Will Electric Cars Save The Planet? Or Is It Just Propaganda?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- In this video, Patrick Bet-David does a deep dive into electric vehicles and breaks down the myths surrounding them.
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I respect Toyota's stance. They flat said that their electric line is decided by demand. They aren't going to drop everything that's made them popular with efficient, reliable gas cars to try to shove electric on the public but they'll build models that fit into the demand they see from the market. I'm really not convinced my Honda Civic that weighs 2700lbs, is easy on tires, only needs 4qts of oil every 10k miles, and gets 35mpg is that much worse for the environment than an electric that costs twice as much.
And not to mention, EV’s eat tires due to their weight
I don't respect the Toyota brand.
If they don't want to build EVs, that's fine. But they actively lobby against EVs and sustainable transport goals in general.
Just because their hydrogen future takes forever to develop Toyota want to keep selling full ICE. Slowing down the change instead of making it happen faster.
yeah, well Toyota's electrics are pretty yawn worthy. I'm kind of thinking of the kia EV6, the Mach-E would probably be my second choice. I want a hatch but don't like the pregnant guppy look of the Tesla crossovers, if I wanted a sedan I do like the model 3. Of course the id.3 GTX would be the perfect replacement for my GTI but pretty sure they aren't coming to the US.
Well, your civic is better than probably 90% of the cars on the road, so could worse. If you could get a civic SI hatchback I wouldn't hate driving one.
@@AMacProOwner After listening to this video, you still call EVs "sustainable". LOL I have a klown kar EV to sell you, mate! 🤡
Can we all appreciate that he uploads consistently? 💕
Work ethics
Yeah we can as we should.
It's called his JOB... He is a YTber.
@@helixlacoste6945 he is not a youtuber
@@helixlacoste6945 he is an entrepreneur, youtube is not his main thing
EVs still have emissions ...
NO DESIRE FOR EV
Luddite 😜
@@stevehayward1854The factories that spawned the luddites didn't have to be mandated to buy steam engines and spinning Jennies and mules.
Everyone should just buy 1990's Hondas. They got great gas mileage and ran for 200kmi+ without any problems.
Not a fan of Hondas but you are correct. Buying old fuel efficient vehicles and keeping them on the road is better for the environment than buying an electric vehicle.
@@erikw792 Absolutely. But that isn't going to drive corporate profits and get politicians elected.
I had one back in the days that had over 350,000 miles
Nah... go back to a 1970's Honda Civic when they were getting 60+ mpg.
True, or an older Volvo if you want something more comfortable and a bit quicker. I’ve had 2 that got almost to 300k miles without problems till i hit deer 😅
I was ready to make my transition from Gas to electric. I purchased my Electric Vehicle and for time time I owned my BMW electric was great! With just a couple "CONS' I was happy overall. Until my vehicle broke down and nobody couldn't find the problem. My vehicle stayed at the dealership for 1 month making diagnosis, without clear answers. Until BMW called me and told me, Mr. You need to change the Motor and the Batery
Your bill will be $25,000.00 how you wish to pay???
This issue unviell a fundamental issue. We are not ready to fix Electric cars without changing almost all the Vehicle. Greatly disappointed to say the least. I will not buy another electric vehicle. NO WAY
Shoulda got a Tesla
You got conned
Stop lying
Now everybody’s going to think you’re lying so they don’t feel stupid for buying one !
Heard a similar story where a new battery was needed and would cost the owner $14,000.
Crazy how a year goes by and it costs more to charge a car than fill up now
Costs me $4 to charge a 180-ish mile EV. Compare that to a car that gets 40mpg would cost around $18 for the same range. That’s over four times the cost.
@@smileychessmy car gets 442 miles to a full tank that's trumps your 180 miles 🙄
@@frankcastle2045 - Enjoy spending your money.
@@frankcastle2045 Question is, have you ever actually NEEDED such a huge range on a daily basis to get to work? Unless your workplace is 200 miles from your home, I really doubt that to be the case.
I don’t really care about the environmental arguments. I bought an EV for the reduced operating costs and better technology.
It’s never been about the environment, it’s always been about limiting people’s mobility-thus, control.
This
Has your power bill gone up more government control its all b s
@@ronaldwarren1267 - it’s gone way up, and alas, my utility provider is the city government.
Idiot conspiracy theorist.
@@ronaldwarren1267how much tesla stock do you own ?
Can we see more videos of Patrick like this one? It is good to see him dissect the arguments and the topic.
(and just repeat moronic FUD that he clearly does not even understand. Folks will come away actually dumber for listening to this garbage. Sad Comedy.)
Here you go, in plain English
Lithium batteries are regulated as a hazardous material under the U.S. Department of Transportation's (DOT) Hazardous Materials Regulations (HMR; 49 C.F.R., Parts 171-180).
Exposure to Lithium can cause loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain. ► Lithium can cause headache, muscle weakness, twitching, blurred vision, loss of coordination, tremors, confusion, seizures and coma. This all comes from a reputable source
It is green and anti-green. Environmentalist who are anti-environment. Green + anti-green = anti-green.
What? Nobody is advocating to eat the battery.
Petrol isnt that much better. Remember that leaded stuff. Quite sure the lead poisoning is OFF CHARTS. And I dont like electric cars. But raw oil products are surely detrimental af. Even if you dont add extra poison.
Lithium is a medicine for bipolar so how is it poisonous ?
@@stevehayward1854 Sodium in its pure form is a metal that violently reacts with water and air. But it is also half the molecule of ordinary table salt. There is more to whether or not a material is poison, than just the elemental identity. It also matters how it is chemically combined with other elements.
My 2 hour trip to San Diego became 5 hours because:
We had to look for charging ports
Charging ports are full
People left their cars while charging and wont comeback in time
Some chargers are out of order
Some charginf stations are gang infested - goodluck staying there for hours
Not enough chargers along the way
Finally found one at a mall BUT had to pay extra because its a valet and cars are lined up ahead of us to charge and are at the mall which took them some time to come back
Well we might as well abandon electric cars then. The new technology isn’t perfect right away.
You would have be the person bitching about automobiles when they first came out because there weren’t enough gas stations.
REALX !!! Give it time. Nothing is perfect right out of the box
People act like children or just uneducated peasants. Every new technology have a periode of time to settle. In Europe we have zero problems with charging stations there are tons everywhere.
I purchased a used BMW i3 Rex. It's a small EV, and the REx stand for Range Extender. The main driver is the Electric motor, but it does have a small motorcycle engine, connected to a generator. My i3 only have a range of 80 miles, which cover most of my daily needs. When the battery is low, I start the motorcycle engine and it allows me another 80 miles of range, with a 2 gallons of gas. There are many advantages for the EV (if you can charge it at home): much less maintenance, nice spirited driving, very low use of breaks, no oil changes, etc. I used about a gallon of gas every two months and drive and average of 1000 miles/month. It works well depend on the individuals transportation need.
