No More Lithium! BYD Shifts To Sodium-Ion Batteries!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In the fast-paced world of electric vehicles, BYD is making waves with a groundbreaking shift in battery technology. Join us as we delve into the captivating story of BYD's transformation from lithium-ion dominance to the promising realm of sodium-ion batteries.
In our previous video, we explored how BYD boldly overtook Tesla's position in the electric vehicle market, cementing its status as a global powerhouse. But the narrative doesn't end there. Now, BYD is pioneering a new era of energy storage with its visionary investment of $1.4 billion in a cutting-edge sodium-ion battery facility.
Embark on a journey through the intricate web of partnerships and innovations as we unravel BYD's strategic collaboration with Huaihai Group to establish Xuzhou as the epicenter of sodium-ion battery production. From whispers of the groundbreaking BYD Seagull to the monumental plans for a 30 GWh annual production capacity, every twist and turn in BYD's sodium-ion saga is a testament to its unwavering commitment to revolutionize the electric vehicle landscape.
But what does this shift mean for the industry? Dive deep into the potential benefits of sodium-ion batteries, from powering micro vehicles and scooters to revolutionizing power-grid energy storage. Hear from industry experts as they weigh in on the implications of BYD's bold move, from mitigating lithium demand to stabilizing market prices.
As the tides of innovation continue to sweep across the electric vehicle market, one thing is certain: BYD's transition to sodium-ion batteries is not just a milestone-it's a catalyst for change. Join the conversation in the comments below and share your thoughts on the future of energy storage. Will BYD emerge as the dominant force in the industry, or will its pioneering spirit pave the way for new contenders? Subscribe to stay tuned for more groundbreaking insights into the electrifying world of BYD and beyond. Let's embark on this electrifying journey together!
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Sodium batteries can be good home batteries, pairing with solar panels, where cheaper is better.
Yepp! Sodium-ion batteries can be great for home energy storage, especially with solar panels, due to their affordability. They offer an efficient way to cut electricity costs and increase sustainability. Do you plan on using solar panels at home?
Yes, just not sure is it worth waiting as lifpo4 are good already
When around 40% of the cost of EV vehicles can be reduced significantly, the production & sales will dramatically increases. That's good news.
Absolutely! Cost reduction plays a crucial role in accelerating the adoption of electric vehicles (EVs) on a larger scale. With advancements in battery technology, such as the development of more affordable sodium-ion batteries, we're seeing the potential for significant cost savings in EV production. This not only makes EVs more accessible to a broader range of consumers but also contributes to the overall growth of the EV market.
we see all these "revolutions" in battery tech. however, the interesting thing is, that when they come to market, it is no revolution anymore. but that does not matter, because every year we have a good evolution. every years the kWh cost about 5% less and the range of cars is growing about 7%
this happened over 10 years now. and right now there is no end of this development in sight. the year over year growth in range might slow down a bit because we don't need that much range increments anymore. so, maybe 6.5% next year, 6% in two years, another 5.5% in three years and so on.
nevertheless, we have that nice development that results in a solid AND HEALTHY growth every year. it should not be faster because the industry cannot handle faster growth well.
BRING YOUR DOLLARS - BYD
Haha! That's a good one! :)
The battery manufacturer Northvolt developed state-of-the-art sodium-ion battery validated at 160 Wh/kg
Samples of these batteries produced were sent to potential customers including ev makers in November 2023
With supercharging highly saturated and widely dispersed, 160Wh/Kg is all you will need. The challenge rests now in rollout of the super charging networks.
They are not the first
@@JoeyBlogs007 There is a reason why Sodium batteries are going to be marketed towards the low end, that woeful capacity. regular lithium batteries are up to 711wh/kg in lab prototypes and 500wh/kg in commercial products, and you are sadisfied with 160wh/kg? Even my old Nissan Leaf has 224 Wh/kg in its battery. So even lower than that. Gosh.
@@GeirEivindMork in real world cars the energy density of lithium batteries is around 270Wh/kg.
university bayreuth germany just pushed NaIon to 165Wh/kg. well, not suited for long range, but not every user on a budget buys a long range car.
as i see it, the car market will roughly split up in 33%/33%/33% Na-Ion/LFP/NMC
in the next years. then maybe aluminium-graphene will come or lithium-sulphur, ...
higher density means even more lithium....so I think it is a good development, and this 160 Wh/kg will be improved soon. Northvolt is not on the front though.. @@20cmusic
I am sticking to my Toyota Hybrid. It’s electric in general in town and I don’t even have to plug it in as the petrol engine looks after that.
Nice! Hybrid vehicles offer a practical and efficient solution, especially for city driving.Thanks for sharing your experience!
No contest for long driving ,Hybrids the way to Go and go ,gogogogogogo.
