When Childhood Abuse Turns Into Disturbing Behavior - The Story of Beth Thomas
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2022
- This episode of "The Disturbing Truth" dives deep into the dark story of Beth Thomas, the girl whose abusive experiences as an child resulted in disturbing behavior as she grew up. Thomas was adopted as a child and started showing signs of violent behavior, including killing animals.
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Yay.....great to see your content getting the exposure it deserves and needs. Congrats
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Where are the Thomas’s? They are also abusiver. I can’t believe what I see and the book is available,where?
@@angelblue314 did you listen to the entire video? The Thimas lady wasn't the family that adopted the 2 kids originally. Dhe was the worker at the group home, who is supportive of all the therapies that have ended in a chilfs death, and held the hand of the child who was screamed at and forced to be held, scream, continously kick his legs...and so much more abusive punishment to damaged kids.
@@angelblue314 Beth is roughly 43yo today
Beth's adoptive parents are an example of how amazing humans can actually be.
Have you watched until the end ?
True , and her biological parents are a perfect example of how disgusting and horrible humans can be too
@@hermonitchagya8628 dad* bc her mom died when she was 1
Do u guys know where they actually are now ..and her brother..are they with Beth now❤?
i saw a video calling her the worlds most evil child. she wasn’t evil in ANY way. She was broken. she was scared. love isn’t an innate behavior; it’s a learned behavior that develops throughout early childhood.
This girl was never loved, never taught how to express emotions in a healthy way.
She wasn’t evil.
I guess that is what we call evil
What is your definition of evil, if I may
She sufferd als a liltle baby and child. Poor thing. Now she is a sweet soul with a good heart. Strong woman. Deep respect.
@@taraji_bevil would be someone who knows they're doing something wrong but does it anyway just for the satisfaction of hurting someone else.
It depends on your perspective, I mean if her brother called her evil who would we be to say he’s wrong ? He’d be quite justified to say so.
I don’t think she is, but she was close to becoming what we call ‘evil’. Luckily she’s now a nurse with a happy family.
"when I hurt people I'm hurting my good self"
When that baby cried I cried.
💔💔💔💔💔😔
"when I hurt people I'm hurting my good self" That is a powerful statement! Thank you for commenting this, I missed hearing it.
31:36
Really blows my mind how different Beth's story would be if she had not gotten the help she needed. Sounds like the beginning of how a serial killer psychopath is born
We still don't know behind close doors how she lives and hide things,
she didnt get the help she needed the lady who adopted her nancy thomas has been involved in the deaths of many adopted kids
@@cathy2earth where did u get that
@@Magali1996P general knowledge. I've also personally met Nancy
@@cathy2earth They only adopted 2 other children besides Beth.
It’s just chilling to hear such a little girl talk about these horrible things with no emotion whatsoever. What a monster her father was. 😡
It’s sickening to hear some what what she said. I know she can’t help it but at that age already doing adult things is so sad and alarming.
And a monster she turned out to be.
It was all lies, she was born evil!!
evil takes control so sad how evil loves to distory childrens minds but at the same time evil took this childs body, God has her soul. safe keeping because this father as debts 2 pay
@@50rene61 amen.
Yes. Children do remember. Trauma stays with you. Even if the mind forgets, the body always remembers.
You’re a real looker😉❤️
true, in many cases. control your adult perspective, learn to control your mindset and meditate. allow plenty of time to heal. PEACE LOVE AND EMPATHY.
The body keeps score 😢
Tina lol I was about to call you a creep and then I saw your profile pic. So stinkin adorable 🐰 thanks for the smile 😊.
When youre a child thats when youre learning from your parents how to be a human, I dont know why people think just because it isnt in recallable memory that early childhood trauma wont effect them
One of the hardest videos to watch. Trauma as a young child is so hard to think about as an adult.
Agree 100%…
The younger treatment is accepted and received the easier it is for change to happen and the mind to deal with the past because they have so much more positive to focus on anytime the past starts getting to them my kids aren't even bothered by the stuff their mothers did to twist their minds because the first ones the oldest ones were only 10 when she dumped them off to never be seen or heard from again but young enough to heal old enough to really want a different view of the world and women the last 4 I had 3 teens and a preteen they were a little harder but after they told me they didn't want to move again and saw they got their way and picked me as their dad and from the moment they decided that I made sure they knew they were safe nobody would hurt them physically without dealing with me they knew how much I loved them and it was rough but worth every second of it we all still go and even though my grandkids haven't been hurt but they participate in family therapy it can't hurt them learning different coping skills especially since my times ticking
The girl spoke too well. I think the girl lied.She has some secrets.
This made me cry so much... it was the tears she shed when she realised the pain. The empathy was right there. Bless her poor little soul
It is amazing that she is doing well and works as an RN!
Exactly that’s how I knew she wasn’t a psychopath because they don’t cry and have emotions
What about the brother.......
@@ArtVandelayOfficial I’ve been trying to find info on him. I feel the worst for little John. I wonder how he turned out, but I can’t find anything.
@@wintyforever Not good unfortunately
From what I can see he passed away at 30 from cardiomyopathy after an unsuccessful heart transplant
Poor guy just never had a chance, it's not fair at all
Keep in mind she wasn't born a monster. She was made into a monster by the very people who was supposed to love her and nurture her but didn't. So blame those people who made her that way.
Like monkey see, monkey do, as my parents would say.
I wonder how Hitler would have turned out? It's not always how you're raised. There exists demons in human form.
Now we want more incapable, sick, homeless, addicted, and can’t even take care of themselves to give birth.
No one is lining up to adopt these babies after they are born. Many don’t even want them to have a lunch at school, mental health care, medical care.
