Marian devotion was so powerful that, by the time Islam came around, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Trinity was the Father, Son, and Mary. Real Christians love the theotokos
For the customes of people are; For one cuts a tree out of the forest the work of the hands of the workman with the axe. They deck it with silver and gold , they fasten it with nail and with hammer ; that is move not. Jeremiah 10-1-4 🎄🪓🥢🔨✝️🕳👈 and they also worship a dead man as their king and savior 😂, Halloween is to remind them who is the king 👑 Ezekiël 37-24-25 ? Judge 2-1 ? So mother of god bounced son of god himself? Son die on the cross? Christianism is worst than eating pig 🐖
I am new to the Catholic faith. For years, I denounced Marian doctrine, for this is what I was taught. The church of my childhood would only send missionaries to Catholic countries, for we "knew" they were all going to hell . Married to a wonderful Catholic man for over 40 years, finally in 2020, I found the evidence for Catholicism so overwhelming that I knew I would be sinning if I did not join. Unfortunately, I still need more good catechesis. The scriptural basis for Catholicism over Protestism is overwhelming... and as a good protestant i read and knew my Bible. But there were these MANY Catholic verses that were either ignored(John 6), explained away(Matt 16:18) , or outright disbelieved(1 Peter 3:21). Thank you so much for helping me toward the fullness of truth.
Yes the catholic church only tortured and killed people for 800 years to make them conform. Not evil at all. Mary lies in the ground until resurrection like all mortals.
hail mary full of grace the lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of death. Amen
As a Protestant, I was taught that original sin was passed through Adam which I guess was supposed to explain how Jesus didn't inherit original sin. But now it occurs to me that in order for Jesus not to have inherted original sin and be the new Adam, Mary herself couldn't have inherted original sin or she would have passed it along as well. I am wondering if any of the Church Fathers specifically addressed this?
But that is unbiblical. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: *But* made himself of no reputation, *and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men* And being found in *fashion as a man* he humbled himself, and became *obedient unto death* even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; {Philippians 2:5-10} Seeing then that we have a great high priest, *that is passed into the heavens* Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; *but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin* {Hebrews 4:14-15}
@@larrybedouin2921 Do you think Gods gifts and miracles are subject to human understanding? Theotokos did nothing to merit Full of Grace, it was a gift from God. I’m trying to understand how you are using scripture? Do you think Apostolic Churches believe Blessed Virgin Mary is equal to God?
Awesome! I am watching this during Advent between her two great feasts Of the Immaculate Conception and Our Lady of Guadalupe! I'm finishing up a two semester course on the Patristics through the Institute of Catholic Culture ( tomorrow will be our last class) so a great review! I just found your channel and definitely will be viewing your other videos. I assume that you attend the TLM (so do I ) Merry Christmas! Alma Redemptoris Mater!
59:00 Yet I have heard numberless priests say on Christmas Eve and in their Christmas letters that Mary suffered pain at the birth of Christ. Obviously they did not read the Church Fathers and have been influenced by modern so-called Bible scholars who seem to control all the RC institutions. I suppose that if it were so, it would be one of the Seven Sorrows of the BVM, but it is not.
A comment for the RUclips algorithm, behave Mr Algorithm as God is all powerful, and being all powerful has raised His lowly creatures to look on His face. And has even vested their skin, aka tabernacled amongst us! Big up this RUclips Creator! May our Lord protect and keep you, and the angels and saints pray to bless your content so you win many souls for mother Church, mother Mary. Thus the Lord shows all His creation His glory!
@@CBlackartist they reject the idolatrous version of Mary, the Catholic has created! They accept her as the mother of the Lord and as one of the 120 fellow believer who gathered in the upper room to wait for the coming of the Spirit. If veneration of Mary is required then John who was looking after after her being given to him at the cross, would have taught this! Not even Polycarp, the disciple of John suggests the kind of Catholic Mariology, so out of a pure conscience, they reject the Catholic version of Mary!
Once much desired joining myself to Rome, however, it was, you guessed it, the Marian Devotion thing, which persuaded me otherwise. I have other like minded friends who feel the same. Mary disappears from the New Testament in Acts...and doesn't pop up again, until the mid, 2nd century, in the Gnostic text, The Protevangelion of James. The term Gnostic is not a term of approbation, alas.
@horationelson57 As I responded to your comment on the video, you and your friends are missing out and have done yourselves a BIG discredit. But that's ok as you guys are excersizing your free will. Again, Marian dogmas were established in the church by Episcal COUNCILS. Bibically as per how the apostolic church in Acts 15 resolved NEW issues of faith, vis a vi circumcision and works of the Mosaic law. In the same manner, the apostolic church designated teachings through councils of ordained men as per 2 Tim 2:2 where we see Paul prescribing instructions for 4 GENERATIONS of succession! These men were given the same authority from the apostles to change all in heavan and earth. This is what you read, see in the scriptures, hear from the apostolic churches, yet deny as others have convinced you.
38:49 I agree with everything that is being said, but that tabernacle is a bit too weird for me. I like the traditional everything - traditional altar with a traditional box-like tabernacle on it with a humeral veil.
💒🙏🇺🇸....I'm Catholic....no walls.....just allowing the Truths & Knowledge of my Holy Mother to enter more deeply,...and connect the dots of the Divine Will.....Fiat🙏😊
It's mockery that anyone would try to say the literal mother of God wasn't anybody special like events like this happen all the time or something. I think some people have a hard time wrapping thier head around how grand God's plan really was.
@ he gave her grace and made her full of it and that’s how he saved her. Do you thank God only before he saves you. Are you grateful for your baptism still?
Hey, fellow Catholic here. Just wanted to let you know that there a few pseudonymous quotations that you used. I don’t want false information to be spread around or for a Protestant to catch you off guard. Both quotes you used for St. Hippolytus, are Pseudos. The first one for sure is a Pseudo, the second on which is quoted in Jimmy Akins book “The Fathers Know Best” I recently learned is a pseudo. I am still researching that one though so just keep an eye out for that one. The 4 Homilies on the Annunciation by St. Gregory Thamaturgus are Pseudos and were not written by him. However the other homily “Homily Concerning the Holy Mother of God, Ever Virgin” is authentic. Those are the one that caught my eye. Keep up the great work on Church History!
Mary features strongly in Islamic texts. This adds weight to the argument for the influence of Christianity on early Islam. Many see Islam as as offshoot of Arianism, which essentially viewed Jesus as human not divine (ie not Nicene Creed)
@@joebombero1 I was brought up in the Methodist tradition, I'm a happy-clappy hippie if anything, with an essentialist morality of 'be nice' a la parable of the good samaritan. I distinctly remember going into Church of England services and being very confused by the recitation of the Nicene Creed. What on earth is that all about ?! I've had many chats with Muslims, and their anti-trinitarian points of view are not a million miles away from my sense of discussions of the Trinity. Which is why on earth are people spending time so much in their heads rather than getting on with helping one another. Devout Muslims are equally stuck in their heads though with the notion that 'God is one'. But Mary has her own chapter in the Koran, chapter 19 Sura Maryam. And there are lots of indications Islam, at least in part, picked up many ideas from Arianism.
@@petergrimshaw492 I really enjoy lengthy discussions with Muslims. It is clear from the Koran that the early Muslims were very involved in the debates at the time, whether Jesus was God or simply a prophet, whether God had three persons or one, where to Kosher foods come in, what purpose is the church and priests, what purpose does fasting have and pilgrimages. Islam takes a stand on all these issues and I think it reveals a great deal about the early Church. The idea of not wearing shoes in the mosque, women being robed, women and men separated during religious services - all this comes directly out of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, where Mohammed and his followers found refuge in Ethiopia for a time. Really fascinating stuff. My grandfather was an old-school Methodist minister, back when they had tent revivals and baptisms in the river.
