Fabricating A Winch Bumper For The 3RD Gen Toyota 4Runner!!

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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
  • Building a winch bumper for the 2002 Toyota 4Runner!
    Check out these bumper plans on my website!!!
    avrcustoms.com...
    Follow me on Instagram! / austinniemela
    Items used in the video:
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    4runner build list:
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Комментарии • 236

  • @stevewhyte8476
    @stevewhyte8476 3 года назад +6

    Austin says I'm no rocket scientist, but he knows a hell of a lot about household cleansers! my go to channel for oven cleaners and related.

  • @thefun-v2466
    @thefun-v2466 3 года назад +5

    These bumpers just keep getting better, you have such an amazing talent for this. I'm surprised you haven't made your own break press yet for bending the metal . I can't wait to see what the truck looks like when its lifted and has bigger tires.

  • @flyboy2610
    @flyboy2610 2 года назад

    Nice build! I like that you used tools that us common folk would have, not expensive steel working machinery that only a professional custom fabricator could afford!

  • @garethl.2123
    @garethl.2123 3 года назад +14

    I feel sorry for whatever hits this bumper in the future. What a unit

  • @gregnorvell9730
    @gregnorvell9730 3 года назад +2

    I like how your tools, shop and execution of the build is like what most people have and can afford. Very good job on the bumper. You got a sub!

  • @willb3018
    @willb3018 3 года назад +3

    Austin really does have a knack for these bumpers. Another great one

  • @glenniz1
    @glenniz1 3 года назад

    A good strong cup of coffee, a plate of biscuits and gravy, and my television tuned to your channel. Talk about starting your day off on the right foot, your fab skills are simply amazing Austin!!! Keep up the Great Work Bro!!!

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      Sounds like a good time lol thanks!

  • @juanalfaro8058
    @juanalfaro8058 Год назад

    oh my friend you make look everyting so easy... .. you are so good mechanic...

  • @charlieboozer9868
    @charlieboozer9868 3 года назад

    I love how you show the work at a pace thst can allow people to umderstand how it should be done. In my book you at a master fabricator. Keep up the good work brother.

  • @wheelieking71
    @wheelieking71 3 года назад +1

    I gotta say, you build a damn fine bumper Sir! I have been really impressed with all your fab work actually. Keep it up!

  • @alexzbarazky3038
    @alexzbarazky3038 2 месяца назад

    Thats a great looking bumper! I'll be making a similar design one plus a full front coverage bull bar for my Econoline.

  • @tradeMark182
    @tradeMark182 3 года назад +4

    Man we missed you Austin ❤

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Yeah this bumper took a while to build!

  • @thescottishhammer7570
    @thescottishhammer7570 3 года назад

    Looking forward to seeing this 3rd gen 4Runner get its lift and tires. Love these things!!

  • @tonysantana1493
    @tonysantana1493 3 года назад

    You did a nice job as normal! Building these kind of bumpers are fun. Can't wait to see yours rapture lined.

  • @everythingsucks6086
    @everythingsucks6086 3 года назад +2

    Beautiful truck buddy!! I have the same winch on my 93' 4runner and my 96' Tahoe, they are awesome! Sweet bumper as well!!

  • @monicashley1
    @monicashley1 3 года назад +3

    Loved the bumper build. Austin, I recently saw a video of a Tundra big brake upgrade for the runner from Timmy the toolman. It’d be good since your adding some weight to the truck.

  • @thebrojectlist6881
    @thebrojectlist6881 3 года назад

    Really like the quality of the work, very nice job!! The people on youtube are so spoiled these days to have such nice video's to watch. I know It is A LOT of work to fabricate something, film it at the same time and then editing all the clips afterwards. Splendid job, i liked and subscribed!!

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Thank you!! Yes its alot of work, and i made the templates for it as well!!

  • @1lionconqueror
    @1lionconqueror 3 года назад

    Man, that is sick. Awesome handy work, clever chap!

  • @tommysantos1658
    @tommysantos1658 3 года назад

    Boy do i enjoy these fabrication videos man. Awesome content

  • @SangTran-zn7lq
    @SangTran-zn7lq 3 года назад

    Clean and simple. Love it.

