Thanks, Steve (though I'm not taking credit for the 10-bit dynamic range😀). It certainly gives a lot more latitude with careful adjustment. I'm also happy with the music -- I spent a lot longer than usual finding the right tune, which partly led to the deadline issue that, in turn, led to this video getting published in measly 360p, yesterday. This version is still only 1080p, so hopefully the 4K gets processed soon.
The image quality looks AMAZING in both the 8 and 10 bit footage. At first glance I can't see any major difference. It'd be great if you can do a color grading tutorial both on 8 and 10 bit. Really love the colors. Thanks for posting!
Thanks. I don't know if there's much more I can add to what I've illustrated here as far as my grading workflow. There's definitely more dynamic range with 10-bit which shows here especially in the highlights. With N-log I sometimes use the LUT, sometimes just the adjustments in FCP. As I say, the LUT can speed things up, but it's not a prerequisite.
Thank you for this video! I had D500 and then sold it and got Z6ii. The reason is pretty simple: Auto Focus. I got D500 when I didn't do videos, but when I started I learned that D500 did a terrible focus hunting, plus you could hear it. My Z6ii is much better in terms of AF. Of course, it also hunts a little bit, but it's nothing compared to D500. So far I'm happy with Z6ii. Regarding 8-bit VS 10-bit honestly, I didn't notice much difference between graded 8-bit videos and graded 10-bit videos besides highlights where 8 bit simply shows fewer details and the picture looks a bit overexposed compared to 10-bit. Like the very first "village" scene where the sky has more details in 10-bit video. The shadows look very close after grading. I think in my case 8 bit is more than enough at this time. Once I get few thousands subscribers I may get Ninja V, but for now Shinobi seems to be a better option for me. Both monitors are much better than the stock tiny display of my Z6ii. Of course, each case is different.
You're welcome. Any larger monitor is a great help, especially judging focus. But the extended exposure tools are worth every penny, whether shooting 8-bit or 10-bit. There's no doubt you get more latitude for colour grading with 10-bit, though you're right in that the 8-bit, shot internally, is very good from the Z cameras.
Thank you so much for taking the time and making the effort to make this particular video. I can imagine how much of both went into it! It has helped me stay where I am with 8-bit, at least for the moment. I now see I need to gain a lot more experience before I take the leap to 10-bit (if I ever do, to be honest!). I also agree with a comment below about the Shinobi, it certainly suits my level of expertise at the moment. Once again, many thanks
Thank you for exhaustive demonstration. So I can conclude that if you filming low contrast scene then 8 bit format is acceptable otherwise need more dynamic range and 10 bit is preferable.
Hey thx for the comparison between 8 and 10 bit. Not overly convinced that I love the way the camera handles the highlights. It’s hard to tell because on some clips it looks very good and others not so good but I guess the ones I don’t like are captured that time of the day when the sun is harsh. Your review is still awesome because you kept it real - good work as always! You open my eyes - I don’t think the Z6 will be enough for me. I will probably go zcam or Komodo when I can afford it... awesome work brother! Your channel is great!
Thanks, Stefan. I sought out scenes with the most difficult lighting situations -- often backlit. It's not always necessary to capture every detail in highlights or shadows. Even our eyes can't do that, and so I didn't always take advantage of all the info in processing. (in fact, if I had these to do again, I'd probably crush the blacks more in some scenes). My decision to buy into the Z system was guided by several factors, including cost -- much cheaper than dedicated cinema cameras (don't forget the lenses, etc.), I already had a collection of Nikon glass, the possibility of adding the Ninja V, the quality of the image, which holds its own across the industry, and just a little bit of brand loyalty.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto I’m a Nikon boy too! And it has never failed me besides the times I’ve dropped my cameras etc. I been using Nikon everyday in hard environments, rain, snow... But the quality isn’t really where I want to go. I wonder how the forest stream would have looked if you had under exposed it more and brought up the midrange. Crushing the blacks sounds cool but maybe not on that clip. I’m after a organic look - I clearly see that the camera is a little harsh on the highlights making it less organic - if that makes sense. Sorry for the English.
Thanks for all that work! Just shooting it would enough, but all that post processing... Jeebers. I'm still not convinced about my Z6ii. It's a good enough still camera, but as a movie/video camera I was hoping to be amazed. I'm not. That said, your video footage looks much better than mine. Your two years' experience shows. I'm still trying to get a handle on AF. Good to see you back in top form!
Hi Raymond, thank you for making this video. Now that you have experience with internal 8-bit and external 10-bit recording, do you feel it is worth the expense and hassle of using the Atomos external recorder for the 10-bit PRORES files vs. using the internal 8-bit with the FLAT profile?