Honda Hybrids shut engine off when stopped in Towns ,Restarts when U let foot off brake.
I will stick with my Hybrid vehicles at the moment and let the new technology mature. I don't have a good confident on the long term reliability of this new batteries. Especially products from Chinese companies. They will take short cut where ever they can to cut cost to avoid bankruptcy.
Stick to what's familiar is always a great choice. Concerns about the reliability of new technologies are also understandable. However - technology is evolving fast, so next time you consider a new car you might get excited by your EV test drive :)
If this battery eliminates several isues if the lithium batteries ie cold charging,range anxiety, battery cost and fire issues plus charge time it could rejuvinate electric vehicle sales.
Yes! You've highlighted key benefits sodium-ion batteries could bring, potentially boosting electric vehicle sales by addressing issues as you mention. I think BYD's move towards sodium-ion production signals a step in exploring these possibilities, which could reshape the industry and drive innovation. Your thoughts contribute valuable perspectives to the conversation about the future of electric vehicles.
much potential,particularly for the low mileage owner,the lack of potential maintenance is a shining benefit for the low mileage elderly owner,especially for a wireless charging system.
Agree! Sodium-ion batteries offer great potential. It's exciting to see how these advancements are making electric vehicles more accessible and convenient.
Best for grid scale energy storage.
Absolutely! Sodium-ion batteries hold great promise for grid-scale energy storage due to their unique characteristics. They offer a viable solution for storing large amounts of energy efficiently and sustainably. As we continue to explore renewable energy sources like wind and solar, grid-scale storage becomes increasingly important for stabilizing the power grid and ensuring reliable electricity supply. Sodium-ion batteries could play a significant role in this transition towards a more sustainable energy future.
Is it also cobalt free? That's the bigger concern in my mind. Lithium is found all over the world... unlike cobalt.
Great question! Sodium-ion batteries have the potential to be cobalt-free and could offer a more sustainable option for energy storage. BYD (and other companies like Northvolt) are actively exploring cobalt-free alternatives, with a focus on improving the ethical and environmental aspects of battery production. Efforts to develop cobalt-free battery technologies are ongoing, and advancements in this area will be essential for promoting a cleaner and more ethical energy transition. Thanks for highlighting this important aspect of battery technology!
EV haters are going to be so salty.
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I am in the Philippines. Would be perfect here for Jetour ICE EV, BYD or Wulin.
For sure! The Philippines, with its diverse terrain and urban landscapes, presents a great opportunity for the adoption of electric vehicles like those offered by Jetour ICE, BYD, and Wuling. The efficiency and environmental benefits of EVs make them well-suited for various transportation needs in your region :)
Lithium stocks now worth
The Lithium carbonate price has gone down a lot over the last 12 months. Mainly driven by ample supply and muted demand. Slowdown of EV sales is part of this. As the industry evolves and technologies like sodium-ion batteries gain traction, it could cause even more fluctuations in the price. Time will tell.
Sorry they are not for sale in ZA
Availability vary by region, and it's unfortunate they aren't for sale in ZA yet. Hopefully, as the technology develops and demand grows, we'll see more widespread distribution.
Interesting just waiting for the next invention.
Absolutely! It's an exciting time in the world of technology and innovation. Who knows what groundbreaking inventions the future holds? Keep watching for updates on the latest developments! 🚀
Lithium, to be exact lithium cobalt, are still the best in term of capacity and discharge capability. sodium will happen sooner or later, but that doesn't mean it gonna remove the existing lithium batteries out of existence
Absolutely, lithium batteries currently lead the pack in terms of capacity and discharge capability. Sodium-ion batteries offer a promising alternative, but at current, it's unlikely they'll completely replace lithium batteries. Instead, they'll likely complement each other, catering to different needs and applications in the evolving energy landscape.
Great video
Many thanks! ❤️
Lithium ion will get stuck in recycling of scrap batteries. Sodium ion is much easier. Total CO2 emissions to make the metals is much less for Sodium.
Yes! Recycling is a crucial aspect of sustainability in battery technology. Sodium-ion battery potential for lower CO2 emissions in metal production is noteworthy. Industry need to consider these factors as we strive for more environmentally friendly energy solutions.
We need new type of battery 🔋
Quantum computer or ai can discover better battery 🔋
Absolutely, the search for better batteries is ongoing. I bet quantum computing and AI are actively contributing to battery research. Exciting developments are expected, and it's a promising time for advancements in energy storage. What aspects of battery technology are you most interested in?
