you can tell he's been using by his body change..looks like gyno is starting on him a little bit already smh....all that talent. he don't need em n still takes em..f idiot
yea kind of how if you commit a crime and you pay for it. you cant be charged for the same crime. i dont see why is that such a hard concept for ppl to grasp?
@@yushublack yeah but lets say you serve 2 years jail for drug dealing. You come out and have a pound of old coke in your apartment. When they catch you is it fine now or not? Because thats what happend. If you get in a car and you have alcohol in your blood, even if you say" i drank last week" it does not matter its in your system you not allowed to drive end of story.
Mr Trenabolin you’ve got it backwards. you can only micro dose things which are already produced in your body, that way your body knows what to do with that tiny amount. Jon Jones would have no benefit from micro dosing oral turinabol (vanity drug) because it is not produced by the human body.
199X Man that’s exactly what I said bro lol you micro dose natural produced hormones bc there is more leeway in standards for amounts in the blood. And yea bro only an idiot would micro dose turinabol.
If the fighters are still failing drug tests after they've been punished, that means the suspension time isn't long enough. If I'm to take the UFC's word for why they don't want fighters using PED's, it doesn't really matter when they ingested them. The steroids are in the body giving the fighter an advantage. How much of an advantage? Irrelevant. If we're debating how much of an advantage, it's still an advantage. The only way to solve this problem is 0 tolerance. If the steroids are in the system, the fighter cannot fight. Or, just let fighters compete with steroids. This lukewarm , middle of the road bullshit is annoying everybody, because some fighters clearly get special treatment.
It’s insane man. All these new rules on jons behalf. So every other fighter who wasn’t number 1 in the world just got screwed but bc jons champ we are gonna create new science to argue on his behalf ?
The rest of the time triple j, John “juice” Jones , was hiding under gyms lol and yes comier is the best Jones has faced mam lol nice bs dribble though fan girl lol
Apparently nobody knows where that line should be.I don’t think there is any serious long term “data” at this point for this issue but I agree Jon will most definitely be and is the experiment for data collection.
He's not playing the system, he's to stupid for that. Deals are being made between ufc and usada, and that's why Dana was so quick to tell Jon to shut up at the presser.
Darchenko maybe he is stupid but Dana and USADA weren’t always on his side, he’s a sociopath and he got them on his side somehow. Dana realizes what a big draw Jones is and Dana sure loves it when people kiss his ass.
Squid Im confused by Chael P, biology, physics, physiology,chemistry are all science. Science is proven analysis through experimentation and actual hard data. All science isn't junk science it's man's interpretation and manipulation of scientific fact that's the junk.
^ So true. As a professor once told me, it’s all about how you craft your story using the data. There are teams of scientists who have have managed to come up with contradictory conclusions using the same data just because they presented it in a different context
@@Danishruyu1 - I know what you are saying and can relate to it. In university, I chose sociology as my major because I could mostly write papers and avoid exams and tests. In that field, you can essentially claim anything and write lengthy, in depth research papers on it, just as long as you have research, data and claims to support it. It doesn't make it true. But as long as your thesis can be backed up by some type of type of argument with data, you can write about it and get a passing grade. I am writing this to support what you said about legit scientists coming up with contradicting results and conclusions. You could claim that the moon is purple, as long as your arguments supporting it. It could be that if you shone a light at the moon at an exact angle..on a certain day at a certain time... You can argue that and have it be considered a legitimate paper. ...By the way Chael P. Sonnen also has a BA in sociology if I remember correctly. Great minds think alike! hehehe
The tennis player you speak of is Maria Sharapova, and it didn't end her career nor is she retired. She just competed in the Australian Open last week.
Maria Sharapova actually took the drug after it was banned but her argument was that she shouldn't be punished because she knew the drug by a different name.
All right, Chael, I honestly want to become a scientist, particularly a physicist. In fact, I've been interested in science for as long as I can remember, I became fixated on physics when I was about 11 years old, and I am now pursuing my physics major. People interested in science certainly aren't common, especially from a young age, but we do exist. Also, for what it's worth, I agree that science is not absolute, and anyone that has even the slightest understanding of science should be able to tell you that. However, the point of science is to be as accurate as possible in its representation of reality *at least according to our current knowledge thereof as revealed to us through experimentation.*
Do you think he doesn't really know whats hes saying ? like he might mean that there are no such thing as scientists in the PED analysis industry ? If not hes just being dumb as fuck , probably based on the fact that he went and did something that most intelligent people would advise against i.e your going to see a lot of scientist doing it.
Worse, his understanding is incredibly far off. Science doesn't just drastically change. It typically just becomes more accurate. Look at the jump from Newtonian physics to our current understanding of physics that requires relativity at incredible masses and quantum mechanics at the atomic level. Newtonian physics is still great for most physical problems your average human will encounter. There are edge cases that were worked out as we understood more. But also... MMA fans and people who know scientists or are involved in sciences makes for a pretty small cross section.
There is only one man in entire sport of mma that can talk about story for 27 min t and then say I don't have a opinion for you . 😂 And I will still visit his RUclips channel to see next video .
He basically went from 60 picograms 2 weeks before the fight , then 0 picograms 1 week before, and then just before the fight hes at 30 picograms. Jon Jones is definitely pico-dosing PED's. It obvious at this point.
