iPong V300 Honest Review

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  • Опубликовано: 13 июн 2017
  • I've had the iPong V300 for a few days now and I am ready to give my final review. I love this thing! Should you get an iPong V300? Heck yeah, let me explain why in this video.
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Комментарии • 219

  • @k1kon145
    @k1kon145 4 года назад +36

    “These are friends who are really really bad at table tennis.”
    *I felt that.*

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  4 года назад

      OOF

    • @elftails
      @elftails Год назад

      Haha Its ok Tony, we knew you said that only to make your point.

  • @propoolguru352
    @propoolguru352 3 года назад +3

    great job Tony, thanks for showing how easy it is to assemble.

  • @jerushkadoesstuff189
    @jerushkadoesstuff189 4 года назад +2

    I would like to give some advise, for the forehand you should keep your elbow close to the body, not hitting haymakers. Also your backhand, instead of driving the ball like how a peholder would, use the forearm to go from side to side

  • @Jawkneed
    @Jawkneed Год назад +2

    Great review. Would you have any thoughts between the V300, the iPong Motion Trainer and the Robo Pong 2055 (or even the 2050)? I know the Robo Pong is the most expensive of the three choices, but not sure if the price tag is justified. Thank you!

  • @Daniel-qs6te
    @Daniel-qs6te 3 года назад

    That was a good video. I'm considering purchasing one of those machines, so thank you.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  2 года назад

      Of course! Your welcome!

  • @darkky65
    @darkky65 Месяц назад

    Great Video Tony, hopefully you still play table tennis even if only occasionally.
    that max setting top & backspin looks hilarious, but is probably decent practice if the machine is put away from the table and angled down.

  • @funnygame2122
    @funnygame2122 2 года назад

    Thank you so much! Very helpful!

  • @SloppyDonutz
    @SloppyDonutz Год назад +2

    A bunch of different websites have it listed with different controllers, e.g. ones with only top spin settings. Do you know if they can change controllers for it?

  • @ngng234
    @ngng234 4 года назад +1

    Mr. Sticks you are doing a good job to show the machine, if I want to see some technique I will simply type in Ma Long

  • @samermohamed7644
    @samermohamed7644 5 лет назад +6

    I know this is a couple years old now, so you've probably gotten a lot better but just a bit of advice would be to angle your racket downwards when returning a ball. That way, your returns come back lower and are more reliable. What you want to aim for is about a 45 degree tilt of your racquet.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +2

      Always a great reminder! Thanks!

    • @samermohamed7644
      @samermohamed7644 5 лет назад

      @@TonySticks No problem, glad to help. Also, I really appreciate the review because I just used it and a couple of others to make the decision to buy this robot now. I can't wait for it to arrive!

    • @drdawa
      @drdawa Год назад

      @@samermohamed7644 Hi, I know it is a couple of years old now :), was it a good investment?do you recommend v300?

  • @diegox.longpips
    @diegox.longpips 5 месяцев назад

    Great video, entertaining and informative

  • @gustavosuenaga
    @gustavosuenaga 4 года назад +15

    10:46 - what footwork?

  • @bennewman4272
    @bennewman4272 7 лет назад +4

    Great video. What settings did you have it on at 9:55 in the video to simulate short serves?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  7 лет назад

      Only topspin, at about 2 or 3 speed.

  • @danceandgolf
    @danceandgolf Год назад

    Great video. Thanks!

  • @cinimod4732
    @cinimod4732 4 года назад

    Great review

  • @kapibear4462
    @kapibear4462 Месяц назад

    is this the same robot as the Joola Buddy V300 robot? Are they different, I often see, for example, ipong v300 powered by joola, or is it also the same?

  • @gitaplayer
    @gitaplayer 5 лет назад +1

    great reviews! thanks Tony

  • @discgolfdad
    @discgolfdad 6 лет назад +6

    I've been playing competitively since 1975, and I've always wanted to get a robot. You sold me. Nicely done video.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  6 лет назад +1

      thanks!

    • @k1kon145
      @k1kon145 4 года назад

      Bill Hileman how old are you?

  • @Paul-os1fr
    @Paul-os1fr 2 года назад

    Are you absolutely sure it only jammed on you a handful of times in 3 hours of play?
    My experience is that I had a handful of play in 3 hours of jams.
    I'm looking around hoping there's a fix for that before I return it.

  • @DaveFer
    @DaveFer Год назад

    Naive question: Don’t top spin and back spin negate each other?

