I know they're never gonna do it, because they want flat stats to be bad, but I would love it if flat stats were counted as base stats instead. That way it would be more about finding a good ratio of flat and % stats.
@@quinn7630 You could code it, so that external buffs are counted separately I guess, which I guess would make it a net nerf to Bennett, cause it is easier to get to higher ATK numbers without him, also a nerf to 5 Star weapons.
What if they release a character with skill ability that adds flat atk, def, or HP into your base stats? Mihoyo have so many characters now that I think they pull some BS like that if they want.🤔
@@quinn7630 they'd just need to tweak the formula so that flat atk is added to base atk first, and then applied with atk%. Just tweak it so that things like food buffs are applied the way that flat attack currently is, so they happen after all other calculations. Bennet would still look at just base attack, but flat atk would be more valuable than it currently is as it would also benefit from any atk% you happened to get. They could also do the same with with Flat Def and Flat HP to make them less bad on characters who benefit from those as well. either that, or admit its' shit and convert Flower to Static HP% and Feather to Static Atk%. Both values start to fall off a cliff around 40-50 and just get less and noticeable as you approach 90. (and a lot of players don't even heavily build artifacts that low and don't even get to benefit from the periods where flats are at their strongest).
3:45 You actually can if you use a glitch If you talk to Katherine and stay on the menu, you can have one of your friends join your world and you can collect your commissions with double friendship exp. Its been awhile since I tried this but it should still work hopefully
Wouldn’t be able to tell from the views but this video is extremely well made that sets out to answer the question at hand and much more. Underrated for sure!
When it comes to collecting dailies with Katherine in Co-op you are actually able to do it if the co-op member joins and the co-op starts after you open Katherine's menu but before collecting the exp, and you'll be able to get the double exp, unless they patched that since I last tested that in 4.2
@@raymouse yep yep, I saw someone show how to do it when calculating the same thing, it worked for me then using my friend's account and if you can get someone to request a world invite at just the right moment, you should be able to do it yourself!
@@raymouse Yes, for a while these were banned terms in the official discord's co-op request rooms due to being considered exploit abuse, but you will now frequently see people requesting "kath claims" as well as doing the random events for friendship. It wasn't around until part way through Sumeru where it was permitted.
For friendship xp, there are spots that guarantee a 15 point value. One, for example, is the "dog feeding one" in Inazuma. So 2100 from events per week, and therefore, just over 10k per week. That Inazuma one, by the way, will also be available each time you log into the world, so quit and log back in, you can do it 10x pretty quickly. And yes, some people do do that. Though most likely not while using co-op.
Also, you can increase your weekly exp by 700 if you have someone join you in coop right after you start talking to katherine, but before you accept the reward. This does work and my friends and I usually do this before farming the Inazuma puppers.
I used to do the dog feeding thing every day. I stopped doing it since I didn’t want to max everyone out and waste the friendship exp I got just by playing. I currently have all my characters except Arlecchino, Chiori, and Mika (all of whom I’ve only gotten in the last two patches) at max friendship.
The best method known for farming random event 10x15 is crocodile farming in sumeru, there is a tiny island near old varanara, you can stand there, use ganyu/yelan or anyone that can 1shot em, exit game and login again rinse and repeat
I mean, yes atk% is better then flatatk, that is something most people can accept, but more like flatatk is maybe better then hp/def (on characters who wants to deal damage ofc), so it would be a more relevant comparison to do flatatk vs '0' instead since many states that flatatk is basicly as bad as them. Still, very well made video, gj! :)
as a friendship EXP farmer I can confirm. My record was 21 days to friendship 10. It's an... interesting routine to have. Every technique you said was something I applied using my friend's account to do her dailies + also compliment my account, while also giving her free commissions and her freedom to do resin & continue with her IRL work. Great video brother o7, hope you hit it big
#1) There's a direct conversion formula from atk% to flat attack or the other way around. So the relative effectiness formula is: (total base attack * 5.83%) / 19.45 or total base attack / 333.619... with that, if total base attack < 333.619 then flat attack is better, otherwise atk% is better. #2) You can actually double the friendship XP from Katherine and another commenter already explained it. I did all that for wrio and there's a double leyline reward event (I effectively have extra 60 resin per day for 7 days) so I did reach lvl 10 far earlier than his banner's duration. #3) Yeah, she's ba-
You can collect dailies in co-op, actually! Talk to Katherine in single player, accept a join request while in the dialogue menu and you'll get double the friendship points!
Random events in co op sucks, but solo it shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to do 😆especially that spot in inazuma with a bow character to shoot at the wall to kill the pigeons and the sumeru spot near Varanara where you kill 2 gators Edit: and all you have to do is kill them, return to the spot you were at to spawn the events, quit to menu and go back in, which takes a few seconds with decent internet
When you think you know about all the mechanics in the game at this point and suddenly this random person on the internet tells you there's a x2 bonus for friendship exp while in co-op. HUH?