Which model BYD EVs have Sodium Ion battery 🔋
The BYD Dolphin and BYD Seagull are the two cars currently targeted. See our videos on those fine cars. ruclips.net/video/8sIOycks2Mk/видео.html & ruclips.net/video/W5uEKxgDCZo/видео.html
❤❤so beautiful make in every oil 🛢 station point charger for electric cars
:) It's great to see enthusiasm for electric cars and the infrastructure needed to support them. Increased accessibility to charging stations at oil stations can certainly contribute to the widespread adoption of electric vehicles, making sustainable transportation more convenient for everyone.
Battery swapping might be the answer.
That's an interesting point! Battery swapping indeed presents a compelling solution to some of the challenges associated with electric vehicle adoption, such as long charging times and limited infrastructure for fast charging. Companies like Tesla and NIO have already been exploring this concept, and it could potentially complement the advancements in sodium-ion battery technology that BYD is pursuing. It's definitely something worth considering as we look for more efficient and convenient ways to power electric vehicles.
Nio has several swapping stations already.
Come up with vehicles that the common man can afford
Understood! Companies like BYD are working towards making electric vehicles more accessible to the average consumer. As technology advances and production scales up, we anticipate seeing more affordable electric vehicle options in the market.
so no way for cars , we need multiply the capacyty and lowe cost of production at least at half.......
Yes! scaling up production capacity and reducing costs are essential for widespread adoption of sodium-ion batteries in cars. Continued advancements in technology and manufacturing processes hold promise for achieving these goals.
Tesla now playing catch up to those that copied it.
While Tesla has been a leader in the electric vehicle market, companies like BYD are pushing boundaries with new technologies. This competition benefits consumers and encourages further advancements in the industry :)
I say get rid of anything battery for real vehicle but for golf carts and smaller stuff. Back to ICE vehicles, the real deal and winner.
ICE vehicles have been reliable for many years. However, the shift to EVs, is driven by the need to reduce emissions and reliance on fossil fuels. BYD's investment in battery technology aims to make EVs more accessible and sustainable. However, at current, both ICE vehicles and EVs have their places in the automotive landscape.
Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Sodium batteries offer serious range trade-offs versus lithium. It's probably another 5 years from being commercially adopted (if ever). Solid state or some other chemistry might leapfrog them offering longer range and faster charging
Appreciate your insights! Sodium-ion batteries do face challenges like range and charging speed compared to lithium-ion. It's true they're still in early stages, and other technologies like solid-state batteries may offer advancements. Yet, sodium-ion batteries bring cost-effectiveness and potential sustainability benefits. Battery tech evolves gradually, and diverse solutions will likely coexist to meet energy storage needs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about nuclear perpetual batteries? Stringing millions of them could power a car and it will not need charging. 😂
The race for lithium mining is over before it even started...
It's definitely a competitive field! The demand for lithium is driving some interesting developments in battery technology. I have a new interesting video soon about Lithium mining......stay tuned!
Won't do that well. Solid State is the answer.
Solid-state batteries show promise, but they're still in development. Sodium-ion batteries could offer a viable solution for now, bridging the gap until solid-state technology matures.
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you can build a car that runs on urine lol everytime you gotts go you can just recharge your car lmk when china makes that
Haha! Creative thinking :D
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less fire explosions im assuming. also byd is no a competitior they make fire death traps that will just expload if they feel sad
Valid concern but It's essential to address misconceptions about electric vehicle safety. While there have been isolated incidents involving lithium-ion battery fires, modern electric vehicles, including those manufactured by BYD, undergo rigorous safety testing and feature advanced battery management systems to mitigate such risks.
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Haha, I can see the resemblance! Warren Buffett is definitely an influential figure, so I'll take that as a compliment.
Empty words and promises
Well, I understand your skepticism, and it's important to approach advancements in technology with a critical eye. My aim is to provide factual information and updates on developments in the industry, including both successes and challenges. It's through open dialogue and scrutiny that we can better understand the landscape of emerging technologies :)
If you want to prosper as maker of ev cars, stay out of lithium
It's interesting to consider the potential alternatives to lithium-ion batteries in the EV market. While lithium-ion batteries currently dominate, emerging technologies like sodium-ion batteries present intriguing possibilities for the future. Diversification and innovation in battery technology are key to meeting the evolving needs of the electric vehicle industry. It's an exciting time for advancements in sustainable transportation!
Still the same crap ...have to wait 5 hr to rechage....car for the Mugs.
I understand your frustration with charging times. It's definitely a concern for many people considering electric vehicles. Fortunately, advancements in battery technology, like sodium-ion batteries, are aimed at improving charging speeds and overall convenience. As technology continues to evolve, we can expect to see faster and more efficient charging solutions.
@@AmpedAuto would not take the shit if they give it to me for free...haha stay with my V8 Aston Martin !let the Idiots Suckers that want to save the earth to strugle with the crap.battery is always a battrery and takes time to charge..Unsuitable technology for any transport other the loading lift tracks.
Sodium batteries are not more efficient, in fact the opposite is true.