While it is indeed a more complex shooting and editing procedure, it's certainly worth the trouble in high dynamic range situations. The 10-bit results in a more "pliable" file. Of course, my new Z9 shoots 10-bit internally ... but at a premium.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Hi Raymond, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Much appreciated. I actually shot the Z9 for about 5 weeks and sent mine back and ordered a Z6 II for video and a Z7 II for still images. I personally found the Z9 to produce amazing videos and still images, but the size and weight for what I do were just too much. I am really happy with my choice and okay with giving up some of the more advanced features for the smaller size and weight of the Z6 II and Z7 II cameras. I just ordered an Atomos Ninja V, so I will give it a go for those higher dynamic range scenarios. I really love the quality of your videos and your content. Please keep going!
Hello. I'm watching this all the way from Korea. Thank you for making such a great video. I was wondering what song do you use for this video? It is bringing me such peace.
Thank you for this video Raymond. I really appreciate all the effort you make to show us these details. Quick question for you, how do you reduce noise for these videos? Thank you so much.
Lovely videos! I was on the fence on the Z6, but this video helped a lot. Currently holding on to my trusty D800, but video is in such high demand so it’s time to go hybrid. Been a Nikon shooter since I got my D70s on my 10th year birthday. Also, found your channel through Sam Newton’s Nikon music video ;)
Hi Lasse! Thanks for stopping by (hope you'll stick around). As I mention in other Nikon-related videos (list in description), I still have a D800. However, I'll probably sell it soon to help pay for some of my recent Z system acquisitions. As I recount in this video ruclips.net/video/lT6KseZk6BM/видео.html I've been a full-time Nikon shooter since I bought my first FM, in 1981. Thanks for letting me know how you discovered my channel. I love that guy's video -- hilarious -- and told the humourless people in the Z group as much. ... and, look, it's getting me traffic! 😀
I definitely will stick around! Makes sense. The new Z-glass is absolutely astounding, so investing in the system seems sensible. Ah, the good old FM days. My roommate has one of those - only as a desk piece, though. At least it inspired the design of the Zfc in these modern times 😉 I really do, too! I’m actually in touch with a few friends in the music and video Industry for an idea with Sam in the near future, regarding the music video. You never know where people Discover you ☺️
Hey! New to your channel, love the content. Upgrading to a Nikon Z6ii from the Z6 and just wanted to double-check something. I know that the Z6ii can shoot 4k 60 internally, but is there ANY option to shoot 4k 60 with an external recorder (e.g. N-log, Prores RAW, etc, etc) or is it all limited to 4k 30? I need the 4k 60 am debating whether or not to get an Atmos Ninja 5 + the 12-bit firmware upgrade!
Welcome aboard! I don't own a Z6II, but I gather from the Atomos website that 60p is not available for 4K, period. It's a complex subject with many variables, depending on the scene, but 10-bit or 12-bit is not always the right answer. As you may know, Nikon's 8-bit is very good, albeit with less wiggle room ... but you should always strive for good exposure. Don't miss my new 10-bit tests, here: ruclips.net/video/Wq5Sdp6ZBGA/видео.html
Hi, when we are connected to the Ninja V wit n log, 10 bit selected, can we also record when 60 or 120 fps is selected in the camera into the Ninja V? Or do we also need to change 10 bit to 8 bit?
Does the computer choke significantly more digesting 10 bit HQ video. I have preordered the Z9 but as you previously mentioned it’s going to most likely lead to necessitate a computer upgrade to be able to process the larger photo and video files. The old trash can Mac Pro hasn’t liked processing z6 and Atomos footage. And I fear the z9 video may cripple the Mac. I appreciate your video comparison and look forward to your take on your new Z9 and it’s work flow. Have you rendered 8 k video to see how it handles on set up now.
Thanks for the question, Jon. I don't know that I can give you a scientific answer, but yes 10-bit ProRes HQ presents achallenge for my present Intel MacBook. That' means I need to use proxy media with anything but the most basic single-stream video Then it works fine, other than long render times (my latest 8 minute video took most of an hour). I haven't tested any 8K yet.
Thanks for the awesome video and effort Raymond. Really appreciated. I’ve been on the fence for a while now looking to add the ninja v to my z6 and Z6ii. Question for you I haven’t been able to get a clear answer. Firstly, can the monitor be used only as a monitor, but still record regular 8 bit videos to cameras card? There would be some instances where this would be useful to me. At this point in time I mostly just want the monitor to help with framing (handheld and gimbal) and focus/exposure. Also, does the ninja v work at all when camera is shooting 1080 120fps? Can it be used as a monitor still but record the video to cameras card in 8 bit??? I’ve asked multiple people this and get multiple answers.
