Why not Elway? Didn't he have the athleticism, play in five superbowls, win two of them and, also, win a league mvp and superbowl mvp? Why doesn't he sit at the GOAT table?
Right! Even I think mahomes is the great, but he sometimes even he don't play so well. But he is great don't get me wrong. I can like him but still admit when he does wrong on the field. I mean no QBs ain't perfect. If they was they would win a SB every year 😂
I find myself agreeing with James more than I do with the other three on this show but I'm starting to think James is one of those people that don't want Aaron Rodgers to delete his number.
@@Cloud91738Man, Shady excuses is always sb and playoff wins. Rodgers, during his one sb run, meaning 4 games has MORE rushing yards than shady in his TWO sb runs with two different teams and 7 playoff games.
Absolutely. All he did was shatter NFL records. And what the Saints did for years saddling him with literally the historically WORST defenses was criminal.
Rather than talk about whether he belongs at the table with the all-time greats can we talk about the fact that he’s literally following in Brett Favre’s footsteps from burning bridges in Green Bay to having a disastrous stint with the Jets and by the time next season starts he’ll be signing a contract with the Vikings
@@maskedman5657 rodgers is the most talented, but not the best or a goat. Heck, mahomes can do what aaron rodgers can do and went to 4 SBs. Nobody saying he is a bad QB or mid. But over these years he haven't got it done. And he supposed to be the most talented. The playoffs matter. Just like dak and lamar.
@@prestigev6131 Y'all ninjas are so ignorant. The title says goat table. Which is highlighting the best players of all time. Which he is. Learn to read and stop trying to argue semantics
What he didnt mention is that Peyton Manning went to 4 superbowls and changed the QB position on a mental level thats also y he is at the table along with stats
@@thatstheway2429 yes but look at the more advanced stats, he has the #1 and #2 records for passer rating in a season, he has better stats in the playoffs and regular season than tom, highest career passer rating all time, he is 5th in all time pasing tds not to mention everyone else in the top 8 has played at LEAST 2 more seasons than him
@@landongray8687 Aaron Rodgers is 6th all time in passer rating in the playoffs. Patrick Mahomes is 1st. Wouldn’t that make Mahomes statistically better? Their regular season passer rating is identical (difference of 0.1). Brady has the greatest QBR in a season ever. Mahomes has spent 47% of his career as the QB with the best ELO. Aaron Rodgers 10%. Brady 14%. Yes if you pick and choose your statistics, you can make a case for Rodgers but it’s not cut and dry. If anyone is the best statistically, it’s Mahomes. If you factor in playoff statistics, Mahomes is running away with it, being that as great as his regular season statistics are he gets even better in the playoffs, against tougher competition.
@@thatstheway2429 what about the fact that aaron rodgers has played 15 seasons and has 105 interceptions Or that he easily has the highest TD-INT ratio of all time? Maybe Mahomes is better than rodgers statistically but rodger is definitely better than brady can we agree that?
He does everything better than Montana other than have Jerry freakin Rice, Bill freak Walsh, shall I go on how the 9er’s of the 80’s were stupid loaded? I don’t need to … I’m sure you get it.
@@hitek9too255shhhhh , we can’t talk about that. We get hit with the classic “ your a hater “ ( usually anyway ) . 😂🤣😂 Montana , before Brady , was in a league of his own .in order for Montana to get kicked off of Rushmore , when mahomes retires , another mahomes needs to pop up . Good luck with that . In no order , Brady , Montana , Manning , Mahomes . Before Mahomes , rogers had an argument . But with mahomes , rogers is locked out of the top 4 . Too 10? Absolutely . Top 4? No way no how .
@@robertschoelerman7496a rod didn't have the talent that that pat had. Is he great yes. Does he have better talent that Rodgers ever have. Oh heck yeah.
@@IrishNE40 Feels like Kelce needs to retire and then Mahomes gets stuck with his 2023 weapons and 2019 defense to get the credit he is due. Gonna be entertaining watching you guys continue to move the goal post on why he is so successful as the roster continues to change and he keeps winning. First it was Tyreek, then he won league MVP and back to back superbowls, now its Kelce and Andy even though they accomplished nothing in the post season with Alex Smith, whats it gonna be next?
@@burner20681 Andy Reid just needed a competent QB. To run his offense to a tee. He was the greatest coach without a ring. I think Reid has a little part in it. As well as Kelce.
He only brought up Eli when they were talking about super bowls. They're holding super bowls against Rogers, but that's what he's saying. There's other people with more super bowls that wasn't better. So why go by super bowls when other people have won multiple that aren't that great js
@@K.DatBamaBoi yeah but nobody brings up Eli or Aikman as a Goat. So when compared to the greatest quarterbacks of all time, he does fall a little short due to a lack of success. Either winning matters or it doesn't, he's definitely a bit more talented than some in that top 4-5 but they all won substantially more than him so if you're going to bring up a Manning let it be Peyton because no one puts Eli over Rodgers (no one brings up Terry Bradshaw either and he has 4 so it's not like we're docking him a lot he just isn't mount Rushmore great)
All post 2000 QBs are the GOATs............ Please. John Elway has 5 AFC Titles and 2 Super Bowls. And rating Rodgers on anything other than football is silly.
@@connieq2811 And his first three Super Bowls came with him playing with how many HOF players. And I forgot Warren Moon. Spent the first four years playing in Canada and won 5 Grey Cups in a row (1979-82), then went on to have an NFL HOF career. The GOAT debate is (to me) stupid. What does peak Marino, Elway, or Moon look like playing today. How successful is a peak Rodgers, Brees or Mahomes in a 1980s league. I think we put too much emphasis on who is the best to play the game when the game keeps changing. Instead, we should be looking at All Decade Teams. Measuring players against their peers makes more sense (to me). Thanks for responding.
If you would have said 20 years ago that Aaron Rodgers is going to be one of the most talented quarterbacks you've ever seen but he will only win won super bowl in 20 years and never even get to another one you would find that hard to believe. But here we are and honestly the NFC really hasn't had any quarterbacks better than him so it really shouldn't have been that hard for him to get back.
@@ADUSNPeople don't understand just how bad it was. Rodgers and Brees have one first round pick at WR put together. The success they had as passers in spite of that is crazy.
I still believe Brees was better but he was even more unlucky and had worse rosters than AROD. He definitely had at least 2 MVPs stolen from him during his career. But yeah aside from Brees, Rodgers was far and away the best qb in the NFC and consistently failed in the playoffs
Normally appreciate JJ over the others, but he's a glaze when it comes to Aaron Rogers. Dude needs an MVP season and another Super Bowl to be at the GOAT table. And he's got, what three years max to do that?
Aaron Rodgers does not deserve to sit at the big boy table when it comes to quarterbacks. He has had opportunities to win multiple Super Bowl rings but ultimately choked in the playoffs. In his last 2 years in Green Bay, he was a league MVP and was in playoff games where they were close enough to win if he had played better. He had the loss against Tampa where he could have ran it in but instead chose it to throw an errant pass to Devante Adams and then proceeded to lose the next year to the San Francisco 49ers in a game where he didn't score an offensive touchdown. The regular season stats are great, but they are pretty much empty calories if you don't perform in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers can go down as a great regular season quarterback, but I don't think he can ever be considered the G.O.A.T.
Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps way better then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp 2015 NFC championship Seahawks 28 Packers 22 Aaron Rodgers 1 td and 2 ints only 178 passing yards and 55.8 passer rating CHOKED away a 16-0 lead when Green Bay defense 4 ints, 1 force fumble, 5 turnovers, 5 sacks 2015 NFL Superbowl Patriots 28 Seahawks 24 Tom Brady 4 tds and 2 ints and 328 yards and 101.1 passer rating and CLUTCH came back from down 24-14 to win 4th ring and 3rd superbowl mvp vs same team that beat Aaron Rodgers in NFC championship game Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps already greater Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp 5 NFC championship games Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER Greatest Quarterbacks all time 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Patrick Mahomes 4. Peyton Manning 5. John Elway
My question is… why do we never talk about Rodgers playoff losses. I know AVID Packers fans who expected the Packers to choke every year just like the Cowboys, and just like that criticism falls on Dak, the fact that’s the perception of your team falls on Rodgers. Thats why he CANT be in the Goat convo because he is the reason they’ve lost most of their playoff games.