Did you do homework and got a tesla. Or were you an idiot and assumed BMW, gm, ford etc were good at electric? Blame yourself not the energy source.
If you had a Tesla, it would tell you that you need to charge and guide you to a free Tesla charger nearby.
There are apps for your phone that will do the same, they will tel you how many chargers are in use and if any arent working.
You need an education.
I'm sure gas cars had the same problem when they came on the scene but at least we do have software to help us out
My question how will we ever produce enough energy to power automobiles when we can not keep the lights on in times of great need in the summer and other times?
These videos are Patrick's best. His statistical analysis on real world issues. I know it takes a lot of wavelength and has to be a labor of love, but videos like these are PBD at his finest.
Actually his arguments are as usual, typically weak, and his research isn’t done in a non biased manner. He likes to cherry pick through the facts that support his side, while conveniently and lazily leaving our relevant and indisputable facts that fall contrary to what he has already convinced himself of. He’s no different than anyone else, constantly trying to convince himself of his own bullshit narratives. And provide a lazy way for people like him to reaffirm their own biased, hyper political cult bullshit.
@@HMuny55 I think you meant to not capitalize bandwidth, but you're right.
Its not -he left out the environmental effects of mining and refining crude oil and the pollution from used engine oil from billions of cars worldwide.
You need to have a fair and level comparison. This one was not.
Indeed Patrick goes into great depth Must take a long time to get all the info and remember all that and do a video.
@@HMuny55 I think you're splitting hairs with a stranger online, and that's lame.
I would love to see people factor in the future electricity rates, brownouts, taxes on EV's, and lack of access to charging stations in this analysis
Not to mention, do any of the same green people know where the electricity to charge their EV's comes from????
Answer: 90 percent of the electricity is going to come from COAL BURNING....
So in essence, you did next to nothing for the environment by going EV...
Now, I know we need to transition away from Fossil Fuels.
The point here is that EV's alone on a grid powered by COAL is pretty oxymoronic...
Tesla is working on energy from every roof energy costs should be much lower . They are also producing mega packs which will put an end to brownouts
Solar
Our energy infrastructure is way outdated, battery storage technology is the future - are we close to it right now? No. But I think to get there we need to maintain our current infrastructure, but invest in proven products that we can see factual/peer reviewed studies on. Tesla's megapacks are pretty great from my experience thus far.
Our network infrastructure is not as out of date as you assume.
Didn't I just hear the largest charging station in the country has to be ran on diesel? Also want there a trucking company in Illinois that tried to get 19 charging stations at up and was turned down because it would draw more power than the entire city?
What about how long an electric car will last and how much are the batteries when they need to be replaced?
For Tesla's the $7500 tax credit hasn't been available since I think the end of 2018. The tax credit is only available for the first 200,000 EVs a manufacturer produces. At least currently.
I was going to say the same thing but he said EVs 'like tesla' because to the everyday person its the most recognizable EV that people will understand. Also a lot of the electric car manufacturers that lease their vehicles end up taking that $7500 for themselves, which is pretty sad.
What is the difference between an oil mine and a Lithium mine? An oil mine is a 3-foot hole in the ground that stays the same size for its entire life. A Lithium mine is a massive hole in the ground that is a scar on the landscape and gets bigger and bigger every day.
You are so right! And the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to over these 3-foot holes was responsible for the death of half a million civilians. That includes kids, by the way.
Don’t pat yourself on the back because you just discovered the third world exists-you might break your spine.
@@CropCircleCritic What's your point? I wasn’t referring to oil wells in Iran or Afghanistan or anywhere else. I just commented that an oil well does not leave a scar on the landscape as a Lithium mine does.
Another big difference is the oil well is manned by men. The cobalt and lithium mines are populated by children.
@@robri87-hh4gr nah. Lithium mines are localized. War for oils spans entire regions of the globe. Call me crazy, but human life is more important than the environment, and there is no proportionality argument where any mining operation even scratches the surface of the damage done by the oil industry.
Just because you haven’t seen all the dead people as a direct result of oil wars and got to see some B-roll footage of kids digging through a pile or rocks doesn’t mean oil companies are better.
Not even close.
CropCircleCritic
You keep worrying about Iraq
Apparently you have the time to
The rest of the world has moved on Sporto
What about the complexity and cost to repair damaged EVs? The battery is usually placed under the floor reaching almost to the corners of the vehicle. Even in a not so hard hit the battery can be damaged resulting in astronomical repair costs. This is why most of the EVs involved in accident are scrapped. Not so green...
Colbalt is used to refine oil. Also newer battery tech has removed the need for it.
nice try klaus
You should have talked about how the electric energy required to charge an EV is produced. It usually comes from a fossil fuel powering a plant: coal, oil, natural gas, liquified petrol gas. The only other feasible alternative would be nuclear, which is really clean and it's the only hope we have to ever achieve zero emissions.
Only if we switch to thorium reactors.
Unfortunately, the waste product from uranium is readily weapon-isable.
As a species we are not enlightened sufficiently to survive as a species.
Would you rather live down wind from a coal fired power plant or a nuclear one? I Would rather a coal fired one!
@@garybulwinkle82 after seeing the output of a nuclear plant(basically nothing other than spent materials) and coal plants(constant emissions of materials and pollution that is harmful if inhaled) I would easily choose nuclear.
@@garybulwinkle82 The point is that we can’t transition to green energy. There aren’t enough solar panels, windmills, batteries, land ... and raw materials to build them. Nuclear is viable if AGW was real and and a existential threat ... but it is ignored ... which is a clear indication we’re being lied to.
@@garybulwinkle82 nuclear cause I am slightly educated on the subject. Cancer rates are high downwind from a coal plant.
On every level, this is a huge con job by self-interested government operatives. It will not cause the climate to change(factors beyond our control are doing this), it is far more expensive to implement, it puts recharging costs under the control of monopolies (resulting in higher charges in the future), it is driving up costs to an unprecedented level and causing huge inflationary pressures, it eliminated hundreds of thousands of jobs in the long run, it puts our economy at risk and places it in the hands of China, and it makes the top 1% much richer.
Great video, but what is missing are the cost of battery replacements and the impact that the batteries that are being disposed of will have on the environment.
Great Video, all great points. You need to make a follow up on this using the latest numbers of EV's sold.
Technology has always changed through the ages. Flint tools gave way to bronze, then iron, then steel. Steam locomotive fuel changed from burning wood to coal to oil. The car replaced the horse. Propeller driven large passenger planes converted from propellors to jets. As far as I am aware, when new technology was invented and overtook old technology, the improvements were such that the older technology disappeared or was much diminished. If EVs are so good, then their benefits will allow them to supplant fossil fueled vehicles. What we have now is governments who have decided that EVs are better than conventional vehicles. Much of this decision is based upon questionable information about long-term costs vs benefits. As we all know, politicians are long on wind and short on smarts. This is the problem many of us have with mandating EVs. They are being forced upon us. The free market should decide as it has in the past.
