And if he didn't, he would have been killed or captured by the Japanese. If captured, he might spill military secrets to them because of torture. The best choice was to leave. Anything else would have prolonged the war, and the Philippines would have been in Japan's hands for longer.
Yeah, MacArthur did not want to leave the Philippines. He was straight up ignoring advice from other generals and admirals to leave. It had to take those direct orders for him to leave cause that he couldn’t ignore. This is why before he left he made his famous declaration that “I shall return.” Also, quite the deva in terms of listening to others which in the end got him in trouble with President Truman during the Korean War.
Definitely a good distinction. A modern bunker buster such as the Howitzer-based GBU-28 he discussed in another video would easily make it through this thing. But doing so took nearly a century of advancement.
But pretty much nothing short of that. I'm fairly confident that aside from modern bunker busters you would need something like a nuclear bomb to actually erase it and up until high end yields the thing to kill the crew would be radiation though the air vents and not the blast.
Sounds super boring with no challenge whatsoever. Playing on sandbox mode lol, Give yourself a challenge at least. Start of any game I max out difficulty. Probably one of the fastest way to get good.
I learned about Unit 731 because I saw a hardcore band from Pittsburgh named "Unit 731" and looked them up after the show and only got info on the war crimes and not a band.
@@BloPsy_Actualpeople always try to justify it being like oh at least we got a bunch of useful info out of pardoning them when we really didn't, they did a shit ass job actually recording stuff and most of their tests weren't things that were going to give any useful data anyhow it was just torture disguised as medical testing. Pretty much the only thing I know that came out of there with any use, and it's still honestly not much cause we would have figured it out in a better way eventually, is how much of the human body is water by weighing someone before and after removing all the water from their body
Main things you hear about the Pacific is: Pearl Harbor, Midway, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, and the A-bombs. Rest of the stuff you kind of have to actually look into, like the Philippines, Guadalcanal, Saipan (a.k.a. Pacific D-day), Coral Sea, Leyte Gulf, and many other battles, as well as the atrocities carried out by the Japanese during those times (like the Bataan Death March). Interestingly enough, Saipan and Guadalcanal even have semi-recent movies based off said battles (Windtalkers and Thin Red Line respectively), both of which I personally like
Yeah it's probably cause of the a bombs. There's so much of a push to say that they were cruel and unnecessary that they hide the fact that the Japanese absolutely got what was coming to them and that would absolutely ruin their claims.
Hi! Been a little burnt out and trying to relax where I can. I'm happy to bring more laughter to you all! From everything I've heard on the decision to retreat to Australia, it was the better decisions to be made.
As some of the comments have already said, MacArthur was ordered to leave the Philippines by Roosevelt himself. I grew up in California, but I think I only learned as much about the Pacific theater as I did due to my history teachers being really thorough.
Thats called "saving face". Nobody would question Frankin Roosevelt because he was actually a great guy, but you're kidding yourself if you genuinely think that Douglas McArthur was a selfless man, even his own troops knew he was a spineless coward and the philippines branded him a traitor and a scoundrel after abandoning them with his family in tow. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who actually stayed to support the Philippine Resistance Forces after McArthur left. Your theory of America wanting to avoid the same humiliation england suffered in singapore falls flat on his face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright stayed in the Philippines to help fight against the imperial japanese invasion and was hailed as a hero by the Filipino people, especially after he was liberated from a prison camp in Manchukuo. So tell me who is the hero? The man who fought with his allied brothers in arms to the end? Or the man who ran with his tail between his legs and his family in tow at the first sign of trouble? The "Roosevelt ordering McArthr to retreat" theory falls flat on its face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright didnt retreat, and instead fought all the way from manila to corregidor for months and ended up in the infamous bataan death march in service of freedom and democracy. THAT is Sacrifice, and the man deserves all the respect. And to be clear, we've forgiven america long ago for what was admittedly a retrospectively wise retreat, but we will never forgive McArthur. There is a reason our grandparents called that🐍"dugout doug".
MacArthur was ordered out by FDR to avoid the humiliation the British suffered when Singapore fell in having a high ranking General forced to surrender to the Japanese. He would have stayed to the last, but didn't believe he could refuse a presidential order and so left, famously declaring 'I will return'. He also was against using the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, instead wanting to invade the home islands as he didn't believe the science fiction he figured the bombs were.
Thats called "saving face". Nobody would question Frankin Roosevelt because he was actually a great guy, but you're kidding yourself if you genuinely think that Douglas McArthur was a selfless man, even his own troops knew he was a spineless coward and the philippines branded him a traitor and a scoundrel after abandoning them with his family in tow. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who actually stayed to support the Philippine Resistance Forces after McArthur left. Your theory of America wanting to avoid the same humiliation england suffered in singapore falls flat on his face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright stayed in the Philippines to help fight against the imperial japanese invasion and was hailed as a hero by the Filipino people, especially after he was liberated from a prison camp in Manchukuo. So tell me who is the hero? The man who fought with his allied brothers in arms to the end? Or the man who ran with his tail between his legs and his family in tow at the first sign of trouble? The "Roosevelt ordering McArthr to retreat" theory falls flat on its face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright didnt retreat, and instead fought all the way from manila to corregidor for months and ended up in the infamous bataan death march in service of freedom and democracy. THAT is Sacrifice, and the man deserves all the respect. And to be clear, we've forgiven america long ago for what was admittedly a retrospectively wise retreat, but we will never forgive McArthur. There is a reason our grandparents called that🐍"dugout doug".
@@clothokaftanyou know maybe you should keep something that you claim the Philippines as a whole agree with as just your own opinion when an internet search would show the opposite of what you claim
I never claimed he was a good man. The idiot was willing to send hundreds of thousands of American men to a fucking meat grinder invading Japan because he felt slighted. He also OUT RANKED the man left behind, so YES, it would have been more humiliating for MacArthur to have been captured. It is not a theory that he was ordered out. He WAS ordered to leave by Roosevelt. I never stated he would have stayed because he was selfless. He would have stayed because he would have preferred to fight and die with 'honor' than accept he was in a loosing situation. Or seek a way to evacuate US and Pilipino soldiers to continue the fight where there was less of a disadvantage. You seem to be under the impression I like McArthur. I don't. The man was as bad as Patton was ego wise, with few of the tactical acumen traits that only slightly redeemed Patton. So, perhaps instead of hounding people on the internet and putting words in their mouths, actually read what was stated. I never claimed he was a good man. I never claimed he was selfless. He was ordered out by Presidential order, that is a KNOWN fact. not a fabrication written by later historians like the Third Wave myth of Pearl Harbor. My statement about him being against the use of nuclear weapons was a shot at his idiocy and need for blood instead of taking the option that might end the war quicker with far fewer casualties overall. So if I somehow offended you, sorry but I only stated a fact. you are the one who put words in my mouth and ranted about it.@@clothokaftan
At that point they were a proven weapon, so he was all for using them then. It was understandable to be skeptical before they were used as few military leaders not in the loop would likely believe a single bomb could utterly level a city when hundreds of bombers dropping thousands of bombs didn't. He also just didn't want to be denied his invasion of Japan at the time, so that could have played a part. @@jayeisenhardt1337
General MacArthur acrually wanted to stay & "share the fate of the garrison" either surrender or fight to the end. The only reason he left is because FDR told him to leave, him being one of the more experienced American generals in regards to fighting the Japanese at the time, FDR probably made the right call.
Thats called "saving face". Nobody would question Frankin Roosevelt because he was actually a great guy, but you're kidding yourself if you genuinely think that Douglas McArthur was a selfless man, even his own troops knew he was a spineless coward and the philippines branded him a traitor and a scoundrel after abandoning them with his family in tow. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who actually stayed to support the Philippine Resistance Forces after McArthur left. Your theory of America wanting to avoid the same humiliation england suffered in singapore falls flat on his face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright stayed in the Philippines to help fight against the imperial japanese invasion and was hailed as a hero by the Filipino people, especially after he was liberated from a prison camp in Manchukuo. So tell me who is the hero? The man who fought with his allied brothers in arms to the end? Or the man who ran with his tail between his legs and his family in tow at the first sign of trouble? The "Roosevelt ordering McArthr to retreat" theory falls flat on its face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright didnt retreat, and instead fought all the way from manila to corregidor for months and ended up in the infamous bataan death march in service of freedom and democracy. THAT is Sacrifice, and the man deserves all the respect. And to be clear, we've forgiven america long ago for what was admittedly a retrospectively wise retreat, but we will never forgive McArthur. There is a reason our grandparents called that🐍"dugout doug".
