I think the conversion of No15 into Thomas was a really good decision, yes, there aren't too many tank engines here in the States, but when you think about it, a heck lot of people get interested in steam and preservation because of Thomas, I sure did. So when you think about it, having to lose one steam engine that isn't really even gone, and immortalizing it in the process, all to get more kids interested in trains and steam, I think it's a pretty good deal
Moel Tryfan (pronounced Mole Truvan, or near enough) was sold for scrap to raise funds due to the Ffestiniog Railway having very few funds at that time, not being so financially buoyant as it is today. There is a replica of the Ffestiniog’s own single Fairlie class “Taliesin” which was completed in 1999 which has proven quite a decent and easy to use loco. There are still a number of Ffestiniog Railway and Welsh Highland Railway supporters who would dearly like to see a replica of Moel Tryfan built at Boston Lodge works (the locomotive workshops and sheds of the Ffestiniog Railway) to undo the loss of what was only the second survivor from the original Welsh Highland Railway (The later operating company of the North Wales Narrow Gauge Railway) the other survivor being “Russell” which is now based on the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway with now frequent runs along the reopened Welsh Highland Railway (operated by the Ffestiniog Railway company) I am a life member of the Ffestiniog Railway Society and visit fairly frequently, it is a great line and well worth visiting North Wales to ride, the Welsh Highland, if possible, is even more spectacular, especially the Aberglaslyn Pass, where the Afon Glaslyn (River Glaslyn) passes through a really tight ravine before reaching the village of Beddgelert.
Common misconception in this video. Strasburg was NOT the original heritage railroad in the US, though it is often credited as such. The first heritage operation in the US as we know them to be today was the Black Hills Central in South Dakota, which started operation in 1957, a good 2 years before Strasburg entered the tourism business. Kind of pedantic, I know, but just a fact some people don't realize with how well known Strasburg has become over the decades.
I applaud your bravery of including the porter and fully agree with your decision to include it. And it's not an uncommon problem for railroads to not have long enough turn tables for locomotives. In the 50s PRR received some loaned Santa Fe 2-10-4s and they couldn't fit on the PRR turntable.
Very interesting choice of including BEDT 15. It really goes to show the depths of the conversation of how much of an engine can be changed until its considered rebuilt, reclassified, or scrapped. I'd personally say #15 was more rebuilt than scrapped, but it still looks nothing like its original form. Also, prepare yourself for the foamers who might complain about not including a certain Grand Trunk Western engine...
The idea that some remains of Midlothian is in a surviving Spitfire, Hurricane, or Lancaster is similar to the idea the Unknown Warrior buried in Westminster Abbey is your relative who went missing and was never found.
I'm suprised no one has mentioned the story of HR Small Ben 4-4-0 No 54398 Ben Alder. Ok, it wasn't technically preserved but when the engine was withdrawn in 1953 and was put into storage in the hope it would be preserved. However, it was scrapped in the mid 60s. One of the reasons why it wasn't preserved was the it didn't have its original boiler. Another one not mentioned was the attempt to preserve GWR Saint No 2937 Clevedon Court. It was purchased by Sir Arthur Elton for preservation at her namesake but was returned to Swindon for scrap either due to: A: They could not get it through the Gates. B: Lady Elton wasn't told of the purchase and she refused delivery when they turned up with it.
The city & South London Railway, the first deep level tube railway, opened between Stockwell and King William Street Stations in, I think, 1890. For its first few years it used small electric locomotives. Two of these were preserved, one was for many years at the Science Museum in London and is now at the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden. The other was displayed at Moorgate station, which was served by the C&SLR after King William Street Station was closed and the line extended Northwards. This locomotive was distroyed in a bombing raid during World War II. One motored axle was saved and was on display next to the other preserved locomotive when it was at the Science Museum, but I don’t know where it is now.
The real reason way they rebuilt no. 15 was because its water tank didn't hold enough for the engine to do the entire route. So they did try to preserve her.