What we also have is oil companies paying bribes to stop evs from bring developed so it is not a level playing field
Facts
yes
& no.
the republicans are in bed with big oil. they do under the table deals with them, always have. big oil doesn't like the democratic party, because they've gone awol / commie socialist / anti- capitalism. and who could blame big oil for not liking that? on that note? my hat is off to APi & opec.
BUT- tesla is.. by far a more superior vehicle. the democrats just want to do with the solar / ev industry what the republican party did with big oil.
the better idea? kick BOTH parties OUT of the energy business ENTIRELY.... let the free market decide which one wins.
the simple truth of big oil is: gas prices have been subsidized for quite sometime now. in 2021- the fed gave 21 billion to big oil. imagine what gas prices would be if they didn't? $10 a gallon. the trouble is of course- you'll pay it back in taxes. same conundrum as the post office: if the us postal service had to get ALL their operating money from the sale of stamps? LMAO!! A POST card would cost $25 to mail. fedex would put them out of business.. .OVERNIGHT- pun intended. same with big oil & legacy auto.
tesla's coming- and it doesn't look pretty for legacy. million mile cars for $25,000? keep a watch on the horizon- it's actually already happened with the 4680 pack- all it takes now is for ONE person to post a youtube video of a model Y with over a million miles & no battery degradation.
Some believe there isn’t enough material to make an electric car for everyone. I see electric a good city car.
@@marksherrill9337 it's also a good cross country car.
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I live in Roseville, CA. I've driven my model Y to Sandiego 2x. I've driven to LA 3x. my experience on these trips is NO DIFFERENT than when I used to drive a gas car.
ICE CARS ARE FINISHED.... BEATEN.
Thank you Patrick for a concise and informative breakdown of the two sides of the argument. While I drive a plug in hybrid I'm under no illusions that EV's are a solution to whatever environmental problems we have, real or imagined. Even if you could miraculously convert every vehicle to an EV and immediately install the infrastructure to support them the impact on the environment would be negligible. The fairytales being pushed about how critical it is for us to make the transition are total fiction.
Same here. If anything, the financial benefits stand out more than the “environmental benefit” to me, especially now that I do not have to take the full brunt of the gas prices.
The manufacturing of EV and mining the material is environmentally disastrous
When you were talking in the beginning about the cost of filling up a truck compared to the cost of charging the car, you never did the multiplication of how many times you have to charge the car to get to the same distance as you can drive that one tank of gas. You would probably have to charge it 3 to 4 times to go to the same distance.
He talks about that right after it (cost per mile)
My Tesla has a range of 280 miles at 70-80 mph and it recharges to 80% in 15 mins and after 4 hours of driving I need a toilet break, a coffee and a snack, so when I have done that my car has charged
ready for another 220 miles, is that inconvenient, do you ever drive for 400-500 miles without a break, I bet you dont, especially if you have kids in with you.
So in recap I can drive for over 400 miles with one stop, which I would have made any way and I bet you would also
@@stevehayward1854 Yes, IF a SUPERCHARGER is on your route. That's not the case in most places. A regular plug-in outlet will take many hours; again, if available on your route. Charging is essentially a case of amp hours. If you have a 20A outlet, you can't magically transform it into a supercharger.
Let's also not forget that much of the energy to charging locations has a fossil fuel source at the other end. However, you know what could change that in a fundamental way? Nuclear power! Unfortunately, liberals have a knee-jerk "No!" whenever that option is mentioned. If you tell us to "follow the science" then do so yourself.
From someone who quit the best thing to do is to try to force yourself away from it as much as possible… going in your car? Leave it at home. I moved to Europe and nobody vaped over there, it was so uncommon I just fell out of the habit, I’m about 6 months clean. No cravings, and I tried it 2 times and hated it now
Patrick, let me tell you:
I bought my car (a diesel) 7 years ago. Then, everyone said, that diesel cars will vanish here in Germany (and probably) Europe within 2-4 years.
Reality: Diesels are still sold, no problem on that side. I got my car with a massive discount then and I am still happy with it. :)
Greetings from Germany! :)
Its not so simple with diesels, they produce more pollution so they are bad for health, but they produce less CO2 so they are better for global warming. Clean diesels I haven't kept up to know how clean they actually are. I do know with the current cost of gas I would love to have one of those 50 mpg VW diesels that the government took off the road. If I had one of those VW diesels right now the government would have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.
Just yesterday there was info that Germany will NOT ban the ICE cars in 2035 like previously planned, so there is always hope...
@@jeffk464 sorry to say, but it has been proven that a diesels are not that bad for humans and the environment as always stated.
Sales of new diesel cars are down 60% in Britain now. They must have welcomed you with open arms..... You won't be able to drive into the centre of either Paris or Berlin, as they've banned diesel cars from entering....
@@wikingagresor Wrong. You are mistaken. A small *minority* party in the German coalition Government want to overturn the 2030 ban. But so far have been unable to do so......because they're in the minority.
I love this guy! No bull, no bias, just straight facts. If only the rest of the world could be like you.
Debunking More EV Lies | In Depth by Now You Know here on RUclips.
gas shortage at the dentist. but yea he knows its more carbon for the road but good for drinkers. they always blew tired stuff putins gas hike and that bs they out their pipes lyin
Here's facts, CO2 caused catastrophic global warming is a scam and EV'S = child slave labor in The Congo and a fiery death for you.
He is definitely bias lmao he is just slick, he is definitely against evs
@@Charieldeleon nahh. He’s smart…
Do you even realize everything that goes into making an electric vehicle?? The batteries? Or what it takes to get the electricity for those batteries to make that EV run?!
It’s a giant scam… it’s not better for the environment.. it’s just better for the pockets of the people at the top…
Do a bit of research and you’ll see how bad the mining of the precious metals needed to make EV batteries is.. and then those EV batteries need electricity to work which uses fossil fuels to create that electricity… so it’s really not any better for the environment… if anything it’s worse
I know some people with EVs, they said after the newness of the car died out. It was very boring and annoying to depend on an EV. I always say do not buy an EV as your primary vehicle, that is a mistake. Buy them for bored housewives that have nowhere important to go. 😂
The price of charging is actually not even close to reality. In California, Changed Tesla like 80% cost me $25 at super changing station, and it only lasted 3 days of local commute, didn’t even drive far. I feel like consistently charging the car every single day like avg $10 per day
This is absolutely right ! It will hurt small business owners and it’ has lot of cruelty
Some things I would like you, or anyone else, to go in depth about are:
1. Comparing the same vehicle against each other. A gas powered F150 vs the EV F150 Lightning. What it costs MSRP (plus whatever markups dealers are charging), what it costs in maintenance for the life of each truck (yes batteries included), insurance, cost to make the vehicle, real time mileage, the extra time it takes someone to charge it over the time it takes to fill it up, etc.
