Who Will Govern in France?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
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They were very hopeful. Their followers awaited the results with overwhelming enthusiasm. The future of France would finally be in their hands. Thus began the day of July 7th for the National Rally, Marine Le Pen's party.
However, history repeated itself once again. The polls failed once more in predicting the distribution of seats, and Le Pen crashed again against a Macron who, we could say, has stopped being the Sun King to become the French reincarnation of Rocky Balboa: No matter how many hits he takes, in the end, he always prevails in the ring.
So, who will govern #France? Is this really a victory for #Macron? Where does Marine Le Pen stand now? In this video, we will tell you all the details.
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To be honest, National Rally did get millions of more votes than any other party. Just because the other parties collaborated to win the most seats, does not mean that support for RN is lesser now than it has been.
Isnt it funny that no body is craying that this election wasnt democratic since the party with the most votes did not win, but as soon as Trump won in 2016 with less votes than Hillery everybody was quick to say how is it possible. The left never cseese to amaze me
@PoliticsAndCoffee_1865 opposite really - the highest turnout in over 40+ years
the other way to look at it is that the anti-RN vote was millions more than what the RN got. The truth is that a lot of voters in constituencies where their preferred political affiliation was not available for them to vote for, they had to vote against their political conviction just to block the RN. So their anti-RN sentiment was stronger than their political conviction and this speaks volumes.
@PoliticsAndCoffee_1865 Dude what are you smoking? Voter turn out was the highest ever since 1997..
Yeah and the French people who do NOT want a new Vichy government (this time bowing to a dictator further east than Germany) are millions more.
It's going to be a shit show especially with the Olympics coming up
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neh, they didn't shit in the seine after setting up a webpage planing to
the opportunity of the biggest shit show passed
So banning citizens with dual nationalities from public jobs is far right now? In Egypt we call it national security lol
We call it something similar in the US.
Yeah exactly. I guess it depends what public jobs as well though.
In the case of France, it is
Egypt is a dictatorship so yeah: it is far right.
In Australia we don't restrict anyone from a job because they have dual citizenship. Unless they are in an intelligence agency.
And Australian is killing it sooooooo follow suit
The chart at the end..FAR right..centre..left etc. Never is there a FAR LEFT. Or..Extreme left. You have Communists and the Melenchon group who are basically Stalinists and they are just 'left'. Ok buddy.
The highest state authority in France (State Council) has stated Mélenchon's party is left, and Lepen's is far right. The New Popular Front platform is no more radical than that of president Mitterand in 1981. This is all confusing because the "Communists"' here show almost no difference with the Socialists, and have not supported a real communist measure since decades.
Exactly. My other questions too:
(1) how is banning those with dual citizenship from having GOVT jobs radical? To my knowledge, the party isn't advocating private sector, just GOVT jobs. Many G20 countries already implement this, especially for positions with security clearance. There can be waivers, always are (especially if you >know< someone).
(2) didn't the Front used to be far right? Now they're saying the Front is leftist. Confused. Are there multiple fronts? Is there the Back or the Side as well?
(3) the head of state shouldn't cohabitate or even habitate the govt. Imagine if king Charles or president steinmeier did that. Parliamentary is superior. Yes, France once had it but they were apparently doing it wrong because the best stable democracies around the world are Parliamentary and have the prime minister as the only political leader, even if republics. Semi-presidential us used by Belarus and Russia-shining examples of democracy (sarc).
Framing yes
@@sennarghal691based. Far right in shambles
@@Governor-General.of.Qanada National Rally is the far right rework of prior Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front. Left won the elections with a New Popular Front, in reference to 1936 Popular Front led by Léon Blum against far right.
About the dual nationality, I didn't know how it is in other countries. French find it repulsive to sort citizens according to their origin, to deprive some from everybody else's rights, and to instigate fear and distrust. When someone is appointed to a governmental position, they are checked extensively anyways.
Not everybody's opinion in France though...
Paris is no longer french so its pretty clear who won.
Muhammad won the elections lol 😂
As an Aussie who loves travelling my last trip to Paris was unrecognisable same as London. It's so sad what these two cities have become
If you have a problem with France then you can just go ahead and move to Swedistan
@@Gori-f9gSorry but what's the problem here? What do you find as sad exactly?
The invaders have become the invaded and they don't like it hahahah. How ironic.
What extreme, you have no idea what extreme is
@PoliticsAndCoffee_1865If they are causing problems and committing crimes then yes they should be deported. Europe used to deport its own native population who committed crimes to Australia and the USA.