Thanks Cap'n. The Z6 can't record 120p via HDMI, as per manual: "HDMI output is not available while movies are being recorded at movie frame sizes of 1920 × 1080 120p, 1920 × 1080 100p, or 1920 × 1080 slow-motion or when the camera is connected to a computer running Camera Control Pro 2." You could use the Ninja V as just monitor by simply running it sans media. Hope this helps. Cheers!
@@RaymondParkerPhoto thank you Raymond! Dang it I totally missed that in the manual. Such a bummer because I tend to shoot a lot of the 1080 120, which it sounds like the Ninja will be useless for that. However, after much back and forth I still think I’m gonna give the Ninja V a go. Thanks again!
Thank you so much for sharing all this valuable information Raymond! This helps us all a lot! I did a similar comparison after I bought the Ninja V, but as soon as I add the N-LOG LUT to my footage, it blooooows out the red tones. making the footage completely uneditable. - Do you have any idea what I am doing wrong?
Hi Mark. Glad it was helpful! I can't say I've had a problem specifically with the red tones, but I find N-Log to be aggressive all 'round. I generally apply it at under 50%. Having said that, it's entirely possible to edit without using a LUT at all, which I often do. I also have some LUTs I've made for specific projects, e.g. ruclips.net/video/kCCsBsj_dbM/видео.html
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Awesome! Thank you Raymond!!! I just saw a video today, where someone was color correcting and grading the N-Log without the use of any LUTs too. This is something I can totally live with! :-D - Now there is only one issue left, that really annoys me; the noise of the Atomos Ninja V fan. :-( I need a run and gun setup, as I am mostly working with kids and youths, where I can not set up someone to do the sound recording on a pole or something... Now I am a bit afraid, I made the wrong choice, with buying the Z6 and the Ninja V. As I am a hobbyist filmer and work for free only, I am on a tight budget though... LOL :-) Thanks again Raymond!!! YOur comment is highly appreciated! :-)
Hi Mark. Whether I'm using the Ninja or not ... in fact, long before I bought an external recorder, I try whenever possible to get the mic off the camera.
The Flat profile is, to put it as simply as possible, just a way of interpreting the recorded colours.The Z6 has a number of profiles to choose from. 8-bit recording contains 256 million colours per pixel. The recorded video can be further edited in post with software-based controls, profiles known as LUTS, etc. There are many resources online to explain these in detail. I'll soon be publishing a tutorial on video options with the Z6. Stay tuned.
Thanks for the video. Do you use the "Active D-Lighting" setting when shooting internal 8 bit? I am trying to find the right combination of Picture Control (PT, NL, or FT,) and settings (sharpening, contrast, saturation, etc) paired with Active D-Lighting (Low, Med, High, Extra High) to produce an internal 8 bit video image that looks great straight out of camera. Thanks again.
Thanks for the question, John. No, I never use "Active D." I have experimented with the Flat profile settings, since I used to customize the profile for use with my DSLRs, but find I like the Flat profile as is with the Z6s. In post, I add a tiny bit of saturation, tweak exposure if needed and add absolute minimum sharpening.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Thanks Raymond, appreciate the info on your approach to internal video. Currently in process with a ton of tests, if I get finished with them, I'll send you my results. Keep up the good work. Thanks again.
I've tried to play with the various setting of D-lighting, but anyway you will end up with an image that has way more dynamic range (measured about 1.7 stop recovered in the shadows) but also way more noise (D-lighting raise the iso way higher that what it's shown on camera) and limited moreover by the small internal bitrate and the rec.709 output
Fascinating - thank you Raymond. I’ve been eyeing the Atmos Ninja 5 for some time. This video proves it’s worth it. And did I understand correctly you have now acquired the Z 70-200 2.8s VR? Would love to know your thoughts on it. It’s now on special here in Germany and I have also put in an order… :)
Thanks, Zak. Yes, I've gone and got me the Z 70-200 2.8s VR, as announced here: ruclips.net/video/Vrg1m-9h4eY/видео.html And, yes, there's a video review in the works. Hope you'll come back to see this video in HD/UHD. To my horror this morning, I see it's stuck in 360p! Hopefully, RUclips finishes processing it soon.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto And who could blame you Raymond! There’s a 3-month wait for it here. In the meantime, I’m also thinking about getting the Z 14 to 30 F4. Which I see you also have! 👍
Yes, I like the 14-30 f/4S, used in this video. I'll likely stick with it rather than buy the 14-24 f/2.8. Incidentally, the 1080p version of this video is finally transcoded and looks OK. Who knows when the 4K version will be finished. I had to set the video back to private in the meantime.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Thank you so much Raymond! I will likely do the same. BTW Dan Watson recently did a review of the Nikon Z6ii. He made the comment that the 1080p video coming out of the Nikon Z6ii was so good (compared to the competition) that in many instances you can probably get away with it rather than using 4K. I assume the same is true for the Z6, which by the way he recommended over the Z6ii given Nikon’s current massive discounting of the Z6. Of course, if one has the time and patience, then 4K is obviously optimal and gives you more options for editing in post. Here’s a video idea: you could compare the 1080p to 4K and invite your viewers to compare and contrast what difference they see... But I won’t feel offended if you don’t act on this! Keep up the amazing work Raymond. I always get excited when I see you’ve put a new video out :)
Many thanks for the comparison between 8 and 10 bit. But if I want to use the 10 bit recording, do I than have to send the camera to Nikon for an upgrade? For 12 bit BRAW, i know an upgrade is needed, but is it also needed for 10 bit, or is an external recorder enough ?
