Love this behind the scenes look and how the client provided revisions about significant years and safety tweaks. Really cool. I'm excited for the collab!
My favorite art channel. I stumbled onto your channel about a year ago. I love that you show your art, and also give advice to other artists, and aren't just trying to teach how to do art. I have a couple of degrees in fine arts and know where to find more concise help. This was so helpful. I had been playing around with how to start a RUclips channel for my art, and you and Nerd Forge continue to inspire me in how I can do that. I think my channel will be an art & maker channel because I paint, but also design clothes and make them, then I design furniture and build it. I also think it would be fun to show young women what they can do. Thank you for your inspiration!
Dude you are so inspiring. I love watching your videos, you have relit a fire inside me about art I didnt think needed to be relit. Very appreciative of your content and have some new projects in the works. Do you ever do mentoring sessions? aside from these awesome vids?
Peter this is a great video, thank you for sharing your process. Artists are often simply not business people, and their incredible talent and what they have to offer the world, never gets realized. Love you and your team so much!
I did a commission without sending a mockup drawing and by the time i was done with it the lady hated it. She wanted so many changes made that i just lost the commission but i kept the artwork to always remind myself of that. Its all about what you charge for your time and supplies to create something the client will enjoy.
I don’t have an artistic bone in my body but I still love the behind the scenes learning of the business behind the process. Keep up the good work Peter
I do social artwortks with groups of people, I'm taking on the tip of specifically asking them which of my created artworks they like, as we always look through my portfolio at our in-person meetings. Thanks, I've been watching your channel for many years and have used a bunch of your tips in my art business, even though I do something quite different.
One very important aspect of this is to not under value yourself... I mean its also important to never say you CAN when you cant. But if this is a serious business for you, then do not fall into the trap of taking payment only if the client likes it, approves of it, or decides to use it. Make sure you take payment for the work that is done. This is the most important part. If you call a plumber in to fix a new bathroom, you wont ask him to just make a mockup or a concept and pay him only if youre going to use it. Then its not a real professional job.
To the comment about revisions I have had some customers that wanted so many revisions. One client once said she wanted something different on a particular part of the art. I think she did like 20 different revisions and then i told her i couldn't do it no more without extra payment. what i was is she told me she wanted one thing changed i didn't change anything else then she came back wanting me to change one or two more things then over time it just kept happening. when i told her i couldn't do it no more after 20 revisions without extra payment for my time she requested I send the non refundable deposit back and i didn't do it. she tried to get a refund and when i showed the bank my proof of her being a pain client they refused her refund in the end I did not finish her work she got pretty hateful. To this day I still refuse to do art for her.
Great information and flawlessly presented. Where so many others come off as “Us vs Them”, this video really sets a bar for people who haven’t had a lot of interactions of this type. Not a dull moment either. I do have a question about the client’s use of the artists’ characters/design and how that is managed. Thanks!
I'm not a good artist, I wish I was better, but I have worked on many projects where art would have elevated the project. We always ended up using something internally that was okay.... But something from a concept artist that had there own style and perspective would have brought the project to the next level!
In my mind, I was already making a Figma of your workflow 😂Not an artist in the least, but I loved this video and am inspired by your work ethic and sheer joy! Thanks for making this video 😊
Absolutely great advice! Not that I do murals (yet) but I do do commissioned paintings where some of your tips hold true as well. Thanks for sharing! And I am soooooo looking forward to the US vs EU art battles!
SO SICK! was in arizona the weekend you were there but wasnt able to make it. I'll be back to check out the mural! appreciate your insight and knowledge of concept art. I had a client once who I had to drop because they kept changing the vibe and characters and ultimately had to suggest working with someone who can better understand their concept.. it happens. lessons learned
Literally just wrote a blog about some of my own stories dealing with clients as an artist. More client fails but still I have a bit of experience now so thought this might be useful to some people. Edit: super useful tip about scaling the digital canvas to match the wall as I might be doing a wall soon.
