Hi Drawyah, thanks for the awesome tutorial. There are some things that I learned flying the 787, and your feedback on some of this is appreciated: 1. I find setting the IFR flight plan from the world map is easier to find the active runway for both departure and arrival. So I usually set my arrival pattern and the ILS approach depending on the active runway. Once it's loaded in, the FMC should have all the necessary waypoints to do the approach. But I do understand that in the real world, the ATC would only give you the approach pattern when you're starting the descent and not during departure. So your tutorial to enter them to the FMC is something new that I learned from you. Thanks. 2. I find the VNAV to be inaccurate, and my descent altitude is largely depending on the ATC. Whichever altitude they assign me, that's where I set my altitude hold and V/S mode. 3. When you're about to line up for the localiser, you can push the APP button practically anytime as you begin your approach. So even if you're currently still on LNAV with V/S or ALT mode, LOC and G/S mode will be armed as white text below each of those roll and pitch modes in the PFD. So you don't need to wait until the localiser and glide slope to line up to push the LOC or APP. Pushing the APP button once will arm those modes on stand-by and will automatically activate both LOC and G/S mode whever the aircraft intercepts the localiser and the glideslope. 4. My final approach speed is usually within those zones with the yellow/brown line right above the stall zone. It automatically adjust the airspeed zone depending on the weather and your current payload. So I keep them on those zones, and I'll be in for a smooth landing. 5. Am I the only one who uses the HUD at all times? I find using the HUD is easier on landing because I can zoom in a little to keep and eye on the runway, while having the PFD being mirrored on the HUD so I can look at both the runway and keeping my airspeed in the right zone as I land. 6. When cleared to land, the aircraft will have Rollout mode and Flare mode armed under the LOC and G/S respectively, so I tend to keep my A/P on and let the aircraft flare itself on touchdown. The only thing I turn off is the A/T to keep my airspeed within the yellow/brown zone.
@@nickmajurovski2516 It auto-flares but not consistently.. depending on the airport and the weather conditions. So don't rely on that too much. Especially since the latest patch. Instead do an assisted flare, where you're still on autopilot landing, but you move the stick just a little to assist the aircraft to flare, but not too much that it disengages the AP.
I’ve been trying to land a 787 using autopilot for three days now. I got it all figured out on my own except I couldn’t figure out how to catch the glide slope. Time after time I would be perfectly lined up with localizer A/P taking me right down the runway, only to fly right over it at a constant altitude. I could still land by disengaging A/P but then had a hairy touch and go because I realized I wasn’t slowing down despite max braking. Based on your video it looks like my mistakes were not switching from LOC to APPR and not disengaging autothrottle. I can’t wait to try out what I’ve learned here and see if it works. Thank you!
@@Drawyah Alas, it turns out I _was_ hitting APPR at the appropriate time, however what's happening is the APPR Autopilot is spontaneously switching back to LOC at some point after getting on the glide slope. After this point, any time I hit APPR, it switches itself back to LOC. I would assume this means the approach given to me by ATC has not been fully ingested, rather than due to inappropriate orientation, because my ILS markers on my HUD are all looking perfect. When I get the approach from ATC I click on the corresponding one in the FMC's "DEP APP" menu and then hit the Exec button, which is now glowing green. I don't know if there there any other steps. I assume ILS radios are correctly set after hitting the Exec button.
Hi Drawyah, I watched a couple of your landings. Let me tell you, you are approaching too fast. Even though I don’t know the 787 app speed, next time try to approach at 145. You will notice a huge difference in the aircraft profile. Your airplane nose won’t be in the horizon but a few degrees up and landings will be smoother. Approaching at 170kts is too fast. Hope you try it!
Drawyah Drawyah app speed depends mainly on aircraft weight. It should also be corrected by wind and runway condition. As you usually fly in wind calm condition and dry runway, 145 Kts should be a good speed. I also saw you land an A320 at almost 145, which is fast. Try to land the A320 in between 130/135 kts. Otherwise you will float down the runway. Just given some advice. Hope you try it and let me know!
@@jigonesa El sabe volarlo amigo, no vengas a corregirlo pq incluso lo que decis esta mal. La VREF depende de variables como peso o viento asi que con lo que decis vos, dependiendo el escenario el avion puede entrar en perdida. Si te fijas, tiene viento en cola asi que a los +2/3 nudos que se suman siempre a la VREF tenes que sumarle el doble de tailwind que tengas. Asi que como ves no podes definir a la VREF entre dos velocidades. El sabe volar, no hace falta q lo corrijas para hacerte el capo. saludos
Ok bro. I approach at 153. ILS’ VS is -800 so I would take control at 200 ft and try to pull the stick back so I get -500 or less. But every time just before I touchdown the plane pitches up itself even more and would just glide above the runway. I have to counter this by pushing the stick forward quite a lot. Anyway to fix this?if I don’t do anything and leave it at -800 it would still pitch up.
Basically the autopilot is broken, while it can follow a course the Autothrottle, VNAV, LOC and GS capabilities all seem to be broken and you need to manage the ascent, decent and approach via setting flight angle and manually managing the throttle or use the IAS to do so. Is everyone seeing this
Thanks a lot for the tutorial! It will come in useful when the 787 is maybe more optimized and so is the sim. In the 787, I get 5-10 fps even though my CPU is better than the one on the "recommended spces" and I have the same GPU as on the recommended specs.
I noticed that as well with the 787 and the flight dynamics are all messed up. Rolling down the runway the nose bounces up and down and lifts off at 80 kts.
