I used to think modern players were more skilled offensively, less skilled defensively, but I have since thrashed that opinion. Why ? Old players outside of the 3 point shot were just as skilled, it's just that they either played in slower pace/more defensive eras with stricter offensive rules and they also couldn't take 4 steps, flop, avoid mind games, avoid getting punished...etc. like modern players. But I also have to give more credit towards modern defensive players, the rules are absolutely AGAINST them, they can't handcheck, they gotta deal with all the carrying and ignored rules that ignore basketball logic completely, they have to space to 3 point land...etc. Full respect to guys like Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart, Giannis Antetokounmpo..etc. for keeping defense alive in a era where it's tough to play defense.
@@jonnstewart2023 To be fair, he was defending dudes like Harden who would get a call for hooking dudes arms outta their shoulder. He a bitch for it regardless but its understandable.
People like to make fun of the dribbling of old-school players, but modern players would just average 10 turnovers a game back then because of all the travel calls
You can take as many steps as you want while dribbling. The ball isn’t considered gathered until it stops moving(spinning in hand), and most of the carries the hands were to the side of the ball not necessarily under the ball
most of the travels he shows are not violations because they're not carrying the ball as their hands are on top of the ball or on its side, meaning they are still dribbling the ball so steps are not limited. Most of the uncalled travels in the nba go unnoticed by the fans and come on step-back moves, even with the gather step. Literally every other step-back seems to be a travel if you look closely.
thats why its crazy when people point out how older players in the 70s weren't good ball handlers. They use to make you keep your hand on top of the ball when dribbling, even the side of the ball would be called palming. It is so much harder to change direction with speed if you dribble like that!
its just like what jimmy said... you can do it without breaking the rules but the NBA wants more money thats why they are allowing it. now you know how it feels when you watch a game with a casual fan who thinks its an awesome move... while you just shake your head in disbelief.
Idk non of them are really to bad because they don’t really put there hand underneath the ball it’s more on the side which is allowed as long as the ball is still moving in your hand and doesn’t completely stop then your good and you can take as many steps as possible in between dribbles
Nah a lot of these were pretty bad and would've definitely been called travel or carry in the 90s. The rules have definitely been loosened. This is one of the reasons why basketball in the 50s sucked tbh. The rules were too strict. People were taught to only put the hand on top of the ball (not even the side) so this is why the dribbling looked so primitive and many players only dribbled with one hand. Switching hands was too risky because it's hard to switch hands when you can't put your hand on the side. Bob Cousy was similar to AI in a way because he used to do a behind the back dribble that's very common nowadays but back then people said he was getting away with a palming violation (a carry nowadays).
Bro you can't travel while you're dribbling, it would only be a carry. I don't understand why he's highlighting the steps in between each dribble, you can take as many as you want as long as that ball still live.
and you literally cannot jump and take 2 steps then put it down like how ja did but the nba is the nba and i admit its fun to watxh him catch a body so idrc
i did like the overall point of this video thay Jxmy made but some of the examples are kinda questionable. It sorta feels like he thinks most hesitations are travels, like the Jordan Poole on Clarkson clip he counted steps but like, he’s doing a hesi, that’s a live dribble still. steps only count once you gather the ball. if you want to argue he carried (which i don’t think he did bc i always saw a carry is when you palms are facing upwards for the most part) then fine, i’d disagree but fine. still like the video concept though
@@raymondgarcia2927 it doesn’t seem like he does. i swear he does this a lot, where his overall point is cool and it’s a nice video concept but some of his examples to support his argument or claims just don’t make sense if you watch it over more than 1 second. i love his content though but i wish he cleaned some of that stuff up
@@raymondgarcia2927 to my understanding for some of them hes counting steps after a carry, because a carry can also be a gather. But for others i really have no idea why hes counting the rules are aslong as u got a live dribble you can moonwalk and do wahtever
They do need to do something about it tbh. Just cuz they score more doesn't mean the product is better. When you allow lawlessness like this it ruins the purity of the sport that made me fall in love with the sport because of the Kobes and Tim Duncans etc. I don't partake in any of the BS "X player would be better/worse in X era" stuff but I don't know how people watch mfs just walk around the court chucking up threes and not playing defense and say its better than previous eras.