@@livefree1030 Do you not understand that its impossible to do that? It's literally and genuinely not possible. You need to look into what you're talking about because you know absolutely nothing sweetheart.
so i have 2 relatively uninformed observations. 1. either jon jones took such a gigantic dose of steroids that he still has it in his system, and in the gesture of foul play shouldnt be granted a fight till he come up clean on multiple tests. 2. jon is lying and is micro dosing just enough to keep in that grey area. however i dont know the efficacy of that, but how come no other athletes were "pulsing" like jon was once usada came in. jon wasnt the only fighter taking turinabol but is the only fighter to still have it in his system.
Lol just ignore thw explanations given to u...why is what keff novorksy said not a possibility? Because u are a hater? Because u WANT him to be a cheater somehow?
@@Junior128100 and? so maybe he took a zip of the wrong protein shake bottle one day? your arguments york against u. people just want him to be a cheater, look at them comments. everyone ognores the explanations given to them, and makes up his own
@@backbone93 Maybe because there seems to be no end to the list of explanations, dickpills, tainted supplements, bad luck, gods plan for me to be positive. Why would you believe an admitted liar and drug user. example, Jones bold face told Helwani on camera he is not the kind of guy who would take cocaine, next thing you know he is bragging that he beat people coming off cocaine benders.
I just played UFC 3, four times in a row. I picked you Cheal and fought Jon Jones on legend difficulty level as I always do . And i gotta say ... I“ll never fucking pick you again.
The comments about science and scientists are misleading at best and terribly ill-informed at worst. No one identifies as a "scientist" because there are so many branches of science. There are thousands of people who identify as mechanical engineers, biologists, research chemists, aeronautical designers, architects, computer hardware engineers, zoologists, just to give a few examples of jobs or job titles that explicitly describe a branch of science and are jobs that are directly related to, and use various scientific methods. The point of science, in fact it's very definition, is that is a method of researching and learning knowledge by the evaluation of evidence, the application of logical and rational thought, and the constant demand to support any statement with evidence to demonstrate it's veracity. Science is simply the best way humanity has found to describe how the universe works, and a lot of the stuff in it, including us. Science does not, has not, and will never make the claim that it knows everything, or that anything currently held as a theory, is not subject to change based on new evidence to the contrary. What you are describing is are methods developed using scientific techniques, without pointing out the human factor where we make errors, assuming that because the word science is used it automatically means accurate. If the scientific method is applied rigorously, accurately and without bias, it achieves results. What you are talking about is academic politics surround publishing results, and some "scientific" methods being kept behind closed doors because of patent laws, and are therefore no open to public scrutiny. I was agreeing with you, until this idiotic diatribe about science. Science isn't right or wrong, science is a method for determining if something is factually correct or incorrect, nothing more or less.
Well I've worked in Government and we definitely had scientists. They are called Scientific Officers and Scientific Technical Officers and they do research and write papers and reports all day long, 5 days a week, 35 hours a week. They are paid up to $85,000 a year at the highest levels. They usually work with teams of PhD graduate researchers who are paid at a lower scale. Still love my man Chael and do not care when he is flat out making things up.
Unfortunately, that is largely true. I wish, however, that he’d refrain from bragging about the negative tests that seem to be popping up intermittently.
I think they can detect WAY more than even a year ago, and they're not detecting Turinabol, they're detecting a trace amount of a long term metabolite from the breakdown of long ago ingested Turinabol...
“How do 3 agencies test him on the same night and 2 of them missed it?” The VADA test explains a lot, especially considering that Jon and his team declined to take it voluntarily when the committee requested that he submit himself to the testing during the licensing hearing. At this point, you just have to be an educated fan, and take the UFC for what it is. There are some excellent clean fighters, but at the end of the day, business will always take precedence.
The player was Maria Sharapova, and she was abusing a drug that she (and the Russians generally) thought they could get away with. Yes, it's legal in Eastern Europe, but the symptoms it's legitimately given for would have ruled out high level athletics. No way she was both winning AND in authentic need for that med. Just no. It's like giving red blood cells - sure, someone with anemia may have a legitimate need for the therapy, but in an athlete it's called blood doping and is correctly banned. She knew that she was getting at least a one year suspension because she didn't dispute that she'd used it after it had been put on the banned list, the two year suspension she appealed. No retroactive ban was applied, she was using before the ban but she was suspended because she still took it after. She earned the end of her career all by herself.
Hmm I wonder if getting popped for something on purpose and then directly after just slamming the same substance and working out like crazy would be the move to cheat.
Little Uzi that'd be detected as a short term metabolite and Jones would be punished. This is a trace of a substance that was detected already and Jon was suspended for it months ago
If you stop taking it on the spot due to the rule change, you should be clean, no penalty, case closed. Or at least wait until that substance leaves the system before you are compete.
I love when Chael acts like he’s searching for an example of a steroid user in his conversations... gee let me think, who else could I use that’s popped!? Hmmm...
Bruh. Just because kids who grew up with you in rural Oregon didn't end up becoming scientists doesn't mean they don't exists.. Just because you're a 40 year old who has spent his life surrounded by "meatheads" and hasn't met a scientist doesn't mean they don't exist.. Look up a science conference in your city and attend it. Congratulations, you have now met scientists. I understand that the point you are making is regarding drug testing related science. Don't confuse the field of general sciences with the quackery that is USADA testing.