The efficiency of sodium-ion batteries compared to lithium-ion ones is indeed a subject of debate in the industry. While sodium-ion batteries may have certain advantages, such as potentially lower costs and of course reduced strain on lithium resources, they may not offer the same level of energy density as lithium-ion batteries, especially for larger vehicles. However, research and development in battery technology are ongoing, and advancements may address current limitations. Ultimately, the adoption of sodium-ion batteries represents a significant shift in the industry, with potential implications for manufacturers and consumers alike.
Only goons buy an EV
Well, we respectfully disagree :). The decision to purchase an electric vehicle is a personal one, influenced by various factors such as environmental concerns, cost savings on fuel and maintenance, and the desire for cutting-edge technology. EVs have gained popularity globally, with many seeing them as a sustainable and efficient mode of transportation. We encourage open discussions on different viewpoints, as it helps us understand diverse perspectives. If you have any specific concerns or questions about electric vehicles, feel free to share them, and we'll be happy to address them.
They are also fully recyclable
Salt Bae will be proud 😂😂
Haha! Yeah, Sodium-ion batteries are spicing up the EV game just like Salt Bae spices up his dishes! 🔋😄
In China electric automotive companies are selling cars that can travel 800 miles without a charge. The company BYD have the ability to swap out depleted batteries in less then 3 mins and your on your way.
BYD's advancements in battery technology and quick battery swapping are impressive indeed. It's exciting to see how electric vehicle technology is evolving.
For real? Much respect to 'em!
The energy density is more than enough for most applications now. Not to mention the cost. These are about $90/USD per kwh compared to $130/USD kwh for lithium ion and CATL said that the cost of these will drop to about $45/USD by the end of the year with full-scale production... That alone would bring a 20 kwh battery pack down to under $1K which is amazing! Personally I drive a Smart Fortwo and the electric version which I don't but wanted to own has a 17 kwh pack. So you could probably fit a similarly sized pack into one now with little range loss but huge cost savings!
Sound good. Could save a lot by bringing EV’s price down , because batteries are the most expensive part in EV’s
Absolutely! You've highlighted a crucial point. The decreasing cost and increasing energy density of sodium-ion batteries make them very promising for electric vehicles. With costs projected to drop significantly, electric cars become more affordable, potentially fitting larger battery packs without sacrificing range. This advancement is exciting for both consumers and the electric vehicle industry as a whole. Thanks for bringing up this important aspect!
Especially when you consider that Lion-polymer batteries can only discharge to ~20%, and do not like to be fully charged.. They end up at parity charge wise, and the Sodium cells are easier to recycle, and don't go up in flames, or use environmentally disastrous chemicals.
Sodium battery is already put in use in China but only on mopeds (almost identiical to the infamous Italian Vespa). The cost right now is even more expensive than Li-Fe. It may not until mid-2024 or 2025 should we see a comparable price drop then.
Right now ev weight on average 800kg more then petrol so with sodium it will weight around 1.1t more, which give you around 2000 to 2500kg per small car and 3000kg for a family car. Also there is a question of volume this battry takes.
How fast do these charge? I've read 15 minutes for 80% charge. And tech advancements for charge speed only seconds. With such charge speed, and batteries lasting much longer, it's far more practical than lithium.
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Thank you so much! Your support means a lot :)
The scientist and engineers r doing mistakes in selecting costly batteries. There work should go in cheap battery choseing like sodium batteries.
Thank you so much for your nice important information.
Oh yes extremely important! 🙏💲
Not surprised the sodium battery hasnt made it into the Seagull, lower energy density and high voltage drop means its still best for storage, also lfp keeps getting cheaper.
You're right-sodium-ion batteries are currently better suited for storage due to their lower energy density and higher voltage drop. LFP batteries remain a strong choice as they continue to get cheaper. It'll be interesting to see how sodium-ion technology develops :)
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This added capacity for storage batteries frees up more lithium for BEVs.
Absolutely! Increasing the capacity for storage batteries, especially with alternatives like sodium-ion, can indeed help alleviate pressure on lithium resources, allowing more of it to be directed towards electric vehicle production. This could contribute to a more sustainable and balanced approach to meeting the growing demand for both energy storage and electric vehicles. Do you think this shift towards alternative battery technologies will have a significant impact on the EV market?
for non-mobile storage, lithium does not make sense.
Sodium batteries will be required if evs are to be mass market
Absolutely! Sodium-ion batteries hold promise for making electric vehicles more mass-market friendly. Their potential for affordability and efficiency could greatly contribute to widespread EV adoption.
Sodium-ion battery, it's an attractive option for EVs as costs, supply matter.