13:00 -ish: Full disclosure, I am no fan of MacArthur; if you want to know why, we'll be here all day...However, giving credit where it is due, Doug only went to Australia when FDR specifically ordered him to go. Personally, I would have told him to stay on Corregidor to the end, but since MacArthur had spent the previous almost-two-decades being the face of the US Army, and had propped himself up as a heroic figure to both the American and Filipino people, _and_ FDR was in dire need of heroes in 1942, FDR ordered him to escape.....But MacA was still a douche: middling staff guy, okay tactical leader, terrible strategic commander - which was why Marshall was made Chief of Staff of the Army (the Army's top commander), and later Secretary of State, instead of MacA.
MacArthur also rolled tanks on US military vets (the Bonus Army) during the Great Depression and tried to court-martial Wainwright for cowardice after the latter surrendered the Philippine Garrison to Japan
Something to clarify about with the sinking of the USS Maine and the Spanish American War, the sinking of the USS Maine was part of an extremely far reaching world domination initiative called "Manifest Destiny", which started with the purging of almost all native americans, the conquest, vassalization, and eventual integration of the hawaiian islands, claiming cuba, guam and puerto rico from spain, and the purchase of the philippines to america for a paltry $20,000,000. Which personally i find gravely insulting, as if we were treated like some sort of commodity. For context, Spain at this point wasnt doing too well considering their monarchy was falling apart and they were losing their grip on the colonies they tortured for five centuries. Spain had no political power left and america could have easily conquered them. What they dont tell you is that the whole thing was staged, the USS Maine was either likely sunk by an onboard accident that detonated its magazine, or was deliberately sunk by america. Either way it gave America the Casus Belli they needed to go to war with spain, and more importantly the Spanish Territories of Central America, Micronesia, and Southeast Asia. Additionally the Spanish American war by philippine historian accounts was also staged, the entire naval battle in manila bay was a ruse and all the ships that were sunk were empty husks without a single person aboard, the "battle" itself was so lethargic that it almost appeared to be a naval exercise instead of a battle of attrition. The surrender of the Philippines to america was clearly planned in advance by both america and spain since it was sold too quickly, the agreement was drawn up too fast and without any ratifications, and the payment was already ready before the ink had a chance to dry. The deal was finalized with the Treaty of Paris in December 10, 1898. The Spanish American War in total only lasted all of 10 weeks, which is the most telltale sign for how rigged it was. Let me also clarify that we all consider our "first" (puppet) President Emilio Aguinaldo as a traitor for empowering America to conquer the Philippines and deny our Independence from us. And i personally would love to strike him off the Official Register of Historic Philippine Presidents if i could. Spain was well aware that they were going to lose the Philippines either way since by this point the KKK (Kataastaasang, Kagalanggalangang Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan" / Supreme and Honorable Society of the Children of the Nation) and their War of Independence was already drawing to a close with almost total control over the philippines, we had almost won our independence all by ourselves. Then america showed up and insulted our tenacity and will to be a free nation by making the Philippines a protectorate state of America. We did not allow it, and so the Philippine American War began almost immediately after the Spanish American war and was a stalemate for 3 years before Heneral Andrés Bonifacio called a cessation of hostilities due to not wanting to see any more bloodshed. At this time the annexation of the Philippines by Imperial America was met with very negative domestic sentiment by the american people and their rallying cry for supporting Philippine Independence forced the Imperialist Government to concede and promised to reform the Philippines gradually with a transitional government until eventually leading to formal Independence. But well, WW2 got in the way of that and things went t1ts waaay up. We were eventually granted Independence in July 4, 1946. But most filipinos prefer to believe that we were already free from the moment we broke away from the Tyrannical 500 year Spanish rule and consider our independence as June 12, 1898. Most americans today dont even know that the philippine american war ever happened, but it did. And i'd like to think it helped america grow into the freedom loving country it is today, even if they are spending entires nations GDP's worth on freedom dispensers. Since then the Philippines became America's closest and oldest ally in asia with a mutual defense treaty & enhanced defense cooperation agreement as part of the 1st island chain defensive line; we were the 5th state to recognize south koreas sovereignty and independence, and helped america and the UN in the korean war, as well as being the only asian country to vote in favor of the creation of israel. With 32 votes for, 13 against, and 10 abstentions, the philippines was the final vote (2/3 majority) that decided whether or not israel would exist today. In line with that the philippines also made a commitment at the time to shelter jews from around the world in 1934, under the admittance of President Manuel L. Quezon and U.S. High Commissioner Paul V. McNutt. And on the South Koreans side of the fence, besides our contributions during the US & UN led counteroffensive in the korean war (particularly the Battle of Yultong and Battle of Eerie Hill); we assisted with the post-war efforts of rebuilding South Koreas economy and their peoples lives by building schools, roads, bridges, clinics, hospitals, etc. and dedicated huge swaths of our overseas workers to supporting the institutions built at the time, many of the republic of koreas laws, constitutions, and policies are either borrowed from or modified from the republic of the philippines counterparts. And our dedication to learning and teaching english early on influenced how South Korea eventually became the economic powerhouse it is today. And you know what palestine? We dont regret it. We still believe to this day that the jews deserved salvation from their persecutions in ww2, and that they deserved to return to their ancestral home. While you dont deserve any pity or quarter for what you have done, you, the iranians, and whoever else thinks its funny to make terror groups with "plausible deniability" hocus pocus bs, dont deserve another chance after so many concessions and peace deals. Is some of what israel is doing wrong? yes. Are you just as guilty of doing wrong? Absolutely, dont play victim when you have a poisoned dagger behind your back.
There is nowhere on the internet that calls the Spanish American War rigged, the sinking of the Maine was most definitely an accident and it wasn’t the only reason, with Cuba’s struggle for independence and yellow journalism also being a factor in the war, also the war started in April 21st and ended in December. 10 weeks doesn’t equal 7 months, 2 weeks, and 5 days. I have looked into the internet and couldn’t find any site that stated who voted what in the creation of Israel so I can’t say anything against that point. Both South Korea and the Philippines had their system influenced by the United States, especially South Korea during the Cold War, and finally, the leader of Palestine has denounced Hamas, just won’t go public with it due to the ongoing war in Gaza.
@@Crttyt67who do you think controls the internet? america would never dare let such a dark smear on their history stick out like a sore thumb, all historical records were erased to keep our allied relations with america, but our grandparents never forgot and taught us the truth. The Spanish American war was a joke, the USS. Maine was an excuse, America back then was hellbent on conquest, and Douglas McArthur was a traitor. (President Franklin D. Roosevelt made it look like a direct order to retreat to save face, the reason for being that they didnt want to face the same humiliation england faced for the capture of their general in singapore. but everyone in my country considers Douglas McArthur a traitor, the real hero was Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright.)
You do realize who controls the internet right? Of course there wouldnt be anything about it on the internet, our education system only teaches as much as the events that happened but nothing about eyewitness accounts of said events, all historical records were erased to preserve the allied relations between the philippines and america. Only our grandparents know the truth and that truth persists only through oral records. The spanish american war was a hoax, the sinking of the uss maine was an unfortunate incident that created the perfect excuse for war, the real war was the philippine american war, our independence was won by us in 1898, not 1946, and douglas mcarthur was a traitor and scoundrel. Taken from one of one of my other comments in this video, Douglas McArthur was "officially" ordered by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to retreat to Australia and abandon the Philippines, unofficially he abandoned the country with his family at the first sign of trouble. The "official order" from on high was just a lie to save face, since they didnt want to face the same humiliation that england suffered from the capture of their general in singapore. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who stayed behind while Dugout Doug ran with his tail between his legs, fought the invaders for months from manila to corregidor, before ordering the complete ceasefire of allied forces in May 6, 1942. Then was dragged into the infamous bataan d@&% march, before spending the rest of the war in a prison camp in manchukuo. America may have absolved Douglas McArthur of any crime, but who do think the Philippines venerate? I can tell you it isnt Dugout Doug. Edit: also, what do you think "plausible deniability" is? of course palestine would denounce hamas, just as iran will likely denounce houthi, they created those terror groups to give them an army that can theoretically strike america and other allied powers without political ramifications, of course america would never fall for such an amateur tactic, but the average dimly lit citizen would take palestines side over the worlds peacekeeper just because theyre gullible and easily swayed. But why would palestine and iran make terror groups instead of a standing army? Well... ask "Operation Praying Mantis" that question.