The Catholic was blessed also by Mama Mary he always keep appearing and helping her children. It is Jesus Christ himself said to his disciple behold your mother. The mother of all Christian.
It's important to note that there were (and still are) a lot of heresies floating around. This goddess worship was just one of them. Rome, it should be pointed out, absorbs other religions through religious synchronism, which is the process whereby an existing god or goddess is blended with the deity of another culture in order to "convert" the culture to the Roman religion. Rome isn't the only one to do this. Hinduism wound up with hundreds of gods and goddesses using synchronism. If you count up all the "saints", Catholicism has an equal number of deities in her pantheon.
The Lumen Gentium identifying Mary as "temple of the Holy Spirit" is more accurate than the often heard "spouse of the Holy Spirit" since the Holy Spirit didn't impregnate Mary; it/she conceived Jesus through Mary's body. It is telling that the female of highest honor and rank, even above seraphim, in this patriarchal religion is one who must pray for you and can't deliver anything herself. And of course they keep the Trinity all-male even though the Holy Spirit is likely female, depicted by a dove, the ancient symbol of the goddess and is described as a helper, teacher, consoler, comforter, advocate, much like a mother.
This might get answered this later in the film, do the Nestorian Church of The East have devotion to Mary. They don't agree with the title Theotokos I know that.
Orthodox doctrine holds far closer to the original beliefs before the additions within RCC post the schism of 1054. R Cathicism has elevated her so far many folk worship her in place of Christ.
15:20 In Galatians, he is contrasting between the law covenant and the Abrahamic covenant. He’s not trying to show anything about Mary in a prefigure. You guys try to read her into the Scriptures. You guys need to study typology and not just try to formulate typology where it suits you.
I can see your point on galatians, but if that is the only portion of his video u have a problem with...then that is an approval of the content, right?
@Sirach144 they all reverberate around the one issue of typology. How do I know that's legit and not u utilizing the one tool u know about? Walk me through it
@@CrispusTelenopokis The church I attend studies the scripture through the lens of typology. I have over 60 books on typology through the Bible. Types have to harmonize with the Bible and not as something that stands on its own. For example, there are more parallels between Christ and his bride with Adam and Eve than there are with Christ and Mary. For example, the rib was in Adam before she was taken from his body and formed into the bride and married back to him and they would rule over the Earth on the seventh day. The church is said to be in Christ before the foundation of the world we are taken from his body, we are married to Christ and we will reign over the Earth in the seventh day or millennium. There’s a direct parallel between the two. But just saying that Mary is the new eve with no substantiation other than the church just said so it is not typology. It’s a fabrication.
@@Sirach144 that was my point. Apparently you, and your church, have this one tool of typology (a hammer) and your coming into this guy's argument that is much more like a screw for an allen wrench. I actually do not agree with alot of this guy's content. But it was easy to see what u were doing was solipcistic...it was taking your tool to discredit everything else he says. That's not a fair way to assess anything in the life of academia, scholarship or research.
If the RCC believe that St. Mary is the savior of the world, so, let them believe what they want to believe. But for me, and other people in this world believe that Jesus Christ is the real savior of the world.❤❤❤
Shame on you! This is a deliberate misrepresentation of what the RCC believes. Only Jesus is our salvation. Yet He, Father Son and Holy Ghost, chose Mary as the vehicle to come into the world. Jesus took his body from her body and LIVED inside her for 9 months!
None of the churches described in the New Testament seemed to have any special devotion to Mary. I think it's (at least) misleading to say point blank that "It is the UNIVERSAL practice that ancient Christian churches that can trace their origins back to the very beginnings to the Twelve Apostles to practice some sort of devotion to Mary." Where do we find any evidence that that is a true statement in the New Testament? Corinth was a big church, so was Jerusalem. Ephesus had several churches. Paul wrote to all these churches and doesn't mention a "universal devotion to Mary" - not even once. The Apostle John, who had custody of Mary from Calvary forward says NOTHING in any of his epistles about a special devotion to Mary. James and Jude (the brothers of Jesus) are completely silent about this veritable GODDESS who raised them. Does that strike you in the least curious, given the Roman theology about Mary?
Here is the honest opinion of Protestants. Firstly this is indeed a powerful presentation though I am very familiar with all that has been covered as I have listened to so many Catholic apologists on the subject; Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Scott Hahn, Tim Staples, Trent and Jimmy Akan and probably more, but for Protestants these are non negotiable: Only God is good Mark 10:12 and both Catholics know that though Christ is fully man He is also fully God! For Prots you are either God or creature and will not accept anything in between, that's why Christ role is unique and no Protest will negotiate by adding anything else! Secondly, for Prots, it doesn't matter whether you are Calvin, Luther or whatever high status, you can err, so their position on Mariology has no influence whatsoever if it cannot be proven from scripture! The key question is did those eye witnesses of the Lord preach the stuff. It doesn't matter how early the practice. Thirdly Luke 17:10 John 3:29,30 is at the centre of every Protestant we will only glory in God and no other being, because all the good in us proceeds from Him and it is a privilege that he can choose to use in whatever way. Paul even gloried in His weaknesses so that only the Grace of God would shine through him. Fourthly, the ark itself represented God's presence, and not the contents within it, so we don't agree with Mary being the ark. Fifthly, the Protestant doesn't entertain speculative theories like the vow of Virginity which is rather obscure grasped from the wild to fulfill someone's fancy wishes and lacks historical support Sixthly, a Prot will not compromise on what scripture is saying, if the Bible says the Lord had brothers, that is what it is. If Matthew 1:25, says,"he didn't know her till," the Prot stays with the most natural interpretation. Seventhly, Prots find it laughable that disciples would have a glaring omission of something so fundamental like this in the gospel. This is omitted because it is not part of the gospel or it irrelevant. You are not required to meet some Mariology requirements before you can be saved. Eighthly, it sounds very idolatrous. Ninthly, the Woman who appears in Revelation 12, is still pregnant, so if that is the basis for her assumption, then she is still pregnant in heaven. Tenthly, if there was going to be the most explicit teacher on Marian dogmas, then John was going to be the champion. He was with her since the time she was given to him on the cross. He lived long enough to reflect thoroughly, but not even his disciples Polycarp and the like taught theae things! I had a few more, but enough for now. So sorry, we like Joshua 24:15 we choose to separate from you if you insist to go this direction
The problem with you guys is that you like to SAY that you don't accept theories without scriptural evidence, but that's BULL! Talk is cheap. The facts are your have accepted some GUYS RE-interpretation over the Catholic Church's, that's why you are protestant! You have accepted all that TRADITION TOO. Yep, the protestant position is just rebellion and unwillingness to submit to Christ and the scriptures He gave us. Even though you proport to be SOLA SCRIPTURA, or some associated nonsense like that. Fact is, that the Catholic Gospel is way better than your man made one. For us God makes us His sons to be His image, he doesn't just cover us like the watered down Gospel Prots have. For us, Jesus wants us to be in His family and will make us like Mary. Although she is more perfect than the angels. She is not devine. But she is alive in Christ. She is His mother. The fact is, is that it doesn't matter what verses you see, you have assigned yourself to a belief system. And that's OK. You have sone truth in it if you proclaim Christ as Lord and want God. Protestantism is satanic as it attacks Christ's body, His church. But Christ can bring good from Satan. Many possessed people go on to be VERY holy after being delivered from their possesors. We, Catholics, have the fullness of the truth.
