The post rehab 1000 series used the exact same propulsion as the Breda a650 cars 531-604, which is 4 General Electric 5geb 3 phase, 4 pole, asynchronous ac traction drives with gto inverters.
@@plushynoob3463 1996-2005. The chimes were replaced in 2006 by a faster and lower chime which sounds like E2-C2 repeated twice followed by the doors closing announcement. This was because the MTA claimed exclusive rights to the 1996 chimes. The 7000 series and the upcoming 8000 series use a D3-G2 chime that sounds once before every door opening and closing announcement.
The R44/R46 door chimes were replaced between 2006 and 2008 with a low-pitched faster version of those chimes that are sounded twice before the doors close. A door opening beep using the first note of that chime repeated twice was also added, as well as the forced door closing beep using the second note of that chime repeated four times. The 7000 series and all future trains on the metro use a two-note digitized chime for all door opening and closing announcements, as well as a single beep preceding operator announcements.
The 7000's also have a forced door close announcement, which is a version of the old 4-Note chime but using a pitched down version of the normal 7K beep.
I know that the 1000 series got discontinued but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Four General Electric propulsion have to go away. That propulsion though could be used on the new 8000 series trains
@@sockfetishguy7708the GE propulsion system technology is unfortunately way outdated. I don't think they'd go back to it just to sate our nostalgia bug.
@@chaohwac So let me get this straight, 1000 Series Cars = NYC Chime 2000/3000 Series Cars = First Generation WMATA Chime 4000 Series Cars = Second Generation WMATA Chime I need to know for a game project I'm making
@@chaohwac Also do you have any more 90s wmata footage? Footage is how I get my sound effects for my trains, If you have any it'd be much appreciated you can reach me at virginiatory42@gmail.com
What model train is that that makes the low pitched buzzing when it’s moving? Good example is at the 2:06 mark. I’ve been curious as to what model that is for quite a while now.
Breda 3000 series. The buzz you hear is from the chopper device that controls the voltage given to the motors, affecting speed in the process. They use DC (Direct Current) traction motors. Ever since then, those car series have been rebuilt with AC motors and no longer make that buzzing sound.
This is 10 years and 2 months before I was born and this the subway of my birth town :D plus I am surprised that the WMATA 1000 around this time has a MTA door chime
can someone tell me some details about two sounds that were umbiquous on metrorail that I am hearing here that you do not hear anymore. first one is the howl, sort of like a jet engine, that changes pitch, rising when accellerating, and falling when decelerating, but occurs in stages, like the train is upshifting and downshifting. since its electric, I didnt think the trains had transmission gearboxes like auomobiles do though. the second one is a buzzing noise that is pretty much continuous in frequency and pitch whenever the train is moving and can be heard inside and outside. I imagine this has something to do with a PWM speed controller for the motors, but is this noise generated by mechanical reeds or relays producing the pulsing for the controller?
The first train has AC motors coupled with transistor technology to generate and artificial DC wave. The reason being that while AC motors are more efficient, AC current isn't as smooth. The transistor technology is called a GTO inverter, and the sound is a byproduct of how it was programed. It's programmed to send current to the motors by turning on and off 100s of times a second, pulsing from positive to negative, creating a sine wave, one that gets faster as more current is delivered to the motor. That's what makes the "howling" noise. The "gear changes" you hear are some of the transistors staying off as more and more current is delivered as to not explode the motor while still delivering more current. This part of the technology is called a variable frequency drive. The first train you heard uses a GTO-VVVF system made by GE. Apologies if I missed anything. This was very confusing to me when I learned this, but it was really cool. The second one with the buzzing sound is from an old school Westinghouse propulsion system. I'm not entirely sure how those work compared to a GTO.
The Breda 4k series used Westinghouse 1462 DC propulsion system. Since Breda 3k was similar to Breda 4k in terms of DC propulsion system, Breda 3k may have used Westinghouse as well.
probably the older camera equipment. also, lighting tech has improved. the station was probably lit with older florescent or mercury vapor lamps, whereas its lit with LED now.
I never knew that the 1000 series had a R46 closing chime
Me neither.
Same me too.