But was peyton the best player in any of those superbowls?? Nope. He shouldnt have won superbowl MVP in his first and did nothing in the rest of them. Almost like it takes a team rather than a player to get to a superbowl.
@@MitchTsugi he was the best player in those superbowls except the last one. The Seattle game the offensive line couldn't block because it was dealing with injuries. The Saints superbowl they lost that game on an onside kick. That's what changed that game and Wayne quit on a route and the ball got intercepted. People tend to have revisionist history on stuff.
@@percybedford6266 na dominic Rhodes averaged over 5 yards a carry with a td and over 100 yards while peyton had an 80 passer rating. Against the Seahawks they allowed only one sack and peyton threw 2 horrible picks that had nothing to do with the oline. Against the saints that wasnt on reggie Wayne the route was jumped by Db and the onside kick did nothing for a 3 point lead. Peyton mad overrated and mediocre in all superbowls he played
Ok ok this is close! Mine is Brady, Montana, elway, Manning, mahomes, Rogers, brees, and Marino. That's my order. I totally agree with you. I would add troy akman as #9 and big ben 10
@@princecheck11 brees and rodgers had bad defenses .. saints defense toward the end of brees carreer was good 2017-2020, both had decent weapons on offense
You have to play with a complete teams. How many times has rodgers had a top 10 defense....IL wait. In the past 7 years, the cheifs have had 4 seasons with top 10 defense, 2 seasons where they are middle of the pack at 15, and 16, and one season at 24th. We not even gone talk about brady, he pretty much went his whole career with a top 10 defense. Rodgers has had a top 10 defense just twice with the packers. Look at peyton manning 8 times. But when you have other great QBs like drew Brees, and mathew Stafford and Aaron rodgers who all have a ring, guess what they all have in common. They all only had a top 10 defense only one or two times in their whole career. You need a good defense to win the chip man
@@navyglass1242Nice try, but mahomes won 2 sb’s with much worse defenses than rodgers or brees ever hade during their sb runs. He already disproved that casual take 😂
Hes not behind Manning. Did u see Manning his last year? 🥫. If u wanna say it's cause he won a SB then u better love Bradshaw cause he got 4. Bradshaw was a average qb at best, check the numbers and watch his games. If u saying it's cause Manning got mvps then u saying u like Rodgers at that table too.
Im sorry but Eli won the most important wins with less talent they weren't viewed as elite until they won as underdogs is more impressive than what Rodgers did
One guy may or may not make the Hall of Fame even with two rings and one is a unanimous first ballot selection. Rodgers is the better player and it's not close.
@@robertschoelerman7496that's the dumbest take I have ever heard. Mahomes running for his life in one and never saw the football in OT because of patty cake defense
That onside kick game against Seattle his defense got him 5 or 6 turnovers and he got them 22 points. It never shoulda came down to an onside kick!! I can't believe people still bring that up to vindicate him.
Yea the table of whinning, crying at refs, cheating, deflating footballs, hiding cellphones, getting carried by his defense and kicker, the Tuck Rule, rule changes to help him, and playing in a cupcake division.
There is only one seat at the goat table, this isn't musical chairs where everyone gets a turn, and we all know who it is. This type of discussion is an exercise in futility based on boredom.
He isn't wrong though Eli has 2 rings if your judging what qb is better by how many team achievements they have that would literally mean Eli is better than rodgers Brees favre and Marino judging the better qb by how many rings the have is the most casual thing you can do
Eli Manning... TWO Superbowl trophies... TWO SUPERBOWL TROPIES... Against a QB named Tom Brady... Every hear of him? (Eli, the ONLY QB who beat, and will EVER beat Tom Brady.)
Aikman? Lmao. No one would take him, unless he comes with the 3 sb teams he won with. Cause he was mega average. Winning a SB doesn't increase how good the player is. Would u take McCoy over Sanders cause he got two rings? Uh no. Look up what McCoy did with the bucs and chiefs and his contributions to those rings. 0.
Lmaoo casual google stats please in compare rodgers against every other qb in history if team achievements (superbowls) put you at the goat table that mean you might as well say Eli is better than rodgers Brees favre and Marino because he has more bowls
Of course he is definitely part of the greatest individual player of all time table. But unfortunately you would be judged off of super bowls because its a team sport. It aint fair if he is keft out. Its difficult for the novice audience and biased people to understand the difference and include both the individual great and team great in the GOATtable.
The GOAT table includes Superbowl wins though Rodgers is a all time great QB no one will dispute that but we can't say he's a all time great talent and not have the rings to prove it and for Rodgers I think it's more that he's never been to another Superbowl more than winning another Superbowl
@@evileyevalaussome players get trapped in inferior organizations. I understand, there's more pressure on QBs than everyone else, but there's only so much a great QB can overcome, in what is still the ultimate team sport. Not all of Rodgers' playoff losses are on him either. Gb's defense has been good once when he won his championship, and terrible to average every other year he started.
Mahomes defense was only good last season other than that they been horrible until the playoffs they were mid at best. I'm tired of hearing Roger's only had 1 good defense.
James, you’re smarter than. No one is saying Eli can be there cause of two Super Bowls. There are saying the greatest have multiple Super bowls, appearances, and have performed at the highest level in the regular season and postseason more than they haven’t
But winning itself has nothing to do with a single player. Johnny unitas, joe montana, john elway, neither has been better than Rodgers in the the regular season or besides montana in the playoffs. You look at winning rather than the player single stats. Montana had a stacked roster than was able to keep winning without him. Dont compare superbowl wins to single player acalodes
@@MitchTsugiqbs more than any position in the game have a massive affect on winning. That’s why we rightly judge guys based on Ws and Ls. Not the sole factor, but a huge one nonetheless
@@MitchTsugiqbs more than any position in the game have a massive affect on winning. That’s why we rightly judge guys based on Ws and Ls. Not the sole factor, but a huge one nonetheless
@@prestigev6131 wrong it's more if the team than the qb and we have recent evidence. Look at Matthew Stafford who never won anything with Detroit and moves to LA and wins a ring. Look at how the niners took 2 different qbs in a short span from JIMMY G to brock purdy into the superbowl. There are very very very few qbs that can have the majority of the impact to take a team to the superbowl. Very few.
The thing about the GOAT conversation is that there is no actual way to define it and that goes in any sport. Cause if a certain player fits your own individual definition of the GOAT, then that’s who you gonna argue for. Thats why everyone asks who is “your goat” in these shows to spark arguments
in the goat debate, it's a combination of everything: talent, statistical dominance, and accolades. when you have a handful of qbs with multiple mvps and chips and one qb with multiple mvps and one ring, naturally that one qb will be behind the others. rodgers is elite and a top 10 qb in history, but he's not top 5
They don't even put John Elway in the goat discussion. Trust me he was a better quarterback. Look at the teams he took to the Super Bowl. Put him on the Packers at the time Aaron Rodgers was with them. He may be the goat
@@noflyzone2307 Actually it is close both Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees in same tier both 1 ring playoff chokers neither top 5 all time or at table with goat 🐐 Brady
@StoneCold2k57 Rings are a teams accolade. It always has been, only new era fanboys and people that dont know football uses this arguments as if it's an individual award bc none of you would put someone like Eli above most QB legends with only 1 ring. Y'all are the same ones that don't apply the same stupid logic when it comes to other positions if we were to bring up where someone like Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, or Barry Sanders ranks. As for Tom Brady I can easily shut that arguments down. When it comes to being the best to do it at the QB position. Aaron Rodgers is the best "quarterback" the league has ever seen.
