I was urged to listen to serial by one of my sons. I assumed Syed was innocent due to the slant that was given in Serial. After listening to your deep dive on the evidence I changed my mind. You've just confirmed that with the episode x
I read the book written by the family friend years ago (Rabia). I thought he *might* be innocent. Then I listened to "Serial". I actually came away from that leaning towards guilt. And I don't think that was meant to be my takeaway.
@@LyricalTampon I think there is a little bit of slant. It's my understanding Rabia Chaudry initially approached Sarah Koenig to do the podcast. And one of the producers (I think) is on record as saying she does not believe there was enough evidence to convict. But it's not outrageous.
@@LyricalTampon When I first listened to the Serial podcast, I also came away from it that he was innocent. After returning to it recently to listen again, I can spot so many points where Koenig was being VERY generous with her interpretations of the evidence. Every time something incriminating comes up against Adnan, it is quickly accompanied by her speculating ways that Adnan is actually innocent. He is given every opportunity to make excuses and it is obvious that the narrative she is presenting (maybe not intentionally) is putting him in the most positive light possible within what the evidence provides. She does grapple a bit with coming to a conclusion, but during that grappling a significant amount of the evidence is being ignored or hand-waved away for what seems like the conclusion she wants rather than what the evidence points to. At least, that is my opinion after diving deeper into the evidence of the case since the Serial podcast.
If he’d admit it after all these years, I’d have a slither of respect for him. For those saying he’s done enough time - what about Hae? Her life ended a long time ago, by Adnan’s hands, what about her? What about the years she never had? Anyone turning circles in their mind to accuse anyone other than Adnan need to stop.
Well said, he has probably served long enough, but with his continual denial, he should be kept in prison. No different than Brendan Dassey or Luke Mitchell in the UK. If they can't admit what they have done, they dont deserve to walk the streets.
@@philmccracken2534 No there isn't. Lmfao! You people are delusional af. Care to counter any of the points made (with actual evidence pointing to his guilt) in the above episode?
After listening to Serial, i was left with the impression that Sarah Koenig was completely smitten by Adnan. Those big brown eyes, as she referenced, kind of blew my mind. She cut him a lot of slack, her researcheds either let her down, or she ignored the findings. Adnan has never attacked Jay. He does not want to because he knows the damage he can cause by telling what happened. Adnan is capable of performing a full presentation to the media about his innocence, but still can't remember what he did, what he said on that day. He is guilty.
What really confused me after giving it another listen was, why did she talk with Adnan for over 30 hours? It feels very strange considering his explanations mostly amount to "I can't remember", "I am not sure", or "I would typically do X". It really struck me as a very odd course to take when all the evidence seems to exist within the evidence that the State provided during the trial, so his personal testimony is largely irrelevant to identifying the truth of the matter. It feels like she was getting involved in Adnan as a person, rather than Adnan as a suspect, and in doing so really seems to damage her ability to remain objective.
Yes, her also saying that someone who talked the way he did he just couldnt be a psychopath. Its just so naiive. Psychopaths arent what you see in the movies, in real life they often appear so normal.
@kimberlyquinn8820 He, in particular, has zero empathy. It's all about him and his poor family and what they have gone through. He has been a model prisoner because he is with men. Put him in front of a woman who disrespect s him. See what happens.
I spent last 2 days binging your series on this subject and I listened to all 14 parts. I came in with one opinion and left with a conclusion that I was wrong and I can’t believe I would ever say this, but I agree although we will never know what happened fully but I would be a fool to think he is innocent.
I knew for a fact that there were cracks in the #FreeAdnan foundation when they tried to push track practice back to 3:30 pm (instead of 4 pm) and when they lied about Adnan's brother's name, Tanveer Ali Syed.
After many years of following true crime and after so many disappointments with most of the creators covering true crime, I was just about done. Then I find this channel. Thank you for great content.
The most important piece of evidence is the fact that Jay knew where the car was. The notion that the police fed him this information is indeed absurd, as is the idea that he found it by accident. So either he killed Hae or Adnan did. Did any of Adnan's defenders ever make a convincing case that Jay did it? If not, the case seems to be really simple after all.
