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There is actually a very simple solution to this, limit maximum flex rank based on solo que rank. For example maximal flex rank=solo Q rank + 6 tiers, with exception that only diamond+ solo Q players can get master+. The sad truth is that flex que is broken cuz riot is trying to be overly friendly towards party gaming while trying to maintain a ranked mode. And goddamn I miss Twisted Treeline.
Honestly the most astonishing thing is that there was a group of people willing to waste their time this way. Like, what the hell are they doing with their life.
I really enjoyed this new style of video, your research was great and presented in a excellent way. Hope to see more like this, maybe some history behind stuff style content or just current stuff that needs to be addressed in regards to league, along with the more fun videos that you’re used to. (Edited for clarity)
Thanks a lot Cappareli, that means a lot! I'm glad you enjoyed it! Ngl I was fairly nervous introducing a new style of videos on this channel but seeing comments like this is a huge confidence boost. 🙏
Abtou 1 month ago, I played against a flex team with 4 iron players et 1 diamond, I was like damn this guy has no good friends. He was challenger on s11 and looks like they were all at a diamond level but I was playing with silvers. I love league.
Things like this and bets on high elo games are two of the reasons this game can't be fun when you reach higher elos yourself. Thanks for all the information you researched and gave out to all of us. I believe those issues are important to talk about and it might be the first step towards finding solutions against those issues
Competativity in games is bs tbh and i say that as a comp pokemon player. The more you know about the game the less fun shit happens. Like gold/plat league is fun af cuz people are just above average at best and that's where whacky shit happens.
I don't even understand why the ranked flex queue even still exists. It's about as competitive as the average normal game in most ranks. Clash and solo queue is where people actually try to win as those ranks actually mean anything.
"as those ranks actually mean anything" The hell are you talking about? What do you get from ranking up in solo that you don't get in flex? In fact it's stupid that flex isn't taken more seriously than solo since it's a team effort in a team game. The fact that solo is taken more seriously is a completely ego driven thing.
There is actually a simple fix for Flex Queue, make it like ARAM mmr. The High ranking player always loses rank if they are paired with low rank players and vice versa.
Funfact: the last season EUNE Flex challenger player was an e-girl, who got boosted by his boyfriend and his simps, she even posted her "success" on social media and lol related groups... Sometimes these are not offical boosters just high elo friendgropups. My friend was a part of this group, he invited me to play 1 game with them, the egirl played terribly...
It's really a shame people don't value flex as much. For me personally, playing as 5 allows for much more in depth communication and macro play compared to solo/duo. Even team fights become a lot more coordinated and interesting. Flex has the potential of being closer to actual pro play than solo duo ever would, but Riot doesn't give it the respect it needs. Maybe they should just bring back ranked 5s.
This was a problem in Heroes of the Storm when they merged their solo/duo queue with their team queue. They solved it by having every team with a player of diamond 1 and above have the mmr of the highest player. That way it doesn't matter if he's with 4 plats or 4 challengers, he will get matched on a challenger level.
I imagine their queue is a lot longer then. If that's the system they use (which tbh isn't bad) then getting queued with someone that is higher rank than you must feel really bad, so they would minimize that in their queues, which means it takes longer to find the right people. Which also means that it's easier to win trade since the pool of people that you can get queued with is a lot smaller. Idk tho just some speculation and thoughts I had thinking about that
Cheating in flex has been a thing for years and years. I played in flex queue to master tier a few years ago and mostly played at night. I ran into the same group of Chinese named boosters/win traders almost every time I played. They'd run one group in a five stack, and have multiple groups of 2-3 to queue at the same time. The smaller groups would intentionally throw the game to boost the five stack whenever they successfully got into the same game together, and since flex was pretty much dead at night, they were able to do it pretty consistently. And the win traders didn't even try to hide what they were doing. Every game that I got them on my team would start off with them pinging "on the way" on a bush, where the enemy five stack would be waiting. Then they'd 'accidentally' die for first blood, along with whoever they managed to bait with them. After that, they'd just screw around until the game was over and we would inevitably lose.
Personally I play flex 1000x more than I play solo even when I'm playing alone because then I know at least 2 of my teammates are communicating with each other. Solo que has always felt like a FFA which for a team based game just feels very unhealthy
For anyone wondering, this is the same exact thing that was happening in TT, they removed trioQ for a while then nobody played it anymore, then they put it back and said that they won't give any reward anymore then they deleted the queue
Great Video! I didn't even thought this could be a Problem because I assumed a Challenger in a ~Flex Rank game should get like 1 LP for a win. Such an easy fix and it would destroy most of the boosting System
@@skywalkerjohn8965 Nope, you should just be matched with people of your elo only. If you are bronze you play vs bronze, if you are silver you play vs silver and so on. Can't play with your friends? shame, go play normal. Or your forever going to keep these huge gaps in team comps.
While I would like this in a perfect scenario, I think its impossible for it to work well. Why should I get 5lp in a win where I went 0/2 and 80cs down because I was permadived 1v3 toplane while my mid and jg camped bot and our botside just got more fed because I played way better than their botlane and died 5 less times?
