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Well, you sure hit the nail on the head with Twilight and 50 Shades... That sh*t was full of wrong messages for young girls (and boys!), and I'm always glad I didn't bother reading or watching any of it as a teen. ... Just do all 10 dysfunctional tv show couples next because there sure have been a lot of those! 🙈 Mr. Big and Carrie from Sex and the City, Chuck and Blair from Gossip Girl, Olivia Pope and Jake Ballard from Scandal, Maddy and Nate from Euphoria, AND OF COURSE, Ross and Rachel from Friends! ... you know, just to name a few. 😉
Absolutely. I'll say this though; Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn before the acid bath, is better looking than Harley Quinn from all the animated versions of Batman during her time as a psychiatrist.
The fact that there are people who still genuinely see The Joker and Harley Quinn's relationship as something to be romanticized is just wrong. No more "Puddin'", no more "Mista J", just do like HBO Max and forever ship her and Poison Ivy instead.
Kinda find it funny and sweet at the same time that the most healthy relationship Harley has(via romance or friendship) is with someone who is literally toxic. Ivy's powers, I mean.
I know it's just an honorable mention, but I disagree with Belle and the Beast being toxic. Belle chose to stay with the Beast to protect her father, and rather than treat her like a prisoner, he treats her like a guest at his castle, offering her a new room and a supper. When she refuses the supper, he lets her make her choice on her own call. Plus, if we're gonna discuss the anger issues, the Beast DOES improve on this as the film goes on, and it's only until after he's improved enough that she starts to fall for him and see him as a person. Then he willingly lets Belle go, seemingly dooming his own life, because she is more important than him, letting her have free will. Idk, allowing your partner to have free will even if it costs your own life doesn't sound like a toxic partner to me.
I think you are correct, though it may have started out toxic, but Belle helps the Beast learn to love himself so that he is capable of letting her go before falling for her or being able to admit it
Yeah, the youtuber Isacc carlson made a video for why Belle did make the right choice with the beast and in it he explained why she doesn't have stockholm syndrome.
Film Theory explains this relationship regarding falling for her captor. She doesn't love him/realize she loves him until after she leaves. The staff even say that Belle has to love him back so spell isn't broken when she leaves
I mean, he is her captor, even though she "chose" to be there. And the line "either she eats with me or she doesn't eat at all" is very abusive. He also throws stuff and yells at her. Yes, he does "improve" but it's still a bad message. Abusive people don't change.
@@Mai2727 Sure, but he could've easily stopped the castle workers from tending to her at any time, but he didn't. And him changing is kinda the whole point of the movie. The Beast is a dramatically different person at the beginning and the end of the movie.
I dont think Jenny was a villain, I think she was a victim of circumstance and sexual abuse, Forrest even commenting from his perspective that her dad was always kissing and touching her and this led her to feel she wasn’t good enough to be loved which is why she hooked up with abusers in the show, got addicted to drugs and contemplated suicide. I think she felt she just wasn’t good enough to truly be loved.
And I don’t think she purposely held off telling forest about his son…he started running right when she left and she told him right when he came back. He was running for years and there were no cellphones
I agree. And even if it wasn’t the healthiest relationship, I’m not sure that adds up to a fault in the movie, as was said in the video. If nothing else, it reinforces Forrest’s unconditional love for her.
Exactly!!! Say what you will about Bella and Edward, but one can just watch the films and laugh or cringe at the dialogue and it’s fine, or at least enjoy some aspects of the films. The Fifty Shades, 365, and After series all have one major thing in common - they are about a glorified toxic relationship believing they are being romantic.
My thoughts exactly 💯! That entire series is seriously dark. The relationship itself is painful to see and don't get me started on the emotional and psychological rollercoaster we were subjected to 😒
A notable toxic movie couple is Andie Anderson and Benjamin Barry from “How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days” considering that relationship was founded on lying and manipulation, and how that relationship started out with both of them using the other to advance their respective careers.
Say what you want about most of Jenny's behavior, but the misunderstanding that viewers have of two particular plot points continues to drive me crazy: A. Jenny didn't ignore Forrest's letters from Vietnam, she was a roaming hippie and didn't have a permanent address to receive them. B. Jenny couldn't have told Forrest about their child until Forrest stopped running and settled back at home. It wasn't cruel to not tell him, it was an impossibility, a direct mirror of the earlier Vietnam letter situation.
OMG THANK YOU for putting the notebook on this list. The way the relationship started always particularly bothered me, but overall I thought their relationship was toxic AF.
I am so glad Grease is on this list. I know that social pressure and rigid cliquish conformity is what makes their relationship so toxic, but that doesn't make it any less annoying.
I disagree about Cher and Josh. They were step siblings for probably a couple of years in the past and clearly didn't have a close relationship then, and he's maybe 19 to her 16. I still think they're adorable.
I have a problem with this one because it pushes an idea that family feelings can be insta-created by marriage (and that divorce doesn't dissolve that connection). The fact is, their parents had an LA marriage and the two children never saw themselves as siblings nor did they have a sibling bond. Feelings cannot be created nor destroyed by a piece of paper. And seriously, the age gap? So they were an 11 yo girl and a 13-14 yer old boy. They wouldn't have had anything to do with each other when their parents were married. They likely had no interests or friends in common. Their "age gap" might get some side eye in the Bible belt, but in LA? Seriously? People really have no clue.
Na it's kinda weird to me. Y'all are step siblings. Just imagine if the parents had a kid and then it would literally be their sibling plus these two in a relationship and probably could get married. Ew
Referring to Beauty and the Beast simply as toxic is reductive and ignores the heart of the story. The whole point is transformation. In the beginning there was no relationship. He was her captor. She didn't choose to be there. He didn't really want her there. There was no relationship. Then they lived together, interacted, and there is a redemption arc for Beast that is the point of the whole story. They only truly have a relationship that is romantic toward the end, when Beast no longer is the person she met at first. It would have been toxic if they were romantic from the start, but they weren't. They became romantic as Beast evolved. You can argue that his mistreatment of her in the beginning defines the relationship, but then you are assuming that a person who was once toxic will always remain so, and there is no hope for redemption. Seems kind of prejudiced. Beast is a work in progress, and is a lot more human and redeemable - he is actively striving to be better, than most fairy tale heroes, and a lot of people.
@@yoanastoyanova I don't see that that is the message at all. First off, back in the 1700s when the fairy tale came out the message was of beauty only being skin deep, and people being able to learn and change. They were not "targeting" anything beyond promoting a message of looking beneath the surface and tolerance. Focusing on the toxicity of the relationship (a relationship that did not exist until AFTER Beast evolves) is ignoring the message of redemption, which is an integral part of the movie. In fact, it promotes an outlook that is the antithesis of the intended message, stating that "people don't change", and especially "bad people don't change". Even if this were so, they only kiss after he has gone through the arc. In the beginning he imprisons her, but in the end he lets her go and is willing to sacrifice his own interest - in fact, his own life, to let her do what she's got to do. How many abusive men/women will let their partners go, and give up their own chance for happiness (life in fact) to support the needs of the person he/she loves? I know abuse. In real life, the abuser begins with sonnets and roses and charm, and then devolves into a monster. The movie does the opposite of that. And again, I reiterate, they only have a de facto relationship at the end, after he has changed. If she were pining for him while he is an awful person, then yeah, that would be a serious problem, but it's not what happens - she only falls for him as he becomes a better man. Not saying that people should stay in a toxic relationships on the off chance that their partner may change, but I don't see that as the case in the movie - she doesn’t want to stay in a toxic relationship and only falls for him when the relationships is no longer toxic. The issue of redemption and looking beyond the surface is still the main message for me. I find Snow White and Sleeping Beauty much more dangerous in terms of messaging than Beauty and the Beast.
@@aurorainbluesyou are right, but that's not the point. The point is that by showing little girls a movie about a woman, Belle, getting imprisoned and abused (held captive, yelled at, etc.) but later changes the guy and falls in love with him, presents the message that abusive people are actually able to change. So yes, she only falls in love with the 'new version' of him, which is a much better version. But many movies and series romanticize abusive guys changing because of a girl (Chuck Bass in Gossip Girl, for example). The thing is: this is not how real life works. It is very rare that a bad boy actually turns good because of a girl, and sending the message that that can happen, could result in girls ending up trapped in a relationship with someone who treats him bad but they still hope the guy will change. I think that is the point the previous comment was trying to make.
Even Joseph Gordon Levitt thinks that Tom tends to be overly romanticised, and that his actions were meant to come across as selfish, not romantic. He tries to mould Summer into his own perfect dream girl, and it's not until she breaks up with him that he sees her as an actual person.
Was Tom ever meant to be romanticized? I thought the point of the movie was to be a deconstruction of the toxic romances in most movies. I liked the movie a lot because of how open ended it was. We are left to imagine if Tom ever learned anything with Autumn.
Dumbledore and Grindelwald, the Harry Potter series. Dumbledore regretted that relationship for the rest of his life, since it indirectly led to his sister’s death. That’s also why he refused every offer to be minister of magic.
In the book, it does mention how Grindelwald felt guilty of it all while imprisoned. Not to mention refusing to give any information about Albus to Voldemort.
Thank you to have put Romeo and Juliet there!!! Actually that was the point of the play. It is why they act very stupid during the whole play. It was Shakespeare’s goal to write them that way. Shakespeare’s intention was to criticize teenagers and their impulsivity. That’s why he wrote the play! It was never a love story at all.
Exactly!! I will never forget when I commented in front of my ex mother in law I did not care for Romeo and Juliet and her response was that's because you are naive ...yah ok
@@robernardini I commented on an other comment about that and someone said to me that I’m making things up… I try to resonate with that person and they keep telling me that I’m just trolling, that there’s no evidence (when I gave that person plenty of evidences of their impulsivity)… 🤦♀️🤦♀️ I really hope that this person has just watched the movies and has not studied the play to say things like that.
You are right that it isn’t a love story but, a tragedy. But I don’t think Shakespeare’s goal was to criticize teenagers and their impulsivity. He had another goal one that I can guess at but, it is lost on us modern audiences. Teenagers wasn’t a concept back in the day. Romeo and Juliet’s family hated each other. Even the prince got fed up with it. Juliet’s parents were planning on marrying her off to Paris, a grown man. If anything if Romeo and Juliet were allowed to date normally they probably would have broken up later.
@@DivinaM1105 I'm sorry... she called _you_ naive for not liking a story about two hormonal teenagers being idiots, thinking they're in love when they barely know each other, and then _killing themselves_ when they can't be together? She thinks _you're_ the naive one? Ugh, I'm so glad she's your _ex_ MIL, because she sounds completely delusional. 😬
That movie really did a disservice to the book. In the book, Allie and Noah are more stable and actually talk through their differences instead of screaming at each other like a couple of banshees.
Maturity is realizing that when a person loves you and you don’t feel the same, you leave that person alone. Both Tom and Summer were wrong. Tom should have believed her when she said she didn’t want a serious relationship and backed off. Summer should have left him alone, upon realizing he loved her. At one point Tom puts his foot down and leaves, after the bar fight. That would have been the perfect time for her to find someone else since she didn’t want him. Instead she chases after him; she calls, gets no answer so she goes looking for him in person. So she wasn’t exactly respecting boundaries and I can see why he thinks he has a chance. Not justifying his behavior because you cannot make someone love you. When someone keeps telling you they don’t want anything serious, believe them and walk away. Respect their decision and move on. The more mature take is the one in this video. Summer “did nothing wrong” is bs. Both were wrong.