Guys like this RUclipsr just want players to be able to do wherever they want with no repercussions. If these guys are so great they should be able to play within the rules players had to before. If they’re so “skilled” shouldn’t be a problem.
@@Ues2DC Nah I hear what Clique is saying but he's also very young and I think with time he'll realize that the flashy highlights don't matter when guys quite literally can't play defense. Its all a marketing ploy and Clique is literally the prime target audience for the NBA
@@timlett99 Definitely agree. The thing I'll add is that it also takes the excitement out of the game for me. It was exciting watching great players trying to put up big numbers against great defense, or failing to do so because the defense contained them. All these rule changes since when I watched in my younger years have removed that aspect of the game. And I don't fault the players at all for it, they play to the rules they're given as always, I just don't understand why the NBA decided to ruin it's product.
Only two of those were even travels. Although, pretty much all of them were carrying (though it could be ambiguous as most of them were holding the ball on the side and it is only a carry if the ball stops moving in their hand).
I never understood why in football people accept that different levels have different rules but in baskbetball if they aren't allowing plays like they do in the NBA somehow it's a bad call.
some of these aren't carries tho. if the hand doesn't go under the ball it's not a carry. you can put your hand on the side of the ball and let the ball "float".
This is what happens when you dont follow the rules and the refs dont u enforce it. There becomes this grey area not just in nba they need to all get on the same page and not pick and choose when they call it. This is kinda shit that starts fights when you and you're bros are playin pickup.. 😅
@@thecupofbrew7955 my point is they changed the game so players could score more w.e you say them facts It's no more defense in the game the players today not better you put Isiah Thomas in today's game and he could do what they doing in this video he a be better than he was in the late 80s
Man, I'm not even a good ball handler (at least in my opinion) but even I can still break down defenses without violations being called on me, just a clean, quick cross, pull back, hezi into another crossover and a jumper or drive to the rim
13:45 why the fuck lebron not on this list? Man averaged 25 in the 2020 season and 30 in the 2021 season. Figured the list was weird so I checked. But what the fuck tho.
Lol basically you’re saying you don’t care about the rules because you want to see the game you want to see it. So why not say I don’t care if they take 5 steps w no call. Hey as long as it’s “entertaining” right? Trash outlook.
Players are not better now it's just no defense it's a different league the rules was changed for more scoring Put some old school greats in today's league The would avg more points
this video just made me realize how insane AI would’ve been in todays era , 31 PPG back then is so crazy he would’ve gone off in todays game
And he woulda been getting cooked at the same time lmap
He carried the ball in every play tho, he Was already breaking the rules
Lol AI should be happy he played in the era he did. With social media today they would have clowned him constantly
@@pocata195 and they called 100x more then in this era
Seems like the saying "Rules are meant to be broken" is also applicable in NBA
I used to think modern players were more skilled offensively, less skilled defensively, but I have since thrashed that opinion. Why ? Old players outside of the 3 point shot were just as skilled, it's just that they either played in slower pace/more defensive eras with stricter offensive rules and they also couldn't take 4 steps, flop, avoid mind games, avoid getting punished...etc. like modern players.
But I also have to give more credit towards modern defensive players, the rules are absolutely AGAINST them, they can't handcheck, they gotta deal with all the carrying and ignored rules that ignore basketball logic completely, they have to space to 3 point land...etc.
Full respect to guys like Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart, Giannis Antetokounmpo..etc. for keeping defense alive in a era where it's tough to play defense.
jrue and giannis i respect but not smart , that dude flops every play
@@jonnstewart2023 you don't watch hime play then lmao stfu
@@jonnstewart2023 To be fair, he was defending dudes like Harden who would get a call for hooking dudes arms outta their shoulder. He a bitch for it regardless but its understandable.
People like to make fun of the dribbling of old-school players, but modern players would just average 10 turnovers a game back then because of all the travel calls
You can take as many steps as you want while dribbling. The ball isn’t considered gathered until it stops moving(spinning in hand), and most of the carries the hands were to the side of the ball not necessarily under the ball
You can take as many steps as you want as long as the ball is NOT in your hand. Otherwise you're limited to the gather + 2 steps.