You're welcome. No need for a factory upgrade to record 10-bit -- you only need an external recorder. As I noted in the video, the paid factory modification is only required to shoot ProRes Raw.
I use my newly Z6 with the Ninja V and record in Pro Res Hq im not sure if i should start shooting in log. i really dont understand it and it makes your iso go to 800 i believe. am i getting better quality shooting Pro Res Hq from the ninja instead of recording eternally to the z6?
Hi Ryan. You can choose from various ProRes 422 codecs on the Ninja, HQ being the highest quality/file size. Others include straight 422 and 422 LT (the smallest). Yes, Log sets base ISO to 800, meaning you're definitely going to need ND filters (though that would still be something you'd want anyway to maintain 180 degree rule). I'm not sure I follow when you say "record externally to the Z6." You would record externally to the Ninja, if you want greater bit depth (10-bit). Recording with the Z6 alone gets you internal 8-bit. Check out my Ninja set-up video: ruclips.net/video/igB8eiePyvU/видео.html
What setting did you use. Unfortunately, I don't have the 12-bit activation. Which would you recommend for 8 bit log? Have a Z6 II and a Ninja V there also the 99 dollar package. Which file format would be best? 10 bit goes only with the update or?
Do you record video with a Nikon Z camera? Do you shoot internal 8-bit only or do you shoot 10-bit or even 12-bit ProRes Raw to an external recorder? Let me know in the comments. Update (June 21) The video is now available in 4K resolution. Note: right now (11:25am Friday 18 June) the 4K version is still processing on RUclips. Update (June 19): 4K is now available. Update (June 19) The video has now reverted to 1080. I have contacted support and they refreshed it. We'll see if that solves the problem.
This is not Raw; it's Log, which still has a lot more flexibility than in-camera 8-bit. As noted in the video, to shoot Raw with the Z cameras requires a paid factory update. I may do that at some point. It should also be noted, in viewing these comparisons, that my interpretation of the Log footage is not necessarily how someone else might grade it.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto regardless, the difference is not worth the extra effort as I see it. You end up with a footage that you could as well be shot with the built-in profiles.
@@NVIK5 I can assure you that's not the case. If it were, I'd sell the Ninja. The difference in dynamic range is considerable and there is no built-in profile that can match the ability to record 10-bit ProRes 422. If there's any failing in the video, it's my lack of grading skills. But I'm learning from the experience.
Great video. I appreciate demos that showcase the working product/ end result instead of talking about features. 👍🏾
I don’t know anything about video but that 10 bit is impressive in the highlights! I think the music is great as well - v atmospheric.
Thanks, Steve (though I'm not taking credit for the 10-bit dynamic range😀). It certainly gives a lot more latitude with careful adjustment.
I'm also happy with the music -- I spent a lot longer than usual finding the right tune, which partly led to the deadline issue that, in turn, led to this video getting published in measly 360p, yesterday.
This version is still only 1080p, so hopefully the 4K gets processed soon.
The image quality looks AMAZING in both the 8 and 10 bit footage. At first glance I can't see any major difference. It'd be great if you can do a color grading tutorial both on 8 and 10 bit. Really love the colors. Thanks for posting!
Thanks. I don't know if there's much more I can add to what I've illustrated here as far as my grading workflow.
There's definitely more dynamic range with 10-bit which shows here especially in the highlights. With N-log I sometimes use the LUT, sometimes just the adjustments in FCP. As I say, the LUT can speed things up, but it's not a prerequisite.
Thank you for this video! I had D500 and then sold it and got Z6ii. The reason is pretty simple: Auto Focus. I got D500 when I didn't do videos, but when I started I learned that D500 did a terrible focus hunting, plus you could hear it. My Z6ii is much better in terms of AF. Of course, it also hunts a little bit, but it's nothing compared to D500. So far I'm happy with Z6ii. Regarding 8-bit VS 10-bit honestly, I didn't notice much difference between graded 8-bit videos and graded 10-bit videos besides highlights where 8 bit simply shows fewer details and the picture looks a bit overexposed compared to 10-bit. Like the very first "village" scene where the sky has more details in 10-bit video. The shadows look very close after grading. I think in my case 8 bit is more than enough at this time. Once I get few thousands subscribers I may get Ninja V, but for now Shinobi seems to be a better option for me. Both monitors are much better than the stock tiny display of my Z6ii. Of course, each case is different.