The one thing to remember, you can have all the technology from your brains to your hands, won't matter what machine you run to, the original computer you take care of as you are. Being matters.
There is a moral to the story at the end. When I designed the 100' diameter, Stacked stone, all states Flag Monument at Camp Robinson AR back in the 80' I had to get my chopper buddy in the aviation unit to fly me over the site, I took b&w photos from the helicopter, ground photos, developed the film myself so I could do a glass painting (Nicely Framed) so the Major could hold it up in the air at arms length for an "overlay view" so he could visualize the concept from the actual ground and approve the plan. I got paid nothing, literally had zero budget to build it. But! my poker buddies in the barracks were the soon-to-be unemployed combat engineers (National Guard soldier working full-time on special projects) that had been working on building the new roads and firing ranges for the world class, Olympic level sniper competition each year. I overcame every obstacle, got it done. It stands today. Even tho I got left off the Cover Photo from the ribbon cutting ceremony, I went in knowing it was going to be art, in an open-air gallery. Much like a chalk artist for his street art, theirs can be gone with the wind. They military printed a "Correction" on page 2 of the following months issue as a booby prize if fame was my driving issue. Moral of the story; Get your required compensation up front. Mine was and is that My ALL!!!!! United States Flag Display was built. My payment? IT STANDS TO THIS DAY. check it out earth.google.com/web/@34.82236611,-92.28657052,152.09634998a,121.2848081d,35y,-54.95744469h,73.1340707t,0r/data=OgMKATA PS I'm also "The Original" 1977 Sidewalk Surfer artist and dude in the art from Scottsdale AZ. Shout out to Sandy for believing in me. Now US Army Retired.
Does anyone else always start filling on the line work layer after setting it to "reference"? Hopefully not just me, I do it every single time! Thanks for the info Ten, this was really helpful
Wow this is so beneficial for me, especially since I am just getting started with setting up my own art business, at the age of 60 this Autumn 🍂 2024. I also definitely need to check out Squarespace. Looking forward to seeing the collaboration with the artists in May! Go team Jess! USA!
thanks for all these valuable insights into your workflow! pretty helpful :) im still interested in how you organize all your footage like raw videos from different cameras, raw photos, edited photos of final walls, fotos for magazines and blaaa. if you could include that in any video soon would be graaand :) cheers from Germany
I find the process sane for most projects but I did like the clause about review processes. Doesn’t happen more than once usually but yeh. Also I would have a clause about the lifespan of the mural and if removing replacing the process for contacting the artist
Idk if you’ve talked about this before. But I would love to see you go over the details of creating a contract. You’ve hinted on it here but didn’t really go into depth about it. Like for instance you mentioned doing the merch deal. Do you put a clause in the contract that says they can’t use your images for anything other than the mural and if they want to do merch. Branding etc they gotta work with you to get that done? Like even if it’s photos for their brochures or website?
@capntonydanza, you might want check The Contract Shop. They have contract templates for small businesses and creative businesses such as artists, calligraphers, freelancers, and so on.
Hi, TenHun thanks a lot for that video and a lot of amazing tips. Im working at the moment with paintings for big logistic company and I was thinking how to get everything done. And boom ....your video comes up. Thats crazy! So crazy details and important informations! Thank You so much Mate!! Keep it going your such a beautiful ART!!! ;) _ Greeting Soim.
dude this information is one of those golden gems that will help artist really dial in on negotiations tactics..solid advice thanks
You're not just an artist, you're a highly intelligent business man 👍
Love this behind the scenes look and how the client provided revisions about significant years and safety tweaks. Really cool. I'm excited for the collab!
I don't do wall art but these tips work for any creative projects. Thank you for the gems!!!
Peter is always bringing the positive vibes! Always excited to see another upload in my subscriptions.