@@noflyzone2307 Nobody cares to hear the team game BS excuses when both Rodgers and Brees had great teams around them and both Choked in playoffs multiple times and like I said both in same tier neither top 5 all time Quarterbacks and not on level of the goat 🐐 Brady, Montana, Mahomes top 3 QBs all time and clutch in playoffs leading they teams to multiple rings
James Jones must be getting paid by Rodgers to make him sound better than he is…Rodgers isn’t even in Steve Young’s level, let alone Montana’s level. Steve led the league in completion percentage 5 times, TD passes 4 times, INT percentage 2 times, yards per attempt 5 times, yards per game 2 times, passer rating 6 times, has 6 All Pros, has 2 season MVPs and 1 Super Bowl MVP with his 1 Super Bowl, but has 3 rings. Whereas Rodgers led the league in completion percentage 1 time, TD passes 2 times, INT percentage 6 times (that a plus for Rodgers), yards per attempt 1 time, yards per game 0 times, passer rating 4 times, has 4 All Pros, has 4 season MVPs (that’s a plus for Rodgers) and 1 Super Bowl MVP with his 1 Super Bowl win. Out of 10 of the most important categories for QBs, Rodgers leads in 2, whereas Young leads in 6, and they tied in 2. And that’s before we get into the fact that Young is a top 5 rushing QB all time, whereas Rodgers isn’t a rushing QB of any kind.
@@appreciatealltheplayers481playoff wins and championships are a team stat. The only year GB's defense was any good, he won a championship. GB never drafted a WR in the first round his entire time there. Adams is the only one to sustain his dominance without Rodgers.
@@dmvynnotice how none of those stats say 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all time but the guys at this table insist he’s 1st all time in talent. That is the definition of not living up to your talent
@@zackhurwitz9441 Stop using the team excuse. Rodgers had plenty of chances to go to another team if he wanted to, but he always chose to get the bag in Green Bay. He also knew he had zero competition in that division, I mean the lions were the worst franchise in sports, bears next to worst, and vikings were ok but never great. He owned that division, so that's where most of those high win years come from. But in the playoffs he's playing against REAL teams and he choked every time. We can't ignore that. His interception and other faults increase significantly in the playoffs every time. The GOATS play well consistently in regular season and playoffs and sometimes will the team to victory.
Dan Marino didn't win a ring, but he's right there in the GOAT conversation. He never had a 1000 yard rusher, except one season when someone ran for 1001 yards. Only twice did he have a top ten defence(and in one of those years he went to the big game, and the other to the AFC Championship). All the other GOAT contestants had great coaches, weapons, or defences (an in Montana's case, all three). This is a team game, and some QBs do more with less. This is why Mount Rushmore shouldn't have some of the QBs on it (Elway, Montana) that people always put on it.
People also seem to forget he dint play in the offense friendly QB protected era. (All current numbers are hyper-inflated) He retired with something like 25 passing records and was tied for 5 others.
No. He is one of the most talented for sure no doubt. but his ACCOLADES don’t come close. The Goat Table in my opinion has 3 valid names Mahomes, Brady and Montana. That’s it. Everybody else is a clear step below.
@@Renegade-kf8fpMahomes is great but he’s not sitting at the GOAT table just yet for his era. If he can give 4-6 more years of similar stats then we can start talking about GOAT status for his era.
@@arkadious9320 Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps in 6 seasons and 15-3 record he's at goat table and only Quarterbacks above him goat 🐐 Brady and Montana so try again
Jim Kelly led Buffalo to four Super Bowls. In his NFL career, Jim Kelly put up numbers that place him among the game's greatest passers. Yet y'all didn't even mention him. But you mention Marino with his 1appearance. Why? Because Kelly didn't win any super bowls? But he led his team there 4 times. This is why it's hard to listen to you "experts" making all that money talking all that opinionated BS. Oh, And I am a Jet fan who hates the Bills (and Miami and the Pats) Here's an idea, turn off the comments or give us some residuals for contributing to the argument.
Less than 3 minutes in and James has lost me already talking about Aaron Rodgers is better than Super Joe Montana! That is preposterous! I guarantee you that if you polled the greatest NFL players of all time and asked them who would they choose Rodgers or Montana.. it would be a landslide for #16 from San Francisco! And I’m saying this as a lifelong Dallas Cowboys fan! Aaron is overrated and had his chances to show and prove! He’s not the guy in the clutch!
He gets to eat at the coffee table in the living room with some friends brought home from college but he's definitely not at the grownups table. Can't be that mediocre in the playoffs and be talked about in GOAT convos.
@@jaliancasey5409 James Jones was actually active in his SBs, and played with Aaron Rodgers. Jones led the league in TDs playing with Rodgers. Shady gasses Brady like he was out there with him.
@@zackhurwitz9441 that’s cool Shady didn’t get drafted to a team with a QB like Rodgers put he was better at his position than James was and still got the accolades and hardware at the end
Lmao James jones is trippin. Dude said if Rodgers gets another ring, he’ll be with Brady. Last time I check 7 is a lot more than 2. I don’t care how much talent he got over Brady. That talent don’t = 5 Super Bowl rings
Thanks for doing more and more stories on Rodgers. It makes getting through the show quicker because as soon as I see it’s about him I hit the fast forward button
Then big ben is one of the goats he has more playoff wins than Aaron and if we being honest josh Allen is more gifted than Rodgers and has a better arm
Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps better Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp and a playoff game CHOKER 1-4 losing record in 5 NFC championship games
He ain't top 5! Brady, Mahommes, Montana, Peyton, Elway, Brees are just a few. Then we can argue about Big Ben, Marino, Brett Favre. Id put AR somewhere between Ben and Stafford.
Dan marino is at the big table to me. He was too good to put him at the kiddie table. Even along with super bowl winners. He's better than most of them.
I usually love James Jones’ takes but bro can’t be objective with Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers could literally kick Salah’s teeth out and James would justify it
I was with James Jones about Aaron being one of the best to ever do it, til it he said Rodgers was better than Joe Montana. That's just not true. Joe Montana is the best I have ever seen do it. Dan Marino is also one of the best to ever do it as well (Superbowl win or not).
No he doesn't belong in the goat conversation! It is pretty bizarre been he's only been to one super bowl bc he's good enough to get there but what does Aaron Rodgers have that Patrick mahomes doesn't have? Brady is just still the undisputed goat so there can't be a goat table either you are the goat or you're not.
2 years before peyton broke both passing and touchdown records which still stand today. He did what he needed to do to win. Honestly I think that is more impressive than anything. He had a defense to finally lean on.
The reason Rodgers doesn't have as many rings as Brady is because unlike Brady Rodgers has only had 4 of his 15 seasons in GB with a top 10 defense one of those years he won the Lombardi trophy. Brady in 16 of his 19 seasons has had a top 10 defense. Defense wins championships and so do kickers in Brady's case.
@@jring383 😂 what u talking about he has lost to the 49ers so many times, only has one bowl, not an all time great, some stumble into one the great ones have multiple
@@rainiermartinMan, Shady excuses is always sb and playoff wins. Rodgers, during his one sb run, meaning 4 games has MORE rushing yards than shady in his TWO sb runs with two different teams and 7 playoff games.
@@jring383 5 NFC Championship games Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER so nope you wrong 2022 NFC playoffs 49ers 13 Packers 10 Aaron Rodgers 0 td passes CHOKED after defense carried him 2023 NFC Playoffs Chiefs 38 Eagles 35 Mahomes 3 tds and 0 ints and 96.4 QBR and Superbowl Mvp and carried his team to a ring when his defense was bad Patrick Mahomes won 2 ring with the Chiefs 18th ranked defense That's why I love having Mahomes he destroys all excuses for OVERRATED Rodgers Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps already better Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps way better Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp 5 NFC championship games Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER Greatest Quarterbacks all time 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Patrick Mahomes 4. Peyton Manning 5. John Elway
@@juultoo No he doesn't. You're a typical new age football fan that eats up the typical narrative without actually watching games. Formulate your own opinion and stop parroting what sports media tells you.
Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps way better then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp 2015 NFC championship Seahawks 28 Packers 22 Aaron Rodgers 1 td and 2 ints only 178 passing yards and 55.8 passer rating CHOKED away a 16-0 lead when Green Bay defense 4 ints, 1 force fumble, 5 turnovers, 5 sacks 2015 NFL Superbowl Patriots 28 Seahawks 24 Tom Brady 4 tds and 2 ints and 328 yards and 101.1 passer rating and CLUTCH came back from down 24-14 to win 4th ring and 3rd superbowl mvp vs same team that beat Aaron Rodgers in NFC championship game Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps already greater Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp 5 NFC championship games Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER Greatest Quarterbacks all time 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Patrick Mahomes 4. Peyton Manning 5. John Elway
He's undoubtedly a Top 5 QB overall. The funny thing is all these comments seem like they come from people who don't really know football. The whole panel agreed on the topic and there are people saying James is being ridiculous. That makes no sense. Rodgers is the highest rated passer of all-time and a Super Bowl MVP. He's far and away the best QB with one championship (which is a team stat anyway)...If Dan Marino is (and he is) a Top 10 QB then Rodgers can be no lower than 5th. Top 10 is an absolute no brainer.
It's really hard for me to put a lot of the modern QBs along with the others, bc so much has changed. Whether it be rules, and being more of a pass friendly. You can't touch the qb, wr like they used to so in a way, it's not like life flashing before your eyes as soon as you catch the ball. To me a lot of stats are overinflated bc of that.
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Why not Elway? Didn't he have the athleticism, play in five superbowls, win two of them and, also, win a league mvp and superbowl mvp? Why doesn't he sit at the GOAT table?
Asking James Jones about Rodgers is like asking LeBron about Bronny.
Right! Even I think mahomes is the great, but he sometimes even he don't play so well. But he is great don't get me wrong. I can like him but still admit when he does wrong on the field. I mean no QBs ain't perfect. If they was they would win a SB every year 😂
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More like Shannon on n Lebron
No,, its like ask asking Lebron about Lebron!!
"Hey James what do you want for lunch?"
James: AARON RODGERS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER!!
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I agree with James
not a rodgers fan, hated him for yearsss but the last 2 years i’ve appreciated him more. he’s definitely a top 10 all time qb.
How many times they going to bring this up?
They have nothing to talk about and football gets the views.... I hate it too. Only a few more months left. We can do this
July is halfway done… we’ll get out of this
@@AverageJoeTwoPoint0 Very true!
Because people keep disrespecting that mans name.
Camp kicks off tomorrow. Next week all these shows will start having real topics again
I find myself agreeing with James more than I do with the other three on this show but I'm starting to think James is one of those people that don't want Aaron Rodgers to delete his number.
JJ is solid with other topics. But anything Rodgers is bias
He does go2 far sometimes but I mean arod lowkey made him a millionaire and they probably homeboys in real life so I get it
Yep that's kind of what I think
I think it's crazy that people say that he throws the ball better than Patrick, have they not watched Mahomes throw the ball lol
@@Cloud91738Man, Shady excuses is always sb and playoff wins. Rodgers, during his one sb run, meaning 4 games has MORE rushing yards than shady in his TWO sb runs with two different teams and 7 playoff games.
Do we really need another segment of James glazing Rodgers? He's not objective on this topic.
Davante said the exact same thing on this show last week
so the constant Rodgers bashers are? Hes the only advocate there is for AR. Everyone else spends all day glazing Brady and Mahomes.
Lol James might be glazing Rogers but he's right 100%
Every one is biased towards certain players. Like even the biggest Rogers haters have to admit he's a Goat. That's common sense
James is right
The disrespect on Drew Breeze is ridiculous
Brees is a beast!
Absolutely. All he did was shatter NFL records. And what the Saints did for years saddling him with literally the historically WORST defenses was criminal.
Patrick Mahomes has already outperformed Aaron Rodgers’s best
did he outperform last year, or are you talking about SB, which is a team effort.
@@Teegray1124Aaron not on mahomes level
@@reese854king LOL OK
@@Teegray1124he's already accomplished more than Rodgers.
The only two guys above Mahomes are Brady and Montana
Rather than talk about whether he belongs at the table with the all-time greats can we talk about the fact that he’s literally following in Brett Favre’s footsteps from burning bridges in Green Bay to having a disastrous stint with the Jets and by the time next season starts he’ll be signing a contract with the Vikings
Your entire paragraph is bogus. Brett Favre was already gon after the first year. So make up some other bull
Wouldn’t be surprised if
Lmao!!
You don't have a clue what you're talking about
That's on my bingo card
They need to stop asking James Jones about Aaron Rodgers. He cant be objective.
Right!😂
He's actually being very objective here. What Besides Mahomes and Brady which QB of the last 15 years is better than Rogers?
@@maskedman5657what part of GOAT do you not understand? Why are you limiting it to the past 15 years?
@@maskedman5657 rodgers is the most talented, but not the best or a goat. Heck, mahomes can do what aaron rodgers can do and went to 4 SBs. Nobody saying he is a bad QB or mid. But over these years he haven't got it done. And he supposed to be the most talented. The playoffs matter. Just like dak and lamar.
@@prestigev6131 Y'all ninjas are so ignorant. The title says goat table. Which is highlighting the best players of all time. Which he is. Learn to read and stop trying to argue semantics
What he didnt mention is that Peyton Manning went to 4 superbowls and changed the QB position on a mental level thats also y he is at the table along with stats
One of the GREATS? Yup
One of the GOATS? Absolutely not.
Statisticsally he is THE Goat
@@landongray8687huh? Dude is 40k passing yards behind Tom. Peyton has the better single season, and more great years.
@@thatstheway2429 yes but look at the more advanced stats, he has the #1 and #2 records for passer rating in a season, he has better stats in the playoffs and regular season than tom, highest career passer rating all time, he is 5th in all time pasing tds not to mention everyone else in the top 8 has played at LEAST 2 more seasons than him
@@landongray8687 Aaron Rodgers is 6th all time in passer rating in the playoffs.
Patrick Mahomes is 1st.
Wouldn’t that make Mahomes statistically better?
Their regular season passer rating is identical (difference of 0.1).
Brady has the greatest QBR in a season ever.
Mahomes has spent 47% of his career as the QB with the best ELO. Aaron Rodgers 10%. Brady 14%.
Yes if you pick and choose your statistics, you can make a case for Rodgers but it’s not cut and dry. If anyone is the best statistically, it’s Mahomes.
If you factor in playoff statistics, Mahomes is running away with it, being that as great as his regular season statistics are he gets even better in the playoffs, against tougher competition.
@@thatstheway2429 what about the fact that aaron rodgers has played 15 seasons and has 105 interceptions
Or that he easily has the highest TD-INT ratio of all time?
Maybe Mahomes is better than rodgers statistically but rodger is definitely better than brady can we agree that?
James Jones Is Right when he said he's not Joe Montana. He's wrong when he said Aaron Rodgers is better than Joe Montana
He does everything better than Montana other than have Jerry freakin Rice, Bill freak Walsh, shall I go on how the 9er’s of the 80’s were stupid loaded? I don’t need to … I’m sure you get it.
@@214-v4gMontana played in a manly era compared to the soft era Rodgers is currently a part of
@@214-v4g Montana won two Superbowls before Rice and was gertting clobbered. No flags.
@@hitek9too255shhhhh , we can’t talk about that. We get hit with the classic “ your a hater “ ( usually anyway ) . 😂🤣😂 Montana , before Brady , was in a league of his own .in order for Montana to get kicked off of Rushmore , when mahomes retires , another mahomes needs to pop up . Good luck with that . In no order , Brady , Montana , Manning , Mahomes . Before Mahomes , rogers had an argument . But with mahomes , rogers is locked out of the top 4 . Too 10? Absolutely . Top 4? No way no how .
@@jonathancruz7848yup.
I can entertain arguments by people that think Rodgers is ahead of Manning, but he’s not touching the top 3.
Mahomes is laughing at this argument
Mahomes can stop winning Superbowls now because they don't matter any more just skill and mvps
@@robertschoelerman7496a rod didn't have the talent that that pat had. Is he great yes. Does he have better talent that Rodgers ever have. Oh heck yeah.
@@robertschoelerman7496one more Mahomes Sb can supplant him. More MVP’s would be nice.
@@IrishNE40 Feels like Kelce needs to retire and then Mahomes gets stuck with his 2023 weapons and 2019 defense to get the credit he is due. Gonna be entertaining watching you guys continue to move the goal post on why he is so successful as the roster continues to change and he keeps winning. First it was Tyreek, then he won league MVP and back to back superbowls, now its Kelce and Andy even though they accomplished nothing in the post season with Alex Smith, whats it gonna be next?