@@ArohaStill In some other part of their podcast, the hosts go into great detail of what you would need to believe in order to think the police told Jay where the car is. tl;dr: It is virtually impossible.
I enjoyed their episode today, too! And their previous coverage of the case. I love how they started their series knowing little about it and came to the obvious conclusion that Adnan is guilty.
This case was the first one of yours I listened to (I was sent to you by Crime Weekly). It was THE BEST and I love your podcast and all the work. Thanks so much. I’ll take 14 episodes for a series from you guys any day!.
He’s guilty. I watched crime weekly, and all I knew about the case going in is it was a very popular wrongful conviction case. As they kept going further and further in not only could I see them changing their mind, but I was just waiting for the part where all the confusion came from. I thought he was guilty and then I listened to Serial and it’s one of the most bias presentations of a case I’ve ever heard. I’ve listened to this afterwards which just reconfirmed his guilt to me but how anyone can take Rabia seriously is beyond me, He deserves to be in jail. He killed her and he’s not sorry
Brett and Alice appreciate your time on this case. I love the podcasts. Would love you to cover the Jodie Jones murder in Scotland. The killer is Luke Mitchell, and he is still in prison after 20 plus years. There is a whole innocence movement similar to the Teresa Halbach case trying to get his release. Basically, it is a circumstantial case that has stood the test of time. Thanks once again.
The first podcast I’ve ever heard point out Adnan’s older brother’s full name- Tanveer Ali Syed. I’d assume those so close to Adnan would know this fact yet we’ve never heard that before….the defense interview with Ali is very telling.
It was mentioned several times that the “Ali” mentioned in the interview notes was a law clerk or assistant and not Adnan’s brother…whose name was not Ali but Tanveer. Just seems interesting to only now hear his full name.
The defense has notes from an interview with Adnan’s brother that doesn’t look great for Adnan. The interview is labeled “interview with defendants brother.” The brother’s name is listed as Ali. However in past podcasts they have said Adnan doesn’t have a brother Ali, his brother s name is Tanveer. Now we hear his full name is Tanveer Ali Syed
If you haven’t yet, do the west Memphis 3 are guilty. If you don’t know why yet, look up exhibit 500 in the case and then William Ramseys work on the subject.
Hes guilty...but never in more then 30 years of folling crime cases have i ever seen charges dismissed when agreed upon by the state the defense and the judge and an apoeaks court reinstate it on an absurd technicality. It sets a dangerous precedent for peoole who are truly innocent. JMO
The law and the requirements of open courts and presentation of evidence do equal "absurd technicality." Adnan and his supporters have no one but themselves to blame for perverting the justice system and engineering a sham hearing and fraud on the court.
@@ProsecutorsPodcast except the state and the judge went along with it...and the absurdity is the conviction was re unstated cause the victims family wasn't notified ahead of time..as if it would have changed anything
The records of this case show that you missreprented a lot of information. It's pretty bold of you to open with "go to the records" when you guys clearly live to pull crap out your butts when it comes to this case.
You two make so many statements in here that reveal you obviously do not understand what’s really going on in this case. Jay always knew more than he was willing to say. Adnan is innocent. Jay was involved and helped to frame Adnan. If you can’t see this you’re ignoring reality. All these “you’ve got to believe that…” statements are meaningless. They can be deconstructed easily. I don’t have time to fully explain now but I will comment with more detail of my disagreements with your analysis.
@@TheChannel32 Denial has nothing to do with it. Logic is being applied to the facts. These two would seemingly rather deal in assumptions. Anyone who believes Adnan is guilty is in denial about reality.