2. Who does an EV really benefit? There are many people who can’t afford new vehicles, or even pricey used ones. EV’s are very expensive to buy, and not everyone can afford one, while there are millions of used ICE vehicles that poorer people can afford. Also, not everyone owns a home. Millions of people rent homes, but more importantly condos/apts/townhomes, so they don’t have the luxury of charging their EV at their place of residence. So EV’s really only benefit the middle class and wealthy. How will an EV economy support lower income citizens? Let’s say apartments start putting solar in and charging stations. That really will only make their rent to up, and still won’t benefit low income class citizens.
3. What are real world ranges in these EV’s, because they’re never what they claim to be. That really only benefits those who live in cities, and not those who want to travel or have to travel.
4. Solar is a great way to get your EV charging costs down, but as mentioned above, not everyone owns a home. For those that do own homes, not everyone can afford solar panels nor want them on their homes. So solar really only benefits the wealthy.
5. What about electricity kw charging costs? This is an important one, so I’m going to break it up in segments:
a.) Are we really saving that much in the long run to charge our EV’s? Most EV owners are charging their EV’s at home overnight, and some even while they’re at work. That’s quite a lot of charging, while filling a tank of gas up lasts most people a week on average.
b.) EV’s might be cheaper to charge than it is to fill up an ICE vehicle right now, but what will happen to the price per kw when EV’s become the standard on the roads? We have already seen it in places like CA. When the government is in charge of things, prices always rise, and in CA the price per kw is almost double what it costs just 7-8 years ago. So when everyone needs to charge their EV’s, the price per kw to charge will rise substantially, putting you at the cost, or more, of what it costs you to fill you ICE vehicle up right now.
These are important things I would like to see people discuss, because in my eyes, EV’s are just a scam all around. They’re making us feel all good inside right now, but trust me, it won’t be so grand once EV’s are the norm…
I can save you a lot of time. ICE vehicles are super fuel efficient today, and if you want to be green, batteries are SUPER TOXIC and practically unrecycleable due to cost. Also. Look into sourcing an EV battery. It’s beyond toxic and the amount of energy required to melt the rock to make the battery you have to drive the ev for one million miles to cancel out the carbon footprint.
Since I'm not a push rod moron I bought a Toyota Plug In Prius 3 years ago. Since then I've averaged 92 MPG over 55,xxx miles. What most push rod morons never mention is the regenerative braking that comes from electric motors generating electricity instead of disc brakes simply wasting that momentum in heat. Maybe you remember what gas cost during and after the Trump Virus. I know this may be a stretch for you, but think how all the gasoline I didn't burn helps our national security, the planet and especially my wallet since I'm not subsidizing Saudi jerkoffs. I still burn go-juice in my classic Porsche 911S- but that's well offset by my hybrid daily driver. If I need to pop over 3 miles to the liquor store I don't need to be concerned about a cold engine running rich and diluting my motor oil and cold engine condensation building acid in the engine's crankcase. My 32 mile range on electric alone covers most of my local driving and half of my ride to the coast to my sailboat. Push rod morons will fall over themselves to buy electric once the electric vehicles coming to the military are visible. Many morons connect their masculinity to noise and stink. That's their problem. Most of them in their 'tuned' BMWs would be mauled in 1/4 mile by a Blonde in a Tesla- LoL
So- No I don't trust you. You sound like a Fox News pawn.
Basic physics and economics disagree with everything you’re saying. Listen to Tony Seba for 30 mins and come back to us when you’re a bit more educated.
@@drewgoodman7932 🤣🤣
Most of the math points to people never recouping their ROI in electric or even new hybrid cars. The assumptions for gas prices and miles driven to break even have to get extreme. You'd be surprised how many people will spend 5k, minimum, to upgrade to a hybrid to save $500 a year. The math works out if you buy a used car (pre-crazy inflation used car market times). Last year I paid 16k for a 3-year-old Ioniq hybrid with 16k miles on it that gets 60 mpg. Nothing beats that value.
Hey, it would've been great if you could've added that if we continue with our current pace of Diesel/Petrol use, where would we be in terms of greenhouse gases by the end of century.
Another point I don't often see brought up is, where is the electricity for the vehicle coming from? Is it coming from a polluting source like coal, or a green source like solar or hydro? If it's the former, then it seriously contradicts the whole "better for the environment/climate" shtick they're trying so hard to sell us.
I rarely hear anyone mention the time it takes to charge an EV vs the time it takes to fill up a gas-powered vehicle. If you're traveling away from home and you need a recharge, you'll pull into a convenience store for an approximately 30 min charge. But what you do not count on is that there are several other cars waiting to use the charging port(s) which may or may not work. You're going to have to wait at least 30 minutes per car ahead of you before finally getting to that port. This could take hours. And don't even think about leaving your car to eat, shop, or use the rest room, because unless you have someone with you who can drive your car, you'll have to stay with it to keep from losing your place in line. Meanwhile, the gas-powered cars are zooming in, filling up left & right, and then leaving as you're sitting there waiting your turn. I ain't doin' it. 🙄
Yep, pointless technology
ive spent about 3 minutes waiting for a station to clear up in my 2 years of owning a fairly short range EV as my only vehicle. ive used ICE cars for a month since my EV was rear ended and probably spent more time waiting for a nozzle to clear up at gas stations in that time. why? because 90% of ev charging is done at home. now last time i checked, i am the only person allowed to use the charger in my garage. now sure, during peak migration times(holidays), the charging stations might have a problem dealing with the amount of cars. but any other time of the year, it really isn't a problem and the worst example i know of still only meant they had to wait for only 1 car.
@@yvs6663 and what do you think having more EV's on the road will cause.. Not very bright..
@@hobo1704 it will cause more charging stations being built to become economically viable. yes, there will be a transition period with lines at charging stations but i reckon there was the same as cars in general became popular. there are 15+ gas stations with 5+ stalls each in the 4 mile radius of my house. there are 5 single stall DC charging stations in the same area. Norway has highway resting stops with charging stations by 3+ different providers.
@@yvs6663What about people that don’t have garages, and park in random spots on the street? They’ll have to use charging stations. The adoption of electric is a small fraction of cars on the road. When that jumps up to 25-50%, watch how fast chaos ensues. Remember how quiet streets were before satellite navigation started clogging neighborhood roads? I do. I had navigation early- it was like having a superpower. Once everyone had it, back in traffic again.
You’ll see. Yup, you’ll see.
I owned an electric car and i switched back. It really cut into my lifestyle and got very annoying. Plus I was getting sick from being around the vehicle when it was charging. I prefer gas overall and hope they don't fully switch to electric or we are all doomed
even I knew the leaf was doomed- no active cooling. duhh. if your EV doesn't have a tesla emblem? then you're not electric & don't count.
That s exactly what I mean buy an emf device and it measures the Eletric magnetic currents it’s going to be really high that’s what’s making u sick
@@kangaroojack7678 i'm 55 and I can still run a 7 minute mile. I think those gas fumes you've been breathing in at the pump are making you retarded. perhaps see a neurologist. magnetic fields do NOT make humans sick... if they did- I would've barfed all over the MRi machine when they scanned me... or at least had a headache.