@@kalidilerious I was lifting the nose of the A320 off the ground down to 60 knots. I think that stuff is getting fixed in the patch due out this week. Winds are getting fixed too!
why more? One GA and one Airliner are enough. I have been studying control systems, including emergency situations, for about a year (from official Boeing documentation) ... I would not like to learn all aircrafts :D
514/5000 Hi Drawyah, Thanks for your tutorials, always a help and advice are welcome! Please keep helping us in this beautiful art of flying. I was wondering if it is possible that you will publish the first part of this video, where we could see the preparation, take off, climb and cruise which is where this video that we are flying now begins. It would be fantastic to be able to get the whole picture of this tutorial. Thank you in advance for your work and teachings. Have a good day and a good flight Oswaldo
I have an issue by pulling up the nose at the end (before landing). I am also stopping the automatic approach and the autopilot 1k feet above ground, but it is like the elevator of the aircraft is only repsonding minimally. I have also paused the game and checked again the hole autopilot system, it was full off. Also the pitching was at 1.4, which is not unnormal. After the hard landing, everything was again normal and the elevator responded perfectly (so I am sure the problem is not my joystick). I also landed again with more speed, it was the same. Does anybody have a solution?
Multiple issues with 787 and practically impossible to land this without certain adjustments, lets hope they come up with some fixes. But well done thx for the tutorial!
Agreed. It really wants to float in the game and you almost have to push it down. Sensitivity of throttle and pitch on approach is super high too. Despite great graphics, I find it really hard to get a sense of speed and height on approach to feel what is happening. Below 100ft or so, it seems like everything looks and feels the same. With Xplane by contrast I feel I have surgical precision in what I'm doing below 100 feet.
Iiari if you get a chance look up ground effect and do some research on it. When you are close to the ground the wings actually cause a change in lift that is more than what you get when you are flying at higher up. This is actually modeled and you get the floating effect if you are not approaching correctly at the right speed. Part of it is change in lift as well as decrease in parasitic drag. The inverse happens on take off and if you are not careful you can actually lift off at incorrect speeds due to ground effect.
Hi.... I followed the exact method you have done, but when trying to set up for approach etc you go to simbrief and see Divam on there which I don't see.... Can you explain where I see the stars to put in the computer
nice video. But i have a problem whit LNAV, the plane follow the fly plan, but the plane does not stabilize on the route and turns from one side to the other, and never stays in a straight position. Plis help
Hi @Drawyah, thank you for the tutorial. I followed the procedure as you did by turning on the "LOC" switch when the pink diamond laterally aligns with the runway, and by arming the approach mode when I see the diamond above the middle (vertically). When the vertical diamond hits the middle, it goes back to the LOC mode and the plane does not descend. I noticed that this happened in your video from London to Dubai. I had my LNAV off, HDG off, and my autopilot on.
This is my problem too! I do everything just as the OP does in this video, but at a different airport (KLAX). Everything seems perfect, on the glide slope, but suddenly and spontaneously APPR switches back to LOC and I fly straight & level right over the runway. I’m certain I’ve hit the Exec button after loading the approach into the FMC given to me by ATC. Still stumped.
It's double what it should be. I can be 100nm from the next waypoint as indicated in the upper-right of the ND, but according to the range it shows 200nm.
Hi Drawjah, Great videos, I was wondering if you cancel flight following or have you edited it out as I found you can not fly the planed altitudes as the ATC gives you completely different FLs.
Where in the display does it tell you if the APU is on? Seems like after I land I can’t get the APU to come on and I can’t hear if it is on because of the noise of the main engines
How do you know when you should start defending? I manage to calculate TOD but I have no idea how to find out how far away you are in NM from the airport, anyone know how you can find this out?
To take evasive maneuvers and defend, best keep an ear open for your alarm to sound when heatseekers have locked on. Use flares too to confuse the armaments sensors and increase its likelihood of a miss. As for airport distance, all shown on your ND and FMS.
Hey Drawyah, great tutorial. I am having an issue when landing the 787. I arm the spoilers and hear them deploy at landing. however once I take a look from outside, the spoilers are not up. Could be that they deploy and retract for some reason or don't deploy at all. Would you happen to know what this issue is? Thnx.
I think there's some real issues with this plane. The auto throttle does not seem to kick in during approach phase when I pressed the APP button which it did before the patch. I thought it was just me but I flew the plane three times since the patch, it won't adjust the throttle to match the speed I set. I had to manually adjust the throttle myself during approach. However it works during cruising and descending. Oh, the approach button does capture the ILS and guides the plane down with auto throttle control pre-patch. Post patch manual throttle control needed.
I did an approach with autothrottle and it worked fine. The APPR button only tells the flight director to fly the localizer and look for the glide slope. The autopilot follows the flight director. To get autothrottle you have to select the L and R autothrottle switches and set the IAS speed. I believe there is an Autothrottle button or switch below the LR autthrottle arm switch. You'll hit 3 switches to make it work. A/T Arm switches (two white toggles), A/T pushbutton (down and to the left of the speed adjust knob), and dial your speed you want to hold. Hope that helps.