@@philmccracken2534 You've obviously only listened to 'Serial' to form this opinion. Do me a favor and listen to all 14 episodes of their breakdown, then come back and discuss. With all the information out there, anyone still saying he's innocent is delusional on an epic scale
@@TheChannel32 You are clueless as to what I’ve listened to. I’ve heard serial yes, but it leaves out so much. I HAVE listened to every single episode (all 14) they released on this case and I had the same issue with every single one that I have here. These two are not looking at the evidence without bias. They are clearly letting their biases run rampant and not giving a fair review of ALL facts. You should listen to the undisclosed podcast, it explains a lot of what serial leaves out.
I was urged to listen to serial by one of my sons. I assumed Syed was innocent due to the slant that was given in Serial. After listening to your deep dive on the evidence I changed my mind.
You've just confirmed that with the episode x
I read the book written by the family friend years ago (Rabia). I thought he *might* be innocent. Then I listened to "Serial". I actually came away from that leaning towards guilt. And I don't think that was meant to be my takeaway.
There's no slant, Koenig just isn't an investigator. The end of Serial is pretty good at emphasizing there's a lot of evidence he did it.
@@LyricalTampon I think there is a little bit of slant. It's my understanding Rabia Chaudry initially approached Sarah Koenig to do the podcast. And one of the producers (I think) is on record as saying she does not believe there was enough evidence to convict. But it's not outrageous.
@@LyricalTampon When I first listened to the Serial podcast, I also came away from it that he was innocent. After returning to it recently to listen again, I can spot so many points where Koenig was being VERY generous with her interpretations of the evidence. Every time something incriminating comes up against Adnan, it is quickly accompanied by her speculating ways that Adnan is actually innocent. He is given every opportunity to make excuses and it is obvious that the narrative she is presenting (maybe not intentionally) is putting him in the most positive light possible within what the evidence provides. She does grapple a bit with coming to a conclusion, but during that grappling a significant amount of the evidence is being ignored or hand-waved away for what seems like the conclusion she wants rather than what the evidence points to. At least, that is my opinion after diving deeper into the evidence of the case since the Serial podcast.
One of only a handful of shows in true crime that has genuine concern and empathy for victims. It’s always so refreshing to hear.
Are you serious? Sandy Hook victims might not see things like you do.
If he’d admit it after all these years, I’d have a slither of respect for him. For those saying he’s done enough time - what about Hae? Her life ended a long time ago, by Adnan’s hands, what about her? What about the years she never had? Anyone turning circles in their mind to accuse anyone other than Adnan need to stop.
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Well said, he has probably served long enough, but with his continual denial, he should be kept in prison. No different than Brendan Dassey or Luke Mitchell in the UK.
If they can't admit what they have done, they dont deserve to walk the streets.
*sliver
@@davidmillerson4838let them have remorse and stay where they are
Thank you! Absolutely loved when you did this with the Scott Peterson case. Just like Scott, He's guilty and where he belongs!
He's free now, isn't he?
@@John-tj4up No. He just got re-sentenced to life in prison, in fact.
To be clear, I was referring to Scott Peterson. I think Adnan is currently out, yes.
I still, to this day, cannot believe there were people who believed he was innocent. It just blows my mind
Exactly
@@adamant5550 well he is innocent. So idk what you’re getting at.
@@philmccracken2534 Evidence?
@@adamant5550 Yes, there are mountains of evidence out there that proves he is innocent. Go look it up. Not my job to teach you anything.
@@philmccracken2534 No there isn't. Lmfao! You people are delusional af. Care to counter any of the points made (with actual evidence pointing to his guilt) in the above episode?
After listening to Serial, i was left with the impression that Sarah Koenig was completely smitten by Adnan. Those big brown eyes, as she referenced, kind of blew my mind.
She cut him a lot of slack, her researcheds either let her down, or she ignored the findings.
Adnan has never attacked Jay. He does not want to because he knows the damage he can cause by telling what happened.
Adnan is capable of performing a full presentation to the media about his innocence, but still can't remember what he did, what he said on that day.
He is guilty.
What really confused me after giving it another listen was, why did she talk with Adnan for over 30 hours? It feels very strange considering his explanations mostly amount to "I can't remember", "I am not sure", or "I would typically do X". It really struck me as a very odd course to take when all the evidence seems to exist within the evidence that the State provided during the trial, so his personal testimony is largely irrelevant to identifying the truth of the matter. It feels like she was getting involved in Adnan as a person, rather than Adnan as a suspect, and in doing so really seems to damage her ability to remain objective.
