CN VA of HoD Reacts to 【Thus Spoke Apocalypse】 Honkai Impact 3rd Animation
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I mean, she’s saying facts. Doesn’t mean we like Otto, but we can’t not cry at that preformance from his VA
i agree,the fact that we can respect him,doesnt mean we can forgive him for all the atrocities he made
Nah, I like him, probably the best written character in honkai. Otto is the true leader of current era humanity.
You can't hate someone who do things out of love. Not to mention 500 years of love.
@@byakko4518 he was a genius through and through, could have lead humanity to victory against the honkai of he wanted, but reality had diferent plans for him
He didn't ask to be liked or to be forgiven.
He knew the price; if he's going to be remembered as the worst person or a terrible villain by the entire world, as long as Kallen get to live a better life? Then that's all that matters to him.
Not condoning what he has done, but I understand.
looks like she has increased her Tear Resistance
Ha. She will cry like a baby with Because of You. I call it.
Well that ain't good at all, that is direly needed
I was hoping to see her reaction when Otto spoke with Kiana and Durandal and let them know that their growth was also part of his plan. But, this is fire too. Thanks for the clip.
was honestly one of the most impressive moments for me of Otto's achievements when i realized it, the man set things up so that whether he succeeded or failed he would still accomplish his goal of saving Kallen
Growth my ass, kiana is ottos biological daughter
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853 i believed you must have quite an cognitive ability impair to even spouse such nonsense
@@nicolae-alexandruluca7853she was made with Cecilia and Siegfrieds dna, theresa was made with kallen's dna, none of them share blood with him other than possibly durandal
I'm actually one of those people who can easily put myself on "other's shoes" and sympathize and empathize with others, even towards "villains" (provided they are written well like Otto is, and not some shallow villain that just exist so the Protagonists have some "evil to defeat" and once the villain is dead it's a happy ending).
Though I can totally understand people who can't forgive him and continues to hate him, because indeed, he did a lot of terrible things (or could even become a Hero instead by not being the pathetic, selfish, foolish clown he is).
But all of that fades away when you see it from a perspective of each of them, including Otto himself, just playing a part in a "Grand Play", nothing but mere actors experiencing and living a temporary life in a human body (characters on a stage), while the Soul (the actors and actresses themselves) that inhabits it are immortal and eternal.
"All the world's a stage", as William Shakespeare would say.
Regression theme song puts this intelligently in its lyrics: "PERSONAS (the human body they temporarily inhabit) played out on the STAGE (the world) will return to the Self (the "Source" of it all, or whoever is the "opposite" of Will of the Honkai in Honkai Impact's universe), when there's a curtain call (the ending of the play)", that includes Otto as one of the "personas" along with others he loved and killed and suffered because of him.
And also the last few words of the narrator from Otto's Chronicles on RUclips: "...But to Otto himself, all rights and wrongs are TRANSIENT."
I also notice a lot of people seem to forget that without Otto, this story won't move forward at all, a lot of them seem to forget that his role as a Villain is to become the obstacle for the protagonists to overcome in order for them to become their greatest version that they are now at this part of the story--the main cast achieved such development that they are now more powerful than ever, enough that they are able to fight against Honkai while having a much better chance at defeating it for good.
And I fail to see how they will be able to improve and break through their limits without the intervention of an obstacle they must overcome, of which Otto Apocalypse so graciously took the role of (as one of the obstacles, along with the Honkai), whether he is aware of it or not, and whether he intended for it or not, his SELFISHNESS (of the resolve to sacrifice the world for one person) actually became a catalyst for the protagonists to becoming powerful enough to give this story a happy ending.
Taking a closer look at his Chronicles and this whole chapter in-game, he made sure that, throughout this chapter of the story, he placed obstacles and challenges for the protagonists to push through their limits, to sharpen their resolve and courage to fight to the end (even at the cost of their life) all while leaving a bunch of "Failsafe" (such as leaving the Abyss Flower from just outside the church, the timing of Durandal's rescue of Theresa by tampering with her Genius device, and so on)--for if they cannot overcome the challenges and obstacles he placed in their way, then Humanity truly won't stand a chance against the Honkai; but in the end, they are victorious.
At the end of the day: "Diamond cannot be polished without friction. Gold cannot be purified without fire."--Ramkrishna Paramahansa.
Otto Apocalypse became that "friction", that "fire", that "pressure", that made the protagonists shine, even more than what they would have achieved on their own (i.e., without a villain messing with them).