  • @fireball9329
    @fireball9329 6 лет назад +1

    Thnx this is so helpful your the best tonysticks your the best!

  • @alexeyj9141
    @alexeyj9141 7 лет назад +5

    This is actual good content thanks it helped a lot love the comedy

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  7 лет назад +1

      thanks!

    • @ubeurban6160
      @ubeurban6160 6 лет назад

      I really enjoyed the narrative! Keep up the great work!

  • @bookerdeyeet5046
    @bookerdeyeet5046 7 лет назад +1

    Dude, can you suggest a good editor for beginners like me?
    Love the content
    I'm just doing it for recreational purpose

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  7 лет назад

      +Aussie Raptor I use final cut X, I absolutely love it. But I started in iMovie when I first started to film.

  • @christianadriananiceta2753
    @christianadriananiceta2753 7 лет назад +1

    I would love to buy the product.
    only thing stopping me is that they say that the product is inconsistent (if unlucky)...
    it would be a hassle if I have to return it and pay for the shipping.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  7 лет назад +1

      understandable, but if it helps, I've had it for a few weeks now and so far this thing is still solid, still works and I've been having a lot of fun with it.

  • @luiscontreras7049
    @luiscontreras7049 4 года назад

    I was enjoying your vids

  • @ladychiefretireddiy2025
    @ladychiefretireddiy2025 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks that was a great review. I would love to have one. I think I will put on Honey drop list and try to find a good price.

  • @Steven9382
    @Steven9382 5 лет назад +2

    Hi is this a full sized table tennis table in your video?
    I have a three/quarter sized table tennis table (my son is only eight), would the robot (or any robot) work okay for it?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад

      I have a full table. Yes, it will work.

  • @InefableTheo
    @InefableTheo 3 года назад

    Thank you, bro. Very useful to watch.

  • @andkirby7
    @andkirby7 4 года назад

    Is it JOOLA TT BUDDY V300?..

  • @subratmishra2545
    @subratmishra2545 5 лет назад +3

    Do you have to keep it connected to the power or just charge it once???

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +1

      keep it connected at all times

  • @deetz23
    @deetz23 5 лет назад +1

    Do you have to buy the net separately? If so where did you purchase it?

    • @harryarteza3435
      @harryarteza3435 5 лет назад

      Danny Yes. And just goole ipong net. Or table tennis net. They're all over amazon.

  • @EnesMT
    @EnesMT 6 лет назад +1

    you must always remote controller on your hand. or you're setting one time and robot is hitting .

  • @ChancersCookbook
    @ChancersCookbook Месяц назад

    Thanks for the review. Ten minutes with a coach tweaking your shots could improve you dramatically.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  20 дней назад

      Thank you! I’ve gotten so much better

  • @snkuntjoro
    @snkuntjoro 4 года назад +2

    Watched your video. Then bought my own TT-buddy V300 ...
    Thanks for your contribution.

  • @Estefania_c23
    @Estefania_c23 2 года назад

    Gracias👍🏻

  • @martinshaughnessy3622
    @martinshaughnessy3622 Год назад

    thanks for the review
    does anyone know where i could get a part for a jolla,the motor?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @viplivesmatter
    @viplivesmatter 3 года назад

    Hi bro, is it possible to set a random frequency? My english is not perfect, sorry. I mean it would Be Great if the time between a ball And another will not be the same everytime

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  2 года назад

      I think it does have a setting like that

  • @nsp8112
    @nsp8112 Год назад

    Is this compatible with 40+ ping pong ball.. i means these 40+ ball gets stucks frequently or not.. because this devices description shows this is only for 40 mm ping pong ball...

    • @nsp8112
      @nsp8112 Год назад

      🙄🙄🙄

  • @michaelorhan1681
    @michaelorhan1681 5 лет назад +1

    LMAO you produce a very good video with good quality and people just roast you. I am sick of people like this

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +2

      Haha, no worries mate. Glad you enjoyed it.

    • @michaelorhan1681
      @michaelorhan1681 5 лет назад

      @@TonySticks i actually bough it now XD ty mate. Helped me out with my decision^^

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +1

      Enjoy it!

    • @reng.2588
      @reng.2588 4 года назад

      Well because of his playstyle and stuff
      But I don't mind cause he will improve

  • @Dartmoor151
    @Dartmoor151 5 лет назад +1

    Joola TT Buddy pro V300 looks the same. Is it the same device?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +1

      I don't think so

    • @harryarteza3435
      @harryarteza3435 5 лет назад +1

      It's the same! Tony you've been firing in some bad advice in the comments. Your advice is worse than your stupid beard.

