Evil nurse Lucy Letby found guilty of murdering seven babies | LBC
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Shelagh Fogarty breaks the news of Lucy Letby's guilty verdict as the evil neonatal nurse is convicted of seven counts of murder and six counts of attempted murder.
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Mangement who ignored the reports in 2015 should face manslaughter charges for the amount of babies killed in letbys care after that year, as their failure to act is what allowed this happen.
@@user-zw3ev4wh5nno they are not, the only person to blame here is letby, the rest just got fooled, remember everyone in the country was fooled by saville, truth is you don't expect someone like her to be killing, you would have done the same if you was in management, she was a angel, no one would have put two and two together and think she was Fred west
@@shazanali692 wrong. At least 4 babies would be alive if the SEVEN Doctors were taken seriously. They put “two and two together” and were made to apologise to her. They warned many people for her not be on the wards. One spoke to her direct line manager Karen Rees early on, who did not believe the consultant, and said they would take responsibility if any more babies died and let her carry on. Rees is very quiet now. Senior managers threatened action against other whistle blowers. Your comment about doing the same thing means nothing when the police on hearing the evidence took TWO days to launch a serious enquiry when the hospital didn’t do anything for months after gaslighting doctors that Lucy L was the victim of bullying. Gross incompetence and negligence.
@@shazanali692THANK YOU the focus should fully be on lucy. I personally dont think people are taking this matter as serious because it's a woman that's committed this crime. Wheres the national outrage we saw when the policeman killed that girl during covid
I do think that the Attorney General will eventually call for corporate manslaughter charges to be considered. The Health Secretary won't get away with this non formal approach to something which was so destructive to society.
@@acetrapthe focus IS on Letby, she got sent down for life. The managers who brush whistleblowers concerns under the carpet, are not going to prison. There is such a thing as corporate manslaughter, you know
The woman should never see the light of day again. Evil beyond evil.
Death, in other times in the Bible Old Testament, has laws for dealing with people like this other religions to.😑
Agreed. Death penalty.
This is the only time I would agree with Saudi Arabia - chop, chop, chop
We prescribed for them therein: A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear and a tooth for a tooth; and for wounds, an equal retaliation. Then, if one forgives it, that will be expiation for him. Those who do not judge according to what Allah has sent down, they are the unjust. Quran.
Define evil.
I work in healthcare. I am not afraid to speak up when I see something is wrong. I once did this in an emergency department when it was clear things were unsafe and actually clinically negligent, I took actions with another colleague to rectify the situation and make the patient safe. The emergency department nurse made a complaint that I had said things were unsafe and that they were offended and felt bullied. I was invited to a meeting to discuss how I might not use such language that might offend. I explained that I will never apologise for calling out unsafe or negligent practices. There is a culture of suppressing descent in healthcare and actually it doesn’t at all surprise me that the doctors were made out to be the villains despite being the heroes.
Yeah I've always been "that person" - you realize that you're either the person prepared to stand against the crowd or you're not, and I don't begrudge the people who aren't.
It can look like those people are being criminally negligent. You can waive the fact that they've signed a contract promising not to ignore safeguarding concerns in their face, but the truth is that most people are mentally incapable of going against a grain of bad practice - they literally cannot perceive the possibility that something extraordinary is occurring, or that a situation that doesn't involve people dying still presents an immediate danger.
As you've clearly identified, when you're raising those issues you can't flip-flop at all. Even the doctors who raised their concerns about Letby were too soft - they should have called the police, but they didn't want to rock the boat exactly as the managers to whom they were reporting the murders didn't want to rock the boat. We can vilify the managers but the truth is that even the doctors raising the concerns chose not to contact the police - it was those "negligent" managers who did it, even if they did it far too late.
When you are raising these concerns, you need to make yourself the source of authority and truth - you need to make ignoring you and bullying you the path of most resistance. You need to make it easier for those managers to see you as the source of authority than "the mass". Ironically, their weak and compliant nature works in your favor when you do this - if you've got the right mentality, you can flip them around and make them do the right thing, but you can't show any weakness. Even if you don't feel it inside, you need to function as though you're absolutely certain.
Just because somebody works in the healthcare industry, doesn’t mean they have a conscience.
Look at the care home attacks
i work in healthcare, i do have a conscience.
