Suicide Squad - Renegade Cut
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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This movie really is at its best with the sound off while an intelligent voiceover analyzes the ways in which it's bad.
lmaooooooo
This movie appeals to the kind of guy that says “women want equality? That means I get to punch them in the face”
But-
Equality tho ?
Equal rights=equal fights 💪💯💪👊👊👊
@@nathanaeljoseph2226 No matter how many random women on the internet you publicly threaten with violence, you'll never get the attention, validation, and love you needed from your mother figure when you were a child. Seek therapy. Work on yourself and your trauma, develop a sense of personal responsibility for your emotional health, and then maybe you won't be so lonely and desperate for negative attention from women that you behave this way.
I love when your teacher voice breaks and you start laughing at how bad things are. Always brings me joy.
"Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" is more on the nose than you're giving it credit for. They chose it because he's Captain Boomerang, and AC/DC are literally the only Australian band that most people have heard of.
No mention on how Jared Leto's "method acting" was extensively used in marketing of the movie?
Is it me or was the film 90% derivative? Deadpool was successful so now Captain Boomerang has a "pink unicorn fetish". Guardians of the Galaxy was successful, so add all the songs. Avengers (among others) had a doomsday portal, so Enchantress has a similar plot contrivance.
And don't get me started on Slipknot. I was so happy to see some Native American representation and then the promos came out and I quickly realized he was likely going to die within five minutes of his appearance or less. Adam Beach's enthusiasm for this film considering how his character is used is... really sad.
Like . . . What does Hollywood have against giving native americans actual roles in their films? Speaking roles with character development? Does someone have a gun to their head to have it never happen? I just want to know.
I was actually looking forward to seeing how Slipknot would be utilised
He would have been better had he just tied a knot and hung himself at least I would get to see his power
There are Native American heroes like Ripclaw from Image comics and Warpath and Forge from Marvel.
Omg, that was the guy from Smoke signals? I had no idea he was in suicide squad!
I think the music chosen was an attempt to emulate Guardians of the Galaxy. It's like after BvS underperformed, they were so desperate to be accepted by the public that they butchered this movie in post to be GOTG.
The guardians parallel is so obious it hurts... :D
But there the music was quite nice and had a point. Overall it was a more coherent mix and not just some songs from the last 50 years
I think the music was added and chosen by the Trailer Park people, since making trailers is their specialty. Choosing music to "thrill" people and to hide flaws in the actual movie footage. It worked on me the first time I saw it and it worked on several of my friends who are music-lovers as well. But it doesn't work on actual movie critics, since they focus on the flaws and aren't easily distracted by music.
But this musical masking only becomes obvious after it stops somewhere in the second act (when the team lands in the City for their mission). From that moment on, only one or two more scenes get a song, all other scenes are only supported by the otherwise forgettable cinema score.
And knowing what WB has been doing, it (as you said) was chosen to "emulate GotG, but make it better". And arguably, they succeeded in that.
Lots of people like the movie, despite it being a train wreck and lots of the songs on this soundtrack ended up becoming hits. New songs like Heathens, Standing in the Rain, Addicted to Pain and Purple Lamborghini all ended up charting (and I have no idea what the back catalog charts did with the older songs).
Yeah, it's a trialer kind thing...
It's not embedded in the scene and people talk over it until there is a "Oh no, (s)he didn't" moment and the music suddenly drops. You do trailers that way but not movies. It's terrible!
GotG embedded the music and SS simply played it over the movie. GotG did it way better and I think it's a strange way to say SS did something better because it had charting songs. All those charting songs where new while all songs on 'Awesome Mix Vol. 1' were recorded between 1967 and 1979 and the compilation charted... big...
It went platinum in the US and didn't have one track on it that wasn't at least 25 years old. It was a decent selection of 12 songs (one of them not used in the movie) and every one of them was well blended in. Suicide Squad has 14 Tracks on the OST release and further 15 tracks used in the movie but not released as part of the soundtrack. It's overkill and not well implemented.
I don't want to take anyones fun away. To like a movie is very subjective thing and can not be explained or denied in a objective fashion. Some movies I really love are trainwrecks concerning plot or structure and I still like them. 'Back to the future' is full of mistakes and logical gaps and people (including me) still love it.