  • @aimanpanggas9224
    @aimanpanggas9224 3 года назад

    playing by mostly moving your body , ping pong is like dancing , if you got the step , u gonna be easy to do some top spin or other else

  • @nrkapa
    @nrkapa 5 лет назад

    What is the cheaper available table tênis table? Can anyone give an advice?

    • @velvetpaws999
      @velvetpaws999 4 года назад

      I bought one on Amazon, it is very nice, with rollers to stow away in two halves. The name is Pingpong Premier Table, and it costs 345 bucks, shipping included. It is a regular competition size table, and very sturdy. I love it.

  • @johnronaldo3107
    @johnronaldo3107 2 года назад

    Don't pause or power off the machine if there is a ball in. I played with it for about 8 hours and I didn't have any problems.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  2 года назад

      Hmmmm, I’ll have to try that

  • @matheusgilbert3945
    @matheusgilbert3945 7 лет назад +1

    In 6:45 when you put the max topspin (eight), the ball doesn't even pass over the net ? I don't see sense in mixing spins like 8 topspin With 8 backspin... it's not effective to trainning, the ball runs with no spin that way. I'm thinking to buy Ipong Pro but seeing 6:45 of the video, I'm doubt right now. Could you make a little short video demonstrating how powerful is the ball with only the max topspin ?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  7 лет назад +2

      My table is stored away for a few weeks because the garage is being used for another project so I won't be able to make that request yet. Sorry, but take my word for it, max topspin speed is really fun, the balls are powerful and difficult to hit back if your a novice.

    • @matheusgilbert3945
      @matheusgilbert3945 7 лет назад

      Thanks bro. I decided to buy it indeed, just finding a way to import here to Brazil. Another question: The batteries of the Remote control dures long ? and what type of batteries is it ?

    • @symphony86
      @symphony86 6 лет назад

      Matheus Gilbert no spin would be a smash..

    • @discgolfdad
      @discgolfdad 6 лет назад

      Apparently you've never played an opponent with anti-spin rubber.

  • @SloppyDonutz
    @SloppyDonutz Год назад

    What exactly does the memory button do? Remember an exercise?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      I have no idea, I don’t use that button

  • @kb9826
    @kb9826 5 лет назад +1

    The remote needs to work only if you are facing the machine anyway. Who would need to be behind the unit and shoot the balls to the other side of the table other than Flash Gordon, Speedy Gonzalez, Superman, Road Runner?

  • @noideaforaname28362
    @noideaforaname28362 Год назад

    Hey, many people say that it breaks after 1 year or even less, did it happens to you?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      Still works for me!

    • @OrangevaleTableTennis
      @OrangevaleTableTennis 7 месяцев назад

      @@TonySticksHow often does it jam now? Would you say the robot has helped improve your game over the years?

  • @obabobai
    @obabobai 5 лет назад +1

    Can you ajdust height?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад

      It comes with adjustable angle pieces to tilt it down or up. But for overall height you can just put books under it if needed, that’s what I do.

  • @luisvasquez8050
    @luisvasquez8050 3 года назад +3

    v300 looks great on video, what they dont tell you: it will break down in a couple weeks. If you are as lucky as me you will get another which will also break down after another couple uses. Its a piece of crap, period

  • @grygrskls
    @grygrskls 6 лет назад +1

    You should watch pingskills to help you learn proper form on all your strokes. They helped me greatly.

  • @jieomapas
    @jieomapas Год назад

    does it make side spin?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      no, topspin or backspin only

  • @RGRSRegen
    @RGRSRegen 4 года назад

    It doesn't read the remote anywhere else because there probably is an infrared sensor on the front and not on the sides.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  4 года назад

      Thanks for the help!

    • @RGRSRegen
      @RGRSRegen 4 года назад

      @@TonySticks No problem

  • @Waingro808
    @Waingro808 Год назад

    5:49 I got a defective one. Agitator doesn't spin

  • @notaboxofjuice
    @notaboxofjuice 6 лет назад +7

    Hey man! It's been a few months, but if you're still doing table tennis I recommend checking out pingskills.com!
    Great site with free tutorials

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  6 лет назад

      +Leeman Harrington I love pingskills! Thanks!