Let me preface this by saying my problem is with Chael saying science is a bogus industry and the term scientists is bogus. Chael loses people when he claims this. When he says, "no one else will know, if the six of us come together and make a science club, we can come out with whatever we want". While that may be true within the "scientific" realm of drug testing, that is far from the truth outside that field. Don't confuse the term scientist with expert. Don't confuse usada charlatans with scientists. Scientists are known as those who conduct scientific research. Absolutely, some of that research is junk. (*cough* drug testing research) But the great thing about the science industry at large is that charlatans are found out and they are proven, through cold hard facts, to be wrong. Hopefully one day the drug testing scientific community can get to that point. I can see where Chael is coming from. He has experienced the "science" behind drug testing his whole life, he's even been burned by it, and it is easy to see that he has also become jaded towards it. Here is the problem with Chael's argument about Scientists. He says calling yourself a scientist is self proclaimed. He's right. He says there is no degree you have to obtain to call yourself a scientist. That's another fair point, but I would also say good luck being a scientist without a degree, and not end up shunned by the scientific community and therefore the losing the credibility of your claim. He talks about how other titles have more requirements. You can get a title such as M.D. through formal education. Formal education is regulated by a select group of people defining what makes you qualified or not: what equations you have memorized, how diligently you did your homework, how well you did on tests, what your GPA ended up as. I have no qualms with that. In contrast, the field of science is self regulating. There is no school handing you a piece of paper saying you are qualified. Your peers and Nature itself tests you. Nature itself shows you, through your scientific research and experiments whether you are qualified in that field. Additionally, your peers research contends with yours, usually in peer reviewed scientific journals. Ultimately, the most evident truth prevails. Yes, some of the science is bogus. But that gets weeded out. Just as bad doctors are weeded out through malpractice suits. Just look at the tech around you to see that this self regulating property of science and the scientists within it is a very concrete concept and shows the field is the complete opposite of bogus. There are crank scientists just like there are crank doctors. There is bad science just like there is bad medicine practice. After maturation most scientific fields have become well oiled machines that refute shoddy theories & research while shining a light on theories that might lead to a more collective understanding of the truth of the universe. I will say fair point to him, it seems the scientific field surrounding drug research hasn't got there yet. But he shouldn't talk in generalities about the entire scientific community. The reason he gets such backlash when he attacks the field of science and the term scientist is because he is attacking something centuries old that has become a self regulating well proven institution, and his position completely discounts that. I think he should just stick to using the word Expert. TLDR: Short analogy. Just because there are fighters out there who practice one touch death punch or other ridiculous stuff doesn't mean the entire field of fighting is bogus right? The title fighter doesn't become bogus. You can still call on a fighter with credibility to use as an 'expert' when talking about fighting technique. Just because there are scientists who practice shoddy research doesn't mean the entire field of science is bogus. The title scientist doesn't become bogus. You can still call on a scientist with credibility to use as an 'expert' to talk about scientific results. Chael needs to be more careful with his words. Don't speak in such sweeping generalities about science and scientists. He says "If there's no defense then guess who wins. the only one with an offense." That is not science. Science is a system of testing the behavior of nature within a field of study. What he is talking about sounds like guys making shit up because there is no one that will test there claims. Chael is talking about charlatans, and it appears the UFC doping scientific community is full of them.
My guess on the substantive assistance he provided USADA is that he came clean on his turinabol cycle timeline and they are now using him as a study subject.
WWE is theater, not competition. The reason people dont like Jones' steroid use is because it gives him an unfair advantage which doesnt happen in WWE because it is scripted.
WWE is theater, not competition. The reason people dont like Jones' steroid use is because it gives him an unfair advantage which doesnt happen in WWE because it is scripted.
@@geade6329: Look I use to watch WWF as a kid during the Stone Cold days but him hitting his wife has what to do with, theater? Yet the fans still cheer for him. Ric Flair flashing his genitals atfemale flight attendants has what to do with, theater? Yet the fans love him. I could go on n on. If you like pro wrestling hey that's fine but separate the two cause they're one of the worse mma fans imo
@@jeffjames9568: That's not true they knew Lesnar was on the juice during UFC 200. Ppl act like Jones is the only great to take something. Do I need to list every great who hasn't been called out nearly as much as Jones has?
@@stonecold316339 actually i dont even watch wwe, i never have, why are you telling me all these? It is completely unrelated with your or mine orginal comment. I just provided an explaination for your precieved injustice. Also if you didnt like the word theather, you can try "circus".
I hate how people don't think he's taking shit and flushing it out of his system, there's no reason to think there's not a new faster way to flush it out of your system.
It’s because the golden snitch explained it on Joe Rogan’s podcast it’s a simple as Jon Jones is a snitch. And he ratted out some people so his sentence got reduced significantly. To the point where he’s probably an asset now🤔 And do you really think at the end of the year UFC gonna lose potential millions because they didn’t get a PPV event before the years end?? Who else would be perfect other then Jon Jones who attracts big PPV buys? Conner The double Champ obviously.
That irish drunket is really still running around with those two belts, khabib should look him up, wipe the floor with him, AGAIN, and take one of the belts off him , off to "pawn stars" and donate the money for something. one question tough, have you ever seen anybody ,who lost a title in a fight or was stripped of the title, running around with the belt, although they all physically still have the belt at home . Anyone in any combat sport?
“Water is wet, fire burns, and Jon Jones microdoses steroids for fights” - GSP
he used it way before the fight to gain muscle probably-.-
you can tell he's been using by his body change..looks like gyno is starting on him a little bit already smh....all that talent. he don't need em n still takes em..f idiot
You don’t microdose turinabol. They’ve explained why several tines, yet people keep bringing this up...
@@CheeseSpliffs, maybe they bring it up because Jon Picobones Jones keeps failing drug tests ? Idk , just a guess ...