I need a character with a passive that ensures you wont get artifacts with flat Hp, Def, Atk sub-stats. Every time I see flat Def I know that the probability if getting subsequent rolls on it it higher that the sum of the probability of the other sub-stats.
I did the coop friendship farm for Yae Miko in patch 2.5 when I got her. She hit friendship 10 just before her banner finished. I had to rush her card.
Before the clues trying to guess each mode myself, I thought it would be either Keqing or Ayaka. After the clues, I went with Ayaka. One of the easiest (correct) conclusions of my life. 😂
Yall out here complaining while we Wriothesly mains have waited over a year without a SINGLE rerun. Wriothesly came out, and then just left, never to be seen again.
Yeah but who want Shenhe these days... I love Wrio but eh... She was too tailor made for Ayaka or to be C6 lol. More into a Xianyun rerun, as usual with healer plenty of people didn't see her value on first run. And being good at explo + enabling fun and simple to play comps with a large majority of the cast is simply good imo. Anyway, thx for the video. Informative ^^
No, I'm not. I threw on some gladiator finale and kept it moving. Im dont playing their mind games for now. Because im still trying to min max other characters.
Defense allow you tank hit better which applied to Shield as well as no shield. HP just more heath. If you have alot of HP but not enough Defense to take it, you might still die. However it's best if we just don't take dmg and avoid the risk. So both are equal in survivability.
Flat attack is actually good, especially if it's a support character running a support weapon with low base attack Especially someone like Lisa with TTDS as hyperbloom proccer, that extra damage from flat atk is very much appreciated
Neither TTDS nor hyperbloom become better with the carrier/trigger gaining atk. And %atk is always way more atk than flat, unless you keep both your character and weapon near lvl 1 just for the sake of going "nuh uh". The stat is exactly as bad as it's made out to be - a waste of a roll. It shouldn't exist, it only does for the sake of padding the arti grind
@@Ayzev Bruh, there's a difference between your skill doing 1k damage vs it doing 2k damage, that adds up over time even if it's not your main source of damage
@@Ayzev No? You literally can't roll EM as a substat on an EM piece... Hyperbloom runs EM/EM/EM, and the only useful substats you can get on those pieces are ER/crit/atk and flat Atk would be the best stat there, because your crit ratio is definitely trash without a crit circlet, and the best EM weapon (Sac Frag) has low base attack.
@@justapasserbyrandomperson9325 As I already said, flat atk is always less atk than %atk. You can do math this simple yourself. And you can still roll em on the feather and flower, and Lisa needs er as well.
I really enjoyed the video, but for the first part of the video, wouldn't it have been best to make a graph plotting both flat atk and atk% so you can illustrate exactly where they cross on the graph, which thenceforth would be when atk% is better? I know this is meant to be a quick overview but graphs were quite literally invented to visually present mathematical information in a way that is easier to understand.
No its Xangling because Ayaka is not basic she is Rich family member she can buy any she want Xangling is average money income from cooking on restaurant also this why gouba like xangling she deserved better
Ayaka randomly catching a sniper stray lmfao
I know they're never gonna do it, because they want flat stats to be bad, but I would love it if flat stats were counted as base stats instead. That way it would be more about finding a good ratio of flat and % stats.
That would promove bennett from adventurer to pyro archon
@@quinn7630 You could code it, so that external buffs are counted separately I guess, which I guess would make it a net nerf to Bennett, cause it is easier to get to higher ATK numbers without him, also a nerf to 5 Star weapons.
What if they release a character with skill ability that adds flat atk, def, or HP into your base stats? Mihoyo have so many characters now that I think they pull some BS like that if they want.🤔
@@quinn7630 they'd just need to tweak the formula so that flat atk is added to base atk first, and then applied with atk%. Just tweak it so that things like food buffs are applied the way that flat attack currently is, so they happen after all other calculations.
Bennet would still look at just base attack, but flat atk would be more valuable than it currently is as it would also benefit from any atk% you happened to get.
They could also do the same with with Flat Def and Flat HP to make them less bad on characters who benefit from those as well.
either that, or admit its' shit and convert Flower to Static HP% and Feather to Static Atk%.
Both values start to fall off a cliff around 40-50 and just get less and noticeable as you approach 90. (and a lot of players don't even heavily build artifacts that low and don't even get to benefit from the periods where flats are at their strongest).