There's a button above the monitor, WXR is for weather mode, then TERR for the terrain mode. Just push on the TERR and you should be able to change it.
why is my 787-10 elevator not working on manual landing it works on take off but when under landing i can mow it down but up NO WAY WHY???? IS IT A BUG OR AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG
Hi Drawyah, i'm having issues with the "legs" function. When i choose a rw at approach, normally with the 747 you could go to the legs page and choose the waypoint you want to fly to. The 787 does that too, only when you reach the waypoint, the whole route resets. Is that a bug? And is there a way to solve that, for example to plot a new course to the rw you want? Regards, jan.
The flight plan resetting is not an issue I've yet come across. Try deleting the aircraft in the Content Manager and redownloading it, see if that resets the issue.
@@Drawyah with resetting, i mean the airplane will turn around and wants to fly back to the first waypoint in the flightplan. But i'll try reinstalling the airplane.
i wonder, why is my interface on the display screens totally different? e.g. when i click DEP ARR, like on 2:30, all i got is ACT FLPN written right under the DEP/ARR INDEX, the rest is black and i cant click anything
well I never, Vnav and autothrottle now work great for me,I dont know if they have patched it but it only works one way for me, that is If I ues the flight planner big problems, but I use sim Brief then export it to the simand it works perfectly. After about 3 or 4 flights it goes haywire ,soa reboot fixes it. I now use simbrief or Navigrapht to build my flight plan. Ihope this helps.
@@AUSTIN12345631 so you save it from those programs and load it at the world map screen? I'm upset about the 787 issues since we paid extra for it. If a/t or vnav worked, I would be a lot happier to fly this plane. Thanks for the info!
I agree. I did an approach in the longitude and all altitudes were listed on the approach. I did everything the way we do it in jets in real life and it did not work at all.
There is a fix for the 787 to improve its FPS. forums.flightsimulator.com/t/small-js-config-file-mod-to-gain-10-15-fps-in-airliners-and-glass-cockpit-planes/221308
No. VNAV is for flying programmed altitudes that are set in the FMS. If doing an approach with multiple step downs, you could set the glide slope intercept altitude, press VNAV and the FMS/FMC will fly to those altitudes and cross every fix at the given altitude. It is like magic and works wonderfully in real life, but not at all in FS2020. APPR does the altitude control on an ILS approach. LOC mode will fly just the localizer. APPR will fly the LOC until the GS captures then it will follow the GS down to decision height (actually until it smashes into the runway). I hope that helps.
Hey Drawyah, I'm wondering do you have the issue of the elevation trim of the 787. I fully disconnect the ap but the trim is still changing itself. Make it so hard to land
Drawyah Yeah I’m 100% sure, The 748 doesn’t have this issue. when I watch your video I notice that everytime when you try to land the 787, you always need to “nose down” the 787 in order to descend in final approach. I’m having the same issue since the evevation trim has its own mind.
@@Drawyah frequency is automatic after you enter the arrival runway, as the pink diamond comes to the center and you click the APP it disconnects, sometimes after re-clicking it it may stay connect. I have no problem with the LOC button.
@@AUSTIN12345631 That was a bug but it is now fixed after the update yesterday. Before the current update, the GS would arm then capture (green GS) then go to VS then ALT hold and never follow the glide slope. It's fixed now.
Something is really strange with my game. I have to land the 787 at like 130knots, or I would need to nose dive it + as i am taking off, seems like 130knots is totally enough and the nose will push itself up🤣. I dont think the 787 is supposed to takeoff and land that slow, or?
@@Drawyah They work like an NDB (AM radio waves on set frequencies). There are anywhere from 1-3 marker beacons on an ILS(O, M, I). No frequency tuning required to receive marker beacons. You can hear them if you fly over one without a localizer frequency tuned. Hope that helps.
I was looking for a way to speed up the clock but cant find one that works. And the 787 is constantly missing approaches as the Neo works like a charm... will watch the tutorial again to see what I am doing wrong
If you’re descending from say 30,000 down to 10,000 you need to lose 20,000 feet. If you descend at 2000 fpm that will take you 10 minutes. So you can either descend 10 minutes prior to your eta at the point where you want to be at 10,000 or if you want a distance, divide 10 minutes by 60 (0.17) and then multiply that by your speed (say 250 knots) which would then give you 42 nm in this example.
Knowing your 3x table is the secret. Generally multiply the height you need to lose by 3 and that will give you your rough* top of descent point for an idle power descent. You would then need to add between 5-10 miles on to that for slowing down, but that’s obviously dependent on your starting speed. So, from a 40,000ft cruising level and typical 787 cruise speed of M.85 you’d need to start descending approximately 130nm before the airfield. If you had a very strong tailwind then you’d need a bit further, with a strong headwind a bit less. You would transition normally to anything between 270-310kts, slowing to 250kts or less at 10,000ft then (without any ATC intervention - which never happens) slow down from clean speed from about 12 miles out. Often ATC would slow you down earlier than that though. *I say rough, because it depends on aircraft weight, winds, speeds etc. FWIW in the real world you would descend primarily using VNAV and /or FLCH. V/S tends to be used for finesse, for small level changes and in the approach phase. When you’re using V/S for a non precision approach, or for a continuous descent to intercept a localiser (before arming APP mode for example), a good rule of thumb is approximately half your ground speed to maintain a 3 degree rate of descent e.g Groundspeed = 220kts your rate of descent would need to be 1100fpm to maintain 3 degrees. Groundspeed = 190kts then ROD = roughly 950fpm.