S Saxman you’re not a chemist are you?
So you can fight with the tainted supplement you were suspended for as long as you served the time and paid the fine? Damn USADA
As long as you snitch. Lol
Whether he reinvested or was guilty or not, he still shouldn't have fought or had a lice we for 6 months of clean tests
He didn't serve shit lol
yea kind of how if you commit a crime and you pay for it. you cant be charged for the same crime. i dont see why is that such a hard concept for ppl to grasp?
@@yushublack yeah but lets say you serve 2 years jail for drug dealing. You come out and have a pound of old coke in your apartment. When they catch you is it fine now or not? Because thats what happend.
If you get in a car and you have alcohol in your blood, even if you say" i drank last week" it does not matter its in your system you not allowed to drive end of story.
But we still don't know... Just how good the vodka sauce really is
vodka sauce > marinara
That’s the only question I want answered lol
😂😂😂
There’s one thing that’s no ones taking into account... RULES DON’T APPLY TO THE VODKA SAUCE
Legend has it, if you look in the mirror and say Picoman five times, Jon Jones will appear.
Dolla dolla bills y'all, the only language Dana speaks
Dana is a fuckin grandma name what the hell.
and sweet big lips
C.R.E.A.M.
Dc just officially became best clean 205 champ
206.7 pound champ ! #towelgate
206.2 champ😉
@I plead the 5th shame jon jones tarnished his career. Funny, chael is the voice of reason for drug tests 🤣
Well put, I didn't like DC early on but he won me over eventually. War DC!!!
Natty goat
So he can keep micro dosing without any problem ?
Franz Caseros you don’t micro dose substances which aren’t naturally produced in your body. Just a heads up
Mr Trenabolin you’ve got it backwards. you can only micro dose things which are already produced in your body, that way your body knows what to do with that tiny amount. Jon Jones would have no benefit from micro dosing oral turinabol (vanity drug) because it is not produced by the human body.
Yeah, what the other guy said. It’s not microdosing.
199X Man reread the comment my guy
199X Man that’s exactly what I said bro lol you micro dose natural produced hormones bc there is more leeway in standards for amounts in the blood. And yea bro only an idiot would micro dose turinabol.
If the fighters are still failing drug tests after they've been punished, that means the suspension time isn't long enough. If I'm to take the UFC's word for why they don't want fighters using PED's, it doesn't really matter when they ingested them. The steroids are in the body giving the fighter an advantage. How much of an advantage? Irrelevant. If we're debating how much of an advantage, it's still an advantage. The only way to solve this problem is 0 tolerance. If the steroids are in the system, the fighter cannot fight. Or, just let fighters compete with steroids. This lukewarm , middle of the road bullshit is annoying everybody, because some fighters clearly get special treatment.
Shady Brady well said bro
I said the same thing..just let ppl do them if they want or you have to suspend someone who pisses dirty
couldn’t agree more. the testing is a binary system: either you’re clean or not. it’s not up to debate if you have an advantage or don’t.
True... If you get banned for 16 months but it affects you for 46 months.... It would make sense to be banned for longer.
It’s insane man. All these new rules on jons behalf. So every other fighter who wasn’t number 1 in the world just got screwed but bc jons champ we are gonna create new science to argue on his behalf ?
Maria Sharapova was the tennis player. Banned for Mildronate.
And she came back, not on the same level but still high level.
Matt Jobone Maria indeed. Suspended in 2016.
Damn I should've scrolled further I just commented something similar.
@@diogocmx She did lose a ton of high level sponsors though right? I'm sure she's gotten some back since she started playing again.
@@elsenort3164 Oh yeah. At one time she was FO SURE.
Why has Jon only tested positive for his 2 toughest competitors ?🤔
good point
Born2Gamble123 because he’s a cheater
It's just a coincidence, u know notbing Jon Snow
? Jones has tested positive 6 times, twice before the newer rules when they started testing regularly. I believe the first was for UFC 182.
The rest of the time triple j, John “juice” Jones , was hiding under gyms lol and yes comier is the best Jones has faced mam lol nice bs dribble though fan girl lol
a pico a day keeps the.....
Ss999brandon commission away
Submission in play
Title around your waist. 😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂
Testers at bay
Such a sham. He’s a cheater.
Go ahead and look into your buddy Chael and the times he's tested positive.
@@godricgryffindor5421 Chael's a cheater too. The two scenarios aren't mutually exclusive, brah.
@@godricgryffindor5421 I don't know why you thought that was a valid counter-point
Godric Gryffindor how tf does that change anything
@king Kyrie hahah exactly, has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Jones is a walking experiment. Vegas should have a line on when Jones will finally clear of this long term metabolite.
2 years is my vote
Apparently nobody knows where that line should be.I don’t think there is any serious long term “data” at this point for this issue but I agree Jon will most definitely be and is the experiment for data collection.
day after he retires suddenly no more negatives lol
I saw "line" and "Jones" in the same sentence and I just assumed.
They did have a line on it. When Jones heard he turned up with a rolled up $20 note to sniff it
You can call me mystic crack because I inject these tings! - Jon ‘picogram’ Jones
Best comment of all time lol
Hahaha
29 minutes! I’m so happy 😩😩😩. It’s like when Chael won the world title against Anderson twice all over again
Jon is playing the system 😂
And winning...
Team Dagger haha can’t deny that one.
Team Dagger
But you can’t win by cheating. Tainted legacy, no more credibility, = DC was right.