You're welcome. Any larger monitor is a great help, especially judging focus. But the extended exposure tools are worth every penny, whether shooting 8-bit or 10-bit. There's no doubt you get more latitude for colour grading with 10-bit, though you're right in that the 8-bit, shot internally, is very good from the Z cameras.
Ray you provide the best Nikon commentary out there!!
Cheers, Brian!
Thank you so much for taking the time and making the effort to make this particular video. I can imagine how much of both went into it! It has helped me stay where I am with 8-bit, at least for the moment. I now see I need to gain a lot more experience before I take the leap to 10-bit (if I ever do, to be honest!). I also agree with a comment below about the Shinobi, it certainly suits my level of expertise at the moment. Once again, many thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
There are some beautiful mountain scenes in this video
We're lucky here to have both mountain and ocean landscapes ... because I'm not sure which is dearer to me.
Thank you for exhaustive demonstration. So I can conclude that if you filming low contrast scene then 8 bit format is acceptable otherwise need more dynamic range and 10 bit is preferable.
That's the long and short of it, really. Depends on what you plan to do with it in post. More bits = more latitude.
Excellent video Raymond. Can I record both externally and internally? Thanks :)
You can record 8-bit internally, 10-bit Log to RAW externally.
Hey thx for the comparison between 8 and 10 bit. Not overly convinced that I love the way the camera handles the highlights. It’s hard to tell because on some clips it looks very good and others not so good but I guess the ones I don’t like are captured that time of the day when the sun is harsh. Your review is still awesome because you kept it real - good work as always! You open my eyes - I don’t think the Z6 will be enough for me. I will probably go zcam or Komodo when I can afford it... awesome work brother! Your channel is great!
Thanks, Stefan. I sought out scenes with the most difficult lighting situations -- often backlit. It's not always necessary to capture every detail in highlights or shadows. Even our eyes can't do that, and so I didn't always take advantage of all the info in processing. (in fact, if I had these to do again, I'd probably crush the blacks more in some scenes).
My decision to buy into the Z system was guided by several factors, including cost -- much cheaper than dedicated cinema cameras (don't forget the lenses, etc.), I already had a collection of Nikon glass, the possibility of adding the Ninja V, the quality of the image, which holds its own across the industry, and just a little bit of brand loyalty.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto I’m a Nikon boy too! And it has never failed me besides the times I’ve dropped my cameras etc. I been using Nikon everyday in hard environments, rain, snow... But the quality isn’t really where I want to go. I wonder how the forest stream would have looked if you had under exposed it more and brought up the midrange. Crushing the blacks sounds cool but maybe not on that clip. I’m after a organic look - I clearly see that the camera is a little harsh on the highlights making it less organic - if that makes sense. Sorry for the English.
Thanks for all that work! Just shooting it would enough, but all that post processing... Jeebers.
I'm still not convinced about my Z6ii. It's a good enough still camera, but as a movie/video camera I was hoping to be amazed. I'm not.
That said, your video footage looks much better than mine. Your two years' experience shows. I'm still trying to get a handle on AF.
Good to see you back in top form!
Hi Peter. Thanks. In my case, the Z6 still gives more than my limited video experienced is capable of using. So, back to experimentation and fun.
Yet another really useful video, thanks! I think you may be my favourite channel now, as a fellow Nikon Z6 photographer and filmmaker.
Wow, thanks! I'm presently editing a video on the progress of this channel, so be sure to add your input.
Hi Raymond, thank you for making this video. Now that you have experience with internal 8-bit and external 10-bit recording, do you feel it is worth the expense and hassle of using the Atomos external recorder for the 10-bit PRORES files vs. using the internal 8-bit with the FLAT profile?
While it is indeed a more complex shooting and editing procedure, it's certainly worth the trouble in high dynamic range situations. The 10-bit results in a more "pliable" file. Of course, my new Z9 shoots 10-bit internally ... but at a premium.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Hi Raymond, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Much appreciated. I actually shot the Z9 for about 5 weeks and sent mine back and ordered a Z6 II for video and a Z7 II for still images. I personally found the Z9 to produce amazing videos and still images, but the size and weight for what I do were just too much. I am really happy with my choice and okay with giving up some of the more advanced features for the smaller size and weight of the Z6 II and Z7 II cameras. I just ordered an Atomos Ninja V, so I will give it a go for those higher dynamic range scenarios. I really love the quality of your videos and your content. Please keep going!
Hello. I'm watching this all the way from Korea. Thank you for making such a great video. I was wondering what song do you use for this video? It is bringing me such peace.
