Christ, Scripture and the LGBTQ+ Movement with Owen Strachan
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2022
- Jonny Ardavanis is the Lead Pastor at Stonebridge Bible Church in Franklin, TN and the President of Dial In Ministries. He formerly served as the Dean of Campus Life at The Master’s University and as a Camp Director at Hume Lake Christian Camps. Jonny’s heart is to see people understand and love the Word of God and more so, to love the God of the Word. Jonny is married to Caity Jean and they have two precious daughters.
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Great talk! 1 Corinthians 16:13 ''Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.''
Thanks! Amen!
Thank you for this video!! Praise God for godly men like you who stand boldly on the Word! 📖 I'm getting a lot of hate indeed on my socials when I share God's truth on biblical sexuality. However, I still have sweet gay people following me! We've been co-workers and they watched my conversion since April 2019. ↩ I still love them as a person and encourage them in their jobs. I even pray for them, which they truly appreciate. @ Owen: I loved what you said about standing firm in Truth, but also loving on sinners and showing them grace and respect. People sometimes think I hate gay people, but I honestly don't! I need the Lord's wisdom in such situations, because I want to have the right attitude and set of words to be an accurate ambassador for Christ. ✝️ We can only sow the good seeds of the Lord and He will make it grow. (1 Corinthians 3:6-7)
Thanks again for this video, guys!
Blessings from the Netherlands! 🙌🏽🌸
Truth Matters and Gods Wisdom is sovereign, thanks for your words Sister 🙏🏻 😊
Do you choose to marry not coz you love your partner but you are obligated? Do you have sex with your partner and feel no pleasure but hate it ? Cannot a man and a women with no ability to have babies fall in love? What is the difference with gays? Your type of statement is the most problematic influence for men feeling love who are called gays.
Gays need no protection for being judge in their works and jobs because of their bad skills. But showing the judgement from knowing they are gay is the matter. So you don't need to separately mention their sexuality and being a person, to praise their works. That already shows you are abominating them if not duscriminating. So such statement is the worst that can look positivly good for influence but truely it is blindly accepted for its "love the sinners not the sin'' but the sin is their love. So you claim to love them but not really love them.
And People hating others come from you showing such hate, abomination or discrimination. God and sin are just your object acclaimed. People hate you for showing negative influence about their love, not because you talk about what you called God. Like you can be rich and hate poor people. But you hating them is their reason to hate you back. They can just question your richness used against them back, like using your objectified God in their responses back too which again clever earthly believers and the bible itself show as hate of the unknown God and not response of hate where God is used like any object or thing when people hate others.
I don't care how sincere you are or pray to be. If your message is not Biblical? Then you need to stop your efforts with your gay social media. They aren't "projects" for you to work on.
God bless men like owen speaking the truth , the true gospel of our heavenly father God our Lord and savior Jesus christ Amen 🙏 ❤
Amazing conversation. Very enlightening. Let’s love our neighbourhoods and show them God’s true love. 🙏🏽
He explains the bibles position clearly.
Position? In society? That hints indoctrination and earthly desire of position
Amen! Praise God for this video. Speaking the truth in love indeed.
Excellent explanation! Thank you for your work ! God bless you!
Thank you for this brilliant video! God bless you.
Thanks so much for sharing……
Such clarity of speech...thank you gentlemen, this is very educational and challenging. Indeed "Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person"_ Colossians 4:6
Lol so that is why these fictions become so plausibly indoctrinationg but still not anything such as clarity
Our God explained, "The spiritual warfare is already won by Christ and our God. The sexuality order can be taught with spiritual confidence." Some proclamations might occur but appreciate sincere consideration toward triumph, with spiritual wisdom surely.
Thank you brothers!!!Great vid!!! PTL!!!
Thanks Jean!
On point
So True,and so sad! Bible truth
You have a sinned against a holy God. If you have lied, stolen, and used His name as a cuss word, you have sinned. Since He is holy, he punishes sinners in the lake of fire.