  • @voolandashland2914
    @voolandashland2914 3 года назад

    what a masterpiece of work man

  • @darrylbarger3795
    @darrylbarger3795 3 года назад +1

    Austin, your fabrication, production and editing skills are impressive. I completely enjoy all your videos. I too am a Toyota fan. I've owned a 93 SR5 which I fixed up and drove for a few years then turned it over to my Son and it survived him 2 and half years before he totaled it. I so wish I still had it now. I currently own an 04 4Runner V8 Sport since new. I bought a Shrockworks winch bumper and rear CBI bumper. I wish I had your fab and welding skills. Could have save oodles of $. I'm currently looking for another SR5 or Tacoma but they are so expensive, miled out and rusty here in WV.

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Thank you man! Yeah these older Toyota’s are getting hard to find!

    • @jvogler_art4708
      @jvogler_art4708 2 года назад

      @@austinniemela Not here in Cali they're all over still!

  • @hog_hunter8287
    @hog_hunter8287 2 года назад +1

    amazing work nice and neat i like it

  • @bruceburton5944
    @bruceburton5944 2 года назад

    Just picked up a 92 4Runner. Wish I had one of your bumpers. With a little view of winch cable only flaw I saw. Possibly a skid plate you can bolt on and remove. North Carolina here

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  2 года назад

      Thanks! I do make plans for the 89-95!

  • @michaelperryman7078
    @michaelperryman7078 3 года назад

    That bumper looks fantastic. I have been looking for a bumper for my 3rd gen.thanks for the videos

  • @ToddSwagerty
    @ToddSwagerty 2 года назад

    Looks really good

  • @Shrek-is-Love
    @Shrek-is-Love 3 года назад +1

    Really looking forward to this 4runner build. Long-arm lift kit maybe? Keep up the good work!

  • @jonathan5354
    @jonathan5354 3 года назад

    love it. good to see it all in one video. your video editing is really good.

  • @laskislerba
    @laskislerba 3 года назад +1

    Came first as niemela sounded like Finnish lastname, signed and stayed for content. Keep up the good work :)

  • @unclejesse88
    @unclejesse88 3 года назад +1

    When lifting those heavy bumpers on and off, get some bolts the same size as the ones bolting the bumper on, but longer. Cut the heads off and grind a slot in the end. Then you can use them as studs to help hang the bumper easier. Also, I'm sure no one would complain if there was a "how I built a table for my drill press" video...

  • @FlynDirty1
    @FlynDirty1 3 года назад

    Master Fabricator

  • @ItsJoshN
    @ItsJoshN 3 года назад

    Hey Austin, remember me? I commented that I was new to the channel almost a month ago and I'm happy to say that I just bought my first Toyota! A 1992 4x4 Pickup with the 3.slow and an automatic! It won't be my forever truck but I am so excited. Thanks for all the content and keep it up :)

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      Awesome! Congrats on the new truck!

  • @melidigitaki1475
    @melidigitaki1475 3 года назад

    Always love your videos, amazing craftsmanship bro!!!!

  • @romaromarquez3586
    @romaromarquez3586 3 года назад

    exelente trabajo amigo .. te falto mostrar el resultado final con pintura
    saludos desde cucuta colombia

  • @lichelleleeson7005
    @lichelleleeson7005 3 года назад

    Nice job bud. Your workmanship is top class

  • @awhipps
    @awhipps 3 года назад

    I was excited to see this was a longer video, but it went by super quick. Great as always! Nice start to my Sunday before going out to the garage watching new videos from my favorite two channels, this one and Dirt Lifestyle.

  • @MussaKZN
    @MussaKZN 3 года назад

    Nice bar Austin, practice makes perfect!
    I love your CAD!
    Cardboard Austin Design!

  • @Moreno0101
    @Moreno0101 3 года назад

    That bumper looks dope! Great job!

  • @allenhorne7032
    @allenhorne7032 3 года назад

    Love the design of the bumper! Great job! A good tip when it comes to welding and you want to let it cool down as you go, use an air compressor and blow it off as you go, makes it go alot quicker. I've seen a show called Bad Chad who builds custom cars and that what they do to be able to keep working and it still be able to cool down to avoid it warping. I can't wait to see the finished product! Looking great!

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      Thanks!! I have used air in the past, I just found something else to do while it cooled off!

    • @allenhorne7032
      @allenhorne7032 3 года назад

      Austin, are you gonna paint it or raptor line it?

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      @@allenhorne7032 raptor line! I love the stuff for bumpers!

    • @allenhorne7032
      @allenhorne7032 3 года назад

      @@austinniemela awesome, l like the look of that stuff as well for bumpers!