You do realize who controls the internet right? Of course there wouldnt be anything about it on the internet, our education system only teaches as much as the events that happened but nothing about eyewitness accounts of said events, all historical records were erased to preserve the allied relations between the philippines and america. Only our grandparents know the truth and that truth persists only through oral records. The spanish american war was a hoax, the sinking of the uss maine was an unfortunate incident that created the perfect excuse for war, the real war was the philippine american war, our independence was won by us in 1898, not 1946, and douglas mcarthur was a traitor and scoundrel. Taken from one of one of my other comments in this video, Douglas McArthur was "officially" ordered by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to retreat to Australia and abandon the Philippines, unofficially he abandoned the country with his family at the first sign of trouble. The "official order" from on high was just a lie to save face, since they didnt want to face the same humiliation that england suffered from the capture of their general in singapore. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who stayed behind while Dugout Doug ran with his tail between his legs, fought the invaders for months from manila to corregidor, before ordering the complete ceasefire of allied forces in May 6, 1942. Then was dragged into the infamous bataan (censored) march, before spending the rest of the war in a prison camp in manchukuo. America may have absolved Douglas McArthur of any crime, but who do think the Philippines venerate? I can tell you it isnt Dugout Doug. Edit: also, what do you think "plausible deniability" is? of course palestine would denounce hamas, just as iran will likely denounce houthi, they created those terror groups to give them an army that can theoretically strike america and other allied powers without political ramifications, of course america would never fall for such an amateur tactic, but the average citizen would take palestines side over the worlds peacekeeper just because theyre gullible and easily swayed. But why would palestine and iran make terror groups instead of a standing army? Well... ask "Operation Praying Mantis" that question. Also i know you are flagging my last 2 comments to keep them hidden so you can make me look like im staying quiet.
This is awesome. I get to watch fat electrician videos with his original content and then a few days later I get to watch kip expand on his historical points and the laugh just makes my day. For ever FE video I then turn around and rewatch with Kip. It’s great.
This was a good video that I was eagerly waiting for your reaction to. Knew when I saw it that them bringing in the engineers would get you excited. I should say I write this before watching the video
In RI, we glazed over internment camps, and in NC, we did the same in Civics when we glazed over Koramatsu vs. The US, but we didn’t go over it much. I know what I do because I had a great uncle who was on a battleship during a Pacific battle, but I'm not sure which.
America: Turns an island into a nigh indestructible concrete "battleship". Netherland: Disguises a boat into a island to escape the Japanese. United Kingdom: Makes a chicken based nuclear landmine. Military history (and history in general) is serious business ... right until you stumble into clown-world (affectionate).
In McArthurs case yes he was ordered to leave by FDR so it's fine (orders are orders). He was, however a duche and a mid skill commander that got lucky a few times (and started believing his own hype). Pearl harbour sent out a radio message that they were attacked by Japan, and any normal CO would have put the forces under his command on alert (since you know...war). He did not and that's why Japan got the islands so fast. Japan would have still gotten them (probably) but it would have taken more time and cost more of their soldiers lives to conquer the Philipines.
The only thing I remember learning about the Pacific front in WW2 was the Japanese attack on China, Imperial Japan's treatment of it's citizens and prisoners, the Yamato, and the atomic bombs. All other knowledge of the Pacific front is from the internet.
I mean its kind of hard to miss when all of the major ports in manila go right by the thing, even at night its hard not to spot. So of course it would get a lot of attention from documentaries and the like.
Yeah fun fact after this video came out some Iranian backed terrorists touched an American base and ‘unalived’ three service men, not a boat but the vibe is there
So this was a perfect ad read... a Chad Read if you will. Also I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure he actually got ordered by the President to withdraw. And for history education in Idaho, I actually did learn about the Pacific theatre, but not as detailed as I would have liked. I think that was down to my teacher having been a WW2 vet in the Pacific.
So in Idaho growing up we learned about pearl harbor and the battle of midway I think the most in the Pacific. Didn't learn a whole lot about Okinawa and then learned about iwa jima and obviously the atomic bombs. But that was really it from the Pacific theatre. We learned mostly about the European side of things
You learn more about the Japanese side of the war going to school in East TN because of the local history connection with building the first reactors and bombs. I remember going to the science museum as a kid and they had full scale models of several nukes including Fat Man and Little Boy. You can take a tour of ORNL and visit the X-10 reactor and go in the control room where they have the logbook in a display case open to the page where it was logged that criticality was first achieved. There are a few days a year where you can also go inside the fence to the visitors center at Y-12 but you have to be a US citizen and sign up for the tour months and months in advance and agree to a deep background check. Normally you have to have top secret / DOE Q clearance to even be allowed through the gate and that includes security guards and janitors.
fun fact: the higher ambient temp means that there is more availiable ambient energy going into the activation energy of the gunpowder = more gunpowder energy goes into pushing the shell
The Battling Bastards of Bataan hold the line for three months, delaying and even destroying the Japanese schedule and plans on Asia. What's even amazing is most of the Filipino and Americans who fought for three months are undertrained, under equipped, and because of language barriers it is hard to communicate, yet they hold the line. "No mama, no papa, no Uncle Sam." But even though the surrender was ordered, alot of men did not follow that, and instead formed guerillas and essentially helped alot with the later on American Invasion/ Liberation of the Philippines against the Japanese.
Sidenote, watervliet arsenal not only made those custom-made turrets, they also made 4 bombs (gbu-28s) out of retired 8 inch howitzer barrels that were dropped on saddam's bunkers. Y'Know, food for thought
Yeah, Kip, but the thing with the Alps... is attacks have crossed there before.... Hannibal during the Punic Wars. Napoleon. Etc. And those are the 2 most prominent, but there've been others. With Phillipines, it was only involved in the Spanish American War because the Phillipines was a Spanish colony. So the only real legit fight in the last century and a half was against the Japanese conquering it in their ww2 expansion. The interesting world history thought experiment for me is...what might have happened had other prior things gone differently? What if USA never took over Phillipines? What if Phillipines was, say, a German colony (or Dutch colony the Germans had taken earlier in ww2)? What if Napoleon want awesome and France got pounded in the wars preceding ww1 and was taken over by Prussia? What if Hannibal's trek over the Alps had gone way worse than it already had?
As far as the Soldier if Heaven comment goes, I believe there was fighting in the alps for a bried period and you had both factions staring eachother down on opposite sides worried they would sneaking around the mountain. On white Friday both sides shelled eachothers mountain range causing avalanches and dooming thousands of men stationed there. After that i think use of the mountains was diminished but before that i believe there was fighting.
Theoretically if the crew of Ft. Drum wanted to continue fighting, there would be ways for them to have legally done so. If they believed they would not be properly treated as POWs, which is what happened, they could have disobeyed the surrender order for safety reasons. If they believed the order was in error, or that the officer who ordered it did not have the authority to do so, that would also be grounds for ignoring it. But this is also based on the modern UCMJ, I’m not sure what it was like in the 40’s
I studied the Pacific theatre on my own, but that was because of my family history. I had three relatives at Pearl when she was bombed and my Grandfather was on the USS Phelps that was in every single major campaign in the Pacific, including escorting the President and the First lady. The only thing she didn't participate in was the surrender of Japan. But no, they taught next to nothing about WWII in history class.
As many said, MacArthur was ordered out by FDR. *HOWEVER*, MacArthur is hated because he blocked General Wainwright from receiving the Medal of Honor and even wanted to court martial Wainwright for cowardice for surrendering to the Japanese (which is a capital offense). MacArthur only backed off when the rest of the top ranked officers and all the men who survived the Japanese POW camps rose hell for his temerity. Also, MacArthur was already hated because he ordered the breakup of the Bonus Army by using tanks to disperse a tent city of WWI vets who were camping out on Capitol Hill in protest over being screwed out of money Congress had promised them in exchange for volunteering to fight in that war. That's right: General MacArthur rolled tanks on a bunch of unarmed WWI vets who only wanted to get paid money that was their due.