@PoliticsAndCoffee_1865no it's not in the 1940s Extremeism was fucking Nazism
@PoliticsAndCoffee_1865 That is highly misleading, buddy, and flirts with outright falsehood, buddy. It is misleading because it implies that people of non-French background will no longer be allowed to live in France. In fact that would be true in a tiny minority of cases. In normal cases the usual pathway to French citizenship would remain open; it would simply not be automatic.
Nor is not to grant automatic citizenship to those born to foreigners at all extreme, for such an automatic grant is given in only 22 out of 190+ countries in the world. Japan, for instance, would like to have a word with you.
I don't have all day to improve upon the truth value of your crude assertion, so to help speed things up, here is Perplexity's response to the query _Does the Rassemblement National say that people born in France who are not of French background should be deported?_ :
"Based on the search results provided, there is no indication that the Rassemblement National (RN) explicitly states that French-born people who are not of French background should be deported. However, the party does propose significant changes to French citizenship and immigration policies that would affect people born in France to foreign parents:
* The RN wants to abolish France's "droit de sol" (jus soli), which currently grants French nationality at 18 to people born on French soil to foreign parents, provided they have lived in France for at least five years since the age of 11.
* Instead, the RN proposes restricting automatic French nationality by blood, granting it only to people born to at least one French parent.
* The party aims to impose "very strict conditions" for naturalization, based on guarantees of assimilation, mastery of the French language, and respect for French laws and customs.
* The RN suggests that naturalized French citizenship could be withdrawn in cases where naturalized citizens commit acts "incompatible with French nationality or prejudicial to the nation's interests".
* Jordan Bardella, the RN president, has made comments about "French people of foreign origin locked into in repentance and hatred of France," suggesting a distinction between different categories of French citizens based on their origins.
While these proposals do not explicitly call for the deportation of French-born people who are not of French background, they do indicate a desire to restrict access to French citizenship and create distinctions between different categories of French citizens based on their origins. The party's overall stance appears to be focused on significantly reducing immigration and tightening citizenship requirements, rather than explicitly calling for the deportation of French-born individuals without French background."
-Sources listed: Le Monde, Reuters, France24, Radio France Internationale
[And note that these sources are known more for hostility to conservative points of view than for freedom from political bias. Two are owned and funded by the French state, buddy.]
@PoliticsAndCoffee_1865 removing the french nationality to descendant of immigrants is insane and would mean I would no longer be french even though thats all I have ever known
Things being "not so bad" is not the same as "good" though. Twist and rationalise all you want, but there is no denying that the results were pretty horrible for Macron's faction.
The status quo remains >90% intact.
"Extreme right" 🙄
a straightforward calque of "extrême droite", the most common French term for it
@@TheBalladier The most common term in the heavily left-leaning and partly state-owned French media, perhaps.
He called Melencon extreme left TBF
"right wing forces close to Vladimir Putin" come on now...
😂😂
I mean, their anti-aid policies for Ukraine would directly benefit Vladimir Putin.
Don't you know, Communism is the new far right?
He is right
A lot of right wing groups are directly linked to Putin, theres more than enough proof for that.
Extreme right?? Come on now man, your bias is seriously showing
True. Le Pen is far from extreme right. Not even close.
Dual citizenship is not allowed in the US, and never has been. If you want to become a US citizen you are required to renounce all other citizenship(s). Sorry if I don't see the big deal of limiting government positions involving national security to French citizens.
France has a diaspora, America does not. It's not crazy to imagine an ethnically french person from Algeria coming to France and joining the government and not having any conflicts of interest, that is not so for the USA, we are all immigrants and we have to give up our ethnic identity for a national identity in order to be a cohesive and coherent nation. We don't all drink wine and eat baguettes here, we're not all fish&chips at the pub guys. There is no 500 year old cuisine, tradition or ritual indigenous to the USA.
Because not every civilized country thinks isolationism is a good thing, unlike some folks in the US.
Please cite the legal provision in question. I know multiple people with dual US and other citizenship, and even Boris Johnson was a dual citizen between UK and US!
The US does allow dual citizenship - there are 1000s of dual US and Canadian nationals for example. Also US/Irish, US/Italian etc. But you are right in that some government roles are restricted to US-only citizens .
This is untrue, Rishi Sunak has a US passport and a UK passport and he was the PM
For information the national assembly were about to vote the dissolution of the government. Macron decided to act first and dissolved it, to avoid a degraded mediatic image in france and internationally and to look like a democrat.