@@OminousShadow if you haven’t gathered the ball yet, you can take as many steps as you want, even if your hand is touching the ball
Not following the rules does not make you a better player. Of course they scored more they don't have to abide by any rules anymore.
most of the travels he shows are not violations because they're not carrying the ball as their hands are on top of the ball or on its side, meaning they are still dribbling the ball so steps are not limited. Most of the uncalled travels in the nba go unnoticed by the fans and come on step-back moves, even with the gather step. Literally every other step-back seems to be a travel if you look closely.
@@jeffmousebeans5055 i noticed that too. Solid vid but he shoulda known u are allowed unlimited steps in between dribbles
thats why its crazy when people point out how older players in the 70s weren't good ball handlers. They use to make you keep your hand on top of the ball when dribbling, even the side of the ball would be called palming. It is so much harder to change direction with speed if you dribble like that!
They did AI dirty for no reason the might have won a ring in this type of calls
its just like what jimmy said... you can do it without breaking the rules but the NBA wants more money thats why they are allowing it. now you know how it feels when you watch a game with a casual fan who thinks its an awesome move... while you just shake your head in disbelief.
This came into play in Warriors @ Heat game with Jordan Poole. Apparently the NBA is trying to crack down on it we'll see if they can keep on it.
Jimmy is talking like an old head 💀😂😂
You should react to Alvini saying Victor is a bust
bro hadn't even been drafted
Ain’t no way he said that
@@Phobicisalive00 he compared him to Kristaps lol
@@billnye1329 bruh and Kristaps aint even a bust as well. The hell lmao
@@billnye1329 I mean is kristaps called a bust
Idk non of them are really to bad because they don’t really put there hand underneath the ball it’s more on the side which is allowed as long as the ball is still moving in your hand and doesn’t completely stop then your good and you can take as many steps as possible in between dribbles
pretty sure he talks about this exact point in the video lol
@@launchbase4944 no he doesn't
Nah a lot of these were pretty bad and would've definitely been called travel or carry in the 90s. The rules have definitely been loosened. This is one of the reasons why basketball in the 50s sucked tbh. The rules were too strict. People were taught to only put the hand on top of the ball (not even the side) so this is why the dribbling looked so primitive and many players only dribbled with one hand. Switching hands was too risky because it's hard to switch hands when you can't put your hand on the side. Bob Cousy was similar to AI in a way because he used to do a behind the back dribble that's very common nowadays but back then people said he was getting away with a palming violation (a carry nowadays).
love your vids ❤ much love from Hungary
3:26 but kawhi took that as an advantage to win a championship
fr tho, i got weirded out when he said that wasn't a advantage lmao
@@Iordvon same he travelled and they didn't call it and he scored the game winning basket
Oh yes, they only had to win bucks and warriors after that. Not a big deal for you...
Bro you can't travel while you're dribbling, it would only be a carry. I don't understand why he's highlighting the steps in between each dribble, you can take as many as you want as long as that ball still live.
i think his point is that hes taking so many steps his hand is under the ball in most cases or else he cant take 50 steps
and you literally cannot jump and take 2 steps then put it down like how ja did but the nba is the nba and i admit its fun to watxh him catch a body so idrc
Yea while you are dribbling you can take as many steps as you want
i did like the overall point of this video thay Jxmy made but some of the examples are kinda questionable. It sorta feels like he thinks most hesitations are travels, like the Jordan Poole on Clarkson clip
he counted steps but like, he’s doing a hesi, that’s a live dribble still. steps only count once you gather the ball. if you want to argue he carried (which i don’t think he did bc i always saw a carry is when you palms are facing upwards for the most part) then fine, i’d disagree but fine.
still like the video concept though
Yeah fr. I’m not sure he understands that steps between dribbles don’t count?
@@raymondgarcia2927 it doesn’t seem like he does. i swear he does this a lot, where his overall point is cool and it’s a nice video concept but some of his examples to support his argument or claims just don’t make sense if you watch it over more than 1 second.
i love his content though but i wish he cleaned some of that stuff up
@@raymondgarcia2927 to my understanding for some of them hes counting steps after a carry, because a carry can also be a gather. But for others i really have no idea why hes counting the rules are aslong as u got a live dribble you can moonwalk and do wahtever
Jimmy on his oldhead shit rn
Fr 💀😂😂
They do need to do something about it tbh. Just cuz they score more doesn't mean the product is better. When you allow lawlessness like this it ruins the purity of the sport that made me fall in love with the sport because of the Kobes and Tim Duncans etc. I don't partake in any of the BS "X player would be better/worse in X era" stuff but I don't know how people watch mfs just walk around the court chucking up threes and not playing defense and say its better than previous eras.