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My coworker adopted an infant from an orphanage in Russia. By the time all the paperwork, red tape etc was done, they didn’t get to bring him home until he was 18 months old. He also has this. Not to the degree Beth had it, but they have had him in therapy for years. A lot of these babies that sit in foreign orphanages, are never once picked up and held,rocked, shown love etc. They never even leave their cribs. Just shows you how important loving, human touch is.
So glad to see that she’s doing so well and now helping others.
There is a phenomenon called "hospitalism". This describes this.
So incredibly important to have that human contact and love.
so what can WE do to prevent this horrible circumstance from happening again? I am not involved in any type of adoption at all, but to read your comment I was horrified!! DO SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! BE his soldier!!
I work in an adolescent crisis center. A majority of the kids we get with serious behavior issues are adopted, many have been from Russia actually. It's like they just can't be fixed.
@@rachaelb. apparently you didn't actually read the comment... smh. What are we supposed to do about children in foreign countries? They adopted him and have him in therapy. I'd say they've done plenty.
God bless the adoptive parents who never gave up on Beth. Going through this sort of thing with your own biological child would be difficult enough, but to go through it with a child you've just adopted has to be difficult on an entirely different level. I'm so glad that Beth is doing well now and has forgiven her past.
I've known about this story since it was public and what you stated has stuck with me since I first heard of Beth........
These parents adopted with pure motives, we're in it for the long haul, and persevered
Very difficult situation. I don’t know how they did it. Glad these outstanding people were there for these kids.
@@mathiasringle6972 Excuse me, when and where (what state)?
My thoughts exactly. They are truly amazing parents.
@@alanabakke4310 you didn't watch the whole video.
I was struck by Beth saying because she was hurt so bad she didn't want people around and that's why she wants to kill people! I felt like crying when she said that, just the brutal honesty made sense to a 6 year old mind was sad
100%, she was scared of people she was never protected.
Did you see the amazing recovery she made, I’d be way more concerned about That Dr Neil Feinmans victims. Terrible
The drawing she did was it for me 😰
@@magicmyc2672 I think this therapy is actually what a lot of Gen x kids went through with bully parents that “ give you something to cry about” and made to “ sit there all day “ until you “ appreciated “ food. Etc….
@@satinblackcat666 yep, that neil guy reminds me a lot of my dad. i went through that kind of stuff but much more violent for 20 yrs
I know she is an adult now, and I know she did some twisted things as a child... yet listening to her just makes me weep for the child that she was. So much pain...
Yes, very sad.
She is a lovely person and luckily got the help she needed before she killed another human being. Cases where children like this actually do kill humans leads to them often just rotting in various prisons and institutions until they mellow out. Beth proved that life for kids with RAD doesn't have to end up a tragedy.
Oi
It's a tragedy for the animals she hurt. I can't listen to it but they mattered too.
interesting, As I just watched Parkland trial..and no one feels sorry for him..I mean
.yes, he was 19,HE
.murdered, etc
..BUT...... HE WAS born to lose, pity who he was,hate who he stayed
She grew up into a perfectly normal adult and now has a family of her own. Just goes to show what proper mental health care and a loving family can do.
normal?
this woman will never be normal.
Obviously alot of these comments were made without watching the entire story
@@philmatophthat almost sounds like an insult
Exactly! We all have psychological effects caused by our upbringings. It’s amazing how far she has come.
the neil feinberg tape is one of the most disturbing things i have ever seen. who in the world would think that would help RELEASE trauma? i fully cannot breathe watching this tape. there are so many cuss words flying through my mind
and how bout the things that arent recorded?
It made me feel sick, especially the way he was holding that child's face.
@@sn1ffy85 oh jesus christ i haven’t even thought about that :((
@@bubbaloo62 it’s despicable
Poor Neil 🥺 What's wrong with this guy? 😡 This is no way to treat a child 😳
my first memory is of trauma at age 3. im 51 now and its still clear and never goes away
Oh, that is regretful!
Marie, are you okay?
But most importantly, can we listen in if that is still hurting you and how can it be lessened or 'relieved' (if that is possible?)
Same
WOW SORRY TO HEAR THAT.. I HOPE ALL IS WELL 🥺💔🙏❤️
@@lorettascott5477 Me too....do you want to tell me about it ? I am interested....love from Canada
My trauma is less significant than those experiencing real neglect and physical abuse...I remember when I was three watching my sisters and brothers playing with my Dad and I was leaning against a wall watching.....I KNEW I wasnt remembered or missed and that I wasnt important to anyone at all.....and the Christmas that everyone else had so many presents and I got only one......my sense of worth went down hill from there
God bless those parents who had the love and patience to help her get through this. They are angels.
And thank God she and her brother were placed in that home. Can you imagine if she (and him to a slightly lesser extent) hadn't received the quality mental health care she got? I suspect one or both of them would have grown up to become serial killers or something. They literally saved her life, and possibly many other lives.
...even if they ARE delusional religious wackaloons.
wtfk you say 🧐 are you sick
God's love is the miracle ♥️
There sick for leaving the brother with her when they knew what she was like
That "therapy" from that niel guy was the most revolting, troubling thing I've ever seen. I can't believe that was happening in 1993, when I was 5 years old. I don't know how any parent could sit by and watch that. Just disgusting.
Absolutely horrible, they should be in prison for what they did to that boy.
It's hard to distinguish the psychological tactical games on display in Neil's "Holding Therapy Couch" video with analogous psychological tactical games often manifestly apparently on display in other, arguably-differently-so-tactilely-provenanced, "Generic Casting Couch" videos.
The only difference here appears to be the gender and age of the person on the Couch.
The psychological tactical games on display in both types of videos appear to be the same, however.
And both types of videos appear to depict legally-recognized actions.
And, yet...
This is America.
I agree. I could not image the heart wrenching feeling that kid had experiencing someone doing that to him and another holding him back.. I barely could even watch
I think my Mother read a page from Neil's book but she didn't go quite to his extremes. I remember being held against my will and forced to make eye contact. I refused to look into her eyes. Mum would go into rages over that. I remember feeling such anger towards her and fighting like an animal to get free of it.