Stanier may not have been responsible for the scrapping of North Star and Lord Of The Isles, but he defintely did order the scrapping of four old historic locos when he was Chief Mechanical Engineer of the LMS in the early 1930s as they were taking up too much room in the loco works paint shops.
The conspiracy theory that he scrapped them, seems like the plot to a Doctor Who episode, like, the manager of the LMS is shaking his fist at the GWR office, saying 'ohhh, i'll get you, GWR!!' and then having Stanier inflitrate Swindon and secretly scrap the locos.
As a fan of the North British altantic's, the story of Midlothian is tragic. But at least we have the tender frames of No. 9879 in preservation. Also great video 👍
That is as much as the T1Trust had 2 years ago (a tender). You would just need less money to build the rest. And she'll be faster to build - less costs, more UK enthusiasts.🚂
Something I just realized is that they probably do the equivalent to a 1472 teardown every off-season for BEDT 15...Since it's been in continuous service since 1999.
I got to ride #15 as Thomas as a kid in ia in the early 2000s and it was so much fun and sadly the last vacation my family went on before my parents divorced it is a wonderful memory that sticks with me to this day
hello! Excellent video, here in Mexico, an electric locomotive built in 1928 by GE and ALCO was scrapped in 2013 at Encinar, Veracruz, FCM 1012 Greetings!
got some info about BEDT 15: that color photo is _not_ of 15, but a fellow saddle tank, 65, dressed up as 15. Note the external valve gear. Also, 15 wasn’t entirely scrapped, the boiler and chassis are still original. I’m tempted to say that stras may still have the original boiler and cab somewhere.
Stanier did end up cutting up a collection of preserved former Midland Railway locomotives that were stored at Derby Works when he became CME of the LMS.
Midlothian most likely became an antiaircraft gun or a tank...the amount of steel components in an aircraft is astoundingly small (landing gear struts, and the crankshaft and engine camshafts is the extent of steel used in most aircraft!). In a military aircraft, the guns, also...aircraft grade aluminum alloys are far more suitable for aircraft usage (they weigh less).
Midlothian: I like to think they won the Battle of British with me cock flange. Muffin: I think Spitfires were made from aluminium. Midlothian:Oh. It was all for naught!
Also, BEDT 15’s sister engines are all still around. The closest to their original home and one I’ve actually seen is BEDT 16, at the Railroad Museum of Long Island. Even one of thier diesel’s is still around. It’s painted for the New York Central despite never working for it, but she’s in a part on Manhattan’s upper west side.
Honestly, I really am fine with Strasburg rebuilding No.15 into Tho as for a variety of reasons 1. Thomas is practically the reason most people nowadays get into trains (including myself) 2. BEDT 15 is technically still the same, but with a Thomas cover on PLUS it helped increase his water capacity. 3. Foamers need to seethe and cope lol
To be fair, the UK has a lot of better Thomas style trains (including an "official" one designated by the Rev W Awdry), but the particular one chosen was from a miniature railway in Yorkshire (the Kirklees Light Railway, now "Whistlestop Valley"), and the locomotive in question (Hawk) wasn't actually intended to be Thomas or even pass as an 0-6-0T - it just gets decorated that way for DOWT events because it is blue. PS if you didn't like the "Thomas", wait until you see the "Percy" (Badger) or "Toby" (Tram No.7)... :P
Nice to see some from my area north wales. Would like to see more of north wales railways being talked about. Espesially seeing im from Deiniolen north wales by the Llanberis quarry.
Same with Valley Railroad No. 2 and BEDT No. 14, H.K. Porter made a lot of locomotives with a similar design to BEDT No. 15 so I’m glad we have a few more with us.
I can forgive the Strasburg. BEDT #15 didn't have the water capacity originally and they struck a deal with Britt Alcroft to build Thomas after Britt used their railroad for the Magic Railroad movie. Watch Thomasdottvs video on it if your wondering Strasburg Thomas has always been my favorite.