@@burner20681 Andy Reid just needed a competent QB. To run his offense to a tee. He was the greatest coach without a ring. I think Reid has a little part in it. As well as Kelce.
I want to agree with James but he's strawmanning hard right now. No one brings up Eli with the GOATs.
Exactly lol unless someone is trolling us, Pats fans, nobody gives af about Eli.
He only brought up Eli when they were talking about super bowls. They're holding super bowls against Rogers, but that's what he's saying. There's other people with more super bowls that wasn't better. So why go by super bowls when other people have won multiple that aren't that great js
@@K.DatBamaBoi because the ones in goat conversations have elite play combined with longevity and multiple rings.
@@K.DatBamaBoi yeah but nobody brings up Eli or Aikman as a Goat. So when compared to the greatest quarterbacks of all time, he does fall a little short due to a lack of success. Either winning matters or it doesn't, he's definitely a bit more talented than some in that top 4-5 but they all won substantially more than him so if you're going to bring up a Manning let it be Peyton because no one puts Eli over Rodgers (no one brings up Terry Bradshaw either and he has 4 so it's not like we're docking him a lot he just isn't mount Rushmore great)
All post 2000 QBs are the GOATs............ Please. John Elway has 5 AFC Titles and 2 Super Bowls. And rating Rodgers on anything other than football is silly.
His last two Super Bowl appearances and first two wins came in his last two seasons. Aaron is still playing
Exactly
@@connieq2811 And his first three Super Bowls came with him playing with how many HOF players. And I forgot Warren Moon. Spent the first four years playing in Canada and won 5 Grey Cups in a row (1979-82), then went on to have an NFL HOF career. The GOAT debate is (to me) stupid. What does peak Marino, Elway, or Moon look like playing today. How successful is a peak Rodgers, Brees or Mahomes in a 1980s league. I think we put too much emphasis on who is the best to play the game when the game keeps changing. Instead, we should be looking at All Decade Teams. Measuring players against their peers makes more sense (to me). Thanks for responding.
Yet everyone agreed that Rodgers is no worst than 7th. Average was basically 5th.
If you would have said 20 years ago that Aaron Rodgers is going to be one of the most talented quarterbacks you've ever seen but he will only win won super bowl in 20 years and never even get to another one you would find that hard to believe. But here we are and honestly the NFC really hasn't had any quarterbacks better than him so it really shouldn't have been that hard for him to get back.
Facts
Bad packers management
@@ADUSNPeople don't understand just how bad it was. Rodgers and Brees have one first round pick at WR put together. The success they had as passers in spite of that is crazy.
@@ADUSNbad play by Rodgers in live or die situations where you have to put your own body on the line, too.
I still believe Brees was better but he was even more unlucky and had worse rosters than AROD. He definitely had at least 2 MVPs stolen from him during his career. But yeah aside from Brees, Rodgers was far and away the best qb in the NFC and consistently failed in the playoffs
When James speaks well of Aaron, its glazing. When Davante speaks well of Aaron, crickets.
Don’t even talk about Rodger’s sitting at the same table as Brady. He’s not even a top 5 qb of all time 😂😂😂
I have never heard one guy get so much credit for doing so little like rodgers does
You must be a bears fan lol
I love James Jones but he talks about Rogers like Shaddy talks about Eagles...bias
Nah James Jones is worse he literally sucks Aaron meat
Arguing about a QB with a single championship as an All time great!! GTFOH
Normally appreciate JJ over the others, but he's a glaze when it comes to Aaron Rogers. Dude needs an MVP season and another Super Bowl to be at the GOAT table. And he's got, what three years max to do that?
Steve Young Super Bowl 29 was phenomenal. 6 TD’s.
Aaron Rodgers does not deserve to sit at the big boy table when it comes to quarterbacks. He has had opportunities to win multiple Super Bowl rings but ultimately choked in the playoffs. In his last 2 years in Green Bay, he was a league MVP and was in playoff games where they were close enough to win if he had played better. He had the loss against Tampa where he could have ran it in but instead chose it to throw an errant pass to Devante Adams and then proceeded to lose the next year to the San Francisco 49ers in a game where he didn't score an offensive touchdown. The regular season stats are great, but they are pretty much empty calories if you don't perform in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers can go down as a great regular season quarterback, but I don't think he can ever be considered the G.O.A.T.
Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps way better then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp
2015 NFC championship
Seahawks 28 Packers 22
Aaron Rodgers 1 td and 2 ints only 178 passing yards and 55.8 passer rating CHOKED away a 16-0 lead when Green Bay defense 4 ints, 1 force fumble, 5 turnovers, 5 sacks
2015 NFL Superbowl
Patriots 28 Seahawks 24
Tom Brady 4 tds and 2 ints and 328 yards and 101.1 passer rating and CLUTCH came back from down 24-14 to win 4th ring and 3rd superbowl mvp vs same team that beat Aaron Rodgers in NFC championship game
Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps already greater Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp
5 NFC championship games
Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER
Greatest Quarterbacks all time
1. Tom Brady
2. Joe Montana
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Peyton Manning
5. John Elway
My question is… why do we never talk about Rodgers playoff losses. I know AVID Packers fans who expected the Packers to choke every year just like the Cowboys, and just like that criticism falls on Dak, the fact that’s the perception of your team falls on Rodgers. Thats why he CANT be in the Goat convo because he is the reason they’ve lost most of their playoff games.
Peyton played in 4 superbowls, Rodgers played in 1.
They not the same
But was peyton the best player in any of those superbowls?? Nope. He shouldnt have won superbowl MVP in his first and did nothing in the rest of them. Almost like it takes a team rather than a player to get to a superbowl.
@@MitchTsugi he was the best player in those superbowls except the last one. The Seattle game the offensive line couldn't block because it was dealing with injuries. The Saints superbowl they lost that game on an onside kick. That's what changed that game and Wayne quit on a route and the ball got intercepted. People tend to have revisionist history on stuff.
@@percybedford6266 na dominic Rhodes averaged over 5 yards a carry with a td and over 100 yards while peyton had an 80 passer rating. Against the Seahawks they allowed only one sack and peyton threw 2 horrible picks that had nothing to do with the oline. Against the saints that wasnt on reggie Wayne the route was jumped by Db and the onside kick did nothing for a 3 point lead. Peyton mad overrated and mediocre in all superbowls he played
@@MitchTsugithe run lanes were open because of Peyton come on now.
The GOAT List:
1. Brady (undisputed)
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Mahomes (yes already)
5. Brees
6. Elway
7. Rodgers
8. Marino
Ok ok this is close!
Mine is Brady, Montana, elway, Manning, mahomes, Rogers, brees, and Marino. That's my order. I totally agree with you. I would add troy akman as #9 and big ben 10
@@JesusOrtiz-b6p yeah Big Ben was definitely in my head when I typed this list
Bart Starr had five NFL championships (1961-62, 1965-67) and two Super Bowl wins (I and II).
Aaron Rodgers: Super Bowl XLV.
He has underachieved. He has won 4 mvps and is 1-4 in NFC championship games. Has been surrounded by talent his entire career.
BRO OK HE HAD 4 MVPs THATS COOOL BUT ASK HIM HOW MANY MVPs would he trade for SB rings?
Aaron is no Mahomes... couldn't even carry #15's jock strap
Yet he has the higher career passer rating.
@@ryanmelton3679 15 has accomplished more in a third of the time
That’s a joke of a statement
@@Chandelier_Musicwhats crazy is mahomes could have another 20 years if lucky.. like its unfathomable what he will do this whole new career..
@@ryanmelton3679why Rodgers can't have this high passer rating when he play good teams
Drew Brees had more 5000 yard season than Rodgers & The higher completion percentage 🤦🏾♂️
look at the pass attempts in those seasons and compare them ...
@@datmann-dm1bs look at the defenses & rosters and compare them..
