They also slow down when under fire, even if their HP is high. And also when driving up slopes, especially if the vehicle does not have tracks. All 4 of these effects stack too haha Driving up a slope on low HP on rough terrain under fire = 🐢
I remember I blaster that Tesla coil with elite gi during allied campaign where you have to destroy the nuke silo with Tanya. Elite Deployed GI outranges Tesla coil.
From lore perspective the reason why units attack so efficiently from a structure is because they have better positions, are covered from fire so they can focus/aim/fire (very true in the case of the initiates) However, best way I can think of to make the initiates less broken would be to make them the most expensive basic trooper as well as making their range the shortest, both out and in garrison and their health the lowest, absolute glass cannons, powerful but fragile.
Had Westwood got more time to balance the game yuri initiates would not be this broken. Not even a little. Of course today the community patch would’ve addressed this issue proper already but tournaments and whatnot would not accept these community patches for some reason. To me initiate is ok as-is, just need to get garrison broken dmg fixed.
Initiates are fine actually! (They're actually the worst basic infantry competitively.) They already have the lowest range in basic attack. It's just that, they have a couple of busted things: A.) They deal Fire damage, compared to Small-Arms that the GI and Conscript have which has far more things resistant to it. B.) Their garrisonweapon is busted. Supposedly, garrisoned units gain like a 25% damage boost to their weapon. What happened with the Initiate's garrisonweapon is that they just copypasta'd the code from their regular weapon and increased the damage by 25%. This means, they're damage values skyrocketed when garrison bonuses apply!
@@ew3612 Gatling tank not really though? Lasher I also heard a bit more manoeuvrable compared to grizzly. Yuri is still a very much busted faction overall.
Most of the time, the elite version of weapons have a buff on damage aside from the damage multiplier buff from getting promoted. Attack speed increases too on the base elite weapon so the DPS is actually higher.
That's true for sure I think Yuri was balanced around being a single player boss fight and multiplayer balance was an after thought Give CnC Reloaded a try, they are more balanced, and you can play Nod vs Yuri haha
Yuri infantry are really built different 😅 And they can clone them! And the game devs troll the Soviets by them being the one faction that can build garrison able structures 🤣
You should show this same test with equal cost Because Conscripts are half the price but the other two are $200 But if you include the cloning vat ☠ But you would need to produce more than 25 Initiates to pay it off
Самая непонятная логика в РАмю Солдат Юрия > Призывник > Солдат Призывник > Солдата 1 на 1 Солдат > Призывника если Солдат будет развернут как пулемет По сути в здании должен быть эффективнее Призывник из-за урона,но в итоге все наоборот.
@@project_arianightcore7280 I believe they do use their deployed weapons inside the battle fortress, which is why a battle fortress filled with GIs is so devastating, might be misremembering though.
I love how vehicles in C&C series slow down in low HP. Stellar attention to details I'd say
And on driving over ore.
Also in Dune 2
This is the first time I noticed that the game has this slowdown mechanism after all these years regular plays.😅
They also slow down when under fire, even if their HP is high.
And also when driving up slopes, especially if the vehicle does not have tracks.
All 4 of these effects stack too haha
Driving up a slope on low HP on rough terrain under fire = 🐢
Initiates are crazy OP when they have been garrisoned xD
balance breaker after garrisoned
Yuri taught them well!!!
But they can only attack 1 unit at a time
@@louieosumo so can every other garrison?
Приспешники Юрия в бункерах ещё более смертоноснее, особенно когда бункеров несколько. Гарнизон может легко уничтожить орду танков.
What a weird neighbourhood.
At least they get good views, parking must be terrible thou
Global warming...
I Cast a Deadly Shadow...
Drives into Deadly Shadow...
I believe deployed elite GI are more powerful than garrisoned one, they can even outrange tesla coils.
You may have a point. Which would be deadlier, 10 GIs in a building, or 10 GIs Machine Gunning?
They outrange sentry guns but not tesla coils
I remember I blaster that Tesla coil with elite gi during allied campaign where you have to destroy the nuke silo with Tanya. Elite Deployed GI outranges Tesla coil.