Today, most of the French hate him mainly because of the antidemocratic law he used excessively (49.3) which enabled him to bypass the national assembly.
Also the bi-nationality proposition of Lepen didn't concerned many public jobs but only security/defense/intelligence ones (such as avoiding people owning french and russian passports to access confidential information that could be a security threat to the country).
Lastly, the far left party has indeed the majority of seats in the left coalition, but Melenchon is the most feared politician in France, far ahead of lepen (feared by 73% of French people). It is one of the reason Melechon / his party won't be picked as prime minister.
I have read a lot of news and there's none showing that lfi is the most feared party in France by 73% of the people. Maybe it's from echo chambers. But I'll be willing to read it. Secondly, lfi has not been labelled legally as far right as far as I know, while the Rally national had applied to be relabeled legally as only a right party but had been denied by the courts because of its constitution. This is a party who uses fear mongering against Muslims by saying they are against LGBTQ rights and the minorities while also advocating for policies that are against LGBTQ and the minorities. The controversial policy change you are talking about is nonsensical. Have you forgotten that we have multiple Algiers, and Saharans and many other former french colony citizens? Are they saying they did not deserve work in the French public service? Has they forgotten why they are in the public service? It is extremely clear that this is a racist policy designed to exclude former french colonial citizens from joining the service because of their underlying agenda that is, undeniable even in the present day as their own constitution as determined by a court of law is advocating for a fascist nation. And you could not deny that. Yes, there are some questionable stuff that Jean lec Melenchon had said, but I only can say the Ukrainian thing is wrong. Palestine? We should support Palestine, as many french had shown. And that is the only two things that makes people think he is radical. And he is definitely not anti semite. Being against Zionism is not anti semite
extreeme right eh?
Most frightening on the list: "the radical left"...
Close to Vladimir Putin? Why do you say that? It's there any evidence of what you're saying? I'm just curious. 1:03
Yeah, that one was new to me.
Aren’t they planning to pull support from Ukraine? That’s a direct support for Putin
@@entropy8634you'd be correct
@@elsol1176I say we Let countries fight the wars themselves and we sees who wins
@@THE.CONFIDENTIAL sorry I genuinely don't understand. Do you mean Russia and Ukraine should be left alone to fight it out?
lol. Framing this from the perspective of a Macron victory is hilarious. The NFP achieved a relatively majority and is already working to pick a PM to head a minority government.
The French people have rejected Macron’s centrism. This is why Le Pen did so well.
What is needed now is a coherent, actionable, moderately left program that will address France’s most pressing concerns, and it must be executed well.
since when is putting french people first far right and extreme ?
The term “far right” is the most anti-democratic demonization of a major party ever. They did win the most votes, millions more than the other two coalitions.
What is the definition of a French person to you? If they have citizenship in France, does their ethnicity, race, and/or religion matter to you?
@@featherfiend9095 yes that’s what makes them French your getting ethnicity and nationality confused
Because it is reactionary.
It vi0lates the 150 - 200+ year old liberal concept of equality.
@@featherfiend9095I wouldn't agree with the person that responded to you, but I def vote for Le Pen. This situation is utterly unacceptable and making leftists in power can only make our debt and inflation worse. I vote for Le Pen not because of nationalism, though indeed immigration has been an issue and I hope you don't deny it out of your conformation bias, and I would appreciate if there's more border control and deportation of violent illegals. It's simply that, Le Pen is way better than the stateless moneyless fantasy
Stop calling the centrists far right.
Trump is Right Wing, Nigel Farage is Right-Wing, Le Pen is Far-Right. Her speeches on the double citizenship restriction really cross a line that no right-wing person guided by family and values would cross.
@@MarceloNunesPOAThey are NOT far-right though so…
@@MarceloNunesPOA Why? You can drop a second citizenship if you want. Having duel citizenship is a choice. I don't see anything wrong with requiring people to commit to your country if they want to server you country in sensitive positions.
@@stanbily9416they are. When you contest the legitimacy of institutions and sort citizens based on who they are, you are far-right
@@MarceloNunesPOA Wtf are you talking about? If that's the case then the entirety of East Asia esp Japan, Middle East and South East Asia is Far right then because they do not allow dual nationality. You only owe your allegiance to one constitution and that's it! This is such a basic thing for France to do. Even if dual nationality was looked favorably it wasn't mean to be given to non Europeans. It was always the case for EU nationals only like French and German instead of French and Somali, totally different values and would break social cohesion.