100% . The USA grids canNOT support even 20% ev con-mobiles.
Glad you now understand the consequences of this poor technology.
The one statistic you didn't mention is that if we meet the ev goals, the power grid will not be able to handle the load.
I think it's looking more like the PTB are forcing a large sector of the population (the former middle class) out of owning a car altogether. That leaves the upwardly mobile who can afford a well made, expensive, electric.
How exactly do they help to save the planet? They are powered by electricity, which is produced from turbines which run on coal. Nobody seems to point this out though.
TRUTH
Indeed. The more power we need, the more coal we will burn that's for sure. Because its the cheapest way to produce electricity. So seems like they will harm the planet rather then fixing it
I have solar panels on my house which fully charge my EV. Not everyone does though that's true. I think federal tax incentives for Solar should be increased.
Ev is over 90% efficient while gas is 40% efficient. So …
Open pit mining, child labour, and still reliant on O& G for manufacturing.
We also can't forget that a lot of states currently can't handle the extra load to the power grid to charge these cars. Cali can't go a summer without rolling blackouts yet they want to go 100% good luck
thats a good point lol. my thinking has been that whoever is pushing these EVs is probably just invested in electricity companies/solar. just the opposite of the oil companies who want us to buy gasoline vehicles.
-0.0001 is better than increase right? That sounds like exactly what we are aiming at. No global warming.
The battery capacity isn't there. Its just very low energy usage. If you start hauling some weight, you see it can haul, but not for long. Sure, mpg is great, but the capacity is supposed to come with that as a result.
Bought a car 2 years ago. I put so few miles on my car, a gas engine made more sense from a cost perspective. Even with gas prices escalating, it still makes sense from a total cost perspective.
Same for me. I have a 2012 Fiesta... no car payment, low cost auto insurance, I put gas in my car... MAYBE once a month, once a year get an oil change... and because it's a manual, no maintenance on the trans. I work from home 4 out of 5 days a week and 99% of the time, my boss picks me up on his way in, because he lives just two miles south of me. I offer gas money and he won't take it.
So, total cost perspective... it's WAY cheaper for me to keep and maintain the car I currently have.
@@MsAubrey Work from home is a game changer. There are days I don't move my car at all.
@@SoulfulVeg I don’t move mine most days.
@Your business is important to us. in the sping, summer and fall my Firebird is driven. We built it to be a driver, not a garage ornament. 😁
P.S. No worries. My husband and I loathe people that won’t drive their cars too.
@Your business is important to us. not crazy at all. If my mother could… she’d still have her 85 Monte Carlo… same body as your Caprice.
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How are we going to scrap them like we do wit most cars.???
You don't scrap a battery. It's reused for other purposes that require less power output than a car. Like a home battery storage for example.
The car body will then be scrapped as per usual.
Yep, as my wife said that the cost of digging up all these metals to make the batteries plus the recycleing of the batteris makes you wonder about the " green " benifits.
Also, gasoline comes from fossil fuel and then unless you have solar on your house, then were are the charging stations getting thier elecricity from? Fossil fuels?
I was talking to a guy who said his relative owns a Tesla. He said his electric bill shot up to $1500/mo and tire changes are headaches
Great stuff 👏🏾 I supply diesel to mines in Zimbabwe (mostly Chinese operated). The intensity of mining and fuel consumption is much greater in a lithium mine than say, chrome or gold mining. Fossil fuels are here for a while longer than most expect. Great book to check out is The Rare Metals War by Guillame Pitron.
Fossil fuels may well be around for a while, but the demand for them won't. Particularly not after 2030 in Britain and most of Europe, when sales of new ICE cars and vans are banned....
@@Brian-om2hh Don’t be fooled by presumptuous politicians. It will be a long time before an electric vehicle can do anything close to what a fossil fueled 4x4 pickup can do.
Industrial use of oil will be with us for time indefinite
The power grid shuts down whenever it gets over 100 degrees for a few days here in LA, yet we are all somehow suppose to rely on electric cars and our flimsy power grid to charge them.
ive never experienced power outages where i live until covid happened and everyone was at home and turned their AC on when it got hot. Imagine whats going to happen when everyone turns their AC on and Tries to charge their EV.
And what happens in a traffic jam?
Future war is gonna be fought with china hacking the U.S power grid and shutting it down.
@@toddgaak422 nothing, apart from you don't move. Why? What did you think might happen? It's not an issue if you're in an EV. You have a battery big enough to run a house for 3 or 4 days......
@@floggyWM1 Good thing two thirds of ev owners also have solar panels.
I think from a short term perspective. Hybrids are really the best of both worlds. Usually will have enough range to get you to and from work on a charge. If you need to fuel up it’s a minute va an 1hr with an EV. Long road trips are easy to plan. Price of gas fluctuations are easier to manage since the car is more fuel efficient. For luxury cars the quite-ness of the EV can be a feature. For sports cars the instant torque can be a feature. It takes less battery to produce a hybrid than a full EV aka per lbs of lithium you can produce more cars (so better sustainablilty) and cheaper to replace the battery when it dies in the future. Which is better for consumers
Everyone Google it immediately. First cars were electric and until WW2 1/3 of all cars in NY were fully electric with electric chargers everywhere the city.
People choose tesla not because its an EV car but because of the technology it has to offer. There is no question that TSLA is the best EV company out there that gives you the value for your money.
So true I bought my Tesla after waiting for my Mercedes to get fixed and after three months of waiting I went to a Tesla show room and bought it just like that with out test driving! Sounds crazy but I did. Now I just paid for FSD even though i don't know how to operate it yet but I will later. Hopefully Tesla will take me wherever I want to go.
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Lots of folks have the incorrect assumption that tesla has special self driving tech. Everyone has access to the neural net tech to do this. E.g. vgg16 semantic segmentation network.
Been saying this for many years. I’m glad people are catching on to the dirty secrets for EV. It’s all simple physics , for every action there is a reaction. But most people don’t want to sit down and do the homework to see what are the consequences of making a change like this.
you are so right
Hilarious to see you reference simple physics when they overwhelmingly prove that EV’s are by far the most efficient form of transportation. Please enlighten us more about simple physics and economics, this should be good.
@@drewgoodman7932it doesn’t make sense to switch to electric for the sake of the environment when the resources to make batteries, motors and other components take fossil fuel to burn to make an ev and that’s nor including the damage to the environment like strip mining for Lithium and other rare minerals. Also until we switch our US power grids to something that can handle the high demand of everyone charging their its not go to far well for every one. Rolling power outage already happening as it is in many states like California and more with Bidens and is party shutting down coal power plants. Then there is the fact the Avg transformer in the us is 40-50 years old. That’s end of life. Powers lines most are 25 yeas old about half its life so are we going to rip all of this up asap and build new stuff? If yes more fossil fuel will be needed to new lines and transformers plus all the fuel for the transportation of the raw materials.
I call that "blind regurgitation".
