As much as I love that piece, it’s not really a cello sonata. It’s more like a piano sonata with an obligatory cello. For every note the cello plays, the piano plays like 8 it’s not even funny.
@@mostafa12890 everyone always tells me that when I mention this piece. I get it, the piano plays a lot lol. But the cello part is still absolutely ungodly beautiful and amazing as a stand-alone.
I'm not a cellist, but I always thought the Prokofiev Sinfonia Concertante was the most difficult (though I guess technically not a concerto if it's not called that?)
I'm a violinist and i confirm that my first concert that i've studied was the Vivaldi's concert in A minor. It was beautiful and after i studied the Bach's Concert in A minor.
Their both brutal. As a violinist I'd say the hardest is trying not to tense up. My neck left shoulder and forearm is in pain. I'm not cellist but it seems you all able to sit down with ease.
Thumb is on fire because of octaves. Bow is pronated so hard the entire time that it’s hard to relax and simply use your natural weight. Yeah both are tough to stay relaxed. Altho optimally a great player can stay relaxed in both scenarios
I'd argue that the Mendelssohn violin concerto is the most famous violin concerto. I think almost everyone have heard the opening of it. I think the same goes for Vivaldi's "Spring" from the four seasons.
I’d argue that everyone has heard Tchaikovsky from rehearsal A, and difficulty, and I wouldn’t consider Mendelssohn concerto to be one of the romantic giants, in both difficulty and scale
Great video, just some notes For the first concerto violin students play, I'd put Oskar Rieding's violin concerto in B Minor. Apart from that, for the "Most Beautiful Pieces" section, I wouldn't put The Swan or Franck's sonata although that's purely subjective.
I think he refers to the basic repertoire of a good violinist. Bruch and Mendelssohn are at the bottom of the well known violin concertos. But I also don’t think that Mendelssohn is the first, I would say Bruch. It’s just easier to execute whereas Mendelssohn will sound very bad when you don’t get the gist of it
even tho i am a cellist/bassist i would argue that haydn c is most comprable to mozart vln concerto 3 in g, even the emotion is similar (correct me if you disagree) also mendellson is probs more similar to something like elgar e minor, as it is more muscally complex and is learned later down the line
@@Leon-or4yk Mendelssohn is 100% not a student concerto, but it's definitely one of the "easier" concerto's. It's around in the middle so like from easy to hard it would go something like Vivaldi A minor concerto Kabalevsky // Accolay Violin Concerto Mendelssohn Tchaikovsky Sibelius Shostakovich No. 1 Paganini No. 1 (very summarized)
I think the most beautiful violin work for me would be the first movement of Ysaye’s 5th sonata. Goosebumps every time. It is hard to definitively choose a “most” beautiful one though
I definitely agree although this list is mainly standard rep so Ligeti wouldn't fit at all. For unaccompanied solo, I would also say that something like Sciarrino's 6 caprices or Cage's Freeman Etudes would be the most difficult. But it is a mainstream rep list.
@@ghysals oh. He's a RUclipsr, you should check him out, he ranks classical pieces by difficulty, and he does delve a lot into the obscure and avant-garde, thus including Sciarrino and Cage in his "100 hardest pieces for violin" video, ending with the ligeti concerto at no.1, Sciarrino and Cage are also in the Top 10 if I remember correctly.
Rep lists are pretty innacurate and kinda risky, like if u call the frank sonata the most beautiful violin piece you are asking for an early death. Also only takes pieces only from the mainstream rep which is sad but not you’re fault (mainstream rep is pretty eh anyways, ig it’s hard to dig up a hidden gem quickly). Good job overall ig
Yeah, I just wanted to compile some of my favorite pieces from both instruments. I did some research and saw a lot of people online saying franck sonata was the most beautiful, which is why I picked it.
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Cutting off the Dvorak concerto before the orchestra came back in was downright criminal
It hurt my cello heart. Thats one of the most epic moments of the Dvorak Cello Concerto TUT.
Same treatment for Tchaïkovski's tho
Are you sure Mendelssohn is the first violin concerto students plays? Kinda hard being others concertos way easier that Mendelssohn one
Yeah
yeah, there are easier ones like accolay violin concerto
@@danielprochazka807 i think they’re reffering to the first semi professional concerto that you do
@@danielprochazka807 because haydn cello concerto isnt easy
@@dexteritea2591Um also wrong because the first romantic concerto you would do would be bruch 1
The most beautiful piece for cello, the swan?
Meanwhile 3rd movement of the Rachmaninoff cello sonata 👁👄👁
As much as I love that piece, it’s not really a cello sonata. It’s more like a piano sonata with an obligatory cello. For every note the cello plays, the piano plays like 8 it’s not even funny.
@@mostafa12890 everyone always tells me that when I mention this piece. I get it, the piano plays a lot lol.
But the cello part is still absolutely ungodly beautiful and amazing as a stand-alone.
“Schubert Arpeggione Sonata in A Minor III. Allegro” 😭 When I listen this piece my heart is melting 🥰
Cello ftw
I'm not a cellist, but I always thought the Prokofiev Sinfonia Concertante was the most difficult (though I guess technically not a concerto if it's not called that?)
It counts as one in the cello literature. Honestly I thought the same although I don’t know Barbers concerto well
Yeah, Prokofiev is definitely more challenging in all of the technical aspects
@@tomsvetlit-sella3493 of standers concertos for sure, but there are some like Finzi concerto that are even harder.
3:00 Mendelssohn is too frinkin hard to be the first concerto that students play 💀.
The first violin concerto students play is bach a minor.
Or perhaps seitzs
Or Vivaldi a minor, Reiding. Then later sietz and accolaym and only after several more years would they touch mendhelson
@@Veran42 yeah
I'm a violinist and i confirm that my first concert that i've studied was the Vivaldi's concert in A minor. It was beautiful and after i studied the Bach's Concert in A minor.