I'd say number 15 hasn't been scrapped. A good amount of her original parts are still used on the locomotive, and if I'm not mistaken they still have some of the parts from before her conversion
As a DM&IR Yellowstone fan, it breaks my heart about what happened to Yellowstone No. 221, all the same it is gratifying that the three that are saved were saved.
Would anyone agree that the BR class 22 fits this list, one was paid for and was 'preserved' but the shed it was stabled at wasn't told so, and it was scrapped. To stop complaints from the owner the gave him for a similar price a class 42 warship.
Greetings from Russia. Well in our country very few steam locomotives older than 70 years are preserved. Back in the days - during Soviet times - there was a try of creating the National Museum. Still that idea never happened. The situation with DMUs and EMUs is even worse.
Midlothian was the greatest loss in preservation in the UK along with the shortsightedness not to preserve the last Johnson Midland Belpaire. Both were beautiful excellent locomotives in their own right. I would have payed with my high teeth to have seen both of them run.
Along with Silver Link (the original A4, and one they _did_ legitimately try to save, but couldn't afford), definitely. Such a shame on all three of those counts. 🙁
(No. 5 and 4 spots) They were in so much suffering, the railways had to put them down. (No 3) The two engines waited for someone to take them and look after them. But fate had other plans. (No. 2) I don’t think it was a bad thing that #15 being made into a Thomas replica isn’t bad, because it just simply keeps an old engines surviving, yet in a new life if that makes any sense. Dang! (No. 1) I just do not understand how even such amazing engines performance wise get scrapped. That just confuses and frustrates me!
The NER, as the successor to the historic Stockton and Darlington Railway, had a museum from the 1880s. It's were the City of Truro ended up. Due to the cost of needed to put in broad gauge track and the difficulty in getting them to York are probably the reasons that North Star and the Lord of the Isle didn't get preserved.
But really in 1905 no railways would have been interested in preserving other companies' engines. So as no museums were interested, the GWR simply cut the engines up. City of Truro's preservation came many years later; in fact in 1905 it was just a few years old and had only just reached its record-breaking speed of around 100 mph.
At a lot of Day Out With Thomas events, Thomas is in fact just a dummy engine pushed by a diesel on the other end of the train. A shame it had to be the Midlothian that was sacrificed in WW2, especially after her resurrection.
I fully agree with #15 becoming Thomas. The Strasburg Railway is one that is so important to preserving steam locomotives. It it means a locomotive has to be turned into thomas to support them, I understand it. And it's a smart idea, too. I applaud them for their genius.
@@realcanadian67It’s the Strasburg RailROAD, not the Strasburg Railway. It’s been Railroad for them since 1832. Also, there is a difference between Railroad and Railway. Check out this video: ruclips.net/video/a_OeN_pdJxw/видео.html
@@Train_Tok_Man I don't know much about Strasburg, and I just took what I know from my vocab and used it instead. Over here up north, it's all railways. Ive been desensitized too it. Sorry I called it a railway, but for me there really isn't a difference. Different cultures, yah know?
8:33 for your info, there are two parts of Lord of the Isles left- the driving axle with cracks and both driving wheels stands proud in the foyer of the STEAM Museum in Swindon (where the replica North Star resides), with one of the nameplates alongside
As a railroad and industry historian myself i am not mad about 15. I mean 1 i mean ahhhhhh. Its still 15. They cut the saddle tanks put side tanks but the boiler the cylinders the smoke box the wheelset. Every mechanical part is still 15. Brit Alcroft from thmoas and friends who made the movie thomas and the magic railroad was shot there and 475 is the rainbow sun. So thomas is funded by the thomas and friends franchise. So it is the USAs only self powered "show funded" thomas. So blame the British not the amish lol
It is quite a shame that the Moel Tryfan locomotive is gone. All though, this would be kind of rare to type or tell you. That if you watched a train series called, "World's Greatest Train Ride Video?" The Ffestiniog Railway and the Locomotive "Linda" were actually on that episode of Wales. If you that on RUclips or a VHS of Scotland and Wales it'll show parts of Ffestiniog Railway and Locomotive Linda were on Tv being famous.