Stating that you or anyone had fun with it is great but not an indicator for quality of a motion picture. Nobody takes your fun away if you liked it, but that doesn't make it a good movie, which it objectively is not.
I personally didn't have fun with Suicide Squad. At all. It didn't make me angry like the trainwreck that is BvS. To me it's just... meh.
Honest Trailer described the sound track as putting your radio on scan mode
"We need a team, that is able to kill a demigod. He bulletproof, can fly, move faster than sound, has lasereyes etc...and thats just one example of the threats they should be able to stop"
"Well I guess I have the perfect combination of people here: dude that can throw boomerangs with a go-pro on it, best sharpshooter on the world, slightly stronger dude with skin problem, swordgirl, dude who can do fire and just a regular scenekid with a bat"
"wow that surely will help against the bulletproof, immortal demigods wont it"
You forgot Slipknot, the man who can climb anything
@@rafaelalmada723 the✨man♂️who😱can climb 🧗 anything 🌇🌠
Another problem with the screenplay is want vs need. Basically, with most screenplays, your protagonist initially wants something but eventually learns what they really need. Think of all those crappy family films where the dad is a workaholic. The movie starts with the dad wanting to make the big business deal or whatever, but eventually learns that he really needs to go to his kid's little league game or whatever. But the problem with Suicide Squad is that the want established for these characters drives them through out the whole movie, without ever learning what they need. Deadshot wants to be with his daughter, gets to be with his daughter. Harley Quinn wants to be with her puddin', gets to be with her puddin'. There is no real arc in their characters. Deadshot in the comics has a daughter, but also has a death wish. What if Deadshot wanted to die on a suicide mission, but then learn he needed to stay alive for his daughter? What if Harley wanted to be with Joker, but then realized she needs to abandon her abusive past and move on with her life?
shadowspider9 In Iron Man, Tony Stark wants to take control of the weapons he's sold, but learn he needs to become the Iron Man. In Guardian of the Galaxy, every member of the team goes along on this mission for their own selfish reasons but learn they need to do the mission for the greater good. In Mad Max: Fury Road, Max wants to survive and be alone, but learns he needs to help Furiosa and reclaim his humanity.
shadowspider9 It's not impossible to write a screenplay where the character has no real arc, like the Big Lebowski or Nightcrawler, but you really have to know what you're doing, and Ayer really didn't this time around.
all the problems with the movie are WB fault, they butchered the movie
yutube jode While much of the blame goes to WB for sure, if you've seen David Ayer's other films, it does share some of the director's short comings, such as the depictions of women and his fetishization of the L.A. crime scene.
Steven Irizarry Yes because he wants to protect Nemo at an overbearing level at the start of the film but learns he needs to accept he can't be there for him all the time and needs to have faith that he can make his own decisions.
Although a cartoon, 2014's Batman: Suicide Squad - Assault on Arkham did a way more coherent and entertaining job.
It really doesn't make any sense for them to send in a mostly non super powered team to handle a big cosmic level threat. Part of the point of the squad in the comics is that they deal with smaller more discreet task like assassinations, sabotage, spying, and other convert missions that the public would never know about, and the film seems to miss that point. Instead of being to sent to deal with some big cosmic level threat, maybe they should have been recruited to take care of something more self contained and not world threatening. It probably wouldn't have saved the movie what with all the its structural issues and many other problems, but at the very least it could have done something semi unique with its story instead of recycling the same beam in the sky, "we gotta save the world" plot.
I prefer the previous animated version of this film called Batman: Arkham Assault.
That was an awesome movie and a better ensemble animated movie.
It was so so good!
You Mean Assult on Arkham? I haven't seen that film but I heard it was good the animated DC films are always better.
Thanks for commenting on the music. The biggest cringe for me was the "we are going to battle in a helicopter therefore we must have a random Vietnam war era song crammed in." bit.
The character introductions remind me of a 15 year olds OC characters being explained before the story is told lol
You made me think of something, Leon: I guess a formula doesn't kill originality because formulas don't come with the answers. You have an unique problem, you can use the same formula and you'll still have to come up with an unique answer (like the unique problem of a horse vs trucks chase scene requiring the unique answer of blowing up a plane first).