Definitely! Sodium-ion batteries offer promising advantages for electric vehicles, particularly in terms of cost-effectiveness and supply considerations. It's exciting to see how advancements in battery technology are expanding options for sustainable transportation.
Super capacitor modules to store forward motion while driving is the future
:) The idea of harnessing kinetic energy during motion has been explored in various forms, including regenerative braking systems in electric vehicles.
Supercapacitors have the advantage of rapid charging and discharging, making them suitable for capturing and releasing energy efficiently. Implementing such modules could potentially enhance vehicle efficiency and range.
It's exciting to see advancements in energy storage technologies and how they might shape the future of transportation. Research and development in this area could lead to innovative solutions for more sustainable and efficient vehicles.
@@AmpedAuto You talk like an AI robot. Can you pass the "I am human test"?
sleaXi you should start commissioning 4 coal fired power plants per week.
The current two coal fired power stations per week is not enough.
You might as well stay cool as you destroy the climate.
Sodium has its own set of problems
@paulr1125 like? Being to salty? 🤣
Reduce Lithium mining and use salt is great environmental change and should bring cost down. Using salt is ready available most common on our planet makes sense and easily recyclable, unlike Lithium
Absolutely! Shifting towards sodium-ion batteries not only reduces reliance on lithium mining but also utilizes a more abundant and environmentally friendly resource. The accessibility and recyclability of salt offer promising prospects for sustainable energy solutions. It's exciting to see how such changes can positively impact both the environment and cost-effectiveness :)
@@AmpedAuto we can get plenty of salt from desalination plants
The headline is very misleading. For me, the author now has no credibility.
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. The headline was intended to highlight BYD's significant shift to sodium-ion batteries and their potential impact.
come on man lets just stay with ICE until the car manufacturers get solid state just right
I would say It's natural to be cautious about adopting new technologies, especially when it comes to something as essential as our vehicles. However, the transition to electric vehicles, including advancements like solid-state batteries, represents a significant step forward in reducing emissions and combating climate change. While it's essential to ensure that new technologies are thoroughly tested and reliable, waiting indefinitely for the perfect solution might delay progress towards a more sustainable future. Electric vehicles, even with current battery technology, already offer numerous benefits over ICE vehicles, including lower emissions and improved performance. It's worth considering the advantages of electric vehicles while also keeping an eye on emerging technologies for even greater efficiency and sustainability.
Thanks, you made some pretty good insights on the economic dynamics, sodium battery production could bring to the markets... good research, solid rationales... well done!... (subscribed) '; D ... I know they can also solve the "cold battery" problem, as well as the limited resources cost side of production... forget how many cycles they can currently handle?
Thank you so much for your feedback and for subscribing! I'm glad you found the insights valuable. Sodium-ion battery production indeed holds promise for reshaping the market dynamics, especially in addressing issues like the 'cold battery' problem and mitigating concerns about limited resources. Currently, sodium-ion batteries can typically handle around 5,000 cycles, which is impressive but still slightly behind the most cost-effective lithium options that offer around 7,500 cycles as stated in the video. Overcoming this challenge to increase the cycle life further is crucial for widespread adoption. I appreciate your engagement and look forward to exploring more topics like this in future videos. Stay tuned!
COME ON ELEON I WILL NOT BUY LITHIUM GO SALT OR LOOSE MY BUSINESS
😂 just becarefull.. sodiom ion has more weight and has less capacity to load the energy. is not more light and not really good to compare with lithium.. thats why lithium have their price , europe nation use this isue for not using lithium which is they try to make Nickel price Down, and nikel from those countries will have to lower the price, indonesia include..
Byd has known got their money from china government, and they have to make more production ev, so to create those fast production sodium ion is the solution.. cheap and has short live baterries 😂
Sodiom ion bateries is Cheap cuz a lot of source.. but its more good than lithium?? 😂😂😂 china company had support from the government to monopoly EV Car.. and the target is world, just becarefull for lose money in cheap and short life baterries..
Sodium-ion batteries are cheaper but may have shorter lifespans compared to lithium-ion. BYD does receive support from the Chinese government for EV production, but they continue to improve their technology.
HAHAHAHA this is hilarious. Sodium batts have a crap discharge and charge curve, less capacity, and maybe for a very short time they might deliver enough current. This battery narrative is friggin hilarious !!!! lol
Sodium-ion batteries do have challenges like discharge curves and capacity compared to lithium-ion, however they're being explored for specific uses like grid storage. BYD's investment reflects a trend toward diverse energy solutions, which is fostering innovation in the industry. And innovation is important.
Thanks for the report.
Take care of yourself.
vous appelez ça l'I.A. mais les commentaires sont creux et redondants, c'est nul!!!!!!!!!!
Google translate on that one...I try to provide helpful, friendly and relevant responses to the questions asked, that's all. And as I have stated before; passion beats the AI.