The song is Magic Forest by Itamar Doari. There is a longer version here: ruclips.net/video/UjwGOT4b6y0/видео.html
@@RaymondParkerPhoto thank you so much 💖
Thank you for this video Raymond. I really appreciate all the effort you make to show us these details.
Quick question for you, how do you reduce noise for these videos? Thank you so much.
You're welcome. I only use noise reduction in Final Cut Pro. I haven't yet tried any other application, like Neat Video.
Does 'recorded internally' mean MOV to SD Card? I know external means to the Ninja
To the camera's card, as explained in the video.
I need to know how you grade your 8bit fooage. Looks amazing! I can not get such good results with my flat settings on the nikon z6...
Covered in the video: 07:50
Lovely videos! I was on the fence on the Z6, but this video helped a lot. Currently holding on to my trusty D800, but video is in such high demand so it’s time to go hybrid. Been a Nikon shooter since I got my D70s on my 10th year birthday. Also, found your channel through Sam Newton’s Nikon music video ;)
Hi Lasse! Thanks for stopping by (hope you'll stick around). As I mention in other Nikon-related videos (list in description), I still have a D800. However, I'll probably sell it soon to help pay for some of my recent Z system acquisitions. As I recount in this video ruclips.net/video/lT6KseZk6BM/видео.html I've been a full-time Nikon shooter since I bought my first FM, in 1981.
Thanks for letting me know how you discovered my channel. I love that guy's video -- hilarious -- and told the humourless people in the Z group as much. ... and, look, it's getting me traffic! 😀
I definitely will stick around! Makes sense. The new Z-glass is absolutely astounding, so investing in the system seems sensible. Ah, the good old FM days. My roommate has one of those - only as a desk piece, though. At least it inspired the design of the Zfc in these modern times 😉
I really do, too! I’m actually in touch with a few friends in the music and video Industry for an idea with Sam in the near future, regarding the music video. You never know where people Discover you ☺️
Do we have to pay Nikon for recording nlog 10bit exterannaly in atomos?
No, that's for 12 bit RAW. To be clear, as per video, RAW recording requires a paid factory modification to the Z6 camera.
Hey! New to your channel, love the content. Upgrading to a Nikon Z6ii from the Z6 and just wanted to double-check something. I know that the Z6ii can shoot 4k 60 internally, but is there ANY option to shoot 4k 60 with an external recorder (e.g. N-log, Prores RAW, etc, etc) or is it all limited to 4k 30? I need the 4k 60 am debating whether or not to get an Atmos Ninja 5 + the 12-bit firmware upgrade!
Welcome aboard! I don't own a Z6II, but I gather from the Atomos website that 60p is not available for 4K, period.
It's a complex subject with many variables, depending on the scene, but 10-bit or 12-bit is not always the right answer.
As you may know, Nikon's 8-bit is very good, albeit with less wiggle room ... but you should always strive for good exposure.
Don't miss my new 10-bit tests, here: ruclips.net/video/Wq5Sdp6ZBGA/видео.html
It is limited to 4k30, I know, sadly
Hi, when we are connected to the Ninja V wit n log, 10 bit selected, can we also record when 60 or 120 fps is selected in the camera into the Ninja V? Or do we also need to change 10 bit to 8 bit?
You are limited to 60fps in 10 bit.
How the name of this music on start? TNX
Does the computer choke significantly more digesting 10 bit HQ video. I have preordered the Z9 but as you previously mentioned it’s going to most likely lead to necessitate a computer upgrade to be able to process the larger photo and video files. The old trash can Mac Pro hasn’t liked processing z6 and Atomos footage. And I fear the z9 video may cripple the Mac. I appreciate your video comparison and look forward to your take on your new Z9 and it’s work flow. Have you rendered 8 k video to see how it handles on set up now.
Thanks for the question, Jon. I don't know that I can give you a scientific answer, but yes 10-bit ProRes HQ presents achallenge for my present Intel MacBook.
That' means I need to use proxy media with anything but the most basic single-stream video
Then it works fine, other than long render times (my latest 8 minute video took most of an hour).
I haven't tested any 8K yet.
what is the name of this beautiful beautiful song?
The song is Magic Forest by Itamar Doari. There is a longer version here: ruclips.net/video/UjwGOT4b6y0/видео.html
I'm curious which looks better, 8 bit 4k or 10 bit hd - both in 60 fps. Any thoughts?
I can't say; haven't compared.
Thanks for the awesome video and effort Raymond. Really appreciated. I’ve been on the fence for a while now looking to add the ninja v to my
z6 and Z6ii. Question for you I haven’t been able to get a clear answer. Firstly, can the monitor be used only as a monitor, but still record regular 8 bit videos to cameras card? There would be some instances where this would be useful to me. At this point in time I mostly just want the monitor to help with framing (handheld and gimbal) and focus/exposure. Also, does the ninja v work at all when camera is shooting 1080 120fps? Can it be used as a monitor still but record the video to cameras card in 8 bit??? I’ve asked multiple people this and get multiple answers.