@@warsword4 they outrange tesla coils too, but just barely
@@RappyGrinder Maybe there was an elevation difference?
From lore perspective the reason why units attack so efficiently from a structure is because they have better positions, are covered from fire so they can focus/aim/fire (very true in the case of the initiates)
However, best way I can think of to make the initiates less broken would be to make them the most expensive basic trooper as well as making their range the shortest, both out and in garrison and their health the lowest, absolute glass cannons, powerful but fragile.
Had Westwood got more time to balance the game yuri initiates would not be this broken. Not even a little.
Of course today the community patch would’ve addressed this issue proper already but tournaments and whatnot would not accept these community patches for some reason.
To me initiate is ok as-is, just need to get garrison broken dmg fixed.
Initiates are fine actually!
(They're actually the worst basic infantry competitively.)
They already have the lowest range in basic attack.
It's just that, they have a couple of busted things:
A.) They deal Fire damage, compared to Small-Arms that the GI and Conscript have which has far more things resistant to it.
B.) Their garrisonweapon is busted. Supposedly, garrisoned units gain like a 25% damage boost to their weapon. What happened with the Initiate's garrisonweapon is that they just copypasta'd the code from their regular weapon and increased the damage by 25%.
This means, they're damage values skyrocketed when garrison bonuses apply!
They actually have the lowest HP compared to the other 2 basic infantry units with no armor on top of that.
Plus the other basic yuri units are pretty trash like the lasher tank
@@ew3612 Gatling tank not really though? Lasher I also heard a bit more manoeuvrable compared to grizzly. Yuri is still a very much busted faction overall.
Initiate: he has taught us well
GI: sir yes sir
Conscript: awaiting orders
Apocalypse: armaggedon is here
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On your morning commute, when the cars that stopped at the red light finally see the green.
Would be curious if you did this with cost adjusted if the result would be similar. As they performed in rank of their costs
This confirms my suspicions on Initiates being too OP.
average american neighborhood
Actually it would be interesting to see if promotion actually increases garrisoned DPS, or if it was just a matter of targeting here.
Most of the time, the elite version of weapons have a buff on damage aside from the damage multiplier buff from getting promoted. Attack speed increases too on the base elite weapon so the DPS is actually higher.
The Initiates in _Mental Omega_ were nerfed of the Garrison damage for this very reason.
You need air and siege units to deal with them.
It was a foregone conclusion from the thumbnail alone. Initiates are beyond busted as a basic infantry
That's true for sure
I think Yuri was balanced around being a single player boss fight and multiplayer balance was an after thought
Give CnC Reloaded a try, they are more balanced, and you can play Nod vs Yuri haha
What was the ost track in this video?
Look No Hands!
yuri initiate + russian bunker
Insane! 🤪
Devastating
Yuri infantry are really built different 😅
And they can clone them!
And the game devs troll the Soviets by them being the one faction that can build garrison able structures 🤣
how do you make these tests/simulations? i wanna try it
Isn't Conscripts suppose to garrison two buildings...? Since, well, they're half the price of the other two...
This is not for same coat though.
Гдеб найти соперника которые, так же будет сливать своих подопечных, вместо ответных мер.
who else got blue strips in their vision after watching the video and looked at the comments section?
You should show this same test with equal cost
Because Conscripts are half the price but the other two are $200
But if you include the cloning vat ☠ But you would need to produce more than 25 Initiates to pay it off
Самая непонятная логика в РАмю
Солдат Юрия > Призывник > Солдат
Призывник > Солдата 1 на 1
Солдат > Призывника если Солдат будет развернут как пулемет
По сути в здании должен быть эффективнее Призывник из-за урона,но в итоге все наоборот.
When infintary passed this road GI will beat initiate
Did anyone actually execpt the initiatis to lose this
too bad theres no way to get gi to deploy ina garrison like they do in a battle fortress
Strange because the firing sound of the GIs in a Battle Fortress sounds exactly like their deployed versions.
@@project_arianightcore7280 I believe they do use their deployed weapons inside the battle fortress, which is why a battle fortress filled with GIs is so devastating, might be misremembering though.
soviet suck