  • @johncourtneyscott2757
    @johncourtneyscott2757 2 года назад

    It looks great

  • @rhyswilliams695
    @rhyswilliams695 3 года назад

    Sweet job Austin.

  • @MarreroBuilt
    @MarreroBuilt Год назад

    Amazing work!.

  • @richardmiller5238
    @richardmiller5238 3 года назад

    Another good video! Thanks for putting these type videos out!

  • @hovig
    @hovig 3 года назад

    Awesome build

  • @14KiloWhisky
    @14KiloWhisky 3 года назад +2

    Always good work 🙂👍

  • @california199_7
    @california199_7 3 года назад

    Amazing what a awesome job you did, thanks for sharing. Only if I was smart enough to build that to my 3rd gen too

  • @phillippearce9680
    @phillippearce9680 3 года назад

    Awesome job!👍

  • @NoLimitsFunGarage
    @NoLimitsFunGarage 2 года назад

    I'd love to see you working on a 90 series Prado

  • @garagegnomes
    @garagegnomes 3 года назад

    Good stuff man! I really like those integrated recovery mount/gussets.

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Thanks! That’s my favorite part of the bumper!

  • @stanwardoshiro
    @stanwardoshiro 3 года назад

    When I installed my winch, I hid the relay box behind the bumper and relocated the connector to the front plastic grille. Did this on my 06 Xterra and 05 Frontier.

  • @bobbygrey5859
    @bobbygrey5859 2 года назад

    Very good video and thank you 👍🏽

  • @douglasthompson2740
    @douglasthompson2740 2 года назад +1

    Is air flow for cooling the radiator an issue with your 4Runner? Might be an issue in hotter climates? Blocks a lot of frontal air flow. Does look nice though.

  • @dc5723
    @dc5723 3 года назад

    Looks awesome especially your stack of dimes welding.

  • @petereverest2736
    @petereverest2736 3 года назад

    I do like whatchng things being done the old way as in making them

  • @michaelsfabwork2985
    @michaelsfabwork2985 3 года назад

    Great video. You do great work very clean and great craftsmanship. I want to build me a bumper for my H3. I just finished my rock sliders/ steps and they came out good. I look forward to seeing more. Take care and stay safe.

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Thank you!! Sounds like a fun project!

  • @jac3975
    @jac3975 3 года назад

    Just a thought with the winch controller.
    Why not remove the controller plug from the controller box and leave it where it is, extend the wiring and mount it independently so all you have to do is plug the controller into the bar. At the same time you can run in cab control switches that will both disable the power to the winch through the earth (when not in use) and control in/out while sitting in the car. All you need is a 5 or 7 wire trailer cable, it’ll be much cleaner and easier in the long run.
    Love the channel by the way. Found you while searching ways to paint a rear tray back in the days of the red Toyota tray build and subbed for brilliant content since. Much respect from down under 🇦🇺 👊

  • @nickchen-yin7821
    @nickchen-yin7821 3 года назад +1

    Fabrication is tight and clean AF. Curious: what brand hand saw are you using to cut the plates?

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      Thanks! Its a eastwood saw, link in description!

  • @thomascoolidge2161
    @thomascoolidge2161 3 года назад +1

    Man you could make money if you sold kits for folks to build this bumper themselves or if you sold the design to someone like true north fabs or cbi.. this is an amazing bumper for third gens!!

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      I do sell the plans with templates to scale! www.avrcustoms.com!

  • @roseanna9100
    @roseanna9100 3 года назад

    Hello from the uk, you do great work

  • @CB-hr6zs
    @CB-hr6zs 3 года назад

    Good stuff bro the bumper is really nice came out great

  • @randyrocket461
    @randyrocket461 Год назад

    You should use something to protect the trees bark ! but your bumper looks great !

  • @levimonsen1006
    @levimonsen1006 3 года назад

    Man, fab skills are unreal. Might have to use your plans to build mine. 4xinnovations is the only other company that bolts onto the existing holes rather than cut the mount and weld in a new one like everyone else.

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Thank you! Yea i like the idea of not cutting the frame so a stock bumper in the future is still an option!