But God is rich in mercy to all who call upon Him. Jesus lived a perfect life and suffered and died on the cross for your sins, taking the punishment on Himself. He rose again on the third day after He died.
“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Please repent and believe in this gospel alone for salvation. Come to Jesus in faith and repentance, and God will give you the righteousness of Christ.
So so well said… biblically..
Best way to witness for Christ is for some Christians to stop being a witness for politicians and elevating them. This makes witnessing profoundly more difficult.
Lol love can be promoted to feel the need to proclaim that it is promoted. But no one can promote who people are attracted to but can force, arrange marriage or indoctrinate. So this preacher's clever approach to the definition of lgbtq movement is quite politically thought of, taking and talking from not the nature of the movement but what homophobics popularise it to use it themselves, rather than bravely consulting it using spiritual wisdom acclaimed.
Read the book of Job. Stand firm that God loves you and blesses you even in times of hardship.
My true identity is a daughter in Christ !
Amen
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Interesting.
Awww the Darkness doesn’t like the Light.
The religion of Self! Leads to the road to destruction 💯🙏 I stand in the Truth in God.
The law ✝️ is strict.. Refer to it..
1 Timothy 1:5-11
I think allot of the "Kickback" is because of abuse, whether by Christians who bullied us or non-christians who bullied us as children. Being an LGBTQ individual made me so hated growing up. By other kids, by my parents, by Christians. I didn't choose to be this way. I liked other boys since as early as I could remember. I found love, acceptance, protection in a man and that was torn apart, ripped to pieces by my Christian parents, that caused us both to spiral into depression. It's constant suffering for me because of the abuse and hate of Christians. That's what Christians can't answer. Many conflicting opinions and Christians who contradict.
Without knowing what it's like to be attracted to the same sex, just as naturally as you are attracted to women, to be shunned, to be abused, to be bullied, to be verbally, physically and emotionally harassed, you know nothing. At least you can get married and relieve your s_xual needs, what about those in the LGBTQ? Are we just here to suffer? Why did God do this to so many people then?
WHY SHOULD YOU BE AFRAID TO OFFEND THE DEVIL
I here a lot about the lbgqt community as all being sinful. But I don’t hear a lot about the Ten Commandments that God gave to Moses. God holds all sin as equal. Man makes sins more or less sinful to meet his own needs. So I believe that if you are going to narrow in on a group then you are being selective on which sin is what is wrong today. What about false teachings. There are plenty of those. Or those who are afraid to preach what Jesus said or the Ten Commandments!! Because they don’t want to offend their congregations so they keep their jobs. Preach only partial truths and not all. There are those on tv who only preach about tithing and sowing their seed. One particular I have never heard him preach on any other topic.
So I say unto you!
Ye without sin cast the first stone.
Many churches won’t allow anyone from the lbgqt community come into their churches because they are sinful. That is where sinners are supposed to go. Not be banned! So many preachers need to rethink who it is that is allowed into The House Of The Lord God Almighty!!
They’re not saying the lgbt community is most sinful of all sins. This just so happens to be the topic of this particular video.
My Beloved friend in Christ, first we must develop the Spirit within so we can have the Kingdom of God, Peace LOVE, and Joy in the Holy GHOST. Having a deep love of the TRUTH. 2 Thes.2:9-10 for we walk in flesh first. 1 Corinthians 15:33-58 learning how to walk in the SPIRIT. So that we can be transformed in the twinkling of an eye to the Image of Christ Spiritual Body, prior dust the first Adam.
Sanctification is a process, done His way, not ours. For many commit that SIN UNTO DEATH in ignorance, deceived.
The SIN UNTO DEATH IS NOT ABIDING IN LOVE WITH ONE ANOTHER OR WE HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST 1JOHN 4.
1 JOHN 5:16 All sin is sin but there is a sin unto death, I'd have you not ask of this.
The fear of the Lord is to hate evil, Proverbs 8.
SHALOM
@@Vincent-we6wn I am a Christian and know what you said. I asked a question about why so many want to single out lbgqt people and not the whole sinful world.