Me netither.
It kinda messes with my head to hear an NYC subway sounding door chime then an LA Red Line sounding propulsion
Same
WMATA is older than the LA Subway
Try listening to a Boston door chime with a Red Line propulsion, oh wait
The post rehab 1000 series used the exact same propulsion as the Breda a650 cars 531-604, which is 4 General Electric 5geb 3 phase, 4 pole, asynchronous ac traction drives with gto inverters.
That's what I thought when I heard the LA Metro for the first time.
I was like "whoa that sounds like my train!"
I miss that buzzing sound omg and when the train takes off lol
I love the fact that 1000s had the MTA door chime. How long did they have them for?
By the late 90’s probably.
@@plushynoob3463 1996-2005. The chimes were replaced in 2006 by a faster and lower chime which sounds like E2-C2 repeated twice followed by the doors closing announcement. This was because the MTA claimed exclusive rights to the 1996 chimes. The 7000 series and the upcoming 8000 series use a D3-G2 chime that sounds once before every door opening and closing announcement.
@@SigmaRho2922 I love Virginia
Me too
1976-1996 with no voice and 1996-2006 with an unknown voice
2006-present Randi Miller voice
0:02 That door chime sound like the NYC Subway car. Like the r62/r62a r68/r68a r46 and r44
The R44/R46 door chimes were replaced between 2006 and 2008 with a low-pitched faster version of those chimes that are sounded twice before the doors close. A door opening beep using the first note of that chime repeated twice was also added, as well as the forced door closing beep using the second note of that chime repeated four times. The 7000 series and all future trains on the metro use a two-note digitized chime for all door opening and closing announcements, as well as a single beep preceding operator announcements.
The 7000's also have a forced door close announcement, which is a version of the old 4-Note chime but using a pitched down version of the normal 7K beep.
Actually, the R44/46 chimes were replaced between 1997-2000, when there became a new chime. And that new chime got replaced in 2006-07.
1:58 people were just so nice back then
I know now in days everyone is just so rude
There are people who were rude then and people who are nice now so I don't know about what you guys are saying
That was before 9/11, society was more relaxed then.
Not anymore.
@@KevinQ1989thank you 💯
Ah, the good old days, when you didn’t get a lecture every time the doors opened AND closed. 🤣
Lol
I like the lecture
Metro back in the good days! I love this video! Please post more!
I certainly do wish that the WMATA 8000 series trains use the same propulsion used on the 1000 series trains
I knowwwww
Will TheVideoMaker It was probably discontinued a long time ago though
I know that the 1000 series got discontinued but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Four General Electric propulsion have to go away. That propulsion though could be used on the new 8000 series trains
No way they're gonna. I just hope it at least sounds cool.
@@sockfetishguy7708the GE propulsion system technology is unfortunately way outdated. I don't think they'd go back to it just to sate our nostalgia bug.
What ever happened to that weird buzzing sound the metro train used to do when they would arrive at the station
After rehab, the buzzing sound from the Breda 3000s is gone forever.
@@chaohwac i miss that sound brings back so many childhood memories thanks for the videos
@@chaohwac So let me get this straight,
1000 Series Cars = NYC Chime
2000/3000 Series Cars = First Generation WMATA Chime
4000 Series Cars = Second Generation WMATA Chime
I need to know for a game project I'm making
ItsWAWGaming For the 4000 series, at first they had first generation chime like their 2000 and 3000 cousins.
@@chaohwac Also do you have any more 90s wmata footage? Footage is how I get my sound effects for my trains, If you have any it'd be much appreciated
you can reach me at virginiatory42@gmail.com
This is crazy, bro, I'm looking in a window back in time on my own system.
Everything's changed but nothing's changed.
Wonderful video! Lovin these old WMATA videos think you can post some more?
D_angiscool :D I will.
@@chaohwac Yay!!! Thanks so much
I ain't even know the rohrs had that propulsion at that time it thought it started in the 2000's.
this was right after the Rohrs completed rehabilitation
Yes, Metro started Rehabing the Rohrs in 1991 & this year I believe Metro started added the new door chime- "Doors Closing" Chime
I heard the "doors opening" and "doors closing" door chimes back in the early 2000s.