I got absolutely terrified when you joked that Xiangling OPPA was the most average Genshin character LMAO
2:00 TW AYAKA JUMPSCARE
3:45 You actually can if you use a glitch
If you talk to Katherine and stay on the menu, you can have one of your friends join your world and you can collect your commissions with double friendship exp. Its been awhile since I tried this but it should still work hopefully
Kaveh on his way to beat up Baizhu for rerunning twice before he can even rerun once:
Wouldn’t be able to tell from the views but this video is extremely well made that sets out to answer the question at hand and much more. Underrated for sure!
When it comes to collecting dailies with Katherine in Co-op you are actually able to do it if the co-op member joins and the co-op starts after you open Katherine's menu but before collecting the exp, and you'll be able to get the double exp, unless they patched that since I last tested that in 4.2
Fr?? I've actually never heard of that before
@@raymouse yep yep, I saw someone show how to do it when calculating the same thing, it worked for me then using my friend's account and if you can get someone to request a world invite at just the right moment, you should be able to do it yourself!
This is legit and i dont think hoyo need to patch this
I just finished typing my own explanation after not finding anything related to friendship with ctrl+f instead of scrolling down slightly 💀
@@raymouse Yes, for a while these were banned terms in the official discord's co-op request rooms due to being considered exploit abuse, but you will now frequently see people requesting "kath claims" as well as doing the random events for friendship. It wasn't around until part way through Sumeru where it was permitted.
For friendship xp, there are spots that guarantee a 15 point value. One, for example, is the "dog feeding one" in Inazuma. So 2100 from events per week, and therefore, just over 10k per week.
That Inazuma one, by the way, will also be available each time you log into the world, so quit and log back in, you can do it 10x pretty quickly. And yes, some people do do that. Though most likely not while using co-op.
Also, you can increase your weekly exp by 700 if you have someone join you in coop right after you start talking to katherine, but before you accept the reward. This does work and my friends and I usually do this before farming the Inazuma puppers.
i farmed that for a whole month when i was broke two years ago. it kinda helped i guess.
I used to do the dog feeding thing every day. I stopped doing it since I didn’t want to max everyone out and waste the friendship exp I got just by playing. I currently have all my characters except Arlecchino, Chiori, and Mika (all of whom I’ve only gotten in the last two patches) at max friendship.
Is there a cap to how many times you can do it general?
@@nuraxisnx4723 10 times a day
The best method known for farming random event 10x15 is crocodile farming in sumeru, there is a tiny island near old varanara, you can stand there, use ganyu/yelan or anyone that can 1shot em, exit game and login again rinse and repeat
any video explaining the exact spot?
I mean, yes atk% is better then flatatk, that is something most people can accept, but more like flatatk is maybe better then hp/def (on characters who wants to deal damage ofc), so it would be a more relevant comparison to do flatatk vs '0' instead since many states that flatatk is basicly as bad as them. Still, very well made video, gj! :)
as a friendship EXP farmer I can confirm. My record was 21 days to friendship 10. It's an... interesting routine to have.
Every technique you said was something I applied using my friend's account to do her dailies + also compliment my account, while also giving her free commissions and her freedom to do resin & continue with her IRL work. Great video brother o7, hope you hit it big
Really wanted it to be xl for the memes
#1) There's a direct conversion formula from atk% to flat attack or the other way around. So the relative effectiness formula is:
(total base attack * 5.83%) / 19.45
or
total base attack / 333.619...
with that, if total base attack < 333.619 then flat attack is better, otherwise atk% is better.
#2) You can actually double the friendship XP from Katherine and another commenter already explained it.
I did all that for wrio and there's a double leyline reward event (I effectively have extra 60 resin per day for 7 days) so I did reach lvl 10 far earlier than his banner's duration.
#3) Yeah, she's ba-
"ayaka is basic"
Da Wei took that personally.
You can collect dailies in co-op, actually! Talk to Katherine in single player, accept a join request while in the dialogue menu and you'll get double the friendship points!
Random events in co op sucks, but solo it shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to do 😆especially that spot in inazuma with a bow character to shoot at the wall to kill the pigeons and the sumeru spot near Varanara where you kill 2 gators
Edit: and all you have to do is kill them, return to the spot you were at to spawn the events, quit to menu and go back in, which takes a few seconds with decent internet
This is an awesome breakdown.
thanks for the info i have a circlet that only rolled on crit and flat attack now i know its not that bad.
Once again, I am learning so much from you ^ ^
I figured Flat attack was better as a beginner, but didn't realize how much better atk% got at higher levels
When you think you know about all the mechanics in the game at this point and suddenly this random person on the internet tells you there's a x2 bonus for friendship exp while in co-op.
HUH?
Being 1/3 as effective as ATK% is actually much better than I expected.
I need a character with a passive that ensures you wont get artifacts with flat Hp, Def, Atk sub-stats. Every time I see flat Def I know that the probability if getting subsequent rolls on it it higher that the sum of the probability of the other sub-stats.
your videos are so fun to watch
I always knew it's better but didn't know that it was so much.