Tenthly Prideful lucifer, " I will not serve", was thrown down from heaven. The Mother of God is all pure , all Holy, she mirror's her Son Jesus, and He loves her and honours her. Jesus Christ is a good son, He will not tolerate for long the blasphemers uttered against her by her enemies from the likes of you Prideful protestors. . Who cares what you think and how you mislead others by your twisted interpretation of Holy scripture. . "Hail FULL oh grace, the Lord IS with thee, blessed are you among women and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb". The angel of the Lord declared unto Mary...........
@mmbtalk protestantism is like Gnosticism. They analogise what they want, but when it suits them they say they will only "hold to the plain meaning of scripture". But sxripture doesn't matter to them, as they go all day long condemning OTHER protestant churches for not accepting their special verses or their interpretations of certain verses. It becomes verses VERSUS verses. So it's a joke. It's about interpretation. But whose interpretation? As it has gotten rid of the means to make a decision, a council ( Acts 15 ) or a Pope ( leader like Peter ). The problem is you have the WRONG view of what the New Testament is! The book is a history of the Church. Not a manual on how to make a Church! Also Jesus told you in the New Testament, what the New Testament REALLY IS.. it's the eucharist, the New Covenant ( καινὴ διαθήκη ). Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."
@mmbtalk The problem is you have the WRONG view of what the New Testament is! The book IS a history of the Church. Compiled by the Catholic church ( that's why it doesn't have the "Shepherd of Hermes" nor "The Protoevangelium of James" in it, the Church DECIDED they should not be included! ) It is NOT a manual on how to make a Church!
Also, Jesus told you in the New Testament, what "THE New Testament" REALLY IS.. it's the eucharist, the New Covenant ( καινὴ διαθήκη ). Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."
Once much desired joining myself to Rome, however, it was, you guessed it, the Marian Devotion thing, which persuaded me otherwise. I have other like minded friends who feel the same. Mary disappears from the New Testament in Acts...and doesn't pop up again, until the mid, 2nd century, in the Gnostic text, The Protevangelion of James. The term Gnostic is not a term of approbation, alas. Have other read this? What do you think?
@horationelson57 The protoevangelium emphasizes Christ's human nature, contradicting the core Christological doctrine of gnosticism/docetism, so I am curious what makes you deem it to be a gnostic text. Also, there are only a handful of documents available to us in general between the conclusion of the Gospel of John and the mid second century due to persecution, and the emphasis in these writings was generally on defending Orthodoxy from heretics or affirming the importance of the legitimate hierarchy rather than in reaffirming unchallenged doctrines. In the later fourth of this video, there are approximately 45 quotes of saints from the 2nd to 4th century who demonstrate a great, and appropriate, appreciation for Mary in the spiritual journey of the Christian. Mary is mentioned fourth most often in the New Testament after only Jesus, Peter, and Paul. Her role in the New Covenent is not insignificant because it is primarily in the Gospels and Acts. However, she is also referenced in Galatians as well as at the very least hinted at in association to the Ark in Heaven in Reveletation 11 and 12.
@horationelson57 Oh, and you have done yourselves a discredit! So near yet so far, Horatio! 😪 You have stopped short of the mark. Is Christ not Lord God? Is he not more than a book? Don't idolise the intellectual traditions you have trapped yourselves into. God is mystery and not human reason. Didn't Christ say He'd send the Paraclete to guide His church into all truth? John 16:13 And that the same spirit would teach them all things? Where is the Church you hold to in the first 1,500 years? Look at the sub tuum, from approx 200 AD!? You even do not give proper faith to the Spirit filled Gospel of Luke that calls her "full of grace"! A FULL chapter on her where she says, my soul magnifies the Lord! And in John 2 she points to her Son and there the Jesus says "my hour hasnot yet come"... yet the Trinity ( as the act on perfect UNISON ) brings forward His hour, BY HER INTERCESSION! What more do you want? Even our Lord said "you evil generation, you ask for miracles...." Christ told his apostles to go out and make disciples of the nations, Matt 28:19. This wasn't the guy casting out demons in Mark 9:38-40. But there he also "whoever is not against us", are you against the apostolic church?
Again, Marian dogmas were established in the church by Episcal COUNCILS. Bibically as per how the apostolic church in Acts 15 resolved NEW issues of faith, vis a vi circumcision and works of the Mosaic law. In the same manner, the apostolic church designated teachings through councils of ordained men as per 2 Tim 2:2 where we see Paul prescribing instructions for 4 GENERATIONS of succession! These men were given the same authority from the apostles to change all in heavan and earth. This is what you read, see in the scriptures, hear from the apostolic churches, yet deny as others have convinced you.
Protestant Greetings: “Greetings, O favored one, the lord is with you” “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the Fruit of your womb” “‘St. Mary, mother of my Lord’ I’m a sinner, in need of prayer, now until the hour of my death” Amen
@@Sirach144 Sure it does the correct English translation is full of grace the original text is Kecharitomene meaning "At all times full of grace". She was already full of grace BEFORE Archangel Gabriel came to visit her.
@@Sirach144kecharitomene (Mary) is different from pleres charitos (Stephen). -- in Stephen’s case, like all of us after baptism, filled with grace. And for Christians after confession: filled with grace. For some reason, Mary was more than just pleres charitos. She was kecharitomene.
@ Nope same Greek word root. And the exact same word used for Stephen is the exact same tense for Jesus at John 1:14!!! Check mate sir. So now you can’t say only Jesus and Mary are sinless based on being “full of grace” when the exact same word is for Jesus and John one and Stephen in Acts 6. There is no biblical justification for saying that because one was before baptism and one was after that one is sinless and one is not the exact same Greek word is used for Jesus and Stephen.
The reading of the Sub tuum præsidium, displayed and read in this video is a faithful rendition of this prayer, which has been polluted by Catholic interpretations over time. This is the Latin translation: Sub tuam misericordiam confugimus, Dei Genitrix ! nostras deprecationes ne des- picias in necessitatibus sed a perditione salva nos sola pura, sola benedicta. Notice the last two lines, "Sola pura, sola benedicta". These are interpreted as "only pure" and "only blessed". Sola, meaning "only" (as in the epithets "sola scriptura" (i.e. scripture only) and "sola fide" (i.e. faith only). "Sola" is where we get our word "sole". Later Catholic redactors have added the word "virgin" to that prayer in order to throw off the criticism that this is NOT a prayer to Mary, the mother of Jesus, but to some other "mother of a god (such as Isis). The word "virgin" (Latin, "virgo") does NOT appear in the original. The fragment that contains this prayer was found in Egypt. The text was written in Greek, which places it sometime after the Alexandrian conquest of Egypt in 332 B.C. Isis was the mother of the god Horus in the Egyptian pantheon and indeed, Isis was recognized as the "mother of all gods" and "the queen of heaven". Conclusion: This fragment was NOT a prayer to Mary, the mother of Jesus, but to Isis, the mother of god.
Eusebius (disciple of Hegisippus) and Hegisippus (disciple of the Apostles) were Hebrew Christians who knew the families of the first Christian community in Judea and Galilee. They testified that James the Just and Jude were 'brothers of the Lord after the flesh'. This means that Mary had at least six children in addition to Jesus.
I follow the Byzantine Greek New Testament. Matthew and Luke use different names for the Virgin Mary and the other women named Mary (Μαριαμ over against Μαρια).