Train Sim Cab Rides - 4K 60fps That’s an interesting method, haven’t heard of that one before but guessing it only works for airliners? I pretty much always do my descents based on time in the real world since you can ignore the effects of tailwinds or headwinds. I only ever use distance when calculating TOPD for an instrument approach. Also think you got the last part a bit mixed up. It’s 5 times your ground speed gives the ROD for a 3 degree glide path.
qwerty Hey. Those are real world techniques/methodologies etc. It’s 16 years since I last flew a light aircraft so honestly can’t remember what technique we used. I’ve been flying the 787 for over 5 years now (and the 737 for 11 before that) and that’s a simple explanation of how it’s done. For the ROD, halving your groundspeed is the technique most people use, certainly the way I’ve always done it. Dividing something by 2 is a lot quicker mental arithmetic than multiplying by 5 when you’re doing over 300 miles an hour!
Hi Drawyah, thanks for the awesome tutorial. There are some things that I learned flying the 787, and your feedback on some of this is appreciated:
1. I find setting the IFR flight plan from the world map is easier to find the active runway for both departure and arrival. So I usually set my arrival pattern and the ILS approach depending on the active runway. Once it's loaded in, the FMC should have all the necessary waypoints to do the approach. But I do understand that in the real world, the ATC would only give you the approach pattern when you're starting the descent and not during departure. So your tutorial to enter them to the FMC is something new that I learned from you. Thanks.
2. I find the VNAV to be inaccurate, and my descent altitude is largely depending on the ATC. Whichever altitude they assign me, that's where I set my altitude hold and V/S mode.
3. When you're about to line up for the localiser, you can push the APP button practically anytime as you begin your approach. So even if you're currently still on LNAV with V/S or ALT mode, LOC and G/S mode will be armed as white text below each of those roll and pitch modes in the PFD. So you don't need to wait until the localiser and glide slope to line up to push the LOC or APP. Pushing the APP button once will arm those modes on stand-by and will automatically activate both LOC and G/S mode whever the aircraft intercepts the localiser and the glideslope.
4. My final approach speed is usually within those zones with the yellow/brown line right above the stall zone. It automatically adjust the airspeed zone depending on the weather and your current payload. So I keep them on those zones, and I'll be in for a smooth landing.
5. Am I the only one who uses the HUD at all times? I find using the HUD is easier on landing because I can zoom in a little to keep and eye on the runway, while having the PFD being mirrored on the HUD so I can look at both the runway and keeping my airspeed in the right zone as I land.
6. When cleared to land, the aircraft will have Rollout mode and Flare mode armed under the LOC and G/S respectively, so I tend to keep my A/P on and let the aircraft flare itself on touchdown. The only thing I turn off is the A/T to keep my airspeed within the yellow/brown zone.
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I am so glad you mentioned the plane auto flares. I struggle with that bad. Gunna try this aircraft tonight.
@@nickmajurovski2516 It auto-flares but not consistently.. depending on the airport and the weather conditions. So don't rely on that too much. Especially since the latest patch.
Instead do an assisted flare, where you're still on autopilot landing, but you move the stick just a little to assist the aircraft to flare, but not too much that it disengages the AP.
Thanks for the great video. Thanks to you my first airliner landing in 7 years was very smooth and a success! Thanks also to several commenters.
Thrilled to hear that it all worked out for you!
I’ve been trying to land a 787 using autopilot for three days now. I got it all figured out on my own except I couldn’t figure out how to catch the glide slope. Time after time I would be perfectly lined up with localizer A/P taking me right down the runway, only to fly right over it at a constant altitude. I could still land by disengaging A/P but then had a hairy touch and go because I realized I wasn’t slowing down despite max braking. Based on your video it looks like my mistakes were not switching from LOC to APPR and not disengaging autothrottle. I can’t wait to try out what I’ve learned here and see if it works. Thank you!
Localiser only guides you into the runway. Approach is what flies you down the glideslope. Localiser will not affect your altitude.
@@Drawyah Alas, it turns out I _was_ hitting APPR at the appropriate time, however what's happening is the APPR Autopilot is spontaneously switching back to LOC at some point after getting on the glide slope. After this point, any time I hit APPR, it switches itself back to LOC. I would assume this means the approach given to me by ATC has not been fully ingested, rather than due to inappropriate orientation, because my ILS markers on my HUD are all looking perfect. When I get the approach from ATC I click on the corresponding one in the FMC's "DEP APP" menu and then hit the Exec button, which is now glowing green. I don't know if there there any other steps. I assume ILS radios are correctly set after hitting the Exec button.
Are you at the appropriate altitude to intercept the glide slope? You have to pass through the vertical diamond on the glide slope for it to activate.
Bout to fly on an 787 in real life thought this would be a great video to learn while flying
Thanks! brilliant tutorial, I have tried several landings with this plane using my previous knowledge of other FS and I failed, your procedure works!
Thrilled to hear that this works for you, happy virtual flying! 🙌
Hi Drawyah,
I watched a couple of your landings. Let me tell you, you are approaching too fast. Even though I don’t know the 787 app speed, next time try to approach at 145. You will notice a huge difference in the aircraft profile. Your airplane nose won’t be in the horizon but a few degrees up and landings will be smoother. Approaching at 170kts is too fast.
Hope you try it!
Out of all the aircraft the 787 for me is prolly my worst for landing. Eventually I'll get the hang of it.
Drawyah Drawyah app speed depends mainly on aircraft weight. It should also be corrected by wind and runway condition. As you usually fly in wind calm condition and dry runway, 145 Kts should be a good speed. I also saw you land an A320 at almost 145, which is fast. Try to land the A320 in between 130/135 kts. Otherwise you will float down the runway.