While the fall of the Philippines wasn't entirely MacArthur's fault given wider events he certainly bares responsibility for the US forces under his command being unprepared and taken by surprise by the initial Japanese assault. Events after that were entirely beyond his control with no reinforcements or supplies due to the lack of naval support available the Philippines was always going to be lost. Most of the set back's America suffered during the war could have been avoided or mitigated if not for complacency and arrogance at all levels of command. Some American officers had been acting as observers in the European theatre since the beginning and the British had been back channeling intelligence and technology for years. For example a British supplied radar station had been installed at Pearl Harbour but the chain of command had largely ignored it's existence not bothering to understand its value and failing to ensure the personnel were properly trained in it's use. As such the operator on the day of the attack saw the incoming Japanese attack's first wave but miss identified it as the daily mail plane because of his lack of training on the equipment. Omaha beach was the bloodiest and hardest fought landing on D day largely because the landing forces ignored RN advice and refused assistance in navigating the treacherous channels leading to most of the first wave of landing craft hitting sand bars and dropping their troops and specialized tank support too far from the beach. US troops were then forced to tackle German fortifications head on without sufficient armour support because most or their armour had sunk into the waves or gotten stuck attempting to get to the beach. The only reason the attack succeeded was the bravery of the grunts holding out until allied forces from the neighbouring beaches could break out and out flank the German defenders. Far too often in that war undertrained and over eager American boys had to pay a price in blood for their commanders refusal to accept guidance from battle hardened British officers who had been fighting for years at this point. This caused some strained relationships when British officer's became frustrated angry and bitter at watching lessons they had paid for in blood cost lives all over again for no good reason.
Exactly he had an entire year to get the philippine garrison At least somewhat prepared for something to happen but instead he waited until the day of the attack to try and get ready
US Gov.: *has problem* US Gov. "Here. Get rid of it." US Gov.: *hands problem to Engineer* Engineer: *cracks cold one* Engineer: *looks at problem* Engineer: *sips 'Named' beverage* Engineer: "Done."
Hey Kip, I hate to break it to you, but your "Scream of an eagle" is actually the scream of a Red Tailed Hawk. Google the scream of an Eagle and you will instantly understand why they had chosen to dub in the cry of the Hawk!
you know I was thoroughly upset and still am when Yemen attacked the USS Cole and by watching fat electricians videos I realized I'm an American and that's how I should feel they messed with are boats
In defense of MacArther, he was ordered to evacuate the Philippines, vowed to return and liberate the country, and then later returned and liberated the country
McArthur should have been Court Marshalled for dereliction of duty. Both commanding general and admiral of Pearl Harbor were Court Marshalled for the surprise attack. MacArthur had 10 hours of warning of the attack. Entire Air Force in the Philippines destroyed on the ground. As well as most of the Navy ships there. Then ordered no contesting of Japanese landings. Then didn't do sh t from 41' to 44' but be a pain in the ass of command. While hiding in Australia. He was the best general the Japanese had.
@@KipReacts It helps me concentrate and relax since it’s very smooth and pleasing to hear. Like how a marshmallow feels if it were a sound. Plus the content you react to is awesome and your commentary just adds more on top. Honestly, you’re one of the best commentary creators I’ve seen in a long while ❤️
I am about to ruin your day. I hate to break it to you, but Bald Eagles don't scream. They actually take the call of a Red Tailed Hawk and add it to Bald Eagle clips.
Also sure, support Fat Electrician with Sheath, but Shinesty did it first and I support them because I don't like idea thieves who just try to market harder to rewrite history
Ok, brief UK/Britain/England explanation - England is a country - Great Britain is the entire eastern island consisting of England, Scotland, and Wales - the United Kingdom is Great Britain and Northern Ireland
@@A_Qwynide The Truth. When people say UK, it invokes post-war, post colonial era. Back then, they were still rightly the British Empire so call it what it was.
@@danielseelye6005 bro it was LITERALLY called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland - idgaf what weird spin on supposed perception you want to claim. You want to talk about truth, then be truthful. JFC 🙄
In the military you are to follow the Orders of the Officers appointed above you unless those orders violate the US Constitution , the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) which mostly mirrors US Civilians Law except the Punishments can be more server depending on the violation. And if you commit a crime in civilian society you can and likely will be charged in the military as well. Also in the case of the laws of war a soldier may refuse orders . Officers know this and will themselves refuse to issue illegal orders. The Military is very black and white when it comes to orders, laws and regulations .
Ahh kip, back ground. Etc. I’m half native America, half native Alaskan, I already win this convo, hands down, no matter what, haha Willy Hal’s can never sing anything. We best them and the Russians/soviets. Anyone who wants to challenge me, let’s go, for native lands. None of yih will win. But a couple, I don’t say the modern equivalent cause that is t their name, and only makes them more mad, of you know. And now language. And that’s a good thing. Come play with us, grow our channel, let’s good
And no, it is hands down not. Od this or that, if not legal, not a legal order, it cannot, will not be a legal order, no matter what. , there is zero grey grounds. It is that, no matter what, or how/when.
When you say mustache guy, you need to be more specific! Do you mean the Ukrainian or Austrian one? Joke aside, most people here will know who you mean, but…
McArthur had a direct order from FDR so that he would not fall into Japanese hands since McArthur was hero in eyes of civilians
And if he didn't, he would have been killed or captured by the Japanese. If captured, he might spill military secrets to them because of torture. The best choice was to leave. Anything else would have prolonged the war, and the Philippines would have been in Japan's hands for longer.
Yeah, MacArthur did not want to leave the Philippines. He was straight up ignoring advice from other generals and admirals to leave. It had to take those direct orders for him to leave cause that he couldn’t ignore. This is why before he left he made his famous declaration that “I shall return.” Also, quite the deva in terms of listening to others which in the end got him in trouble with President Truman during the Korean War.
@@R2D2589 not to mention he wanted to nuke china/korea border during the korean war
@@hoss3548 “Let’s go, in and out, 30 nukes”
Mcarthur was trash he wasnt a hero
Definitely a good distinction. A modern bunker buster such as the Howitzer-based GBU-28 he discussed in another video would easily make it through this thing. But doing so took nearly a century of advancement.
But pretty much nothing short of that. I'm fairly confident that aside from modern bunker busters you would need something like a nuclear bomb to actually erase it and up until high end yields the thing to kill the crew would be radiation though the air vents and not the blast.
It’s like starting Skyrim lvl 1 with full dragon bone armor, HA skill maxed, and health maxed. Just a walking tank through bleak falls barrow. 😂
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Sounds super boring with no challenge whatsoever. Playing on sandbox mode lol, Give yourself a challenge at least. Start of any game I max out difficulty. Probably one of the fastest way to get good.
I learned about Unit 731 because I saw a hardcore band from Pittsburgh named "Unit 731" and looked them up after the show and only got info on the war crimes and not a band.
only read about 731 if you already suffer from nightmares. There's fucked up shit - then there's that.
@@m2hmghb And we only know what the members of 731 told us. Just imagine all the other horrifying stuff they kept silent about.
@@BloPsy_Actualpeople always try to justify it being like oh at least we got a bunch of useful info out of pardoning them when we really didn't, they did a shit ass job actually recording stuff and most of their tests weren't things that were going to give any useful data anyhow it was just torture disguised as medical testing. Pretty much the only thing I know that came out of there with any use, and it's still honestly not much cause we would have figured it out in a better way eventually, is how much of the human body is water by weighing someone before and after removing all the water from their body
The Axis: Hey, a boat shot it
America: "EYES GLOW" YOU SUNK MY BATTLE SHIP SO I SINK YOU
Main things you hear about the Pacific is: Pearl Harbor, Midway, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, and the A-bombs. Rest of the stuff you kind of have to actually look into, like the Philippines, Guadalcanal, Saipan (a.k.a. Pacific D-day), Coral Sea, Leyte Gulf, and many other battles, as well as the atrocities carried out by the Japanese during those times (like the Bataan Death March). Interestingly enough, Saipan and Guadalcanal even have semi-recent movies based off said battles (Windtalkers and Thin Red Line respectively), both of which I personally like
Yeah it's probably cause of the a bombs. There's so much of a push to say that they were cruel and unnecessary that they hide the fact that the Japanese absolutely got what was coming to them and that would absolutely ruin their claims.