Personally, I believe that most of the problems with the film comes from the "top men" at Warner Bros. When I saw the movie, I sensed an abundance of brand management and the use of character recognition.
There's no focus in their story because the film is going down a checklist of Easter Eggs, and the film doesn't actually adapt a story to film. It expects the audience to have already read the comics.
the problem of the film and the whole DCCU is WB who does not trust his own products, they mutilated the movie at last minute and made a totallly incoherent crapfest
It doesn't help that the script was written in just six weeks and was promptly mangled by executive meddling with no proofreading.
Your analysis was pretty much my internal dialogue I had when I seen in the theater.
Drunk Avengers meets Ghostbusters.
They really ruined the movie when they Portrayed Amanda Waller as a cop killer.
Ensemble movies can still work without a clear protagonist and keep a classic structure, just look at The Magnificent Seven, The Great Escape or The Dirty Dozen. That's what this movie was supposed to be, The Dirty Dozen of comic book movies. I don't think we needed separate origin stories, just much better writing and editing. Put the squad against a believable antagonist, like Joker or rioting patients of Arkham, make them actual bad guys, not just heroes constantly talking about how "bad" they are while trying to be edgy, keep a consistent main threat from start to finish and focus on structurally sound character development.
I live in Terrebonne Parish in Louisiana. I never knew there was a super prison for Batman and Flash's rogue galleries
What a fantastic analysis. Thank you so much for articulating every single negative feeling I had towards this movie. I knew I hated it but lacked the intellectual tools to dissect and clarify why. Keep up the great work.
Your review of suicide squad is much better than the actual movie
"This movie is just so stupid"
Enough said.
When this movie 1st came out I thought I was the only one annoyed with what they tried to turn joker and Harley into. Had women and girls out there posting pictures with captions like "Send me a Joker"
" Joker &Harley are relationship goals" 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Her getting out of that ship is a huge moment for the character because she will no longer allow herself to be property or used. That narrative would make 0 sense if they had a lovely, dovey you are my everything relationship...yes they had moments here and there where their ship seemed legit but for the most part Joker doesn't care about absolutely anyone outside himself and Batman.
That part where killer croc puts his hood on kills me everytime
So this whole movie is a movie length music video is what I'm hearing.
If somebody needs to be saved, in a city packed with goons, Snake Plissken is the man you need... even with an explosive in his head
I’m so thankful I’ve NEVER SEEN THIS!!! Wretched! Thank you for your take.
Thank you for addressing the huge tonal shifts, this is the first time I've seen someone mention them. Absolutely jarring.
This has to be one of these videos where Leon Thomas shows an emotional conection to the film, the fact that that emotion is cringe just makes the video better
I love most of the songs used, but they were used wrong most of the time.
I know i have seen this movie but i cant for the life of me rember anything about it....i think i honestly supressed it from my memory
Also having Slipknot be introduced by punching a woman in the face is designed to not have you get mad when they kill him right away.
1 hour and 40 minutes is not the end???? Holy shit. This should be a bustling hustling 90 minute roller coaster ride. Damn.
this movie was doomed to fail from the moment Ayer was given 6 weeks to write the script. why are they even fighting the enchantress? I still don't get what her deal was or what it was she was doing. that doesn't seem very covert, or even like something that would be a bad thing for the government to do that they'd need villains to go do it. I mean seriously, even if Superman is dead, theres a host of other heroes who could deal with a big bad like enchantress. And I agree that they had to introduce all of those characters. You'd think since they love to copy marvel that they'd try to make a ton of money off of solo films and then do the group ensemble. It doesn't help that they shoe horned joker into this, as well chopped up all of the scenes which originally had tons of dialogue, into a hodge podge mess. That alone messed up the tone. I think they went in and tried to make a movie about villains into something light, but it doesn't work, especially since it's clear this movie was written to be dark. It's dark material. It's really unfortunate because the concept itself is great and these are rich and complex characters that they attempted showcase. I don't honestly mind the Harley and joker stuff all that much, because I think there's some interesting stuff to play around with in there to add complexity beyond the joker not giving a crap about Harley. This was an excellent analysis by the way.
no
yutube jode no what?
The Suicide Squad animated movie is very enjoyable. Each character seems important, but also understands that villains are still villains. Also dc universe abridged here on youtube, abridged the movie and there take is also great. Its really sad that people with less resources, less money, and less influence make better movies.