@@drewgoodman7932 Most drivers DONT GIVE 2 FUCKS about how efficient something is. They care if its practical, convenient and affordable. Both, EV and ICE can be just that. Depends on someone's needs.
You've got to love that Orwellian RUclips "context" disclaimer telling you what to think and what the "concensus" is.
Yes. I despise this Big Brother condescending know-it-all shaming they try on us. All thanks to COVID hysteria, which could not be questioned and violated, and then quickly spread to all PC (now the illiterate “woke”) topics, including the endless nationwide riots by those lovely BLM types.
He told us that the F-150 takes about $99.00 to fill up and F-150 Lightning took about $13.00 to charge. What he didn’t tell us is how far they could go on a fully charged battery or a full tank of gas. If you have to stop and charge the batteries a couple of times to a full tank of gas. Is it worth it? Then how long does it take to charge the batteries because I can fill my 36 gallon tank in my truck in about 5 minutes from empty to full. Can they batteries in the F-150 Lightning charge that fast?
The "fill up" comparison is a weird way to compare. It's better to look at it as a per mile cost-which he did. I can tell you from my experience that my Lightning is about 1/3 the cost to operate as the ICE Silverado it replaced. My truck is an extended range model that is rated for up to 320 miles - but it gets
closer to 260ish miles at highway speeds.
Charging times can fluctuate depending on charger speed, but you can normally go from 20%-80% in about 30 minutes on a DC fast charger. I haven't had to DC charge in months - so I'm actually time ahead compared to when I bought gas.
With all that being said - it's not for everyone. Towing range stinks from my understanding and DC charging can be challenging and time consuming on road trips. Those aren't particularly big deals for me, but your use case may be different.
I do love the truck. It's quiet, smooth and is ridiculous fast. Like pin your head to the headrest and make you sick to your stomach fast. Like I raced a hemi Challenger at a light and was a full car length ahead of it by the time we got thorough the intersection. It's dumb fast.
As a lifelong car dealer and person with common sense I can say with authority, electric vehicles are never going to replace our regular ones.
That's why AZO stock is always at all time high. Collapse of middle class just keep and repair gas car even Warren Buffett buys big oil and not Tesla.
In 5 years you will think very diferent
@@vidainvestor He says he has spent a lifetime in the car business, how many years have you been in the car business?
@@vidainvestor How do you presume to know how I think now or 5 years from now? Talk about stupidity.
Yeah the horse & buggie industry felt the same in the early 1900s...how'd that work out
EV adoption will accelerate this decade and the 2030s and yes you can thank Tesla for that.
By the late 2030s & 2040s the majority of new vehicles sold will be EVs. The transition is coming whether you wanna believe it or not.
Another issue with EVs that really needs to be brought up is ownership and right to repair. Tesla, is particular, is pushing for a world where you can't get access to parts, can't get access to instructions on how to fix your car or the proper tools, they have features already in the car that you need a subscription or fee to access, all of which are then taken away through software if Tesla thinks you are naughty or you resell your car, and they have the ability to remotely control your vehicle (not like an RC car, but still, they can shut stuff off and keep track of you). And these are only the things I could remember off the top of my head.
That's not an EV only thing. That is simply the way the ENTIRE industry is going. Look at John Deer.
A company will come along that will allow you to repair outside of manufacturer service centers. Then everyone else will follow
all of that is on purpose. everything is a scam. there is never improvement in humanity because no matter which direction we choose to go, the greedy people who run the planet will be there waiting with taxes and fees and paperwork.
Good point
no matter which direction we go, they will be there waiting with taxes and fees and paperwork.
The lithium and Cobolt isn't just used in car batteries . Lots of electronic devices have lithium batteries .
We are very good at fixing a problem with a new problem.
Main thing is to not buy, use or make at rate we do.... Take life at a shower pace, and put your values in other then commercial things.
Most of the math points to people never recouping their ROI in electric or even new hybrid cars. The assumptions for gas prices and miles driven to break even have to get extreme. You'd be surprised how many people will spend 5k, minimum, to upgrade to a hybrid to save $500 a year. The math works out if you buy a used car (pre-crazy inflation used car market times). Last year I paid 16k for a 3-year-old Ioniq hybrid with 16k miles on it that gets 60 mpg. Nothing beats that value.
I saw a video of a city making a big too-do about their increased use of EVs. How they got the electricity to charge the cars, and the response was from 90% coal. Another point, if there is only a few countries pushing this “green” movement, how does this have any effect if all of the other countries continue using carbon based fuels? The whole thing is a big con job.
Something to think about. Why are carbon based lifeforms so dead set on reducing carbon? Sounds like a euphemism for euthanasia.
@@stevenbass732 Yes, exactly. Did people just forget that CO2 is what keeps plants and trees alive and green and healthy? It's basic science. CO2 is used by plants in photosynthesis. Plants take in CO2 and breathe out oxygen which humans and animals need. For people to attack CO2 as a danger to the planet is just beyond absurd.
You’re amazing thank you for the great info and the update EV are good for some people but for most of us, it’s not a great idea and I can’t afford it!!
When you're electric car breaks down good luck paying to repair it
Alright, let's break this down one by one:
1. While lithium mining is very destructive to the environment, it isn't a long-term operation. Once you extract the lithium, it can be recycled as many times as we want into new batteries. This is a much better alternative to oil extraction, which is not only harmful to the environment (albeit to a lesser extent) but also never ends. We will constantly need more oil to satisfy the demands of all the industries that need it. Speaking of environmental impacts, whenever someone talks about lithium mining, they seem to forget the disastrous oil spills that happen regularly both on land and in the ocean.
2. Oh, my favorite! "But mining, transporting, and processing all that lithium will require fossil fuels!" This argument is flawed on three fronts:
- First, oil also has to be mined, which requires electricity. On the ocean, the problem is even worse as oil rigs usually run off diesel generators. Once the oil is extracted, it needs to be transported using pumps, which burn even more electricity. Then, you need to process it by heating it to 800 degrees, which not only uses a lot of power but usually also creates a ton of pollution. To give you some numbers, Australia alone produces 52% of Lithium, but you don't hear them complaining about the pollution created by lithium mines. Instead, they complain about the pollution generated by oil refineries. And Australia only refines 0.1% of the world's oil. Finally, all that refined oil has to be transported to gas stations on inefficient diesel trucks, where you can pour it into your gas car, burn it in your engine, and waste 70% of its energy compared to the 10% that an EV wastes.
- Second, as mentioned before, once you've got the materials necessary to produce the battery, you can recycle these materials over and over again. So, the production of EVs doesn't only produce less pollution; you also need much less of the material than you need oil to run your transportation sector.
- Third, as more and more machinery transitions to batteries, the amount of pollution created by mining these materials will drop even further.