Just given some advice. Hope you try it and let me know!
@@jigonesa El sabe volarlo amigo, no vengas a corregirlo pq incluso lo que decis esta mal. La VREF depende de variables como peso o viento asi que con lo que decis vos, dependiendo el escenario el avion puede entrar en perdida. Si te fijas, tiene viento en cola asi que a los +2/3 nudos que se suman siempre a la VREF tenes que sumarle el doble de tailwind que tengas. Asi que como ves no podes definir a la VREF entre dos velocidades. El sabe volar, no hace falta q lo corrijas para hacerte el capo. saludos
Ok bro. I approach at 153. ILS’ VS is -800 so I would take control at 200 ft and try to pull the stick back so I get -500 or less. But every time just before I touchdown the plane pitches up itself even more and would just glide above the runway. I have to counter this by pushing the stick forward quite a lot. Anyway to fix this?if I don’t do anything and leave it at -800 it would still pitch up.
@@agustinlaurito9656 Oui mais seulement entre midi et 3. salut
very good video i just watch it and i understood everything thank you
I'm glad you found the video helpful! ✈️
Excellent videos. You have really helped make my introduction into flight sims be a fun and productive one. Infinite thanks to you!
Glad these helped, many happy virtual flights your way! 🙌
Great tutorial, I'm just getting into MSFS2020 and this was very helpful, the Dreamliner is fantastic!!
Gorgeous flight deck.
I do love it!
Even tho i already know most of this planet i still watxh this because i learn new stuff everytime inwatxh this, thans man!
Ah the good old days when the 787 could pitch before landing
Yepp. That was a fun week.
Good...it's not just me 😬
Is this issue still appearing?
@@TheTechnoFever no but is still pure garbage
I watched this while 300nm out from Iceland on my way over from JFK. Thanks for the tutorial!
Basically the autopilot is broken, while it can follow a course the Autothrottle, VNAV, LOC and GS capabilities all seem to be broken and you need to manage the ascent, decent and approach via setting flight angle and manually managing the throttle or use the IAS to do so. Is everyone seeing this
Thank you my man. Has improved my landing ten fold in this.
Thanx again Drawyah, I couldn't find the loc and apr buttons! The Captain sure needs long arms when flying alone😅
ha well to be fair the captain should never be alone! But yeah they are far
Thanks a lot for the tutorial! It will come in useful when the 787 is maybe more optimized and so is the sim. In the 787, I get 5-10 fps even though my CPU is better than the one on the "recommended spces" and I have the same GPU as on the recommended specs.
I noticed that as well with the 787 and the flight dynamics are all messed up. Rolling down the runway the nose bounces up and down and lifts off at 80 kts.
@@kalidilerious Same, it even lifts off by itself at very low speeds when I am trying to keep it down.
@@kalidilerious I was lifting the nose of the A320 off the ground down to 60 knots. I think that stuff is getting fixed in the patch due out this week. Winds are getting fixed too!
Can’t wait for them to add way more planes
why more? One GA and one Airliner are enough. I have been studying control systems, including emergency situations, for about a year (from official Boeing documentation) ... I would not like to learn all aircrafts :D
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Hi Drawyah,
Thanks for your tutorials, always a help and advice are welcome! Please keep helping us in this beautiful art of flying.
I was wondering if it is possible that you will publish the first part of this video, where we could see the preparation, take off, climb and cruise which is where this video that we are flying now begins. It would be fantastic to be able to get the whole picture of this tutorial. Thank you in advance for your work and teachings. Have a good day and a good flight
Oswaldo
Thank you for this, great tutorial. Much appreciated.
I'm glad that you found it helpful!
Be careful when reducing airspeed at high altitude. The flight envelope is very narrow in the thin air.
Which is the reason why I crashed into Indonesia on my Malaysia > Singapore flight.
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Thankyou for the tutorial and showing my house!
i love the dream liner
Thank you for easy to understand tutorial
Fantastic tutorial. Thanks for the content Drawyah!
Why are you don't take the noise up when you land?The Landing was very hard
If you look at the vertical speed indicator you would see it wasn’t a hard landing at all. It was fast, though.
Yea it was a very smooth landing straight onto the nose gear but yea he had no flare at all he landed with like a -1 pitch angle
Brilliant, just what I needed. Thank you.
Awesome tutorial, I noticed you don’t use or appear to arm the Speedbrake, is this not common practice?
It is
Good video, thanks!
Man I hadn’t really noticed how long the 787-10 is, that’s freaky
Excellent video. Thank you sir.
Glad you found it helpful!
Thanks for this drawyah
lovely plane
I have an issue by pulling up the nose at the end (before landing). I am also stopping the automatic approach and the autopilot 1k feet above ground, but it is like the elevator of the aircraft is only repsonding minimally. I have also paused the game and checked again the hole autopilot system, it was full off. Also the pitching was at 1.4, which is not unnormal. After the hard landing, everything was again normal and the elevator responded perfectly (so I am sure the problem is not my joystick). I also landed again with more speed, it was the same. Does anybody have a solution?
Same problem. When I'm approaching the runway, the plane won't pitch the nose at all. Tested it with A320 and 747-8 and it works just fine.
Great tutorial, very well explained. Thnx.
Multiple issues with 787 and practically impossible to land this without certain adjustments, lets hope they come up with some fixes. But well done thx for the tutorial!