Thanks Cap'n. The Z6 can't record 120p via HDMI, as per manual: "HDMI output is not available while movies are being recorded at movie frame sizes of 1920 × 1080 120p, 1920 × 1080 100p, or 1920 × 1080 slow-motion or when the camera is connected to a computer running Camera Control Pro 2."
You could use the Ninja V as just monitor by simply running it sans media.
Hope this helps. Cheers!
@@RaymondParkerPhoto thank you Raymond! Dang it I totally missed that in the manual. Such a bummer because I tend to shoot a lot of the 1080 120, which it sounds like the Ninja will be useless for that. However, after much back and forth I still think I’m gonna give the Ninja V a go. Thanks again!
Thank you so much for sharing all this valuable information Raymond! This helps us all a lot! I did a similar comparison after I bought the Ninja V, but as soon as I add the N-LOG LUT to my footage, it blooooows out the red tones. making the footage completely uneditable. - Do you have any idea what I am doing wrong?
Hi Mark. Glad it was helpful! I can't say I've had a problem specifically with the red tones, but I find N-Log to be aggressive all 'round. I generally apply it at under 50%. Having said that, it's entirely possible to edit without using a LUT at all, which I often do.
I also have some LUTs I've made for specific projects, e.g. ruclips.net/video/kCCsBsj_dbM/видео.html
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Awesome! Thank you Raymond!!! I just saw a video today, where someone was color correcting and grading the N-Log without the use of any LUTs too. This is something I can totally live with! :-D - Now there is only one issue left, that really annoys me; the noise of the Atomos Ninja V fan. :-( I need a run and gun setup, as I am mostly working with kids and youths, where I can not set up someone to do the sound recording on a pole or something... Now I am a bit afraid, I made the wrong choice, with buying the Z6 and the Ninja V. As I am a hobbyist filmer and work for free only, I am on a tight budget though... LOL :-) Thanks again Raymond!!! YOur comment is highly appreciated! :-)
Hi Mark. Whether I'm using the Ninja or not ... in fact, long before I bought an external recorder, I try whenever possible to get the mic off the camera.
Question, the camera is able to shoot 8-bit internally correct? If so, how do you set that up? Thanks in advance!
There's really nothing to set up; just hit the record button.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto would 8-bit be the same as shooting in a flat profile?
The Flat profile is, to put it as simply as possible, just a way of interpreting the recorded colours.The Z6 has a number of profiles to choose from. 8-bit recording contains 256 million colours per pixel.
The recorded video can be further edited in post with software-based controls, profiles known as LUTS, etc.
There are many resources online to explain these in detail. I'll soon be publishing a tutorial on video options with the Z6. Stay tuned.
Thanks for the video. Do you use the "Active D-Lighting" setting when shooting internal 8 bit? I am trying to find the right combination of Picture Control (PT, NL, or FT,) and settings (sharpening, contrast, saturation, etc) paired with Active D-Lighting (Low, Med, High, Extra High) to produce an internal 8 bit video image that looks great straight out of camera. Thanks again.
Thanks for the question, John. No, I never use "Active D." I have experimented with the Flat profile settings, since I used to customize the profile for use with my DSLRs, but find I like the Flat profile as is with the Z6s.
In post, I add a tiny bit of saturation, tweak exposure if needed and add absolute minimum sharpening.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Thanks Raymond, appreciate the info on your approach to internal video. Currently in process with a ton of tests, if I get finished with them, I'll send you my results. Keep up the good work. Thanks again.
I've tried to play with the various setting of D-lighting, but anyway you will end up with an image that has way more dynamic range (measured about 1.7 stop recovered in the shadows) but also way more noise (D-lighting raise the iso way higher that what it's shown on camera) and limited moreover by the small internal bitrate and the rec.709 output
What is this program processing? Do you shoot in 4K 25?
As in the video, Final Cut Pro. Frame rate is 24fps.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto thanks
Do you use a lut for 8 bit flat correction?
99% of the time, no. Please refer to the "Workflow & Techniques" section of this video.
Fascinating - thank you Raymond. I’ve been eyeing the Atmos Ninja 5 for some time. This video proves it’s worth it. And did I understand correctly you have now acquired the Z 70-200 2.8s VR? Would love to know your thoughts on it. It’s now on special here in Germany and I have also put in an order… :)
Thanks, Zak. Yes, I've gone and got me the Z 70-200 2.8s VR, as announced here: ruclips.net/video/Vrg1m-9h4eY/видео.html
And, yes, there's a video review in the works. Hope you'll come back to see this video in HD/UHD. To my horror this morning, I see it's stuck in 360p! Hopefully, RUclips finishes processing it soon.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto And who could blame you Raymond! There’s a 3-month wait for it here. In the meantime, I’m also thinking about getting the Z 14 to 30 F4. Which I see you also have! 👍
Yes, I like the 14-30 f/4S, used in this video. I'll likely stick with it rather than buy the 14-24 f/2.8.