My favorite art channel. I stumbled onto your channel about a year ago. I love that you show your art, and also give advice to other artists, and aren't just trying to teach how to do art. I have a couple of degrees in fine arts and know where to find more concise help. This was so helpful. I had been playing around with how to start a RUclips channel for my art, and you and Nerd Forge continue to inspire me in how I can do that. I think my channel will be an art & maker channel because I paint, but also design clothes and make them, then I design furniture and build it. I also think it would be fun to show young women what they can do. Thank you for your inspiration!
I want learn how to become a freelancer. But have no idea with the business side of it. Please do more behind the scenes. This helped me a lot.
This is helpful. How do you calculate how much time, and paint to use and supplies for large murals.
Dude you are so inspiring. I love watching your videos, you have relit a fire inside me about art I didnt think needed to be relit. Very appreciative of your content and have some new projects in the works. Do you ever do mentoring sessions? aside from these awesome vids?
Peter this is a great video, thank you for sharing your process. Artists are often simply not business people, and their incredible talent and what they have to offer the world, never gets realized. Love you and your team so much!
I did a commission without sending a mockup drawing and by the time i was done with it the lady hated it. She wanted so many changes made that i just lost the commission but i kept the artwork to always remind myself of that. Its all about what you charge for your time and supplies to create something the client will enjoy.
I don’t have an artistic bone in my body but I still love the behind the scenes learning of the business behind the process. Keep up the good work Peter
I do social artwortks with groups of people, I'm taking on the tip of specifically asking them which of my created artworks they like, as we always look through my portfolio at our in-person meetings. Thanks, I've been watching your channel for many years and have used a bunch of your tips in my art business, even though I do something quite different.
Two videos In one week. Heck yess.
One very important aspect of this is to not under value yourself... I mean its also important to never say you CAN when you cant. But if this is a serious business for you, then do not fall into the trap of taking payment only if the client likes it, approves of it, or decides to use it. Make sure you take payment for the work that is done. This is the most important part.
If you call a plumber in to fix a new bathroom, you wont ask him to just make a mockup or a concept and pay him only if youre going to use it. Then its not a real professional job.
This was amazinggggg info to share. Been watching for awhileeeeeeee great to see how far I’ve gotten.
Looking healthier, bud. Hell yeah 🤘
LOVE the practical tips and tricks you laid out here! This was FOR SURE good to know :)
To the comment about revisions I have had some customers that wanted so many revisions. One client once said she wanted something different on a particular part of the art. I think she did like 20 different revisions and then i told her i couldn't do it no more without extra payment. what i was is she told me she wanted one thing changed i didn't change anything else then she came back wanting me to change one or two more things then over time it just kept happening. when i told her i couldn't do it no more after 20 revisions without extra payment for my time she requested I send the non refundable deposit back and i didn't do it. she tried to get a refund and when i showed the bank my proof of her being a pain client they refused her refund in the end I did not finish her work she got pretty hateful. To this day I still refuse to do art for her.
Nice to see someone who doesn’t put info behind a paywall
love your videos its really helpful for artists like me who have real trouble with communcating with clients
This is such a great video! Thank you so much for the helpful information.
Thanks for sharing these solid tips. Oh and GO TEAM USA!!!
Bro. As always. Coming through with the clutch video!
Great information and flawlessly presented. Where so many others come off as “Us vs Them”, this video really sets a bar for people who haven’t had a lot of interactions of this type. Not a dull moment either. I do have a question about the client’s use of the artists’ characters/design and how that is managed. Thanks!
This is sooo helpful! In so many ways thank you so much!!! 🙏 appreciate you
I'm not a good artist, I wish I was better, but I have worked on many projects where art would have elevated the project. We always ended up using something internally that was okay.... But something from a concept artist that had there own style and perspective would have brought the project to the next level!
In my mind, I was already making a Figma of your workflow 😂Not an artist in the least, but I loved this video and am inspired by your work ethic and sheer joy! Thanks for making this video 😊
Very good explanation and detailing the process for artists.