Holy shit I didn’t know DM&IR 221 was supposed to be preserved! That means we ALMOST could have had a running example of one today!!! Edit: You said Proctor and Duluth wrong, the second O in Proctor is pronounced as an E, and Duluth is pronounced Duh-Looth
Yeah But cant blame the locals blame the British. Coming here looking for paradise but get a bird in hand and blue ball cause they couldn't find intercourse on their way to lancaster. Yes i lived in Kinzer pa fir 5 years zooming out on Google maps is hilarious hell strasburgs 10 minutes away so zooming out there would give you the same results. All those town exist. I have a intercourse pa bumper sticker on my truck cap lol.
We have our story of a scrapped preserved steam locomotive here Introducing PNKA (now PT.KAI) B5138 (Im gonnal call Her 38) was one of the 2 Cylinder compound B51 Class who works daily on a local suburban service. Her work condition was.. Well, crappy. The coaches She used to pull were mostly dirty, ugly and just basicaly in a bad shape. She got many donour parts from Her sisters who lives with 38 at Rangkasbitung, Banten. When the line She served was finally Dieselized in the 1980s, She was put to the sidelines awaiting for scrap. Then, a miracle happened. She was brought in to the National Museum (We call it Monas) in Jakarta and was put on display as a part of a festival that was going on there. However, as the festivals were moved to Kemayoran (not quite far if I remember correctly) some irresponsible shit scrapped Her on sight
Here is one thing I bet you never heard this. The Pennsylvania Railroad actually owned some Articulated steamers, but, they are not newly built. They were formerly Norfolk & Western Y3 which became the Pennsylvania railroad's HH1.
Personally, im not against the BEDT 15 being turned into thomas for two reasons, one: there are a couple more BEDT locomotives including porter designs scattered around the us so i dont see why people get upset about this, two: i find it nice they wanted to bring thomas to life, plus the thomas is the only functional thomas in the us, plus the replica came the hight of thomas's popularity so i see it as a way of honoring the original model series of thomas.
I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't mention B&O EM-1 #7600 which was supposed to be preserved and sent to the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Museum but the Yardmaster misunderstood the order and sent it to be scrapped instead. Leaving the last B&O Yellowstone locomotive to be lost to time
@@fanofeverything30465 5629 will probably be in a second entry in this series, but the short version is that Chicago commuter railroad Metra told him that they weren't going to let him keep it on the storage track in their yard any more, then didn't let him remove it before their drop-dead date for getting it off the property, and then cut it up for scrap despite not owning it or having any legal right to do so. Outright theft, that.
There was a Southern Pacific 2-8-2 Mikado No. 743 that was built in 1921 and retired in 1957 and was donated to the City of Lafayette, LA and placed on static display in Gerard Park, Unfortunately she fell victim to neglect and vandalism and by February 1978 the City simply scrapped her on site without even offering her to a single museum, It is also pointed out that she actually wasn’t the first steam engine donated to the City Morgan’s Louisiana & Texas Railroad & Steamship Company American Type 4-4-0 Sabine was previously donated to the City only to be left abandoned and eventually scrapped in 1942. This could be a candidate for a Part 2.
