afganistan,tacikistan,özbekistan,yakutistan,türkistan,azerbaycan,pakistan,türkmenistan,çin,suriye,ırak,iran,lübnan,yemen,israil-golan tepeleri,avrupa,rumeli,balkanlar ve tüm dünyadaki alevi canlarımıza selamlar,saygılar.istanbul ili halkalı semtindeki ve tüm türkiyedeki canlar olarak yanınızdayız.gelin canlar bir olalım.bismişah allah allah(DERSİMLİ ALEVİ ZAZA)
Alevism is tied to any ethnic group who have Alevi community. There are about 12 million to 15 million (according to different resources) in Turkey since there are only around 40,000 Aynu people. As a person from an Alevi family in Turkey, I never claimed that origins of this heterodox belief is Anatolia.
It is just interesting, there is no any connection between Anatolia and Badakhshan in last five centuries. But it seems like there are a lot of similarities between Anatolian (Turkish/Kurdish/Zaza), Arabian, Kurdish (Yarsan) and Iranian Alevis.
Not really the connection is hajj Bektashi and alawites. The connection is the of the southern Arabians and levantine Shias who would have alawi consorts (hence why some Alevi communities like pamiris got absorbed as Ismailis due to being cut off from other Alevis in the modern world and Ismailis being more organized. Sometimes Ismailis and Alevis were interchangeable which caused confusion. The fatamids would then extend to Persia which would influence hajj bektash. This would then spread to Central Asia (hence why you see Ainu Alevi Uighurs in China and pamiri Ismailis who use Alevi practices) which would then translate to its popularity among Anatolia due to its popularity among Persians and central Asians who besides Greeks would have the most influence on modern Turkish culture. Then after a good amount adopted it in Turkey they would set up missionaries in Balkans, Greece, Bulgaria (hence why there are seperate bektashi, alian, and Alevi groups in those countries). They would then convert Kurds and Zazas who were zaydis at the time to Alevi way of Shias. So no it didn’t happen through magic like you nationalist, historical revisionist state.
@@vannakinder352 Sure but if we are talking about Hadji Bektash or Fatimis, we should talk about even 8 centuries past. Since the conflicts between Shah Ismail and Ottomans, the connection between Anatolia and Iran became partly isolated. And I didn't talk about any kind of magic. It is just interesting that Alevi, Alawi, Yarsani etc. people are still keeping their traditions and still have many common practices without having any direct connection. I am agree that, Turkey and Unionist Ottomans have this weird nationalist regime in last 150 years. What what did I write was not related with it. You just want to see it in that way.
afganistan,tacikistan,özbekistan,yakutistan,türkistan,azerbaycan,pakistan,türkmenistan,çin,suriye,ırak,iran,lübnan,yemen,israil-golan tepeleri,avrupa,rumeli,balkanlar ve tüm dünyadaki alevi canlarımıza selamlar,saygılar.istanbul ili halkalı semtindeki ve tüm türkiyedeki canlar olarak yanınızdayız.gelin canlar bir olalım.bismişah allah allah(DERSİMLİ ALEVİ ZAZA)
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I honestly don’t understand people who say Alevism is tied to Kurds or Turks especially considering the oldest Alevi group being Ainu Uighurs.
Alevism is tied to any ethnic group who have Alevi community. There are about 12 million to 15 million (according to different resources) in Turkey since there are only around 40,000 Aynu people. As a person from an Alevi family in Turkey, I never claimed that origins of this heterodox belief is Anatolia.
It is just interesting, there is no any connection between Anatolia and Badakhshan in last five centuries. But it seems like there are a lot of similarities between Anatolian (Turkish/Kurdish/Zaza), Arabian, Kurdish (Yarsan) and Iranian Alevis.
Not really the connection is hajj Bektashi and alawites. The connection is the of the southern Arabians and levantine Shias who would have alawi consorts (hence why some Alevi communities like pamiris got absorbed as Ismailis due to being cut off from other Alevis in the modern world and Ismailis being more organized. Sometimes Ismailis and Alevis were interchangeable which caused confusion. The fatamids would then extend to Persia which would influence hajj bektash. This would then spread to Central Asia (hence why you see Ainu Alevi Uighurs in China and pamiri Ismailis who use Alevi practices) which would then translate to its popularity among Anatolia due to its popularity among Persians and central Asians who besides Greeks would have the most influence on modern Turkish culture. Then after a good amount adopted it in Turkey they would set up missionaries in Balkans, Greece, Bulgaria (hence why there are seperate bektashi, alian, and Alevi groups in those countries). They would then convert Kurds and Zazas who were zaydis at the time to Alevi way of Shias. So no it didn’t happen through magic like you nationalist, historical revisionist state.
@@vannakinder352 Sure but if we are talking about Hadji Bektash or Fatimis, we should talk about even 8 centuries past. Since the conflicts between Shah Ismail and Ottomans, the connection between Anatolia and Iran became partly isolated.
And I didn't talk about any kind of magic. It is just interesting that Alevi, Alawi, Yarsani etc. people are still keeping their traditions and still have many common practices without having any direct connection.
I am agree that, Turkey and Unionist Ottomans have this weird nationalist regime in last 150 years. What what did I write was not related with it. You just want to see it in that way.
Bunlar İsmaili, Alevi değil.
are they alevis? I thought Alevis are twelver Itnaashari
They are heterodox twelver so not it’s a ashari