I did the coop friendship farm for Yae Miko in patch 2.5 when I got her. She hit friendship 10 just before her banner finished. I had to rush her card.
Before the clues trying to guess each mode myself, I thought it would be either Keqing or Ayaka. After the clues, I went with Ayaka. One of the easiest (correct) conclusions of my life. 😂
I'd still rather have flat ATK over any DEF or HP of any kind (unless the unit also scales off of DEF or HP)
Yall out here complaining while we Wriothesly mains have waited over a year without a SINGLE rerun. Wriothesly came out, and then just left, never to be seen again.
This is such a resinless behavior
ngl you got me in the first half with XL
I'm so happy that my boy Baizhu gonna have a rerun on my birthday ❤, I love him and I pretend to C6 him ❤
Yeah but who want Shenhe these days...
I love Wrio but eh...
She was too tailor made for Ayaka or to be C6 lol. More into a Xianyun rerun, as usual with healer plenty of people didn't see her value on first run. And being good at explo + enabling fun and simple to play comps with a large majority of the cast is simply good imo.
Anyway, thx for the video. Informative ^^
Nice video.
"wet socks" ayaka vanilla af
Also, you get +60 resin from teapot each week
wow raymouse u did it again
No, I'm not. I threw on some gladiator finale and kept it moving. Im dont playing their mind games for now. Because im still trying to min max other characters.
with high baste attack weapon % is way better
wait.. there was someone out there, who thought flat attak was better than %?....
It would be infinitely better if it was base atk instead of flat atk.
Baizhu rerunning so often is absurd.
What is the better survivability stat? Defense or HP? Does the answer change when healing/shielding is also used?
Defense allow you tank hit better which applied to Shield as well as no shield.
HP just more heath. If you have alot of HP but not enough Defense to take it, you might still die. However it's best if we just don't take dmg and avoid the risk.
So both are equal in survivability.
Ayaka main here…
Split your video bruh.. you made a good video.
And WE LOVE OUR BASIC EGG!!!
better not jinx that alhaitham banner you want so badly lmao
😰
I came here cause my almost god level flower for arlecchino hit flat attack twice :(
Flat attack is actually good, especially if it's a support character running a support weapon with low base attack
Especially someone like Lisa with TTDS as hyperbloom proccer, that extra damage from flat atk is very much appreciated
Neither TTDS nor hyperbloom become better with the carrier/trigger gaining atk. And %atk is always way more atk than flat, unless you keep both your character and weapon near lvl 1 just for the sake of going "nuh uh". The stat is exactly as bad as it's made out to be - a waste of a roll. It shouldn't exist, it only does for the sake of padding the arti grind
@@Ayzev Bruh, there's a difference between your skill doing 1k damage vs it doing 2k damage, that adds up over time even if it's not your main source of damage
@@justapasserbyrandomperson9325 You'll get more value out of an em roll with hyperbloom than a %atk roll, let alone flat atk
@@Ayzev No? You literally can't roll EM as a substat on an EM piece...
Hyperbloom runs EM/EM/EM, and the only useful substats you can get on those pieces are ER/crit/atk and flat Atk would be the best stat there, because your crit ratio is definitely trash without a crit circlet, and the best EM weapon (Sac Frag) has low base attack.
@@justapasserbyrandomperson9325 As I already said, flat atk is always less atk than %atk. You can do math this simple yourself. And you can still roll em on the feather and flower, and Lisa needs er as well.
Faq Baizhu this snake having MF, I want my Shenhe
ayaka is basic
ayaka is basic
@@Jacobturtle ayaka is basic
cisabasic akaya
I thought you were going to compare crit to atk.
I really enjoyed the video, but for the first part of the video, wouldn't it have been best to make a graph plotting both flat atk and atk% so you can illustrate exactly where they cross on the graph, which thenceforth would be when atk% is better? I know this is meant to be a quick overview but graphs were quite literally invented to visually present mathematical information in a way that is easier to understand.
True, I'll try to implement that in the future :)
alhaitham rerun when
How bad base atk? Depends on the character, character that has lower than 200 atk base at level 90 definitely profit more from atk flat
I use Gladiator
Wow that’s a lot of math!!
7:40 what score did yanfei have?
6 😵💫
I forgot she's not 100% human 😵💫 thought it was 7 @@raymouse
No its Xangling because Ayaka is not basic she is Rich family member she can buy any she want
Xangling is average money income from cooking on restaurant also this why gouba like xangling she deserved better
So the whole joke ur tryna say is: Ayaka is mid.
Do people actually care about friendship level
balls
Obligatory Ayaka simp comment.
What did we do to receive such slander? I was enjoying the video until then.😢
(Still appreciate your videos as always)
Mistake #1: you pulled for Arlechomo