There are some few engines that were preserved in nsw but scrapped such as the D58 ( only the tender survived), preserved NSW climax engine was scrapped except for the boiler on display in NSW north coast, the US Shay locomotives of Wolgan valley Commonwealth oil corporation (Shay no1 was replaced by Shay no4 and was scrapped in 1910 and used as a stationary boiler in Glen Davis, shay 2,3 &4 were still in service until 1932 when great depression had struck. The mighty Shays were then left to rust and n peace. But were soon scrapped by government and the newnes line dismantled in 1940. The only parts the survived were the tender, Shay beams and Shay engine pipes along the glow-worm tunnel walk)
To be fair, I respect how you feel about the Thomas-ified BEDT no. 15 engine and I'm not entirely upset nor offended about it. It's not uncommon you hear railfans complain about the railroad ruining the engine's historical significance. I mean you can't please everyone, unless you come up with an idea where both parties can win and be happy. But truth be told, there are some details to note about that I don't think anyone has said that I want to share: Strasburg DID originally wanted to keep no. 15 in its original condition and use for excursion runs. The only modification they would've done was convert it to burn coal instead of oil like it originally was, however, the problem with it was that it couldn't hold enough water supply to make a full 45-minute round trip on the line and they didn't want to constantly refill it every round trip they made. Which is why, when they rebuilt it to resemble Thomas in 1999, they didn't go as far to Leaman Place Junction as the usual trains did. They only stopped halfway on the line beyond Groff's Grove. But there was a time when they did actually drove Thomas as far as Carpenter's Crossing, which was only for a Japanese exclusive VHS special that none of us Americans and Canadians knew any about at the time, as we only had the 10 Years of Thomas video special to go on about as kids. It wasn't until the start of the 2020s when Covid hit, Strasburg went above and beyond for all future DOWT events to drive Thomas all the way over to Leaman Place and back to East Strasburg - the rest is history from there onwards as we all know. Not many railfans actually know about this, but some remedies of the original parts that BEDT no. 15 had actually still exists to this day - the oil bunker and saddle tank most notably. It's just that there's not at Strasburg Railroad anymore as they were sold off to the Wanamaker, Kempton, and Southern Railroad to use as parts for another H.K. Porter tank engine, no. 65, but this didn't happen, and they can still be seen sitting outside the shops to this day. (In fact, that one photo that was presented in this video is none other than WKS RR no. 65 dressed up to look like BEDT no. 15). So not all hope is totally lost for no. 15, it's just that they can't rebuild it to what it previously was from what it went through almost 30 years ago. I hope this information helps out a little more on clarifying BEDT no. 15's backstory and why it is as it continues to be. Again, I'm not totally upset by this, it's not much of a big deal for me, it's just that I've been accustomed to other people's opinions about the locomotive.
You should tell the story of Canadian National 5700 where it was marked for preservation but accidentally scrapped so they took 5703 and renumbered it to be 5700
Request for the next part: C&O K-2 #1189 She was the last surviving 2-8-2 Mikado from the C&O, and she was cut up in the 1970’s. Pretty sad. The K-2’s were truly underrated.
@@bean_bttf3 Indeed When a railway decides to scrap a whole class it's upsetting and annoying but it's understandable in the sense that, as much as I don't want to say it, scrapping makes more money than preservation but when the last surviver of a class is supposedly saved, as stated in the video, for future generations to enjoy and appreciate but winds up destroyed anyway it's heartbreaking and infuriating
That last locomotive that was scrapped twice. Most aircraft in the second world war were made out of aluminum, scrapping the train to get steel I don't think would have helped much. Maybe the steel went into tanks?
No because The Whyte classification is organized by the wheels front to back. For example the Pacific wheel arrangement means: 4 leading wheels 6 driving wheels 2 trailing wheels So the Yellowstone wheel arrangement means: 2 leading wheels 8 driving wheels 8 driving wheels 4 trailing wheels The Cab Forwards wheel arrangement means: 4 leading wheels 8 driving wheels 8 driving wheels 2 trailing wheels
I believe that another British locomotive that almost made preservation was one of John Aspinall's Class 7 Atlantic express engines known as the 'Highflyers' for the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway. I recall reading this somewhere but I'm unable to find the definitive proof. Perhaps someone can verify.
You can't really say that Moel Tryfan was preserved. It was just one of several ex-Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland engines left to rust away in the sheds when the FR finally went bust in 1946. Three of the Festiniog's 0-4-0s nearly suffered the same fate, but were eventually rebuilt. The Southwold Railway's engines suffered a similar incarceration after it closed in 1929.