The only part of the movie where I thought, Okay, _this_ is plausible, is that mid-credits scene where she is begging Bruce Wayne to help her cover up her clusterfuck. After a little quid pro quo, Wayne says she should shut it down. Yeah. You don’t need to be the world’s greatest detective to figure that out. The only believable moments are when characters are telling Waller that her task force is probably the _worst_ way to deal with a meta-human threat. For such a resourceful and intelligent crime fighter, Bruce Wayne is very willing to overlook a person like Waller. She has vast power, resources-and catastrophically bad judgment. Even after we made a deal, if I were Batman, I’d still have to find some way to get her fired. With friends like her...
I just wanna say THANK YOU for this video, I almost cried, thank you, now I can just point people to this video when they try defending this waste of film.
Pretty much that, yeah. That being said thou, this has become one of my favourites guilty pleasures/so bad is good movies. Like some people say: "It's like watching a train wreck, you know it's horrible, but it is so hipnotic that you can't really look away."
HOT TOPIC: THE MOVIE
Absolutely spot on analysis; I echo your sentiments completely. I didn't even notice there was a third act when I saw it; it just felt like an overlong and repetitious first act then, well an overlong and repetitious second act until the end. What a slog.
EDIT: Also I thought I'd add, as well as the tone and structure, just how ugly some of it is; in both the lighting, colour grading, visual effects and cinematography.
If only DC fanboy could see and understand these videos...thank you for telling the truth. I'm so tired of seeing people putting these movies on some kind of pedistal
you have no idea of what you are talking about
yutube jode Oh yes, I have. I have seen enough people praising this movie for no reason
This movie is so incompetent that when I watched it I thought there was something wrong with me. I thought I missed something or dozed off. No way could this professional product be this bad... I was very confused.
17:35 well Harley is suppose to be a crazy person, and she hangs out with the joker, so she'd probably laugh at that.
Such a good commentary. Thanks for the content, leon.
Suicide Squad is more a lesson on how great filmmakers work can be destroyed by studio politics.
I'm making you a new closing logo in After Effects simply because this is the greatest smackdown on Suicide Squad I've seen anyone deliver.
I would love for this to be compared to Ocean's 11 in terms of introducing new ensemble characters.
I think it's perfectly fair to compare Suicide Squad to Raiders. Indiana Jones isn't exactly a masterpiece of art, it's just good at doing what it wants to do. It's not unfair to expect Suicide Squad to be able to match that.
All these flaws, and I still found it to be more enjoyable than Batman v Superman.
I really wouldn't have use Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's obvious that Guardians of the Galaxy was a better comparison. I mean, it's painfully obvious what WB/DC were trying to do.
I never watched Suicide Squad. This was a fascinating breakdown of the movie. Thank you.
When I first heard about them making a feature out of Suicide Squad, I got so excited by thinking this could be the our generation of "Wild Bunch". Buuuut it didn't turned out well like you said (笑´・艸・) Having watched David's earlier works, i still don't pick any kind smell that makes you think that this is David Ayerish film in any way. Do you think he got kicked out in early in the stage due to the creative differences... some sort ????? Anyway congrats very educational episode & I guess we hafta wait til they make good reboot, eh buddy !?
The best movie possible would of been revolving around Amanda Wahler. How Amanda used everybody as instruments to do her dirty work. Using the criminals to form Task Force X to "fix" the Enchantress problem under the guise of saving the country from superman level meta-humans. And again to have the team do a rescue mission to save her from the "magic aliens". The secondary subplot could of been the Joker "ticking clock" story if they could edit it right.
I've never heard you "break character" during a critique before, which made the impact of the insult that much bigger. Love the videos.
I heard the script was finished in a week, with barely time to pulish it
6 weeks. But yeah, not enough time
Great review, I always learn something from you
I have seen the movie and wish that DC would take a page form Marvel, and give their characters solo movies, before doing a big ensemble movie. However I think it’s very unlikely that they are going to do that.
And that is fine, but for someone like me, who was seeing just about all of these charecters for the first time, it was very confusing and muddy. But I did think that Harley Quinn joker and Deadshot where all done extremely well.
I love it when you go off topic!
