have you considered the value in building Talisman of Energy on Yemoja? fully stacked, it's a massive amount of MP5 (which you know gets converted to HP5), plus the movement speed helps your team deathball while you spam 2. also, in AA comps i find the Solo Bellona/Ama/etc. will often already have Shogun's, so as Support I'll sometimes opt for Talisman.
Ive noticed you dont lime toxic blade. Isnt toxic just a hybrid item that acts like midgaurdian? Do you think its a good solo counter build item? Stacking speed against assassin + flat pen. Also in lane you are tipping scales in your favor with the steal or leveling out the trades with auto attackers.
Envenomed exe is 10x better than toxic blade. Exe gives shred, attack speed, anti heal, anti shield, etc. Toxic blade doesnt increase your damage at all nor does it make you tanky. Thats why its bad. Hope this helps
Auto attack speed reduction also doesn’t stack with multiple items. (Ie midgard and toxic blade don’t stack, the stronger one overrules the weaker one) They do however stack with horrific
I miss being able to be tanky as a support. The early game kill potential is fun, but tanking late game has been a pain in the ass ever since they gutted mitigations.
@Dpressd568 For the first 15 minutes or so, yeah. It's a blast having kill potential and being a primary engager. Late game is ass, though, with all the pen and %hp damage nuking you even harder than it did before.
@@BasedChadman yeah it's called front to back u engage then u move back to your carries unless you're a dive comp theres no reason for you to be getting hit like that so yes just dodge it
I always use prophetic cloak and gauntlet of thebes together. Good idea? Bad idea? I know it depends on the god. But giving off a lot of prots is worth no?
Some can utilize it, but you stall your build SSSSOOOOOOOO HARD and with the 9.5 revert even having supports swing hard on damage. Mitigations might not be worth investing at the moment.
It’s partially this and partially that delaying your build THAT hard is very tough. If you get ahead or have a god that can stack very easy, it’s still good
You NEVER want to use any other starter besides support for the role. If you do, you not only leech off more xp and gold off your carry, but also don't provide any helpful aura effects
@papermachete8071 not just that, it's literally useless in lanes. My guess he was thinking of the hp5 and mp5 increase.... guess he didn't bother to read the item description
When talking about Mystical Mail, You say You don't like it, because "you get bursted way too quickly and you don't have the base tankiness to make use of it". Care to elaborate? How a support Guardian, the highest base prot archetype, usually stacking only prots, doesn't have the tankiness to pull of MM? I get that everything is easier to kill in 11.6, but if the tankiest god has no use for MM, then who has? Is it just a situational item for solo laners? The stats don't differ that much from others in Iron Mail tree, so it's not like the item is just the passive. I'm just confused here. I wouldn't say MM is mandatory or great, it's certainly situational, but Your argument against it I don't quite get.
You’re behind in support. Having levels as a warrior in solo is better than being a guardian as a support. Is it even great in solo? Not really. It’s a pretty underwhelming item now
@@Inbowned True, I guess. Though I'm not sure how long one would have to live to make use of the passive. I mainly use it to prevent enemies from blinking past me into the backline, as weirdly as it sounds.
@@BasedChadman they wont revert it, becouse W and Leftclick holders will cry out. Before hybrid items was removed even without any pen you got decent power to you scalling skills which helped you being in front tanky and being damage. Now you cant as warrior do much 1vs1 its 50% either you kill them or they burb relics and run away. I miss nemeian armor ti deal with thise pesky adc's. Also i miss stacjable AS reduction, Manakin + Frostbound + (old witch blade with 60 physical def) now every hynter have 2.3 AS latr game and Midguard + bewithed dagger does nothing as you get killed by quins. Before pre nerfs we had Sunderin axe, manticore spikes, glad shield and druid stone. Poof huge nerfs. Then whe had very fun Midiagtion build, Sigil, Prothetic, gaia, berserk, oni and spirit, which gave you 325 each prots and massive midigations) it was fun to really being nearly unkillable and guess what you only had a 35 power from sigil and you less than base damage, but ADC were comolaining as F. Massive Nerf Hammer, and guess what? Mage solo dominated solo lane. Poof Magrs dominated the solo lane. Then
I know you stream, but can we maybe see some support games on your channel?
His second channel has gameplay videos uploaded Monday through Friday! Typically one support game per week :)
@@Str8Mario oh thanks
Could be helpful to say this at the beginning or end of every video for people who don’t know
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Love these vids! Keep up the great work as always, brother!
Appreciate it very much!
have you considered the value in building Talisman of Energy on Yemoja? fully stacked, it's a massive amount of MP5 (which you know gets converted to HP5), plus the movement speed helps your team deathball while you spam 2. also, in AA comps i find the Solo Bellona/Ama/etc. will often already have Shogun's, so as Support I'll sometimes opt for Talisman.