I can't believe it innocent looking woman capable of committing horrific crime
@@soundproof8688 how dare you say that
@@geezalee1677 so if it was a foreigner, you would be more suspicious?
My son was born in the Countess at the time Letby was working there. I remember her and I don't know why as I don't remember any other nurses. I can still see her stood smiling by the desk as I picked up my son and wife, her and several other nurses but her face stands out. My heart breaks for her victims. I am so thankful that I can hug my son.
If you’re even telling the truth, her face doesn’t stand out. You only think it does because of this episode. If it hadn’t happened, you wouldn’t remember her. Simple.
Chilling . So glad your family is ok❤
@@louisefoster6143 thank you Louise, this has all been very near the knuckle for us. All three of our boys were born at the Countess, the middle one being when Letby worked there.
You would say that about anybody after the fact though so its meaningless
@@rijksvoorlichtingsdienst4427 ?
As so often, the managers & supervisors did not want to believe the truth because protecting the reputation of their clinic and of themselves was more important to them than the lives of the victims. It is a very similar situation with police protecting their own bad apples, as it was with Wayne Couzens and David Carrick.
A doctor had whistlblew and was shut up by the chief exec. The chief exc will have no choice but to resign. The sad thing is a lot of chief execs in hospitals. Are as much guilty as she is. Because they were told. The chief exec should be put on trial and get as long as she did.
You're both so right..they're monsters as she was...they should also go to prison..
Yes, absolutely..
@@hybridangel3403 the chief executive has already left that particular Trust, but had said he'll cooperate with an inquiry. Big deal. He should never be allowed to hold a position in the NHS again, and should face some sort of negligence of duty charges at least. I'm still rather suspicious about the fact that the Countess of Cheshire no longer provides care for the sickest babies. Is that due to what happened, or the level of care was poor anyway?
How people can be dumb enough to believe that Letby's innocent is completely beyond me.
Over the last 3 years in the UK we have seen just how thick people really are.
Well did you hear the evidence? You would need to be a specialist to even understand the evidence?!
I am not convinced.
exactly, she's been used as a fall girl@@dawnatkinson7704
because there is always more than one side to every story!! the general public are not aware of all the facts - therefore it becomes conjecture! just because the jury found lucy guilty doesn't mean they were right!! she was not found guilty on all counts, btw!!
@normankennith7919 she's guilty she killed babies show some respect and keep quiet and have respect for the poor families who lost babies by this evil women
For it to have gone as far as 7 different medics raising concerns and then an apology made to her.... highlights how processes can become so heavy it blinds common sense and coincidence. Protective safety net hierarchy have unfortunately got suckered in for the damzil in distress who turned out to be pure evil. Disgraceful
Its called the system my friend... not a conspiracy theory
7 murders, 7 attempted murders, 6 cases undecided by jury. There was chaos in that unit. A massacre. Yet, hospital management remained distant, aloof, kings of PR, emperors of gross negligence and mediocrity.
But they are too elite to be punished, so the system will have an inquiry for more PR purposes and they will get off free...
It doesn’t highlight the system at all. It highlights human nature and the desire to not offend. Also, it’s damsel not damzil.
@HumansAreShitFactories what is this trial by youtube now. Apologies i didn't write "Damzil" correctly for you. You're picking out an autospelling error in an attempt to try and pick a hole. Jigsaws are better.
There is a non statutory enquiry now to follow up on the system and processes. I hope this will not take as long since evidence collection is already there. 7 doctors ignored, made to make apology in a signed letter and concerns apparently brushed under carpet. I will leave this here as my last note without a reply. Thanks for picking up my autospelling error though. Glasshouses
Hospital management need to be put on trial for negligence. It’s similar to when someone turns a blind eye to an abusive partner causing a child to suffer.
Any conviction on the management that failed to act?
There ought to be.
Are you seeking to deflect?
Or the police who took 3 years to finally arrest. Or the court which took 3 years to carry out a trial?
Don't hold your breath.
They drop ( usually males) like hot bricks just for allegations wwll known actors and musicians but a nurse with access to babies they leave to carry on killing them!! Then tell senior staff not to keep reporting their suspicions and apologise?? These people should also face dismissal at the very least..
You're absolutely right.
But of course, the delicate little angel could never do anything wrong so she needed an apology immediately.