@@OnYaBoya This is entirely counter-productive. He probably heard that somewhere, saw a reference, or misread something. Most people don't get their information first hand, and he will be less likely to go double check after that. I would wash my hands of the whole discussion if I were him.
25:22 Joseph was dead at this point he was leaving him into the care of his apostle. He wasn’t making her the mother of every living being. This is complete fabrication in abuse of typology b
Both can be true at the same time which is why it's mentioned in the Gospels. It also shows Mary's perpetual virginity because if there where siblings then that would be their responsibility to care for Mary.
@@dameTx No. The seed is Jesus and the church. The emphasis is on the seed. Not her. She isn’t what’s being discussed. I’m the son of my mother and I will be a lawyer. She isn’t in view other than me being born in her.
@@Sirach144 Jesus is the first seed but are we brothers and sisters in Christ, adopted sons and daughters of God? Of so, we are of Mary’s seed as well and she is our spiritual mother because Mary is a type of Church.
I’ve never been able to understand this Protestant objection. All the books in the world could not contain the teachings of the Christ, plus it was the Church which collected and preserved the holy scriptures. Do you really expect the totality of Truth and Wisdom to be contained in a limited number of pages? This is not a denigration of Holy Scripture, but an acknowledgment of its relation to Holy Tradition.
@ Those books already existed. Simply putting them between two covers, doesn’t give the Catholic Church credit. Those scrolls in the first half of the Bible were completely believed by Jews for over 1000 years. The new ones were letters written by the apostles. All your church did was put them between two covers. I’m sorry God’s word is God’s word and he doesn’t need a church to put it together. Tradition does it automatically mean truth. I can teach that Jesus was a woman for 3000 years and it wouldn’t make it true. Just because you slapped the label of “tradition” on something it doesn’t give it automatic truth.
@@Sirach144 true, God can do as He does wish. And he used the Church to collect and preserve scripture. Just as He chose to incarnate as a fruit of the womb of Mary, rather than riding down from heaven on a bolt of lightening or any other means. He has selected the means He has for His purposes. My question to you is what reason do you have to believe the scriptures to begin with? Without a continuity of tradition your epistemology is circular.
@ Genesis through Malachi Existed before the Catholic Church. The letters and epistles and gospels all existed and were used by many groups even outside of the Catholic Church. Simply converting them from scrolls into a book. Doesn’t mean that the Catholic Church is true.
@@Sirach144 I’m not talking about the Catholic Church. Personally I’m Orthodox but that’s beside the point. Do you have a reason to believe scripture that is not circular? Is it not written that the church is the pillar and ground of truth? Holy Scripture itself makes reference to Holy Tradition.
Mother Mary has no influence on salvation. Jesus Christ gave the Apostles the Apostle doctrine for salvation. Mary was never mentioned by any Apostles that she was part of salvation. I know the NT wasn't put together until 3 or 4th century. That is why Christ gave his Apostles the Apostle doctrine for salvation and how to obey Christ. The OT was available to explain Christ birth and death. Phillip used the book of Isaiah for salvation. The Mary doctrine was way later around 275-400AD. Remember the bible said Steven was full of grace too. This doesn't mean sinless.
@Dienekes678 Protestant doesn't equal lost. Catholic beliefs aren't just the Apostles doctrine. They keep adding to the doctrine of Christ. Catholic are saved, but just look at the difference from the Apostles doctrine that Christ taught them and the Catholic Catechism book.
@kisstune That is true!!! Mother Mary to give birth to our Savior Jesus Chrit. All I am saying is that Mary isn't in the Apostles doctrine that Christ taught the Apostles about salvation.
If God made Mary without sin, then God could do the same for the rest of man, and there would be no need for the everlasting gospel nor any gospel of reconciliation through faith by the grace of Jesus Christ, our everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
God made Adam and Eve without sin as well.. just cos you are made without sin doesn’t mean you will remain sinless. Mary by the Grace of God remained sinless by obedience to him. Adam and Eve rejected his Grace in the fall..The submission of the will to God for the rest of you earthly life is to be accounted for as well. There is not a day Mary did not need God. It’s by her complete dependence on him that she remained sinless till the end of her life.
@roshankurien203 That is unbiblical. The word of God never said that Mary was ever sinless. God is from everlasting. Jesus was fully the Son of man, God incarnate.
Not one biblical reference, only dogma. Eclesiasties says the dead know nothing. Mary lies in the dust like all mortals. She will be resurrected like all of the dead to be judged by god.
No, it goes like this really... in the name of their men idols Martin "Nazi inspirer" Luther-fer, Calvin, Wesley, etc, and in the name of their rebellion and deformity, and of their un-holy uninspired lame spirit, and in the name of their man mand traditions, and of their man made RE-interpretations... You get the picture Mr Loser.
Mary was chosen and blessed by God to be the mother of Jesus on earth She was a blessed human vessel. Even Mary recognized the honor bestowed upon her God HER SAVIOR "“My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; My spirit rejoices in God my savior. For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed. The Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name"
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Marian devotion was so powerful that, by the time Islam came around, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Trinity was the Father, Son, and Mary. Real Christians love the theotokos
Yes, Mary occupies a whole chapter in the Koran
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I am new to the Catholic faith. For years, I denounced Marian doctrine, for this is what I was taught. The church of my childhood would only send missionaries to Catholic countries, for we "knew" they were all going to hell . Married to a wonderful Catholic man for over 40 years, finally in 2020, I found the evidence for Catholicism so overwhelming that I knew I would be sinning if I did not join. Unfortunately, I still need more good catechesis. The scriptural basis for Catholicism over Protestism is overwhelming... and as a good protestant i read and knew my Bible. But there were these MANY Catholic verses that were either ignored(John 6), explained away(Matt 16:18) , or outright disbelieved(1 Peter 3:21). Thank you so much for helping me toward the fullness of truth.
Yes the catholic church only tortured and killed people for 800 years to make them conform. Not evil at all. Mary lies in the ground until resurrection like all mortals.
Brilliant! As a Catechumen, I found this so helpful. Thank you.
Please pray for my mother who was hospitalized recently thank you
hail mary full of grace the lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of death. Amen
Sorry to hear that i'll remember her in my prayers and you too brother it cant be easy for you atm..
Blessed Theotokos Pray for us.
Hail, Full of Grace.
The Lord is with thee
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'Theotokos' is not a scriptural term.
@@larrybedouin2921 either is Trinity. What’s your point…
@jdub3999
The Godhead is.
@@larrybedouin2921Mary give birth to Emmanuel God with us, Elizabeth call Mary the MOTHER of my LORD, her LORD is God, so you are wrong
What a precious hidden treasure your channel is! Great job!
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Thanks for the info. Those Protestant quotes ought to hit hard.
As a Protestant, I was taught that original sin was passed through Adam which I guess was supposed to explain how Jesus didn't inherit original sin. But now it occurs to me that in order for Jesus not to have inherted original sin and be the new Adam, Mary herself couldn't have inherted original sin or she would have passed it along as well. I am wondering if any of the Church Fathers specifically addressed this?
@@megred7364 Patristic Pillars on RUclips has a detailed video on St. Mary and Original Sin from the Patristic writings.
But also if it could be stopped in St Anne, for Mary, then it could be stopped in Mary for Jesus??
But that is unbiblical.