@@briannastultz6924 JKR never said that. She said "I wrote the Hermione/Ron relationship as a form of wish fulfillment. That's how it was conceived, really. For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more to do with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione ended up with Ron." And also "Oh, maybe she and Ron will be alright with a bit of counseling, you know. I wonder what happens at wizard marriage counseling? They'll probably be fine. He needs to work on his self-esteem issues and she needs to work on being a little less critical."
For the record, The Notebook is completely different in the book; Noah doesn’t ask Allie out constantly Overall, Romeo and Juliet is better in script of Shakespeare than making a movie about it.
The script is not all that better. They meet, get engaged, get married all in the span of three days. If that isn't teen hormones run amuck, I don't know what is. The only movie that actually portrayed the absurd and problematic nature of their relationship is West Side Story the 2021 version.
Actually Shakespeare never even thought about Romeo and Juliet as a love story. He wrote it as a criticism of teenagers’s impulsivity. It was his way of making fun of teenagers. It was his intention to write them as a toxic couple. That’s why both Romeo and Juliet are acting stupid and that’s the whole point of the play.
I'd toss Anakin Skywalker and Padme into the list somewhere, especially from Anakin's side of things. He might've loved her originally, but he quickly turned possessive and murdered thousands to save her for himself.
words cannot describe how much i will stand by slander of twilight overall especially edward's and bella's "relationship" and i will never be caught supporting the fifty shades franchise because of how AWFUL it is in general
This is a courageous list with an important message, and I respect that you encourage us to reconsider some real fan-favorites. Some of these couple dynamics have in fact been romanticised creep shows, at least cringy and outdated. I so appreciate that you've included 50 Shades and Twilight!! 🙌🏽 That being said, I feel like you dramatized one or two relationships and/or put them out of context. For example, Forrest and Jenny are supposed to have a complicated love story with a lot of rejection on Jenny's part whenever her horrible childhood trauma clashes with Forrest's naive yet impressive emotional endurance. That's just a realistic depiction of an abused girl who has no idea how to handle honest, unconditional affection, let alone how to return the love she actually feels. Another point here is Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet, whose relationship is a bit different in the original play, while the screen adaptation suffers notably from cringy directing choices and the lack of chemistry between Leo & Claire. ...But my biggest issue with this list is the dishonorable mention of Beauty and the Beast. The whole point of both the original Frwnxh fairytale and the Disney adaptation is that the supposed villain isn't actually a beast deep inside, which brave + smart Belle manages to unravels while falling in love with the true him. Besides, she comes to him by choice (to save her father), never develops any kind of dependent Stockholm syndrome, and even leaves the castle before the story's cathartic climax.
The original story is of French origin. She gets homesick and begs the Beast to let her visit her family. He agrees under the condition that she returns after 2 months. She returns voluntarily even if her brothers try to prevent her to, because she envisions the Beast dying.
What?! Belle & The Beast? Toxic?! First of all, she sacrificed everything just so her father could be set free, which The Beast agreed to. Second, it’s true The Beast does have a temper but after years being cooped up in his castle with nothing to do except feel shame, guilt and self-hate for his past actions, can you blame him. On that note, he did told Belle not to go into the West Wing. Lastly, he saved Belle from the wolves, and in turn she brought him back to the castle when she could’ve escaped and left him to die from his wounds. After that, their relationship grew stronger and more intimate. So, who among you on the internet and MsMojo dare to say that this relationship was toxic?!
Yeah, and people say she had stockholm syndrome but the youtuber Isacc carlson made a video for why Belle did make the right choice with the beast and in it he explained and made great points on why she doesn't have stockholm syndrome.
@@brennaflaherty8871 Yes! I heard that Belle didn't have Stockholm syndrome through Cinema Therapy. A couple other points was that the beast allowed her to leave instead of keeping her hostage and she cared more about the beast as a friend during her time as prisoner.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the FBI researched hostage taking situations and found that there are at least 3 factors necessary for Stockholm Syndrome to develop. One of them was that the hostage is not placed in a seperate room. Belle literally gets her own room and he sends servants to help her which limits their contact even more. That is on top of the other reasons such as Belle leaving once she can and her only returning to prevent a- to her- unjustified murder.
That was the whole point of 500 Days of Summer , Tom's misinterpretation of summer's actions and Summer allowing the "relationship" going as far as it did , resulting in mix signals it told us that in the beginning of the film
I will admit that Bella and Edward's relationship isn't always the best, but with the age difference, yes he has been breathing for 100+ years but vampires are frozen at the age they were turned so he IS still 17 years old in every other way. And he never made Bella stay away from her family and friends, that was Bella's choice, she is the one that distanced herself from them. That is evident when the Cullen's leave and she isolates herself from everyone she knows. Edward wante her to stay human and have a real life, Bella was the one that chose to become a vampire of her own choice to stay with Edward, and he only agreed to do it if she married him. Plus he's been alone for his whole life, and he basically forgot how to be a human until he met Bella and she intrigued him. He didn't go about it the best way, but it also shows the immaturity with him in being 17, he's infatuated and doesn't know what to do about it.
Yeah I agree. I absolutely love Twilight but the main love triangle is my least favorite part of the story 😂 Edward gives Bella countless chances to leave him but she doesn’t want to. He is also stuck as a 17 year old guy who has been single for over a century so he probably doesn’t know 1. How to act in a romantic relationship and 2. He’s stuck as an immature, emo kid who doesn’t probably understand his romantic feelings. Again I think the whole Edward/Bella/Jacob thing is crazy and over dramatic and I like Twilight much more for the other relationships in the series (Edward’s family, Sue and Charlie) But I do have a little grave for how weird Edward and Bella’s relationship is
Look, I love Twilight with all my heart (seriously- it's my comfort series), but I 100% agree with it being on this list. Sure there are plenty of explanations on why each character acted in the way they did. But at the end of the day, when you strip it down, it should not be the type of relationship people should yearn for. He was controlling, had a habit of gaslighting her, and straight up stalked her. She was extremely codependent. It was not a healthy relationship at the end of the day.
Anyone who thinks that the movie Shallow Hall is fatphobic didn't get the point. All of the people in the movie who tell offensive fatphobic jokes are assholes. They are the villains in the movie. That is the point. The people in the movie who don't fit the mold of conventional beauty are all the kindest, most loving, fun, awesome and best people. The message of the movie is that Rosemary is awesome and beautiful at any size. The plot of Forest Gump is also deeply misunderstood in this video. It's not that Jenny doesn't love Forest. She doesn't think that she is worthy of love. That is why she mistreated him for so long. It wasn't until she knew she was dying that she realized how much time she wasted running away from true love. And another thing! (Third edit in the span of me watching this video) You cannot tell me that Cher and Josh weren't perfect. Their age gap wasn't that big. He was a freshman in college. No more the 18 or 19 and she was 16. Even the law would say that gap is not a problem. The fact that they USED to be step siblings for like a month shouldn't matter when it comes to a pair so perfect. LOL
Totally 💯 all the people in the movie 🍿🎥 that are judged for being different because of weight or disabilities or burnt in a fire whatever reason are beautiful human being inside and outside good kindest people with big hearts in the movie 🍿🎥 good message
@@lisamariealaniz7538 Exactly. The point of the movie is to teach the audience that they could be missing out on knowing someone awesome because they are judging them from their outward appearance.
Even when I saw "The Notebook" as a preteen, I never thought that Allie and Noah's relationship was romantic. He asks her out when she's on a date with someone else, doesn't take no for an answer when she makes it clear that she's not interested, and threatens that he'll harm himself if she continues to refuse him. He obviously doesn't care if he traumatises her, yet we're clearly supposed to think that it's "Romantic."
Yeah and him writing to her everyday is obsessive and creepy, not romantic. Her cheating on Lon was also horrible. She should have just left him if she didn’t want him. Lon was such a sweetheart, it sends the wrong message; her leaving the sweet, healthy, kind man for the manipulative, obsessed man she constantly argues with.
In all honesty, some rom-coms portrays relationships that are not exactly toxic, just a little problematic with the main couple having some issues they need to work out. But do you want to know, in my personal opinion, what is the single most toxic relationship I have ever seen in a movie, or other entertainment media, for that matter? Tessa and Hardin from the After movies. Tessa should just wake the hell up and dump that toxic, manipulative asshat like yesterday's newspaper. Like, no, girl. Stop trying to change him. He's NOT worth it. Date someone else and move the hell on, for crying out loud! He spends all of the movies carrying flags redder than a lobster. Violent tantrums, manipulative behavior, a chronic liar, Tessa has to walk on eggshells with him... Just confirms to me that this is the epitome of a toxic relationship in movie/series media. They're so toxic, they're burning my nose hair! Okay, forgiveness, seeing good in everyone and all, but he just never changes. Tessa should just dump him for good, move on and not look back, he doesn't deserve her.
I'm surprised About Time isn't at least a dishonourable mention. As much as I love that film as a huge fan of Domhnall Gleeson, having the ability to go back in time to fix mistakes or dissatisfactions in his relationship makes him seem like the “perfect partner” for her but she doesn't have any idea about the flaws that had actually happened in the relationship.
I completely disagree with the Beauty and The Beast one. She stays in the castle to protect her father, and although they started off wrong, she doesn't fall in love with him until he begins to truly change himself. Also, notice that the Beast never lays a hand on her the entire movie, until he lets her help him after the wolf attack. This is not Stockholm Syndrome, and you people who still think it is are seriously messed up because they have one of the most realistic romances ever seen in a Disney movie.
josh and Cher are ex step siblings. the relationship is absolutely not toxic.... It's a complicated relationship but not toxic. Firstly, bcz their parents hv divorced but Mel(CHER's dad) still loves josh as his son. Mel himself said that you divorce Wives not children and is still emotionally connected to josh but is not connected by law which reflects that Josh and cher hv every right to be in a relationship. Furthermore, throughout the movie,I could tell from Mel's gestures and expressions that he does want Cher and Josh to date. If you hvnt noticed that you hvnt watch Clueless carefully enough. I love clueless and hv watch the movie several times and can 100 % be sure that Josh and Cher's relationship is not toxic.
What do you think about the age gap?? I ask this because one youtuber seems to have fanatical hatred to age gaps mostly commenting without any sense of honor
Agreed, especially young, impressionable viewers. My eight year old cousin loves "The Kissing Booth", and doesn't realise that Elle and Noah's relationship is NOT ideal in real life.
Hey, most couples aren't sugarcoated like stupid, cheesy rom-coms, and that's okay. Because these couples are relatable because of trial and error, and they learned from their mistakes. Despite their immaturity and flaws, love does conquer all.
I disagree with #'s 6, 4 & Honorable Mention Beauty and the Beast. Sandy & Danny and Beast & Belle started off toxic and were willing to change themselves for one another, while Jenny couldn't be healthy for Forest until she loved herself and she couldn't do that until she dealt with her past, which she did. All three couples have different issues but go through the same needing to change to be with who they love story. And when it comes to #1, it is and was always meant to be a cautionary tale. In no way have I ever seen it romanticized in viewers eyes. Only in Harley's eyes and she's even wised up to show the side of realization in said cautionary tale.
Teenagers tend to romanticize the Joker and Harley. Most of them have only seen the movie, and they cannot see the red flags because they are not as obvious as the ones in the comics and animated series. They were toxic even in Suicide Squad though.
Glad to see "Forrest Gump" and "The Twilight Saga" made the list. Jenny used and mistreated Forrest so badly just because he was mentally challenged and could get away with it. As for Bella and Edward...no way in hell I'd give up my life and independence for undead creep playing head games and thirsts for my blood.