Incidentally, the 1080p version of this video is finally transcoded and looks OK. Who knows when the 4K version will be finished. I had to set the video back to private in the meantime.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Thank you so much Raymond! I will likely do the same. BTW Dan Watson recently did a review of the Nikon Z6ii. He made the comment that the 1080p video coming out of the Nikon Z6ii was so good (compared to the competition) that in many instances you can probably get away with it rather than using 4K. I assume the same is true for the Z6, which by the way he recommended over the Z6ii given Nikon’s current massive discounting of the Z6. Of course, if one has the time and patience, then 4K is obviously optimal and gives you more options for editing in post. Here’s a video idea: you could compare the 1080p to 4K and invite your viewers to compare and contrast what difference they see... But I won’t feel offended if you don’t act on this! Keep up the amazing work Raymond. I always get excited when I see you’ve put a new video out :)
Many thanks for the comparison between 8 and 10 bit. But if I want to use the 10 bit recording, do I than have to send the camera to Nikon for an upgrade? For 12 bit BRAW, i know an upgrade is needed, but is it also needed for 10 bit, or is an external recorder enough ?
You're welcome. No need for a factory upgrade to record 10-bit -- you only need an external recorder. As I noted in the video, the paid factory modification is only required to shoot ProRes Raw.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto Thanks !!!
Is it possible to record NLog with the Black magic video assist 12G? Only have seen videos with the Ninja V
@@Monster_mit_Monsterguss Yes it is possible. I have one.
@@JeffCelen Thanks for the quick response
I use my newly Z6 with the Ninja V and record in Pro Res Hq im not sure if i should start shooting in log. i really dont understand it and it makes your iso go to 800 i believe. am i getting better quality shooting Pro Res Hq from the ninja instead of recording eternally to the z6?
Hi Ryan. You can choose from various ProRes 422 codecs on the Ninja, HQ being the highest quality/file size. Others include straight 422 and 422 LT (the smallest).
Yes, Log sets base ISO to 800, meaning you're definitely going to need ND filters (though that would still be something you'd want anyway to maintain 180 degree rule).
I'm not sure I follow when you say "record externally to the Z6."
You would record externally to the Ninja, if you want greater bit depth (10-bit). Recording with the Z6 alone gets you internal 8-bit.
Check out my Ninja set-up video: ruclips.net/video/igB8eiePyvU/видео.html
What setting did you use. Unfortunately, I don't have the 12-bit activation.
Which would you recommend for 8 bit log?
Have a Z6 II and a Ninja V there also the 99 dollar package.
Which file format would be best?
10 bit goes only with the update or?
My settings are explained in the video. 10-bit has always been available to record externally.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto the problem only h256 or?
Do you record video with a Nikon Z camera? Do you shoot internal 8-bit only or do you shoot 10-bit or even 12-bit ProRes Raw to an external recorder? Let me know in the comments.
Update (June 21) The video is now available in 4K resolution.
Note: right now (11:25am Friday 18 June) the 4K version is still processing on RUclips. Update (June 19): 4K is now available. Update (June 19) The video has now reverted to 1080. I have contacted support and they refreshed it. We'll see if that solves the problem.
flat/8bit has gradients of green in forest - log/10bit has all greens are the same color 😞
In your examples FLAT is BETTER!
lost more detail in the mountains
It clearly shows that raw video has not got the flexibility of raw photo. For this level of improvement I would not bother with raw footage.
This is not Raw; it's Log, which still has a lot more flexibility than in-camera 8-bit. As noted in the video, to shoot Raw with the Z cameras requires a paid factory update. I may do that at some point.
It should also be noted, in viewing these comparisons, that my interpretation of the Log footage is not necessarily how someone else might grade it.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto regardless, the difference is not worth the extra effort as I see it. You end up with a footage that you could as well be shot with the built-in profiles.
@@NVIK5 I can assure you that's not the case. If it were, I'd sell the Ninja.
The difference in dynamic range is considerable and there is no built-in profile that can match the ability to record 10-bit ProRes 422.
If there's any failing in the video, it's my lack of grading skills. But I'm learning from the experience.
4K version is available. Maybe your screen needs adjustment.
@@RaymondParkerPhoto I see your other videos in 4k, but not this one. I assume it has not rendered yet.
I can't see the difference 😭😭😭
conclusion it is better to take Sony