  • @arvindriddick
    @arvindriddick 3 года назад

    Finallyyyy. I hav been waiting so long for this vid. I love it man. I love it allot

  • @ardenwfoster5380
    @ardenwfoster5380 3 года назад

    Austin, Always a pleasure watching your videos! I have a one owner 94 4RUNNER SR5 3.0l 4x2. I really like the headlights you have if you would could you please give me a link for the headlights! Thank You in advance! keep up the great videos. Arden

  • @dee4hunteradventure899
    @dee4hunteradventure899 3 года назад

    Yo! That looks sick man! I wish i can slap that on my 3rd gen. Bolt on is the way i like it. 🤘

  • @douglasthompson2740
    @douglasthompson2740 2 года назад

    It would be nice if you removed that one 1/8" gusset right under the fairlead and replaced it with a piece of 1/2" exactly shaped the same but with a hole in it for a shackle pin. That would give a straight line pull when using a snatch block and also if being towed it would give a straight ahead force instead of the angled pull when pulling off center (tougher to steer and on the frame). Just for kicks and giggles it would be interesting to know if there is any factory difference in front end components between a four cylinder and a six cylinder 4Runner. Give you an idea if the added weight might increase wear on them with one more incremental increase? Something I always wondered about when I did my 85 Toyota back in the nineties. I added an additional battery box in the one wing and a tool box in the other with a battery switch and covered lids to keep the weather out. I used an 8000# Ramsey winch which was about a 100# alone. Kept the truck for three or four years after that and didn't notice any problems but always wondered about that and what moderating effect all that steel had on the 'crumple zone' designed in to absorb energy in a crash? Never got any good information on either. I painted it with a coal tar epoxy and had a push bar above the winch. Never saw any rust which was good. Enjoy your fabricating.

  • @josephdejesus8125
    @josephdejesus8125 3 года назад

    It looks good 👍

  • @artorantasalo5677
    @artorantasalo5677 3 года назад

    Very good video ! 👍

  • @glensmith766
    @glensmith766 3 года назад +1

    Seems like a hole in the top would make it easier to get at the free wheel / engage lever on the winch. Rather than having to reach in blind from the side.

    • @jason328d6
      @jason328d6 3 года назад

      I have a smittybilt winch and the clutch lever sometimes takes a lot of force to move it. Gonna want good access to it.

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Theres plenty of room there to reach in!

  • @c.cortes1888
    @c.cortes1888 3 года назад

    Incredible!

  • @dezfan
    @dezfan 3 года назад

    Turned out great. 👍🏼

  • @GaryArmour-z2m
    @GaryArmour-z2m 4 месяца назад

    You definitely have skills. I have a 2002 Toyota 4 runner and I’ve been wanting to change the front and back bumper nothing hard very simple and sleek by chance do you make custom bumpers for purchase?

  • @1993Revhead
    @1993Revhead 3 года назад

    Definitely reckon some hoops on it would look tough too.

  • @JEREMY120983
    @JEREMY120983 3 года назад

    Beautiful! That's solid💪

  • @ryguy08781
    @ryguy08781 3 года назад

    Awesome work as always , keep it up! 👍

  • @jstef928
    @jstef928 3 года назад

    I'm waiting on a 2011 Chevy Tahoe bumper build from you and plan for this/my truck.

  • @notatrdyota5244
    @notatrdyota5244 3 года назад

    Awesome bumper. Will you be making a rear for it???

  • @uriasmendez9972
    @uriasmendez9972 2 года назад

    Do you also make them for sell if not what’s the steel sizes you use to them? And you did a suck great job everything looks so smooth 💪🏻💪🏻

  • @diyjeff1838
    @diyjeff1838 3 года назад

    Nice work!!

  • @rudetoy8264
    @rudetoy8264 2 месяца назад

    Very handy! Was it a Wolf Circular Saw 705W at 15:46 ?

  • @olbabybeard
    @olbabybeard 3 года назад

    Dope. Whats that rolling stool you're using and would you recommend?

  • @Umarov_us_
    @Umarov_us_ 3 года назад

    👍 nice job

  • @brianhind7477
    @brianhind7477 3 года назад

    Great job 👍

  • @dirtydrew420
    @dirtydrew420 3 года назад +1

    My girlfriend can understand why I devote the time to watching your videos lol. Awesome job man! I really enjoy seeing the progression and also seeing you learn from past experiences. And I'm learning those same lessons through you! Keep it up brother, stellar work!

  • @brandonknight7240
    @brandonknight7240 Год назад

    Dude nice bumper but how could you think that steel cable weighs 25lbs? Im thinking 8lbs max! Idk maybe im crazy

  • @MonkeySpecs301
    @MonkeySpecs301 3 года назад

    the shear strength of the bolt is stronger than the welds maybe?