Me too. I was a friggin toddler.
man I miss the 90's and the 80's metro was cleaner and nicer then.
Thank You!
What model train is that that makes the low pitched buzzing when it’s moving? Good example is at the 2:06 mark. I’ve been curious as to what model that is for quite a while now.
Breda 3000 series. The buzz you hear is from the chopper device that controls the voltage given to the motors, affecting speed in the process. They use DC (Direct Current) traction motors.
Ever since then, those car series have been rebuilt with AC motors and no longer make that buzzing sound.
4:28 miss those old flip dot signs
R46 door Chime
This is 10 years and 2 months before I was born and this the subway of my birth town :D plus I am surprised that the WMATA 1000 around this time has a MTA door chime
This was nearly 5 months after I was born. A lot of this was around while I was still a kid.
That day. All WMATA subways were Rohrs and Bredas.
And this year, all subways are Kawasaki, Alstom, and Rehab Bredas
I woulda been riding this as I had my first job at the SEC as a mail person. Due to me having a summer job.
I was born 2 years later in April 25, 1998.
can someone tell me some details about two sounds that were umbiquous on metrorail that I am hearing here that you do not hear anymore. first one is the howl, sort of like a jet engine, that changes pitch, rising when accellerating, and falling when decelerating, but occurs in stages, like the train is upshifting and downshifting. since its electric, I didnt think the trains had transmission gearboxes like auomobiles do though. the second one is a buzzing noise that is pretty much continuous in frequency and pitch whenever the train is moving and can be heard inside and outside. I imagine this has something to do with a PWM speed controller for the motors, but is this noise generated by mechanical reeds or relays producing the pulsing for the controller?
The first train has AC motors coupled with transistor technology to generate and artificial DC wave. The reason being that while AC motors are more efficient, AC current isn't as smooth. The transistor technology is called a GTO inverter, and the sound is a byproduct of how it was programed. It's programmed to send current to the motors by turning on and off 100s of times a second, pulsing from positive to negative, creating a sine wave, one that gets faster as more current is delivered to the motor. That's what makes the "howling" noise. The "gear changes" you hear are some of the transistors staying off as more and more current is delivered as to not explode the motor while still delivering more current. This part of the technology is called a variable frequency drive. The first train you heard uses a GTO-VVVF system made by GE.
Apologies if I missed anything. This was very confusing to me when I learned this, but it was really cool.
The second one with the buzzing sound is from an old school Westinghouse propulsion system. I'm not entirely sure how those work compared to a GTO.
The first clip he is at metro center
1:45 it sound likes R110B
Yep
It’s sound like an R110A
It’s sounds like an R110A 2:05
The 1000 Series has the r46 door chime
Question what was the propulsion unit called on the classic non rehab Breda 3k series (buzzer) I cannot find it anywhere idk why sounds futuristic
The Breda 4k series used Westinghouse 1462 DC propulsion system. Since Breda 3k was similar to Breda 4k in terms of DC propulsion system, Breda 3k may have used Westinghouse as well.
Wow this was when Red Line trains only ran to Wheaton. Back then, did trains crossover on the tail tracks like they do at certain NYC subway stations?
elirosen1391 Although this is from 2006, it is still a good reference: ggwash.org/images/posts/201309-091115.gif
In 1996 I was in elementary school.
This is a Brooklyn Bound N train the next stop is Canal St stand clear
0:02
Back When Life Was Life
The 3000 series trains are now replaced with Alstom ones
Why is this station so damn dark
Maybe the style of DC Metrorail
@@chaohwac do still like or watch train content even though you stopped fanning since 2001
@@nycfanner_205 definitely, but I have a family now. It is hard to do railfanning these days
probably the older camera equipment. also, lighting tech has improved. the station was probably lit with older florescent or mercury vapor lamps, whereas its lit with LED now.
Any footage from Philadelphia?
SEPTATransitFan I think I have a Market-Frankfort line video.
Market-Frankfurt Line between 15th and 69th Street. That is the only video I have.
Chao-Hwa Chen awesome cant wait for the upload!
They had a 4000 series