@@reswobiandreaming3644 I just don't understand what is in a person that could even let them treat their own kid this way. I have a 9 year old daughter, and I couldn't imagine treating her with anything but love, care and respect. I guarantee that is 100000% more beneficial to a child. I wouldn't even treat a dog this way.
Poor baby, the empathy she developed is outstanding. Seeing her cry makes me so sad
She was presenting antisocial behavior, too (she said that she’s “been hurt so much she doesn’t want to be around people”).
Interesting how they helped her to change the trajectory her life was on, amazing! ❤
Her adoptive parents were saints, what a blessing that they got Beth the help she so desperately needed.
They failed their son
What happened
@@originalchildclown for God sakes just watch the video!! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@eliseflick8560 if you watched the video you would know they dont know what happened to him, Karen. The person I replied to seemed to have more info. Care to shed more light on this subject?
There is no such things as saints, or on the flip side, evilness. and let's not forget, this is only a story on public display, where omitted and falsity may become integrated in the communication(s). Don't be nieve and render an entire life of another person or a successful outcome by a mere video for 45 minutes.
My Goodness Beth had to be EXTREMLY bright to able tell a Doctor all the horrible things that happen to her all at 3 years old. The resemblance between Beth and her adoptive mother is uncanny . Beth looks like Julie's real daughter.
Omg RIGHT?! 😅 So glad I wasn't the only one to see that.
she is her real daughter.
@Andi Miller I would doubt it. She was born in the 80s and MK ultra ended in 1973.
As an adopted child, we ARE our parents' (the ones who loved and raised us) "real" children. We aren't fake people. They aren't fake parents. Your comment is ignorant.
@@iheartmelaniemartinez428 I thought exactly that...'biological' makes way more sense and doesn't take away from the very real parental relationships with adopted kids.
It's just scary how devoid of emotion this little girl is in the interview clips
That Neil Feinberg should be in jail along with his assistant. That poor child, he was removed from that home.
Wait was he really removed from the home?
Her demeanor is so grown up. I hope she grew into a well functioning woman. I remember being molested while in a diaper. People do remember childhood trauma no matter how small we were when it happened.
I have memories of being molested from ages 2-3
She's a nurse now and is doing great
Beth is a nurse now and is happily married. She has dedicated herself to helping children who have been diagnosed with RAD. So it definitely sounds like she's a functioning woman.
I am so sorry that happened to you
@@thehighpriestess8431 thank you. I hope I have helped someone in this world that has hurt like me. I hope I've made ppl proud.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the sadistic man holding the little boy down and tormenting him. I don't see how this method could help anyone, especially a disturbed child. I feel differently about Nancy now. Wow!!!
This is horrifying! He’s putting him in such a vulnerable position like one does a dog, but Iwe aren’t dogs! This is effed up! How did people video, watch this, learn from this, research this, and go along with it? Speaking of killing u mfer…if I saw him doing this to my child, he would lose his job at the least.
It might teach him that shouting and overpowering people is the solution to relationship problems 😟
It was horrific to watch!!!
The adults will surely be served the best Karma for what they've done disgused as 'therapy'
Omg, I'm traumatized after watching that Feinberg "therapy" !! Poor kid.
That Neil Feinberg tape was really hard to get through, it's a miracle none of the kids tried to kill him...
I'm a mental health nurse and a foster carer since 2015, I can tell you, the events this lady went through maybe, a snippet of the true horror she went through, my heart goes out to her. Such a sad case all to real that happens all around the world. I'm truly sorry for what and her brother went through.
Watching Neil with that child brought me to sobs. That poor boy. Hearing him scream and cry and be bullied and held down was horrific. Brought back a lot of trauma as well for me.
I hope that boy grew up to be okay.
Same here!
I agree hope this is no longer used
they need discipline. thats the problem with society- no child discipline. no spanking no yelling just "go to your room". they need discipline. they need to know they are not the boss and put in their place
@@realtalkchannel1275 if you think that is discipline then I pity your children
@@msfs19941 if you had children like that and didn't do anything then you'd be afraid to go to sleep because they would be thinking of killing you. They need to be afraid. They need to know who is boss
I was a psych RN for 23 years and worked with these type kids 11years. We did use strict structure and it works but never aggression. At one time we had a punching bag that the kids could hit to supposedly get out their aggression and it didn't work they would become more agitated. It seems to me these people are taking their own anger out on these kids and should NEVER work with kids!
I heard about hug therapy back in the 90's but, it was more about holding the kid when they were totally out of control trying to hurt self or others. It was no more than 30 min or until the anger passed but we didn't use it in the psych hospital I worked in.
Regardless of therapy, dangerous is still dangerous. Impulsive behavior can be controlled, mental health never has a cure. I would never want my child with a nurse that has a history of torturing animals, and sticking pins in people, in an attempt to murder them. I'm sorry. No excuses. Not in these cases. While I feel bad for her situation, I believe those with kids in that hospital, should know her history. It could be a matter of life and death. Never know.
@@SacredWaves she did that as a young child!!! So because of that you still wouldn't trust her even though she has no history of violence as an adult and is a contributing member of society helping babies in the NICU?!
@@carrieallen2047 I think they still do hug therapy for kids with autism etc
I was a victim of Connell Watkins, mentioned in this video. We didn’t think we were evil, monsters, etc. THEY screamed these awful things at us for hours and hours while up to 4 adults laid on us, restrained in sheets. It was abusive. They killed Candace newmaker a year after I left. Look it up. Connell Changed her name and went into hiding, but she is still practicing from what I hear
When my children were young I was told to let the baby cry it out. I never did that. It felt wrong. I’m glad I ignored my mother in law.