@Brianna Dawn Seem to be 2 Thes.2:9-10 Lack of a love for the TRUTH.
1 Corinthians 15:33-34 Do not be deceived: Evil company corrupts good habits. Awake to Righteousness and do not sin, for some for some do not have the knowledge of God.
Fear of the Lord is the hate evil, Proverbs 8.
@Brianna Dawn People say, he forgives, just have no real knowledge of God. 1 JOHN 4 GOD IS LOVE AND WE MUST HAVE LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER OR WE HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST.
Forgiveness and repentance are two separate things, Amen?
Love Rules Sister
Lettuce Gay Bacon Tomatoes?
Poll results can be shared in societies, about that if how many people prefer to see LGBTQ parades of don't prefer. The righteous social consensus would need to be respected. Less than 7% people belong to LGBTQ. They suffer from work places which can be embraced with not respect, but love. Congregation Leaders approved the opinion. Appreciate sincere considerations with faith.
I agree. Nowadays, people are being selfish. All about "me, myself and I". That is one of the the major root cause of all conflicts and problems in this earthly world. Humans have forgotten that they are not god, there is only one God, our Creator. The one who created you and I.
If you're an unbeliever reading this, think about how you are able to read this if it wasn't for your eyes that was created by God.
That is exactly what christians do with using opposite words for what you say but to cause what you say. Love should never be obligated. If you refer that 'I only care myself' from the obligation's side in case of indiviuality and love, you are the one only caring for your self(ego/pride influenced from any old norm) but using the acclaimed statement of written relegious needs and love as an excuse.
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His OT explanation on why cross dressing is a sin was terrible.
The Lord has given me a vision; you must shave that mustache
I received a vision as well, brother. This vision had a beautifully grown mustache still intact. I rebuke you.
What does the Bible have to say about androgyny? Hermaphroditism? A person who is born with both sexual organs is supposed to be sexually attractive to which gender?
FALSE DOCTRINE OF BEING BORN AGAIN
While it is not our desire to ridicule anyone's prayer to Yahweh for repentance such as found in 2 Chronicles 7:14, or any effort one might put forth to amend one's
ways, but the doctrine of being "born again" cannot be found in Scripture.
many might be quick to quote John 3:3 where it says: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of Yahweh."
Actually, this passage does not say "born again" but "born from above." You'll have to admit there is
a world of difference between being born again and being born from above.
Being born from above simply does not imply being born again.
You can check almost any Bible
commentary, and it will confirm "born from above" is a correct rendering.
14:33 about gender pronouns : )
That is nothing related to a prudent god and psychological feelings. Gender pronouns kinda specificaly separate transgendering so using word for oneself to suit their psychological desire matching their social activities is problematic to wisdom? That wisdom must be man-made then. biological facts don't change even when transgendering but a person just shapes his body the way he likes. Only stubbornness to judge that creates real problem . Gay men love each other, trans just live their lives. But traditions and relegions first discriminate them then gays consoling each other exists then clever homophobics starts popularising such consolation as promoting something so impossible to be forcefully promoted which is harmless love and likes from mind and these profesdonal preachers using that homophobic popularisation as homosexual's deed. Both general homophobia and relegious preaching are so political and earthly. They are not wuse but indoctrinating and plausibly delivered without real relief and truth.
Interesting to define the love of neighbor in the way that you did. How does Jesus teach us to love our neighbor? I am thinking about the Samaritan woman who had five husbands, or the woman who was caught in adultery and almost stoned by the religious of the day who found her to be wicked. Did Jesus call those women wicked? Did he condemn them and then say "Whelp, I am just doing the loving thing - sorry if you don't feel loved!" Or did he treat them with value and truly see them and then condemn the religious (who were doing the condemning!) for not seeing their own sin? It seems to me that you present the model that the pharisees played in the gospel narratives - positioning yourself as judge and Truth - positioning yourself in a place of superiority to the group of - your words - "wicked sinners." Well, you sir are a sinner as well, as am I. Cast the first stone - which you just did. May we love our neighbors like Christ - seeing their value and their worth, seeing our own sin, and letting the Spirit do the Spirit's work.