He's not playing the system, he's to stupid for that. Deals are being made between ufc and usada, and that's why Dana was so quick to tell Jon to shut up at the presser.
Darchenko maybe he is stupid but Dana and USADA weren’t always on his side, he’s a sociopath and he got them on his side somehow. Dana realizes what a big draw Jones is and Dana sure loves it when people kiss his ass.
When the BIGGEST ARM IN WEST LINN SAID IT WAS!
DC called it he's just allowed to have roids in his system from now on
No one talks about the fact both of brothers from the NFL were caught cheating. That doesnt prove Jon cheats too but c'mon.
They have the same coke dealer
taking dickpills together obviously
I agree but birds of a feather flock together
Tito tapped!!!!!!!
lmao who u goin with for the rematch?
📠
Physically AND verbally!!!
Jon Jones is basically clean. He's on a heavy Pico De Gallo diet!
I saw this comment on Instagram
Kevin Hernandez or pico de steroids lol
i love how chael goes on a rant about science being unreliable then uses science to say jones is innocent
Squid Im confused by Chael P, biology, physics, physiology,chemistry are all science. Science is proven analysis through experimentation and actual hard data. All science isn't junk science it's man's interpretation and manipulation of scientific fact that's the junk.
^ So true. As a professor once told me, it’s all about how you craft your story using the data. There are teams of scientists who have have managed to come up with contradictory conclusions using the same data just because they presented it in a different context
@@Danishruyu1 - I know what you are saying and can relate to it. In university, I chose sociology as my major because I could mostly write papers and avoid exams and tests. In that field, you can essentially claim anything and write lengthy, in depth research papers on it, just as long as you have research, data and claims to support it. It doesn't make it true. But as long as your thesis can be backed up by some type of type of argument with data, you can write about it and get a passing grade. I am writing this to support what you said about legit scientists coming up with contradicting results and conclusions. You could claim that the moon is purple, as long as your arguments supporting it. It could be that if you shone a light at the moon at an exact angle..on a certain day at a certain time... You can argue that and have it be considered a legitimate paper.
...By the way Chael P. Sonnen also has a BA in sociology if I remember correctly. Great minds think alike! hehehe
Because jones agreed to be a snitch Duhhhhh!!!
🤣 the point everyone forgets
@@UnsanctionedTV_ exactly
I'd like to know what cooperation he's provided so far, who's back he placed a knife in...
Dark, IKR? They CANT suspend him, he already gave them the goods, now theyre stuck holding up their end
I don't believe that I think that was just a cover story to have an excuse to cut his suspension short in the first place.
Mixed mollywhopper did a fantastic video called Jon jones and the Pringles defense. Everybody should watch it!
def a good channel
xJester23 best & most quality mma channel our rn
Great video and makes interesting points on this issue of Picograms
All based on shit science with a sample of 1. Cover up by UFC. Jones on or off shit is still the best but can never be a goat. Shame
Once you pop you can’t stop
*Love these long episodes* ✅😁
Me to bro!
I like to think Chael listened to The Scientist by Coldplay on repeat for hours and hours before this was shot
Every time Jon fights, Vegas should make an over/under of if he's gonna pop for steroids and how much he'll pop for.
The tennis player you speak of is Maria Sharapova, and it didn't end her career nor is she retired. She just competed in the Australian Open last week.
Maria Sharapova actually took the drug after it was banned but her argument was that she shouldn't be punished because she knew the drug by a different name.
“Do you call it news?”
Most real statement I’ve heard Chael say. Lol
All right, Chael, I honestly want to become a scientist, particularly a physicist. In fact, I've been interested in science for as long as I can remember, I became fixated on physics when I was about 11 years old, and I am now pursuing my physics major. People interested in science certainly aren't common, especially from a young age, but we do exist. Also, for what it's worth, I agree that science is not absolute, and anyone that has even the slightest understanding of science should be able to tell you that. However, the point of science is to be as accurate as possible in its representation of reality *at least according to our current knowledge thereof as revealed to us through experimentation.*
Good answer
Do you think he doesn't really know whats hes saying ? like he might mean that there are no such thing as scientists in the PED analysis industry ? If not hes just being dumb as fuck , probably based on the fact that he went and did something that most intelligent people would advise against i.e your going to see a lot of scientist doing it.
Worse, his understanding is incredibly far off. Science doesn't just drastically change. It typically just becomes more accurate. Look at the jump from Newtonian physics to our current understanding of physics that requires relativity at incredible masses and quantum mechanics at the atomic level. Newtonian physics is still great for most physical problems your average human will encounter. There are edge cases that were worked out as we understood more.
But also... MMA fans and people who know scientists or are involved in sciences makes for a pretty small cross section.
The question still remains, how Good is jon Jones cell skills ?
But where do picograms fit into all of this?
There is only one man in entire sport of mma that can talk about story for 27 min t and then say I don't have a opinion for you . 😂
And I will still visit his RUclips channel to see next video .
When Chael when on his scientist rant, my dad yelled from the next room "hey! Tell that fool I'm a scientist! Who is that Colin cowherd?"
No scientist would ever say anything is absolute?
The comment section on Chaels videos are always gold
Indeed, .... and I don't even know why !!!! , that's why it's so funny! LOL! that's the only reason I'm here .
So I guess he could technically keep taking microdoses, keep poppn dirty and keep getting a pass...smh...unreal
He basically went from 60 picograms 2 weeks before the fight , then 0 picograms 1 week before, and then just before the fight hes at 30 picograms.