Definitely having a design freeze within you contract is a good idea.
Honestly those revisions asks were pretty good!
This is such a valuable video to clear up some of the mystery for us newbies. Thank you Senior Tenhun!! :)
Absolutely great advice! Not that I do murals (yet) but I do do commissioned paintings where some of your tips hold true as well. Thanks for sharing! And I am soooooo looking forward to the US vs EU art battles!
SO SICK! was in arizona the weekend you were there but wasnt able to make it. I'll be back to check out the mural! appreciate your insight and knowledge of concept art. I had a client once who I had to drop because they kept changing the vibe and characters and ultimately had to suggest working with someone who can better understand their concept.. it happens. lessons learned
I’ve heard a lot of bad stories when it comes to revisions, but all the inputs you got were great!
Literally just wrote a blog about some of my own stories dealing with clients as an artist. More client fails but still I have a bit of experience now so thought this might be useful to some people. Edit: super useful tip about scaling the digital canvas to match the wall as I might be doing a wall soon.
Love this behind the scenes! Awesome work!
Yo great information!! thanks for this!!
Thankyou for the tips Mr Ten hun! Very helpful And rad video! 🎥🎨🙏🏼
My boy TenHundred is so focused on 12:09 his eyes be glowing!
Way to pay it forward! Looking forward to May!
The one thing to remember, you can have all the technology from your brains to your hands, won't matter what machine you run to, the original computer you take care of as you are. Being matters.
You almost have me convinced to use Fresco for inking and colouring! Awesome break down of your process, too. So valuable!
Thanks Broski! Come over to the Fresco Darkside!
There is a moral to the story at the end. When I designed the 100' diameter, Stacked stone, all states Flag Monument at Camp Robinson AR back in the 80' I had to get my chopper buddy in the aviation unit to fly me over the site, I took b&w photos from the helicopter, ground photos, developed the film myself so I could do a glass painting (Nicely Framed) so the Major could hold it up in the air at arms length for an "overlay view" so he could visualize the concept from the actual ground and approve the plan.
I got paid nothing, literally had zero budget to build it.
But! my poker buddies in the barracks were the soon-to-be unemployed combat engineers (National Guard soldier working full-time on special projects) that had been working on building the new roads and firing ranges for the world class, Olympic level sniper competition each year. I overcame every obstacle, got it done. It stands today.
Even tho I got left off the Cover Photo from the ribbon cutting ceremony, I went in knowing it was going to be art, in an open-air gallery. Much like a chalk artist for his street art, theirs can be gone with the wind.
They military printed a "Correction" on page 2 of the following months issue as a booby prize if fame was my driving issue.
Moral of the story;
Get your required compensation up front. Mine was and is that My ALL!!!!! United States Flag Display was built. My payment?
IT STANDS TO THIS DAY. check it out
earth.google.com/web/@34.82236611,-92.28657052,152.09634998a,121.2848081d,35y,-54.95744469h,73.1340707t,0r/data=OgMKATA
PS I'm also "The Original" 1977 Sidewalk Surfer artist and dude in the art from Scottsdale AZ. Shout out to Sandy for believing in me. Now US Army Retired.
Already saw the reveal vid, absolutely love the concept I said it there: I’ll say it again here🎉 what a cool thing to be apart of
Hey thank u so much I started doing murals this year thank u for this video
Thanks for sharing the business side of things! Good stuff man 🔥
Super valuable! Thanks for sharing your process 🙌
So valuable. Thank you for sharing, please continue this series
Race to your future! What a great concept.
wow! Amazing. Thank you for taking us through your process. it was insightful, a lots of cool and useful information
You are amazinggg I love the job you do! My dream job ngl
This was very interesting and very helpful about dealing with a client.
What a great client!
that mural video was so good.
Thanks for all these useful tips, that's so generous!