With supercharging highly saturated and widely dispersed, 160Wh/Kg is all you will need. The challenge rests now in rollout of the super charging networks.
Yes, great point! The advancement of battery technology, like sodium-ion batteries with their energy density of 160Wh/kg, can indeed alleviate some of the strain on charging infrastructure. While supercharging networks are essential for long-distance travel and convenient charging, the increasing energy density of batteries allows for longer ranges and reduced charging frequency, which can help mitigate some of the challenges associated with charging infrastructure rollout. Thanks for sharing your insights!
He got me when he said they want more environment friendly...we talking China here.
Also Solid Power and QS are very close to SSB. At that point any Sodium is obsolete.
It's understandable to have concerns about environmental friendliness, especially considering the context. Advancements in solid-state battery technology by companies like Solid Power and QS are exciting, agree. BYD and other manufacturers need to continue innovating to stay competitive in this rapidly evolving landscape.
my the best system win,you can actually buy sodium cells now.
NO CLEAR JUST promotion. No fact that sodiom ion being used. Just info
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Just Click bait here.
Sodium ion batteries are for tiny weeny vehicles n scooters. The size n bulk of Sodium ion batteries is not practical for normal cars.
BYD Seagull are tiny weeny vehicle.
Yep, it's click bait.
Title sais:"No More Lithium! BYD Shifts To Sodium-Ion Batteries!"
Video says: They use them for electric scooters an small cars.
It feels like almost every video about electric cars and "future tech" is just clickbait.
not really. Sodium ion batteries are not too far behind the LFP batteries. Since Tesla Model Y RWD has already shifted to LFP, I'd say Sodium ion battery cars is not too far off the horizon.
They need to redesign the EV. I understand they but the batteries on the bottom of the car for low center of gravity. The batteries need to be protected my accidents. They need to be an interchangeable batteries. I realize the battery technology is not there yet.the battery has to be a lot smaller and lighter.they have micro cars I’ve seen that have removable for charging so you can plug it in to any outlet. Take your small battery in with you while you go shopping or lunch. Now I also realize that there needs to be a battery charging area. No you think why not just use a charging station. With a small battery the size of a suit case it’s smaller and a company can make a profit with charging batteries in large quantity in a safe and locked location. Less charging times it might take 15 minutes or 5 who knows what the future holds.
Thank you for sharing your ideas on EV battery design. Interchangeable batteries and convenient charging solutions are indeed areas of ongoing innovation and development in the electric vehicle industry. As technology progresses, we may see advancements that address these concerns and offer more flexible and efficient solutions for EV owners. Your input contributes to the ongoing conversation about improving EV technology for a better future. Thanks!
Carbon dioxide emission to make Lithium, Cobalt, Nickel metals for making the battery be compared with Sodium Ion and also lead acid batteries. Later is 97% recyclable
Agree! Sodium-ion batteries offer a promising alternative to traditional lithium-based batteries, potentially reducing the environmental impact associated with materials like lithium, cobalt, and nickel. Sodium-ion batteries could offer a greener solution due to their abundance of sodium and reduced reliance on scarce resources. However, comprehensive life cycle assessments are needed to fully evaluate their environmental benefits :) .
Lithium ion discharge cycles fifty percent more than sodium ion. Sodium ion batteries 30% cheaper, but lifespan of lithium ion provides 50% more. Good luck to them.
True, while lithium-ion batteries currently offer more cycles and lifespan, sodium-ion batteries are more cost-effective. As technology evolves, we hopefully may see improvements in sodium-ion battery performance
BYD and CATL co operation is going to launch a semi solid sodium ion battery that has double lithium ion battery density. This will be out in 2 to 3 yrs time.
Wow! Introducing a semi-solid sodium-ion battery with double the density of lithium-ion batteries could indeed be a game-changer. It's remarkable to see how quickly battery technology is evolving, offering even more efficient and powerful solutions for electric vehicles and energy storage :)
The sodium is the best choice and rational for green energy then Lithium and Nickle. Because of the waste effect for the environment, the sodium has a small effect then LFP and NMC
Agree! Sodium-ion batteries offer promising advantages for green energy, with potentially lower environmental impact compared to lithium and nickel-based batteries. Their reduced waste effect is indeed a significant factor to consider in the transition towards sustainable energy solutions.
What are Sodium Ion batteries made of?
So sodium ion batteries are common table salt is that correct, if so be careful what you wish for
Salt and they will charge faster have far beter temprature range and be cheaper
Natrium Oxide, wich is obtained from "ionaizing" the Table Salt
Elon should be worried
Yes! Elon might want to keep an eye on this-BYD is definitely charging up the competition :)
What about calcium or potassium? We use that to melt snow and is less corrosive than Salt.
no
Interesting alternatives. I'm not to heavy into these two chemical elements, but I think they have been explored used in EV battery production. While sodium-ion batteries are gaining traction, exploring new options could lead to new breakthroughs in battery technology. With some elements advantages also comes disadvantages. It's a fascinating area of research :)
It's too heavy that energy density will be lower than that of Sodium or Lithium.