Jon Jones is definitely pico-dosing PED's. It obvious at this point.
@@livefree1030 Do you not understand that its impossible to do that? It's literally and genuinely not possible. You need to look into what you're talking about because you know absolutely nothing sweetheart.
Kno Name777 did you even watch t he video😂 he’s not microdosing
Your logic is flawed. You can’t microdose a substance foreign to the body for any type of benefit. Secondly, you also can’t microdose a metabolite.
I see why you would be led to think that, but I assure you, insofar as the agencies are not lying to us, that is not what’s occurring right now.
"Oh you're a PhD candidate? My uncle Chael told me those are fake doctors".
A Olympic pool of steroids in a picrogram.
so i have 2 relatively uninformed observations.
1. either jon jones took such a gigantic dose of steroids that he still has it in his system, and in the gesture of foul play shouldnt be granted a fight till he come up clean on multiple tests.
2. jon is lying and is micro dosing just enough to keep in that grey area. however i dont know the efficacy of that, but how come no other athletes were "pulsing" like jon was once usada came in. jon wasnt the only fighter taking turinabol but is the only fighter to still have it in his system.
Lol just ignore thw explanations given to u...why is what keff novorksy said not a possibility?
Because u are a hater? Because u WANT him to be a cheater somehow?
@@backbone93 - Remember that his brother got caught by the NFL for PEDs.
@@Junior128100 and? so maybe he took a zip of the wrong protein shake bottle one day?
your arguments york against u.
people just want him to be a cheater, look at them comments. everyone ognores the explanations given to them, and makes up his own
@@backbone93 Maybe because there seems to be no end to the list of explanations, dickpills, tainted supplements, bad luck, gods plan for me to be positive.
Why would you believe an admitted liar and drug user. example, Jones bold face told Helwani on camera he is not the kind of guy who would take cocaine, next thing you know he is bragging that he beat people coming off cocaine benders.
Pedro Tavarez cmon the guy is cheating it don’t take a rocket scientist... the shit staying in you for years give me a fucking break
Amanda KOed Wandarley
How does Kevin Lee fit into all of this though?
@@leetheflea4096 ToRbY fUnGuSmOn iS tHe TyPe oF gUy tO dO a nIcE tHiNg tHaT nIcE pEoPlE wOuLd dO!!1
r/boneappletea
funny but let's not be disrespectful.
Does Chael have a podcast? I love hearing this man breakdown these situations.
if it was anyone else than jones, dana would freak out.
Or McGregor
Imagine if it was Woodley? Cejudo? Whittaker? Dana would through them under the bus and they would never fight again.
@@yourdaddy.956 yup
@@ksedillo2233 not mcgaggor though
@@yourdaddy.956 Exactly Connor could've almost killed someone
I just played UFC 3, four times in a row.
I picked you Cheal and fought Jon Jones on legend difficulty level as I always do . And i gotta say ... I“ll never fucking pick you again.
Jon jones should NOT be punished as he did not reinject but he should NOT be able to fight with steroid residues in his body.
He's dirty. He's dosing.
Imagine if Tyrone Woodley tested for these picograms or whatever it is. His ass would be gone so fast.
The comments about science and scientists are misleading at best and terribly ill-informed at worst.
No one identifies as a "scientist" because there are so many branches of science. There are thousands of people who identify as mechanical engineers, biologists, research chemists, aeronautical designers, architects, computer hardware engineers, zoologists, just to give a few examples of jobs or job titles that explicitly describe a branch of science and are jobs that are directly related to, and use various scientific methods.
The point of science, in fact it's very definition, is that is a method of researching and learning knowledge by the evaluation of evidence, the application of logical and rational thought, and the constant demand to support any statement with evidence to demonstrate it's veracity.
Science is simply the best way humanity has found to describe how the universe works, and a lot of the stuff in it, including us. Science does not, has not, and will never make the claim that it knows everything, or that anything currently held as a theory, is not subject to change based on new evidence to the contrary.
What you are describing is are methods developed using scientific techniques, without pointing out the human factor where we make errors, assuming that because the word science is used it automatically means accurate. If the scientific method is applied rigorously, accurately and without bias, it achieves results. What you are talking about is academic politics surround publishing results, and some "scientific" methods being kept behind closed doors because of patent laws, and are therefore no open to public scrutiny.
I was agreeing with you, until this idiotic diatribe about science. Science isn't right or wrong, science is a method for determining if something is factually correct or incorrect, nothing more or less.
Well I've worked in Government and we definitely had scientists. They are called Scientific Officers and Scientific Technical Officers and they do research and write papers and reports all day long, 5 days a week, 35 hours a week. They are paid up to $85,000 a year at the highest levels. They usually work with teams of PhD graduate researchers who are paid at a lower scale. Still love my man Chael and do not care when he is flat out making things up.
So now its "expected" for Jones to fail drug tests....🤔
Unfortunately, that is largely true. I wish, however, that he’d refrain from bragging about the negative tests that seem to be popping up intermittently.
How do you still not get that it's impossible for him to be testing positive for stuff he took a year and a half ago?
*they're lying to you!*
I think they can detect WAY more than even a year ago, and they're not detecting Turinabol, they're detecting a trace amount of a long term metabolite from the breakdown of long ago ingested Turinabol...
Damn at this point Jon can just do anything
Opening is gold! "I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU CALL IT NEWS"!? Unforgivable, poweful Chael Sonnen!