Dude make more videos on these topics❤🎉😂
I got a heartattack when i saw how hard you press on the ipad when you wrote the name of the color swatches :D
Love these kinds of videos. So helpful.
I love these tips videos you're so frigging smart with this stuff thanks for making these videos bro
Does anyone else always start filling on the line work layer after setting it to "reference"? Hopefully not just me, I do it every single time!
Thanks for the info Ten, this was really helpful
another one so soon YEAaayaaaaah!! - lil wayn
Such great advice, thank you so much!
Great video dude! Thank you for sharing your workflow.
Fresh info…thanks for sharing homie!!
As always your videos make me so happy. I thought Bobby Duke Arts was coming to the at collab as well
He's going to be hanging out, but not necessarily as a member of the colab
Super insightful stuff ~ thanks for sharing!
new upload lezgow
Wow this is so beneficial for me, especially since I am just getting started with setting up my own art business, at the age of 60 this Autumn 🍂 2024. I also definitely need to check out Squarespace. Looking forward to seeing the collaboration with the artists in May! Go team Jess! USA!
Thanks a lot for the sharing.This video really helps!
OMG!!!! Thanks so much 🙏... Thank you for this huuuuuge help 🙌🔥
Thank you so much, that was so helpful
Best content ever!❤
thanks for all these valuable insights into your workflow! pretty helpful :) im still interested in how you organize all your footage like raw videos from different cameras, raw photos, edited photos of final walls, fotos for magazines and blaaa. if you could include that in any video soon would be graaand :) cheers from Germany
Needed this one 10, let me make notes bro
"The Arizona Mural" does this mean you've scored MORE murals at other campuses??!
Your channel is a good channel
Loved this video as always ❤
Thnx Ten, great advice!
You use a lot of oranges , pink & reds. Which brand do you find fade the least ?
Just curious, Do you have digital copies of these anywhere? This mural looks perfect format as a background for my ultrawide monitor
3:30 - Dev'Zel appears!!! (Devora Wilde) 😊
Thanks for sharing this ❤
You rock for sharing this❤
Yes! Yes! Yes!
I find the process sane for most projects but I did like the clause about review processes. Doesn’t happen more than once usually but yeh. Also I would have a clause about the lifespan of the mural and if removing replacing the process for contacting the artist
Super helpful!
Very nice! Would you mind showing us the symbol graph for making your drawings proportional when your projector does not work?
TenHundred has past full mural videos where he shows the symbol graph making technique.
this was very interesting!
love this!!
Why did you nit stay in Procreate to do the color as well?
Amazing ❤
Do u know an app that's not adobe for good vector works on the iPad hate the adobe subscription fee these days
How long did it take to paint that?
how to print out as stencil for wall , may thanks .
wow how much did you charge them with all total done?
This is exactly the same kind of line art and colouring I used to do when I was an artist in my 20s.
God bless you for that info
Wht ipad inch u doing
Idk if you’ve talked about this before. But I would love to see you go over the details of creating a contract. You’ve hinted on it here but didn’t really go into depth about it. Like for instance you mentioned doing the merch deal. Do you put a clause in the contract that says they can’t use your images for anything other than the mural and if they want to do merch. Branding etc they gotta work with you to get that done? Like even if it’s photos for their brochures or website?
@capntonydanza, you might want check The Contract Shop. They have contract templates for small businesses and creative businesses such as artists, calligraphers, freelancers, and so on.
@@fredericapanon207 is that like a website? I’ll check it out but I’d still like to see ten give his personal advice on this topic
@@capntonydanza it is a website. I cannot post a non-YT link in the comments.
Hi, TenHun thanks a lot for that video and a lot of amazing tips. Im working at the moment with paintings for big logistic company and I was thinking how to get everything done. And boom ....your video comes up. Thats crazy! So crazy details and important informations! Thank You so much Mate!! Keep it going your such a beautiful ART!!! ;) _ Greeting Soim.
I’m in the First 100 viewers, todays a good day 😎