I know where the cobalt mining argument comes from. It originates from a study meant to assess the environmental effects of both EVs and gas cars. What the study missed is that the fossil fuel industry uses the majority of the global production of cobalt in their refineries. I'm not surprised that this data point was missing since the study was funded by Shell and other fossil fuel giants. Also, the forced child labor excuse is such a lame "think of the children" argument. It's a perfect example of rich people deflecting blame with whatever means they have at their disposal. I mean, if they cared so much, they could actually do something about it. Instead, they use it as a cheap tactic to hinder competition.
3. Onto the point of increased energy consumption. This one also seems misleading. You mentioned that the price of charging your car is much less than filling up at a gas station, but you seem to have forgotten that you will still pay for that electricity if you charge at home. Instead of simply saying that your power consumption will double, why not compare how much you'd usually spend at a gas station per month vs. how much you'd spend on charging your car at home?
4. Who will suffer? The guy at the gas station? No. The guy at the gas station can install public chargers and make money off people charging their cars. You did mention that the infrastructure is spotty at best. Imagine if every gas station had as many charging stalls as it does pumping stations.
5. The point about reducing the global temperature by 0.0001 degrees is honestly cause for celebration. Why? Because the current predictions indicate that the temperature will steadily rise. It's not about reducing the temperature; it's about limiting how much it will increase by the end of the century.
The aim is to get everyone on the grid. I am sure some manual charge service will pop up. Also they can track and even program the vehicle when plugged in. Like a diagnostic link but technically it will be like the internet. Just think about the history of the desktop pc back in the day using Windows 95 CD now pc's are on the grid once their is the internet
You're getting warmer. Now multiply that level of dependence by 1000%
@@cavaleer real shit
This is the case with gas powered cars now anyway. you think your GPS in your Tahoe couldn't be tracked
@@typhoon320i true but you can't be fully controlled
Every vehicle has an ECU.
Love when he does this style of video
Same here.
Mark Moss does great videos. Different type of focus but another great teacher
what about hho? it is produced with water.
you mean misinformed and without any thought??? Can't say I'm too crazy for that style. He only talked about BEVs as though they are the only EV out there. Biggest piece of misinformation...those transports he was talking about? Tonnes of companies have switched over to FCEV. All the rest of us need are the filling stations.
@@alejandrofloressr7913 I don’t sure because I don’t think that it’s gonna be OK let’s see what is easy and gas comes to other than that which one is better because I am getting nowhere
The masses need to get awareness of this topic
You are missing the fact that many of EV betteries are without cobalt like the model 3 and y with the sortest range. EVs also consumes around 1/4 of the energy of a combustion engine. The model 3 contains the energy equivalent to 2.3 gallons of petrol but can still drive around 300 miles. And most of the elements in the battery can be reused once it is dug out of the ground unlike coal. And the last thing is that the energy mix is getting greener and greener. But the petrol is not.
There is one thing no one ever talks about when it comes to switching from gas to electric. A percentage of every gallon you buy is tax. Where is that tax going to be charged. On our electricity. Would people who don't drive actually be paying the tax for people that do?
expecting charging tax coming within 5 years. the government is not going to let you run wild with the electric cars
I believe they are charging electric owners a extra $100 a year for their tab renewals
@@rockinrobin322 you will see 1000 a few year later, 100 a year is not going to cover the normal gas tax from a ICE car, average ICE car use about 3k a year, at least 500 are for the gas tax, not to mention electric car are heavier.
they are already proposing legislation to tax EV drivers for every mile they drive
Not only that... it seems like ppl dont understand supply n demand. If every car is going to b ev, well then demand for electricity is going to double.. (atleast the power u use at home). And bcoz of that the price for electricity will increase.. how much? Who knows! Unless u invest in nuclear energy its impossible to sustain.
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I believe it will only be worth switching to EVs, it all the countries work together and all participate. The town I live in cannot support a sudden change to majority of homes charging EVs.
My daughter bought a Kia Sorrento gas/ electric car and gets great gas mileage, especially city driving. This technology may be the best answer as no charging stations are necessary.
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I think you should have added the problem with electrical generation to handle all the new electrical cars and trucks, most states can not even handle the ones on the road today. Also if you lose your power to lets say a snow storm or other natural disaster good luck trying to charge your car. There are other problems too but not the place to bring them up. This is the first time I have seen your show and you did a great job covering this issue.
10 things to consider when it comes to Teslas:
1. If you can afford it, you’re probably going to buy a new car anyway (sorry Dave Ramsey) since you don’t want a maintenance queen.
2. If you find yourself asking “what is it gonna be like in 10 years?”, then reference point number 1. Also there are Teslas now that are 10 years old that have less than 10% range loss.
3. Teslas will ruin you for other cars. You’ll get back into a gas car and put your foot down on the gas and say “that’s it??” Also having to use a brake pedal for every stop is for suckers.
4. Dealerships suck. Once your make your straightforward custom order on Tesla’s website, have it delivered to your house, and don’t have to be demeaned by car salesman for an entire wasted day, you’ll never go back.
5. Charging-it’s easier to give up 1-2 hours in the evening than “5 minutes” on your way to work. Also charging is not as inconvenient as you’ve heard; getting gas is not as convenient as you tell yourself.
6. Every single Tesla owner who won’t shut up about their car has a trailing adult lifetime of owning gas cars. You don’t need to tell us “the benefits of owning an ICE car”. Been there, done that. There is a reason we go on and on about these truly amazing cars.
7. Gas can go away. Remember Hurricane Harvey? You couldn’t get gas in Texas for a week, but the lights were still on. We sat in our back yard watching Teslas drive by on the freeway. If you like to be truly prepared for the what-ifs, can afford it, and you have half a brain, you are going to have 1 Tesla and 1 Gas car, as the oil infrastructure is vulnerable.
8. Gas is WAY more expensive than electricity, and it’s only going to go up. Also, the grid won’t melt. Saying no one should have an EV because of “the grid” is certainly saying no one should have a dryer, air conditioner, RV, pool or hot tub. Please don’t give the creeps in charge ideas.
9. Gas does not own the moral high ground. Half a million civilians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan to keep the oil flowing, and the industry has contributed to the largest human trafficking (slavery) apparatus in history.
10. No gas car on the planet actually gets the range that you see on the sticker.
I work in car sales. People want electric cars bad. Can’t keep them in stock.
Ive been saying this to all my friends forever. But now you made the perfect video for me to forward to all my buddies. Thanks Pat. Im still ordering my cyber-truck tho. 😂
Ordered cybertruck too.
@@depensu1854 You'll never get it
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@@Depto228 I wouldn't order one, they are a piece of crap
Thank you Pat for this fact base illustration. Many may disagree others may be cynical and few may agree. Not many people have done their research or homework and most people are extremely emotional when it comes to global warming, therefore some may argue without listening to hear the entire argument. We have reached a point in our lives where either side wants to push their narrative with little respect and consideration to the other side which makes this story and many like this extremely challenging to agree on a middle ground commonsense agreement.
Someone has succeeded to divide and conquer.
Do you believe climate change is real?
yes, I do. The climate has been changing for centuries and will continue to change without any doubt.