I like having Thebes, sov, and void. Makes diving your backline feel bad for the enemy jungler.
Ive noticed you dont lime toxic blade. Isnt toxic just a hybrid item that acts like midgaurdian? Do you think its a good solo counter build item? Stacking speed against assassin + flat pen. Also in lane you are tipping scales in your favor with the steal or leveling out the trades with auto attackers.
Envenomed exe is 10x better than toxic blade. Exe gives shred, attack speed, anti heal, anti shield, etc. Toxic blade doesnt increase your damage at all nor does it make you tanky. Thats why its bad. Hope this helps
@@nickpenlnd5500ahh yes i can see how exe performs much better here
Auto attack speed reduction also doesn’t stack with multiple items. (Ie midgard and toxic blade don’t stack, the stronger one overrules the weaker one)
They do however stack with horrific
@@Inbowned ahh that is good info
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I miss being able to be tanky as a support. The early game kill potential is fun, but tanking late game has been a pain in the ass ever since they gutted mitigations.
Support feels amazing right now support is an enabler not a tank so it feels absolutely amazing
@Dpressd568 For the first 15 minutes or so, yeah. It's a blast having kill potential and being a primary engager.
Late game is ass, though, with all the pen and %hp damage nuking you even harder than it did before.
@@BasedChadman I mean u could just not get hit lol position is 90% of the game again
@@Dpressd568 Yeah, just dodge every single aoe while engaging and peeling, sure
@@BasedChadman yeah it's called front to back u engage then u move back to your carries unless you're a dive comp theres no reason for you to be getting hit like that so yes just dodge it
I always use prophetic cloak and gauntlet of thebes together. Good idea? Bad idea? I know it depends on the god. But giving off a lot of prots is worth no?
Some can utilize it, but you stall your build SSSSOOOOOOOO HARD and with the 9.5 revert even having supports swing hard on damage. Mitigations might not be worth investing at the moment.
It’s partially this and partially that delaying your build THAT hard is very tough. If you get ahead or have a god that can stack very easy, it’s still good
🤔 is it time to bring the wolf back to support? 🤔
what do you think about eye of the jungle in support on assassins?
No.....
Bad
You NEVER want to use any other starter besides support for the role. If you do, you not only leech off more xp and gold off your carry, but also don't provide any helpful aura effects
@@Inbowned what patch was it where some people were doing that it was a recent one
@papermachete8071 not just that, it's literally useless in lanes. My guess he was thinking of the hp5 and mp5 increase.... guess he didn't bother to read the item description
ahhh yes cant wait to see arachne support trolls ruining my games! 💀
When talking about Mystical Mail, You say You don't like it, because "you get bursted way too quickly and you don't have the base tankiness to make use of it". Care to elaborate? How a support Guardian, the highest base prot archetype, usually stacking only prots, doesn't have the tankiness to pull of MM? I get that everything is easier to kill in 11.6, but if the tankiest god has no use for MM, then who has? Is it just a situational item for solo laners? The stats don't differ that much from others in Iron Mail tree, so it's not like the item is just the passive. I'm just confused here. I wouldn't say MM is mandatory or great, it's certainly situational, but Your argument against it I don't quite get.
You’re behind in support. Having levels as a warrior in solo is better than being a guardian as a support. Is it even great in solo? Not really. It’s a pretty underwhelming item now
@@Inbowned True, I guess. Though I'm not sure how long one would have to live to make use of the passive. I mainly use it to prevent enemies from blinking past me into the backline, as weirdly as it sounds.
@@RXA623 think I’d prefer contagion as an anti blink item but I get the mm thought
Nah still quins shreads everything dosent mattwr what you build
Exactly why we need more mitigation. At the very least, cap it at 40% and not just 25
@@BasedChadman they wont revert it, becouse W and Leftclick holders will cry out. Before hybrid items was removed even without any pen you got decent power to you scalling skills which helped you being in front tanky and being damage. Now you cant as warrior do much 1vs1 its 50% either you kill them or they burb relics and run away.
I miss nemeian armor ti deal with thise pesky adc's. Also i miss stacjable AS reduction, Manakin + Frostbound + (old witch blade with 60 physical def) now every hynter have 2.3 AS latr game and Midguard + bewithed dagger does nothing as you get killed by quins.
Before pre nerfs we had Sunderin axe, manticore spikes, glad shield and druid stone. Poof huge nerfs.
Then whe had very fun Midiagtion build, Sigil, Prothetic, gaia, berserk, oni and spirit, which gave you 325 each prots and massive midigations) it was fun to really being nearly unkillable and guess what you only had a 35 power from sigil and you less than base damage, but ADC were comolaining as F. Massive Nerf Hammer, and guess what? Mage solo dominated solo lane.
Poof Magrs dominated the solo lane.
Then