How many mvps Brees have
@@princecheck11 brees and rodgers had bad defenses .. saints defense toward the end of brees carreer was good 2017-2020, both had decent weapons on offense
@@willhall4209 exactly he was never better than aaron the yrds and completion% where product pass attempts andsean paytons offense
JJ trippin 😂. A Rod with Brady at a table “if” he gets a second ring. Come on now. He’s behind Bradshaw, Montana, Mahomes, and Peyton to name a few.
You have to play with a complete teams. How many times has rodgers had a top 10 defense....IL wait. In the past 7 years, the cheifs have had 4 seasons with top 10 defense, 2 seasons where they are middle of the pack at 15, and 16, and one season at 24th. We not even gone talk about brady, he pretty much went his whole career with a top 10 defense. Rodgers has had a top 10 defense just twice with the packers. Look at peyton manning 8 times. But when you have other great QBs like drew Brees, and mathew Stafford and Aaron rodgers who all have a ring, guess what they all have in common. They all only had a top 10 defense only one or two times in their whole career. You need a good defense to win the chip man
@@navyglass1242Nice try, but mahomes won 2 sb’s with much worse defenses than rodgers or brees ever hade during their sb runs. He already disproved that casual take 😂
Bradshaw 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And he dissed Aikman. Aikman beat Brett Farve, Steve Young, and Jim Kelly TWICE and plasyed when QBs were getting clobbered with no flags.
Hes not behind Manning. Did u see Manning his last year? 🥫. If u wanna say it's cause he won a SB then u better love Bradshaw cause he got 4. Bradshaw was a average qb at best, check the numbers and watch his games. If u saying it's cause Manning got mvps then u saying u like Rodgers at that table too.
Im sorry but Eli won the most important wins with less talent they weren't viewed as elite until they won as underdogs is more impressive than what Rodgers did
One guy may or may not make the Hall of Fame even with two rings and one is a unanimous first ballot selection. Rodgers is the better player and it's not close.
@@ryanmelton3679 bet u Eli gets to the hall of Fame and Eli beat Brady twice something mahomes never did
Beat Brady's Superteam.
@@robertschoelerman7496that's the dumbest take I have ever heard. Mahomes running for his life in one and never saw the football in OT because of patty cake defense
Based on James Jones take, Tony Romo should be at that table too. 😂
James bruh, you are way too emotional about another man. Not a good look
Same way how Shady is to Josh Allen
That onside kick game against Seattle his defense got him 5 or 6 turnovers and he got them 22 points. It never shoulda came down to an onside kick!! I can't believe people still bring that up to vindicate him.
The Elway disrespect
Makes me sick, especially considering Elway went to 5 Superbowls and was playing when QBs got demolished.
All I know is … if Rodgers at that table then bress need to be there too
Brady is on his own table 😂😂😂😂
Not at all. He can thank Bill for overwhelming support.
@@214-v4g talking about qbs alone s 😆😆😆 coach Bill has his own table at coaching duh dam ur d
@@joselopez-pv7nc ok senior Lopez 😆😆😆
Yea the table of whinning, crying at refs, cheating, deflating footballs, hiding cellphones, getting carried by his defense and kicker, the Tuck Rule, rule changes to help him, and playing in a cupcake division.
@@hitek9too255 sure what ever floats ur delusional boat🤣🤣🤣
There is only one seat at the goat table, this isn't musical chairs where everyone gets a turn, and we all know who it is. This type of discussion is an exercise in futility based on boredom.
Bro we get it. James jones is an aaron rodgers glazer lol
Is his take wrong at all though? He’s saying why do we never talk stats and talent the discussion is only based on Super Bowls
He isn't wrong though Eli has 2 rings if your judging what qb is better by how many team achievements they have that would literally mean Eli is better than rodgers Brees favre and Marino judging the better qb by how many rings the have is the most casual thing you can do
Eli Manning...
TWO Superbowl trophies...
TWO SUPERBOWL TROPIES... Against a QB named Tom Brady... Every hear of him?
(Eli, the ONLY QB who beat, and will EVER beat Tom Brady.)
I would take Elway, Aikman, Marino over Rodger’s. Rodger’s is around 8th or 9th all time
Aikman? Lmao. No one would take him, unless he comes with the 3 sb teams he won with. Cause he was mega average. Winning a SB doesn't increase how good the player is. Would u take McCoy over Sanders cause he got two rings? Uh no. Look up what McCoy did with the bucs and chiefs and his contributions to those rings. 0.
Ur braindead 😂😂
Elway was inconsistent and he was a choker
@@markjones2518True, but Rodgers is the ultimate choker.
@@junehanzawa5165 he didn’t have a good defense
I disagree that Aaron is better than Marino. It was also a different game in the 80’s and 90’s.
I’m upset that shady ain’t there 😂
It would've been great,😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Hey man the McCoys are on vacation 😂😂😂
At least shady said jalen has a lot to prove. I mean James can say a few things that aaron needs to do. We ain't telling him he got to bash the guy.
If Arron Rodgers deserves to be at the goat table so does every other QB who has one superbowl
Lmaoo casual google stats please in compare rodgers against every other qb in history if team achievements (superbowls) put you at the goat table that mean you might as well say Eli is better than rodgers Brees favre and Marino because he has more bowls
@@skwillie7163Eli was no scrub
@RobertJohnson-zk1ye Eli had great defenses a couple of good career moments but he isn't at top 20 all time qb
What abt Drew Brees. He's easily comparable to Rodgers too
James jones has a romantic relationship with Rodgers. 😅😅😅😅
Saying the only guy who is as gifted a thrower as Rodgers is Mahomes 🤦🏽♂️ like DAN MARINO didn’t exist smh
Of course he is definitely part of the greatest individual player of all time table. But unfortunately you would be judged off of super bowls because its a team sport. It aint fair if he is keft out.
Its difficult for the novice audience and biased people to understand the difference and include both the individual great and team great in the GOATtable.
Tell that to the nba fans
The GOAT table includes Superbowl wins though Rodgers is a all time great QB no one will dispute that but we can't say he's a all time great talent and not have the rings to prove it and for Rodgers I think it's more that he's never been to another Superbowl more than winning another Superbowl
@@Renegade-kf8fp nba nah man. That s a pretty brainwashed space right there. I am good thx🙏
@@evileyevalaussome players get trapped in inferior organizations.
I understand, there's more pressure on QBs than everyone else, but there's only so much a great QB can overcome, in what is still the ultimate team sport. Not all of Rodgers' playoff losses are on him either. Gb's defense has been good once when he won his championship, and terrible to average every other year he started.
Mahomes defense was only good last season other than that they been horrible until the playoffs they were mid at best. I'm tired of hearing Roger's only had 1 good defense.
Brady Mahomes Montana Manning. Those are the 4. Rodgers misses the Mount Rushmore of QBs.
James, you’re smarter than. No one is saying Eli can be there cause of two Super Bowls. There are saying the greatest have multiple Super bowls, appearances, and have performed at the highest level in the regular season and postseason more than they haven’t
But winning itself has nothing to do with a single player. Johnny unitas, joe montana, john elway, neither has been better than Rodgers in the the regular season or besides montana in the playoffs. You look at winning rather than the player single stats. Montana had a stacked roster than was able to keep winning without him. Dont compare superbowl wins to single player acalodes
@@MitchTsugiWell Aaron Rodgers hasn’t lived up to his 4 MVPs in the playoffs I bet James won’t disagree with that
@@MitchTsugiqbs more than any position in the game have a massive affect on winning. That’s why we rightly judge guys based on Ws and Ls. Not the sole factor, but a huge one nonetheless
@@MitchTsugiqbs more than any position in the game have a massive affect on winning. That’s why we rightly judge guys based on Ws and Ls. Not the sole factor, but a huge one nonetheless
@@prestigev6131 wrong it's more if the team than the qb and we have recent evidence. Look at Matthew Stafford who never won anything with Detroit and moves to LA and wins a ring. Look at how the niners took 2 different qbs in a short span from JIMMY G to brock purdy into the superbowl. There are very very very few qbs that can have the majority of the impact to take a team to the superbowl. Very few.