I didn't realize Edward and Bella were toxic until a few years ago. I didn't realize how needy Bella was and how obsessed Edward was. There's so much more than that but it's just not healthy.
Jenny was sexually abused early in life and that completely messed with her self-worth. It blows my mind that you can respect Forrest's mental hurdles, but not Jenny's struggles in trying to get over the abuse.
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722She kept telling him that he didn’t know what love is and how she wanted him to back off. Also Forrest has an intellectual disability, if it was real life, would people even accept them as a couple? They’d see her as predatory. She already had her own issues and didn’t want to bring Forrest down with her so she left.
@@unknownstranger6875 Imagine if a love triangle happened in that film. Maybe the better ending would still be Jenny's death by cancer but Forrest had suddenly a better wife all along
Okay interesting concepts on all these movies. (not familiar with nearly all of them at that) 1991 Beauty and The Beast I completely wholeheartedly DISAGREE with. It wasn't Stockholm Syndrome, she took her father's place to protect him. Belle helped Adam change for his better, to be better for her. Belle only realizes her friend is more to her as he dies in her arms.
As soon I saw Romero and Juliet i said "thanks you" been saying I for years their relationship was toxic. Edward and Bella, Harley Quinn and Joker and finally Christian Gray and Anastasia are type of relationships you should never want be in.
I wonder what kind of relationship is Josh and Cher , as they are ex Step-siblings , I mean her father wasn't with Josh's mother anymore and he treats Josh as his son
Mel (Cher's dad) literally says in the movie "You divorce wives, not children", so it makes sense he would continue to treat Josh as a son ever after divorcing his mother. Also, if memory serves, Josh and Cher's parents weren't married very long and the kids hadn't see each other in a while, so they definitely wouldn't have brotherly/sisterly feelings towards each other.
@@sarammauricio It doesn't make sense to be close to former stepchildren. Are you saying that if you were married for a couple of years, you'd treat his kid as your own for the rest of your life?!
@@andrewsmith74 No, I probably wouldn't. But Mel apparently does. Maybe he was married and divorced a lot and he realizes the importance of stability for kids (having one of his own), so he is trying to give that to Josh (whose mom probably was also married and divorced a lot)?
Hal saw the inner beauty of all women he was shallow and had to learn to see past appearances. He finally got it when he saw Kadence again and saw her not as the sweet young child who didn’t have anything wrong to seeing her as she actually was which was a patient in the children’s burn ward.
Cinema Therapy has excellent episodes about a lot of these couples/movies (like how Belle and Beast is _not_ Stockholm Syndrome). There's nothing wrong with enjoying fiction, but the siblings/guardians/parents of younger people should definitely make an effort to make sure they know that these things aren't _actually_ as ✨perfect✨ or ✨romantic✨ as they seem on film because fiction is fiction, even when it might _seem_ realistic. My niece was a tween when the Twilight books were released, and she was OBSESSED with them. Since my sister just obsessed right along with her and didn't see anything wrong at all about Edward or Jacob (her ex-husband would tell you a LOT about why), I had to be the one to have chats with her about things like: "It might seem romantic that Edward sneaks into Bella's room at night to watch her sleep, but if a boy ever does that to you? RUN. That's him being a stalker, and it's creepy. No normal boy does that. EVER." and "No boy should ever take your decisions away from you to make them himself the way Edward and Jacob do to Bella. EVER. You are your own person, and your autonomy is something boys should value and respect just like _everybody's_ autonomy should be respected, _ESPECIALLY_ if they say they love you." I often wonder how many girls from her generation ended up in manipulative, abusive relationships out of the starting gate because they thought Edward or Jacob was ✨dreamy and romantic.✨
People need to leave Cher and Josh alone! Believe it or not, people can be step siblings and still marry each other because they aren’t related. It is admittedly very odd but hey it’s much better than incest. Not to mention but the gap? Cher is 16 and Josh is 18 or 19 when they started going out. I was 18 and my boyfriend, Ryan, was 16 when we started going out. So that’s like saying that we were toxic for each other just because of our age gap. It’s okay for that to happen as long as there’s no sex until he’s of age too. I’m just pointing that out there.
A very toxic couple everyone forgot about is from Disney's Chicken Little, when Foxy changes because of the aliens but when they try to revert it Runt tells them for her to stay that way without her consent and no one else cares about it
Agreed, that always bothered me as a child, since Foxy has her whole personality wiped clean, and is brainwashed into having a relationship with Runt, simply because he likes her better that way? And this is supposedly a kids' movie?!
I disagree with the Forrest Gump reading, it comes down to Jenny’s trauma and self worth. She loves Forrest but doesn’t see herself of being worthy or good for him so she dates all these trash bags that she doesn’t care about. She stays away from Forrest when she has his child because she doesn’t want to burden him or is hoping he maybe finds someone else. But when she finds out she’s sick and terminal she knows that it’s Forrest that she can trust to be there for her. A lot of ppl that have suffered trauma particularly women would love to have someone like Forest who is a safe harbour like that. I also kinda disagree with the notebook, while the start of their relationship is 100% dodge. The arguing isn’t always a bad thing, they don’t hold anything back from each other and know they love each other at their worst.
I agree but I believe she didn’t really hold off telling him about his son -he started running the minute she left and she told him shortly after he returned, in an time before cell phones
Is anyone romanticizing Forrest and Jenny, though? The other couples on this list are seen as “couple goals” or classic couples, lots that people will dress up as for Halloween. But I’ve never seen anyone look at Forrest and Jenny that way, I think they’ve always been seen as maybe not toxic, but tragic.
Forrest was the one who always treated Jenny with the respect she deserved and Jenny never felt as if she was worthy of such treatment because of what she went through. “We accept the love we think she deserve.” The Perks of Being a Wallflower
I disagree with the Notebook and Forrest Gump. Yes Noah asked Ally out in a way that was totally wrong. But if Ms. Mojo did her research, she would know that even after the Ferris wheel scene, Ally still wasn’t going to go out with him. She only started to like him once he talked to her like a normal person and tried to get to know her. And then years later, she was the one who tracked him down and went to see him. As for Forrest Gump, Jenny never took advantage of Forrest. Not once. She thought that she was worthless and that Forrest was too good for her. Hence why she pushed him away so many times.
She should have told Gump this to his face tho. Just tell him to END IT. I mean by this point all break up songs that demanded the other person to be honest to their faces uncaring if the truth will be deadly have aged like fine wine
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 It’s not that easy for some people. Especially ones with a history of abuse. And to tell you the truth, re-watching the movie several times, I’ve never actually seen Jenny do anything to hurt Forest. Really the only one I ever saw her hurt was herself.
@@Rose-xy5pe That's why I want a what if story of a competition between Jenny and another girl as a battle for Forrest to see who is more worthy of his heart
500 Days of Summer was a great movie, but that movie makes it clear that Tom was a selfish harasser and that the romance was not meant to be emulated. It was left open ended whether Summer was ever leading him on because of Tom's unreliable narration. Summer made a clear unambiguous No, but Tom did not get the memo that no means no. The actor who played Tom encouraged fans who sympathized with Tom to watch the movie again and see how selfish and entitled he was.
Tom was a needy, clingy fool. But Summer wasn’t innocent either. She knew how she felt and stuck around, even though she did not feel the same way. Leaving him alone would have been the right thing to do. If he kept insisting that she go out with him, she should have gotten a restraining order. Instead she kept it going, and even chased him when he was ready to walk away. Both are crappy people. I’ve been in Summer’s shoes. When I saw some men I dated were more serious than I was, even though I was clear that I didn’t want anything serious, I cut things off with them. Didn’t even sleep with them. I didn’t want the drama that came with it, and didn’t want to hurt anybody.
12:44 If I had a dollar every single time had to listen to this bs belief that BatB is about “Stockholm Syndrome,” I would be in the 1% by now 🤬😡 Did any of these people EVER read this story as children or watch ANY of the numerous adaptations? Beauty CHOSE of her OWN volition to go in her father’s place to rectify HIS mistake. She CHOSE to stay with him once she realized he wasn’t really the monster she believed him to be (I.e. being a decent being to her & respecting her personal boundaries). She CHOSE to go back to him BECAUSE she realized she genuinely love him for him.
@@jetodessa5484What do you think of Xaldin telling the Beast that a Beast feeling love is bullshit? Was he trying to prove that second chances is never deserving and that everyone who is reforged as a monster must stay as a monster till the end?
I know this isn't a fun topic but I enjoyed this video. Congrats on staying 100 about couples that have always seemed more "icky" than "dreamy". I agree with other commenters, you're being a little hard on Jenny. It's not a toxic relationship if the "damaged partner" isn't intentionally hurtful (Jenny wasn't being malicious in keeping the baby a secret) and don't forget Forrest understood Jenny's issues and loved her in spite of them. As for Beauty and the Beast, yeah, he wasn't a good guy at first, but isn't there room for growth in relationships? The guy was cursed for being a jerk and wouldn't have become Prince Handsome if his heart hadn't been truly reformed. As for Beauty, she needed the reality check.
The film would have been better if Jenny told Forrest to find a woman that is far better than her and her sisters because Jenny believes she has no right to be even some competition. She wanted to die maybe if her not defending herself from abusers is to be believed
100% agree with Grease being on this list. I remember watching it and loving it as a kid all thanks to the catchy tunes. However, watching it as an adult makes you realize how completely messed up it is. It's the worst.
Shallow Hall is one of my favourite movies and I can't agree with this pick. Yes, it extremely exagerates everythimg, but it's a comedy and should be considered as such. And also, Hall's behaviour and fatfobia clearly is shown as wrong.
I feel like a lot of people misunderstand love, actually. The “actually” is the point, sometimes it’s actually messy and sometimes it’s not okay… but also Hugh Grant’s character literally removes his assistant because he recognizes that it’s not okay to date an employee? Also, Romeo and Juliet isn’t supposed to be a love story, it’s supposed to be a tragedy. Their love was an illustration so that their deaths drove home the point, that hatred has real consequences.
Twilight ,50 shades , Romeo and Juliet , and the Notebook movies make me want to scream at them. Forrest and Jenny make me not want to be like them, but can see why he wants to love her so much.
I don’t agree with Josh and Cher. Their parents were only “hardly married.” He always struck me more like that kid you hung around growing up because your parents were super close. Not actual family.
Yet another half-baked take of "ermagahhhhhhd Grease was so PROBLEMATIC" *groundbreaking* People take it WAY too seriously. For godssakes, they FLY OFF in their car at the end! Frenchie deciding whether to drop out of beauty school and go back to high school takes the form of a highly stylized musical number with Frankie friggin Avalon as an angel! It's a fun fluffy fantasy, leave it alone* *also, I consider the ending through the Cinderella principle: Cinderella wasn't a passive maiden who dreamt of meeting and marrying the prince, she just wanted a damn night off to dance at a ball and wear a pretty dress. In the same line, Sandy got a makeover for herself. She was a teenager! Teenagers frequently try on different personas as a way of finding out who they are. Hell for all we know, maybe a week after they flew off in the car and landed in Narnia, she went through a flapper phase. Danny digging her makeover was just the cherry on top. (I know, this rant ironically shows that now I'M taking it too seriously lol whatever)
I kind of have to disagree with the twilight one cause Yes it's a toxic relationship but if anybody was the one forcing themselves on the other or not respecting their boundaries it was Bella.