How is no one mentioning the horrific Neil Feinberg tape? How could that woman just sit there? It makes my stomach just churn.
Shannon: it makes you wanna beat the crap out of her, huh? Does me, even though, “vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.” God bless you Shannon.
A note on the little boy shown as an example of "therapy"..
I watch a lot of crime documentaries and have developed an emotional shield to most of the stuff I hear, but the "therapy" the lille boy was subjected to, having to scream and yell, being completely subdued, controlled and straight up bullied was too much even for me. I normally play games and listen to this kind of stuff like podcasts, but I couldn't tear my eyes away from this lille person being broken and psychologically tortured. Found myself in tears. He is so horribly scared, scarred and broken. He is terrified for his life. *How could people do this to others?*
i also watch many crime documentaries etc. but its probably the first time i skipped parts of a documentary. the more they were yelling the more stressed i felt
This is so terrible! I can’t believe any adult would do this to a child. Children look to adults for protection. This does the opposite. Making a child curse like that. He scared that poor boy to death. I cried watching this. God bless that boy. I pray he was able to heal from this. What mother could do this to a child they supposedly love?
Same here
Chaia.... I don't know why or how this is supposed to be justified either, but I do know that it only shuts people down for the rest of your life and be afraid of everyone and have a complex for like ever, and not be able to really trust most people again, including yourself💔 l agree with you, and it makes me really sad, angry, and disgusted, too.😭😤😥🥺💔 But faith in Jesus Christ has restored and made brand new the lives of so many I know, including my own, and I hope and pray daily that His pure love and truth will bless all of his precious children and save them. Richest blessings to you and everyone! ❣️💕💓🌈💙🌈💙🌈💓💕❣️
People hurting other people to gain and get that feeling of power, control, superiority. People like that abusive doctor do it for money, payment or salary. Again, money can also be a form of power. Bossy behaviors.
Some people are just born that way. They seek power and control to subdue other people or their own child. Kinda like saying ""You are my slave. Obey me.""
Wow! I had heard of this little girl but never knew how the story ended. She is extremely well spoken and heartfelt. Her story is so inspiring! Kudos to her adoptive parents. They deserve a medal!
Her second adoptive ones after the family placed her in treatment
How sad she remembers everything is killing her in the inside that she feels that she needs to hurt people 😢
Oh, you just reminded with such a statement, that the two scariest historical figures were Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, as they were beaten so badly in their childhood time by their respective fathers. And later they killed tens of millions of innocent lives.
Sorry for bringing this up!
I wonder if they've ever asked her what killing and dying to her means and how did she come across those concepts.
Getting to hear Beth's interview, hearing what she's doing now was so comforting and heartwarming.
I have RAD. It took 7 years to come back. As a child, you die inside. You feel crazy, you want to do crazy things out of spite, and out of amusement. Between lock downs, hospitals and group homes, then living independently, it took 7 years to recover. All together, I suffered 16 years. I started showing signs of RAD around five years old… it’s not a joke. What’s crazy is I used to be into the story of Beth. I saw a short video of her on Facebook back in 2015. Now that I’ve gotten to the point where I can look into other people and hear their stories, I needed to find a video about her. And aim so glad this channel has a video on her. Strangely, I want to hear these stories, it’s reassuring to remind myself that I’m not or wasn’t evil. I think, if you struggle with any PTSD, mental illnesses, if you choose good, choose light, you have a power, and healing will help you manifest this power. You’re bound to be leader, a healer, only the wisest can be a true healer.
“it's reassuring to remind
myself that I'm not or wasn't evil” that’s so true
What a strong story and you are amazing for working so hard to be where you are at today. Your words are so true and powerful, you are not evil and never was ❤
I'm really glad to see a comment from someone with RAD. I think I have it (or "had" it as a child since it's typically only considered something children can have) and as someone with DID who's experienced this kind of repeated trauma I was feeling alienated by how people react to Beth's case (with shock, mainly) but I kept scrolling because I thought maybe I'd find someone else who had that kind of trauma-induced rage as a child. I was told I was evil and there are parts within me that believe they are evil and inhuman in the literal sense because of that. I think I watched Child of Rage for the first time when I was 12 or so (2012ish), and every so often I revisit it because maybe something useful will click that I didn't notice before. I think I manage anger well as an adult, it's the inability to maintain social or familial relationships that bothers me, I can't reach out to people, I can't call, I just want them away from me. It is definitely validating to be able to look at someone else externally (Beth) and go okay, no matter how her trauma is manifesting, she is a child - because I can kind of take that idea and apply it to myself. I think it's amazing that you were able to heal from what you went through and I wish you the absolute best.
@@partygoindumb We have DID too! Almost all DID systems have a disorganized attachment style as our baseline. It's hard out there, AND we are all SO resilient. Sending y'all love and light
I'm so glad you're able to talk openly about your struggles. I appreciate you for sharing. Your experience, strength, and hope. 🫂❤️🩹🫂❤️🩹🫂❤️🩹🫂❤️🩹
Thank you for tackling this real subject. I agree that there are a lot of hurt people in our society. Abusers who have left their victims with life long struggles . “Hurt people hurt people.” We have so much to learn.
Hurt people hurt people (no comma!) How sad and true.
Most hurt people have no will to hurt people bc they know the impact of hurt. Hurt people tend to hurt themselves not others
This poor child. Im so glad that she was able to heal from her trauma and even go on to help others.
I’m so proud of where she is now. I could have easily turned out like her. I have memories as early as 1.
I was put under hypnosis to see if I was remembering my abusers house layout. I told my therapist while I was awake and when she put me back there… all of my descriptions were spot on.
I even remembered the color of the carpet, furniture and where everything was placed. The last time I was in his home I was 3.
When Beth started crying it broke my heart. A sign of healing.
The smile shortly before that got me too.