On general McArthur I was thought he was ordered from the Philippines by President Roosevelt fearing his capture by the japanese
He was. He barely left before the resistance collapsed. He was also retired, and only agreed to cone back into service to protect the Philippines
as with anything military history has taught me : you don't fuck with the battle engineer
**slaps 14inch gun** _"this baby can hit a ship with a whole car dealership in a minute and a half"_
Kip!!! Where ya been boy??
Missing that laugh of yours!!😂😂😂
Gen. Mac made the right call.
Hi! Been a little burnt out and trying to relax where I can.
I'm happy to bring more laughter to you all!
From everything I've heard on the decision to retreat to Australia, it was the better decisions to be made.
@@KipReacts yep. He pulled back to Australia 🇦🇺 and devised the plan of "Island hopping."
As some of the comments have already said, MacArthur was ordered to leave the Philippines by Roosevelt himself.
I grew up in California, but I think I only learned as much about the Pacific theater as I did due to my history teachers being really thorough.
Thats called "saving face". Nobody would question Frankin Roosevelt because he was actually a great guy, but you're kidding yourself if you genuinely think that Douglas McArthur was a selfless man, even his own troops knew he was a spineless coward and the philippines branded him a traitor and a scoundrel after abandoning them with his family in tow. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who actually stayed to support the Philippine Resistance Forces after McArthur left.
Your theory of America wanting to avoid the same humiliation england suffered in singapore falls flat on his face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright stayed in the Philippines to help fight against the imperial japanese invasion and was hailed as a hero by the Filipino people, especially after he was liberated from a prison camp in Manchukuo. So tell me who is the hero? The man who fought with his allied brothers in arms to the end? Or the man who ran with his tail between his legs and his family in tow at the first sign of trouble?
The "Roosevelt ordering McArthr to retreat" theory falls flat on its face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright didnt retreat, and instead fought all the way from manila to corregidor for months and ended up in the infamous bataan death march in service of freedom and democracy. THAT is Sacrifice, and the man deserves all the respect.
And to be clear, we've forgiven america long ago for what was admittedly a retrospectively wise retreat, but we will never forgive McArthur. There is a reason our grandparents called that🐍"dugout doug".
MacArthur was ordered out by FDR to avoid the humiliation the British suffered when Singapore fell in having a high ranking General forced to surrender to the Japanese. He would have stayed to the last, but didn't believe he could refuse a presidential order and so left, famously declaring 'I will return'.
He also was against using the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, instead wanting to invade the home islands as he didn't believe the science fiction he figured the bombs were.
Thats called "saving face". Nobody would question Frankin Roosevelt because he was actually a great guy, but you're kidding yourself if you genuinely think that Douglas McArthur was a selfless man, even his own troops knew he was a spineless coward and the philippines branded him a traitor and a scoundrel after abandoning them with his family in tow. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who actually stayed to support the Philippine Resistance Forces after McArthur left.
Your theory of America wanting to avoid the same humiliation england suffered in singapore falls flat on his face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright stayed in the Philippines to help fight against the imperial japanese invasion and was hailed as a hero by the Filipino people, especially after he was liberated from a prison camp in Manchukuo. So tell me who is the hero? The man who fought with his allied brothers in arms to the end? Or the man who ran with his tail between his legs and his family in tow at the first sign of trouble?
The "Roosevelt ordering McArthr to retreat" theory falls flat on its face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright didnt retreat, and instead fought all the way from manila to corregidor for months and ended up in the infamous bataan death march in service of freedom and democracy. THAT is Sacrifice, and the man deserves all the respect.
And to be clear, we've forgiven america long ago for what was admittedly a retrospectively wise retreat, but we will never forgive McArthur. There is a reason our grandparents called that🐍"dugout doug".
@@clothokaftanyou know maybe you should keep something that you claim the Philippines as a whole agree with as just your own opinion when an internet search would show the opposite of what you claim
I never claimed he was a good man. The idiot was willing to send hundreds of thousands of American men to a fucking meat grinder invading Japan because he felt slighted. He also OUT RANKED the man left behind, so YES, it would have been more humiliating for MacArthur to have been captured. It is not a theory that he was ordered out. He WAS ordered to leave by Roosevelt. I never stated he would have stayed because he was selfless. He would have stayed because he would have preferred to fight and die with 'honor' than accept he was in a loosing situation. Or seek a way to evacuate US and Pilipino soldiers to continue the fight where there was less of a disadvantage.
You seem to be under the impression I like McArthur. I don't. The man was as bad as Patton was ego wise, with few of the tactical acumen traits that only slightly redeemed Patton. So, perhaps instead of hounding people on the internet and putting words in their mouths, actually read what was stated. I never claimed he was a good man. I never claimed he was selfless. He was ordered out by Presidential order, that is a KNOWN fact. not a fabrication written by later historians like the Third Wave myth of Pearl Harbor. My statement about him being against the use of nuclear weapons was a shot at his idiocy and need for blood instead of taking the option that might end the war quicker with far fewer casualties overall.
So if I somehow offended you, sorry but I only stated a fact. you are the one who put words in my mouth and ranted about it.@@clothokaftan
"he didn't believe the science fiction he figured the bombs were" did he totally flip on that by time he was serving in Korea?
At that point they were a proven weapon, so he was all for using them then. It was understandable to be skeptical before they were used as few military leaders not in the loop would likely believe a single bomb could utterly level a city when hundreds of bombers dropping thousands of bombs didn't. He also just didn't want to be denied his invasion of Japan at the time, so that could have played a part. @@jayeisenhardt1337
Impervious to every known weapon? Get me the Engineers!
General MacArthur acrually wanted to stay & "share the fate of the garrison" either surrender or fight to the end.
The only reason he left is because FDR told him to leave, him being one of the more experienced American generals in regards to fighting the Japanese at the time, FDR probably made the right call.
Thats called "saving face". Nobody would question Frankin Roosevelt because he was actually a great guy, but you're kidding yourself if you genuinely think that Douglas McArthur was a selfless man, even his own troops knew he was a spineless coward and the philippines branded him a traitor and a scoundrel after abandoning them with his family in tow. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who actually stayed to support the Philippine Resistance Forces after McArthur left.
Your theory of America wanting to avoid the same humiliation england suffered in singapore falls flat on his face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright stayed in the Philippines to help fight against the imperial japanese invasion and was hailed as a hero by the Filipino people, especially after he was liberated from a prison camp in Manchukuo. So tell me who is the hero? The man who fought with his allied brothers in arms to the end? Or the man who ran with his tail between his legs and his family in tow at the first sign of trouble?
The "Roosevelt ordering McArthr to retreat" theory falls flat on its face when you consider that Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright didnt retreat, and instead fought all the way from manila to corregidor for months and ended up in the infamous bataan death march in service of freedom and democracy. THAT is Sacrifice, and the man deserves all the respect.
And to be clear, we've forgiven america long ago for what was admittedly a retrospectively wise retreat, but we will never forgive McArthur. There is a reason our grandparents called that🐍"dugout doug".
13:00 -ish: Full disclosure, I am no fan of MacArthur; if you want to know why, we'll be here all day...However, giving credit where it is due, Doug only went to Australia when FDR specifically ordered him to go. Personally, I would have told him to stay on Corregidor to the end, but since MacArthur had spent the previous almost-two-decades being the face of the US Army, and had propped himself up as a heroic figure to both the American and Filipino people, _and_ FDR was in dire need of heroes in 1942, FDR ordered him to escape.....But MacA was still a douche: middling staff guy, okay tactical leader, terrible strategic commander - which was why Marshall was made Chief of Staff of the Army (the Army's top commander), and later Secretary of State, instead of MacA.
MacArthur also rolled tanks on US military vets (the Bonus Army) during the Great Depression and tried to court-martial Wainwright for cowardice after the latter surrendered the Philippine Garrison to Japan
@@RaderizDorret I was being brief, for brevity's sake. Read _Fighting for MacArthur,_ by John Gordon -- just be sure to have a barf bag handy.