The thing about the GOAT conversation is that there is no actual way to define it and that goes in any sport. Cause if a certain player fits your own individual definition of the GOAT, then that’s who you gonna argue for. Thats why everyone asks who is “your goat” in these shows to spark arguments
in the goat debate, it's a combination of everything: talent, statistical dominance, and accolades. when you have a handful of qbs with multiple mvps and chips and one qb with multiple mvps and one ring, naturally that one qb will be behind the others. rodgers is elite and a top 10 qb in history, but he's not top 5
What about fortitude & leadership? Rodgers is lacking in those areas.
They don't even put John Elway in the goat discussion. Trust me he was a better quarterback. Look at the teams he took to the Super Bowl. Put him on the Packers at the time Aaron Rodgers was with them. He may be the goat
I'm not a Saints fan, but I would fight anyone to the death who say Aaron Rodgers belongs to the GOAT table more than Drew Brees.
Rodgers does though and it ain't even close.
@@noflyzone2307
Actually it is close both Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees in same tier both 1 ring playoff chokers neither top 5 all time or at table with goat 🐐 Brady
@StoneCold2k57 Rings are a teams accolade. It always has been, only new era fanboys and people that dont know football uses this arguments as if it's an individual award bc none of you would put someone like Eli above most QB legends with only 1 ring. Y'all are the same ones that don't apply the same stupid logic when it comes to other positions if we were to bring up where someone like Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, or Barry Sanders ranks. As for Tom Brady I can easily shut that arguments down. When it comes to being the best to do it at the QB position. Aaron Rodgers is the best "quarterback" the league has ever seen.
@@noflyzone2307
Nobody cares to hear the team game BS excuses when both Rodgers and Brees had great teams around them and both Choked in playoffs multiple times and like I said both in same tier neither top 5 all time Quarterbacks and not on level of the goat 🐐 Brady, Montana, Mahomes top 3 QBs all time and clutch in playoffs leading they teams to multiple rings
@@noflyzone2307
Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps better Quarterback all time then yo boy friend Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp
James Jones must be getting paid by Rodgers to make him sound better than he is…Rodgers isn’t even in Steve Young’s level, let alone Montana’s level.
Steve led the league in completion percentage 5 times, TD passes 4 times, INT percentage 2 times, yards per attempt 5 times, yards per game 2 times, passer rating 6 times, has 6 All Pros, has 2 season MVPs and 1 Super Bowl MVP with his 1 Super Bowl, but has 3 rings.
Whereas Rodgers led the league in completion percentage 1 time, TD passes 2 times, INT percentage 6 times (that a plus for Rodgers), yards per attempt 1 time, yards per game 0 times, passer rating 4 times, has 4 All Pros, has 4 season MVPs (that’s a plus for Rodgers) and 1 Super Bowl MVP with his 1 Super Bowl win.
Out of 10 of the most important categories for QBs, Rodgers leads in 2, whereas Young leads in 6, and they tied in 2. And that’s before we get into the fact that Young is a top 5 rushing QB all time, whereas Rodgers isn’t a rushing QB of any kind.
Talent isn't anything without results we can all agree that rodgers is one of the best QBs ever and still say he didn't live up to his talent
He did tho. 9th all time passing yards , 6th all time TDs 5x all pro 4x MVP
@@dmvyn did he? 😂😂😂
11-10 playoffs record and 1 Superbowl ring back 12 yrs ago. What a success with his talent
@@appreciatealltheplayers481playoff wins and championships are a team stat. The only year GB's defense was any good, he won a championship. GB never drafted a WR in the first round his entire time there. Adams is the only one to sustain his dominance without Rodgers.
@@dmvynnotice how none of those stats say 1st, 2nd, or 3rd all time but the guys at this table insist he’s 1st all time in talent. That is the definition of not living up to your talent
@@zackhurwitz9441 Stop using the team excuse. Rodgers had plenty of chances to go to another team if he wanted to, but he always chose to get the bag in Green Bay. He also knew he had zero competition in that division, I mean the lions were the worst franchise in sports, bears next to worst, and vikings were ok but never great. He owned that division, so that's where most of those high win years come from. But in the playoffs he's playing against REAL teams and he choked every time. We can't ignore that. His interception and other faults increase significantly in the playoffs every time. The GOATS play well consistently in regular season and playoffs and sometimes will the team to victory.
Dan Marino didn't win a ring, but he's right there in the GOAT conversation. He never had a 1000 yard rusher, except one season when someone ran for 1001 yards. Only twice did he have a top ten defence(and in one of those years he went to the big game, and the other to the AFC Championship). All the other GOAT contestants had great coaches, weapons, or defences (an in Montana's case, all three).
This is a team game, and some QBs do more with less. This is why Mount Rushmore shouldn't have some of the QBs on it (Elway, Montana) that people always put on it.
People also seem to forget he dint play in the offense friendly QB protected era. (All current numbers are hyper-inflated) He retired with something like 25 passing records and was tied for 5 others.
No. He is one of the most talented for sure no doubt. but his ACCOLADES don’t come close. The Goat Table in my opinion has 3 valid names Mahomes, Brady and Montana. That’s it. Everybody else is a clear step below.
Facts
@@Renegade-kf8fpMahomes is great but he’s not sitting at the GOAT table just yet for his era. If he can give 4-6 more years of similar stats then we can start talking about GOAT status for his era.
@@arkadious9320
Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps in 6 seasons and 15-3 record he's at goat table and only Quarterbacks above him goat 🐐 Brady and Montana so try again
Brady Montana and Manning.
I look at mahomes as troy akman or big ben
Jim Kelly led Buffalo to four Super Bowls. In his NFL career, Jim Kelly put up numbers that place him among the game's greatest passers. Yet y'all didn't even mention him. But you mention Marino with his 1appearance. Why? Because Kelly didn't win any super bowls? But he led his team there 4 times. This is why it's hard to listen to you "experts" making all that money talking all that opinionated BS. Oh, And I am a Jet fan who hates the Bills (and Miami and the Pats) Here's an idea, turn off the comments or give us some residuals for contributing to the argument.
Lol
Less than 3 minutes in and James has lost me already talking about Aaron Rodgers is better than Super Joe Montana! That is preposterous! I guarantee you that if you polled the greatest NFL players of all time and asked them who would they choose Rodgers or Montana.. it would be a landslide for #16 from San Francisco! And I’m saying this as a lifelong Dallas Cowboys fan! Aaron is overrated and had his chances to show and prove! He’s not the guy in the clutch!
BWAHAHA, do you know who Jerry Rice is?
Not as much as the overrated Cowboys who hasn't won anything in 25 years.
@@hitek9too255 I can’t argue with that either unfortunately 😡
@@shivakrishnarama I guess you’re saying that Jerry made Montana? 🤔
@@BeyBrightOfficial Montana won two Superbowls without Rice.
No. Gifted thrower but he’s still at the kids table.
You're a clown. You don't know football.
With 4 MVPs and and a SB MVP?!! Are you kidding me?!
Lions bears or cowboy fan?
@@charnelveil669one Super Bowl victory and one appearance ? It’s only two people at the goat table: Brady and Montana .
He gets to eat at the coffee table in the living room with some friends brought home from college but he's definitely not at the grownups table. Can't be that mediocre in the playoffs and be talked about in GOAT convos.
No. I'm a Packers fan and why are we lowering the goat bar always
Shady is needed in this debate.
Why? So he can try and hold SBs over Rodgers' head, like he contributed to them in any way?
Shady ruins the show
@@zackhurwitz9441he still a better player than James Jones so now what
@@jaliancasey5409 James Jones was actually active in his SBs, and played with Aaron Rodgers. Jones led the league in TDs playing with Rodgers.
Shady gasses Brady like he was out there with him.
@@zackhurwitz9441 that’s cool Shady didn’t get drafted to a team with a QB like Rodgers put he was better at his position than James was and still got the accolades and hardware at the end
Lmao James jones is trippin. Dude said if Rodgers gets another ring, he’ll be with Brady. Last time I check 7 is a lot more than 2. I don’t care how much talent he got over Brady. That talent don’t = 5 Super Bowl rings
Id take, Manning, Brady, Mahomes, Elway, Montana, and Big Ben over Rogers.
>big ben
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& Brees
You never played
And thats why you dont make any important manegerial decisions
@@ADUSNBig Ben has more team success than Rodger’s and also has a better record than Rodger’s in the playoffs. Soo how is that a bad answer?