IT'S DISGRACEFUL.
Women in general receive the benefit of a doubt and much more besides when it comes to legal proceedings where nothing but overwhelming evidence that cannot be simply swept under the carpet is enough to convict on - and even then they still get lighter sentences for the same crimes committed as men, very much lighter if they have children.
If feminists campaigned to make equality in the legal system as comprehensive as they have for employment opportunities then we would see far more women in prisons and for significantly longer than we do currently.
Of course that is never, ever going to be a focus for them, because it goes against their narrative that women are perpetual victims with men as the only monsters out there.
The culture and structure of the NHS is an obstacle to public health. Let that sink in. The former Executive management needs to be hauled in.
Whistleblowers must be listened to and protected.
Letby was enabled in her crimes by managers within the system that dismissed concerns raised by consultants. They too should end up in the dock for abetting a crime/crimes.
Yes and i wonder how deep this goes.
You're accusing them of complicity in the worst imaginable crime? They were negligent but can't be held as being accomplices
@@bwright227 Obviously it should all come out in the wash, however, my current understanding is that managers were made aware of her by consultants and she wasn't investigated when managers had it within their gift to suspend her.
The problem is many people show such deference to the NHS, they do not want to question it’s conduct.
Proper vetting for any role that cares for dependents of any age or circumstance can include psychological evaluation.
Broken system 🇬🇧
Whistleblowers ignored.
Ignored by managers.
Parents, PROTECT your children.
That hospital trust needs to be sued so that everything changes about their management
They only investigated between the years 2015/2016. She did this within a year! Police will now go back and investigate, therefore maybe more victims 😢
This is the tip of the iceberg
Police should investigate every bit of her hospital life everywhere. But they will not because it will cost too much money. Becides the UK has hundreds of BILLIONS of pounds of serious fraud that is not being investigated because we don't have the skill-set of professionals to investigate such. Just stick to shoplifters and minor road traffic. Easy life. Go home and have your 'tea'.
She worked elsewhere too and there were deaths there also
American here, so I don't have a right to suggest what should or shouldn't happen, but I hope that long hard looks are had, information gathered, and lessons learned and shared world wide. I hope we can get to a point where we can identify the warning signs and prevent anything like this from happening again.
Big internet-hugs to whomever needs it. This is a tough one.
In the UK. All people working in trusts are pushed back when allagations are put forward. The trust I work in has been in the news a few times.
@@hybridangel3403 hmmm. that makes it sound like a systemic problem. Certainly not unheard of here state-side, either. I hope it's easier than that to fix, but...
I hope it gets fixed and never happens again.
"Lessons learnt" is the mantra they all use, but carry on as before. This is why we are the most corrupt country. This is why the saying "we like underdogs" is so well liked. It really means, "We love criminals; poor criminals."
Sorry but this also stems down to the management who were in charge of Lucy’s employment and failed to act immediately. They are equally liable and complicit in the case.
7 consultant paediatricians wanted to have a meeting and call the police but the managers of the hospital refused. So many people knew and tried (years before) but the managers were protecting her and even made the doctors apologies to her for suggesting such a thing. The BBC panorama documentary was painful to watch 😢
Why some people seek to deflect like this is fascinating and revealing.
This NHS trust has many flaws. They are 100% complicit. Somehow this case is not the full story. Others need to be blamed too. Something is not adding up here. Seems like the police, prosecution, lawyers, judge, jury went for only one person instead of the structural system of the trust that have to face the law aswell and brought to justice as they failed many parents in this tragic case. Thing about media is they speculate and make their own conclusions without seeing the real facts. They are bias and also want to portray their views upon the publics’ views. We shouldn’t draw to conclusions solely on the basis of what the media shows and tells us frankly. We need to see the bigger picture and have our own judgements instead of being spoon-fed by the MSM all the time.
Strange how her skin colour or religion isn’t mentioned as a prefix when mentioning her 🤔
100% everyone would be saying “Pakistani nurse” “Nigerian nurse” or “Muslim doctor/nurse”
If she wasn’t blonde & English
I heard a Nurse colleague who was interviewed say when the alarms went off, she and others wonder if Lucy was there. The obvious question here is why did this Nurse or her colleagues not report this to the police earlier. Surely there is code of ethics that nurses have to comply with in the event that they feel something has gone wrong, or in thus case horribly wrong.😮
Worse than that. Colleagues reported their suspicions of her killing babies to the hospital bosses and the police, she reported them for harassment. Not only did the hospital management not act on the information nor looked into her whereabouts, they made the colleagues write her an apology for their accusations and silenced them.