The Picogram man
Hes the only fighter with pickle grams showing up every fight, just ban him.
The anti-scientist rant was unexpected, but funny. Even though lots of my family are in the sciences...
Chael doesn't understand academia. It was kindda cringey, but funny.
“How do 3 agencies test him on the same night and 2 of them missed it?” The VADA test explains a lot, especially considering that Jon and his team declined to take it voluntarily when the committee requested that he submit himself to the testing during the licensing hearing. At this point, you just have to be an educated fan, and take the UFC for what it is. There are some excellent clean fighters, but at the end of the day, business will always take precedence.
I would KO jon
You're a post Nunes, Ronda
Tom Killins she would’ve beaten Cain Velasquez.
@@RAGE-OF-SPARTA-X just not Holly though huh ? Lol 😂
Try pulling his bullshit excuse with a court if you were on probation.
home run brother
Thank you Chael for bringing this to light.
How much is in your system? Pic......IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MUCH IS IN YOUR SYSTEM
I dont really like Chael, but I could listen to that man for days...his choice of words is extraordinary :)
The player was Maria Sharapova, and she was abusing a drug that she (and the Russians generally) thought they could get away with. Yes, it's legal in Eastern Europe, but the symptoms it's legitimately given for would have ruled out high level athletics. No way she was both winning AND in authentic need for that med. Just no. It's like giving red blood cells - sure, someone with anemia may have a legitimate need for the therapy, but in an athlete it's called blood doping and is correctly banned. She knew that she was getting at least a one year suspension because she didn't dispute that she'd used it after it had been put on the banned list, the two year suspension she appealed. No retroactive ban was applied, she was using before the ban but she was suspended because she still took it after. She earned the end of her career all by herself.
Boy.. do I Love Uncle Chael! One of the greats I listen to when it comes to MMA.
They should do the right thing and strip him of the belt give it to Gus and move on 😎 but thats just me
Willz Tal DC* let the natty goat reign supreme
Fuck Gus he sucks
Has the concentration of the test been released? I'd be interested to know if the concentration is holding steady or fluctuating.
Hey..Jon Jones...next week I am gonna take a drug test...Hey if you don't mind...Would you pass my test for me....😉😉 thanks pal..
😂😂😂😅
Riveting topic. Such nail biting details. I'm on the edge of my seat with anticipation of the outcome.
Pulsagram Jones drowning in the pool
Jon is the only dude in sports history to brag about a clean test lol
I have much more of a problem with jon jones competing then greg hardy !!
Question Chael: how extensive were the tests when that rule was conceived?
Hmm I wonder if getting popped for something on purpose and then directly after just slamming the same substance and working out like crazy would be the move to cheat.
Little Uzi that'd be detected as a short term metabolite and Jones would be punished. This is a trace of a substance that was detected already and Jon was suspended for it months ago
Chael has some serious skills in breaking this shit down.
If you stop taking it on the spot due to the rule change, you should be clean, no penalty, case closed. Or at least wait until that substance leaves the system before you are compete.
Ur not gonna give the best fighter in the UFC a 7 year ban if it is a 7 year metabolite
@@kyleelpel9402 If you want to be taken seriously as a competitive sport, you have to.
The limited science says Its a40-50 day maximum time limit. Anything else is from fresh intake
@@kyleelpel9402 no steroid stays in your system for 7 years
yea great whats a good website to order gear from?
Chapel explains climate change scientists 😋
I love when Chael acts like he’s searching for an example of a steroid user in his conversations... gee let me think, who else could I use that’s popped!? Hmmm...
😂😂😂😂 right like he dont know
It feels disgusting. I find myself avoid watching UFC because of it.
zcribe What a bitch
Something people aren’t getting is that it’s 1 picogram in 1 mL meaning that he has a shit ton more than one picogram in his system.
Bruh. Just because kids who grew up with you in rural Oregon didn't end up becoming scientists doesn't mean they don't exists.. Just because you're a 40 year old who has spent his life surrounded by "meatheads" and hasn't met a scientist doesn't mean they don't exist.. Look up a science conference in your city and attend it. Congratulations, you have now met scientists. I understand that the point you are making is regarding drug testing related science. Don't confuse the field of general sciences with the quackery that is USADA testing.
24:40. Watch his whole video before arrogantly commenting, damn.
Rural Oregon? Go study a map.
Let me preface this by saying my problem is with Chael saying science is a bogus industry and the term scientists is bogus. Chael loses people when he claims this. When he says, "no one else will know, if the six of us come together and make a science club, we can come out with whatever we want". While that may be true within the "scientific" realm of drug testing, that is far from the truth outside that field. Don't confuse the term scientist with expert. Don't confuse usada charlatans with scientists. Scientists are known as those who conduct scientific research. Absolutely, some of that research is junk. (*cough* drug testing research) But the great thing about the science industry at large is that charlatans are found out and they are proven, through cold hard facts, to be wrong. Hopefully one day the drug testing scientific community can get to that point.
I can see where Chael is coming from. He has experienced the "science" behind drug testing his whole life, he's even been burned by it, and it is easy to see that he has also become jaded towards it.