I definitely agree with Dennis Prager the left always has an agenda to scare people years ago it was the Killer Bees we're going to be horrible that never happened 30 40 years ago we were going to be overpopulated that never happened I could remember 30 years ago I saw a TV documentary about polar ice caps there cyclical thousands of years ago it was warmer thousands of years ago it was cooler this is the lefts religion with AIDS scaring people that it was affecting heterosexuals as much as gays that was false
I live in Germany and I have a Mini Cooper SE. It has a horribly inefficient motor that uses as much electricity as a Tesla model S. + most charging stations overcharge here. So driving costs as much as my BMW 1 Diesel. (3.8L /100km)
The mini is cheaper on payments and maintenance though. But some of the public charging stations go up to 1€/kWh here
Unreal, so crazy that people buy those things.
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I pretty much got the MINI because of the trust BMW built up with me over the decades.
In hearing with Congress….the Utilities say there is NO WAY they can supply the amount of power consumption required to charge vehicles in every home! The requirements would be MORE than entire cities.
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A timely video clarifying some of the issues. We are living in northern CA where we will have a record heat weekend going into next week. Our green minded governor just came out with a warning to EV owners to NOT charge their cars this weekend for fear of the grid going down. Kinda humorous to "save the planet" and not being able to charge your vehicles as their just isn't enough power to go around without building more nuclear plants. My home is fully solar and my next car will probably be an EV BUT I will use it for shorter trips and errands and keep my older fuel efficient gas car for longer trips and vacations.
Just taking pollution from one pocket and putting in the other
One con for EV is charging time vs filling up with gas. The extra cost a homeowner will incur as well as the cost to enable the grid to handle (as well as no more natural gas stoves and furnaces shifting to electric here in NY) the extra loads. Plus all the hidden costs to manufacture all of the necessary components to upgrade the grid.
One huge fact missed on the cobalt mines was the large investments of the biden family with china in cobalt. Big fan of pdb and the thorough work he does.
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Ok, so in theory we will take out of transport and add to manufacture and home consumption?
I am curious if people started buying lower value hausing, buying smaller and in crappier areas, more dense, less travel, what would that do? Basically send construction in decline
The other thing they don't point out is that the amount of water it takes to put out an EV fire that involves the battery. It takes nearly 50.000 to put one out. For a petrol vehicle only 500. Gal.
Policy makers tend to think that EVs are the solution for the future, but it isn't, they are only a replacement for the cars using gas engine. Like Thomas Sowell said it best : "There are not solutions. There are only trade-offs."
Exactly
YEA OK, did that fugly Marjorie tell you that as she collected your donation to her grift
Cobalt is also used in the oil refinery process every time.
Cobalt is nessessary for a lot
This is a big game, it's all about how will the US become self sufficient and understand sustainability on a person to person basis
Why is it that no one covers the TCO over a 10 year period for EVs … because a $30000 bill for a battery replacement… which means that the annual maintenance costs is about $5000 for an ev … of course you can just junk the EV POS when that comes … no resell value
“Good luck finding a charger”. Lmfao! You gotta be kidding me Patrick
Thanks Pat. I would love to see a video on the oil industry and its many challenges. I hear many talking points on the news networks, but I appear to be missing a fundamental understanding of the industry to fully appreciate what is being discussed.
Nuclear power plants will make the biggest impact on the environment for hundreds of years......and the tech will only get better and safer. They have applied nuclear power to propel weapons. They need to do it for vehicles.
another thing that destroys the EV with regards to saving the environment is the fact that people tend to lease these cars, meaning they end up as trash after 5 years? i cant imagine those same cars being sold on a used market at least, but yeah its important to note that in the next 10 years most of us will probably change cars every 5 years due to leasing becoming so popular.
We need a combination of both affordable electric vehicles, highly fuel efficient hybrids and gas powered cars. Perhaps not so much for the sake of climate change but just to simply be free from the GREED of OPEC and the oil industry in general. We've had high prices off and on since the Iraq war and every time there is conflict prices soar. It's getting overwhelming and by now people are getting the message that fuel prices will stay higher for longer. Time to ditch the gas guzzlers was about 20 yrs ago.
Very true, it was arguable that it could have been 30-40 years ago, before China had chance to claim all the minerals
Agree. We need a mixture, not one or the other. Just like most things I don’t think prices will ever be the same (gas, lumber, ammunition, etc)
You bring up some great arguments for EV adoption, but it's important to remember that they will make life (climate, work conditions, power balance in the world} worse for all people, at least in the beginning.
Facts
China is the new OPEC and clearly the winner to control EV minerals and EV production.
Not sure if anybody brought this up but I think EV’s are easier to control from an outside source. So if there’s a police chase or anything like that they can shut off your vehicle. That to me seems like the biggest problem of all problems with EV‘s. That also means they can easily be stolen by hackers or just plain taken over by hackers. I like the concept of EV’s but I think there’s much more work to do before we go 100% that route.
Well...u can just have a jamming device in the car a d they cant do that. And most new cars have immobilizers too. So i dont think thats such a bug problem. The bigger problem is that owning a car will be only for the rich. When a new battery cost 10k usd and a new motor (ev have 2 or 4) cost 5k usd its not like u can afford to buy a used car on minimum wage. Why? Bcoz if any of those things break ur screwed!
True. But they've been able to take control of vehicles for years now. Yeats ago, some guys from DARPA were interviewed by Forbes magazine and they demonstrated that they were able to hack into an already moving vehicle, the reporters personal Jeep, while it was driving down the highway. They used the bluetooth, if I remember correctly. It easier than people think because most vehicles made in the last wo decades have two to three dozen different CPUs for what used to be fully mechanical functions. And there was a report just before the lockdowns that showed that an "autonomous vehicle" was taken control over by a police department to demonstrate that they didn't need to go out and chase the person that had a warrant out if they just took over his vehicle.
Remotely disabling a vehicle has more to do with wireless connectivity and increasing reliance on computers, and not so much on the type of propulsion.
ICE cars also need electronics to operate. If they can turn off your EV, they can also turn off your ICE car, while in gear, or in drive mode, which basically means sudden engine braking.
Like others in this thread have said...they can already do this with most cars on the road.
If you want something to be paranoid about when it comes to electric cars. Ask yourself this question "how can you charge your car without some kind of card".
EV World News
“You know, right now there are two metrics where EVs don’t compete with gas vehicles quite as well: one is price and the other is road trips.
By every other metric EVs are superior: they’re saver, they’re faster, they’re cheaper to operate…the idea of not having to fuel it out in the elements at a gas station.
Those two metrics: when we get that 5 minute charging, that road trip thing is completely a thing of the past. And we’re really starting to hit that point where EVs can be made and sold as cheaper, cheaper than gas cars. (Look at) BYD is really going to put the hurt on the Toyota Corolla worldwide with the Seagull…”
I've got a friend that has one and he has to buy a new battery and it's thousands of dollars and he can't afford it and he's wealthy tell everyone that 😢😢😢