That isn't entirely fair. There were a number of internal and external reviews. You're all talking with the benefit of hindsight.
In general, how did nb notice anything? And those that did why didnt they go to the cops?
@@oiooi6460
There is a article from BBC that talks about this. It reads like a horror story from the point of view of the staff at the hospital. The amount of warnings, internal investigations, requests she be investigated and/or removed from her duties is astonishing. All ignored by the hospital management.
They completely avoided doing the right thing at multiple points, potentially having a serial killer on the loose, essentially allowing more children to be killed or attempted killed by refusing a proper investigation and seemingly trying to create a narrative that Letby couldn't possibly be responsible.
I'm not looking forward to the promise from them that "lessons will be learnt" with no one that was in charge seeing any form of consequences. It's always that way.This should be , but probably will not be, the next step of this tragic case. If this could have been stopped much sooner, then there should be more people than the baby murdering lady facing charges
Well , because she's a Woman, it would be different if she was a Man.
We need a law that states all criminals MUST attend court every single day and be there at sentencing.
Everyone is pointing the finger and saying something should have been done sooner. Easy to say but very hard to do. This case was based on circumstantial evidence. It took a huge police effort to bring it to trial even with the amount of 'evidence' they had. Can you imagine how hard it would have been to have form any conclusions a couple of years sooner with even less evidence? I think it's time to move on. Stop trying to blame anyone but the nurse.
The sad thing is there were so many opportunities to stop her. It's mad.
Management and those that refused to take action when red flags were raised multiple times deserve to be fired and shamed. No excuses whatsoever
Too disturbing to contemplate. The victims, the parents, the families, the doctors the nurses all the auxiliary staff, the jury, the police, the lawyers none of those people will not carry this trauma.
She should be forced to turn up to her sentencing. NHS managers should be done for corporate manslaughter for their incompetence.
My experience, which I will admit is somewhat limited, of corporate manslaughter guilty verdicts is that the organisation ,in this case the health authority, is given a hefty fine and no individual is held to account. Any individual that the organisation, not the courts,believes to be responsible is given early retirement on full pension with a golden handshake.
She’s obviously a deeply sick individual, but if we don’t try and understand why it happened and just focus instead on hating her, it will happen again in the future.
What did all the babies have in common ?
Truth
It will anyway, wake up
@@nathanfurnival8724 nothing really - as far as I’m aware anyway 🤷♂️ the police have said themselves, no motive has been established.
@@ACameronUKthey were all defenceless babies.
My brother lives within the East Kent trust that is in special measures: I can confirm that the PALS office there is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
It's not the same scenario but relatives voices are very ignored here in Ireland. I was actually barred for a week from the nursing home my mother was in for complaining about abuse to the lady she shared the room with. I felt gaslit. So I recored the abuse and ended up being taken by the health board to court for a data breach. No judge or barrister or police officer cared to ask me what was concerning me that I would feel so compelled to find my own evidence. I was led to feel over dramatic and hypervigilent and as a result was always watched by the nursing manager when I was with my mother. I went daily to her because of what I witnessed. There were signs around for advocates etc but I felt like they were all supporting eachother.
So it's the church cover up all over again
How come she had a choice to be absent for verdicts?
Should be literally dragged in for final eentencing kicking and screaming
I don't think there is a law that forces offenders to be present for the verdict.
@@chriswilkinson7636The Prime minister says he's working on changing the law.
Blair killed thousands of children and the Queen knighted him
The elites cant commit crime
Within every large organisation there should be a contact for whistleblowers with a mandatory logging of the contact details and a follow up!
Other decent countries with large organisations have had such whistleblowing procedures in place for years. The problem is that our employment systems are corrupt from the top down and this country is so expoert at evading the truth, it is frightening as one cannot be sure if one's lawyer, doctor, dentist or nurse or food expert even- are legitimate. We are in a recessuon in this country. I bet you the defence team will whip up enough quasi-law to bring forward an appeal as soon as sentence is given. They are like prostitutes-doing anything for money, and also, their queue system.... WHY DID THIS CASE TAKE SO MANY MONTHS IN COURT COSTING MILLIONS OF POUNDS? Because of treacherous defence lawyers- and nobody checks or verifies their new facts etc. If we catch lawyers committing perjury-we should openly and loudly charge, try, convict and lock them up.