  • @jorgehectorrivera3179
    @jorgehectorrivera3179 3 года назад

    When are you gonna do a rear bumper with tire mount on it? For that 4Runner!!!

  • @Taparrakas
    @Taparrakas 3 года назад

    Very very good i like

  • @jimmadonna1436
    @jimmadonna1436 3 года назад

    That's a great price for a Wench. They're less expensive than they were in the 80's. I can't tell you how much I love watching you Fabricating things. Your good at it! I think this is your best work so far. I'm looking forward to more Fab videos. You make miss my Toyota days. Hey I have a question I lost 2 O rings on my master link and I'm having a hard time finding one that fits. Do you have any idea where I can find rubber rings?

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      Thanks man!! I’m sure you can get the orings online! Not really sure as I’ve never needed to but just the rings

    • @jimmadonna1436
      @jimmadonna1436 3 года назад

      @@austinniemela thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I'll look on eBay or Amazon.

  • @stevebrackenridge9778
    @stevebrackenridge9778 3 года назад

    Nice work

  • @Mertesacker1
    @Mertesacker1 3 года назад +1

    Looks sweet. What about the holes for the blinkers? Or will you install any fog lights in it?

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      I have blinkers in the headlights

    • @Mertesacker1
      @Mertesacker1 3 года назад

      @@austinniemela no fog lights planned in installing?

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      @@Mertesacker1 yes I did fog lights as shown in the video 👍

  • @bradleygrapes3199
    @bradleygrapes3199 3 года назад

    Drill 4 holes and weld 4 nuts on bumper for licence plate.
    Make for nice finish

  • @Cat53278
    @Cat53278 3 года назад

    This is getting stupid watching these videos about the bumpers is making me want to make one for my 01 Toyota Echo hahaha Good Job man keep up the good work

  • @justinlawrence4562
    @justinlawrence4562 3 года назад

    Awesome Bro the bumper looks sick! Whish you could build a bumper for my truck!

  • @jsvallee567
    @jsvallee567 3 года назад

    nice build once again ! you give me the inspiration and the motivation to build a rear one for my 01 tacoma !! .. so im wondering if the one you build for the green truck could fit bolt on might gonna buy the template kit and give it a try soon worst case i just build my own mounting point

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      Thanks!! Honestly the rear bumper itself should be very close if not right on the money with the exception of the mounts, however they do mount very similar. The only think I’m not sure about is the frame width on the Tacoma but that wouldn’t change much!

  • @bradmatthews6658
    @bradmatthews6658 Год назад

    Hey Austin, would.this bumper suit a 1994 2nd gen 4runner.??

  • @PNWUpperLeft
    @PNWUpperLeft 3 года назад +1

    What do you think about the trail gear flat bed kit, for a 1990 Toyota SR5 Pickup

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад +1

      I have never used it so I can not comment on it!

    • @PNWUpperLeft
      @PNWUpperLeft 3 года назад +1

      @@austinniemela Ok, Thank you for the great content

    • @everythingsucks6086
      @everythingsucks6086 3 года назад +1

      My buddy has that flat bed kit on his SR5. I think its awesome and he loves it!

  • @VAN_allroad_NSK
    @VAN_allroad_NSK 3 года назад

    good

  • @bobthebuilder6315
    @bobthebuilder6315 3 года назад

    Dude (don't) I repeat don't waste your money on the HF badlands synthetic rope junk junk junk! The same with the aluminum guide it's cast not billet aluminum synthetic rope will cut right through it. However good choose on the winch. BTY you definitely have good instincts on building a great bumper your 1/2" hook mounts are spot on always put them in line with the frame 👍 👍 and always move around a lot when welding .

    • @austinniemela
      @austinniemela  3 года назад

      Thanks for the info! What synthetic ropes have you had good luck with?

    • @bobthebuilder6315
      @bobthebuilder6315 3 года назад

      @@austinniemela I would recommend most any major brands warn, Ramsay and the winch that you got even makes a good synthetic rope. Just do your research and get a nylon flat strap to put around trees and always lay a rag or even a shirt or coat over the cable for safety reason it will deflect the cable downward if it breaks

  • @j.j.clingman4083
    @j.j.clingman4083 3 года назад

    You should have split the main section in half & welded together in the center!! You are going to make some gussets & those could be out of one piece over lapping the splice in the middle!! That would definitely be the strongest way to do that!!