@@Cindersauruss You answered your own question there. After you were 0/2 and down 80cs, your bot lane SHOULD get more LP for carrying your sorry ass. "Having a bad game/day" is not a valid reason for your team to carry you. Instead, after the game, head into replay, look at what on earth you could have done to prevent that 1v3. This could include not staying undertower while you are at 80% health against the Renekton, Elise duo. ( no one wants to take a terrible recall, but what's more painful: 1] recalling and losing 2 waves, 2] dying and still losing 2 waves? ) For example, if YOU were the ADC and your toplaner died to a level 2 cheese, TPed back, and then died again fighting inside a massive wave of minions. Thus at 5 minutes in the game, your toplaner has lost the first 5 waves of minions, bringing him down 3 levels. Should YOU, the botlane, and your non-autopiloting mid, & jungler get more LP for this victory? Or should they go, "oh well, my toplaner was having a bad day." Edit: (made it more read-able)
What might help is to change the matchmaking from the average mmr from the team to highest mmr of the team. Of course if that’s for pre-made 5 man teams. For not pre-made 5 man teams the normal matchmaking might work
I do something similar with my friends in flex queue, 4 low elo accounts for 1 challanger account. The funny part is that we don’t do this to get paid. High elo flex queue only has a handful of players, meaning we mostly know each other. So getting one account to rank 1 is like a team competition of who can do it faster, the best inting strategy with the best winning strategy to optimize LP gain, the challanger account is like out “representative” in the high elo ladder. It is actually REALLY fun to do it and have whole parties compeating
It all just goes back to how little punishment there is for internationally losing. Yeah this would still work without it but much much harder. The whole ranked system crumbles once people try to lose.
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finally someone makes a video about it, this has been going on since the flex Q release (back then they used to be able to play with iron accounts, riot added the platinum wall just bcs of those people), almost the whole euw chally ladder was boosted (in flex)
In season 2020 I hit challenger in flex queue. This has actually been going on in the flex queue ladder for seasons. Most people just never realized it. It actually used to be worse where challenger players could queue with any rank. So a challenger player could play with iron 4. It’s not always that the groups of challenger teams are boosters, for example the group of players I was playing with at the time were not boosters, we just wanted to be challenger in flex and have fun playing with each other; However, there are definitely a lot of groups in the flex community that are boosting accounts and selling them.
There are actually multiple reasons that the challenger flex players play with lower account teammates. Queue times are lower when 4 of the 5 players are on lower accounts. If all 5 players were on challenger accounts queue times can sometimes be an hour long. Also if everyone played on challenger accounts, you’d gain less LP per win and lose more LP per loss. For example if everyone was on a challenger account and won a game, on average you’d gain around 6-8 lp per win, which is an extremely low number. While if that team lost, they could easily lose 30 lp from one loss. So losing one game lost your about 4 wins of progress, it was super detrimental. You practically had to win every game if you wanted to make any progress. Unless you had about an 80% win rate or higher you weren’t climbing the ladder. Which incentivized teams to have 4 players smurf for one person. So winning games was more guaranteed.
i remember the same method being used in valorant where radiants queued with iron and bronze players which were smurfs and dropping the average rank by alot
I made these calculations for a project at the University a couple years ago for LAS Server, and here they do exactly the same for Ranked Flex. It's a "prosperous business", some might say.
I knew it was bad in flex, which is why I never went near it, since I knew stuff like this was going on, but never realized just how much it was going on. Any league player, at one point, would have heard about higher ranked accounts playing with lower ranked accounts in flex queue. However, I never thought that the problem was this bad before today.
From experience I can say that plat accounts are almost necessary to get to challenger, this is due to queue times getting extremely long and the Lp gains being very low if playing with higher ranked accounts most of the times around 9LP. Making it a very time consuming process. This as well as having to dodge red side for normal Lp gains, the difference between red and blue side in terms of Lp is massive making it more time efficient to only play on blue side.
Did you check if there are acounts that boost multiple acounts? If an acount boosts both the #1 and #2 its probably selling boosting services, but if each boosting acount only boosts one person its most likely just sweats boosting for the sake of it
Yeah each of the boosting accounts have multiple clients or "challengers" that they play with and boost. It isn't just 1 person. LPL Add Oils boosting team helped boost multiple different accounts
How to fix Flex Queue: 1. Add Team Guilds and/or make it exclusive to it. 2. Add a leaderboard system. 3. Your Flex rank is your Guild rank, not individual flex rank. 4. You can only play as 2 or more (legit tho, why can you play as 1 when Solo queue exists?) This way, Official Teams (like T1) can tryhard or Practice to the top rank and Guilds/Teams with no experience to official tournaments can learn from in-game experience. Besides, it would be pretty funny to see full EG roster vs C9 duking it out every 3 days. Eventually, no-name Guilds that can rival official teams will pop out. I mean, there are 100mil players and multiple no-team Challengers from multiple servers so statistically, it should happen. It would also be pretty funny if let's say, Dignitas is top 1 NA and they manage to lose to a no-name guild. Or better yet, a No-name Guild full of randoms is Top 1.
I recently saw 500 lp chall in my aram game who used similar tactics to reach chall in flex ranked despite only being plat 1 in solo ranked. I hope riot did smth before this happened at all.
Very good video but you forgot to mention something : they queue up with plat not only to match easy team but also to decrease the time to find a match. As there is very few people playing in high elo flex, queue can easily last more that 30 minute. But it you queue up with low elo player the queue will be shorter
Thing is this also happens in Valorant people 5 stack ranked with 4 low elo accounts (actually hig elo players) and one high elo account in order to get radiant or immortal
i knew this was gonna happen the moment i heard about no rank restrictions, something very similar happened to another game i played (minion masters). i just had no idea it was on such a big scale but now that i think about it, im not surprised thats how the community always was i just dont understand how riot let it be. flex has no meaning at this point its just a ranked normal
I remember hearing about this a while back, the main account getting boosted had abysmal gameplay as a support or something. Whole thing is kinda funny, gaming the system.