Here is the problem with Chael's argument about Scientists. He says calling yourself a scientist is self proclaimed. He's right. He says there is no degree you have to obtain to call yourself a scientist. That's another fair point, but I would also say good luck being a scientist without a degree, and not end up shunned by the scientific community and therefore the losing the credibility of your claim. He talks about how other titles have more requirements. You can get a title such as M.D. through formal education. Formal education is regulated by a select group of people defining what makes you qualified or not: what equations you have memorized, how diligently you did your homework, how well you did on tests, what your GPA ended up as. I have no qualms with that. In contrast, the field of science is self regulating. There is no school handing you a piece of paper saying you are qualified. Your peers and Nature itself tests you. Nature itself shows you, through your scientific research and experiments whether you are qualified in that field. Additionally, your peers research contends with yours, usually in peer reviewed scientific journals. Ultimately, the most evident truth prevails. Yes, some of the science is bogus. But that gets weeded out. Just as bad doctors are weeded out through malpractice suits. Just look at the tech around you to see that this self regulating property of science and the scientists within it is a very concrete concept and shows the field is the complete opposite of bogus.
There are crank scientists just like there are crank doctors. There is bad science just like there is bad medicine practice.
After maturation most scientific fields have become well oiled machines that refute shoddy theories & research while shining a light on theories that might lead to a more collective understanding of the truth of the universe. I will say fair point to him, it seems the scientific field surrounding drug research hasn't got there yet. But he shouldn't talk in generalities about the entire scientific community. The reason he gets such backlash when he attacks the field of science and the term scientist is because he is attacking something centuries old that has become a self regulating well proven institution, and his position completely discounts that.
I think he should just stick to using the word Expert.
TLDR:
Short analogy. Just because there are fighters out there who practice one touch death punch or other ridiculous stuff doesn't mean the entire field of fighting is bogus right? The title fighter doesn't become bogus. You can still call on a fighter with credibility to use as an 'expert' when talking about fighting technique. Just because there are scientists who practice shoddy research doesn't mean the entire field of science is bogus. The title scientist doesn't become bogus. You can still call on a scientist with credibility to use as an 'expert' to talk about scientific results.
Chael needs to be more careful with his words. Don't speak in such sweeping generalities about science and scientists. He says "If there's no defense then guess who wins. the only one with an offense." That is not science. Science is a system of testing the behavior of nature within a field of study. What he is talking about sounds like guys making shit up because there is no one that will test there claims. Chael is talking about charlatans, and it appears the UFC doping scientific community is full of them.
My guess on the substantive assistance he provided USADA is that he came clean on his turinabol cycle timeline and they are now using him as a study subject.
Guess we can only hope... Smith beats a microsoder...
Driver’s seat Chael is still the best Chael.
Pro wrestling fans hate Jones for taking steroids yet cheer for juiced up steroid cheats in WWE
WWE is theater, not competition. The reason people dont like Jones' steroid use is because it gives him an unfair advantage which doesnt happen in WWE because it is scripted.
WWE is theater, not competition. The reason people dont like Jones' steroid use is because it gives him an unfair advantage which doesnt happen in WWE because it is scripted.
@@geade6329: Look I use to watch WWF as a kid during the Stone Cold days but him hitting his wife has what to do with, theater? Yet the fans still cheer for him.
Ric Flair flashing his genitals atfemale flight attendants has what to do with, theater? Yet the fans love him. I could go on n on. If you like pro wrestling hey that's fine but separate the two cause they're one of the worse mma fans imo
@@jeffjames9568: That's not true they knew Lesnar was on the juice during UFC 200.
Ppl act like Jones is the only great to take something. Do I need to list every great who hasn't been called out nearly as much as Jones has?
@@stonecold316339 actually i dont even watch wwe, i never have, why are you telling me all these? It is completely unrelated with your or mine orginal comment. I just provided an explaination for your precieved injustice. Also if you didnt like the word theather, you can try "circus".
I hate how people don't think he's taking shit and flushing it out of his system, there's no reason to think there's not a new faster way to flush it out of your system.
It’s because the golden snitch explained it on Joe Rogan’s podcast it’s a simple as Jon Jones is a snitch. And he ratted out some people so his sentence got reduced significantly. To the point where he’s probably an asset now🤔 And do you really think at the end of the year UFC gonna lose potential millions because they didn’t get a PPV event before the years end?? Who else would be perfect other then Jon Jones who attracts big PPV buys? Conner The double Champ obviously.
exactly
A champion can only call themselves a champion after one title defence.. Fake double champ
This guy cant vene spell conor smh🤣
That irish drunket is really still running around with those two belts, khabib should look him up, wipe the floor with him, AGAIN, and take one of the belts off him , off to "pawn stars" and donate the money for something.
one question tough, have you ever seen anybody ,who lost a title in a fight or was stripped of the title, running around with the belt, although they all physically still have the belt at home . Anyone in any combat sport?
@@yourdaddy.956 actually he can call him the champ as soon as the judge in the ring raises hes hand.
That camera isn't good enough to capture largest arm in West Linn Oregon .
Cool channel Chael. You always call it like it is. Chael, please film walking about the city. Thank you.
These old episodes are gold!
How does nobody else fail for this kind of stuff?
Shouldn't you be suspended until the banned substance is totally out of your system?
"unless you are clean, you are dirty"
What if your honestly completely clueless? Just a thought.
Might this have to do with the new USADA policy that states they will not report a positive test until they come to a decision on it
This was very insightful
Chael said it perfectly. His coke wasn't tainted (looking at you Joe), his cocktail was tainted.
I've never seen anyone trash "science" with such grace and skill. Keep it up chael.
Not gonna lie...I LOVE it when Chael butchers words like Pressitince and Oxynate. Haha
Pretty sure Sharapova didn't argue that the ped was leaving her system; she argued that she hadn't realised the rule had been changed...
Great video