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
*But* made himself of no reputation, *and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men*
And being found in *fashion as a man* he humbled himself, and became *obedient unto death* even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
{Philippians 2:5-10}
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, *that is passed into the heavens* Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; *but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin*
{Hebrews 4:14-15}
@@larrybedouin2921 Do you think Gods gifts and miracles are subject to human understanding? Theotokos did nothing to merit Full of Grace, it was a gift from God. I’m trying to understand how you are using scripture? Do you think Apostolic Churches believe Blessed Virgin Mary is equal to God?
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No absolutely not.
Awesome! I am watching this during Advent between her two great feasts Of the Immaculate Conception and Our Lady of Guadalupe! I'm finishing up a two semester course on the Patristics through the Institute of Catholic Culture ( tomorrow will be our last class) so a great review! I just found your channel and definitely will be viewing your other videos. I assume that you attend the TLM (so do I ) Merry Christmas! Alma Redemptoris Mater!
59:00 Yet I have heard numberless priests say on Christmas Eve and in their Christmas letters that Mary suffered pain at the birth of Christ. Obviously they did not read the Church Fathers and have been influenced by modern so-called Bible scholars who seem to control all the RC institutions. I suppose that if it were so, it would be one of the Seven Sorrows of the BVM, but it is not.
The Church has always believed in the Mary’s blessing
Thanks for doing the video. Good job with the combo of early Church Christians and Old Testament prefigurement.
Pray for my grandchildren ❤
A comment for the RUclips algorithm, behave Mr Algorithm as God is all powerful, and being all powerful has raised His lowly creatures to look on His face.
And has even vested their skin, aka tabernacled amongst us!
Big up this RUclips Creator!
May our Lord protect and keep you, and the angels and saints pray to bless your content so you win many souls for mother Church, mother Mary.
Thus the Lord shows all His creation His glory!
It is sad that Protestants reject our Mother
And thus reject the church, Jesus Body.
@@CBlackartist they reject the idolatrous version of Mary, the Catholic has created! They accept her as the mother of the Lord and as one of the 120 fellow believer who gathered in the upper room to wait for the coming of the Spirit. If veneration of Mary is required then John who was looking after after her being given to him at the cross, would have taught this! Not even Polycarp, the disciple of John suggests the kind of Catholic Mariology, so out of a pure conscience, they reject the Catholic version of Mary!
Martin Luther did not reject her.
Once much desired joining myself to Rome, however, it was, you guessed it, the Marian Devotion thing, which persuaded me otherwise. I have other like minded friends who feel the same.
Mary disappears from the New Testament in Acts...and doesn't pop up again, until the mid, 2nd century, in the Gnostic text, The Protevangelion of James.
The term Gnostic is not a term of approbation, alas.
@horationelson57 As I responded to your comment on the video, you and your friends are missing out and have done yourselves a BIG discredit. But that's ok as you guys are excersizing your free will.
Again, Marian dogmas were established in the church by Episcal COUNCILS.
Bibically as per how the apostolic church in Acts 15 resolved NEW issues of faith, vis a vi circumcision and works of the Mosaic law.
In the same manner, the apostolic church designated teachings through councils of ordained men as per 2 Tim 2:2 where we see Paul prescribing instructions for 4 GENERATIONS of succession!
These men were given the same authority from the apostles to change all in heavan and earth.
This is what you read, see in the scriptures, hear from the apostolic churches, yet deny as others have convinced you.
38:49 I agree with everything that is being said, but that tabernacle is a bit too weird for me. I like the traditional everything - traditional altar with a traditional box-like tabernacle on it with a humeral veil.
Awesome stuff. Just what I was looking for to silence all the haters.
Was just hoping you would do a video on this. Thank you!
💒🙏🇺🇸....I'm Catholic....no walls.....just allowing the Truths & Knowledge of my Holy Mother to enter more deeply,...and connect the dots of the Divine Will.....Fiat🙏😊
Prayers that I can quit smoking would be greatly appreciated
Prayers for my father please. He needs conversion and my grandmother can hardly handle taking care of him
Imagine demanding from people that the animals they bring have to be perfect, but the mother of his son has no standards required
It's mockery that anyone would try to say the literal mother of God wasn't anybody special like events like this happen all the time or something. I think some people have a hard time wrapping thier head around how grand God's plan really was.
People cannot conceive “the sacred.”
She calls God her savior….if she were without sin, then she doesn’t need God as her savior.
She was the most humble person on earth at that time. She humbles herself by saying that even she was full of holy spirit, full of grace🙏
@ he gave her grace and made her full of it and that’s how he saved her. Do you thank God only before he saves you. Are you grateful for your baptism still?
Excellent video thank you
Great video just found your channel , id love to see you do a collab with William Albrect a fantastic brother doing similar work to yourself.
Hey, fellow Catholic here. Just wanted to let you know that there a few pseudonymous quotations that you used. I don’t want false information to be spread around or for a Protestant to catch you off guard.
Both quotes you used for St. Hippolytus, are Pseudos. The first one for sure is a Pseudo, the second on which is quoted in Jimmy Akins book “The Fathers Know Best” I recently learned is a pseudo. I am still researching that one though so just keep an eye out for that one.
The 4 Homilies on the Annunciation by St. Gregory Thamaturgus are Pseudos and were not written by him. However the other homily “Homily Concerning the Holy Mother of God, Ever Virgin” is authentic.
Those are the one that caught my eye. Keep up the great work on Church History!
Great video , just subscribed 🙏
Pray for the unity of my family, please
Good stuff. Thanks. Subscribed.
Thank you, I greatly appreciate the video
Mary features strongly in Islamic texts. This adds weight to the argument for the influence of Christianity on early Islam.
Many see Islam as as offshoot of Arianism, which essentially viewed Jesus as human not divine (ie not Nicene Creed)
Many view Islam as the first Protestant movement.
@@joebombero1that’s just an ad hominem towards Protestants lol.
@@iblameabel it's an interesting topic, especially among grad students and seminarians. I just wanted to toss it out there.
@@joebombero1 I was brought up in the Methodist tradition, I'm a happy-clappy hippie if anything, with an essentialist morality of 'be nice' a la parable of the good samaritan. I distinctly remember going into Church of England services and being very confused by the recitation of the Nicene Creed. What on earth is that all about ?!
I've had many chats with Muslims, and their anti-trinitarian points of view are not a million miles away from my sense of discussions of the Trinity. Which is why on earth are people spending time so much in their heads rather than getting on with helping one another. Devout Muslims are equally stuck in their heads though with the notion that 'God is one'. But Mary has her own chapter in the Koran, chapter 19 Sura Maryam. And there are lots of indications Islam, at least in part, picked up many ideas from Arianism.
@@petergrimshaw492 I really enjoy lengthy discussions with Muslims. It is clear from the Koran that the early Muslims were very involved in the debates at the time, whether Jesus was God or simply a prophet, whether God had three persons or one, where to Kosher foods come in, what purpose is the church and priests, what purpose does fasting have and pilgrimages. Islam takes a stand on all these issues and I think it reveals a great deal about the early Church. The idea of not wearing shoes in the mosque, women being robed, women and men separated during religious services - all this comes directly out of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, where Mohammed and his followers found refuge in Ethiopia for a time.
Really fascinating stuff. My grandfather was an old-school Methodist minister, back when they had tent revivals and baptisms in the river.
This is awesome
The Catholic was blessed also by Mama Mary he always keep appearing and helping her children. It is Jesus Christ himself said to his disciple behold your mother. The mother of all Christian.
Modern Prots abandon typology whenever it vindicates the Catholic Church.
It's important to note that there were (and still are) a lot of heresies floating around. This goddess worship was just one of them. Rome, it should be pointed out, absorbs other religions through religious synchronism, which is the process whereby an existing god or goddess is blended with the deity of another culture in order to "convert" the culture to the Roman religion.