This would be fixed if they made it so the highest mmr player is who the matchmaking is build around. You're hardstuck plat, and you want your chall friend to play with you? Cool, but be ready to have chall mmr for the game, though.
In dota 2 this is far more prevalent because they removed the equivalent of flex queue = party mmr. They merged flex q and solo q basically so we got boosted trash on very high elo games or 5 man queueing divine=masters acc 1 immortal = challenger and they'll be matched against very low elo players.
I finished flex challenger this season with 4 friends on euw. Even if you dont boost accounts: The problem you have if you play flex against this kind of teams with a high rank account and 4 low plats: you gain almost no lp if you win against them. Right now if i play with my 4 challenger friends vs a booster team and we lose, we lose 20-28 lp and gain 8 if we win. With the boost strat the gains are normal again. If you want to fix the Problem you should give a lp penalty to the high rank account if the rank gap is too big. The Lp distribution is the biggest insentive to put all this extra work in plat accounts.
We play flex queue with the boys (diamond - iron buddies) and our rankings are anywhere from iron to plat in flex. We encounter masters players with our bronze guys on our team and they freak out cause they’re nowhere near good enough to win
It's not even a sad realization anymore that Riot just isn't going to do anything about this (on a grand scale) and never will. It happens so much and there's so much to keep track of, they don't have the team size or resources to do anything about it. There was a tweet I saw that said "League of Legends is flooded with pro-players and wanna-be pro-players to the point where casuals can't enjoy the game". That's not even mentioning smurfing and balancing. I had a game today where the enemy Diana alone had 1.6 million Mastery points, and 3 others with over 100k. 1 person on my team had 338k, then everyone else either locked or under 30k.
at the end of the season you see a lot of boosting in solo duo aswell, like plat 3 support main all of a sudden only plays adc, mvp, fed, 10cs/min every single game and has a top laner duo that also gets fed everygame, yeah sure why not
me and one of my friend already reached out to a bigger youtuber last year ago because of this and not alot happened... idk, i think its hillarious and when both of the similar teams are playing against each other.. it gets kinda funny, And I dont think they getting paid for it.. I think most of them just climb the ladder to get prestige.. idk
There is same thing with Valorant where 4 low elo smurfs boosting high elo player, there is restriction that you have to be in 5 stack to play and you get 25% less RR but it still doesn’t help much
I like playing flex and some of my friends are bronze or silver so I like that the criteria for playing with friends is quite open but I think that at high ELO play they should change that somewhat
I was master 100 lp my friend was 200 lp, we used to wait 20 mins at saturdays to get into a game, While this is "legally" schetchy i still believe that the option to play with plat players while u are challenger is a healty option so that you dont wait 20 mins for games, still bad for the ladder but at the end of they day my time is more important than enemies elo.
For me flex comes second and thats why my solo q rank is higher than flex q, so no its not an ego thing i rly dont care about flex, so i dont get what i should be ashamed of? should i be ashamed of valuing my time over riot's matchmaking?
Dota got around this issue by weighing the highest ranked player on a team significantly more than others when in party queue. So, 1 challenger 4 plat would result in near challenger, or even challenger team elo.
If riot is going to get rid of duo queue in ranked like riot has been talking about they have to fix flex queue first otherwise they are going to lose a lot of players.
a solution coult be that the average rank of the players could be only a maximum of 1 rank off of both the highest amd lowest ranked players in the team (for example, if if the team's average rank is gold, only olayers from silver to plat could be in his team, that way if a player is challenger, lowest ranked player in his flex team could only be masters)
this is just the conquences of having a game mode that you can play with your friends with, and it def worth that. I don't want to see riot fix this if they make it harder to play with friends.
The issue that my friends have is that we are decently good and high-plat/diamond is our goal to get if we played flex but knowing how bad the games are there just makes it a super unfun grind. We would rather just fuck around in normals than work our asses off just so we can come up against smurf accounts breaking the system
@@Cindersauruss bro i play with my friends on hihg plat/diamodn flex and that elos is a joke you see a lot people there that have the mechanics and map awarness of Gold or even Silver players dont use that excuse you guys gotta improve 95% the time you think oh it was a smurf it really wasnt.
Wait now i need to find that one flex i had were i was against a challenger Poppy ADC, i was like P3 at the time and we got stomp so fcking hard I'm actually curious to see if it's also a big thing on EUW server
The black market being used is wechat, also known as 'vx' or 'wx' in player tags. This has been going on for YEARS, by the way. Everyone who has ever tried to play flex high elo 'fairly' or by themselves/with a friend is aware of it, but Riot doesn't care. It's a massive rabbit-hole, because wintrading is ALSO common.
There is a booster problem in every online game with a ranking system. Even if you don't have paid booster teams, people still want to play with their low elo friends all the time. Ever since Riot paired up T1 with "low" elo accounts on the korean servers for easy wintrades, I'm not surprised by anything in this game. Not to mention his games against betting site teams...
and just so everybody knows. in low tier soloQ this same thing is happening. and its really what ELO hell is. because you have people with consisten 10 win 10 loss. they play 10 games as a carry, then 10 games as stupid supports like zil/nunu/yummi and just troll side lanes. its not that we blame "bad players" for the loss. we lose because one or two of our team mates are actively trying to lose the game. and thats the goal they have, when loading up league.