@@RobertoLee09 what about hydrogen fuel cells? Can’t be lighter than hydrogen
add the tank weigt to it. it has to hold 600bar!
Soda bikarbona 😅
Haha, close but not quite! Sodium-ion batteries are actually a different technology with great potential for making electric vehicles and energy storage more affordable and sustainable :D
Ahhhhh no matter what technology they all needs oil. 😂😂😂 why is China dumping the technology 🤔.
While oil remains a significant energy source, there's a global push towards cleaner alternatives like electric vehicles and renewable energy. China's investment in technologies like sodium-ion batteries aligns with this shift, aiming to reduce reliance on fossil fuels and promote sustainability. Initiatives like BYD's move towards cleaner energy storage solutions play a crucial role in diversifying energy sources and mitigating environmental impacts.
You say lithium ion 7:42 battery has 7500 cycles and cost is 190kw/kg and Sodium has 5000 cycles and cost is 160kw/kg . In that calculation Na cost is less but would require change more frequently. So to summarise li still is charper than Na according to cost verses time to replacement. So what is the basic reason or advantage compnay shifting to Na. Is it just the availability and cheap price. But at the end of day you will get lesser range and frequent replacement cost. But lower range and lower cost may suit most buyers. But still i feel cars with range upto 700kms and affordable costs make sense then only it would be better accepted in market. As charging an ev on highway wastes a lot of time and range anxiety is the major factor for less sale in India.
You've made some great points about the trade-offs between lithium-ion and sodium-ion batteries, especially in terms of cost versus longevity. While lithium-ion batteries may currently offer a longer lifespan, sodium-ion batteries present advantages in terms of availability and potentially lower initial cost. The shift towards sodium-ion batteries by companies like BYD is driven by various factors, including the desire to diversify battery options, reduce reliance on limited resources like lithium, and explore alternative technologies that may offer benefits in specific applications. Range anxiety and charging infrastructure are significant considerations for EV adoption, especially in markets like India. Achieving longer ranges and faster charging times are crucial for widespread acceptance of electric vehicles. As technology continues to advance, we can expect improvements in battery performance and affordability, which will hopefully address these challenges and make EVs even more appealing to consumers. Your perspective on the importance of longer ranges and affordability is valuable, and it's something manufacturers and policymakers are undoubtedly considering as they work towards a more sustainable transportation future. Thanks!
@@AmpedAuto what we in india need is a reliable , cheap , long range , 4x4 ev family supporting car ... which i would say is a dream of every Indian. Basically a package of everything ... but its still a dream.
Sodium can’t replace lithium. The atomic weight is 7.7 times and the ionic mobility is much less than lithium. It could be used for some low end and low performance cars or energy storage system. For instance, Energy storage for an off grid tiny house could use it.
Great comment! While sodium-ion batteries may have limitations compared to lithium-ion batteries, they still hold promise for specific applications such as energy storage systems for off-grid setups. As technology advances, we may see further refinements that enhance the performance and suitability of sodium-ion batteries for various use cases including bigger EV's.
golf carts?
R U sure the didn't steal this technology 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Questions about technological advancements is normal, but it's important to note that BYD has been a leader in battery technology for years. They've invested heavily in research and development to innovate in this space.
Any mobile application benefits from light batteries. Sodium makes sense for battery storage, not cars or scooters.
That is to say, area and weight are both important, as well as life cycle.
Absolutely, you've hit on key factors: weight and area are crucial in mobile applications, while life cycle is vital for sustainability. Sodium-ion batteries excel in stationary storage, offering benefits in longevity and versatility. Yet, in vehicles, balancing these factors remains crucial. It's fascinating to see how different technologies meet various energy needs. Thanks for sharing your insights!
Well, the truth is, as of Jan 2024, Sodium ion battery is 30% more expensive than the LFP battery in the market which LFP battery is about 20% better in term of energy density per kg.
Currently, sodium-ion batteries may be more expensive compared to LFP batteries, and LFP batteries do have a higher energy density per kilogram. However, it's important to note that the sodium-ion technology is still evolving rapidly, and advancements in manufacturing processes and economies of scale could potentially drive down costs in the future. Additionally, sodium-ion batteries offer other advantages such as being more sustainable and less reliant on scarce resources like lithium. As the industry continues to innovate, we may see sodium-ion batteries become more competitive and widespread in various applications.
@@AmpedAuto that is the only up side of a sodium ion battery atm.