Joker & Harley are pretty much supposed to be toxic? Romeo and Juliet hardly count as a 'movie couple', and even if they did, there were plenty of other movies of the story besides 1996. Likewise Beauty and the Beast having enough of a cultural history to not be a 'Disney Couple' - that wasn't even the first movie version
Yes Romeo and Juliet hardly count as a movie couple since it’s originally a play, but in every versions of the story they are still a toxic relationship. Much like the Joker and Harley Quinn, they were intended to be toxic since it was Shakespeare’s intention to write them as a toxic couple.
Also gotta admit, when my young adult daughter said she liked Harley Quinn, I thought I'd Pass out or something (lol) But I have to give her credit for getting me "into" Harley Quinn, the solo character, even if she (Harley) has done a lot of not so nice things in her past, with or without Joker. Margaret from Canada
Thank you for putting Love, Actually in this list, because when me and my brother were watching this with our parents, we were so upset by this movie we didn’t finish it all the way through when we were a bit younger. Recently I decided to watch it again on my own, and I still believe that it is trash. One of the worst rom coms ever in my opinion.
I like how people say Belle fell in love with her captor when she could leave any time she wanted. In fact, she DID. And the Beast saved her. Hello??? Do people not remember that??
I loved Shallow Hal. He got over his ego and went with his heart. It's not anti-fat or whatever, it's anti-ego. They make him look like a jackass (intentionally), showing how ugly the hate and trashy jokes are. People need to stop being so damn sensitive. Also, the Clueless thing - it was sweet. They aren't related. There's nothing wrong with it.
No strong feelings about any of them (except for mostly agreeing on your takes about them), but ... Maybe it's me being German, but how is being step-siblings toxic? Unless they're genetically related, that's completely legal and even rather common. And why is it okay with found family leading to more, but not if the found family has partially institutionalised their bond? (No idea about Clueless in general, it's been ages since I watched it and I don't remember much about it. So, idk, the couple can still be completely toxic. It's just that pointing out that they're step-siblings doesn't seem relevant to me regarding this list.)
Where's Sebastian Valmont and Kathryn Merteuil from Cruel Intentions? Or couples George & Martha and Nick & Honey from Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf? Benjamin and Mrs. Robinson and her daughter Elaine from The Graduate?
The question is with all these "toxic relationships" what is a healthy one? Maybe there is so such thing, as people are by nature not healthy. In the case of Noah and Allie they probably were toxic but became healthy.
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 I have been in my fair share of toxic relationships...and I'm not a romantic at all. My point is, things change in society, and let's be honest everyone by current standards was toxic at one time in their life. Also, later in the Notebook, Noah was suffering from PTSD. The movie Noah was very different from the book Noah also.
@@ThumperE23 Does that give you the right to use and abuse a widow that may not get over her husband's death??? Because that's where my respect for Noah died and may never come back
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 That is one interpretation of the movie, but that takes away the widow's choice in the matter. They both entered the relationship, they both were suffering and they both used each other. The widow caught feelings. As the movie was based on a sizable book it thinned down at lot of things. Also, the device being used is someone telling the story of their life to his partner. So, there is a level several levels of recollection there. By the devise itself nothing in that movie should be taken at 100 percent face value, as it uses an unreliable narrator.
Another thing about Romeo and Juliet is, what my 9th grade L.A teacher loved to remind us, is the balcony scene is Romeo being a creep. He trespassed over the wall and had no idea which was Juliet's room or that she lived there, and just looked into someones room. The scene in the Owl house where Luz went to save Amity and they kissed in Clouds on the horizon is how to do the balcony scene without being creepy Romeo.
They’re better be the same for Television couples I mean there’s a lot almost every pairing except for Lexi and Fezco from Euphoria, Ross and Rachel from friends, Ted and Robin from How I Met Your Mother, Derek and Meredith from Grey’s Anatomy, Jade and Beck from Victorious, Sam and Freddie from Icarly, Dwight and Angela from The Office, and Carrie and Mr Big from Sex And The City,
Every time I saw young people say that Harley and Joker were their relationship goals, I am STUNNED! NO Sorry! Joker is an abusive man that shouldn't be looked up to! YET there has been so many that think they are, and I am confused! My niece read the Twilight books and I got through the first one to see what the big deal was - I agree. Notthat he is a vampire bothered me - Vampires are not the issue - its the stalking. Morticia and Gomez are what some should look to - they love each other
I agree with you about “Clueless”, but I feel the need to give literary and historical context. The movie is based off of Jane Austen’s novel Emma. In the story Emma’s older sister marries Knightly’s younger brother. Now while people were completely okay with marrying cousins at the time, Emma and Knightly were considered as closely related as siblings. Clueless (widely considered one of the best adaptations of Emma) kept the “kinda siblings but not actually blood related” dynamic by making them step siblings and Knightly has always been older. To be clear, this doesn’t erase the ick-factor you get with the modern-day lense.
7:26 i feel like Summer isnt a problem in this movie, she makes what she wants very clear, and Tom goes in with that understanding and a plan to change her mind. Hes also the one that pursues her.
I challenge you to find top ten rom-coms or fairytales that portray healthy relationships. Most Rom-Coms belong on this list. In fact most fairy tales do too... Snow White falls for someone she barely knows and marries him, Sleeping Beauty gets raped while she's unconscious, the Little Mermaid changes who she is and literally loses her voice to be with the man she loves... what are we teaching our children??
I'm fst, and I really liked Shallow Hal. I think we can still enjoy these movies while recognizing they aren't accurate portrayals of how relationships should be.
Thank you so much for including Bella and Edward! I've been saying for years how toxic they are! Edward is a controlling man who had no regard for Bella's boundaries and then we have Bella who just made me scream with frustration. Forget team Edward or team Jacob, I was on team Charlie, that dude deserved way better as a father. That being said, Beauty and the Beast definitely wasn't toxic, nor was it Stockholm syndrome. It definitely had the elements to be a depiction, but the small details prevented that. For example, Belle initially sees the beast as her friend, she refers to him as my friend when Gaston and his cronies plan on killing him. She later realises she is in love with him, when he is dying.
12:41 - Gotta majorly disagree with you guys on this one. A majority of people think their relationship is toxic because she falls in love with him and yet he "kidnapped" her when that's not even remotely the case. You can't call it kidnapping or being held captive if you willing choose to go with someone or choose not to leave the location you're at; which is exactly what Belle did in order to save her father.
Hardin & Tessa are 101% toxic. A psycopathic asshat and a submissive lamb just as much mentally challenged. And some people root for their relationship when it's pretty much broken.
14:33 - Ok I totally agree with #1 and I get the category is 'Toxic Movie Couples' but you can't just say Suicide Squad, it the whole freaking DC Universe. Like the minute Harley was created and introduced in Batman the Animated series, they became the ultimate toxic couple, the king and queen of toxic couples.😂😂
The literal point of Beauty and The Beast is is that The Beast was a selfish and mean guy who becomes a better person……himself. Belle didn’t do a single thing to change him other than be herself.
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Top 10 most romanticized toxic couples in cartoons, please?
Stan and Francine Smith. (American Dad.)
Well, you sure hit the nail on the head with Twilight and 50 Shades... That sh*t was full of wrong messages for young girls (and boys!), and I'm always glad I didn't bother reading or watching any of it as a teen.
... Just do all 10 dysfunctional tv show couples next because there sure have been a lot of those! 🙈 Mr. Big and Carrie from Sex and the City, Chuck and Blair from Gossip Girl, Olivia Pope and Jake Ballard from Scandal, Maddy and Nate from Euphoria, AND OF COURSE, Ross and Rachel from Friends! ... you know, just to name a few. 😉
Jimmy Neutron and Cindy Vortex from the Jimmy Neutron franchises
Heathers. Cant get more toxic than Veronica and JD. He kills people and then goes well i did it for you....
Harley Quinn, was and is always a cautionary tale. The romanticism of their relationship is highly disturbing.
EXACTLY
Absolutely.
I'll say this though; Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn before the acid bath, is better looking than Harley Quinn from all the animated versions of Batman during her time as a psychiatrist.
@@DTD110865 Margot Robbie is insanely beautiful.
True but I mean look at couples like Ross and Rachel. They'd be terrible and toxic IRL.
The fact that there are people who still genuinely see The Joker and Harley Quinn's relationship as something to be romanticized is just wrong. No more "Puddin'", no more "Mista J", just do like HBO Max and forever ship her and Poison Ivy instead.
Kinda find it funny and sweet at the same time that the most healthy relationship Harley has(via romance or friendship) is with someone who is literally toxic. Ivy's powers, I mean.
Even in BTAS we could see how Harley was happy with Ivy, I wouldn’t be surprised if people shipped them back then too.
I know it's just an honorable mention, but I disagree with Belle and the Beast being toxic. Belle chose to stay with the Beast to protect her father, and rather than treat her like a prisoner, he treats her like a guest at his castle, offering her a new room and a supper. When she refuses the supper, he lets her make her choice on her own call.
Plus, if we're gonna discuss the anger issues, the Beast DOES improve on this as the film goes on, and it's only until after he's improved enough that she starts to fall for him and see him as a person.
Then he willingly lets Belle go, seemingly dooming his own life, because she is more important than him, letting her have free will.
Idk, allowing your partner to have free will even if it costs your own life doesn't sound like a toxic partner to me.
I think you are correct, though it may have started out toxic, but Belle helps the Beast learn to love himself so that he is capable of letting her go before falling for her or being able to admit it
Yeah, the youtuber Isacc carlson made a video for why Belle did make the right choice with the beast and in it he explained why she doesn't have stockholm syndrome.
Film Theory explains this relationship regarding falling for her captor. She doesn't love him/realize she loves him until after she leaves. The staff even say that Belle has to love him back so spell isn't broken when she leaves
I mean, he is her captor, even though she "chose" to be there. And the line "either she eats with me or she doesn't eat at all" is very abusive. He also throws stuff and yells at her. Yes, he does "improve" but it's still a bad message. Abusive people don't change.
@@Mai2727 Sure, but he could've easily stopped the castle workers from tending to her at any time, but he didn't.
And him changing is kinda the whole point of the movie. The Beast is a dramatically different person at the beginning and the end of the movie.
I dont think Jenny was a villain, I think she was a victim of circumstance and sexual abuse, Forrest even commenting from his perspective that her dad was always kissing and touching her and this led her to feel she wasn’t good enough to be loved which is why she hooked up with abusers in the show, got addicted to drugs and contemplated suicide. I think she felt she just wasn’t good enough to truly be loved.
Amen
EXACTLY! She thought she wasn't worthy of love, so she mistreated the only person who truly loved her.
And I don’t think she purposely held off telling forest about his son…he started running right when she left and she told him right when he came back. He was running for years and there were no cellphones
@@Jah_LEASE_yah It's a miracle Forrest did not snapped her neck or raped her corpse in revenge
I agree. And even if it wasn’t the healthiest relationship, I’m not sure that adds up to a fault in the movie, as was said in the video. If nothing else, it reinforces Forrest’s unconditional love for her.
How is the After franchise not on this list? Hardin and Tessa are one of the most toxic couples I've ever seen! Along with 365 days franchise.
Righttt!?
Exactly!!!
Say what you will about Bella and Edward, but one can just watch the films and laugh or cringe at the dialogue and it’s fine, or at least enjoy some aspects of the films.
The Fifty Shades, 365, and After series all have one major thing in common - they are about a glorified toxic relationship believing they are being romantic.