Its ssd that people have no better things to do than playing a lot games in day to boost someones account to super high LP challenger and then intentionaly lose games to keep their accounts at platinum
Honestly I just had a bunch of unwinnable flex games against premades of 5 . The setup goes like this A master/diamond player+ 2 players gold+ 2 players bronze and they get matched with me, silver 1. Bronze acccounts are also questionable players, level 30~~50 accounts....
PC should just copy how WR takes their own flex queue match making process where; there is only a certain range on where you can invite players of different ranks and rank tiers. And if you have, for example, a diamond/master player and all the other people are atleast emerald (rank tier between platinum and diamond in wr) or diamond will play against master or diamond players, to even out, because sometimes the flex queue doesnt queue with other players who flex queues but meets with enemy randos instead.
Flex is just normals with a chance of getting a chroma for the seasonal Victorious skin. Nobody will take flex seriously. None of my friends or even people I know takes flex seriously. Flex is just for ego boost to get the border you want, but don't deserve on SoloQ. I never climb above gold in flex, I take the hassle to get my account to gold only to get the chroma.
I usually only play league with 3+ people so flex is usually the way to go for us. But very rarely i q up solo to get my gold rewards. It is true that most of the player base doesn't take flex seriously but compared to solo at least in silver/gold/plat, flex teams almost always have people talking od discord and nobody is flaming anybody cause they are friends. With that being said the challenge and competitiveness i feel from flex is coming from no coinflips on people, communication, rotations, plus they usually try and pick a good team comp. I can't even count the times i got fked in solo because our comp is trash.
THIS. That exactly the point I try to make when my friends praise solo/DuoQ so much. League is a team game and not a game were you have to pray you can actually play as a team with 3 to 4 random people :/ It's like in pro play player should play with random other pro player each game ? It would be dumb cause in a lot of cases, team are formed to have good synergy among their player + they HAVE to train together to perform on stage I know a lot of people will disagree but i think there only should be flex q (2 player to 5) and SOLOQ (No duoQ) cause actually you give advantage to duoQ player and allow boosting way much easier. That wouldn't fix boosting problem in flex but i would agree that soloQ player deserve their praise (In a sense were they can adapt to everyone ans still win ) Also League is better with friends (most of the time) And bring back PvE modes :(
The best option would be a zero tolerance thing like what they did with the chat. Obvious signs of boosting should result in a PERMANENT ban. Any subsequent accounts created by the user will also be banned. This isn't something that's easy to hide, after all. Yes, 4 plats with a challenger is possible, but the only thing you'd need to look at is the win rate of the challenger account in the team to fish out boosting.
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rip buff
why don't also say that you have to pay for redeeming stuff like riot points tho? oh yeah, because otherwise people just don't bother visiting the website. Very disappointed by you
There is actually a very simple solution to this, limit maximum flex rank based on solo que rank. For example maximal flex rank=solo Q rank + 6 tiers, with exception that only diamond+ solo Q players can get master+. The sad truth is that flex que is broken cuz riot is trying to be overly friendly towards party gaming while trying to maintain a ranked mode.
And goddamn I miss Twisted Treeline.
Honestly the most astonishing thing is that there was a group of people willing to waste their time this way. Like, what the hell are they doing with their life.
paid
What are you on about?? They're not doing it for free
@@harioschtroliki its still waste of time and must be super boring to do this
@@deniskasin2394 You're delusional. They are earning money and they get to play league all day with their friends
@@harioschtroliki its still super boring bro trust me
I really enjoyed this new style of video, your research was great and presented in a excellent way. Hope to see more like this, maybe some history behind stuff style content or just current stuff that needs to be addressed in regards to league, along with the more fun videos that you’re used to.
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Thanks a lot Cappareli, that means a lot! I'm glad you enjoyed it! Ngl I was fairly nervous introducing a new style of videos on this channel but seeing comments like this is a huge confidence boost. 🙏
@@OutsideJoke I agree! Really appreciate the research and the overall style! Very interesting
Abtou 1 month ago, I played against a flex team with 4 iron players et 1 diamond, I was like damn this guy has no good friends. He was challenger on s11 and looks like they were all at a diamond level but I was playing with silvers. I love league.
Things like this and bets on high elo games are two of the reasons this game can't be fun when you reach higher elos yourself. Thanks for all the information you researched and gave out to all of us. I believe those issues are important to talk about and it might be the first step towards finding solutions against those issues
thank god im goldstuck
@@thegreatcyrus1138 But they come and corrupt low elo games as well.
Competativity in games is bs tbh and i say that as a comp pokemon player. The more you know about the game the less fun shit happens. Like gold/plat league is fun af cuz people are just above average at best and that's where whacky shit happens.
I don't even understand why the ranked flex queue even still exists. It's about as competitive as the average normal game in most ranks. Clash and solo queue is where people actually try to win as those ranks actually mean anything.
I try hard in flex with my friends idk what u talking about, heck I even try hard solo in flex
@@zaidnauman7798 you may be that little 10% who takes flex seriously.
@@Bendzsike 5%
"as those ranks actually mean anything"
The hell are you talking about?
What do you get from ranking up in solo that you don't get in flex?
In fact it's stupid that flex isn't taken more seriously than solo since it's a team effort in a team game. The fact that solo is taken more seriously is a completely ego driven thing.
There is actually a simple fix for Flex Queue, make it like ARAM mmr. The High ranking player always loses rank if they are paired with low rank players and vice versa.