So no, I don't hate Otto--I just understand him, and I only just see him as "one of us" who is just a fellow actor (Soul), playing a temporary part (in a human body) in this Grand Stage; a necessary existence, from the perspective of an Immortal Soul outside of this temporary physical body. But that doesn't mean I won't accept his challenge and not fight him should it come to that, because after all, he is a villain to be overcome; I fight to overcome and stop him, but not because I "hate" him.
Fighting with hatred on the enemy is always a no-go; you are only perpetuating the cycle of Hatred if you do. Just like that part with Naruto vs Pain from the "Naruto" anime. Instead, fight with compassion towards them, with the intent of stopping them from committing more and more atrocities and innocents being harmed.
Though I cannot speak for those whom Otto messed with and suffered because of him, perhaps there's always a chance that, being free from the confines of their temporary physical body they will come to realize that it was all a play; nothing to hate, nothing to forgive, because no one did anything wrong, for they are all playing a role as co-actors and co-actresses, in the Honkai Impact 3rd's version of this "Grand Play" concocted by the Imaginary Tree, Sea of Quanta, Will of the Honkai, and whoever "God"/Source" is in there where all the Souls originate from.
At the end of the day though, Otto doesn't need other people to judge him--he himself would be the one to do that.
He's indeed a villain through and through and no one can change that, and no actions of his as "Otto Apocalypse" can change that, because that is his Soul's role (as an actor) that he chose (from all of his foolishness and selfishness), while living temporarily as "Otto Apocalypse" (as a character) in a temporary human body in that world (the "stage").
I did cry for Otto, though. It's kinda difficult not to when I usually just automatically put myself on other's shoes, be it the villain or the protagonist. I suppose my tears were a mixture of "remorse", crying for the things Otto did in the role of a "villain", and crying for those who suffered and died because of his actions, decisions and selfishness.
Otto's whole character is made to be difficult to really have a good answer for. It's a sensible character that one can associate with, but is yet antagonistic and selfish.
I don't believe that he truly considers his actions as a good driving force for others; it is just a convenient excuse, created for those who do somewhat care of him to have an emotional escape hatch. For others who lived, that reason is somewhat riddled with survivor and hindsight bias.
Ofc, this is all "interesting" from a story-telling perspective. If you remove yourselves from all the characters, and remind yourselves that you're simply looking through a screen, this is all just a "Grand Play", and each character is but an actor on that stage. Maybe this is why I don't particularly enjoy drama for the sake of drama, but the moment I start looking at "stories" from that perspective, I'll lose all interest in them, because I think they've became far too removed (IMO) from our daily lives and exist purely for entertainment. I digress.
If we apply the same logic to people IRL, can we say that criminals can serve to propel humanity to be better prepared for their future, if they played their role in a way that would force humanity to adapt and "grow" to counter greater evil? Sure, there is no true equivalent of the Honkai IRL; humans have no "single enemy", and so we cannot really bring that logic IRL. But if that's the case, isn't the fact that there is such an evil in the story that this convenient excuse can be used for Otto? While the converse of a logical statement isn't always true, consider it a new assumption in the picture. In fact, Otto never really cared too much about the Honkai. If anything, it was just yet another tool for his goals, and he simply acted accordingly to take advantage of it.
My take on Otto being a pathetic clown is much simpler; this is a man who lives only to serve his own selfish desire. When a person's is reduced simply to their own selfish desires and nothing else, they become puppets of their own will, and, in a sense, utterly laughable, especially when its their own choice (yes yes, this implies that I believe in the notion of free will, and it's fine even if it's simply an illusion). Otto has no regard to values that make us human: dignity, grace (in terms of human relationships), love (not just romantic, and extends to both tangible and intangibles), and will gladly take advantage of or even sacrifice them for his goal. Otto knows that (that he's already reduced to such a puppet), and we know that Kallen made him know that, and the fact that he gladly continued to play his "role".
Now why should we cry for this pathetic clown? I did not cry for the Otto that we know. There's nothing to cry for this Pierro (sad clown). However, I cried for how things have progressed, and for all the unfortunate people who "got in" his way. We can cry for child Otto, and for how he evolved into the Pierro that we know of. I feel sorry for Kallen, who has to basically shoulder the weight that this dumb clown simply pushed onto her without her say. Imagine being Kallen, and knowing that a damn idiot murdered others, toyed with their emotions and humanity, and attempted to sacrifice the world for yourself. Thinking along that line, we have, yet again, a typical sad clown trope: doing something solely for the sake of someone else (importantly, it benefits no one else, and in Otto's case, again, I think it's simply a convenient side-effect of his goals), knowing that they won't be appreciative of it, and yet does it anyway. I'm sure many have stories that are similar to the last one, myself included. Laughable indeed, and we know it ourselves, but we also cannot save ourselves.