Well Darkness, WW2 Couldn't be helped the RAF needed metal to build planes to defend themselves from the Luftwaffe, Ever saw the 1969 Battle of Britain Movie, they kind of tell the story from bothsides between the RAF & Luftwaffe and how the RAF fought hard to keep the People of London safe from the Blitz.
I think the conversion of No15 into Thomas was a really good decision, yes, there aren't too many tank engines here in the States, but when you think about it, a heck lot of people get interested in steam and preservation because of Thomas, I sure did. So when you think about it, having to lose one steam engine that isn't really even gone, and immortalizing it in the process, all to get more kids interested in trains and steam, I think it's a pretty good deal
The new interest in train history is the result of Thomas the Tank Engine so #15 is saving other trains as well.
It was just the sacrifice for more trains
Moel Tryfan (pronounced Mole Truvan, or near enough) was sold for scrap to raise funds due to the Ffestiniog Railway having very few funds at that time, not being so financially buoyant as it is today. There is a replica of the Ffestiniog’s own single Fairlie class “Taliesin” which was completed in 1999 which has proven quite a decent and easy to use loco. There are still a number of Ffestiniog Railway and Welsh Highland Railway supporters who would dearly like to see a replica of Moel Tryfan built at Boston Lodge works (the locomotive workshops and sheds of the Ffestiniog Railway) to undo the loss of what was only the second survivor from the original Welsh Highland Railway (The later operating company of the North Wales Narrow Gauge Railway) the other survivor being “Russell” which is now based on the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway with now frequent runs along the reopened Welsh Highland Railway (operated by the Ffestiniog Railway company)
I am a life member of the Ffestiniog Railway Society and visit fairly frequently, it is a great line and well worth visiting North Wales to ride, the Welsh Highland, if possible, is even more spectacular, especially the Aberglaslyn Pass, where the Afon Glaslyn (River Glaslyn) passes through a really tight ravine before reaching the village of Beddgelert.
Common misconception in this video. Strasburg was NOT the original heritage railroad in the US, though it is often credited as such. The first heritage operation in the US as we know them to be today was the Black Hills Central in South Dakota, which started operation in 1957, a good 2 years before Strasburg entered the tourism business. Kind of pedantic, I know, but just a fact some people don't realize with how well known Strasburg has become over the decades.
The Sandy Pond & Lake Ontario, part of Rail City, opened near Oswego, NY in 1954. Rail City liked to claimed they were the first tourist RR in the US.
I applaud your bravery of including the porter and fully agree with your decision to include it. And it's not an uncommon problem for railroads to not have long enough turn tables for locomotives. In the 50s PRR received some loaned Santa Fe 2-10-4s and they couldn't fit on the PRR turntable.
Very interesting choice of including BEDT 15. It really goes to show the depths of the conversation of how much of an engine can be changed until its considered rebuilt, reclassified, or scrapped. I'd personally say #15 was more rebuilt than scrapped, but it still looks nothing like its original form. Also, prepare yourself for the foamers who might complain about not including a certain Grand Trunk Western engine...
NUF SAID ABOUT 29,OR 32.
IT STILL IS BEDT 15 JUST REMADE.
The idea that some remains of Midlothian is in a surviving Spitfire, Hurricane, or Lancaster is similar to the idea the Unknown Warrior buried in Westminster Abbey is your relative who went missing and was never found.
I'm suprised no one has mentioned the story of HR Small Ben 4-4-0 No 54398 Ben Alder.
Ok, it wasn't technically preserved but when the engine was withdrawn in 1953 and was put into storage in the hope it would be preserved. However, it was scrapped in the mid 60s. One of the reasons why it wasn't preserved was the it didn't have its original boiler.
Another one not mentioned was the attempt to preserve GWR Saint No 2937 Clevedon Court. It was purchased by Sir Arthur Elton for preservation at her namesake but was returned to Swindon for scrap either due to:
A: They could not get it through the Gates.
B: Lady Elton wasn't told of the purchase and she refused delivery when they turned up with it.