Thanks for doing more and more stories on Rodgers. It makes getting through the show quicker because as soon as I see it’s about him I hit the fast forward button
If you truly don't believe Arod is one of the Goats then your football opinion is trash and your opinion shouldn't be taken seriously. Stick to Hockey
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Then big ben is one of the goats he has more playoff wins than Aaron and if we being honest josh Allen is more gifted than Rodgers and has a better arm
@@reese854king yeah and Trent dilfers better than marino by that logic. More Super Bowl wins🤡
Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps better Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp and a playoff game CHOKER 1-4 losing record in 5 NFC championship games
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Mahomes
4. P. Manning
That’s it!
Aaron is a top 5 QB and a top 20 player overall in NFL history and he still isn’t on the same level as Mahomes let alone someone like Brady
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He ain't top 5! Brady, Mahommes, Montana, Peyton, Elway, Brees are just a few. Then we can argue about Big Ben, Marino, Brett Favre. Id put AR somewhere between Ben and Stafford.
You're nuts! Top 5? He's not even top 10!
Bart Starr was better than Aaron Rodgers.
Or Montana
Honesty, this is the first time I've watched 'Speak' in probably 6 months
What table is Dan Marino at?
Can’t be at the kiddie table when u dominate the league while Brady & manning were in it
Waiting table
Dan marino is at the big table to me. He was too good to put him at the kiddie table. Even along with super bowl winners. He's better than most of them.
@@universe-ie2mkapplies to Rodgers as well.
When was this Marino dominance over manning and Brady....🤔
@@twizzy585otsIKR I thought I was tripping when I read that..😂
I usually love James Jones’ takes but bro can’t be objective with Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers could literally kick Salah’s teeth out and James would justify it
How much is A A ron paying you JJ??? 😂😂😂
James knows the game.
I was with James Jones about Aaron being one of the best to ever do it, til it he said Rodgers was better than Joe Montana. That's just not true. Joe Montana is the best I have ever seen do it. Dan Marino is also one of the best to ever do it as well (Superbowl win or not).
Right! Even mahomes trying to surpass him.
No he doesn't belong in the goat conversation! It is pretty bizarre been he's only been to one super bowl bc he's good enough to get there but what does Aaron Rodgers have that Patrick mahomes doesn't have? Brady is just still the undisputed goat so there can't be a goat table either you are the goat or you're not.
Right! It's crazy because he haven't even been to another SB. He are they calling him a goat? Heck even mahomes made it the 3 SBs with a mid defense.
2 years before peyton broke both passing and touchdown records which still stand today. He did what he needed to do to win. Honestly I think that is more impressive than anything. He had a defense to finally lean on.
The reason Rodgers doesn't have as many rings as Brady is because unlike Brady Rodgers has only had 4 of his 15 seasons in GB with a top 10 defense one of those years he won the Lombardi trophy. Brady in 16 of his 19 seasons has had a top 10 defense. Defense wins championships and so do kickers in Brady's case.
Even still half of the losses he had in nfc games he was the reason why they lost
Special teams as well. 2 SEASONS SOLD CAUSE OF SPECIAL TEAMS WHICH IS INSANE, 2021 and 2014. Crazy
Brady beat Rodgers head to head on a new team to go ahead and get another ring. Let’s not do that 😂.
@@Cloud91738 The Packers defense was so great in that game that they forgot to play in the second half
Rodgers has 1 come from behind win in his last 21 playoff games he doesn't play well from behind an he doesn't play well in playoffs
Why do yall keep recycling topics?
For all the regular season success bad playoff production
Go look at the payoff production, and then when you realize that hes actually one of the best off all time in the playoffs, come back and apologize.
@@jring383 😂 what u talking about he has lost to the 49ers so many times, only has one bowl, not an all time great, some stumble into one the great ones have multiple
@@rainiermartinMan, Shady excuses is always sb and playoff wins. Rodgers, during his one sb run, meaning 4 games has MORE rushing yards than shady in his TWO sb runs with two different teams and 7 playoff games.
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5 NFC Championship games
Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER so nope you wrong
2022 NFC playoffs
49ers 13 Packers 10
Aaron Rodgers 0 td passes CHOKED after defense carried him
2023 NFC Playoffs
Chiefs 38 Eagles 35
Mahomes 3 tds and 0 ints and 96.4 QBR and Superbowl Mvp and carried his team to a ring when his defense was bad
Patrick Mahomes won 2 ring with the Chiefs 18th ranked defense
That's why I love having Mahomes he destroys all excuses for OVERRATED Rodgers
Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps already better Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp
Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps way better Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp
5 NFC championship games
Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER
Greatest Quarterbacks all time
1. Tom Brady
2. Joe Montana
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Peyton Manning
5. John Elway
Troy Aikman and John Elway *Honorable Mention*
Aikman, Elway, Montana, Bradshaw, Young, Cunningham, Moon, Farve would wreck this weak league.
He is the best ever. No other QB can do what he has done.
Idk
Mahomes clears
@@juultoo No he doesn't. You're a typical new age football fan that eats up the typical narrative without actually watching games. Formulate your own opinion and stop parroting what sports media tells you.
@@lukehainstock8281 lol, lmao
@@juultoo That's right...just laugh cause you know I'm right.
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Mahomes
4. Manning
5. Brees
6. Aaron Rodgers
7. Marino
Brees was never looked at as the best QB in the league like some of the other guys on the list.
Well said James Jones. Marino and Rodger’s two of the greatest ever without any doubt.
FACTS JAMES JONES , GREATEST EVER
Fact you need help
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Goat 🐐 Brady 7 rings, 5 superbowl mvps way better then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp
2015 NFC championship
Seahawks 28 Packers 22
Aaron Rodgers 1 td and 2 ints only 178 passing yards and 55.8 passer rating CHOKED away a 16-0 lead when Green Bay defense 4 ints, 1 force fumble, 5 turnovers, 5 sacks
2015 NFL Superbowl
Patriots 28 Seahawks 24
Tom Brady 4 tds and 2 ints and 328 yards and 101.1 passer rating and CLUTCH came back from down 24-14 to win 4th ring and 3rd superbowl mvp vs same team that beat Aaron Rodgers in NFC championship game
Mahomes 3 rings, 3 superbowl mvps already greater Quarterback then Rodgers 1 ring, 1 superbowl mvp
5 NFC championship games
Aaron Rodgers 9 tds and 8 ints and 1-4 losing record a playoff game CHOKER
Greatest Quarterbacks all time
1. Tom Brady
2. Joe Montana
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Peyton Manning
5. John Elway
We can all agree Aaron Rodgers is one of the best ever. He was a generational talent
James Jones has absolutely lost his mind 😂😂😂 this is ridiculous
Rodger’s highlight film is just different man. He puts the football In the perfect spot for the receivers
We know James will say dat simple
Wilt Chamberlain only has two titles but to me he is the goat. He owns the NBA record book.
Jordan fans are going to hound you
@@Renegade-kf8fp I’m sure they will.
MONTANA 4-0 SB RECORD W 3SBMVPS
He's undoubtedly a Top 5 QB overall. The funny thing is all these comments seem like they come from people who don't really know football. The whole panel agreed on the topic and there are people saying James is being ridiculous. That makes no sense. Rodgers is the highest rated passer of all-time and a Super Bowl MVP. He's far and away the best QB with one championship (which is a team stat anyway)...If Dan Marino is (and he is) a Top 10 QB then Rodgers can be no lower than 5th. Top 10 is an absolute no brainer.
Wait till they find out rodgers is one of the best playoff qb's ever statistically
Never thought I see you here
It's really hard for me to put a lot of the modern QBs along with the others, bc so much has changed. Whether it be rules, and being more of a pass friendly. You can't touch the qb, wr like they used to so in a way, it's not like life flashing before your eyes as soon as you catch the ball. To me a lot of stats are overinflated bc of that.
The ability for Aaron to drop dimes for major yards is insane. As a Cowboys fan, I hate him, but I would take him over Dak in a heartbeat.
Aaron, Eli, Warner, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino are at the kiddy table
I expected the glazing from his old teammate haha