According to those that did blow the whistle, they were told to remain silent. Those that complain are made to be the nuisance if you like and are kept quiet to avoid any bad press against the organisation
@@JAYG6390 That should be, and probably is illegal in the Uk(?)
How about the managers of the hospital ? Aren't they responsible at all ?
Not comparable to the crime though, is it?
There is aggravating circumstances of failing to consider some early warnings which could have saved lives, wasn't it worse crime like Putin who's never committed a crime on an Ukrainan woman but he had unleashed his cannon fodders there ? @@bwright227
@@bwright227Maybe,but not far short.
NHS management should be held to account?
Its reported that during trial she only showed emotion when her bf doctor walked into court to give evidence. Psychopath
Reading this comments makes me think Putin is a social worker comparing to all this hate and torture phantasies. It just sickens me
As soon as i heard the news break, i tuned in immediately to hear what Shelagh Fogarty had to say in LBC
She is a lady that speaks from the heart and with genuine conviction on matters of such utter tragedy.
She also cuts across the Bs fearlessly which inevitably and typically follows these terrible events.
There is alot more to come on this story and Shelagh Fogarty is the presenter to listen to.
The hospital management have some answering to do, as they're near culpable by their inaction to protect patients and prioritise looking after the hospitals reputation above all else.
this case has left me baffled, it's so hard to comprehend why she did what she did. her friends describe her as one of the girls, there's no history of sociopathic behavour or anything.
the only thing i can think is on the postit note she wrote she will never have a family, so i'm thinking she cant have her own kids and that tipped her over the edge? she took out the hatred of herself onto other people. misery loves company.
...and you are??
@@sallyramage8439 do you want to know my name?
@@jmckeev765Sally works for the NHS, she’s just a little sensitive tonight 🫤
@sallyramage8439 be happy.
She’s innocent and has been framed!!!! Free Lucy
Wait till the ladies in prison get their hands on her, justice for real. No mercy.
Not sure why it took so long to convict her? It was obvious early on, looking at the incident sheet, they should have completely suspended her from that hospital. Management heads should be rolling after this!
I sincerely hope she suffers daily in prison.
Shelagh Fogarty is a great reporter. I really enjoy listening to her. ✌️
agree
I’m still waiting for PALS to get in touch with me 10yrs later.
Criminal negligence should be the charge for every NHS administrator who looked the other way.
My complaint went to my late partners death going through a hospital serious incident investigation, and this year a coroners inquest. The death from being recorded as natural death to (the short version) 'medical negligence'. That changes have been introduced country wide, to stop what could have been an avoidable death happening to others. Some of the practices by those involved.... shocking 😡
this case is horrific to hear, harrowing, i was reading some of the evidence online & had to stop. It got unbearably gruesome
They hear you but they don't don't care. However chief executives should also face justice especially when warned. Because their reputation is on the line.
I blame the immigrants tbh
Of course😊👍
Why isn’t the death penalty being reinstated for this case ??
Because it's not legally possible to do so. That would be my guess.
Apparently if you commit a crime and you know what the maximum sentence for that crime is you may judge it to be worth the risk of committing it.
Therfore the penalty cannot be increased as the law is not allowed to be retrospective.
No amount of 'understanding ' will prevent many from commiting these acts. It is precisely because we cannot ever understand that makes it so horrific.
Having been sentenced, I hope she's guilty. It's just a shame no 'smoking gun' was found. I wouldn't have liked to have been on the jury. Tough call.
You obviously haven't followed the case because she is absolutely guilty without any doubt.
new car-new mortgaged flat, ie. steady income for essential baby expert.
She was found guilty. Unless you can time travel and watch everything unfold, what more do you want??
@paulroberts7544 the wrong place at the wrong time...every time. This wasn't one crime, Pauly boy. Don't be such a wet sponge.
She'll be popular in prison, you reap what you sow, watch out for hot sugared tea accidents, Lucy
You need not need the tea; hot water, with enough sugar, will suffice ... but the tea is the 'alibi', I'm guessing ...