Sodium ion battery already started it's effect on Lithium market.
yes, because sodium ion batteries are just in the process of upscaling. this costs money and takes time. as soon as they can ship high volumes, they will drop in price. 2025 same price than LFP, 2026 less than LFP on the open market.
STOP The Lithium War In CONGO 😢
Agreed. Raising awareness about the ethical and environmental impacts of lithium extraction is crucial. In some parts of the world we do see war on resources, which is concerning of course :(
Don't fuck around, be specific
Let's get specific. Sodium-ion batteries offer unique benefits like reduced strain on lithium resources and potential for grid energy storage. BYD's shift could reshape the market, making them a key player. This might prompt competition, driving innovation. Thoughts?
Who eould design amini pantograph?
Nothing for a big car. But for a golf car size and mopeds.
Currently, sodium-ion batteries are primarily targeted for smaller vehicles due to their specific characteristics. As technology evolves, I guess we may see broader applications :).
I wish you could have added how the Na-ion batteries is planned for usage by BYD.
Thank you for your feedback! I appreciate your interest in learning more about how BYD plans to utilize sodium-ion batteries. While I didn't delve into specific usage scenarios in this video, it's certainly an important aspect worth exploring further. I will keep an eye on any big updates. So I would say; stay tuned for future updates where we can dive deeper into BYD's strategies for integrating sodium-ion batteries into their electric vehicles and other applications. Your curiosity is valued, and I'm excited to explore this topic further
What is battery life in years
Sodium-ion batteries typically have a life cycle of about 5,000 charge and discharge cycles. In terms of years, this can vary based on usage, but should I guess, maybe around 10 years for regular use.
Great for energy storage and ships.
Absolutely! Sodium-ion batteries hold immense potential for various applications, including energy storage and maritime use. Their versatility makes them a promising option for addressing energy needs across different sectors.
This is such a big deal.
Yes! The shift towards sodium-ion batteries represents a significant development in the electric vehicle and energy storage industries. It's exciting to see how advancements in battery technology continue to shape our future.
ev batteries auto charging from wheel generator
Indeed, the concept of regenerative braking, where kinetic energy from braking is converted into electrical energy to charge the battery, is a fascinating aspect of electric vehicle technology. Thought about this several times myself 👍
Batteries suck
Batteries can have limitations, but they play a crucial role in powering many aspects of our lives, including clean energy technologies like electric vehicles and renewable energy storage. As technology continues to advance, we can expect improvements in battery performance and efficiency. What specific challenges do you see with batteries?
Good Idea
:) Thanks for your support! What aspect of the idea interests you the most?
Will it catch fire?
Safety is a top priority in battery technology, and while any energy storage system carries inherent risks, manufacturers rigorously test and implement safety measures to minimize these risks. Sodium-ion batteries offer promising advancements in safety, but like any new technology, thorough testing and regulatory approval are necessary to ensure their reliability. BYD and other manufacturers are undoubtedly focused on delivering safe and reliable products to consumers.
YES !!! Sodium is even more reactive than Lithium ... not much, but nonetheless noticeable .... watch out for a Luton Airport fire coming to a shopping centre near you with fumes that will burn out your lungs.
The sodium ion battery sounds good until you understand that the charge hold capacity is way down on lithium
Hmmm.... You will know the sodium ion battery is good when half of EV use this battery
yea but cheap
let's put it this way. There are 2 main trends of Lithium battery. The higher trend is the NMC which is at around 280Wh/kg right now and may go up to 360Wh/kg. Then there is the Solid State Battery of QuantumScape and the 500Wh/kg Amprius Lithium ion Silicon Anode battery or may be the 500Wh/kg Condense Battery of CATL. The second trend is the LFP battery which is around 190Wh/kg. The 160Wh/kg Sodium-ion battery may be able to challenge this second trend.
it is all in development, you think 160 is the limit? of course not.
@@gronz just a note. Sodium ion battery is actually using the lithium ion battery technology. You should know Sodium and Lithium share very similar properties if you still remember the periodic table you learned in high school. In another word, if Sodium ion battery has a new tech to improve its energy density, the same tech will likely work on Lithium ion battery as well. Lithium ion will always supply more energy than Sodium ion.
Has nothing to do with any fire issues they’ve had right? Of course they throw in first thing on how more efficient it is for the distraction. These batteries are not born yesterday but thanks for the educational topic 😂 Just stop with the sales gimmick. Only a fool are buying this
While it's important to acknowledge past incidents and concerns, it's equally crucial to recognize the ongoing advancements and potential of sodium-ion batteries. The focus of this video is to explore the emerging technology and its implications for the future of energy storage, rather than promoting sales gimmicks. By discussing the benefits and challenges of sodium-ion batteries, we aim to provide educational insights into this evolving field.