@@TheMajorActual MacArthur is a piece of shit on a level surpassed only by FDR and Woodrow Wilson in my estimation.
Something to clarify about with the sinking of the USS Maine and the Spanish American War, the sinking of the USS Maine was part of an extremely far reaching world domination initiative called "Manifest Destiny", which started with the purging of almost all native americans, the conquest, vassalization, and eventual integration of the hawaiian islands, claiming cuba, guam and puerto rico from spain, and the purchase of the philippines to america for a paltry $20,000,000. Which personally i find gravely insulting, as if we were treated like some sort of commodity.
For context, Spain at this point wasnt doing too well considering their monarchy was falling apart and they were losing their grip on the colonies they tortured for five centuries. Spain had no political power left and america could have easily conquered them.
What they dont tell you is that the whole thing was staged, the USS Maine was either likely sunk by an onboard accident that detonated its magazine, or was deliberately sunk by america. Either way it gave America the Casus Belli they needed to go to war with spain, and more importantly the Spanish Territories of Central America, Micronesia, and Southeast Asia.
Additionally the Spanish American war by philippine historian accounts was also staged, the entire naval battle in manila bay was a ruse and all the ships that were sunk were empty husks without a single person aboard, the "battle" itself was so lethargic that it almost appeared to be a naval exercise instead of a battle of attrition.
The surrender of the Philippines to america was clearly planned in advance by both america and spain since it was sold too quickly, the agreement was drawn up too fast and without any ratifications, and the payment was already ready before the ink had a chance to dry. The deal was finalized with the Treaty of Paris in December 10, 1898. The Spanish American War in total only lasted all of 10 weeks, which is the most telltale sign for how rigged it was.
Let me also clarify that we all consider our "first" (puppet) President Emilio Aguinaldo as a traitor for empowering America to conquer the Philippines and deny our Independence from us. And i personally would love to strike him off the Official Register of Historic Philippine Presidents if i could.
Spain was well aware that they were going to lose the Philippines either way since by this point the KKK (Kataastaasang, Kagalanggalangang Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan" / Supreme and Honorable Society of the Children of the Nation) and their War of Independence was already drawing to a close with almost total control over the philippines, we had almost won our independence all by ourselves. Then america showed up and insulted our tenacity and will to be a free nation by making the Philippines a protectorate state of America. We did not allow it, and so the Philippine American War began almost immediately after the Spanish American war and was a stalemate for 3 years before Heneral Andrés Bonifacio called a cessation of hostilities due to not wanting to see any more bloodshed. At this time the annexation of the Philippines by Imperial America was met with very negative domestic sentiment by the american people and their rallying cry for supporting Philippine Independence forced the Imperialist Government to concede and promised to reform the Philippines gradually with a transitional government until eventually leading to formal Independence. But well, WW2 got in the way of that and things went t1ts waaay up. We were eventually granted Independence in July 4, 1946. But most filipinos prefer to believe that we were already free from the moment we broke away from the Tyrannical 500 year Spanish rule and consider our independence as June 12, 1898.
Most americans today dont even know that the philippine american war ever happened, but it did. And i'd like to think it helped america grow into the freedom loving country it is today, even if they are spending entires nations GDP's worth on freedom dispensers.
Since then the Philippines became America's closest and oldest ally in asia with a mutual defense treaty & enhanced defense cooperation agreement as part of the 1st island chain defensive line; we were the 5th state to recognize south koreas sovereignty and independence, and helped america and the UN in the korean war, as well as being the only asian country to vote in favor of the creation of israel. With 32 votes for, 13 against, and 10 abstentions, the philippines was the final vote (2/3 majority) that decided whether or not israel would exist today. In line with that the philippines also made a commitment at the time to shelter jews from around the world in 1934, under the admittance of President Manuel L. Quezon and U.S. High Commissioner Paul V. McNutt.
And on the South Koreans side of the fence, besides our contributions during the US & UN led counteroffensive in the korean war (particularly the Battle of Yultong and Battle of Eerie Hill); we assisted with the post-war efforts of rebuilding South Koreas economy and their peoples lives by building schools, roads, bridges, clinics, hospitals, etc. and dedicated huge swaths of our overseas workers to supporting the institutions built at the time, many of the republic of koreas laws, constitutions, and policies are either borrowed from or modified from the republic of the philippines counterparts. And our dedication to learning and teaching english early on influenced how South Korea eventually became the economic powerhouse it is today.
And you know what palestine? We dont regret it. We still believe to this day that the jews deserved salvation from their persecutions in ww2, and that they deserved to return to their ancestral home. While you dont deserve any pity or quarter for what you have done, you, the iranians, and whoever else thinks its funny to make terror groups with "plausible deniability" hocus pocus bs, dont deserve another chance after so many concessions and peace deals. Is some of what israel is doing wrong? yes. Are you just as guilty of doing wrong? Absolutely, dont play victim when you have a poisoned dagger behind your back.
There is nowhere on the internet that calls the Spanish American War rigged, the sinking of the Maine was most definitely an accident and it wasn’t the only reason, with Cuba’s struggle for independence and yellow journalism also being a factor in the war, also the war started in April 21st and ended in December. 10 weeks doesn’t equal 7 months, 2 weeks, and 5 days. I have looked into the internet and couldn’t find any site that stated who voted what in the creation of Israel so I can’t say anything against that point. Both South Korea and the Philippines had their system influenced by the United States, especially South Korea during the Cold War, and finally, the leader of Palestine has denounced Hamas, just won’t go public with it due to the ongoing war in Gaza.
@@Crttyt67who do you think controls the internet? america would never dare let such a dark smear on their history stick out like a sore thumb, all historical records were erased to keep our allied relations with america, but our grandparents never forgot and taught us the truth. The Spanish American war was a joke, the USS. Maine was an excuse, America back then was hellbent on conquest, and Douglas McArthur was a traitor.
(President Franklin D. Roosevelt made it look like a direct order to retreat to save face, the reason for being that they didnt want to face the same humiliation england faced for the capture of their general in singapore. but everyone in my country considers Douglas McArthur a traitor, the real hero was Lt. General Jonathan Wainwright.)
You do realize who controls the internet right? Of course there wouldnt be anything about it on the internet, our education system only teaches as much as the events that happened but nothing about eyewitness accounts of said events, all historical records were erased to preserve the allied relations between the philippines and america. Only our grandparents know the truth and that truth persists only through oral records.
The spanish american war was a hoax, the sinking of the uss maine was an unfortunate incident that created the perfect excuse for war, the real war was the philippine american war, our independence was won by us in 1898, not 1946, and douglas mcarthur was a traitor and scoundrel.
Taken from one of one of my other comments in this video, Douglas McArthur was "officially" ordered by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to retreat to Australia and abandon the Philippines, unofficially he abandoned the country with his family at the first sign of trouble. The "official order" from on high was just a lie to save face, since they didnt want to face the same humiliation that england suffered from the capture of their general in singapore. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who stayed behind while Dugout Doug ran with his tail between his legs, fought the invaders for months from manila to corregidor, before ordering the complete ceasefire of allied forces in May 6, 1942. Then was dragged into the infamous bataan d@&% march, before spending the rest of the war in a prison camp in manchukuo. America may have absolved Douglas McArthur of any crime, but who do think the Philippines venerate? I can tell you it isnt Dugout Doug.
Edit: also, what do you think "plausible deniability" is? of course palestine would denounce hamas, just as iran will likely denounce houthi, they created those terror groups to give them an army that can theoretically strike america and other allied powers without political ramifications, of course america would never fall for such an amateur tactic, but the average dimly lit citizen would take palestines side over the worlds peacekeeper just because theyre gullible and easily swayed. But why would palestine and iran make terror groups instead of a standing army? Well... ask "Operation Praying Mantis" that question.
You do realize who controls the internet right? Of course there wouldnt be anything about it on the internet, our education system only teaches as much as the events that happened but nothing about eyewitness accounts of said events, all historical records were erased to preserve the allied relations between the philippines and america. Only our grandparents know the truth and that truth persists only through oral records.