Me too crying as she knows empathy
58:03 That's the most disturbing thing I have ever seen in my life. What Neil Feinberg is saying doesn't even make sense to me and I am an adult. What is that kid supposed to think, feel or understand? I am not even going into the restraining, shouting, taunting, mocking etc...
What a horrid man bullying g and torturo g that child. Poor kid. Hideous and.evil.
The fact that a parent would even feel okay allowing someone to do that to their child 😳makes me sick
How in the world is being so aggressive to a child supposed to drive the child’s rage away?
The kids at his mercy.. he's using his physical strength to intimidate and coerce the child to say whatever he wants him to.
It's sickening when an adult has to use bullying and physical intimidation to overpower a small child because the adult lacks the intelligence to use brains instead of brawn.
I'm almost certain that if it weren't for her foster parents and the support she had, she would've ended up a serial killer.
Did you watch the entire video?
@@hendrikdebruin4012 Yeah.
Una hermosa serial killer claro que los asesinos seriales la mayoría son hombres pero se ha visto algunos casos como la wuornos asesina serial
Me alegro mucho por ti Beth y por john también, uds eran unos niños bellos y ahora eres una chica joven muy guapa imagino que john debe ser muy guapo, que DS los bendiga a ambos y también a sus padres adoptivos para que siempre sean una familia feliz
@@TanjiroKamadoDSC Then you would have seen how dysfunctional the mother ended up - actually condoning and perhaps using harmful therapy practices on children. I doubt that she received the correct support - how she ended up was just due to her resilience and introspective therapy if you ask me.
This is the first time I've heard EMDR mentioned in any kind of RUclips video! I have C-PTSD and BPD (among other things but those are the big trauma ones) and it, alongside medicating my other issues, has made me so much more stable than I was. I no longer have a favourite person, and I didn't think that would be as much of a relief as it was
This woman, and her foster parents, are a living example of how to break the chains of generational trauma and heal. ♥️ Thank you for sharing this.
You didn't finish the video.....
@@inheritmyshoes9559 It looks like a lot of these comments are by people who didn't bother watching it to the end and commented anyway..SMH
The 142 people that upvoted someone inadvertently praising child abusers because they couldn't be bothered to watch the video ( which was amazingly edited btw) are just as bad as the commenter.
I'm usually desensitized to things like this, but those quotes from Nancy about making the kids sit for hours and that tape of the boy. I will never forget it and I thank God my daughter is safe, well and happy. I pray for all of the troubled children and curse the adults that hurt them
I understand that what Beth did was wrong. But I think many other people can agree with me that she was not a bad person at heart. Seeing the videos of her feeding the animals and smiling and looking proud of herself warms my heart. I'm so glad that she was able to get the help that she's so desperately needed.
Love helps her to be a human again.
So nice to see a follow up on Beth. Suffered unspeakable horrors and was such a beautiful child. I always wondered how her life unfolded. Her parents and counselors are to be applauded too. She is accomplishing so much, makes me cry but feel good.
I wonder what her brother remembers of all this, how he has - IF he has - managed to deal with this and move on, whether and what kind of relationships he has with his immediate family. Poor Jonathan, he was a victim of every single member of his blood family.
considering this is all over the internet, sadly he probably has no choice but to remember it. i hope he’s doing well also. i’m very glad that beth got the treatment she needed, but you always hear about beth and not jonathan, it’s sad
I wonder if that family sent him to foster care as well.
@@annabrahamson4320 I wouldn’t imagine so. Since it’s never been said he has rage or was trying to hurt anyone.
Jonathan is happy and married. He's an accountant.
@@amandajayne2619 I'm very glad to hear that, it's truly a relief to know that what had to be a traumatic childhood didn't result in a lifetime spent with every roof being one he lived under alone. I mean that both literally and figuratively. The easier path might have been to keep people at a distance, but I infer from your comment that he's been brave and good and done the work needed to be able to give and accept love. Yay!!!
I really want to ask you how you know, but that would be poor etiquette along with none of my business. So I won't ask. Not even in a passive aggressive, sidelong kind of way. Nope. Not. Asking.
In the first interview, Beth seems like a lost cause, but her response at 31:57 after just years of intense rehabilitation was shockingly emotionally aware...it's crazy how giving basic human necessities to victimized, child-aged offenders can help heal and aid in their emotional (re)development.
Brilliant episode on such an horrendous story. I've seen the interview with Beth previously, but your sensitive handling of this poor child is commendable, as is your hatred for the perpetrators.
Incredible transformation! One lesson that jumps out is that we can never know what one has lived through from their appearence.
Exactly. And even the seemingly smallest experiences shape our neural pathways. No two people can possibly have the same ways of processing things, even if they have the exact same major trauma that happened the exact same way in every detail. It is ALL of our experiences that shape how we react to things, but we can also learn tools to help us RESPOND how we would want to, rather than react automatically based on our defense mechanisms we've gathered along the way.
It’s very inspiring to see that a child with the a very sick and twisted mind was able to become a productive healthy adult that chose a profession thst actually gives back! She had a very bad start in life but she was extremely fortunate to have such supportive parents that didn’t give up on her and got her the help she needed. This is the kind of therapy that requires extensive hands on treatment. Not easy. I am curious about what happened to her other siblings.
You might like to know that outcomes for children are a lot better than adults in general. As long as they get the help they need they are resilient and can recover. That's true for both criminality and mental health.
I'm confused. Didn't she grow up to be an abuser herself under the guise of helping other kids?