The problem we have in this country is we put public workers on a pedestal but they are no better than us. They work for the taxpayer and no matter who we are we have the right to question them. There has been various cases of nurses, doctors and police officers that have got away with herrendous crimes for a long time due to people not dearing to question them due to there "status". They need to be more open and transparent and everyone has the right to question things must change.
Yes, nurses are "angels" I've heard 😂
I work within the NHS and there are whistle blowing protocols in place but the grief stress and guilt of not being a “team player” if one ever dare to raise a concern makes it a mockery. If one witnessed the near miss records they wouldn’t use the NHS. Letby was a rogue hopefully one off and no decent member of staff would never want to cause harm but if you were fly on the wall you would pray only not to get ill. Reason are poor management simply as that.
She must be punished severely.
No excuses.
No predictable lies about having mental issues.
No kid gloves treatment because she's a woman.
Punish her.
There needs to be a substantial cultural shift imposed upon nursing. They will not reform themselves. I faced victimisation, bullying and harassment for raising concerns related to patient safety within a School Health Team as a student. I was told the wrong information by an RN at my university about how to raise concerns. The RN who set me up to fail caused serious detriment to my health. I later resigned from the course due to poor health and no longer wanting to be part of that culture. An independent complaints/concerns office is needed for staff and patients rather than the NHS managing its own complaints. There also needs to be greater surveillance in care settings to deter maleficent behaviour. Tragically, this is not the first time. If reforms are not imposed upon the NHS and nursing it will not be the last. Something needs to change to better ensure the safety of service users and staff.
The only realistic sanction I can think of to make them appear for sentencing is that if they dont turn up they cannot appeal the sentence.
Pure evil
Well, I am not surprised that such nurses exist and are continuously protected by the system, having lost my baby girl 16 years ago, in another hospital, another part of the country, and shut down when I wrote to the hospital requesting my baby’s notes, and was simply denied of my fundamental rights of simple access to information!
Every year as I did 3 days ago while bringing flowers to my baby’s grave, I wonder if I could have done more to protect other babies and families who might be suffering the same ordeal I went through, year in, year out, but I guess I’ll never know, just because such monsters are protected by the system, and I am unfortunately too small and my baby’s life too insignificant to be looked upon!
Well this is what happens when everyone walks on egg shells in case anyone gets offended or feels like they are being targeted just because they called out on their own performance or behaviour. Someone should have done something to stop this mad woman. Even if it meant going public and blowing the whistle
I agree with all but one of your points. I don't think she is mad.The judge in sentencing said her acts bordered on the sadistic. I think that it was more than bordering, I think that was the only motivation for her behaviour. I think she derived pleasure from what she did.
The death penalty should have been implemented. Stop playing around with wicked people.
We haven't got the death penalty in the UK and you can't just bring it back for isolated cases. You probably don't like that fact but that's just how it is.
So very very sad 😔 😔 😔
The CEO of the hospital and the top management should also be fired and investigated
Unfortunately, there are still deadly nurses out there working in hospitals and other health care facilities who haven’t been caught yet.
I'm trying not to read too much into what her motives might have been given that she seems an incredibly unreliable narrator but given her short period of activity, it's at least possible she had some kind of psychotic break.
I was treated like a child by staff when I went in to have my son. "Silly mummy"" we both nearly died due to hospital incompetence.
THEY SHOULD FORCE THEM TO SHOW UP!!!!
Force? what are we in a dictatorship?
In 2008, a NHS nurse killed 13 babies that year. Cameras. Use cameras to monitor the whole room.
Her and Shipman doing the NHS proud
Contrived narrative aside, what awful crimes.
The NHS is not fit for purpose, needs to be disbanded
Letbey should be MADE TO BE IN COURT, when they give her sentence on Monday.
Management, that allowed Letbey to continue to work, need to be prosecuted too. A PUBLIC INQUIRY is now needed!
She's not going to court on Monday apparently, she should be dragged there kicking and screaming if necessary, it should be law that they cannot get out of this
And they want a pay rise!
Any person working in healthcare please be aware you can write an anonymous note and send it to the police if you need to....... But I understand how these concerned doctors felt because I was in another industry and I was gas-lit when I raised concerns......It is all over our media now because others who complained were taken seriously but I was not.......Like I said my issue had nothing to do with healthcare.