It must be stressed that cohabitation is a parliamentary RULE in French 5th Republic. Not a written rule, but a strict tradition that stems from political parameters. This 5th Republic is designed to allow the largest parliamentary group to govern (aswell as being destituted if not strong enough). If Macron maintains his government or appoints one from his own camp, he'll be the first president to disavow and disrespect the results of a legislative election, and democracy itself. Macron MUST appoint a PM from the Left coalition. Not doing so is going authoritarian. The coalition required to govern with stability cannot be decided by his minority. We are so concerned and angry here.
For sure it is an obvious flaw of our current constitution, that Macron still has full political powers to disrespect democracy. Mélenchon's France Unbowed Platform is also a protest against just that, aiming for a 6th Republic where democracy is protected from presidential abuses of power. This is why coalitions are not as obvious for us as they are for some other countries. 3 whole conceptions of political society are clashing.
Based upon my understanding he didn’t lose, but he didn’t win either. He is more of a lame duck president now
The devil has fully revealed himself. Now the final judgment will come upon him. The French don't give up on him. The whole world is rooting for M. L. Pen. Shame and disgrace for the globalist Macron
Mélenchon is not descended from Algerian parents. He's a French, Spanish and Italian descent but was born in Morocco when it was still a French colony. He doesn't have any Moroccan or Algerian ancestry.
It's always "The hard right extremist" verses the well meaning Left. Traditional values like freedom, safety and integrity are not "extreme."
That quote from Tusk though!!!
Pathetic they had to gang up on a woman.
yo mean that one woman did not even run in this election?
I don't know: White/European: ~85%
North African: ~10%
Black: ~3-5%
Asian: ~1-2%
According to Claude, I don't blame them voting for Le Pen.
Sánchez and Macron got it right when calling to elections, but David Cameron and Sunak not... *Point for the continentals!*
Love it …great video !!!
A lot of inaccuracies and a bit of misinformation...
the EU was created for one solitary purpose:
to let the UK regain its empirical status it lost in the 70's.
what she lost in geography, gained in world financial domination
via the city of london
then as soon as she attained this, Brexited
Ils disent qu'il n'y a pas d'arrangement...
The fix was in 😂
Poland will be do well in the future
Great analysis. Thanks.
That Donald Tusk quote sounds like it was from the black heart of a globalist warmonger.
Zip it, vatnik
It's a pretty normal sentiment for anyone neighbouring Russia. Especially when you're Poland and last 200 years of your history has been fighting suffering from Moscow's barbarian hordes.
At 7:16 you got it wrong, Les Républicains will not support Macron. In the last 2 years they didn't want to and Macron had to concede a lot in every piece of legislation to have them vote it, every time.
If Macron wants a majority, he needs both Les Républicains and the socialist party (who historically hate one another). But the socialist party is part of the NFP with France Insoumise, the greens and the communist party. Yes in theory they could split and join Macron but they were elected as part of a coalition. Since they nearly went extinct between 2017 and 2022, I don't think they'll risk betraying their supporters, that would be a political suicide.
I think Macron will try and will keep Gabriel Attal his PM for now, but I doubt it will work.
I find it more likely that the NFP allies with the independant left and center candidates and then discusses with Macron's coalition on an individual basis for each law they want to pass.
As for who will be PM, it won't be Mélenchon as for some reason think he's extreme left (you guys calling them that is absurd btw he's a social democrat not a revolutionary) but Olivier Faure of the socialists or someone not part of a party but really popular could succeed.
Btw it would be appreciated if you stopped supporting Macron so publicly and stop the bias associated with that : "Let's not lose faith, things don't look so bad for Macron" Can you be even more explicit in your support?
"No France will not be governed by communists" Well, no since there are no communists in the assembly at all... France Insoumise and the communist party are social democrats, they never had for plan to seize the means of production, abolish private property or nationalize all industries. So stop calling them extreme left. Extreme left is for revolutionary communists, anarchists and libertarian socialists.
The whole centre and left United like cockroaches to defeat Le Pen on orders from DC. What a Shame.
Marine le Pen is the star that shines for all europeans and will unite us against the common struggle against Islam.
Apparently not.
From 3rd place
Go to a psychologist, you clearly need some support
@@marcotorelli7026 You're blind if you cannot see the demographic change in France, the Arabization and Islamization of districts..