As per my usual online spiels, I did not really aim to properly counter or support what you wrote. It's simply written to dump some thoughts from reading your comment.
Most times someone became a villain not because they wish to be or see the benefit for becoming one.
As a matter of fact, Otto's sacrifice reminded me to Elysia; they are willing to become the villain for the sake of love.
What a well written piece, my friend. This really encapsulated to what an enthralling character Otto Apocalypse is.
Same. Thanks for sharing
@@R4GNAR0G and the way they died is also to change "fate"
"Survived Otto's monologue without crying too much... Wait, there's still a CG after that?" - Moeki
Felt EXACTLY as she did. The story, the animation, the musical score; everything was designed to make you feel as much sympathy as possible for Otto.
All the same, I never for a second forgot all the people that suffered because of him. Not even just the faces we know, but all those around the world who died in the 4th Honkai eruption and those they left behind.
The animation is beautiful, sad, and all around well-made like all of MiHoyo's animations, but it's the only one where I didn't cry.
Gotta start somewhere. Rather unfortunate you have to do questionable to evil stuff but in this universe? I'll rather step on others than go morals without offering a solution.
For me it's the only one I cried, like actually cried
Well it wasn't made to make you cry. But rather to Inspire you and root for otto.
Not just the 4th, remember that the second eruption was his fault as well. Not only did he run the experiments that caused Sirin to become a Herrscher, when Welt had her dead to rights Otto directly intervened to stop him from stopping her which let her get to the moon and power up.
well no it's just made to undertand Otto's motives that's it
Otto is so well written. For me, he is the most human in the game. Not humane, that's definitely not him.
He is such a walking contradiction and that is what humans are. To what extent does man can show its evil yet show so much love?
It is as Nietzsche had said, when one acts for love, it goes beyond the veil of morality, of what is good or evil.
We all have this complex relationship with this man like she said, just because we cried doesn't mean we didn't hate him
Can't wait when she react to Elysia
A part when kallen say goodbye with otto
We may hate the bastard, but that doesn't mean we can't salute him as a sign of respect. We will never forgive him for what he's done, but we can give our respect to him for accomplishing what he set out to do.
Thanks for the vid Oll Yt and Terry Wei!
"I know maybe you guys are expecting me to cry my ass off"
Yeah coz they wanna harvest your tears as their fuel
she cried, but not for Otto, for these who were suffered by Otto.
She did cry for him lol. You can cry for a villain but still recognize his terrible deeds.
You know a villain is well written when we can proudly say that we will never forgive him, but also cannot help but respect him for how far he went for his "Ultimate"
One of the best written villains.
I am very much in agreement with her. I prefer her reaction the most for Thus Spoke Apocalypse.
The man's dedication to Kallen was certainly something else, and quite moving in its own right. He moved heaven and earth for the sake of someone he loved, even knowing he wouldn't get to be with her himself. For all of that, he certainly has my respect.
But his path there involved more than a few atrocities, and ruined the lives of many other characters that I frankly care about more than I do him. And I will not forgive him for that.
He is a well done character, and in that respect I think he is a good character and like him in that sense. As a person though, I hate his fucking guts still.
Great stuff as always oll
People seem to think of otto as the villain that we know the first time we met him.
Yes he did shit ton of evil stuffs, those evil deed that he done was based on his definition of 'good'.
Nothing can justified what he did, he knows he is way beyond the point of redemption. He also went through growth as villain. From carrying out kallen's will of winning/stopping the war, curing disease that kills a lot of people. His method is evil, his intention is good, yet we all know its beyond redemption.
I think if someone trying to find a ground whether otto is 'good' or 'bad' then that person missed the whole point of his joirney
Did she not react much to the Dudu reveal? I was hoping we'd get her reaction to that as well if possible
i mean the Dudu reveal was kinda obvious no? Yes, I was excited when it was made official, but with all the info we got in the VN most people who read the VN knew ages ago who Dudu was.
@@ledoi5961 The reaction would be interesting all the same, no?
@@monologistical depends, if she was like "oh yeah I knew that, took them long enough" then no. But maybe she was hyped so yeah maybe.
I'm much more interested in her reaction to the Veliona death bait.
The wasted potential of Otto is the real tragedy here. What could this man have done in 500 years if he hadn't been so callously dedicated to a single person?
I feel like he could've eliminated or at least been close to completely eliminating the honkai if he just had a different goal in mind lol
I think it's the irony, since that mindset is what will save the world from honkai
Her "not over?" seems like a promising future
What makes me most irritated and also makes me like Otto is the fact that at the end he got away with what he wanted. He won.