The spanish american war was a hoax, the sinking of the uss maine was an unfortunate incident that created the perfect excuse for war, the real war was the philippine american war, our independence was won by us in 1898, not 1946, and douglas mcarthur was a traitor and scoundrel.
Taken from one of one of my other comments in this video, Douglas McArthur was "officially" ordered by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to retreat to Australia and abandon the Philippines, unofficially he abandoned the country with his family at the first sign of trouble. The "official order" from on high was just a lie to save face, since they didnt want to face the same humiliation that england suffered from the capture of their general in singapore. The real hero was Lieutenant General Jonathan Wainwright, who stayed behind while Dugout Doug ran with his tail between his legs, fought the invaders for months from manila to corregidor, before ordering the complete ceasefire of allied forces in May 6, 1942. Then was dragged into the infamous bataan (censored) march, before spending the rest of the war in a prison camp in manchukuo. America may have absolved Douglas McArthur of any crime, but who do think the Philippines venerate? I can tell you it isnt Dugout Doug.
Edit: also, what do you think "plausible deniability" is? of course palestine would denounce hamas, just as iran will likely denounce houthi, they created those terror groups to give them an army that can theoretically strike america and other allied powers without political ramifications, of course america would never fall for such an amateur tactic, but the average citizen would take palestines side over the worlds peacekeeper just because theyre gullible and easily swayed. But why would palestine and iran make terror groups instead of a standing army? Well... ask "Operation Praying Mantis" that question.
Also i know you are flagging my last 2 comments to keep them hidden so you can make me look like im staying quiet.
If youre so trigger happy to flag my comments and keep them hidden to make me look bad, then dont blame me for flagging your comments as well.
This is awesome. I get to watch fat electrician videos with his original content and then a few days later I get to watch kip expand on his historical points and the laugh just makes my day. For ever FE video I then turn around and rewatch with Kip. It’s great.
This was a good video that I was eagerly waiting for your reaction to. Knew when I saw it that them bringing in the engineers would get you excited. I should say I write this before watching the video
I was right
In RI, we glazed over internment camps, and in NC, we did the same in Civics when we glazed over Koramatsu vs. The US, but we didn’t go over it much. I know what I do because I had a great uncle who was on a battleship during a Pacific battle, but I'm not sure which.
America: Turns an island into a nigh indestructible concrete "battleship".
Netherland: Disguises a boat into a island to escape the Japanese.
United Kingdom: Makes a chicken based nuclear landmine.
Military history (and history in general) is serious business ... right until you stumble into clown-world (affectionate).
We literally in my school took 1 day to go over the entire ww2 I was so annoyed i waited all year to learn more on it .
In fairness to teachers, they could have been rushed by the approved ciriculum.
I learned more about the war from "Battlestations Pacific" then I ever did in school, lol.
In McArthurs case yes he was ordered to leave by FDR so it's fine (orders are orders). He was, however a duche and a mid skill commander that got lucky a few times (and started believing his own hype). Pearl harbour sent out a radio message that they were attacked by Japan, and any normal CO would have put the forces under his command on alert (since you know...war). He did not and that's why Japan got the islands so fast. Japan would have still gotten them (probably) but it would have taken more time and cost more of their soldiers lives to conquer the Philipines.
the alpine theatre was VERY much active in WW1. Isonzo for example having 13 battles taking place at that one location alone for example.
The only thing I remember learning about the Pacific front in WW2 was the Japanese attack on China, Imperial Japan's treatment of it's citizens and prisoners, the Yamato, and the atomic bombs. All other knowledge of the Pacific front is from the internet.
It is scary how overlooked the Pacific front is compared to the European front.
My Favorite part Is how much Documentation Is Available for This
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I mean its kind of hard to miss when all of the major ports in manila go right by the thing, even at night its hard not to spot. So of course it would get a lot of attention from documentaries and the like.
@@clothokaftan One Port
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Yeah fun fact after this video came out some Iranian backed terrorists touched an American base and ‘unalived’ three service men, not a boat but the vibe is there
Oh lordy. The Middle East needs a reminder who defeated the Ottoman Empire.
I love military grade drinking water
Someone touches a US boat. "Damnation" by Warner/Chappell Productions starts playing.
So this was a perfect ad read... a Chad Read if you will.
Also I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure he actually got ordered by the President to withdraw.
And for history education in Idaho, I actually did learn about the Pacific theatre, but not as detailed as I would have liked. I think that was down to my teacher having been a WW2 vet in the Pacific.
In Magic the gatherig we would call this a pillow fort strategy, I love it.
So in Idaho growing up we learned about pearl harbor and the battle of midway I think the most in the Pacific. Didn't learn a whole lot about Okinawa and then learned about iwa jima and obviously the atomic bombs. But that was really it from the Pacific theatre. We learned mostly about the European side of things
You learn more about the Japanese side of the war going to school in East TN because of the local history connection with building the first reactors and bombs. I remember going to the science museum as a kid and they had full scale models of several nukes including Fat Man and Little Boy. You can take a tour of ORNL and visit the X-10 reactor and go in the control room where they have the logbook in a display case open to the page where it was logged that criticality was first achieved. There are a few days a year where you can also go inside the fence to the visitors center at Y-12 but you have to be a US citizen and sign up for the tour months and months in advance and agree to a deep background check. Normally you have to have top secret / DOE Q clearance to even be allowed through the gate and that includes security guards and janitors.
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fun fact: the higher ambient temp means that there is more availiable ambient energy going into the activation energy of the gunpowder = more gunpowder energy goes into pushing the shell
The Battling Bastards of Bataan hold the line for three months, delaying and even destroying the Japanese schedule and plans on Asia. What's even amazing is most of the Filipino and Americans who fought for three months are undertrained, under equipped, and because of language barriers it is hard to communicate, yet they hold the line. "No mama, no papa, no Uncle Sam." But even though the surrender was ordered, alot of men did not follow that, and instead formed guerillas and essentially helped alot with the later on American Invasion/ Liberation of the Philippines against the Japanese.
If you think the Pacific theater is under taught here, you should see it in Japan
He's also been on the Unsub podcast
Sidenote, watervliet arsenal not only made those custom-made turrets, they also made 4 bombs (gbu-28s) out of retired 8 inch howitzer barrels that were dropped on saddam's bunkers. Y'Know, food for thought
I think the fat electrician he made a video about it.
That he did@@lavaboatcubesupportsukrain7539
Yeah, Kip, but the thing with the Alps... is attacks have crossed there before....
Hannibal during the Punic Wars. Napoleon. Etc. And those are the 2 most prominent, but there've been others.
With Phillipines, it was only involved in the Spanish American War because the Phillipines was a Spanish colony. So the only real legit fight in the last century and a half was against the Japanese conquering it in their ww2 expansion.
The interesting world history thought experiment for me is...what might have happened had other prior things gone differently? What if USA never took over Phillipines? What if Phillipines was, say, a German colony (or Dutch colony the Germans had taken earlier in ww2)?
What if Napoleon want awesome and France got pounded in the wars preceding ww1 and was taken over by Prussia?
What if Hannibal's trek over the Alps had gone way worse than it already had?
As far as the Soldier if Heaven comment goes, I believe there was fighting in the alps for a bried period and you had both factions staring eachother down on opposite sides worried they would sneaking around the mountain. On white Friday both sides shelled eachothers mountain range causing avalanches and dooming thousands of men stationed there. After that i think use of the mountains was diminished but before that i believe there was fighting.
MacArthur did not leave voluntarily. He was ordered to leave by FDR on Feb 20 1942
Theoretically if the crew of Ft. Drum wanted to continue fighting, there would be ways for them to have legally done so. If they believed they would not be properly treated as POWs, which is what happened, they could have disobeyed the surrender order for safety reasons. If they believed the order was in error, or that the officer who ordered it did not have the authority to do so, that would also be grounds for ignoring it. But this is also based on the modern UCMJ, I’m not sure what it was like in the 40’s
I studied the Pacific theatre on my own, but that was because of my family history. I had three relatives at Pearl when she was bombed and my Grandfather was on the USS Phelps that was in every single major campaign in the Pacific, including escorting the President and the First lady. The only thing she didn't participate in was the surrender of Japan.
But no, they taught next to nothing about WWII in history class.