Agreed. It really wants to float in the game and you almost have to push it down. Sensitivity of throttle and pitch on approach is super high too. Despite great graphics, I find it really hard to get a sense of speed and height on approach to feel what is happening. Below 100ft or so, it seems like everything looks and feels the same. With Xplane by contrast I feel I have surgical precision in what I'm doing below 100 feet.
Iiari Cant agree more!
Iiari if you get a chance look up ground effect and do some research on it. When you are close to the ground the wings actually cause a change in lift that is more than what you get when you are flying at higher up. This is actually modeled and you get the floating effect if you are not approaching correctly at the right speed. Part of it is change in lift as well as decrease in parasitic drag. The inverse happens on take off and if you are not careful you can actually lift off at incorrect speeds due to ground effect.
My Inav's not working. I swing back and forth all the time. Does anyone else have these problems ?
Nice landing.
This video is quite old so I don't expect an answer, but how do I make the REF show up when I spawn in on approach? great video btw
Ensure that the ILS frequency is set and your approach is configured. Spawning on approach doesn't do this automatically.
My exec button doesn't work :( It stays green and my path remains unchanged.
thanks again Drawyah! Great tutorial and just completed a full flight EGLL to EHAM for practice ... all went well .. cheers!
Fantastic! Glad it went well. Happy virtual flying!
Can you show me how to fly direct to a waypoint if you instructed to do so by a controller....
Hi.... I followed the exact method you have done, but when trying to set up for approach etc you go to simbrief and see Divam on there which I don't see.... Can you explain where I see the stars to put in the computer
nice video. But i have a problem whit LNAV, the plane follow the fly plan, but the plane does not stabilize on the route and turns from one side to the other, and never stays in a straight position. Plis help
Hi @Drawyah, thank you for the tutorial. I followed the procedure as you did by turning on the "LOC" switch when the pink diamond laterally aligns with the runway, and by arming the approach mode when I see the diamond above the middle (vertically). When the vertical diamond hits the middle, it goes back to the LOC mode and the plane does not descend. I noticed that this happened in your video from London to Dubai. I had my LNAV off, HDG off, and my autopilot on.
Very odd. Check out my two 787 videos to Dubai, see if I did anything different in that descent which you may find helpful!
This is my problem too! I do everything just as the OP does in this video, but at a different airport (KLAX). Everything seems perfect, on the glide slope, but suddenly and spontaneously APPR switches back to LOC and I fly straight & level right over the runway. I’m certain I’ve hit the Exec button after loading the approach into the FMC given to me by ATC. Still stumped.
1:23, The Bug is fixed now.
So if you want to know the approach alt (the attitude which catches the glideslope) you would need to look at the last legs page waypoint alt?
Correct to an extent, it will get you to an intercept point. Charts will tell you a definite altitude.
@@Drawyah wdym so the alt isn’t correct/accurate? Will it catch the glideslope?
It will 100% catch the glideslope. It's not inaccurate, just charts are more precise.
@@Drawyah so what are charts good for? When you mean precise
Charts are used for navigational aid, showing you on a map your required routing and altitude constraints.
Helsinki
Nice job 👍
I believe the range indication is in fact correct. At least it's exactly the same in the Magknight 787.
It's double what it should be. I can be 100nm from the next waypoint as indicated in the upper-right of the ND, but according to the range it shows 200nm.
Amazing video Drawyah! Do you think the flight model and aerodynamics of the simulator will ever be updated?
Do you know how to edit a waypoint in the route? If I want to skip one and go direct to the next one?
How do you know the barometic pressure, like where do you look?
Look for METAR data for example off AllMetSat.
@@Drawyah Thanks so much!!
Hi Drawjah,
Great videos, I was wondering if you cancel flight following or have you edited it out as I found you can not fly the planed altitudes as the ATC gives you completely different FLs.
I disabled default ATC long ago. I fly on IVAO which is far more realistic.
Great vid, but sometimes you mumble and talk really fast😂but good job, perfect vid
Where in the display does it tell you if the APU is on? Seems like after I land I can’t get the APU to come on and I can’t hear if it is on because of the noise of the main engines
The above panel has the apu switch
How do you know when you should start defending? I manage to calculate TOD but I have no idea how to find out how far away you are in NM from the airport, anyone know how you can find this out?
To take evasive maneuvers and defend, best keep an ear open for your alarm to sound when heatseekers have locked on. Use flares too to confuse the armaments sensors and increase its likelihood of a miss. As for airport distance, all shown on your ND and FMS.
@@Drawyah haha, thank you 🤣
Hi Drawyah, how can i fly without Headings, like straight the autopilot? I cant deactivate the Headings
I dont understand doesn’t vnav make the airplane descend for itself?
Not yet, MSFS does not have that simulated.
can you make ILS approache without STAR, just with ILS frequency. I tried to do it and looks like its not possible.
You can! So long you intercept the glideslope and localiser, you can essentially just fly straight in without the need for a STAR.
@@Drawyah how to do IT?
Hey Drawyah, great tutorial. I am having an issue when landing the 787. I arm the spoilers and hear them deploy at landing. however once I take a look from outside, the spoilers are not up. Could be that they deploy and retract for some reason or don't deploy at all. Would you happen to know what this issue is? Thnx.
Great video.
Good stuff!
How do you find your ETA to your destination in the 787?
hi, are you able to performa DCT? I mean a direct to one point of FP or gave from ATC out of FP?
I have this problem with the AP where it cant follow the flight path with lnav engaged, do you happen to know of any solution?