Rome isn't the only one to do this. Hinduism wound up with hundreds of gods and goddesses using synchronism. If you count up all the "saints", Catholicism has an equal number of deities in her pantheon.
Yes.
I just love Mary so much. Thankyou Lord for giving us such a great gift
The Lumen Gentium identifying Mary as "temple of the Holy Spirit" is more accurate than the often heard "spouse of the Holy Spirit" since the Holy Spirit didn't impregnate Mary; it/she conceived Jesus through Mary's body. It is telling that the female of highest honor and rank, even above seraphim, in this patriarchal religion is one who must pray for you and can't deliver anything herself. And of course they keep the Trinity all-male even though the Holy Spirit is likely female, depicted by a dove, the ancient symbol of the goddess and is described as a helper, teacher, consoler, comforter, advocate, much like a mother.
What about Elisabeth
This might get answered this later in the film, do the Nestorian Church of The East have devotion to Mary. They don't agree with the title Theotokos I know that.
If the Nestorian church doesn’t hold to the title of “Theotokos” about Mary, it makes the Nestorian Church outside of orthodox Christianity.
@@dameTxthat is correct. But the Church of the East is still apostolic even though it is Nestorian
Orthodox doctrine holds far closer to the original beliefs before the additions within RCC post the schism of 1054.
R Cathicism has elevated her so far many folk worship her in place of Christ.
No they don't!
That's just your prideful and judgemental opinion.
The orthodox church is in schism, it's in the same boat as the protestants.
Should Christian’s Honor Mary more than their Government or flags, football team, actors, musicians, Elon musk, Trump?
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The answer is “Yes” and Christians cannot “out honor” Mary more than what God Himself has already done.
@@dameTx AMEN! Have a blessed Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
@@SaintlySaavy You too!
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In Galatians, he is contrasting between the law covenant and the Abrahamic covenant. He’s not trying to show anything about Mary in a prefigure. You guys try to read her into the Scriptures. You guys need to study typology and not just try to formulate typology where it suits you.
I can see your point on galatians, but if that is the only portion of his video u have a problem with...then that is an approval of the content, right?
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It was an observation. I made many comments in the comment section.
@Sirach144 they all reverberate around the one issue of typology. How do I know that's legit and not u utilizing the one tool u know about? Walk me through it
@@CrispusTelenopokis
The church I attend studies the scripture through the lens of typology. I have over 60 books on typology through the Bible. Types have to harmonize with the Bible and not as something that stands on its own. For example, there are more parallels between Christ and his bride with Adam and Eve than there are with Christ and Mary. For example, the rib was in Adam before she was taken from his body and formed into the bride and married back to him and they would rule over the Earth on the seventh day. The church is said to be in Christ before the foundation of the world we are taken from his body, we are married to Christ and we will reign over the Earth in the seventh day or millennium. There’s a direct parallel between the two. But just saying that Mary is the new eve with no substantiation other than the church just said so it is not typology. It’s a fabrication.
@@Sirach144 that was my point. Apparently you, and your church, have this one tool of typology (a hammer) and your coming into this guy's argument that is much more like a screw for an allen wrench.
I actually do not agree with alot of this guy's content. But it was easy to see what u were doing was solipcistic...it was taking your tool to discredit everything else he says. That's not a fair way to assess anything in the life of academia, scholarship or research.
If the RCC believe that St. Mary is the savior of the world, so, let them believe what they want to believe. But for me, and other people in this world believe that Jesus Christ is the real savior of the world.❤❤❤
Shame on you!
This is a deliberate misrepresentation of what the RCC believes.
Only Jesus is our salvation.
Yet He, Father Son and Holy Ghost, chose Mary as the vehicle to come into the world.
Jesus took his body from her body and LIVED inside her for 9 months!
fye
None of the churches described in the New Testament seemed to have any special devotion to Mary. I think it's (at least) misleading to say point blank that "It is the UNIVERSAL practice that ancient Christian churches that can trace their origins back to the very beginnings to the Twelve Apostles to practice some sort of devotion to Mary."
Where do we find any evidence that that is a true statement in the New Testament? Corinth was a big church, so was Jerusalem. Ephesus had several churches. Paul wrote to all these churches and doesn't mention a "universal devotion to Mary" - not even once.
The Apostle John, who had custody of Mary from Calvary forward says NOTHING in any of his epistles about a special devotion to Mary.
James and Jude (the brothers of Jesus) are completely silent about this veritable GODDESS who raised them.
Does that strike you in the least curious, given the Roman theology about Mary?
Here is the honest opinion of Protestants. Firstly this is indeed a powerful presentation though I am very familiar with all that has been covered as I have listened to so many Catholic apologists on the subject; Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Scott Hahn, Tim Staples, Trent and Jimmy Akan and probably more, but for Protestants these are non negotiable:
Only God is good Mark 10:12 and both Catholics know that though Christ is fully man He is also fully God! For Prots you are either God or creature and will not accept anything in between, that's why Christ role is unique and no Protest will negotiate by adding anything else!
Secondly, for Prots, it doesn't matter whether you are Calvin, Luther or whatever high status, you can err, so their position on Mariology has no influence whatsoever if it cannot be proven from scripture! The key question is did those eye witnesses of the Lord preach the stuff. It doesn't matter how early the practice.
Thirdly Luke 17:10 John 3:29,30 is at the centre of every Protestant we will only glory in God and no other being, because all the good in us proceeds from Him and it is a privilege that he can choose to use in whatever way. Paul even gloried in His weaknesses so that only the Grace of God would shine through him.
Fourthly, the ark itself represented God's presence, and not the contents within it, so we don't agree with Mary being the ark.
Fifthly, the Protestant doesn't entertain speculative theories like the vow of Virginity which is rather obscure grasped from the wild to fulfill someone's fancy wishes and lacks historical support
Sixthly, a Prot will not compromise on what scripture is saying, if the Bible says the Lord had brothers, that is what it is. If Matthew 1:25, says,"he didn't know her till," the Prot stays with the most natural interpretation.
Seventhly, Prots find it laughable that disciples would have a glaring omission of something so fundamental like this in the gospel. This is omitted because it is not part of the gospel or it irrelevant. You are not required to meet some Mariology requirements before you can be saved.
Eighthly, it sounds very idolatrous.
Ninthly, the Woman who appears in Revelation 12, is still pregnant, so if that is the basis for her assumption, then she is still pregnant in heaven.
Tenthly, if there was going to be the most explicit teacher on Marian dogmas, then John was going to be the champion. He was with her since the time she was given to him on the cross. He lived long enough to reflect thoroughly, but not even his disciples Polycarp and the like taught theae things!
I had a few more, but enough for now. So sorry, we like Joshua 24:15 we choose to separate from you if you insist to go this direction
The problem with you guys is that you like to SAY that you don't accept theories without scriptural evidence, but that's BULL!
Talk is cheap.
The facts are your have accepted some GUYS RE-interpretation over the Catholic Church's, that's why you are protestant!
You have accepted all that TRADITION TOO.
Yep, the protestant position is just rebellion and unwillingness to submit to Christ and the scriptures He gave us.
Even though you proport to be SOLA SCRIPTURA, or some associated nonsense like that.
Fact is, that the Catholic Gospel is way better than your man made one.
For us God makes us His sons to be His image, he doesn't just cover us like the watered down Gospel Prots have.
For us, Jesus wants us to be in His family and will make us like Mary.
Although she is more perfect than the angels.
She is not devine. But she is alive in Christ.