@@jbiehl8478 um no
It's not terribly surprising. Kids don't really develop a conscience this early. (Albeit *many* develop sentimentality, which is a fake conscience and can actually impede the development of a real one if no one recognizes the difference.) You just don't see the full scope of what that can mean, most of the time, because they don't all act it out. It's just that they don't care about hurting people because they haven't had that trained into them yet. React appropriately to it, and most tend to grow out of it.
when i saw/heard beth crying as she talked about what happened to her in the old interview it actually was one of the most upsetting things i think ive ever heard. she was such an innocent little baby when things were done to her, im so happy she was able to get help
It was hard to watch BUT good to see her cry.....actual emotions
She obviously got a LOT of help cause she sounds well versed in her issues and very well spoken. Good to hear it 💚
Like Ted Bundy?
Something very traumatic happened to me at the age of 2 or 3 and the memories I have now are so vivid that I still remember the outfit I wore .. the type of car my family had and the layout of the duplex it happened in…. I thought I was crazy at first but a family member confirmed that it happened exactly the way I described it to her… you definitely remember things that happened when you are extremely young, especially the bad things that no baby should go through… I now have a 3 year old daughter myself and sometimes I look at her at her age and cry inside..how can you do that to a baby … especially your own.. the love I feel for my kids keeps me going.. it keeps those memories away..
I pray that you can somehow get way past this and lay it at Jesus feet. Praying for you.
I think if a young child is in extream circumstances, or experiences huge emotion then their brain reacts differently to usual & does remember things. I find it foolish & insulting for psychologists to say it's impossible. I completely belive you remember your traumatic experience & I am sorry to hear you went through that & have to endure the memories.
Thank you all so much ❤️🙏🏿
People like to say “oh a baby won’t remember” yes we do! We remember.
Lots of love to you and your family! ❤
@@krysmiss8025 thank u so much ! And much love and healing to you as well ❤️❤️
Omg Neil definitely made the rage worse. If one of the kids came back and killed him it wouldn't surprise me or make me feel bad.
It was heartbreaking watching that poor boy go through that "therapy". I hope he got some actual help eventually.
I worked at an orphanage in Albania shortly after the Kosovo war. Many of those kids probably end up with RAD, and unfortunately since most don't get adopted they also never get help.
I was clenching my teeth& fists watching that. So grateful I never had to go through that in therapy.
@@momoho11
*How are your gums doing?*
Never brush your teeth when angry XD
Sorry trying to lighten the mood
@@azmanabdula oh yeah, great subject to be casual on. Childhood trauma, such a fairy light subject. Like feather, fluffy cloud& rainbows.
@@momoho11 some of us have experienced what these kids went through as well, and laughter and lightening the mood is a way of coping.
Such an accomplished and educated woman Beth evolved into. Her story should encourage anyone that no matter the situation, anyone can overcome, reasonably. I will add that, it seems as though her adoptive parents had their very best intentions at heart and desired to help this little girl overcome.
Luckily Beth was still young enough to work with, even still the work she & the doctors & parents put in was extensive!
Her adoptive parents however never gave up on her no matter what she said or did! That takes a lot of patience & courage not to mention genuine unconditional love.
When he asks Beth if people are scared of her and she says yes my brother John her eyes light up like she's loving it.. scary...
Exactly
She’s not evil, just severely traumatized…Poor kid. I’ve watched a lot of documentaries about her and read things. I know she’s older and has gotten better…But man it’s just sad. I don’t excuse the things she did to other people but she was literally a child. It’s awful the things that were done to her and her brother.
I remember when I was 3. My father had started beating my mom by that point. I remember a lot of those instances from early childhood. I also remember when I was 3, she took me to some class for parents and children and I slapped another kid just because I wanted to and because it's what I saw what my dad do. I denied it and called the other kid a liar and everyone believed me. Very manipulative for 3 years old. I'm just glad that my mother was a great enough mother so I didn't develop into a psychopath.
Serial killers it seems often have attachment disorder in the early childhood. I think society is lucky more of us subjected to poor decisions by adults in crucial developmental periods in our lives at that time didn't go completely rogue.
I own my reality and wish to shed any residual bitterness but it's been a long lifetime road to ride. I found the control and need for such fundamental for her survival but not possible in my situation thus trust issues are monumental in my life. Seems part of the recovery problem is the pre verbal period when damage occurs. To rework that scar some intense hypnotherapy with that resulting in 'it's like that medicine tasted so foul I declared myself done'.
Glad to hear this story has a happy and productive ending. I'm better, but also nearing 70. The damage is so infused quite deep in intricate personality traits I'm doubtful to shed.
That or brain trauma, I have heard that some have had brain damage as young children. Some seem to have fairly normal childhoods too so I don't think it's always an explanation. But Beths story definitely shows with help and therapy that even a very disturbed child doesn't have to become a psychopath or serial killer as adults.
I assume what you said here is potentially one of several causes of "psychopathic problems" in any societies(?)
It's scary to see this little girl just openly talk about such awful things like she's talking about her day at school. I really do hope she's grown up well. It's amazing that her adoptive parents still managed to get her the help she needed.
What this man is doing with this little boy is absolutely disturbing and I couldn't finish it. It made me feel physically sick to my stomach. 😡
You did really good on this documentary… I remember watching this story a few years back, but the investigating and how you put this video together was really well done. thank you
When she said her birth father “touched my vaginas” till it bled, I literally stopped breathing. How can a person ever be normal after that? This is just too much 😢😢😢😢
No wonder she hated and wanted to kill everyone, she had zero trust that there where any good people out there and who wouldn't just hurt her.
It's called going from the victim to survivor, to the thriver. Radical Acceptance. Bad things happen to good people.
Not “literally”
@@iknowexactlywhoyouare8701 Op didn't say they literally stopped breathing forever. A person can literally stop breathing and resume breathing.
I am an adoptive parent who raised a RAD child. It's traumatic to be the parent too. This is so much harder than you can imagine. My story turned out well. Took years of the right treatment but no counselor can believe how well my adopted son turned out.
As an adopted child, thank you for loving your son. As one without RAD, I admire you for the extra love and patience you gave to him and that you never saw him as "returnable". You are beautiful.