One of my Problems with the 787 is Getting the nose up quickely enough before Touchdown.
Great tutorial, proved very helpful and informative.
I think there's some real issues with this plane. The auto throttle does not seem to kick in during approach phase when I pressed the APP button which it did before the patch. I thought it was just me but I flew the plane three times since the patch, it won't adjust the throttle to match the speed I set. I had to manually adjust the throttle myself during approach. However it works during cruising and descending. Oh, the approach button does capture the ILS and guides the plane down with auto throttle control pre-patch. Post patch manual throttle control needed.
In the 787 you're supposed to manually control throttle on approach and touchdown.
I did an approach with autothrottle and it worked fine. The APPR button only tells the flight director to fly the localizer and look for the glide slope. The autopilot follows the flight director. To get autothrottle you have to select the L and R autothrottle switches and set the IAS speed. I believe there is an Autothrottle button or switch below the LR autthrottle arm switch. You'll hit 3 switches to make it work. A/T Arm switches (two white toggles), A/T pushbutton (down and to the left of the speed adjust knob), and dial your speed you want to hold. Hope that helps.
I’m having a lot of trouble with programming the MCDU but I noticed you have weather radar on you MFD. zHow did you get that?
Press the WX button on the glareshield.
OK.....thanks for your prompt reply.
anybody know why the speed intervention button is unavailable to me during my flight?
How do you have the flight monitor show the terrain? it looks like it is "scanning". no matter what i do in my 787 i cant turn it on
There's a button above the monitor, WXR is for weather mode, then TERR for the terrain mode. Just push on the TERR and you should be able to change it.
why is my 787-10 elevator not working on manual landing it works on take off but when under landing i can mow it down but up NO WAY WHY???? IS IT A BUG OR AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG
Not 100% sure I'm afraid, the 787 seems to work fine for me.
Hi Drawyah, i'm having issues with the "legs" function. When i choose a rw at approach, normally with the 747 you could go to the legs page and choose the waypoint you want to fly to. The 787 does that too, only when you reach the waypoint, the whole route resets. Is that a bug? And is there a way to solve that, for example to plot a new course to the rw you want? Regards, jan.
The flight plan resetting is not an issue I've yet come across. Try deleting the aircraft in the Content Manager and redownloading it, see if that resets the issue.
@@Drawyah with resetting, i mean the airplane will turn around and wants to fly back to the first waypoint in the flightplan. But i'll try reinstalling the airplane.
When I turn the autopilot off, I still can’t control the throttle and I can’t cut it off which results very hard landings.
Autopilot and autothrottle are two separate systems. Make sure you turn the right one off.
@@Drawyah Because, when you land the light on the A/T is on so does that mean the autothrottle is on or am I making a mistake somewhere?
If the light is on, it means Autothrottle is active. Turn it off.
i wonder, why is my interface on the display screens totally different? e.g. when i click DEP ARR, like on 2:30, all i got is ACT FLPN written right under the DEP/ARR INDEX, the rest is black and i cant click anything
Check you've selected the right option. Sounds like you're clicking FPLAN to show the Active Flightplan screen.
be great when Vnav works
well I never, Vnav and autothrottle now work great for me,I dont know if they have patched it but it only works one way for me, that is If I ues the flight planner big problems, but I use sim Brief then export it to the simand it works perfectly. After about 3 or 4 flights it goes haywire ,soa reboot fixes it. I now use simbrief or Navigrapht to build my flight plan. Ihope this helps.
@@AUSTIN12345631 so you save it from those programs and load it at the world map screen? I'm upset about the 787 issues since we paid extra for it. If a/t or vnav worked, I would be a lot happier to fly this plane. Thanks for the info!
I agree. I did an approach in the longitude and all altitudes were listed on the approach. I did everything the way we do it in jets in real life and it did not work at all.
im guessing this means the 787 is better optimised now ? and actually flyable
There is a fix for the 787 to improve its FPS.
forums.flightsimulator.com/t/small-js-config-file-mod-to-gain-10-15-fps-in-airliners-and-glass-cockpit-planes/221308
Drawyah thank You I’ll check it out now
VNAV is for automatic altitude change during ILS approach?
No. VNAV is for flying programmed altitudes that are set in the FMS. If doing an approach with multiple step downs, you could set the glide slope intercept altitude, press VNAV and the FMS/FMC will fly to those altitudes and cross every fix at the given altitude. It is like magic and works wonderfully in real life, but not at all in FS2020. APPR does the altitude control on an ILS approach. LOC mode will fly just the localizer. APPR will fly the LOC until the GS captures then it will follow the GS down to decision height (actually until it smashes into the runway). I hope that helps.
Can you make a video with bombardier
I have done a series of tutorials for the CRJ on MSFS.
@@Drawyah link plz
Hey Drawyah, I'm wondering do you have the issue of the elevation trim of the 787. I fully disconnect the ap but the trim is still changing itself. Make it so hard to land
I've not noted that myself. Sure you have fully turned off Autopilot?
Drawyah Yeah I’m 100% sure, The 748 doesn’t have this issue. when I watch your video I notice that everytime when you try to land the 787, you always need to “nose down” the 787 in order to descend in final approach. I’m having the same issue since the evevation trim has its own mind.
Drawyah I did some research, the autotrim of the 787 is a separate system from the autopilot. It can not be turned off in msfs2020 currently.
is the nd range fixed now?
Yes I believe it has been.
driving me crazy, on final approach APP will not connect, Yes it is an ILS runway, is it todo with speed.