But remember to keep worshiping at the alter of the NHS
Huh?
I am not British so I really don't understand this situation. Why was hospital so protective of this one nurse? Why wouldn't the sudden death of one baby not be immediately investigated? Aren't autopsies performed in England? Why wouldn't already in placed safety protocols have automatically activated once the infant mortality rate started to climb? Why didn't the doctors simply go directly to the police? How was she able to check out meds without it being traced back to her? I find it amazing that the hospital sided with the nurse over the doctors, since doctors where I live are the patient's responsible care provider.
The point about whistleblowing is that whistleblowers have a degree of protection, even if their concerns are found not to be valid by subsequent investigation. These doctors were threatened with losing their medical licenses/ being reported to the GMC for bullying! So, as the management turned out to be gravely wrong there ought to be accountability now on their part - or at least some legislation to stop this happening again. There are clear accountability problems and conflicts of interest - and this is still a serious concern for safety of patients.
Maybe we should be allowed to point at the behaviour of women and criticise.
so sad and upsetting.
If it is a doctor managers will refer to GMC, where do we refer the managers?
So much self righteousness. I never ready how ill the Baby were. Somebody knoes?
Police evidence zero her
But did they catch in act
OR dna evidence?
Think she be out 5-8yrs
You have to understand the true motives for the hierarchy’s refusal to heed the alarming voices of actual medical professionals . The structure of pay,salaries,posting of positions are very different for executive and managerial branches within hospitals . Pay and bonuses are rewarded for towing the hospital line . While physicians,nurses and physical therapists are for the most part ,paid for work done ,these executives are driven by bonus rewards and promotions . The systems have been put in place by executives and thus will never change. So while the world continues to discuss the horrors of Lucy Letby and the tragedies of these babies ,it provides a smoke screen for the management to slither away without being held accountable for what they have allowed to happed . Why is there no major discussion and investigation into those who allowed this to continue ?
The sick thing is the tories cut the NHS so much that this type of thing is wholly more possible. If you know anyone that works in health, you'll know basic standards of care are rarely met now. Well done tory brexit britain and the gammon voters. This is in you too
No, post-mortem and no toxicology how did the little ones die?
This is why I'm often very wary of those who push 'Innocent until proven gulity'.....
It is not a universal concept that can be applied everwhere.
Innocent until proven guilty can be applied everywhere. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial.
@@chriswilkinson7636 So you are happy that several babies were 'entitled' to die?
@@lloydbelle3406 I didn't say anything of the sort. Don't try to imply that I did. I just said that people have to have a fair trial, no matter what they are accused of. It's what we do in civilised societies. Would you prefer to send lynch mobs around to get people suspected of committing crimes?
@@chriswilkinson7636 Then you miss my point.
Wow, this is very similar to Charles Cullen in the US. These people are the only reason I believe in capital punishment
Anything less than life in prison would be an insult to the British public and national safety. Seven babies for Christ sake... Hard to think anything worse than that.
I don't really care what happens to her, other than rotting for 700 lifetimes in jail.
The only thing I care about is, when is the management going to jail, not if, when.
Did she have a polygraph test ? she says she is innocent and there is no direct evidence against her. Why they never had CCTV in the baby unit defies reason - if anything is criminal - that is
Behind the door she will meet justice.
Alone & awaiting retribution
I bet she voted for Brexit
There should be cameras non stop... Trust is overrated
Lucy didn't want to play happy families.
You would have thought the lessons of Shipman would have been learned.
It's a shame you British ended Capital Punishment. If anybody deserves a date with the Hangman, it's Lucy Letby.
Capital punishment does nothing for justice and is a burden for tax payers. She can rot in prison. Killing her is not going to bring those babies back to life.
No thanks we arent animals.
no thanks mate, we arent americans. took your folks a while to stop racially abusing black americans
@@carlpierce2486 We're all animals. Notice how I correctly punctuated my sentence.
@@carlpierce2486but it’s a very human thing to keep animals and humans in a cage? Get a grip of yourself
As a patient I complained about a nurse and was put in a side room that was very isolated allowing her bizarre and cruel behaviour to escalate. It was very, very frightening. I was begging for medicines and getting very I’ll.