I think you hit the nail on the head!
Yes, her also saying that someone who talked the way he did he just couldnt be a psychopath. Its just so naiive. Psychopaths arent what you see in the movies, in real life they often appear so normal.
@kimberlyquinn8820 He, in particular, has zero empathy. It's all about him and his poor family and what they have gone through. He has been a model prisoner because he is with men. Put him in front of a woman who disrespect s him. See what happens.
I spent last 2 days binging your series on this subject and I listened to all 14 parts. I came in with one opinion and left with a conclusion that I was wrong and I can’t believe I would ever say this, but I agree although we will never know what happened fully but I would be a fool to think he is innocent.
I knew for a fact that there were cracks in the #FreeAdnan foundation when they tried to push track practice back to 3:30 pm (instead of 4 pm) and when they lied about Adnan's brother's name, Tanveer Ali Syed.
It’s so sad a guilty man is now celebrated as a hero. Thanks for another excellent podcast.
Unfortunately, he's guilty.
After many years of following true crime and after so many disappointments with most of the creators covering true crime, I was just about done. Then I find this channel.
Thank you for great content.
Adnan not having the decency to admit guilt after all these years is just chilling. What a POS.
Dang he is guilty
So glad to see they are back to fully covering a case and reading all the facts. Great episode!
Ha Ha. Glad to see your comment lasted.
Yes he is ❤
He sure the hell is
Agreed
Thank you for getting the right information out there. So much misinformation online in regards to this case.
The most important piece of evidence is the fact that Jay knew where the car was. The notion that the police fed him this information is indeed absurd, as is the idea that he found it by accident. So either he killed Hae or Adnan did.
Did any of Adnan's defenders ever make a convincing case that Jay did it? If not, the case seems to be really simple after all.
I totally agree with you.
I truly feel that Jay fits the crime better than Adnan does.
Just because Jay led them to the car, doesn't mean either did it. I never put anything past police.
@@ArohaStill In some other part of their podcast, the hosts go into great detail of what you would need to believe in order to think the police told Jay where the car is.
tl;dr: It is virtually impossible.
@@znation5983 I believe not even Adnan or his defense team have ever made that claim.
Yep, I don't see how he's not smh
I came from Crime Weekly!
I enjoyed their episode today, too! And their previous coverage of the case. I love how they started their series knowing little about it and came to the obvious conclusion that Adnan is guilty.
Yeah. I wanted him to be innocent… but he sure looks guilty. Such a tragedy, the whole thing.
When you know, you know! Love you guys ❤️
This case was the first one of yours I listened to (I was sent to you by Crime Weekly). It was THE BEST and I love your podcast and all the work. Thanks so much. I’ll take 14 episodes for a series from you guys any day!.
Now I need to go see what your thoughts are on Karen Reed .
He’s guilty. I watched crime weekly, and all I knew about the case going in is it was a very popular wrongful conviction case. As they kept going further and further in not only could I see them changing their mind, but I was just waiting for the part where all the confusion came from.
I thought he was guilty and then I listened to Serial and it’s one of the most bias presentations of a case I’ve ever heard. I’ve listened to this afterwards which just reconfirmed his guilt to me but how anyone can take Rabia seriously is beyond me,
He deserves to be in jail. He killed her and he’s not sorry
Brett and Alice appreciate your time on this case. I love the podcasts.
Would love you to cover the Jodie Jones murder in Scotland. The killer is Luke Mitchell, and he is still in prison after 20 plus years.
There is a whole innocence movement similar to the Teresa Halbach case trying to get his release.
Basically, it is a circumstantial case that has stood the test of time.
Thanks once again.
Outstanding interview. Love me some Minks❤🎉.