@@eugeniodelvillano2843 Omg me too
Their both brutal. As a violinist I'd say the hardest is trying not to tense up. My neck left shoulder and forearm is in pain. I'm not cellist but it seems you all able to sit down with ease.
Thumb is on fire because of octaves. Bow is pronated so hard the entire time that it’s hard to relax and simply use your natural weight. Yeah both are tough to stay relaxed. Altho optimally a great player can stay relaxed in both scenarios
As a fellow cellist I agree with this list and I think you should do the best cello sonatas list, I feel like that would be a great video.
I'd argue that the Mendelssohn violin concerto is the most famous violin concerto. I think almost everyone have heard the opening of it. I think the same goes for Vivaldi's "Spring" from the four seasons.
I’d argue that everyone has heard Tchaikovsky from rehearsal A, and difficulty, and I wouldn’t consider Mendelssohn concerto to be one of the romantic giants, in both difficulty and scale
'Note im a cellist.' Thats what TwoSet should be put on their '_vs violin' videos😂
Thanks for sharing some cello repitoire with me!
Great video, just some notes
For the first concerto violin students play, I'd put Oskar Rieding's violin concerto in B Minor. Apart from that, for the "Most Beautiful Pieces" section, I wouldn't put The Swan or Franck's sonata although that's purely subjective.
I think he refers to the basic repertoire of a good violinist. Bruch and Mendelssohn are at the bottom of the well known violin concertos.
But I also don’t think that Mendelssohn is the first, I would say Bruch. It’s just easier to execute whereas Mendelssohn will sound very bad when you don’t get the gist of it
cello vs double bass next?
bro theres a lot harder unaccompanied solos and you were so close to stumbling on them through roman kim
comparing Haydn C to Mendelssohn is kinda off...Mendelssohn is rlly hard and requires precise execution , maybe Bruch is more comparable
even tho i am a cellist/bassist i would argue that haydn c is most comprable to mozart vln concerto 3 in g, even the emotion is similar (correct me if you disagree) also mendellson is probs more similar to something like elgar e minor, as it is more muscally complex and is learned later down the line
@@agente_08 ur probably right, cuz i dunno how exactly hard haydn c but i know Mendelssohn is rlly up there
@@Leon-or4yk Mendelssohn is 100% not a student concerto, but it's definitely one of the "easier" concerto's.
It's around in the middle
so like from easy to hard it would go something like
Vivaldi A minor concerto
Kabalevsky // Accolay Violin Concerto
Mendelssohn
Tchaikovsky
Sibelius
Shostakovich No. 1
Paganini No. 1
(very summarized)
@@phantasmal914 pag is below tchaik lol
@@bruhmoment-pn2tzsauret cadenza alone is harder than Tschaikowski
Cello>>>>>>
cello>>>
I think the most beautiful violin work for me would be the first movement of Ysaye’s 5th sonata. Goosebumps every time. It is hard to definitively choose a “most” beautiful one though
I feel like you chose Mendelssohn violin concerto as the first concerto students learn because Vengerov made it look easier😂 (I’m just joking)
I loved it❤ can you make one video with female representations 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Nice list.
how about violin viola
10/10 ragebait with dvorak disliking the vid
Dvorak's Concerto is the most famous? Sad
I think Elgar cello conserto is obviously more famous than Dvorak( even tho Dvorak is goated)
Anything that comes after Truls Mörk...is in disadvantage.
1:39 Prokofiev is the hardest
Yeah I agree but it’s technically not a concerto
@@SantiagoLardiez oh yea forgot
It was originally and that concerto is still the hardest.
I would have put franck sonata for cello
The truth: Franck Sonata sounds way better on the cello
jakob koranyi's recording is better for the kodaly i think,
violin wins
1:39 incorrect, the hardest violin concerto is actually Ligeti
shut up
I definitely agree although this list is mainly standard rep so Ligeti wouldn't fit at all. For unaccompanied solo, I would also say that something like Sciarrino's 6 caprices or Cage's Freeman Etudes would be the most difficult. But it is a mainstream rep list.
@@ghysals I have a feeling we both watched Caleb Hu's video on 100 hardest pieces for violin
@@itamarbar9580 Who is that? I don't think I know who that is.
@@ghysals oh. He's a RUclipsr, you should check him out, he ranks classical pieces by difficulty, and he does delve a lot into the obscure and avant-garde, thus including Sciarrino and Cage in his "100 hardest pieces for violin" video, ending with the ligeti concerto at no.1, Sciarrino and Cage are also in the Top 10 if I remember correctly.
The truth: everybody tries to find reasons the Cello is better, both at the end of the day both a very beautiful (and the violin is a little better).
violin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cello>>>>…>viola
Nah
No way, Cello>Violin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Slightly bigger Violin
hot take but im not a fan of tchaikovsky violin concerto as it just rambles on forever
Same ...tried listening again and again but still no connection to the music...Brahms is better
especially the 2nd movement , when i play it i feel lifeless
Listen to the Heifetz recording. It actually cuts most of the piece, it's far more listenable and is actually really wonderful without the rambling.
God And Jesus Will Always Love You.
Rep lists are pretty innacurate and kinda risky, like if u call the frank sonata the most beautiful violin piece you are asking for an early death. Also only takes pieces only from the mainstream rep which is sad but not you’re fault (mainstream rep is pretty eh anyways, ig it’s hard to dig up a hidden gem quickly). Good job overall ig
Yeah, I just wanted to compile some of my favorite pieces from both instruments. I did some research and saw a lot of people online saying franck sonata was the most beautiful, which is why I picked it.