  • @sportsclips4049
    @sportsclips4049 Год назад

    Hi can you make it faster?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      Yes, you can change its speed

  • @koledavus1039
    @koledavus1039 5 лет назад +3

    Ball 40+ or 40 mm?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +2

      only 40mm

    • @koledavus1039
      @koledavus1039 5 лет назад

      @@TonySticks thank you very much

    • @SteveSoper1979
      @SteveSoper1979 5 лет назад +1

      @@TonySticks Do you mean they only suggest 40mm? Have you tried plastic 40+? If so, how'd that go and what ball did you use please.

    • @harryarteza3435
      @harryarteza3435 5 лет назад

      Both! They work with both!

    • @harryarteza3435
      @harryarteza3435 5 лет назад

      Tony Sticks wrong. They take 40+

  • @chrispotts325
    @chrispotts325 2 года назад

    Nice review. If I were you, I'd buy several more buckets of balls, so you could just pour them in and keep going .

  • @MrUtoobee
    @MrUtoobee 5 лет назад +16

    You should have chosen a pro player to show the full range of ipong.

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +11

      I am a pro player! Just not yet. :D

    • @MrUtoobee
      @MrUtoobee 5 лет назад +1

      @@TonySticks Hahaha. I like that you are optimistic.

    • @reng.2588
      @reng.2588 4 года назад +1

      @@TonySticks you will be
      Just keep practicing

    • @marcusvaldes
      @marcusvaldes 3 года назад +1

      Honestly a pro player is going to have a better machine. This is for his (my) level.

    • @MrUtoobee
      @MrUtoobee 3 года назад

      @@marcusvaldes Not exactly. A pro player can demonstrate better on what are the possibilities. A pro player will not demonstrate his capability in other words.

  • @luiscontreras7049
    @luiscontreras7049 4 года назад

    Do you still play?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  4 года назад

      I do, just not as often as I used to.

  • @halservices
    @halservices Год назад

    How much

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  4 месяца назад

      70? When I got it I think

  • @christianadriananiceta2753
    @christianadriananiceta2753 7 лет назад +1

    Is your Ipong v300 the revised model (feb 2017)??

  • @LaurenceNyein
    @LaurenceNyein 5 лет назад +2

    after watching your review (and a few others) I bought this thing. I'm not blaming you or anything but I'm disappointed :(. I saw the robot works ok for you and others so maybe I'm doing something wrong so Can You Help Me? The balls I'm using are Cornilleau pro training balls. I bought a couple of boxes of 72. I wanted to do target practise so I'm not using Oscillation. I tried different combination of frequency, topspin and backspin but it doesn't work well. The problem is the balls doesn't throw at a consistent distance. Sometimes too short and goes into the net. I tried to use that little steps thing come with the robot to make it a bit higher. But the problem is it's not consistent so sometimes it goes over the table. Sometimes it's too short or even in the net. It happens too frequently. About 50% of balls are miss-fired like that. What do you think I'm doing wrong bud?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +1

      wow, i've never had that happen. I'm still using and enjoying my iPong.

    • @farmea633
      @farmea633 5 лет назад

      Late but the balls might be 40+ which may be too big

  • @anujanchrisanthar6757
    @anujanchrisanthar6757 6 лет назад +2

    Duude you Neeeed to loop when its topspin or the ball will just fly off.

  • @stefenryn
    @stefenryn 5 лет назад +2

    Why not AMICUS?

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +2

      I've never heard of AMICUS

    • @deetz23
      @deetz23 5 лет назад

      Goku The butterfly amicus is 1000$

    • @velvetpaws999
      @velvetpaws999 4 года назад

      Maybe because it is 2000 bucks?

  • @zenithsenpai6193
    @zenithsenpai6193 3 года назад

    I type ipong which means(iphone) but this appear...

  • @lordofcows8529
    @lordofcows8529 5 лет назад +1

    Is this the odd1sout's brother??

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  5 лет назад +1

      I get that a lot! 🤣
      Why are we so similar? I don’t see it.

  • @Ratbeeitch
    @Ratbeeitch 4 года назад +2

    Looks like someone trying to block rocks being throw at them.

  • @Blowurmind63
    @Blowurmind63 7 лет назад +1

    Only 171 subs??

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  6 лет назад +1

      struggle is real friend. XD

  • @cyfshl
    @cyfshl 6 лет назад

    7:47 lol

  • @jeremiahebert1
    @jeremiahebert1 7 лет назад +23

    hahahaha keep practicing

  • @ttjesus4959
    @ttjesus4959 4 года назад

    "Add less backspin"

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  4 года назад

      but i love backspin, its very stylish :D

  • @zenjo6214
    @zenjo6214 Год назад +1

    Thank you for convincing me not to buy this robot!