Funfact: the last season EUNE Flex challenger player was an e-girl, who got boosted by his boyfriend and his simps, she even posted her "success" on social media and lol related groups... Sometimes these are not offical boosters just high elo friendgropups. My friend was a part of this group, he invited me to play 1 game with them, the egirl played terribly...
Really well made video, interesting the whole way through and not unnecessarily long to where it gets boring.
Thanks sk2pper! Glad you enjoyed
It's really a shame people don't value flex as much. For me personally, playing as 5 allows for much more in depth communication and macro play compared to solo/duo. Even team fights become a lot more coordinated and interesting. Flex has the potential of being closer to actual pro play than solo duo ever would, but Riot doesn't give it the respect it needs. Maybe they should just bring back ranked 5s.
Thanks for exposing this and doing the research, very interesting
This was a problem in Heroes of the Storm when they merged their solo/duo queue with their team queue. They solved it by having every team with a player of diamond 1 and above have the mmr of the highest player. That way it doesn't matter if he's with 4 plats or 4 challengers, he will get matched on a challenger level.
I imagine their queue is a lot longer then. If that's the system they use (which tbh isn't bad) then getting queued with someone that is higher rank than you must feel really bad, so they would minimize that in their queues, which means it takes longer to find the right people. Which also means that it's easier to win trade since the pool of people that you can get queued with is a lot smaller. Idk tho just some speculation and thoughts I had thinking about that
Cheating in flex has been a thing for years and years. I played in flex queue to master tier a few years ago and mostly played at night. I ran into the same group of Chinese named boosters/win traders almost every time I played. They'd run one group in a five stack, and have multiple groups of 2-3 to queue at the same time. The smaller groups would intentionally throw the game to boost the five stack whenever they successfully got into the same game together, and since flex was pretty much dead at night, they were able to do it pretty consistently. And the win traders didn't even try to hide what they were doing. Every game that I got them on my team would start off with them pinging "on the way" on a bush, where the enemy five stack would be waiting. Then they'd 'accidentally' die for first blood, along with whoever they managed to bait with them. After that, they'd just screw around until the game was over and we would inevitably lose.
In Brazil we have 1 vs 1 mode and isn't mordekaiser ult, is called tipspace, and is freaking awesome.
That's some great content. Investigation, dedication, good video editing. All that I need!
Just wanted to say I found this video through the RUclips short you put up about it. Keep it up, it works!:)
Personally I play flex 1000x more than I play solo even when I'm playing alone because then I know at least 2 of my teammates are communicating with each other. Solo que has always felt like a FFA which for a team based game just feels very unhealthy
i really liked this new video 'format'. everything you explained was easy to follow and understand and i really enjoyed it bro
thanks a lot! I'm glad you enjoyed!
We need to boost this video so riot will fix this fucking game. What a joke. Well done research though! Love your vids and thanks for all you do.
Why fix a game mode no one plays?
@@TheGRAclan Twisted Treeline flashbacks intensifies
Negleting a mode is the easiest way to get rid of it without much outcry
@@fIayff I loved Twisted Treeline
@@haoye2413 same, especially the original version of the map, it was so much more fun before they added the altars and removed buff camps from the map
@@iced- i wish lol will bring back good old map creator option, people can create real custom mod and share with community.
For anyone wondering, this is the same exact thing that was happening in TT, they removed trioQ for a while then nobody played it anymore, then they put it back and said that they won't give any reward anymore then they deleted the queue
TT???
@@zeon_trl1326 Twisted Treeline (the 3v3 map)
Oh fuuuuuuck you reminded me of the best game mode xD
It was so fun back in the days to just queue up and cheese hoes on TT.
Great Video!
I didn't even thought this could be a Problem because I assumed a Challenger in a ~Flex Rank game should get like 1 LP for a win.
Such an easy fix and it would destroy most of the boosting System
Agree, I you have Plat friends as challenger you should get literally nothing consider you most likely gonna match up with a weaker enem
And they can do it: in Valorant u gain much lower points if u have lower ranked teammates
They should make star guardian
@@skywalkerjohn8965 Nope, you should just be matched with people of your elo only. If you are bronze you play vs bronze, if you are silver you play vs silver and so on. Can't play with your friends? shame, go play normal. Or your forever going to keep these huge gaps in team comps.
hot take, they should add per game performance-based LP gain so you know, you cant just tank your MMR to +9 per win and boost like this
Actual good take
@@sSynclare no, I made this comment because I get +7 per win
Edit: in plat
While I would like this in a perfect scenario, I think its impossible for it to work well. Why should I get 5lp in a win where I went 0/2 and 80cs down because I was permadived 1v3 toplane while my mid and jg camped bot and our botside just got more fed because I played way better than their botlane and died 5 less times?
@@Cindersauruss You answered your own question there.
After you were 0/2 and down 80cs, your bot lane SHOULD get more LP for carrying your sorry ass.
"Having a bad game/day" is not a valid reason for your team to carry you. Instead, after the game, head into replay, look at what on earth you could have done to prevent that 1v3. This could include not staying undertower while you are at 80% health against the Renekton, Elise duo.
( no one wants to take a terrible recall, but what's more painful:
1] recalling and losing 2 waves,
2] dying and still losing 2 waves? )
For example, if YOU were the ADC and your toplaner died to a level 2 cheese, TPed back, and then died again fighting inside a massive wave of minions. Thus at 5 minutes in the game, your toplaner has lost the first 5 waves of minions, bringing him down 3 levels. Should YOU, the botlane, and your non-autopiloting mid, & jungler get more LP for this victory? Or should they go, "oh well, my toplaner was having a bad day."