She is His mother.
The fact is, is that it doesn't matter what verses you see, you have assigned yourself to a belief system.
And that's OK.
You have sone truth in it if you proclaim Christ as Lord and want God.
Protestantism is satanic as it attacks Christ's body, His church.
But Christ can bring good from Satan. Many possessed people go on to be VERY holy after being delivered from their possesors.
We, Catholics, have the fullness of the truth.
Tenthly Prideful lucifer, " I will not serve", was thrown down from heaven. The Mother of God is all pure , all Holy, she mirror's her Son Jesus, and He loves her and honours her. Jesus Christ is a good son, He will not tolerate for long the blasphemers uttered against her by her enemies from the likes of you Prideful protestors. . Who cares what you think and how you mislead others by your twisted interpretation of Holy scripture. . "Hail FULL oh grace, the Lord IS with thee, blessed are you among women and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb". The angel of the Lord declared unto Mary...........
@mmbtalk protestantism is like Gnosticism. They analogise what they want, but when it suits them they say they will only "hold to the plain meaning of scripture".
But sxripture doesn't matter to them, as they go all day long condemning OTHER protestant churches for not accepting their special verses or their interpretations of certain verses.
It becomes verses VERSUS verses.
So it's a joke.
It's about interpretation.
But whose interpretation?
As it has gotten rid of the means to make a decision, a council ( Acts 15 ) or a Pope ( leader like Peter ).
The problem is you have the WRONG view of what the New Testament is!
The book is a history of the Church.
Not a manual on how to make a Church!
Also Jesus told you in the New Testament, what the New Testament REALLY IS.. it's the eucharist, the New Covenant ( καινὴ διαθήκη ).
Luke 22:20
"Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."
@mmbtalk
The problem is you have the WRONG view of what the New Testament is!
The book IS a history of the Church. Compiled by the Catholic church ( that's why it doesn't have the "Shepherd of Hermes" nor "The Protoevangelium of James" in it, the Church DECIDED they should not be included! )
It is NOT a manual on how to make a Church!
Also, Jesus told you in the New Testament, what "THE New Testament" REALLY IS.. it's the eucharist, the New Covenant ( καινὴ διαθήκη ).
Luke 22:20
"Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you."
Once much desired joining myself to Rome, however, it was, you guessed it, the Marian Devotion thing, which persuaded me otherwise. I have other like minded friends who feel the same.
Mary disappears from the New Testament in Acts...and doesn't pop up again, until the mid, 2nd century, in the Gnostic text, The Protevangelion of James.
The term Gnostic is not a term of approbation, alas. Have other read this? What do you think?
@horationelson57 The protoevangelium emphasizes Christ's human nature, contradicting the core Christological doctrine of gnosticism/docetism, so I am curious what makes you deem it to be a gnostic text. Also, there are only a handful of documents available to us in general between the conclusion of the Gospel of John and the mid second century due to persecution, and the emphasis in these writings was generally on defending Orthodoxy from heretics or affirming the importance of the legitimate hierarchy rather than in reaffirming unchallenged doctrines. In the later fourth of this video, there are approximately 45 quotes of saints from the 2nd to 4th century who demonstrate a great, and appropriate, appreciation for Mary in the spiritual journey of the Christian.
Mary is mentioned fourth most often in the New Testament after only Jesus, Peter, and Paul. Her role in the New Covenent is not insignificant because it is primarily in the Gospels and Acts. However, she is also referenced in Galatians as well as at the very least hinted at in association to the Ark in Heaven in Reveletation 11 and 12.
@horationelson57 Oh, and you have done yourselves a discredit!
So near yet so far, Horatio! 😪
You have stopped short of the mark.
Is Christ not Lord God?
Is he not more than a book?
Don't idolise the intellectual traditions you have trapped yourselves into.
God is mystery and not human reason.
Didn't Christ say He'd send the Paraclete to guide His church into all truth? John 16:13
And that the same spirit would teach them all things?
Where is the Church you hold to in the first 1,500 years?
Look at the sub tuum, from approx 200 AD!?
You even do not give proper faith to the Spirit filled Gospel of Luke that calls her "full of grace"!
A FULL chapter on her where she says, my soul magnifies the Lord!
And in John 2 she points to her Son and there the Jesus says "my hour hasnot yet come"... yet the Trinity ( as the act on perfect UNISON ) brings forward His hour, BY HER INTERCESSION!
What more do you want?
Even our Lord said "you evil generation, you ask for miracles...."
Christ told his apostles to go out and make disciples of the nations, Matt 28:19.
This wasn't the guy casting out demons in Mark 9:38-40.
But there he also "whoever is not against us", are you against the apostolic church?
Again, Marian dogmas were established in the church by Episcal COUNCILS.
Bibically as per how the apostolic church in Acts 15 resolved NEW issues of faith, vis a vi circumcision and works of the Mosaic law.
In the same manner, the apostolic church designated teachings through councils of ordained men as per 2 Tim 2:2 where we see Paul prescribing instructions for 4 GENERATIONS of succession!
These men were given the same authority from the apostles to change all in heavan and earth.
This is what you read, see in the scriptures, hear from the apostolic churches, yet deny as others have convinced you.
The Roman godess of the State was Vesta, the virgin and keeper of the hearth of every home. Devotion to Vesta was usurped by the creation of Mary.
Why Paul didn't mentioned her name in single verses in his epistles?...
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
It only shows you don't know how to read scripture because if there is no equivocating with that then the same could be said about Jesus.
@kisstune
Take your objection to the author of the book of Deuteronomy.
Have a nice day.
@@larrybedouin2921 Still didn't answer the question. You brought the verse up so it's only fair to ask you that question.
woahhhh why did you say Jesus has a divine nature and a “human body??” thats sounds a little heretical
Protestant Greetings:
“Greetings, O favored one, the lord is with you”
“Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the Fruit of your womb”
“‘St. Mary, mother of my Lord’
I’m a sinner, in need of prayer, now until the hour of my death”
Amen
And none of that shows she was sinless or a comediatrix
@@Sirach144 Sure it does the correct English translation is full of grace the original text is Kecharitomene meaning "At all times full of grace". She was already full of grace BEFORE Archangel Gabriel came to visit her.
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Doesn’t matter. Your arguement is that if she is full of grace then she is perfect then Stephen who is also full of grace must therefore be perfect.
@@Sirach144kecharitomene (Mary) is different from pleres charitos (Stephen). -- in Stephen’s case, like all of us after baptism, filled with grace. And for Christians after confession: filled with grace. For some reason, Mary was more than just pleres charitos. She was kecharitomene.
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Nope same Greek word root. And the exact same word used for Stephen is the exact same tense for Jesus at John 1:14!!! Check mate sir. So now you can’t say only Jesus and Mary are sinless based on being “full of grace” when the exact same word is for Jesus and John one and Stephen in Acts 6. There is no biblical justification for saying that because one was before baptism and one was after that one is sinless and one is not the exact same Greek word is used for Jesus and Stephen.
The reading of the Sub tuum præsidium, displayed and read in this video is a faithful rendition of this prayer, which has been polluted by Catholic interpretations over time. This is the Latin translation:
Sub tuam
misericordiam
confugimus,
Dei Genitrix ! nostras
deprecationes ne des-
picias in necessitatibus
sed a perditione
salva nos
sola pura,
sola benedicta.
Notice the last two lines, "Sola pura, sola benedicta". These are interpreted as "only pure" and "only blessed". Sola, meaning "only" (as in the epithets "sola scriptura" (i.e. scripture only) and "sola fide" (i.e. faith only). "Sola" is where we get our word "sole".