My thoughts exactly 💯! That entire series is seriously dark. The relationship itself is painful to see and don't get me started on the emotional and psychological rollercoaster we were subjected to 😒
I was just about the ask this myself
You'd have to acknowledge 365 Days as a movie....IT WAS NOT 😂😂😂😂
A notable toxic movie couple is Andie Anderson and Benjamin Barry from “How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days” considering that relationship was founded on lying and manipulation, and how that relationship started out with both of them using the other to advance their respective careers.
Say what you want about most of Jenny's behavior, but the misunderstanding that viewers have of two particular plot points continues to drive me crazy:
A. Jenny didn't ignore Forrest's letters from Vietnam, she was a roaming hippie and didn't have a permanent address to receive them.
B. Jenny couldn't have told Forrest about their child until Forrest stopped running and settled back at home. It wasn't cruel to not tell him, it was an impossibility, a direct mirror of the earlier Vietnam letter situation.
It just shows the general lack of basic competency most movie watchers have.
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Tell that to children who easily romanticize crap as well as Latinos who spit on Jenny and just refuse to live with excuses
OMG THANK YOU for putting the notebook on this list. The way the relationship started always particularly bothered me, but overall I thought their relationship was toxic AF.
The book is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. A great read if you enjoy reading
I saw it, and didn't like it very much. The ending make me throw up in my mouth.
I have yet to see a healthy relationship in any movie based on a Nicholas Sparks novel. And the Notebook is _terrible._
@@loud_and_immodest Understatement on all counts.
I am so glad Grease is on this list. I know that social pressure and rigid cliquish conformity is what makes their relationship so toxic, but that doesn't make it any less annoying.
I disagree about Cher and Josh. They were step siblings for probably a couple of years in the past and clearly didn't have a close relationship then, and he's maybe 19 to her 16. I still think they're adorable.
I have a problem with this one because it pushes an idea that family feelings can be insta-created by marriage (and that divorce doesn't dissolve that connection). The fact is, their parents had an LA marriage and the two children never saw themselves as siblings nor did they have a sibling bond. Feelings cannot be created nor destroyed by a piece of paper. And seriously, the age gap? So they were an 11 yo girl and a 13-14 yer old boy. They wouldn't have had anything to do with each other when their parents were married. They likely had no interests or friends in common. Their "age gap" might get some side eye in the Bible belt, but in LA? Seriously? People really have no clue.
Agreed , Josh has always been respectful towards Cher and he has a great relationship with the dad.
Yeah I’m pretty sure it’s mentioned that he’s a freshman, so the age gap is three years max. It’s really not concerning.
Na it's kinda weird to me. Y'all are step siblings. Just imagine if the parents had a kid and then it would literally be their sibling plus these two in a relationship and probably could get married. Ew
I’d love to see a sequel where they’re married with children.
Referring to Beauty and the Beast simply as toxic is reductive and ignores the heart of the story. The whole point is transformation. In the beginning there was no relationship. He was her captor. She didn't choose to be there. He didn't really want her there. There was no relationship.
Then they lived together, interacted, and there is a redemption arc for Beast that is the point of the whole story. They only truly have a relationship that is romantic toward the end, when Beast no longer is the person she met at first. It would have been toxic if they were romantic from the start, but they weren't. They became romantic as Beast evolved.
You can argue that his mistreatment of her in the beginning defines the relationship, but then you are assuming that a person who was once toxic will always remain so, and there is no hope for redemption. Seems kind of prejudiced. Beast is a work in progress, and is a lot more human and redeemable - he is actively striving to be better, than most fairy tale heroes, and a lot of people.
In real life, toxic men rarely change. And I'm being generous with my phrasing. So why target little girls with a story like that?
@@yoanastoyanova I don't see that that is the message at all. First off, back in the 1700s when the fairy tale came out the message was of beauty only being skin deep, and people being able to learn and change. They were not "targeting" anything beyond promoting a message of looking beneath the surface and tolerance.
Focusing on the toxicity of the relationship (a relationship that did not exist until AFTER Beast evolves) is ignoring the message of redemption, which is an integral part of the movie. In fact, it promotes an outlook that is the antithesis of the intended message, stating that "people don't change", and especially "bad people don't change".
Even if this were so, they only kiss after he has gone through the arc. In the beginning he imprisons her, but in the end he lets her go and is willing to sacrifice his own interest - in fact, his own life, to let her do what she's got to do. How many abusive men/women will let their partners go, and give up their own chance for happiness (life in fact) to support the needs of the person he/she loves? I know abuse. In real life, the abuser begins with sonnets and roses and charm, and then devolves into a monster. The movie does the opposite of that.
And again, I reiterate, they only have a de facto relationship at the end, after he has changed. If she were pining for him while he is an awful person, then yeah, that would be a serious problem, but it's not what happens - she only falls for him as he becomes a better man.
Not saying that people should stay in a toxic relationships on the off chance that their partner may change, but I don't see that as the case in the movie - she doesn’t want to stay in a toxic relationship and only falls for him when the relationships is no longer toxic. The issue of redemption and looking beyond the surface is still the main message for me. I find Snow White and Sleeping Beauty much more dangerous in terms of messaging than Beauty and the Beast.
@@aurorainbluesyou are right, but that's not the point. The point is that by showing little girls a movie about a woman, Belle, getting imprisoned and abused (held captive, yelled at, etc.) but later changes the guy and falls in love with him, presents the message that abusive people are actually able to change. So yes, she only falls in love with the 'new version' of him, which is a much better version. But many movies and series romanticize abusive guys changing because of a girl (Chuck Bass in Gossip Girl, for example). The thing is: this is not how real life works. It is very rare that a bad boy actually turns good because of a girl, and sending the message that that can happen, could result in girls ending up trapped in a relationship with someone who treats him bad but they still hope the guy will change. I think that is the point the previous comment was trying to make.
@@Marjanne0031 well said!
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“Changes the guy”
Stop right there because Belle didn’t do a single damn thing to change him. Not one. He did that himself.
Even Joseph Gordon Levitt thinks that Tom tends to be overly romanticised, and that his actions were meant to come across as selfish, not romantic. He tries to mould Summer into his own perfect dream girl, and it's not until she breaks up with him that he sees her as an actual person.
Was Tom ever meant to be romanticized? I thought the point of the movie was to be a deconstruction of the toxic romances in most movies. I liked the movie a lot because of how open ended it was. We are left to imagine if Tom ever learned anything with Autumn.
I was in a film course with all men discussing this movie and every single one of them missed this point entirely and hated Summer.
I tried to watch it, and his extreme misogyny meant that I noped out after about twenty minutes.
@@josefk7437 Almost no one took decostruction seriously until it was too late
At least he moves on in the end.. Not much but it is some improvement.
Dumbledore and Grindelwald, the Harry Potter series. Dumbledore regretted that relationship for the rest of his life, since it indirectly led to his sister’s death. That’s also why he refused every offer to be minister of magic.
In the book, it does mention how Grindelwald felt guilty of it all while imprisoned. Not to mention refusing to give any information about Albus to Voldemort.
@@roguejester4986 the films unfortunately didn’t do it any justice
Thank you to have put Romeo and Juliet there!!! Actually that was the point of the play. It is why they act very stupid during the whole play. It was Shakespeare’s goal to write them that way. Shakespeare’s intention was to criticize teenagers and their impulsivity. That’s why he wrote the play! It was never a love story at all.
I was thinking the same. Also, tragedy and toxicity in relationships is his forte, he loves that. It's always on pourpose
Exactly!! I will never forget when I commented in front of my ex mother in law I did not care for Romeo and Juliet and her response was that's because you are naive ...yah ok
@@robernardini I commented on an other comment about that and someone said to me that I’m making things up… I try to resonate with that person and they keep telling me that I’m just trolling, that there’s no evidence (when I gave that person plenty of evidences of their impulsivity)… 🤦♀️🤦♀️
I really hope that this person has just watched the movies and has not studied the play to say things like that.
You are right that it isn’t a love story but, a tragedy. But I don’t think Shakespeare’s goal was to criticize teenagers and their impulsivity. He had another goal one that I can guess at but, it is lost on us modern audiences. Teenagers wasn’t a concept back in the day.
Romeo and Juliet’s family hated each other. Even the prince got fed up with it. Juliet’s parents were planning on marrying her off to Paris, a grown man. If anything if Romeo and Juliet were allowed to date normally they probably would have broken up later.
@@DivinaM1105 I'm sorry... she called _you_ naive for not liking a story about two hormonal teenagers being idiots, thinking they're in love when they barely know each other, and then _killing themselves_ when they can't be together? She thinks _you're_ the naive one? Ugh, I'm so glad she's your _ex_ MIL, because she sounds completely delusional. 😬
Noah: "Go out on a date with me or my death will haunt you for life."
Who doesn't love a suicidal stalker?
The way my mouth dropped open when this is the first like ten mins😂
That movie really did a disservice to the book. In the book, Allie and Noah are more stable and actually talk through their differences instead of screaming at each other like a couple of banshees.
Maturing is realizing Summer did nothing wrong. Tom idealized her and she was pretty clear with her boundaries from the jump.
She changes her boundaries very quickly after ending the relationship. She insists she doesn't do love, then falls in love.
In hindsight maybe Tom deserved to have his views deconstructed to see what happens because too much idealism can rot your brain and soul
Also realizing that Tom and Autumn had more chemistry in the last few minutes of the film than he did with Summer throughout the whole film.
Maturity is realizing that when a person loves you and you don’t feel the same, you leave that person alone.
Both Tom and Summer were wrong. Tom should have believed her when she said she didn’t want a serious relationship and backed off. Summer should have left him alone, upon realizing he loved her. At one point Tom puts his foot down and leaves, after the bar fight. That would have been the perfect time for her to find someone else since she didn’t want him. Instead she chases after him; she calls, gets no answer so she goes looking for him in person. So she wasn’t exactly respecting boundaries and I can see why he thinks he has a chance.
Not justifying his behavior because you cannot make someone love you. When someone keeps telling you they don’t want anything serious, believe them and walk away. Respect their decision and move on.
The more mature take is the one in this video. Summer “did nothing wrong” is bs. Both were wrong.
@@andrewsmith74that's bound to happen thou. Because she met her person. And Tom wasn't it
Came here to see if Hermione & Ron from the Harry Potter movies make it onto the list. They may fight like cats & dogs, but they're still soulmates.
My grandparents were exactly like that it's cute, not toxic
@@omalleycaboose5937 sounds toxic and exhausting to me.
Ron and Hermione are toxic. JK has admitted that she regrets pairing them.
@@briannastultz6924 JK said a lot of stupid things after the books were done
@@briannastultz6924 JKR never said that. She said "I wrote the Hermione/Ron relationship as a form of wish fulfillment. That's how it was conceived, really. For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more to do with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione ended up with Ron."
And also
"Oh, maybe she and Ron will be alright with a bit of counseling, you know. I wonder what happens at wizard marriage counseling? They'll probably be fine. He needs to work on his self-esteem issues and she needs to work on being a little less critical."
For the record, The Notebook is completely different in the book; Noah doesn’t ask Allie out constantly
Overall, Romeo and Juliet is better in script of Shakespeare than making a movie about it.
The script is not all that better. They meet, get engaged, get married all in the span of three days. If that isn't teen hormones run amuck, I don't know what is. The only movie that actually portrayed the absurd and problematic nature of their relationship is West Side Story the 2021 version.
@@Jah_LEASE_yah They had to move quickly before Juliet was married to someone else
@@srkh8966 nah. She didn't know she was betrothed to Paris until after she had already married Romeo
Actually Shakespeare never even thought about Romeo and Juliet as a love story. He wrote it as a criticism of teenagers’s impulsivity. It was his way of making fun of teenagers. It was his intention to write them as a toxic couple. That’s why both Romeo and Juliet are acting stupid and that’s the whole point of the play.