Do you enjoy sex or boringly produce baby ? Do you fall in love to have babies? A Man and woman having no ability to fertilise a baby cannot fall in love? What is love? What is bad? What does you 'love thy neighbour' indicate in the similar love life of 2 men to a straight couple? You( you means what you say and so is the bible as in what the people writing it say/order )sound like you are beings who name anything bad/sin and it be that as their meanings. So dictating and not true or wise or clear
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@@WellAlwaysBeFriends if you show it out to anyone who is, yes. No one really force anyone nor 2 men loving each other need to do that but homophobics self-popularised such statements to use it for themselves just like the preacher awaringly describing lgbtq movement in the video.
God first brought the animals to Adam when attempting to ascertain a suitable companion for Adam. Adam was at least sufficiently relational with the animals to name them, but no suitable companion was found.
THEN, God caused the man to go into a deep sleep, and He made the woman. When Adam awoke and was presented with the woman, Adam emoted, rejoicing. THEN, God settled on that pairing.
Simply, there was an interactive process that occurred…not some original design, as conservatives like to parrot despite all the facts to the contrary.
Moreover, one could argue that this Genesis account is more about how the ideal pairing was achieved by pairing creatures who were more similar than dissimilar. So, why should this story be held up as a prohibition of coupling between the similarly-created (e.g. same sex persons)?
Moreover, given the almost dialectical process that plays out in ascertaining the ideal pairing, why is a similar back-and-forth not incumbent on people today? Are we stuck with the choices made during this original interactive process? If so, this could be taken to the point of absurdity if you insist that every man and woman match up as similarly as Adam and Eve. I don’t think so; shouldn’t people be allowed to love who they love following an interactive process in which they may end up emoting over the creature most similar to him/her (i.e., another of the same sex).
Besides, Jesus was not affirming these original choices as the construct for all people for all times. He was only saying that marriage is a lifetime commitment, and in doing so he referenced the Genesis account broadly to say that the unions that God has blessed (based on human interactive choices, no less) should not be casted away. To say he was going beyond that just overstates the case.
More can be said, but suffice it to say that these very privileged guys need to get out of their theological echo chambers and take another look at scripture…at the very least don’t be so flippant…be more pastoral.
Jesus believed that there was a design in them being male and female .
And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
Matthew 19:4-5 NASB2020
Not to mention Paul describing homosexual behavior as a sin in Romans and 1 Corinthians.
@@jocider5698 As I suggested in the sixth paragraph of my original post, I think religious conservatives twist Jesus’ words to argue that Jesus is advocating for some original design in that instance. While he may well have agreed with the conservative heteronormative argument, I think it twists his words in the context of Matthew 19 to suggest that he was arguing for only male-female unions. Given the context, he was clearly advancing the idea that marriage is a lifelong commitment…nothing more.
To suggest that by referencing Genesis, Jesus was establishing the premise that only male-female unions are legitimate is like saying that I as an American only conceive of Mercedes, BMW, and Volkswagen when discussing cars on the autobahn with a German…it’s just not the case…I’m also aware of Ford, GM, and Chevrolet…It’s just that I’m entering into my audience’s worldview by merely referencing Mercedes, BMW, and Volkswagen.
@@jocider5698 Also, there is an argument to be had that Paul is discussing temple worship and Romans and pederastry in Corinthians given the prevalence of such relationships in those societies. Reading into those context loving homosexual couples is seen by many as an overreach.
This is why I don’t take the Bible literally; I take it seriously though, even while realizing that men wrote it under God’s inspiration.
Similarly, men inspired by a sunrise or sunset have emoted about the sun rising and setting, even though the we know that that is just a matter of perspective; the sun neither rises or sets, but rather the Earth spins in its orbit such that only so much or the sun is visible from a fixed point on Earth at a given point in time. Simply, man’s perspective is limited. That’s why we must walk humbly, which includes not condemning others, especially those who just want to love one another-against which there is no law.