Awesome piece Leon.
Kinda wish it was longer. lol
Happy thanksgiving!
I am so happy that you pointed out the obvious jukebox song choices. I saw the film.with my brother and he didn't believe me.
He saw the same film and didn't notice. I thought myself mad.
Why couldn't be Harley Quinn trying to escape the Joker and the one who busts her out of prison if her BFF-or-GF Poison Ivy?
You say that the film is ugly and displeasing. I kind of got the sense that that's what David Ayer was going for. That these are terrible people forced to do terrible things for other terrible people who can do this because they're in government. I guess we'll never really know. Like you said, the "Holy Grail Cut" probably doesn't even exist. But I would like to see what Ayer originally intended and see if it works any better.
Probably not, but you never know.
Daniel Allen David Ayer seems to like making ugly, displeasing movies (and I don't mean that as an insult) so you probably have a point.
So many butthurt DC fans says the only reason why critics and many comic or film fans doesn´t like the movies in the DCEU is because they love Marvel and hate DC. Marvel movies are really good, defenetly not perfect, but still really good because they hire the right directors, they take their time, and most imortant of all, over half of their movies are good MOVIES, not just good COMIC BOOK FAN-SERVICE!
"The answer's quite simple: critics went into Suicide Squad to see a film, not a validation for their obsession with an action figure"
- Adam, YMS
RIDDICK0911 lol. Can you please list the movies that are bad or good?
I think the other huge problem with this movie is the script itself. Instead of the boring "go-there-do-that"-plot, they should've made this a heist movie, with the Squad members picked for their expertise and powers. But as they go along, the plot twist happens and the Squad is in over their heads with a bigger enemy than they expected.
Aww. I thought you would have said they put "Dirty Deeds" by AC/DC because Captain Boomerang is Austrailian and doing Dirty Deeds... You're right, wayy too on the nose. XD
X-Men is the best example of how to work an ensemble in this category.
I was hoping Suicide Squad would do just that, but it just failed.
Ppl my age are hyped by this movie because they think they are freaky like Harley & Joker.
I was really disappointed, not just in this movie but w David Ayer, he's a damn good filmmaker. I can only think that he was pressured in certain areas, like the 6 week script. Wrf man!
'radio edit of an already bad song' lmao
Hey Renegade. I was wondering if you can compare this film to the animated film Batman:Assault on Arkham? To see if that film in someway is better paced or better written than the live action version. Really interested if you ca cover it.
Along with your points about the three act structure, I also think if your story happens to break the typical structure to be told, that's fine, but the basis of your story shouldn't be trying to break it.
Great video! Have you seen the animated movie Batman: Assault on Arkham? It's the closest to a good Suicide Squad movie imo, or at least it utilizes the concept better
Great analysis, agreed with all of your points
I'm suprised that you didn't go into how terribly edited the action-scenes in this action-movie are, especially in the first encounter with the minions of the Enchantress. I swear, the edits are all delayed for what feels like several seconds, turning what could have been cool into an awkward mess.
I do agree that the movie had problems even before the terrible editing, but I do think the supposed original cut could have worked. I don't mind ugly films as long as they work as films, and the original version at least seems to have acknowledged the abusive nature of Harley and Jokers relationship, if what we know about the cut scenes are any indication.
Still, what we ended up with was one of the worst big-budget messes I've seen in years, and the only 100% positive thing I can say about it is that it at least had Batman act more like Batman than Dawn of Justice did. :P
18:37-20:16 oh yea, because we all know that Nick Wilde's introduction in Zootopia was so cool because Smooth Operator by Sade started playing when Judy sees him sneak into the ice cream parlor, or whatever song they would've picked for that moment if the idiots who made THIS movie made it! Yea, you know how Tarantino picks songs that fit the tone of the scene in his movies? Yea...
If you put rainbow glitter on a piece of crap..it's still crap 💩.
Couldn't agree more. I didn't analyse the movie like you did but even I noticed the bad pacing in a 'casual viewing'.