Edit: (made it more read-able)
What might help is to change the matchmaking from the average mmr from the team to highest mmr of the team. Of course if that’s for pre-made 5 man teams. For not pre-made 5 man teams the normal matchmaking might work
I do something similar with my friends in flex queue, 4 low elo accounts for 1 challanger account. The funny part is that we don’t do this to get paid. High elo flex queue only has a handful of players, meaning we mostly know each other. So getting one account to rank 1 is like a team competition of who can do it faster, the best inting strategy with the best winning strategy to optimize LP gain, the challanger account is like out “representative” in the high elo ladder. It is actually REALLY fun to do it and have whole parties compeating
That explaines so many games i didnt understood till now... Im speechless
It all just goes back to how little punishment there is for internationally losing. Yeah this would still work without it but much much harder. The whole ranked system crumbles once people try to lose.
Your vids are truly helpful man! Thank you for everything you do and i hope you have a great day! (Btw what is the song called during the sponsorship, please?)
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@@OutsideJoke Thank you so much!❤️❤️
Great video keep up the good work
finally someone makes a video about it, this has been going on since the flex Q release (back then they used to be able to play with iron accounts, riot added the platinum wall just bcs of those people), almost the whole euw chally ladder was boosted (in flex)
In season 2020 I hit challenger in flex queue. This has actually been going on in the flex queue ladder for seasons. Most people just never realized it. It actually used to be worse where challenger players could queue with any rank. So a challenger player could play with iron 4. It’s not always that the groups of challenger teams are boosters, for example the group of players I was playing with at the time were not boosters, we just wanted to be challenger in flex and have fun playing with each other; However, there are definitely a lot of groups in the flex community that are boosting accounts and selling them.
There are actually multiple reasons that the challenger flex players play with lower account teammates. Queue times are lower when 4 of the 5 players are on lower accounts. If all 5 players were on challenger accounts queue times can sometimes be an hour long. Also if everyone played on challenger accounts, you’d gain less LP per win and lose more LP per loss. For example if everyone was on a challenger account and won a game, on average you’d gain around 6-8 lp per win, which is an extremely low number. While if that team lost, they could easily lose 30 lp from one loss. So losing one game lost your about 4 wins of progress, it was super detrimental. You practically had to win every game if you wanted to make any progress. Unless you had about an 80% win rate or higher you weren’t climbing the ladder. Which incentivized teams to have 4 players smurf for one person. So winning games was more guaranteed.
3v3 had this same exact issue for its ranked mode lol
i remember the same method being used in valorant where radiants queued with iron and bronze players which were smurfs and dropping the average rank by alot
I'm glad this has been done and so obviously taken advantage of. It opens up a little bit of hope that Riot might do better.
Not likely.
4:18 aatrox vs gp clip is literally 3/4 of my games as a silver 2 (well now bronze) aatrox main
I made these calculations for a project at the University a couple years ago for LAS Server, and here they do exactly the same for Ranked Flex. It's a "prosperous business", some might say.
I knew it was bad in flex, which is why I never went near it, since I knew stuff like this was going on, but never realized just how much it was going on. Any league player, at one point, would have heard about higher ranked accounts playing with lower ranked accounts in flex queue. However, I never thought that the problem was this bad before today.
Ayo nice video, i just wanna say that I notice that sound is not really synced with video. Not a big deal tho. Keep going bro
From experience I can say that plat accounts are almost necessary to get to challenger, this is due to queue times getting extremely long and the Lp gains being very low if playing with higher ranked accounts most of the times around 9LP. Making it a very time consuming process. This as well as having to dodge red side for normal Lp gains, the difference between red and blue side in terms of Lp is massive making it more time efficient to only play on blue side.
Not true, I reached Challenger in Flex solely by queueing solo. Here and there I played with friends, but mostly solo.
loving this type of content!
what is that website u used to see what friends they paly with and so on?
the network-like one?
Did you check if there are acounts that boost multiple acounts? If an acount boosts both the #1 and #2 its probably selling boosting services, but if each boosting acount only boosts one person its most likely just sweats boosting for the sake of it
Yeah each of the boosting accounts have multiple clients or "challengers" that they play with and boost. It isn't just 1 person. LPL Add Oils boosting team helped boost multiple different accounts
great to see that riot has this exact same problem in 2 of their games
great video!!!!!! i knew they were up to some shady stuff man
How to fix Flex Queue:
1. Add Team Guilds and/or make it exclusive to it.
2. Add a leaderboard system.
3. Your Flex rank is your Guild rank, not individual flex rank.
4. You can only play as 2 or more (legit tho, why can you play as 1 when Solo queue exists?)
This way, Official Teams (like T1) can tryhard or Practice to the top rank and Guilds/Teams with no experience to official tournaments can learn from in-game experience. Besides, it would be pretty funny to see full EG roster vs C9 duking it out every 3 days.
Eventually, no-name Guilds that can rival official teams will pop out. I mean, there are 100mil players and multiple no-team Challengers from multiple servers so statistically, it should happen.
It would also be pretty funny if let's say, Dignitas is top 1 NA and they manage to lose to a no-name guild. Or better yet, a No-name Guild full of randoms is Top 1.
I recently saw 500 lp chall in my aram game who used similar tactics to reach chall in flex ranked despite only being plat 1 in solo ranked. I hope riot did smth before this happened at all.