Guys like this RUclipsr just want players to be able to do wherever they want with no repercussions. If these guys are so great they should be able to play within the rules players had to before. If they’re so “skilled” shouldn’t be a problem.
@@Ues2DC Nah I hear what Clique is saying but he's also very young and I think with time he'll realize that the flashy highlights don't matter when guys quite literally can't play defense. Its all a marketing ploy and Clique is literally the prime target audience for the NBA
@@timlett99 Definitely agree. The thing I'll add is that it also takes the excitement out of the game for me. It was exciting watching great players trying to put up big numbers against great defense, or failing to do so because the defense contained them. All these rule changes since when I watched in my younger years have removed that aspect of the game. And I don't fault the players at all for it, they play to the rules they're given as always, I just don't understand why the NBA decided to ruin it's product.
The Dame and Curry ones, weren't travels
Only two of those were even travels. Although, pretty much all of them were carrying (though it could be ambiguous as most of them were holding the ball on the side and it is only a carry if the ball stops moving in their hand).
Jimmy just don't want players to do handles, or drive to the basket, because they "break the rules" like shut the hell up
I never understood why in football people accept that different levels have different rules but in baskbetball if they aren't allowing plays like they do in the NBA somehow it's a bad call.
Do a Giannis career sim if he played in the 80s
Great video
some of these aren't carries tho. if the hand doesn't go under the ball it's not a carry. you can put your hand on the side of the ball and let the ball "float".
Except most of them do have their hands underneath the ball
the thing is almost every nba player is putting their hand under the ball for a split second
That’s what’s highlighted in the video, hand under the ball to help get more steps in or misdirection
Harden got an MVP and 2 scoring titles. Doubt anything anyone does matters by this point.
@3:25 I don’t know if he would’ve cared if it was the Knicks to go to the finals and get decided by that shot. Buuuutt thats just my opinion
This is what happens when you dont follow the rules and the refs dont u enforce it. There becomes this grey area not just in nba they need to all get on the same page and not pick and choose when they call it. This is kinda shit that starts fights when you and you're bros are playin pickup.. 😅
why have a travel all together, right? if its a rule, its a rule..
BHS 😂😂
embiid benefiting the most cuz of looser rules...who would have thought
Celtics rondo is the greatest PG I ever seen but I never seen magic so don't kill me but he was the most complete PG there was
No defense and u get to travel
😂 But the players now a days supposed to be better
Hand checking and hitting people out the air isn't defense. You could invalidate so many plays just by doing that shit that's why it got changed
@@thecupofbrew7955 my point is they changed the game so players could score more w.e you say them facts
It's no more defense in the game the players today not better you put Isiah Thomas in today's game and he could do what they doing in this video he a be better than he was in the late 80s
@@9181sam source???????????
@@9181sam no he wouldn't lmao
W vidya
Man, I'm not even a good ball handler (at least in my opinion) but even I can still break down defenses without violations being called on me, just a clean, quick cross, pull back, hezi into another crossover and a jumper or drive to the rim
That's why European basketball is better to watch
13:45 why the fuck lebron not on this list? Man averaged 25 in the 2020 season and 30 in the 2021 season. Figured the list was weird so I checked. But what the fuck tho.
old players wouldnt be much better than they were, although they have to skill to pull off the moves, defenses are better.
You’re joking, defenses have clearly become less effective over the decades… you’re actually smoking reefer
3:30 sorry mega L take. rules are there for a reason.
Who cares? It’s not an advantage if everyone could do it
That 2019 Raptors team has the biggest fraud ring in NBA history
Funny that jimmy made a thinking basketball video but worse
Lol basically you’re saying you don’t care about the rules because you want to see the game you want to see it. So why not say I don’t care if they take 5 steps w no call. Hey as long as it’s “entertaining” right? Trash outlook.
Old players: Steph ruined the game
Jimmy: actually it's AI who ruined the game
Cool
Lmao all those starting comments are so dumb, definitely not a travel, that's a stepback. James Harden, Curry, etc. do that all the time.
Players are not better now it's just no defense it's a different league the rules was changed for more scoring
Put some old school greats in today's league
The would avg more points