Slipknots missing introduction was a mistake. How can I care in a movie for someone I don't know?My main grudge is with Harley and the Joker... oh how they suck. Their scenes are simply annoying and I don't care for them and there is no place for them in this movie. Harley is the only member of the team unfit for the given task. She has no power (like Enchatress or El Diablo - maybe even Killer Croc who is strong and has a different physiology), no gadget assisted abilities (like Katana or Slipknot) and is not extraordinarily experienced with a certain weapon (like Deadshot or Captain Boomerang). She is just a crazy doctor which I could understand if the team was to catch the Joker...
When her bomb is deactivated, she tries to escape with the Joker but the plan fails and she comes back... why? Then there is the battle and after that she goes back to prison... WHY?!??! There was no reason. Nobody would have stopped her and if she was affraid someone could re-activate the bomb, the first attempted escape would have been futile as well. This is one butchered movie...
Minor point but killer croc has super powers. He's part reptile, has super strength can swim and breath under water and has killer instincts
Oh. So that's why Brody's son, Michael, is indirectly attacked and left in shock in Jaws. It's the moment when Brody's at his moment. The shark has literally struck close to home. Now, screw the mayor, he has to act for the sake of his sons. That also explains the threat that the Orca will sink. It creates a ticking clock and forces a climax.
So many characters were forgettable in that movie. I didn't know Will Smith was even in that movie before watching it and he is supposed to be somewhat of a lead. How can we root for them i we forget about them? All people remember is oversexualized Harley and weird Joker.
Oh boy this movie. Biggest disappointment of the year for me.
Came for Suicide Squad review, stayed for the Raiders of the Lost Ark analysis.
The number I've seen for hours of footage shot for this film is 700. If that's true and they gave 700 hours of footage to a music video / trailer company and told them to reduce it into a 2-hour picture it's no wonder that the end result was a wreck.
would you ever do age of ultron or winter soldier?
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Interesting video. Probably an easier comparison would of been escape from Newyork.
Which was worse: Suicide Squad or Batman v. Superman?
Batman v Superman. 80% of the movie's scenes has no bearing on the plot. You could take every scene between the beginning and the end, and rearrange the order and it would change nothing.
batman v superman is much worse
I'd have to argue that BvS, while overtly crammed with too much for one movie, and lacking any consistent, compelling narrative, at the very least has a few interesting plot thread concepts. Batman and Superman at odds? Some of the best stories to come from DC involved or revolved around that. Lex Luthor having a hand in creating a brutish Superman foe? Metallo and more recently, Bizzaro, are great examples of entertaining villains created by Lex in one form or another.
To name only one primary issue with either concept, there obviously needs to be a *clear,* fleshed out understanding of what the conflicts between Bruce and Clark are, and why, and there wasn't--beyond hollow "manipulation" via Luthor. And Doomsday? Not only is their treatment of what could potentially be interesting in reworking Zod completely ignored, any attempts at creating an interesting villain with him in general are abandoned. More importantly, such a huge foe (and as a result such a massive conclusion) feels like the bloated icing on the overstuffed, sagging cake that was already a mess.
To summarize though: BvS is much worse I think, because it's a gigantic disappointment.
Great analysis, Renegade Cut! I hope you are wrong that a reedit will not greatly improve the quality of the film, but I know you are probably right.
Staring at a picture of Harley for the duration of the run time would have been a better use of time.
Brutal review, but I agree with most of this, although, I actually did like this film but it had many flaws in it. Adam Beach, who is a very talented actor was just wasted completely in this film. I didn't realize it until you said it but he doesn't get a flashback in the film like the others did. Shame, it was a real waste of Beach's talent. Btw, I LMAO @ 19:56-20:04 xD
Viola was the best part, she really fits the part.
Thanks for another amazing and informative video on cinema storytelling and filmmaking structure, and how to use them well while finding compromise with artistic vision and studio mandate. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch the best clips of this tone-deaf, dad joke-heavy, shoddily created and structurally unsound mess of a film this is and listen to its soundtrack as the neutral, Swiss-fisted, and opinionated comic book film fan that I am, because I'm a sick bastard. Sorry :)
Here's my take on how this movie should have been.
First the Joker as the main villain and Enchantress as a last support for the suicide team.
No Rick Flag what so ever.
All characters are given equal time on screen, and exposition time.
Make inside the Arkham prison really scary, and get rid of those dumb ass guards.
No brother for enchantress and evil taking over the world scenario.
Make the Joker the big bad villain and the team goes after him.