I have found the Sherlock Holmes of league! Nice work detective! :)
loved the game keep it up man
Very good video but you forgot to mention something : they queue up with plat not only to match easy team but also to decrease the time to find a match.
As there is very few people playing in high elo flex, queue can easily last more that 30 minute.
But it you queue up with low elo player the queue will be shorter
Thing is this also happens in Valorant people 5 stack ranked with 4 low elo accounts (actually hig elo players) and one high elo account in order to get radiant or immortal
i knew this was gonna happen the moment i heard about no rank restrictions, something very similar happened to another game i played (minion masters). i just had no idea it was on such a big scale but now that i think about it, im not surprised thats how the community always was i just dont understand how riot let it be. flex has no meaning at this point its just a ranked normal
I remember hearing about this a while back, the main account getting boosted had abysmal gameplay as a support or something. Whole thing is kinda funny, gaming the system.
Midbeast also covered this on his channel a couple months back,its widely known but Riot just dont care which is shocking.
This has been going on for years i doubt riot will care people did the same thing in 3v3 mode we use to have
Anyone know the website he uses to break down an accounts top played with list of players?
Riot actually got rid of twisted treeline, but kept flex que.
I wouldn't doubt it if those players are the only ones playing flex. It's almost a ghost zone when trying to play in low elo flex.
Thanks for your effort on exposing shenanigans like this lately!
Hope this will reach some dev
This would be fixed if they made it so the highest mmr player is who the matchmaking is build around. You're hardstuck plat, and you want your chall friend to play with you? Cool, but be ready to have chall mmr for the game, though.
When ur in the middle of the ladder u don't have to face any one of these probs xD
In dota 2 this is far more prevalent because they removed the equivalent of flex queue = party mmr. They merged flex q and solo q basically so we got boosted trash on very high elo games or 5 man queueing divine=masters acc 1 immortal = challenger and they'll be matched against very low elo players.
I finished flex challenger this season with 4 friends on euw. Even if you dont boost accounts: The problem you have if you play flex against this kind of teams with a high rank account and 4 low plats: you gain almost no lp if you win against them. Right now if i play with my 4 challenger friends vs a booster team and we lose, we lose 20-28 lp and gain 8 if we win. With the boost strat the gains are normal again. If you want to fix the Problem you should give a lp penalty to the high rank account if the rank gap is too big. The Lp distribution is the biggest insentive to put all this extra work in plat accounts.
We play flex queue with the boys (diamond - iron buddies) and our rankings are anywhere from iron to plat in flex. We encounter masters players with our bronze guys on our team and they freak out cause they’re nowhere near good enough to win
Thanks for the video buddy, I thought many times how he has such a wr thinking a pro team may be, I am the rank 2 worlds flex guy below him^-^
It's not even a sad realization anymore that Riot just isn't going to do anything about this (on a grand scale) and never will. It happens so much and there's so much to keep track of, they don't have the team size or resources to do anything about it. There was a tweet I saw that said "League of Legends is flooded with pro-players and wanna-be pro-players to the point where casuals can't enjoy the game". That's not even mentioning smurfing and balancing. I had a game today where the enemy Diana alone had 1.6 million Mastery points, and 3 others with over 100k. 1 person on my team had 338k, then everyone else either locked or under 30k.
Well now your Channel Name fits perfect here its an Outside Joke in the face of everyone
at the end of the season you see a lot of boosting in solo duo aswell, like plat 3 support main all of a sudden only plays adc, mvp, fed, 10cs/min every single game and has a top laner duo that also gets fed everygame, yeah sure why not
absolutely disgusting and very unsportsmanship behaviour.
me and one of my friend already reached out to a bigger youtuber last year ago because of this and not alot happened...
idk, i think its hillarious and when both of the similar teams are playing against each other.. it gets kinda funny,
And I dont think they getting paid for it.. I think most of them just climb the ladder to get prestige.. idk
There is same thing with Valorant where 4 low elo smurfs boosting high elo player, there is restriction that you have to be in 5 stack to play and you get 25% less RR but it still doesn’t help much
I like playing flex and some of my friends are bronze or silver so I like that the criteria for playing with friends is quite open but I think that at high ELO play they should change that somewhat
Great video! Ignore the "Its flex who cares🤓" comments lmao
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I was master 100 lp my friend was 200 lp, we used to wait 20 mins at saturdays to get into a game, While this is "legally" schetchy i still believe that the option to play with plat players while u are challenger is a healty option so that you dont wait 20 mins for games, still bad for the ladder but at the end of they day my time is more important than enemies elo.
Just say that you want to boost your ego playing vs low elo players as a master... No need to be ashamed of it
For me flex comes second and thats why my solo q rank is higher than flex q, so no its not an ego thing i rly dont care about flex, so i dont get what i should be ashamed of? should i be ashamed of valuing my time over riot's matchmaking?
Dota got around this issue by weighing the highest ranked player on a team significantly more than others when in party queue. So, 1 challenger 4 plat would result in near challenger, or even challenger team elo.
This is how fighting for madara must have felt
If riot is going to get rid of duo queue in ranked like riot has been talking about they have to fix flex queue first otherwise they are going to lose a lot of players.
a solution coult be that the average rank of the players could be only a maximum of 1 rank off of both the highest amd lowest ranked players in the team (for example, if if the team's average rank is gold, only olayers from silver to plat could be in his team, that way if a player is challenger, lowest ranked player in his flex team could only be masters)
this is just the conquences of having a game mode that you can play with your friends with, and it def worth that. I don't want to see riot fix this if they make it harder to play with friends.