@@LightForxesmost of them are probably Algeriens who were under the French republic. They are not exactly Arabs nor are they very religious. If you walk in Paris you will see lot of non white people who you don't like. But you gotta remember Paris is the most visited city on earth so a huge number of non white people that are seen in Paris are tourists. Right wingers don't take this into consideration
Not one "prediction" of the National Rally taking close to a majority of seats did a detailed analysis like you see in the USA with respect to swing states. This wasn't a failure in polling. It was skipping doing the analysis. The National Rally didn't point out this issue because they wanted to get as many votes as possible by an enthusiastic base. The Republican Front - the centrists and left - didn't point out this issue because they wanted to get as many votes as possible from a scared base. The news media - well, they are mainly part of the Republic Front both in domestic sources like France 24 and DW, and BBC. Other sources in Britain presumably went the National Rally fanboy route. Sigh!
She took off her mask at the eleventh hour to reveal her true intent. Man, I don't know if my country's electorate (🇺🇲) will be that smart to see through that nonsense like the French.
What did she say ?
@@kingjahad100 it was an interview posted to (US) PBS translated into English on July 5. There was a CNN logo on the bottom right, so not sure if there's a local affiliate there or what was the originating source. It's where she commented on pulling back on Ukraine support, immigration, security, something to the effect of placing citizenship on getting government jobs/programs, role in the EU, and not addressing or purging racist candidates in her party. It's available on RUclips if you search for her last interview before the election.
@@jpablo700 Other than pulling out of ukraine i see nothing wrong here no other country allows dual citizens to hold Govt positions due to security concerns and political concerns seems reasonable enough
@@charles___ I'm not a French citizen. Just an observer who routinely visits France and the EU. Comment is my observation and supported by many French people I know and the outcome of their election.
You know what would’ve been cool? If Korra went to the northern water tribe to see how they were responding to all this and try to convince them to oust her Uncle, instead of ending up in some random fire national nunnery.
Who will govern France?...the EU as usual
Being honest with the decline of e Europe of all countries i can only see france and England pulling out before the EU becomes minority in their own country
Here you go mate:
I'm so proud of Le Pen!
Same
Le Pen always falling short of victory
this 2 rounds election system is really great to prevent extremism. i wish they teach us all how to french
It has spectacularly failed, you mean ? A bonapartist system that can default to a moderate all the time will lead to mediocrity in the long run, and people being fed up will choose the extremes. Polarisation 101
Depicting this is a major win for macron is actually so clueless lol great way to start the video 😂
Whats’s proofreading the thumbnail?
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
And here I thought other countries think America's congress never got things done because of too much bickering. France can't even get a majority vote.
Because the moderates, who were favoured systematically, have become so mediocre that the votes go to the extremes.
Prior to 2022 there was always an absolute majority under the 5th republic, exept for the 1986 elections which had proportional voting but elected a strong coalition of 2 parties (centre right UDF and right RPR).
Okay I am unsubscribing this channel for quoting tusk, u guys r liberal bias 2hard and this content sukcs since bald guy left honestly
Melenchon Social Democratic. Ok buddy. All we need to know.
Unfollowing. I liked that content was at least keeping me up to date but honestly tired of this left bias and “extreme right”
if france government ended from macrons gamble on this ended in deadlocked or nothing ending it will trigger a presidential election unfavoritng more to macron
I am driving a Renault Climber rental right now. It is so counter intuitive. Why ? What are they French trying to prove. Going nowhere the long way around.
Sad 😢
There will be positions opening up in France. Do de Gaulle or Napoleon have any descendants who are looking for a job?
The last of Napoleons line died in the Boer War sadly.
Extreme right wing who's the One rioting
Nobody but the immigrants and the captain national soccer Mahbbe team will set the terms.....numero ono ...double or triple the inflow of immigrants and pay them three times more.
I don't trust Brit in anything 😅
France deserves Macaron
Yes
Cruising to victory. You can’t stop it with all this silly maneauvering .
The Frenchies love to loose
Plz don't go to the left!
A pyric victory
Tonald dusk
A 🤡, that's who
France is a little Morocco.
Very good education
What a relief for Macron as the far right still flopped. Surprisingly, the centrist and leftist prevailed and outlasted the far right by a huge margin.
left? not far left ?
well it is europe
The devil has fully revealed himself. Now the final judgment will come upon him. The French don't give up on him. The whole world is rooting for M. L. Pen. Shame and disgrace for the globalist Macron
second
Are you two?