@@animeinuyashakagomeYeah if anything Romeo and Juliet is a cautionary tale of teenage love.
Technically, Josh and Cher used to be step-siblings
That's exactly what I was thinking when they came up
Also, the age gap isn't that big. It looks that way because she is in high school and he is in college
It's weird thou
I'd toss Anakin Skywalker and Padme into the list somewhere, especially from Anakin's side of things. He might've loved her originally, but he quickly turned possessive and murdered thousands to save her for himself.
Maybe it would have been better if Anakin died instead of Padme to ensure she was no longer useless
Right. He literally choked his pregnant wife. Then the dr like she died of a broken heart maybe it was strangulation.
@@amourtabb7859 Maybe his breakdown was so huge he left her windpipe way too damaged
words cannot describe how much i will stand by slander of twilight overall especially edward's and bella's "relationship"
and i will never be caught supporting the fifty shades franchise because of how AWFUL it is in general
i misread that as “filthy shades” which works even better lmao
@@wowjennawow that works too lmao
A lot of us call it "Fifty Shades of"... Poop....
Twilight is just wrong.
@@VJAllison1974 exactly!
@@wowjennawow Christian Grey comes in fifty shades and they’re all filthy 😂
This is a courageous list with an important message, and I respect that you encourage us to reconsider some real fan-favorites. Some of these couple dynamics have in fact been romanticised creep shows, at least cringy and outdated. I so appreciate that you've included 50 Shades and Twilight!! 🙌🏽 That being said, I feel like you dramatized one or two relationships and/or put them out of context. For example, Forrest and Jenny are supposed to have a complicated love story with a lot of rejection on Jenny's part whenever her horrible childhood trauma clashes with Forrest's naive yet impressive emotional endurance. That's just a realistic depiction of an abused girl who has no idea how to handle honest, unconditional affection, let alone how to return the love she actually feels. Another point here is Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet, whose relationship is a bit different in the original play, while the screen adaptation suffers notably from cringy directing choices and the lack of chemistry between Leo & Claire. ...But my biggest issue with this list is the dishonorable mention of Beauty and the Beast. The whole point of both the original Frwnxh fairytale and the Disney adaptation is that the supposed villain isn't actually a beast deep inside, which brave + smart Belle manages to unravels while falling in love with the true him. Besides, she comes to him by choice (to save her father), never develops any kind of dependent Stockholm syndrome, and even leaves the castle before the story's cathartic climax.
In my headcannon Jenny met a therapist who not only rejects excuses but also made her see reason and ended her cowardice for good no matter the cost
Romeo and Juliet's relationship is exactly the same in the play, the film uses the play's text verbatim
..in the original German tale...I do not think she went by choice but was bargained.....I will double check this..
The original story is of French origin. She gets homesick and begs the Beast to let her visit her family. He agrees under the condition that she returns after 2 months. She returns voluntarily even if her brothers try to prevent her to, because she envisions the Beast dying.
What?! Belle & The Beast? Toxic?! First of all, she sacrificed everything just so her father could be set free, which The Beast agreed to. Second, it’s true The Beast does have a temper but after years being cooped up in his castle with nothing to do except feel shame, guilt and self-hate for his past actions, can you blame him. On that note, he did told Belle not to go into the West Wing. Lastly, he saved Belle from the wolves, and in turn she brought him back to the castle when she could’ve escaped and left him to die from his wounds. After that, their relationship grew stronger and more intimate. So, who among you on the internet and MsMojo dare to say that this relationship was toxic?!
Yeah, and people say she had stockholm syndrome but the youtuber Isacc carlson made a video for why Belle did make the right choice with the beast and in it he explained and made great points on why she doesn't have stockholm syndrome.
@@brennaflaherty8871 Yes! I heard that Belle didn't have Stockholm syndrome through Cinema Therapy. A couple other points was that the beast allowed her to leave instead of keeping her hostage and she cared more about the beast as a friend during her time as prisoner.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the FBI researched hostage taking situations and found that there are at least 3 factors necessary for Stockholm Syndrome to develop. One of them was that the hostage is not placed in a seperate room. Belle literally gets her own room and he sends servants to help her which limits their contact even more. That is on top of the other reasons such as Belle leaving once she can and her only returning to prevent a- to her- unjustified murder.
@@lindevoskamp4948 If true then the FBI might have inadvertedly said exactly what Cinema Therapy said
That was the whole point of 500 Days of Summer , Tom's misinterpretation of summer's actions and Summer allowing the "relationship" going as far as it did , resulting in mix signals it told us that in the beginning of the film
I will admit that Bella and Edward's relationship isn't always the best, but with the age difference, yes he has been breathing for 100+ years but vampires are frozen at the age they were turned so he IS still 17 years old in every other way. And he never made Bella stay away from her family and friends, that was Bella's choice, she is the one that distanced herself from them. That is evident when the Cullen's leave and she isolates herself from everyone she knows. Edward wante her to stay human and have a real life, Bella was the one that chose to become a vampire of her own choice to stay with Edward, and he only agreed to do it if she married him. Plus he's been alone for his whole life, and he basically forgot how to be a human until he met Bella and she intrigued him. He didn't go about it the best way, but it also shows the immaturity with him in being 17, he's infatuated and doesn't know what to do about it.
Yeah I agree. I absolutely love Twilight but the main love triangle is my least favorite part of the story 😂 Edward gives Bella countless chances to leave him but she doesn’t want to. He is also stuck as a 17 year old guy who has been single for over a century so he probably doesn’t know 1. How to act in a romantic relationship and 2. He’s stuck as an immature, emo kid who doesn’t probably understand his romantic feelings. Again I think the whole Edward/Bella/Jacob thing is crazy and over dramatic and I like Twilight much more for the other relationships in the series (Edward’s family, Sue and Charlie) But I do have a little grave for how weird Edward and Bella’s relationship is
Look, I love Twilight with all my heart (seriously- it's my comfort series), but I 100% agree with it being on this list. Sure there are plenty of explanations on why each character acted in the way they did. But at the end of the day, when you strip it down, it should not be the type of relationship people should yearn for. He was controlling, had a habit of gaslighting her, and straight up stalked her. She was extremely codependent. It was not a healthy relationship at the end of the day.
Anyone who thinks that the movie Shallow Hall is fatphobic didn't get the point. All of the people in the movie who tell offensive fatphobic jokes are assholes. They are the villains in the movie. That is the point. The people in the movie who don't fit the mold of conventional beauty are all the kindest, most loving, fun, awesome and best people. The message of the movie is that Rosemary is awesome and beautiful at any size. The plot of Forest Gump is also deeply misunderstood in this video. It's not that Jenny doesn't love Forest. She doesn't think that she is worthy of love. That is why she mistreated him for so long. It wasn't until she knew she was dying that she realized how much time she wasted running away from true love. And another thing! (Third edit in the span of me watching this video) You cannot tell me that Cher and Josh weren't perfect. Their age gap wasn't that big. He was a freshman in college. No more the 18 or 19 and she was 16. Even the law would say that gap is not a problem. The fact that they USED to be step siblings for like a month shouldn't matter when it comes to a pair so perfect. LOL
Totally 💯 all the people in the movie 🍿🎥 that are judged for being different because of weight or disabilities or burnt in a fire whatever reason are beautiful human being inside and outside good kindest people with big hearts in the movie 🍿🎥 good message
@@lisamariealaniz7538 Exactly. The point of the movie is to teach the audience that they could be missing out on knowing someone awesome because they are judging them from their outward appearance.
@@Jah_LEASE_yah exactly 💯 truth Thank u I got that message I don't know why other people dont get that message!!
@@lisamariealaniz7538 What would you say to those who insist that Forrest was a mere dildo that Jenny will discard??
Even when I saw "The Notebook" as a preteen, I never thought that Allie and Noah's relationship was romantic. He asks her out when she's on a date with someone else, doesn't take no for an answer when she makes it clear that she's not interested, and threatens that he'll harm himself if she continues to refuse him. He obviously doesn't care if he traumatises her, yet we're clearly supposed to think that it's "Romantic."
Yeah and him writing to her everyday is obsessive and creepy, not romantic. Her cheating on Lon was also horrible. She should have just left him if she didn’t want him. Lon was such a sweetheart, it sends the wrong message; her leaving the sweet, healthy, kind man for the manipulative, obsessed man she constantly argues with.
In all honesty, some rom-coms portrays relationships that are not exactly toxic, just a little problematic with the main couple having some issues they need to work out. But do you want to know, in my personal opinion, what is the single most toxic relationship I have ever seen in a movie, or other entertainment media, for that matter? Tessa and Hardin from the After movies. Tessa should just wake the hell up and dump that toxic, manipulative asshat like yesterday's newspaper. Like, no, girl. Stop trying to change him. He's NOT worth it. Date someone else and move the hell on, for crying out loud! He spends all of the movies carrying flags redder than a lobster. Violent tantrums, manipulative behavior, a chronic liar, Tessa has to walk on eggshells with him... Just confirms to me that this is the epitome of a toxic relationship in movie/series media. They're so toxic, they're burning my nose hair! Okay, forgiveness, seeing good in everyone and all, but he just never changes. Tessa should just dump him for good, move on and not look back, he doesn't deserve her.
I'm surprised About Time isn't at least a dishonourable mention. As much as I love that film as a huge fan of Domhnall Gleeson, having the ability to go back in time to fix mistakes or dissatisfactions in his relationship makes him seem like the “perfect partner” for her but she doesn't have any idea about the flaws that had actually happened in the relationship.
I wonder how many good relationships I could have salvaged if I could have had a do-over. About Time doesn't belong on this list.
I completely disagree with the Beauty and The Beast one. She stays in the castle to protect her father, and although they started off wrong, she doesn't fall in love with him until he begins to truly change himself. Also, notice that the Beast never lays a hand on her the entire movie, until he lets her help him after the wolf attack. This is not Stockholm Syndrome, and you people who still think it is are seriously messed up because they have one of the most realistic romances ever seen in a Disney movie.
This coming from a person who never agreed with Disney's film methods to begin with but I agree
josh and Cher are ex step siblings. the relationship is absolutely not toxic....
It's a complicated relationship but not toxic. Firstly, bcz their parents hv divorced but Mel(CHER's dad) still loves josh as his son. Mel himself said that you divorce Wives not children and is still emotionally connected to josh but is not connected by law which reflects that Josh and cher hv every right to be in a relationship. Furthermore, throughout the movie,I could tell from Mel's gestures and expressions that he does want Cher and Josh to date. If you hvnt noticed that you hvnt watch Clueless carefully enough. I love clueless and hv watch the movie several times and can 100 % be sure that Josh and Cher's relationship is not toxic.
What do you think about the age gap?? I ask this because one youtuber seems to have fanatical hatred to age gaps mostly commenting without any sense of honor
I feel bad for those that watch this kind of stuff and think this is how a relationship works in real life
Agreed, especially young, impressionable viewers. My eight year old cousin loves "The Kissing Booth", and doesn't realise that Elle and Noah's relationship is NOT ideal in real life.
@@trinaq 8 year olds are young and impressionable. If he was 24 I'd be worried.
Hey, most couples aren't sugarcoated like stupid, cheesy rom-coms, and that's okay. Because these couples are relatable because of trial and error, and they learned from their mistakes. Despite their immaturity and flaws, love does conquer all.
