In the general context of the debate about neurodiversity and depression, especially as someone who is considering suicide/euthanasia this is an important video. I've added this to my autism playlist. Thank you.
Your username reminded me of my little brother, Xeric. Mrninjafish sounds like something my brother would use as a name. It's very cute. He took his life in 2021. I felt compelled to reply to you and just tell you, I hope that you are still here today. And tomorrow. And the next day. And so on. ❤
@@meowinde I get the feeling that the rest of my life isn't going to be good, but I have to carry on for the sake of it. Ultimately I know my life will be a failure if I don't have children but I will have to see it through.
We have to ask: Who does suicide effect most - the person who committed the act or those who knew the person? When they are dead they are gone. We cant approach suicide from a preventative perspective only for the sake of their loved ones. This has to be entirely about the sufferer. Secondly - are we keeping them alive for being alives sake? Its hardly fair to drag out someones pain without any clear sight of them having a life worth pursuing. A life of cope and management of ones constant pain is not a life at all. Just putting in the breaths and heartbeats till ones end makes no sense. The conversation needs to start taking very hard turns as the moral case of sustaining a life for its own sake and nothing else is not going away and ones threshold for pain is finite.
I really doubt that others will understand this take. Human life is held as being more important than anything, and everything. I've only just recently discovered I'm autistic, that the avg life expectancy of autistic people is greatly reduced compared to neuro typicals, and that is because of suicide. I'm not suicidal currently but I have been in the past and everytime I don't ask for help. What's more I'm prepared to lie and say I will ask for help if it's needed and will lie about having a plan. Because if I tell people they will take steps to prevent it. I do feel it is unfair of a certain person in my life telling me that I'm supposed to out live them. Yes they are older than me , but they don't have my problems and they don't really believe in mental illness.
Why shouldn’t our aim be to alleviate suffering so people don’t feel suicidal? Suicidality is something that can be recovered from, many people who previously felt suicidal are able to turn their life around and never be suicidal again and happy that they didn’t go through with it. Also the fact that autistic people are disproportionately affected by this suggests there are factors affecting autistic people more than others, so work should be done to find out how to overcome those factors so that autistic people feel valued by themselves and by society. It’s a shame that we are losing so many people in this way, not something to just accept and get on with. (for context I’m autistic and have previously felt suicidal but rarely do anymore and I’m glad to be alive- what helped me was accepting myself as an autistic person which helped me adapt my life so it worked better for me and stop trying to conform to expectations)
@@Chiffchaff284 We should help ppl, Id never deny that. My point is we need to change the conversation about suicide. There are lives that probably shouldnt be sustained. There arent always answers, pursuing means of treating ppl while they suffer is also a dubious endeavour. Ive had depression all my life, tried absolutely everything. A point is reached where you wonder is this now a life of patience with ones pain til the end? Is that my mission here? Or to wait til some pill or something comes along? Til then just suffer? The conversation about suicide needs to change. Because you found a solution doesnt mean its auniversal outcome for all.
@@michaelshannon9169 thank you for explaining, I do understand a bit more where you’re coming from now you’ve given more context to your position. I agree it is a difficult conversation
Thank you for this in-depth analysis, it speaks to me on a personal level and there is not much (if any) material on this delicate topic.
How can we improve employment and financial security for autistics?
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In the general context of the debate about neurodiversity and depression, especially as someone who is considering suicide/euthanasia this is an important video. I've added this to my autism playlist. Thank you.
Your username reminded me of my little brother, Xeric. Mrninjafish sounds like something my brother would use as a name. It's very cute. He took his life in 2021. I felt compelled to reply to you and just tell you, I hope that you are still here today. And tomorrow. And the next day. And so on. ❤
@@meowinde I get the feeling that the rest of my life isn't going to be good, but I have to carry on for the sake of it. Ultimately I know my life will be a failure if I don't have children but I will have to see it through.
@MrNinjaFish I wrote a long reply but I don't see it anymore
@@meowinde split it into multiple replies
Thank you immensely for this deep dive
Employment... Gig economy and disposableness and ultra competition and instability in job made me .... Yeah ...
We have to ask: Who does suicide effect most - the person who committed the act or those who knew the person? When they are dead they are gone. We cant approach suicide from a preventative perspective only for the sake of their loved ones. This has to be entirely about the sufferer.
Secondly - are we keeping them alive for being alives sake? Its hardly fair to drag out someones pain without any clear sight of them having a life worth pursuing. A life of cope and management of ones constant pain is not a life at all. Just putting in the breaths and heartbeats till ones end makes no sense.
The conversation needs to start taking very hard turns as the moral case of sustaining a life for its own sake and nothing else is not going away and ones threshold for pain is finite.
I really doubt that others will understand this take. Human life is held as being more important than anything, and everything. I've only just recently discovered I'm autistic, that the avg life expectancy of autistic people is greatly reduced compared to neuro typicals, and that is because of suicide.
I'm not suicidal currently but I have been in the past and everytime I don't ask for help. What's more I'm prepared to lie and say I will ask for help if it's needed and will lie about having a plan. Because if I tell people they will take steps to prevent it.
I do feel it is unfair of a certain person in my life telling me that I'm supposed to out live them. Yes they are older than me , but they don't have my problems and they don't really believe in mental illness.
Why shouldn’t our aim be to alleviate suffering so people don’t feel suicidal? Suicidality is something that can be recovered from, many people who previously felt suicidal are able to turn their life around and never be suicidal again and happy that they didn’t go through with it. Also the fact that autistic people are disproportionately affected by this suggests there are factors affecting autistic people more than others, so work should be done to find out how to overcome those factors so that autistic people feel valued by themselves and by society. It’s a shame that we are losing so many people in this way, not something to just accept and get on with. (for context I’m autistic and have previously felt suicidal but rarely do anymore and I’m glad to be alive- what helped me was accepting myself as an autistic person which helped me adapt my life so it worked better for me and stop trying to conform to expectations)
I do feel there is an element of your argument that implies autistic peoples lives aren’t worth anything
@@Chiffchaff284 We should help ppl, Id never deny that. My point is we need to change the conversation about suicide. There are lives that probably shouldnt be sustained. There arent always answers, pursuing means of treating ppl while they suffer is also a dubious endeavour. Ive had depression all my life, tried absolutely everything. A point is reached where you wonder is this now a life of patience with ones pain til the end? Is that my mission here? Or to wait til some pill or something comes along? Til then just suffer? The conversation about suicide needs to change. Because you found a solution doesnt mean its auniversal outcome for all.
@@michaelshannon9169 thank you for explaining, I do understand a bit more where you’re coming from now you’ve given more context to your position. I agree it is a difficult conversation
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