Make that whole scenario big, he's gone of the deep end big.
Minimal Amanda Waller exposition, just the beginning and then let her go.
A beginning, a middle, and a fitting end.
And yes a definitive ending please.
And most important make the whole movie R rated and dark.
This sort of movie does not lend itself for kids.
Go see a Disney movie instead.
This is an adult by the balls type of movie.
Oh NO BATMAN cameo.
Plus 2 hours long.
This movie is a giant Hot Topic ad
I thought everything Will Smith touches was supposed to turn into gold... my reality is broken...
the structure breakdown makes one hell of a lot of sense. The only problem I've ever had with Raiders of the Lost Ark is that Jones' presence in the nazi raid is redundant. Even though they were digging at the wrong place, they would have eventually dug up everything and found it, and would have died either way. The forth and back of the ark was not even called for, but boy did it serve for an entertaining classic.
Not even going to talk about the abomination that is suicide squad.
How did you get the footage of this? Did you DVD rip it?
I think what really killed this movie before it even hit production was that it wasn't earned. It hasn't proven it needs to be made yet. We haven't seen these characters become villains or do anything villainous. We have to just take the movie's word for it, because even the flashbacks are presented in a way that endears us to these "anti-heroes."
In the comic book world, Suicide Squad begins decades after super hero comics began publishing. Most of the characters used in the original comic book series had extensive histories by then, and even if some of their origins were retconned a bit or truncated by the time they become a part of the Suicide Squad title, the characters had a place in the minds of the audience to which it was geared. However, this can't carry over into the movie medium.
These characters need to be given their just due before they get teamed up. Otherwise, you end up having way too much to explain. Harley Quinn's relationship with Joker even tho he doesn't need to be in this film. Deadshot's motivation for existing - his daughter - even tho she's not an instrumental part of this film. Diablo's whole backstory, even tho none of it's going to matter when we get to the film's big finale. They tried to bring in Captain Boomerang, and Flash doesn't even technically exist in the DCEU yet. So Boom's history hasn't even started yet in this storyverse. The storytellers simply do not deserve the right to tell stories with these characters, cuz they're ignoring all the stories that explain this one.
These characters have too much baggage to carry with them, and no time to address them properly before the film is already over. Like trying to have Captain America fully realized in someone else's movie without giving him a proper origin story. Or when Wonder Woman got pigeon holed into Batman Vs Superman without any proper explanation of who or what she is in this particular universe.
Any one of these characters could have made for an interesting film, but not a blockbuster. As a standalone, Harley Quinn's romance with Joker would have had potential, but now if someone goes back and tries to tell that story it's either gonna be a rehash of the broken fragmented flashbacks, or it's gonna fail to survive the comparison.
Together, these characters' stories make a vain attempt at a blockbuster that fails miserably. I don't think there is a way to make this work. It's like trying to do The Avengers without the decade or so of films that came before it. Or worse, like trying to do Avengers Infinity War first, before the almost two decades now of films that have and will come before it.
Can we just say it out loud? Drugs. It's not a leap.
This movie is a guilty pleasure of mine..... I appreciate the demonstrable terribleness yet i am somehow intrigued by the disjointed character development. Its a movie that i find to be unpredictable yet charming.
Brutal, but true. If you could choose someone else to direct and write Suicide Squad who would you choose?
Its not the director,its the producers and executives who started saying "lets make movies as dark as the dark knight and watchmen" and then sudlendly decide "oh my god,our films are humourless and pretentious,lets make them funny and gangsta bro "
Ayer was good, they butchered the movie in post production
Rogue One is pretty much a much better, more coherent Suicide Squad, made in SW universe.
I'd say, Gareth Edwards could do it maybe. He seems pretty good with ansamble movies
yutube jode No he was the wrong choice for the film.
yutube jode No, I'm sorry, but no. The editing didn't ruin the movie. All scenes taken individually are still bad. The story is still bad. Ayer wrote it and directed all these bad scenes.
And he even protected the movie after it came out, claiming that the theatrical cut is the TRUE cut of the movie. he is to blame for almost everything here
worst movie of the year for me
I feel your cringe, this was a horrid mess, you mention music, It's just jarring and out of place, Guardians of the Galaxy is a great example of using popular music but weaving it into the narrative.