I was thinking that was kind of the point in Love Actually. Love isn't perfect. It keeps trying and can be found in various ways,
It’s not okay when those toxic relationships are portrayed as healthy.
I disagree with #'s 6, 4 & Honorable Mention Beauty and the Beast.
Sandy & Danny and Beast & Belle started off toxic and were willing to change themselves for one another, while Jenny couldn't be healthy for Forest until she loved herself and she couldn't do that until she dealt with her past, which she did. All three couples have different issues but go through the same needing to change to be with who they love story.
And when it comes to #1, it is and was always meant to be a cautionary tale. In no way have I ever seen it romanticized in viewers eyes. Only in Harley's eyes and she's even wised up to show the side of realization in said cautionary tale.
Teenagers tend to romanticize the Joker and Harley. Most of them have only seen the movie, and they cannot see the red flags because they are not as obvious as the ones in the comics and animated series. They were toxic even in Suicide Squad though.
I don't know if this counts but Bonnie and Clyde killed 13 people and people act they're folk heroes.
Glad to see "Forrest Gump" and "The Twilight Saga" made the list. Jenny used and mistreated Forrest so badly just because he was mentally challenged and could get away with it. As for Bella and Edward...no way in hell I'd give up my life and independence for undead creep playing head games and thirsts for my blood.
I didn't realize Edward and Bella were toxic until a few years ago. I didn't realize how needy Bella was and how obsessed Edward was. There's so much more than that but it's just not healthy.
Jenny was sexually abused early in life and that completely messed with her self-worth. It blows my mind that you can respect Forrest's mental hurdles, but not Jenny's struggles in trying to get over the abuse.
@@Goomyx1492 I would have been better if Jenny told Forrest to find a woman who is more human than she would ever hoped to be
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722She kept telling him that he didn’t know what love is and how she wanted him to back off. Also Forrest has an intellectual disability, if it was real life, would people even accept them as a couple? They’d see her as predatory. She already had her own issues and didn’t want to bring Forrest down with her so she left.
@@unknownstranger6875 Imagine if a love triangle happened in that film. Maybe the better ending would still be Jenny's death by cancer but Forrest had suddenly a better wife all along
As a collective, we've learned better than to romanticize Mistah J and Harley, right? Right??
i think the actors not looking even remotely like high schoolers in grease really makes the character’s mistakes harder to understand lol
I’m finally so glad that someone sees what I mean about Greece. This movie made me so sad when I watched it.
THANK YOU so much for making this video!
Okay interesting concepts on all these movies. (not familiar with nearly all of them at that) 1991 Beauty and The Beast I completely wholeheartedly DISAGREE with. It wasn't Stockholm Syndrome, she took her father's place to protect him. Belle helped Adam change for his better, to be better for her. Belle only realizes her friend is more to her as he dies in her arms.
I’m disappointed Hardin and Tessa aren’t on here
Same
Maybe now it's so toxic it must be forgotten no matter what
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 so toxic Fifty Shades and Twilight are considered less toxic 🥲
How in the world are they not on the list??
@@kendrarasberry3078 Probably because they’re too unbearable. All the couples on this list are at least somewhat tolerable.
As soon I saw Romero and Juliet i said "thanks you" been saying I for years their relationship was toxic. Edward and Bella, Harley Quinn and Joker and finally Christian Gray and Anastasia are type of relationships you should never want be in.
A Star is Born: Allie & Jackson are FAR from ‘romanticized.’ There’s nothing romantic about the way things end!
All of the “A Star is Born” couples were toxic-that’s literally the plot.
I wonder what kind of relationship is Josh and Cher , as they are ex Step-siblings , I mean her father wasn't with Josh's mother anymore and he treats Josh as his son
Probably his protege, or at least an intern
Mel (Cher's dad) literally says in the movie "You divorce wives, not children", so it makes sense he would continue to treat Josh as a son ever after divorcing his mother. Also, if memory serves, Josh and Cher's parents weren't married very long and the kids hadn't see each other in a while, so they definitely wouldn't have brotherly/sisterly feelings towards each other.
@@sarammauricio It doesn't make sense to be close to former stepchildren. Are you saying that if you were married for a couple of years, you'd treat his kid as your own for the rest of your life?!
@@andrewsmith74 No, I probably wouldn't. But Mel apparently does. Maybe he was married and divorced a lot and he realizes the importance of stability for kids (having one of his own), so he is trying to give that to Josh (whose mom probably was also married and divorced a lot)?
@@sarammauricio If he'd had other marriages, they'd be mentioned. He'd have other ex-family that he'd also consider to still be his family.
#6 I beg to differ. Danny changes himself to impress Sandy after she lets him know she prefers a jock ( a young Lorenzo Lamas)
The couples from Sleepless in Seattle and You’ve Got Mail should at least be honorable mentions
Hal saw the inner beauty of all women he was shallow and had to learn to see past appearances. He finally got it when he saw Kadence again and saw her not as the sweet young child who didn’t have anything wrong to seeing her as she actually was which was a patient in the children’s burn ward.
Cinema Therapy has excellent episodes about a lot of these couples/movies (like how Belle and Beast is _not_ Stockholm Syndrome).
There's nothing wrong with enjoying fiction, but the siblings/guardians/parents of younger people should definitely make an effort to make sure they know that these things aren't _actually_ as ✨perfect✨ or ✨romantic✨ as they seem on film because fiction is fiction, even when it might _seem_ realistic.
My niece was a tween when the Twilight books were released, and she was OBSESSED with them. Since my sister just obsessed right along with her and didn't see anything wrong at all about Edward or Jacob (her ex-husband would tell you a LOT about why), I had to be the one to have chats with her about things like:
"It might seem romantic that Edward sneaks into Bella's room at night to watch her sleep, but if a boy ever does that to you? RUN. That's him being a stalker, and it's creepy. No normal boy does that. EVER."
and
"No boy should ever take your decisions away from you to make them himself the way Edward and Jacob do to Bella. EVER. You are your own person, and your autonomy is something boys should value and respect just like _everybody's_ autonomy should be respected, _ESPECIALLY_ if they say they love you."
I often wonder how many girls from her generation ended up in manipulative, abusive relationships out of the starting gate because they thought Edward or Jacob was ✨dreamy and romantic.✨
Thing is Bella is not her own person as Edward is her whole personality, which is even more toxic
@@divinelangene6813 Maybe her father should have aborted her
Wow! I wish I had an aunt like you that was so intentional with teaching those things! My therapist is walking me thru it now 😅
Until i heard about it, i never would have imagined Leonardo DiCaprio and Clare Danes didn't like each other in real life
People need to leave Cher and Josh alone!
Believe it or not, people can be step siblings and still marry each other because they aren’t related.
It is admittedly very odd but hey it’s much better than incest.
Not to mention but the gap?
Cher is 16 and Josh is 18 or 19 when they started going out.
I was 18 and my boyfriend, Ryan, was 16 when we started going out.
So that’s like saying that we were toxic for each other just because of our age gap.
It’s okay for that to happen as long as there’s no sex until he’s of age too.
I’m just pointing that out there.
A very toxic couple everyone forgot about is from Disney's Chicken Little, when Foxy changes because of the aliens but when they try to revert it Runt tells them for her to stay that way without her consent and no one else cares about it
Agreed, that always bothered me as a child, since Foxy has her whole personality wiped clean, and is brainwashed into having a relationship with Runt, simply because he likes her better that way? And this is supposedly a kids' movie?!
Cher and Josh are EX step siblings... And never had a close brother/sister bond
I disagree with the Forrest Gump reading, it comes down to Jenny’s trauma and self worth. She loves Forrest but doesn’t see herself of being worthy or good for him so she dates all these trash bags that she doesn’t care about. She stays away from Forrest when she has his child because she doesn’t want to burden him or is hoping he maybe finds someone else. But when she finds out she’s sick and terminal she knows that it’s Forrest that she can trust to be there for her. A lot of ppl that have suffered trauma particularly women would love to have someone like Forest who is a safe harbour like that. I also kinda disagree with the notebook, while the start of their relationship is 100% dodge. The arguing isn’t always a bad thing, they don’t hold anything back from each other and know they love each other at their worst.
I agree but I believe she didn’t really hold off telling him about his son -he started running the minute she left and she told him shortly after he returned, in an time before cell phones
@@shannonslutzky4754 ooh good point, I’m gonna have to rewatch just to refresh my memory
@@amandalea8772 In my headcannon Jenny had therapist who punched her in her face and finally learned her lesson
Is anyone romanticizing Forrest and Jenny, though? The other couples on this list are seen as “couple goals” or classic couples, lots that people will dress up as for Halloween. But I’ve never seen anyone look at Forrest and Jenny that way, I think they’ve always been seen as maybe not toxic, but tragic.
Forrest was the one who always treated Jenny with the respect she deserved and Jenny never felt as if she was worthy of such treatment because of what she went through.
“We accept the love we think she deserve.”
The Perks of Being a Wallflower
I disagree with the Notebook and Forrest Gump. Yes Noah asked Ally out in a way that was totally wrong. But if Ms. Mojo did her research, she would know that even after the Ferris wheel scene, Ally still wasn’t going to go out with him. She only started to like him once he talked to her like a normal person and tried to get to know her. And then years later, she was the one who tracked him down and went to see him.
As for Forrest Gump, Jenny never took advantage of Forrest. Not once. She thought that she was worthless and that Forrest was too good for her. Hence why she pushed him away so many times.
She should have told Gump this to his face tho. Just tell him to END IT. I mean by this point all break up songs that demanded the other person to be honest to their faces uncaring if the truth will be deadly have aged like fine wine
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 It’s not that easy for some people. Especially ones with a history of abuse. And to tell you the truth, re-watching the movie several times, I’ve never actually seen Jenny do anything to hurt Forest. Really the only one I ever saw her hurt was herself.
@@Rose-xy5pe That's why I want a what if story of a competition between Jenny and another girl as a battle for Forrest to see who is more worthy of his heart
500 Days of Summer was a great movie, but that movie makes it clear that Tom was a selfish harasser and that the romance was not meant to be emulated. It was left open ended whether Summer was ever leading him on because of Tom's unreliable narration. Summer made a clear unambiguous No, but Tom did not get the memo that no means no. The actor who played Tom encouraged fans who sympathized with Tom to watch the movie again and see how selfish and entitled he was.
Tom was a needy, clingy fool. But Summer wasn’t innocent either. She knew how she felt and stuck around, even though she did not feel the same way.
Leaving him alone would have been the right thing to do. If he kept insisting that she go out with him, she should have gotten a restraining order. Instead she kept it going, and even chased him when he was ready to walk away. Both are crappy people.
I’ve been in Summer’s shoes. When I saw some men I dated were more serious than I was, even though I was clear that I didn’t want anything serious, I cut things off with them. Didn’t even sleep with them. I didn’t want the drama that came with it, and didn’t want to hurt anybody.
I was shocked to see Belle and Adam on the list.
12:44 If I had a dollar every single time had to listen to this bs belief that BatB is about “Stockholm Syndrome,” I would be in the 1% by now 🤬😡 Did any of these people EVER read this story as children or watch ANY of the numerous adaptations? Beauty CHOSE of her OWN volition to go in her father’s place to rectify HIS mistake. She CHOSE to stay with him once she realized he wasn’t really the monster she believed him to be (I.e. being a decent being to her & respecting her personal boundaries). She CHOSE to go back to him BECAUSE she realized she genuinely love him for him.
I agree. I will continue to rock my 'real beauty lies within' bracelet thanks 😊🎉
@@jetodessa5484What do you think of Xaldin telling the Beast that a Beast feeling love is bullshit? Was he trying to prove that second chances is never deserving and that everyone who is reforged as a monster must stay as a monster till the end?