Can I ask what RAD means? Thanks
@@GlockRevolver radical attachment disorder
@@conniethingstad1070 Thanks
@@GlockRevolver Reactive Attachment Disorder
That Feinberg thing is disturbing. I could never trust my child with this. It's like he's TRYING to turn this child into a murderer. Very abusive, and mom just sits there. Is he even a doctor?
Exactly. That Neil guy is only building the courage that kid needed. A permission to rage. He didnt save that kid from anger, he just showed him how to rage
Personally I don't see anything wrong with it. Children can benefit from military style discipline, it teaches them respect. It sure kept me out of further trouble.
@@uraniumcranium2613 are you mentally ok? What you saw in this Video in never ok what's wrong with You?
I know some young adults need that therapy! Especially when he said take responsibility for actions!
@@uraniumcranium2613 I bet you don’t have kids yet?
Omg seeing that man yell at that little boy makes me cry!!!! What is wrong with these adults.
This is so triggering! These people are creating murderers. Very disturbing.
Never young enough to forget. Even in infancy if there's stress or trauma the brain may not remember but there's still an extent of a subconscious that may cause a display in certain types of behavior. I remember being 2 and 3 yrs old but when I was born I didn't come home for months due to severe lung issues. My parents practically lived at the hospital. My mom told me any time she'd try to leave even to use the bathroom that my tiny little infant hands would grip on to her shirt and it was very difficult for her, my dad, Drs and nurses to break my grip. I always had a sever irrational fear of my mother or father leaving me. If they were a minute late picking me up from school I'd go into a panic and I'd be in tears trembling. There's no logical reason in this world that they'd ever leave me or displayed any type of behavior to make me think otherwise. My Dad couldn't leave the house to move the car outta the driveway so my mom could get out without me having to go with him in the car. I was always safe and secure with them in reality but in my fragile child mind I wasn't. Where in the world would that stem from? I was told by my parents and more than one professional over time and I truly believe it !
This is so sad for you.
Take care of yourself and stay safe. 🌹
@@davinastanton3865 ❤️
My cousin took a babysitting job for a baby about twelve months old that the parents adopted from a Russian orphanage and had to tell the parents that they would have to find another babysitter because he had severe issues with being sat down it was just to much the little guy would cry if she set him down long enough to go to the bathroom! I met him he would let me hold him he just wouldn't let me put him down.
@@DCrane925
X 💗🕊💗
@@therealz360z7 how heartbreaking
I'm horrified to see so many people who don't believe Beth could get better. What's the point in any therapy if you don't believe someone can get better through intensive treatment? I'm a mental health nurse for children. Some of them have awful trauma in their lives, you don't think they can be helped to become fully functioning, pro-social members of society? Jeez. What a sad world
The fact that anyone has memories under 3 years old shows how traumatizing it was
I'm a 59 year old woman and I was 7 or 8 years old when I said to my mother, "Remember that time when uncle Richard and uncle Billy (her brothers) were about to jump on my my dad in the market and he was holding me, smoking a cigarette and when they ran up to hit him, I got burned by the cigarette under my right eye?" My mother was like Lisa Gail, you were a baby about a year and half old, how do you remember that? 🤷🏾♀️ She said when I got burned that stopped my uncles from attacking my dad. I still have the burn mark under my eye, but it's not as defined. So, there are definitely instances that we can recall that happened to us when we were babies. What's ironic is that I can forget what I just went into the kitchen for, smh! 😁✌🏾❤️
I'm concerned that even though they knew she was hurting her brother, they still left her alone with him. There were too many incidents that could have been prevented.
Same thoughts!😔
I like that phrase “if you’re breathing there’s hope”
I remember watching this when it was just the childhood interviews. It disturbed me for decades having seen that broken little soul. I'm so glad I got to see this beautiful woman now, such a heartbreaking and inspiring story of the human spirit
I knew about the Candace Newmaker case from a different RUclips video, but I’ve never heard anyone else talk about this specific case so when I heard Candace’s name my stomach dropped
I find it disturbing when they use child actors to reenact these horrific scenes.. because you wonder what it does to their little psyches..
What do you mean??? This isn't fake.
That poor little girl…. That interview was heartbreaking… 😢 I’m so glad she managed to turn her life around…
I hope shes doing good but I cant help but see that crazy wild eyed look in her eyes. Idk maybe it's just because she has big eyes idk.
@@nikkib473 I see a wild eyed innocence & joy, funny how people interpret things differently.
I thought she had a rather dull look to her eyes, like she wasn't there at all.
@@NotAnotherKuromi innocence and joy? Did you pay any attention to this video?
Beth's adoptive mother looks like her real mother. They both look related.
I thought the same. I was confused
Me to.....it's uncanny how they favor one another.
What's fascinating about Beth's story. Is that a documentary was made about her so we could see how she spoke, how she thought etc. And to see that without therapy, and support when young....she probably would have become a killer. I'm so happy that she got help and is able to give back. I hope she continues on a beautiful journey. I pray John got help too. I'm so curious what happened to him....
I am so happy to hear that Beth is now helping others to break the cycle so that their children don’t have endure what she had to endure; as well as educating others about RAD. Like Beth, EMDR and therapy really helped me to finally heal from all of the trauma I experienced as a young child.
Jesus heals only forever 🕊💖
Did you watch the whole thing???
@@Datajustice I'm pretty sure she didn't
@@speakofhisgrace Lmao
@@Datajustice watched the whole thing. I also looked up additional information about where she is now. What OP said is true. She was a child with reactive attachment disorder, and early treatment helped her to recover. She is an RN now and works with children with severe trauma. She also has written about her story.