Later Catholic redactors have added the word "virgin" to that prayer in order to throw off the criticism that this is NOT a prayer to Mary, the mother of Jesus, but to some other "mother of a god (such as Isis). The word "virgin" (Latin, "virgo") does NOT appear in the original.
The fragment that contains this prayer was found in Egypt. The text was written in Greek, which places it sometime after the Alexandrian conquest of Egypt in 332 B.C. Isis was the mother of the god Horus in the Egyptian pantheon and indeed, Isis was recognized as the "mother of all gods" and "the queen of heaven".
Conclusion: This fragment was NOT a prayer to Mary, the mother of Jesus, but to Isis, the mother of god.
Asking the question is the same as displaying Protestant ignorance.
Eusebius (disciple of Hegisippus) and Hegisippus (disciple of the Apostles) were Hebrew Christians who knew the families of the first Christian community in Judea and Galilee. They testified that James the Just and Jude were 'brothers of the Lord after the flesh'. This means that Mary had at least six children in addition to Jesus.
Unless Joseph was a widower or if cousins at that time were labeled as brothers.
I follow the Byzantine Greek New Testament. Matthew and Luke use different names for the Virgin Mary and the other women named Mary (Μαριαμ over against Μαρια).
No Eusobius didn't, he SAID these were sons of Cleopos.
You lie you soon of satan.
Print your references as their writings are available online
@@OnYaBoya This is entirely counter-productive. He probably heard that somewhere, saw a reference, or misread something. Most people don't get their information first hand, and he will be less likely to go double check after that. I would wash my hands of the whole discussion if I were him.
Good luck explaining your blasphemies against His Blessed Mother to Jesus on judgement day. 😫
yes, moving on
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Joseph was dead at this point he was leaving him into the care of his apostle. He wasn’t making her the mother of every living being. This is complete fabrication in abuse of typology b
No it’s not. Christians are of “her seed” that is prophesied in Genesis 3:15.
Both can be true at the same time which is why it's mentioned in the Gospels. It also shows Mary's perpetual virginity because if there where siblings then that would be their responsibility to care for Mary.
@@dameTx
No. The seed is Jesus and the church. The emphasis is on the seed. Not her. She isn’t what’s being discussed. I’m the son of my mother and I will be a lawyer. She isn’t in view other than me being born in her.
@@kisstune
Mary was never a perpetual virgin. Jesus had brothers. There was a Greek word for cousin and they didn’t use it. So no.
@@Sirach144 Jesus is the first seed but are we brothers and sisters in Christ, adopted sons and daughters of God? Of so, we are of Mary’s seed as well and she is our spiritual mother because Mary is a type of Church.
The councel of naa is when the feet became mingled with clay. And the state stole the Christian religion. Ie catholic church became apostate.
Ah so you deny Jesus's words in Mat 16:18?!
So where was his church from 325 until 1500 ? 😮
How did you get the books in your bible? 🤔🤔
No one in the Bible devoted themselves to Mary. So trying to show me what people taught a few years later doesn’t mean that that is scripture.
I’ve never been able to understand this Protestant objection. All the books in the world could not contain the teachings of the Christ, plus it was the Church which collected and preserved the holy scriptures. Do you really expect the totality of Truth and Wisdom to be contained in a limited number of pages?
This is not a denigration of Holy Scripture, but an acknowledgment of its relation to Holy Tradition.
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Those books already existed. Simply putting them between two covers, doesn’t give the Catholic Church credit. Those scrolls in the first half of the Bible were completely believed by Jews for over 1000 years. The new ones were letters written by the apostles. All your church did was put them between two covers. I’m sorry God’s word is God’s word and he doesn’t need a church to put it together. Tradition does it automatically mean truth. I can teach that Jesus was a woman for 3000 years and it wouldn’t make it true. Just because you slapped the label of “tradition” on something it doesn’t give it automatic truth.
@@Sirach144 true, God can do as He does wish. And he used the Church to collect and preserve scripture. Just as He chose to incarnate as a fruit of the womb of Mary, rather than riding down from heaven on a bolt of lightening or any other means. He has selected the means He has for His purposes.
My question to you is what reason do you have to believe the scriptures to begin with? Without a continuity of tradition your epistemology is circular.
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Genesis through Malachi Existed before the Catholic Church. The letters and epistles and gospels all existed and were used by many groups even outside of the Catholic Church. Simply converting them from scrolls into a book. Doesn’t mean that the Catholic Church is true.
@@Sirach144 I’m not talking about the Catholic Church. Personally I’m Orthodox but that’s beside the point.
Do you have a reason to believe scripture that is not circular? Is it not written that the church is the pillar and ground of truth? Holy Scripture itself makes reference to Holy Tradition.
Mother Mary has no influence on salvation. Jesus Christ gave the Apostles the Apostle doctrine for salvation. Mary was never mentioned by any Apostles that she was part of salvation. I know the NT wasn't put together until 3 or 4th century. That is why Christ gave his Apostles the Apostle doctrine for salvation and how to obey Christ. The OT was available to explain Christ birth and death. Phillip used the book of Isaiah for salvation. The Mary doctrine was way later around 275-400AD.
Remember the bible said Steven was full of grace too. This doesn't mean sinless.
Praying for all lost Protestants 🙏
@Dienekes678 Protestant doesn't equal lost. Catholic beliefs aren't just the Apostles doctrine. They keep adding to the doctrine of Christ. Catholic are saved, but just look at the difference from the Apostles doctrine that Christ taught them and the Catholic Catechism book.
No influence really?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Without her consent Jesus wouldn't have incarnated.
😂😂😂 complete nonsense!! See a therapist dude.
@kisstune That is true!!! Mother Mary to give birth to our Savior Jesus Chrit. All I am saying is that Mary isn't in the Apostles doctrine that Christ taught the Apostles about salvation.
Catholicism is truly a feminist faith.
If God made Mary without sin, then God could do the same for the rest of man, and there would be no need for the everlasting gospel nor any gospel of reconciliation through faith by the grace of Jesus Christ, our everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
God made Adam and Eve without sin as well.. just cos you are made without sin doesn’t mean you will remain sinless. Mary by the Grace of God remained sinless by obedience to him. Adam and Eve rejected his Grace in the fall..The submission of the will to God for the rest of you earthly life is to be accounted for as well. There is not a day Mary did not need God. It’s by her complete dependence on him that she remained sinless till the end of her life.
@roshankurien203
That is unbiblical. The word of God never said that Mary was ever sinless. God is from everlasting.
Jesus was fully the Son of man, God incarnate.
PREACH!!!!!!!!!
@@roshankurien203
No scripture says that she was made sinless and remained sinless.
@@larrybedouin2921 “incarcerated” 😂
Not one biblical reference, only dogma. Eclesiasties says the dead know nothing. Mary lies in the dust like all mortals. She will be resurrected like all of the dead to be judged by god.
Blasphemy.
Don’t you mean “in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Mary and The Pope?”
No, it goes like this really... in the name of their men idols Martin "Nazi inspirer" Luther-fer, Calvin, Wesley, etc, and in the name of their rebellion and deformity, and of their un-holy uninspired lame spirit, and in the name of their man mand traditions, and of their man made RE-interpretations...
You get the picture Mr Loser.
Mary was chosen and blessed by God to be the mother of Jesus on earth
She was a blessed human vessel. Even Mary recognized the honor bestowed upon her God HER SAVIOR
"“My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; My spirit rejoices in God my savior. For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed. The Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name"