And that us why the genesis is not based on love but men's desire to hunt for their dream girls and pride among each other. Love Is from the mind and true love is enhanced by sensual touch. Such mind is in all if us, you cannot say to someone who likes pizza" no you like tacos and you should". Both likes food and both have love and sexual moments. Nothing is different except from discriminative claiming of words.
This is a perfect example of how toxic and dangerous Christianity really is. Truly astonishing that people still think this way.
How is it “toxic and dangerous”?
Because it’s the TRUTH??
I think allot of the "Kickback" is because of abuse, whether by Christians who bullied us or non-christians who bullied us as children. Being an LGBTQ individual made me so hated growing up. By other kids, by my parents, by Christians. I didn't choose to be this way. I liked other boys since as early as I could remember. I found love, acceptance, protection in a man and that was torn apart, ripped to pieces by my Christian parents, that caused us both to spiral into depression. It's constant suffering for me because of the abuse and hate of Christians. That's what Christians can't answer. Many conflicting opinions and Christians who contradict.
Without knowing what it's like to be attracted to the same sex, just as naturally as you are attracted to women, to be shunned, to be abused, to be bullied, to be verbally, physically and emotionally harassed, you know nothing. Atleast you can get married and relieve your s_xual needs, what about those in the LGBTQ? Are we just here to suffer? Why did God do this to so many people if we cant be LGBT?
Yikes. Y’all realize gay Christians exist and we find our identity in Christ - just as y’all do, right?
Yes, oh course, but remember, that Jesus tells all of us who would follow him to deny ourselves, don't set our minds on worldly things (such as having an identity the LGBTQ affirming community) but on heavenly things! Referencing Matthew 16 23b-24... And as you've probably been told, being straight doesn't get you into heaven, but Jesus instructs his followers, to be holy, as he is holy, this including being overall sexually moral, and pure... Would a straight man join an 'Adultury pride' affirming culture if he professes to follow Christ? if this is somehow a thing, this kind of person would be in error, and would need to test himself, to see if he's in the faith, likewise, a Gay affirming man who also professes to follow Christ.
I hope this doesn't come off as impolite, but its what the bible teaches about this stuff. Hope this helps to clarify, and sharpen! =)
That’s incorrect according to scripture. A person must renounce that sinful desire and turn to Jesus. (See 1 Cor. 6:11) So that particular terminology is oxymoronic. It doesn’t exist.
Sadly , they aren’t two feet in
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. ~ 1 Corinthians 6
19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” ~ 2 Timothy 2
no such thing as a gay christian
You guys are what Paul was talking about when he said men with men. You have the same lust for each other the serpent had for Eve.
the two men in the video? no they are not lgbt, nor supporters
@@swampperson2577 just because their not supporters doesn't mean they're not lgbtq. Your orientation doesn't care if you support it or not. It is what it is.
Wow another weak troll attempt on a different video. You just keep popping up on these.
@@daltonadger6489 hey I'm just here to discuss the literature.
@@dansaber8435 accusing the men in this video of lusting for each other isn’t “discussing the literature,” it’s obvious (and not particularly good) trolling.
It's spooky that you take the bible as a book of historical facts...
It's terrifying that you do not!
@@Dashemze cause it has nothing to do with facts. This book just shaped world's history and not in a good way.
@@smiledonor2335 how not in a good way? And what facts do you have for this topic of LQBTQ+? Isn’t it just your opinion?
@@zachpatton8110 Just watch Pray Away and you'll see. For me God is love. And hurting other people because they are themselves has nothing to do with love...
@@smiledonor2335 if that’s true then you don’t believe in the “God” of the Bible. Jesus offended tons of people because of his teachings. Many left him because of what he preached. God IS love, but he is also truth. Gods teachings are in the Bible. He judges based on peoples actions. That’s why there is a hell and a heaven. Supporting things that are opposite of Gods word is sin.