Check your frequency and if you have established a connection.
@@Drawyah frequency is automatic after you enter the arrival runway, as the pink diamond comes to the center and you click the APP it disconnects, sometimes after re-clicking it it may stay connect. I have no problem with the LOC button.
@@AUSTIN12345631 That was a bug but it is now fixed after the update yesterday. Before the current update, the GS would arm then capture (green GS) then go to VS then ALT hold and never follow the glide slope. It's fixed now.
so i can disable the visor?
Disable it in what way?
@@Drawyah ummm I mean close the visor?
How do you add the simulation speed rate to the screen?
With post-production editing.
I cant turn the 787 as good as you on the ground. I am turning fully to the left or right and it isnt really turning
You need to be really slow, below 12 Knots
Hans Gurke Dankeschön 👍🏽
@@juliusott Bitte
Try using differential brakes as well
Something is really strange with my game. I have to land the 787 at like 130knots, or I would need to nose dive it + as i am taking off, seems like 130knots is totally enough and the nose will push itself up🤣. I dont think the 787 is supposed to takeoff and land that slow, or?
Hi Drawyah, how did you switched on ILS markers?
They come on automatically once connected to the Localiser.
@@Drawyah thanks
@@Drawyah They work like an NDB (AM radio waves on set frequencies). There are anywhere from 1-3 marker beacons on an ILS(O, M, I). No frequency tuning required to receive marker beacons. You can hear them if you fly over one without a localizer frequency tuned. Hope that helps.
Hope you noticed me again
How do you do 4x in ma2020
This was edited in the video.
How to get Ils info
ILS information you can find on charts.
Hey Drawyah. Beautiful video with a beautiful aircraft.
I have a i5-2400 1050ti 4gb. 16gb ram
How do you think this sim will run with these specs
WHY NO VNAV?????? TOP OF DECENT?????
My 787 won't establish itself on the localizer
Check your ILS frequencies, all works for me!
I can't my sim rate to go pass 1x (no 2x-4x) can you help
The sim doesn't allow for speedup. In this case I've edited out the descent as in this stage nothing is happening.
@@Drawyah Thanks, it was driving me crazy, controls show r as sim rate speed...
do ctrl and r then use your + and - keys
how did you increase the speed by 4x?
Editing the video I sped up the quiet bits where nothing happened.
I was looking for a way to speed up the clock but cant find one that works. And the 787 is constantly missing approaches as the Neo works like a charm... will watch the tutorial again to see what I am doing wrong
Great video! Just a quick question, how do you calculate your descent profile manually, like you had for 2000fpm and 250 kts?
If you’re descending from say 30,000 down to 10,000 you need to lose 20,000 feet. If you descend at 2000 fpm that will take you 10 minutes. So you can either descend 10 minutes prior to your eta at the point where you want to be at 10,000 or if you want a distance, divide 10 minutes by 60 (0.17) and then multiply that by your speed (say 250 knots) which would then give you 42 nm in this example.
Knowing your 3x table is the secret. Generally multiply the height you need to lose by 3 and that will give you your rough* top of descent point for an idle power descent. You would then need to add between 5-10 miles on to that for slowing down, but that’s obviously dependent on your starting speed. So, from a 40,000ft cruising level and typical 787 cruise speed of M.85 you’d need to start descending approximately 130nm before the airfield. If you had a very strong tailwind then you’d need a bit further, with a strong headwind a bit less. You would transition normally to anything between 270-310kts, slowing to 250kts or less at 10,000ft then (without any ATC intervention - which never happens) slow down from clean speed from about 12 miles out. Often ATC would slow you down earlier than that though.
*I say rough, because it depends on aircraft weight, winds, speeds etc.
FWIW in the real world you would descend primarily using VNAV and /or FLCH. V/S tends to be used for finesse, for small level changes and in the approach phase. When you’re using V/S for a non precision approach, or for a continuous descent to intercept a localiser (before arming APP mode for example), a good rule of thumb is approximately half your ground speed to maintain a 3 degree rate of descent e.g Groundspeed = 220kts your rate of descent would need to be 1100fpm to maintain 3 degrees. Groundspeed = 190kts then ROD = roughly 950fpm.
Train Sim Cab Rides - 4K 60fps That’s an interesting method, haven’t heard of that one before but guessing it only works for airliners? I pretty much always do my descents based on time in the real world since you can ignore the effects of tailwinds or headwinds. I only ever use distance when calculating TOPD for an instrument approach.
Also think you got the last part a bit mixed up. It’s 5 times your ground speed gives the ROD for a 3 degree glide path.
qwerty Hey. Those are real world techniques/methodologies etc. It’s 16 years since I last flew a light aircraft so honestly can’t remember what technique we used. I’ve been flying the 787 for over 5 years now (and the 737 for 11 before that) and that’s a simple explanation of how it’s done. For the ROD, halving your groundspeed is the technique most people use, certainly the way I’ve always done it. Dividing something by 2 is a lot quicker mental arithmetic than multiplying by 5 when you’re doing over 300 miles an hour!
In all your tutorials you never use ATC or wait for ATC instructions. I don't understand why.
Few serious simmers use built in ATC. They either ignore it or use real life VATSIM like products.
@@GarrisIiari which one is he using?
ILS?
Instrument Landing System, using the glideslope and localiser to guide your aircraft in to land.
Runaway seems to be having very uneven surface
As they are in real life. No such thing as a flat runway.