I read somewhere that kissing a newborns head is good for their brain and development…when I had my daughter I was constantly kissing her on her head.. especially while breastfeeding…at times I remember kissing her on her head while she slept and she would smile(with her eyes closed)🤗.. please love your children!🙏
I love to kiss my babies on the head. You now reminded me to kiss my 20 month old on her little head as she sleeps next to me. Not that I need a reason or reminder
Their heads are so soft, how could you not want to kiss them all over! My little preemie loves kisses all over ❤️ kisses and kangaroo care has been shown to help preemies specifically gain weight and grow in development more quickly.
@@lunaballuna It took me a moment to realise what "Preemie" meant, was thinking "such a strange pet name, what does it mean?!".
@@joenathan4628 hahaha I mean, babies kind of are like pets. The difference is I can put my dogs in a crate, but I can't crate my baby lol
@@lunaballuna Oh no, I meant "pet name" as in to describe a term of endearment, i.e. darling, honey, etc.
when i was younger my dad used the holding therapy thing and from personal experience it just makes you worse
That is terrifying !
Well was he a trained professional? Because if he wasn't, that's the problem
All my chilhood trauma is stored like video clips in my memory.
Yea me too. I pretend I have dementia.
@@Shared-Experiences ? do you mean amnesia? not remembering.
I've worked with about a dozen kids with RAD. It is an extremely difficult disorder to deal with. That doesn't mean you have to be abusive or radical when you are dealing with it. The only thing you should be radical with IS love. The way you help these kids is by establishing trust. You establish trust by following through, whether that's with something you said you would do for them, or with consequences for their behavior. They need stability and security. That's how they heal. They have never known what healthy relationships look like. They have never known what living in a safe place is like. So show them. It takes a long time and a ton of effort but they are human beings who have most of their lives ahead of them.
Exactly 💯💯
This is false, and I say that as someone with multiple degrees in psychology, but anyone could vouch for this as Beth, herself, stated that love and trust alone cannot heal a child with RAD. That is 100% BS you spouted, up there.
@@iheartmelaniemartinez428 lol. Yes, all of my professional experience is entirely BS. It's TOTALLY BS that you "don't have to be abusive or radical when dealing with" a childhood disorder. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? Your "multple" degrees must not be very well earned. Experience always trumps education, sorry.
@@iheartmelaniemartinez428 "Encouraging the child's development by being nurturing, responsive and caring. Providing consistent caregivers to encourage a stable attachment for the child. Providing a positive, stimulating and interactive environment for the child." - Mayo clinic
@@iheartmelaniemartinez428 What do you think is needed to help children with RAD significantly improve?
I am a foster parent and I had a girl once that told me stories about her mom being passed out on the couch and people coming over and scaring her. She was under 2 years old when they took her away from her mom so I fully believe kids remember way more the we know, especially when it comes to trauma. Sad.
I'm so happy for you!! The fact that you received help let's others know there is hope for others. May God continue to bless you.
I am so happy to hear that Beth was able to recover from her trauma. She is a beautiful young woman
My son inlaw was diagnosed with RAD as a child. Let's just say his story has the worst possible ending. She is a real miracle and I'm glad she is healthy now.
May I ask?
@@mariamalzahem7512 he ended his life 3 years ago in front of his grandmother who raised him.
@@SolSkinn ☹ That's soul-crushing.
So sorry to hear that! ❤
May I ask how old he was when he ended his own life? & if he had any children?
I’ve seen Beth, and John featured in many true crime pieces, usually solely for the shock value of Beth’s candid admissions, but you’ve given her the full treatment. Thank you for this compassionate, more complete rendition of events. I believe that nature is most responsible for our behavior- but nurture can in no way be disregarded. Thank God Beth, and John made their way to a good, decent home. So many adopted/foster children are not so lucky. I don’t envy you your job, and I hope you take plenty of breaks- but it is so important that someone relays these woes for the world to see. God bless you. 🙏
Be kind each other Gob bless you too
I believe nurture wins but nature lays the groundwork;)
The genetic markers are usually there for a lot of personality disorders but trauma tends to bring the behaviours and disordered thinking out. I have BPD/EUPD and APD and I can definitely link various traumas to certain behaviours I struggle with
Having had children with RAD, I do want to tell you that getting help for them is very very difficult. The mental health system seems stacked against them. Now I'm in no way condoning the therapy type that I saw in this video, but I do know that you do need to assert control over these children because they cannot control themselves. It's a difficult situation for everyone involved.
Im glad this child got the help she needed, it was so nice to see her make strides in everything she did.. Good to see her in adulthood as someone who is thriving
In case you’re wondering, the little girl grew up to become a nurse and she’s doing well from what I read on the internet back in 2014/2015. She even has a blog iirc.
That is great! ☺️
❤️I'm not surprised she became a nurse! Those who have experienced a lot of personal suffering can really only find true happiness by dedicating their lives to helping others. I didn't go through near what the little girl did but my mother never liked me and that caused a lot of issues. Once I gave up being angry and raging about how unfair life was and instead dedicated my life to becoming a hospice nurse and taking care of the elderly and dying, is when I started to heal. I'm a totally different person now for the better. Truly the only thing I've found that allows you to move on from personal suffering is helping other people.
@@WhitneyDahlin i’m so proud of you ❤ for working on your healing journey. i hope you always look back and see how strong you are!
@@WhitneyDahlin I'm sorry.
Research 'Munchausen by Proxy' and you might see the connection.
@@keeptaiwanfree Pathetic. You think she wants to 'look back'?
She’s turned into a brilliant, healthy woman. I hope everyday of her life forward is full of joy and peace. She and her adoptive parents are such an inspiration for healing and never giving up on children.
This is one video I couldn’t finish. Absolutely sad. Just brutal.
You should finish it. This child ended up healing fully and has gone on to do great things and there’s a fantastic interview by Beth as a 35 yr old adult. Don’t cheat yourself of knowing how the story progressed.
The psuedo therapy video was the hardest thing I've watched in a long time.