There was that comment under The Rumble of Scientific Triumph saying "The best part is that he got away with everything" and I couldn't agree more. Bondrewd (from Made in Abyss) and Otto really do have a lot in common
After everything he did, all I could think about was he better pull it off. Failing at that part meant that everyones sacrifice was worth nothing.
well, I was cheering for him at that point, mad lad has been tried everything for past 500 years. he batter made it he came that far afterall
@@illum6 bondrewd and otto have a lot in common, including shedding their physical form and humanity to achieve their goals
She lays out so well why I get irritated at those who try to “de-villainize” Otto in the wake of what happens at the end of this arc. Yes, he accomplished his goal… but how many lives did he throw away just to give a girl who died 500 years ago a new timeline to live in? People then say “but he valued the Valkyries…” did he, though? There are so many examples of how he viewed them as just as disposable as the rest of humanity.
Personally, I respect Otto as a villain. What people like me want to say is that, even if he is a villain, you cannot say that the man had also done something good for the world. His journey towards his end is honestly more of a dark hero route rather than just a mere villain. I did not forget the experiments, the massacres, the nuke, the people he manipulated to his bidding. I also did not forget how he stopped Kevin in his tracks, how he fooled a God, how he held back humanity's end for 500 years, and how he created the strongest heroes his universe can ever make.
Otto is a man of contradiction, and that is what makes him human. And that is why I respect him.
You are right but also there's a lot of people who killed, tortured and sacrificed much more but we love them: Aponia, Mobius, Kevin, Fu Hua for example... they lived longer than Otto and killed much more people, some of them tortured thousads of peole. But the hate is only for Otto and just because he act villanish and "has a selfish goal".
Well, 2 side of 1 coin. Without Otto a lot of worst things could happen, Kiana would not exist, Mei probably would die, original Kiana probably would share the same fate with Cecilia and etc. Obviously Otto could save a lot of people, but, well, without him a lot of things would be really worst.
How much taking a life equals to saving a life? You guys get really mad because he took the life from some characters that you love but how many lifes he saved in the process? Otto basically saved the entire world making the cure to the black plague. He also created the valkyries, he created our theresa, he created our kiana, sacrificing himeko he made kiana able to control a herrscher, he trained bianka to be stronger than her mother. In the end otto was the real leader of current era, but some players only remember him by "oh, he nuked cecilia" (she was already dying because of abyss flower), "killed fuhua" (he knows very well that she can't die, it was part of his plan for her to be with kiana) and "himeko died 'cause of him" (nah she was already dying but choose to save kiana, also part of his plan so humanity would have control over herrscher powers).
@@byakko4518 I agree. If not him who would've created cure in the past? No one. Even in our time it's impossible to create a medicine without testing on people and back then he only tested on already dying ones. Is that really that bad to give an experimental cure to a dying ill person? What's wrong with that? Is it better to not give them the cure even if it can kill them? So they will live one more day in pain? It sounds so stupid when peole trying to point this as a bad deed. That was just a normal medical researcher's work. And that goes with other things too. He only killed like several people because of stupid thoughts while had other possibilities, though they were hard to execute... The most stupid thing he did was torture of children in Babylon Tower but he himself called reseachers in there crazy. They were the ones who done it in a bad way, he just managed resources for this laboratory.
It's not love or hate for me, It's respect.
#OttoDidNothingWrong
I wish she reacted to Otto Chronicles, that video proves why otto is the only and real leader of current era.
She said it so well
thus spoke HoD cn va. I agree with her!
"It's over now?"
*Yes. Otto Apocalypse is dead. Who's next?*
5:39 沐老師大意了, 沒有閃.
For most of us who hate Otto, we still do. However, that doesn’t mean we can’t sympathize and understand his desperation and willingness to move forward. It doesn’t mean he’s justified or right, but we get it.
I don't. Humanity will be f*cked and Kevin would have rolled on the remaining cast early and easily especially if they didn't changed Project Stigma to the one that is similar to Evangelion.
@@dadian803 Humanity survived for centuries before there was ever a Schicksal, World Serpent, Human-Herrscher, and the Flamechasers. I’m sure that although they do get their butts kicked a lot, that they’ll still survive and prevail without any kind of shenanigans made up or done by Otto.
Weird, I thought she would cry has hard as Kanaru. It's ok, I guess, all what she said is correct, you can't forgive/forget what he did-
Who is HoD?? I new for HI3rd but i want to know the VA🙏🏻🙏🏻
herrscher of domination.. you'll know them later
@@Ollyt_ okey thanks for the information. I am not good at acronym 🤣🙏🏻
what is "HoD"?
herrscher of domination