I know this isn't a fun topic but I enjoyed this video. Congrats on staying 100 about couples that have always seemed more "icky" than "dreamy".
I agree with other commenters, you're being a little hard on Jenny. It's not a toxic relationship if the "damaged partner" isn't intentionally hurtful (Jenny wasn't being malicious in keeping the baby a secret) and don't forget Forrest understood Jenny's issues and loved her in spite of them. As for Beauty and the Beast, yeah, he wasn't a good guy at first, but isn't there room for growth in relationships? The guy was cursed for being a jerk and wouldn't have become Prince Handsome if his heart hadn't been truly reformed. As for Beauty, she needed the reality check.
The film would have been better if Jenny told Forrest to find a woman that is far better than her and her sisters because Jenny believes she has no right to be even some competition. She wanted to die maybe if her not defending herself from abusers is to be believed
You should do tv show couples next. Gossip Girl: Chuck & Blair, Pretty Little Liars: Ezra & Aria
100% agree with Grease being on this list. I remember watching it and loving it as a kid all thanks to the catchy tunes. However, watching it as an adult makes you realize how completely messed up it is. It's the worst.
Shallow Hall is one of my favourite movies and I can't agree with this pick. Yes, it extremely exagerates everythimg, but it's a comedy and should be considered as such. And also, Hall's behaviour and fatfobia clearly is shown as wrong.
I feel like a lot of people misunderstand love, actually. The “actually” is the point, sometimes it’s actually messy and sometimes it’s not okay… but also Hugh Grant’s character literally removes his assistant because he recognizes that it’s not okay to date an employee?
Also, Romeo and Juliet isn’t supposed to be a love story, it’s supposed to be a tragedy. Their love was an illustration so that their deaths drove home the point, that hatred has real consequences.
I knew Twilight would be on the list.😆
Twilight ,50 shades , Romeo and Juliet , and the Notebook movies make me want to scream at them. Forrest and Jenny make me not want to be like them, but can see why he wants to love her so much.
I don’t agree with Josh and Cher. Their parents were only “hardly married.” He always struck me more like that kid you hung around growing up because your parents were super close. Not actual family.
Yet another half-baked take of "ermagahhhhhhd Grease was so PROBLEMATIC" *groundbreaking*
People take it WAY too seriously. For godssakes, they FLY OFF in their car at the end! Frenchie deciding whether to drop out of beauty school and go back to high school takes the form of a highly stylized musical number with Frankie friggin Avalon as an angel! It's a fun fluffy fantasy, leave it alone*
*also, I consider the ending through the Cinderella principle: Cinderella wasn't a passive maiden who dreamt of meeting and marrying the prince, she just wanted a damn night off to dance at a ball and wear a pretty dress. In the same line, Sandy got a makeover for herself. She was a teenager! Teenagers frequently try on different personas as a way of finding out who they are. Hell for all we know, maybe a week after they flew off in the car and landed in Narnia, she went through a flapper phase. Danny digging her makeover was just the cherry on top.
(I know, this rant ironically shows that now I'M taking it too seriously lol whatever)
Tell that to children who easily romanticize crap
Romeo and Juliet are the ultimate toxic couple for SO many reasons!
I kind of have to disagree with the twilight one cause Yes it's a toxic relationship but if anybody was the one forcing themselves on the other or not respecting their boundaries it was Bella.
Both were extremely codependent, unhealthy people. He was possessive and a gas lighter. She was obsessed with him, making him her whole world.
How come Romeo and Juliet and Sandy and Danny are also on your best teen couples list lmfao
Joker & Harley are pretty much supposed to be toxic?
Romeo and Juliet hardly count as a 'movie couple', and even if they did, there were plenty of other movies of the story besides 1996. Likewise Beauty and the Beast having enough of a cultural history to not be a 'Disney Couple' - that wasn't even the first movie version
Yes Romeo and Juliet hardly count as a movie couple since it’s originally a play, but in every versions of the story they are still a toxic relationship. Much like the Joker and Harley Quinn, they were intended to be toxic since it was Shakespeare’s intention to write them as a toxic couple.
Romeo montage was just a confused young man who should have had better influences to help him understand the feelings of love
Also gotta admit, when my young adult daughter said she liked Harley Quinn, I thought I'd Pass out or something (lol) But I have to give her credit for getting me "into" Harley Quinn, the solo character, even if she (Harley) has done a lot of not so nice things in her past, with or without Joker.
Margaret from Canada
Thank you for putting Love, Actually in this list, because when me and my brother were watching this with our parents, we were so upset by this movie we didn’t finish it all the way through when we were a bit younger. Recently I decided to watch it again on my own, and I still believe that it is trash. One of the worst rom coms ever in my opinion.
Most in that film deserve a lifetime of coal since it takes place on Christmas
I like how people say Belle fell in love with her captor when she could leave any time she wanted. In fact, she DID. And the Beast saved her. Hello??? Do people not remember that??
I loved Shallow Hal. He got over his ego and went with his heart. It's not anti-fat or whatever, it's anti-ego. They make him look like a jackass (intentionally), showing how ugly the hate and trashy jokes are. People need to stop being so damn sensitive. Also, the Clueless thing - it was sweet. They aren't related. There's nothing wrong with it.
Tell that to children who easily romanticize crap
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 🙄 That's one of the groups I was talking about.
I’d argue that the Love Actually couples should be at number one. Allie & Noah clocks it at number two quite easily.
How about making a list of the Top 10 Toxic Film/TV Couples We Just Can't Get Enough of?
No strong feelings about any of them (except for mostly agreeing on your takes about them), but ... Maybe it's me being German, but how is being step-siblings toxic? Unless they're genetically related, that's completely legal and even rather common. And why is it okay with found family leading to more, but not if the found family has partially institutionalised their bond? (No idea about Clueless in general, it's been ages since I watched it and I don't remember much about it. So, idk, the couple can still be completely toxic. It's just that pointing out that they're step-siblings doesn't seem relevant to me regarding this list.)
Massimo and Laura should've been in the list because they're the most toxic romantic couple there.
Where's Sebastian Valmont and Kathryn Merteuil from Cruel Intentions? Or couples George & Martha and Nick & Honey from Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf? Benjamin and Mrs. Robinson and her daughter Elaine from The Graduate?
Hopefully as a top 20 those you mention will be included
The question is with all these "toxic relationships" what is a healthy one? Maybe there is so such thing, as people are by nature not healthy. In the case of Noah and Allie they probably were toxic but became healthy.
Tell that to children who easily romanticize crap
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 I have been in my fair share of toxic relationships...and I'm not a romantic at all. My point is, things change in society, and let's be honest everyone by current standards was toxic at one time in their life. Also, later in the Notebook, Noah was suffering from PTSD. The movie Noah was very different from the book Noah also.
@@ThumperE23 Does that give you the right to use and abuse a widow that may not get over her husband's death??? Because that's where my respect for Noah died and may never come back
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 That is one interpretation of the movie, but that takes away the widow's choice in the matter. They both entered the relationship, they both were suffering and they both used each other. The widow caught feelings. As the movie was based on a sizable book it thinned down at lot of things. Also, the device being used is someone telling the story of their life to his partner. So, there is a level several levels of recollection there. By the devise itself nothing in that movie should be taken at 100 percent face value, as it uses an unreliable narrator.
Another thing about Romeo and Juliet is, what my 9th grade L.A teacher loved to remind us, is the balcony scene is Romeo being a creep. He trespassed over the wall and had no idea which was Juliet's room or that she lived there, and just looked into someones room. The scene in the Owl house where Luz went to save Amity and they kissed in Clouds on the horizon is how to do the balcony scene without being creepy Romeo.
They’re better be the same for Television couples I mean there’s a lot almost every pairing except for Lexi and Fezco from Euphoria, Ross and Rachel from friends, Ted and Robin from How I Met Your Mother, Derek and Meredith from Grey’s Anatomy, Jade and Beck from Victorious, Sam and Freddie from Icarly, Dwight and Angela from The Office, and Carrie and Mr Big from Sex And The City,
Every time I saw young people say that Harley and Joker were their relationship goals, I am STUNNED! NO Sorry!
Joker is an abusive man that shouldn't be looked up to! YET there has been so many that think they are, and I am confused!
My niece read the Twilight books and I got through the first one to see what the big deal was - I agree. Notthat he is a vampire bothered me - Vampires are not the issue - its the stalking.
Morticia and Gomez are what some should look to - they love each other
I agree with you about “Clueless”, but I feel the need to give literary and historical context. The movie is based off of Jane Austen’s novel Emma. In the story Emma’s older sister marries Knightly’s younger brother. Now while people were completely okay with marrying cousins at the time, Emma and Knightly were considered as closely related as siblings.
Clueless (widely considered one of the best adaptations of Emma) kept the “kinda siblings but not actually blood related” dynamic by making them step siblings and Knightly has always been older.
To be clear, this doesn’t erase the ick-factor you get with the modern-day lense.
7:26 i feel like Summer isnt a problem in this movie, she makes what she wants very clear, and Tom goes in with that understanding and a plan to change her mind. Hes also the one that pursues her.
Not to mention summer is honest the whole time while Tom lies and says he's okay with something casual
They did the same thing as vampire diaries
I challenge you to find top ten rom-coms or fairytales that portray healthy relationships.
Most Rom-Coms belong on this list. In fact most fairy tales do too... Snow White falls for someone she barely knows and marries him, Sleeping Beauty gets raped while she's unconscious, the Little Mermaid changes who she is and literally loses her voice to be with the man she loves... what are we teaching our children??
I'm fst, and I really liked Shallow Hal. I think we can still enjoy these movies while recognizing they aren't accurate portrayals of how relationships should be.
Thank you so much for including Bella and Edward! I've been saying for years how toxic they are! Edward is a controlling man who had no regard for Bella's boundaries and then we have Bella who just made me scream with frustration. Forget team Edward or team Jacob, I was on team Charlie, that dude deserved way better as a father.
That being said, Beauty and the Beast definitely wasn't toxic, nor was it Stockholm syndrome. It definitely had the elements to be a depiction, but the small details prevented that. For example, Belle initially sees the beast as her friend, she refers to him as my friend when Gaston and his cronies plan on killing him. She later realises she is in love with him, when he is dying.
I personally think Hardin and Tessa from the after series should be on this list.Both of them are toxic for each other
12:41 - Gotta majorly disagree with you guys on this one. A majority of people think their relationship is toxic because she falls in love with him and yet he "kidnapped" her when that's not even remotely the case. You can't call it kidnapping or being held captive if you willing choose to go with someone or choose not to leave the location you're at; which is exactly what Belle did in order to save her father.
What about Christian Slater and the main girl from Heathers? 🙃😊
Can’t say all of these are toxic and then not included Hardin and Tessa??? Lol
Hardin & Tessa are 101% toxic. A psycopathic asshat and a submissive lamb just as much mentally challenged. And some people root for their relationship when it's pretty much broken.
14:33 - Ok I totally agree with #1 and I get the category is 'Toxic Movie Couples' but you can't just say Suicide Squad, it the whole freaking DC Universe. Like the minute Harley was created and introduced in Batman the Animated series, they became the ultimate toxic couple, the king and queen of toxic couples.😂😂
The literal point of Beauty and The Beast is is that The Beast was a selfish and mean guy who becomes a better person……himself. Belle didn’t do a single thing to change him other than be herself.
Jack Black acting like he’s a prize 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️