As many said, MacArthur was ordered out by FDR. *HOWEVER*, MacArthur is hated because he blocked General Wainwright from receiving the Medal of Honor and even wanted to court martial Wainwright for cowardice for surrendering to the Japanese (which is a capital offense). MacArthur only backed off when the rest of the top ranked officers and all the men who survived the Japanese POW camps rose hell for his temerity.
Also, MacArthur was already hated because he ordered the breakup of the Bonus Army by using tanks to disperse a tent city of WWI vets who were camping out on Capitol Hill in protest over being screwed out of money Congress had promised them in exchange for volunteering to fight in that war. That's right: General MacArthur rolled tanks on a bunch of unarmed WWI vets who only wanted to get paid money that was their due.
Could I request you take a look at the Austrian Wine Poisoning Down the Rabbit Hole by Fredrick Knudsen? I think you'd enjoy it.
Another great reaction! Hey how does one like you get such an amazing avatar for Vtubing? I don’t know how yet.
It was in this video that I noticed that kips model has an ahego, aka "idiot hair". The little spike of his hair poking up between the horns.
While the fall of the Philippines wasn't entirely MacArthur's fault given wider events he certainly bares responsibility for the US forces under his command being unprepared and taken by surprise by the initial Japanese assault. Events after that were entirely beyond his control with no reinforcements or supplies due to the lack of naval support available the Philippines was always going to be lost. Most of the set back's America suffered during the war could have been avoided or mitigated if not for complacency and arrogance at all levels of command. Some American officers had been acting as observers in the European theatre since the beginning and the British had been back channeling intelligence and technology for years. For example a British supplied radar station had been installed at Pearl Harbour but the chain of command had largely ignored it's existence not bothering to understand its value and failing to ensure the personnel were properly trained in it's use. As such the operator on the day of the attack saw the incoming Japanese attack's first wave but miss identified it as the daily mail plane because of his lack of training on the equipment. Omaha beach was the bloodiest and hardest fought landing on D day largely because the landing forces ignored RN advice and refused assistance in navigating the treacherous channels leading to most of the first wave of landing craft hitting sand bars and dropping their troops and specialized tank support too far from the beach. US troops were then forced to tackle German fortifications head on without sufficient armour support because most or their armour had sunk into the waves or gotten stuck attempting to get to the beach. The only reason the attack succeeded was the bravery of the grunts holding out until allied forces from the neighbouring beaches could break out and out flank the German defenders. Far too often in that war undertrained and over eager American boys had to pay a price in blood for their commanders refusal to accept guidance from battle hardened British officers who had been fighting for years at this point. This caused some strained relationships when British officer's became frustrated angry and bitter at watching lessons they had paid for in blood cost lives all over again for no good reason.
Exactly he had an entire year to get the philippine garrison At least somewhat prepared for something to happen but instead he waited until the day of the attack to try and get ready
>1000 gallons gasoline. Me: 🤔
>2000 gallons diesel. Me: ...
>TNT and *White Phosphorus* grenades. Me: Oh god.
BABE WAKE UP KIP DROPPED A NEW REACTION!!
Kip i don't remember if you have reacted to the Battlefield 1 intro cinematic and mission. but i feel it would be nice for you to just experience that
US Gov.: *has problem*
US Gov. "Here. Get rid of it."
US Gov.: *hands problem to Engineer*
Engineer: *cracks cold one*
Engineer: *looks at problem*
Engineer: *sips 'Named' beverage*
Engineer: "Done."
I'd like to see you do The Mighty Earbanger video if you haven't already watched it.
Hey Kip, I hate to break it to you, but your "Scream of an eagle" is actually the scream of a Red Tailed Hawk. Google the scream of an Eagle and you will instantly understand why they had chosen to dub in the cry of the Hawk!
you know I was thoroughly upset and still am when Yemen attacked the USS Cole and by watching fat electricians videos I realized I'm an American and that's how I should feel they messed with are boats
In defense of MacArther, he was ordered to evacuate the Philippines, vowed to return and liberate the country, and then later returned and liberated the country
dont fuck with
A: Americas boats
B: Gas prices
McArthur should have been Court Marshalled for dereliction of duty. Both commanding general and admiral of Pearl Harbor were Court Marshalled for the surprise attack. MacArthur had 10 hours of warning of the attack. Entire Air Force in the Philippines destroyed on the ground. As well as most of the Navy ships there. Then ordered no contesting of Japanese landings. Then didn't do sh t from 41' to 44' but be a pain in the ass of command. While hiding in Australia. He was the best general the Japanese had.
Germany attempted to invaded Russia during WW2 but also fell for the same mistake that Napoleon ran into hundreds of years earlier
In Wallace Shawn's voice: "They fell victim to one of the classic blunders"
Been watching you for a while and I need to say: your voice is hot as hell. Please never stop making content ever.
Thank you!
I've always been aelf conscious of my voice, I'm glad people like it.
@@KipReacts It helps me concentrate and relax since it’s very smooth and pleasing to hear. Like how a marshmallow feels if it were a sound. Plus the content you react to is awesome and your commentary just adds more on top. Honestly, you’re one of the best commentary creators I’ve seen in a long while ❤️
I am about to ruin your day. I hate to break it to you, but Bald Eagles don't scream. They actually take the call of a Red Tailed Hawk and add it to Bald Eagle clips.
Also sure, support Fat Electrician with Sheath, but Shinesty did it first and I support them because I don't like idea thieves who just try to market harder to rewrite history
Ok, brief UK/Britain/England explanation
- England is a country
- Great Britain is the entire eastern island consisting of England, Scotland, and Wales
- the United Kingdom is Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Back then they were still the Great and Glorious British Empire so...
@@danielseelye6005 ... And? It was still the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Wtf kind of **"well achktually"** is that?
@@A_Qwynide The Truth. When people say UK, it invokes post-war, post colonial era. Back then, they were still rightly the British Empire so call it what it was.
@@danielseelye6005 bro it was LITERALLY called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland - idgaf what weird spin on supposed perception you want to claim. You want to talk about truth, then be truthful. JFC 🙄
I think one of the reason why we don't talk about the pacific is b/c of the bombs and because we did some war crimes of our own in there.
“ Its never a war crime the first time” the fat electrician
And together know US Marines weren’t in charge. As we woulda fist fought the IJN navy and Yamato. Vs surrendering, so the navy /army surrendered.
The Maine explosion is more like to be an inside job tgan a spanish one.
In the military you are to follow the Orders of the Officers appointed above you unless those orders violate the US Constitution , the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) which mostly mirrors US Civilians Law except the Punishments can be more server depending on the violation. And if you commit a crime in civilian society you can and likely will be charged in the military as well.
Also in the case of the laws of war a soldier may refuse orders . Officers know this and will themselves refuse to issue illegal orders. The Military is very black and white when it comes to orders, laws and regulations .
~6:40 M*A*S*H was lying to you
Ahh kip, back ground. Etc. I’m half native America, half native Alaskan, I already win this convo, hands down, no matter what, haha Willy Hal’s can never sing anything. We best them and the Russians/soviets. Anyone who wants to challenge me, let’s go, for native lands. None of yih will win. But a couple, I don’t say the modern equivalent cause that is t their name, and only makes them more mad, of you know. And now language. And that’s a good thing. Come play with us, grow our channel, let’s good
Napoleonic Wars, WW1, and WW2... in all 3 Europeans tried to invade Russia in winter... hence your confusion about the meme.
The fact it's a repeat occurrence.
Thanks for the clarification!
USA USA USA USA 🇺🇸 USA USA 🇺🇸
Do not touch the trim.
Thats a troll. I know you know, as you point out others might not.
Translation: Brass told the SeaBees “Get rid of it. I don’t care how.” And the SeaBees said “Challenge accepted!”
And no, it is hands down not. Od this or that, if not legal, not a legal order, it cannot, will not be a legal order, no matter what. , there is zero grey grounds. It is that, no matter what, or how/when.
Aktually Russia were allies back then.
Can something be a reaction without a actual person reacting? This is like the bare minimum requirement to not copyrighted. 😆
When you say mustache guy, you need to be more specific!
Do you mean the Ukrainian or Austrian one?
Joke aside, most people here will know who you mean, but…