I swear I heard a mic drop there at the end! Lol
Ad free baby! ❤
The first podcast I’ve ever heard point out Adnan’s older brother’s full name- Tanveer Ali Syed. I’d assume those so close to Adnan would know this fact yet we’ve never heard that before….the defense interview with Ali is very telling.
Why is this significant to you? His name was never a secret.
It was mentioned several times that the “Ali” mentioned in the interview notes was a law clerk or assistant and not Adnan’s brother…whose name was not Ali but Tanveer. Just seems interesting to only now hear his full name.
what interview
The defense has notes from an interview with Adnan’s brother that doesn’t look great for Adnan. The interview is labeled “interview with defendants brother.” The brother’s name is listed as Ali. However in past podcasts they have said Adnan doesn’t have a brother Ali, his brother s name is Tanveer. Now we hear his full name is Tanveer Ali Syed
prosecutorspodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ali-interview.pdf
Love the transcript and the foot notes x
If you haven’t yet, do the west Memphis 3 are guilty. If you don’t know why yet, look up exhibit 500 in the case and then William Ramseys work on the subject.
That's what these documentaries or podcast do. They instill sympathy towards the accused that you don't want to believe they'll do such a thing.
Ok, I’m willing to go with your research. Now, why has there been so much back and forth? Was this telling of the events not argued at trial?
I was just reading about a case- although I think guilt is obvious- Magalhães and Banfield. What is interesting is she is in jail on remand he isn't.
#lockhimup
I’ve come full circle. Don’t like it but I have
A quick search sais Sarah Koenig rakes in 5 mil$ per year off Serial. Disturbing.
Hes guilty...but never in more then 30 years of folling crime cases have i ever seen charges dismissed when agreed upon by the state the defense and the judge and an apoeaks court reinstate it on an absurd technicality. It sets a dangerous precedent for peoole who are truly innocent. JMO
The law and the requirements of open courts and presentation of evidence do equal "absurd technicality." Adnan and his supporters have no one but themselves to blame for perverting the justice system and engineering a sham hearing and fraud on the court.
@@ProsecutorsPodcast except the state and the judge went along with it...and the absurdity is the conviction was re unstated cause the victims family wasn't notified ahead of time..as if it would have changed anything
Well you surely proved jay is gulty...did the irl whio helped him destroy evidence e go to jail?
Just say the word details.
I think Adnan is innocent, but I’m going to give this a listen with an open mind….
Ditto 🇦🇺
Who killed Hae?
Highly recommend to listen the entire series on this case
Can you say what you have seen or read makes you think he is innocent? That would be really helpful to understand why you think that way.
Good lord, how?
The records of this case show that you missreprented a lot of information. It's pretty bold of you to open with "go to the records" when you guys clearly live to pull crap out your butts when it comes to this case.
First!
Second
You two make so many statements in here that reveal you obviously do not understand what’s really going on in this case. Jay always knew more than he was willing to say. Adnan is innocent. Jay was involved and helped to frame Adnan. If you can’t see this you’re ignoring reality. All these “you’ve got to believe that…” statements are meaningless. They can be deconstructed easily. I don’t have time to fully explain now but I will comment with more detail of my disagreements with your analysis.
Denial is a powerful thing
@@TheChannel32 Denial has nothing to do with it. Logic is being applied to the facts. These two would seemingly rather deal in assumptions. Anyone who believes Adnan is guilty is in denial about reality.
@@philmccracken2534 You've obviously only listened to 'Serial' to form this opinion. Do me a favor and listen to all 14 episodes of their breakdown, then come back and discuss. With all the information out there, anyone still saying he's innocent is delusional on an epic scale
@@TheChannel32 You are clueless as to what I’ve listened to. I’ve heard serial yes, but it leaves out so much. I HAVE listened to every single episode (all 14) they released on this case and I had the same issue with every single one that I have here. These two are not looking at the evidence without bias. They are clearly letting their biases run rampant and not giving a fair review of ALL facts. You should listen to the undisclosed podcast, it explains a lot of what serial leaves out.
@@TheChannel32 Anyone who believes he is guilty is willfully ignoring reality.