Dubious Renoir Painting Pits Art Authorities Against Each Other | Fake Or Fortune

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  • Опубликовано: 6 янв 2023
  • Nicky Philipps, a portrait artist renowned for her pictures of the royal family, has asked the Fake or Fortune team to investigate a painting which hangs on the walls of Picton Castle. The work was bought in the 1930s by Nicky's great-grandfather, Sir Laurence Philipps, who believed it to be by celebrated impressionist Pierre-Auguste Renoir. But the painting has been dogged by doubt for half a century, and two art world authorities can't agree whether it's genuine or fake.
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Комментарии • 306

  • @eltonlouiewolf-wilson8345
    @eltonlouiewolf-wilson8345 Год назад +223

    This didn't hurt the painting, it hurt the Wildenstein. Their judgement cannot be trusted. All of the major auction houses should think twice about allowing Wildenstein to be the final arbiter.

  • @faustusmd
    @faustusmd Год назад +116

    In July 2011, Guy Wildenstein was charged by the French authorities with concealing art that had been reported as missing or stolen. The police seized 30 artworks from the vault of the Wildenstein Institute, at least 20 of which, including sculptures by the Italian artist Rembrandt Bugatti, two sketches by Edgar Degas and a pastel by Eugène Delacroix, were claimed to have been originally part of the collection of Joseph Reinach. Daniel Wildenstein had acted as executor of the estate of Reinach's daughter in 1972 and had been charged with responsibility for distributing the collection, which was held at the Wildenstein Institute, among the heirs.[6] Wildenstein was heard by a magistrate in October 2016 and denied all charges.[7] At trial in 2017, Wildenstein was cleared of hiding paintings, the trial judge said that there was a “clear attempt” by Wildenstein and others to hide assets but it was impossible to return a guilty verdict due to shortcomings in the investigation.[8] The prosecutors successfully appealed to the Cour de Cassation, and the case will be rejudged.

  • @josephrapp
    @josephrapp Год назад +47

    A shame that a great painting has been judged as if not by Renoir;politics and snobbery at work here ,methinks.

  • @CallieMasters5000
    @CallieMasters5000 Год назад +49

    Wildenstein often comes out looking like jerks in these cases. They don't want to authenticate anything.

  • @bgram7866
    @bgram7866 Год назад +30

    Wildenstein should be put out of business for this type of power play. Not to mention the damage caused to people who did all the steps required for full attribution, only to be held out of pure contempt and ruthless power. Perhaps a class action lawsuit can be brought to pay for all the damages they have caused the art world and the people who had to put their trust in their narcissistic hands. Shame on you Wildenstein.

  • @JessiePitt
    @JessiePitt Год назад +23

    I think it is time for the authentication of paintings to be done differently. One person should never be the sole decision maker on a painting, and there should always be a group of people in collaboration deciding, based on all the different facts needed, experts, scientists, etc. With no room for ego or old feuds between people and institutions. As an artist myself, i find the whole process so weird anyway. And it is not about the art or the artist, it's just about the money. Sadly money takes away and distracts from the art in the end.

  • @GeorgeGeorgalis
    @GeorgeGeorgalis Год назад +95

    Clearly, the criteria for catalog entry differs between Wildenstein & Company, and Bernheim-Jeune. Given the documentary, and the amazing provenance discovery, this painting is an unsigned sketch, by the hand of Renoir, without doubt! Thank you Picton Castle for sharing your story, and your painting. The sketch conveys an imitate perspective, it captures a candid development, and the creative trajectory of the artist---for us with an authentic passion for fine art to savor!

  • @JohnP538
    @JohnP538 Год назад +63

    Wildenstein was never going to admit that they made a mistake, it would damage their reputation.

  • @Dr10Jeeps
    @Dr10Jeeps Год назад +51

    The Wildenstein Institute has done this before despite a mountain of evidence concerning the authenticity of a painting. Why they are considered to be the final arbiter for major auction houses is beyond me. They appear to be snobbish incompetents.

  • @bessiehadley3497
    @bessiehadley3497 Год назад +48

    It almost sounds like a third House of Art needs to be out there, for a 'best 2 out of 3' option. This is the 2nd true-seemng genuine painting that the Wildenstein has turned down in the shows I've seen, despite overwhelming evidence. If they want perfect documentation, they need to relocate themselves to a perfect world. It was a painful decision for everyone.

  • @algini12
    @algini12 Год назад +176

    This isn't the first time that the Wildenstein has shot down a painting on this show. In either the very first or second episode, they shot a painting down, regardless of the scientific evidence, because the head of the institute's father had just by looking at it decades ago, decided that it wasn't the real thing. The son makes the whole institute look like idiots. And this episode above shows their opinion means more than reality and science. This whole institute needs to be discredited as their catalogs are based on shoddy information and they need to be shunned by the entire art world.😑

  • @booleyLOD1
    @booleyLOD1 Год назад +96

    20+ years ago I sent Christie's London auction house a beautiful winter oil painting by Vlaminck which was purchased at Charles Findley Gallery in Paris and it had the old Wildenstein label on the back. Christie's told us that we had to send them a check for $1750 and the Wildenstein sons would "reauthenticate the Vlaminck painting". The Wildensteins kept the money and removed their father's original label from the back of the painting's original stretcher and sent Christie's a short note that they weren't sure of the authenticity with no reason(s) explaining what it was they were not sure about. The result was that these criminal Wildenstein idiots destroyed our $ 100,000-plus painting which their dead father authenticated for a respected French art gallery.

  • @trentriver
    @trentriver Год назад +102

    All the Wildenstein Institute has done by not accepting this as a genuine Renoir is undermine their own credibility as art connoisseurs. Their reasons are not proof - not even close. It is however proof of their arrogance and pettiness.

  • @cpm9747
    @cpm9747 Год назад +26

    That rejection is absolutely obscene. A gross rejection of the facts.

  • @skiker4560
    @skiker4560 Год назад +59

    I haven’t seen that painting in person but I believe you and I believe the family. I believe there is a saying, “pride cometh before the fall” (or similar) and I think that art institution doesn’t want to back down and it’s a shame for everyone.

  • @margaretdevery6547
    @margaretdevery6547 Год назад +15

    My little heart was pounding, stopping, thrilled, terrified, disgusted at this ego trip some members of the great art institutes are on...every emotion went through me. Nicky, my gosh, you're one brave soul to see this through!

  • @crush3095
    @crush3095 Год назад +40

    MAN that was brutal

  • @kristinemckeown1746

    I felt sick when the verdict was read. My heart goes out to Ms. Phillipps. What a devastating conclusion.

  • @4GH440
    @4GH440 Год назад +12

    What I found most interesting is that fact that the later experts failed to comment on the confirmation of the paints used by Renoir and the canvass and offered no reason why this was discounted. This was just ignored in my opinion which was just criminal. I do know one thing, if you get two experts in a room you will always get a debate on which is black and which is white. :)

  • @patrickhawkins4677
    @patrickhawkins4677 Год назад +15

    What I've learned from this show is that a lot of these so-called experts are just people with strong opinions. These institutes like Wildenstein. It's seems they don't care about provenance or evidence.