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      Glad this review was helpful

  • @czaesardominic1301
    @czaesardominic1301 6 лет назад +46

    You're still bad at table tennis. This makes this review somehow unreliable.

    • @videeau
      @videeau 5 лет назад +3

      I watched the first 9 minutes of the video - long enough to know the V300 is garbage - and he didn't play at all.

    • @florinpasca2000
      @florinpasca2000 4 года назад

      @@videeau I've buy it Monday, Thursday I have with Robo Pong 2055 changed. V300 it's good just for... Just don't know for what!

    • @mclerian7372
      @mclerian7372 4 года назад

      Is just that he doesn't know how to return topspin and backspin properly.

    • @mclerian7372
      @mclerian7372 4 года назад

      @@florinpasca2000 it's for practice how to counter topspin and backspin..

    • @florinpasca2000
      @florinpasca2000 4 года назад

      @@mclerian7372 😁 i know, just want to say that V300 it's way to simple, if u want some Quality, need to Change, at least Robo Pong 2055( it's very good, but personally i would now direkt XL or Butterfly buy, this Maschine are awesome.
      Greetings

  • @klgc4690
    @klgc4690 2 года назад

    Thank you for you video! But I can assure you that your ‘fast’ is not that fast and you need some proper lessons, actions are all wrong!

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  2 года назад

      Thanks. I’ve been working on it.

  • @leandrogutierres
    @leandrogutierres 6 лет назад +4

    Ok. Your are really bad at TT! I mean it. Take lessons. It will change your life, in case you enjoy TT as much as you say. hehehe.
    Cool review! Looks ok, the iPong.

  • @joelg125
    @joelg125 4 года назад +2

    Invest in some lessons

  • @fernandoreta4084
    @fernandoreta4084 5 лет назад +14

    Dude great machine, but you have a bad technique

    • @concertslivehd3336
      @concertslivehd3336 5 лет назад +7

      thats why he bought it :) so he can practice and get better

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  4 года назад +3

      thanks for the positive feedback!

    • @matungele
      @matungele 4 года назад +1

      ConcertsLiveHD ball machines help when you already have a solid technique

    • @charless3108
      @charless3108 3 года назад

      @@concertslivehd3336 tbh you can only improve using the machine if you mastered the basics. might be bad since he may develop some bad habits and forms

  • @velvetpaws999
    @velvetpaws999 4 года назад +3

    It was helping you working on your footwork and reflexes? All you do is a crapshoot, you don’t know what you’re doing! I didn’t see any footwork...

  • @asifzuzara732
    @asifzuzara732 5 лет назад

    Give this robot we know how to play we will play

  • @charless3108
    @charless3108 3 года назад

    ngl Tony you need a trainer, not a machine

  • @masterspin7796
    @masterspin7796 Год назад

    You might be better off spending some money on a little training first otherwise your just enforcing bad habits...

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      Probably right! But I turned out okay!

    • @masterspin7796
      @masterspin7796 Год назад +1

      @@TonySticks If you practice wrong eventually you will get better no-matter-what, up to a certain level after that the fun is less anyways so just keep playing ping-pong with your buddies Table Tennis is a very difficult sport at the higher levels...

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад +1

      @@masterspin7796 I’ve gotten really good. Probably the best out of all my friends. Finding a good opponent is hard. I find myself playing silly against my friends to give them a fair advantage. I’m definitely at a point where if I wanna take it to the next level I’d need lessons but I’m quite happy with level I’m at.

    • @masterspin7796
      @masterspin7796 Год назад

      @@TonySticks I traveled 160 mile round trip to Sacramento on the motorcycle yesterday to play better players, this sunday I will do it again for a tournament in the bay area...

    • @TonySticks
      @TonySticks  Год назад

      @@masterspin7796 that’s awesome! I love playing people who are better than me

  • @eus013275
    @eus013275 3 года назад

    Wasted my time

  • @velvetpaws999
    @velvetpaws999 4 года назад +1

    Oh jeeeezzzzz, way too much beard! Who needs that? Is this an attempt at a comic stand up routine? I am not laughing....
    And who needs a machine that shoots the balls over the table? Did you say you liked this thing? Boy oh boy.... this is not helpful to anyone, and least to the makers of this machine, lol..... what a fail! On a serious note, try to organize your thoughts and the flow of your presentation next time you do one, BEFORE you turn the video recorder on. Yeah, why didn't you think of that? Right?