The issue that my friends have is that we are decently good and high-plat/diamond is our goal to get if we played flex but knowing how bad the games are there just makes it a super unfun grind. We would rather just fuck around in normals than work our asses off just so we can come up against smurf accounts breaking the system
Did you even watch the video?
@@Cindersauruss bro i play with my friends on hihg plat/diamodn flex and that elos is a joke you see a lot people there that have the mechanics and map awarness of Gold or even Silver players dont use that excuse you guys gotta improve 95% the time you think oh it was a smurf it really wasnt.
What pisses me off is all the games they purposely lost. Literally they type of shit that ruins this game.
As a silver player, “huh neat.” *continues on with life unaffected*
Lmao I thought this was about ranked but it turns out it was just flex, had me worried for a second!
Wait now i need to find that one flex i had were i was against a challenger Poppy ADC, i was like P3 at the time and we got stomp so fcking hard
I'm actually curious to see if it's also a big thing on EUW server
The black market being used is wechat, also known as 'vx' or 'wx' in player tags. This has been going on for YEARS, by the way. Everyone who has ever tried to play flex high elo 'fairly' or by themselves/with a friend is aware of it, but Riot doesn't care. It's a massive rabbit-hole, because wintrading is ALSO common.
1 problem to think about is that if you try playing wth 5 high challenger accounts in flex you will never find a game
fun fact: "add oil" is the direct translation of the chinese slang meaning: you've got this! come on! you can do it!
There is a booster problem in every online game with a ranking system. Even if you don't have paid booster teams, people still want to play with their low elo friends all the time.
Ever since Riot paired up T1 with "low" elo accounts on the korean servers for easy wintrades, I'm not surprised by anything in this game. Not to mention his games against betting site teams...
i just play soloq normal draft pick so I have no idea about this lol
valorant has pretty much this same issue, high level players 5 stacking with 4 silver-bronze accounts to boost themselves.
and just so everybody knows. in low tier soloQ this same thing is happening.
and its really what ELO hell is.
because you have people with consisten 10 win 10 loss. they play 10 games as a carry, then 10 games as stupid supports like zil/nunu/yummi and just troll side lanes.
its not that we blame "bad players" for the loss.
we lose because one or two of our team mates are actively trying to lose the game. and thats the goal they have, when loading up league.
Its ssd that people have no better things to do than playing a lot games in day to boost someones account to super high LP challenger and then intentionaly lose games to keep their accounts at platinum
Honestly I just had a bunch of unwinnable flex games against premades of 5 . The setup goes like this A master/diamond player+ 2 players gold+ 2 players bronze and they get matched with me, silver 1. Bronze acccounts are also questionable players, level 30~~50 accounts....
PC should just copy how WR takes their own flex queue match making process where; there is only a certain range on where you can invite players of different ranks and rank tiers. And if you have, for example, a diamond/master player and all the other people are atleast emerald (rank tier between platinum and diamond in wr) or diamond will play against master or diamond players, to even out, because sometimes the flex queue doesnt queue with other players who flex queues but meets with enemy randos instead.
Flex is just normals with a chance of getting a chroma for the seasonal Victorious skin. Nobody will take flex seriously. None of my friends or even people I know takes flex seriously. Flex is just for ego boost to get the border you want, but don't deserve on SoloQ. I never climb above gold in flex, I take the hassle to get my account to gold only to get the chroma.
True
You don't take Flex seriously, but you take it seriously to at least climb to gold?
I think riot probably has some idea and just doesn't care about the situation
As a person who don't care about Ranked, I guess everyone is the SpiffingBrit
I usually only play league with 3+ people so flex is usually the way to go for us. But very rarely i q up solo to get my gold rewards. It is true that most of the player base doesn't take flex seriously but compared to solo at least in silver/gold/plat, flex teams almost always have people talking od discord and nobody is flaming anybody cause they are friends. With that being said the challenge and competitiveness i feel from flex is coming from no coinflips on people, communication, rotations, plus they usually try and pick a good team comp. I can't even count the times i got fked in solo because our comp is trash.
THIS. That exactly the point I try to make when my friends praise solo/DuoQ so much. League is a team game and not a game were you have to pray you can actually play as a team with 3 to 4 random people :/ It's like in pro play player should play with random other pro player each game ? It would be dumb cause in a lot of cases, team are formed to have good synergy among their player + they HAVE to train together to perform on stage
I know a lot of people will disagree but i think there only should be flex q (2 player to 5) and SOLOQ (No duoQ) cause actually you give advantage to duoQ player and allow boosting way much easier. That wouldn't fix boosting problem in flex but i would agree that soloQ player deserve their praise (In a sense were they can adapt to everyone ans still win )
Also League is better with friends (most of the time)
And bring back PvE modes :(
The best option would be a zero tolerance thing like what they did with the chat. Obvious signs of boosting should result in a PERMANENT ban. Any subsequent accounts created by the user will also be banned.
This isn't something that's easy to hide, after all. Yes, 4 plats with a challenger is possible, but the only thing you'd need to look at is the win rate of the challenger account in the team to fish out boosting.
I also wonder how many accounts they boost to then sell
u sound like mark rober with the music in the start too
league players will create a conspiracy theory before accepting that they got outplayed
it’s like that in soloq just filled with chinese boosters and wintraders it’s been like that for a long time
How to fix: no flexies leaderboard apart from listing who's at what rank