The city & South London Railway, the first deep level tube railway, opened between Stockwell and King William Street Stations in, I think, 1890. For its first few years it used small electric locomotives. Two of these were preserved, one was for many years at the Science Museum in London and is now at the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden. The other was displayed at Moorgate station, which was served by the C&SLR after King William Street Station was closed and the line extended Northwards. This locomotive was distroyed in a bombing raid during World War II. One motored axle was saved and was on display next to the other preserved locomotive when it was at the Science Museum, but I don’t know where it is now.
Grand Trunk Western 5629, CB&Q 5632, T&P 638.
11:12 there's a reason museums call him Thomas The Bank Engine.
The disappointing thing is children go nuts over Thomas, but think the real ones are insignificant. Mere media brainwashing.
@@williamclarke4510dude what are you talking about???
one of reasons why most heritage railroads are successful is because of Thomas. So why are you complaining????
@@MichaelJones-vx7lt I wasn't complaining
The real reason way they rebuilt no. 15 was because its water tank didn't hold enough for the engine to do the entire route. So they did try to preserve her.
No, Thomas is a side tank loco, the BEDT loco's are saddle tankers. They rebuilt it to look the part, not because of water capacity.
Stanier may not have been responsible for the scrapping of North Star and Lord Of The Isles, but he defintely did order the scrapping of four old historic locos when he was Chief Mechanical Engineer of the LMS in the early 1930s as they were taking up too much room in the loco works paint shops.
WHY NOT DONATE OR ABANDON THEM?
The conspiracy theory that he scrapped them, seems like the plot to a Doctor Who episode, like, the manager of the LMS is shaking his fist at the GWR office, saying 'ohhh, i'll get you, GWR!!' and then having Stanier inflitrate Swindon and secretly scrap the locos.
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I WANT. THAT. STEAM ENGINE! (revs up chainsaw)
As a fan of the North British altantic's, the story of Midlothian is tragic. But at least we have the tender frames of No. 9879 in preservation.
Also great video 👍
That is as much as the T1Trust had 2 years ago (a tender). You would just need less money to build the rest. And she'll be faster to build - less costs, more UK enthusiasts.🚂
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Something I just realized is that they probably do the equivalent to a 1472 teardown every off-season for BEDT 15...Since it's been in continuous service since 1999.
I got to ride #15 as Thomas as a kid in ia in the early 2000s and it was so much fun and sadly the last vacation my family went on before my parents divorced it is a wonderful memory that sticks with me to this day
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Excellent video, here in Mexico, an electric locomotive built in 1928 by GE and ALCO was scrapped in 2013 at Encinar, Veracruz, FCM 1012
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got some info about BEDT 15: that color photo is _not_ of 15, but a fellow saddle tank, 65, dressed up as 15. Note the external valve gear. Also, 15 wasn’t entirely scrapped, the boiler and chassis are still original. I’m tempted to say that stras may still have the original boiler and cab somewhere.
According to a source I forgot, the parts were sent to the railroad that owns saddletank #65, the boiler and chassis still remain though
Stanier did end up cutting up a collection of preserved former Midland Railway locomotives that were stored at Derby Works when he became CME of the LMS.
Also an ex-North London Railway 4-4-0T. All sad losses.
Midlothian most likely became an antiaircraft gun or a tank...the amount of steel components in an aircraft is astoundingly small (landing gear struts, and the crankshaft and engine camshafts is the extent of steel used in most aircraft!). In a military aircraft, the guns, also...aircraft grade aluminum alloys are far more suitable for aircraft usage (they weigh less).
Midlothian: I like to think they won the Battle of British with me cock flange.
Muffin: I think Spitfires were made from aluminium.
Midlothian:Oh. It was all for naught!
Also, BEDT 15’s sister engines are all still around. The closest to their original home and one I’ve actually seen is BEDT 16, at the Railroad Museum of Long Island.
Even one of thier diesel’s is still around. It’s painted for the New York Central despite never working for it, but she’s in a part on Manhattan’s upper west side.
Why was she painted for New York Central
@@fanofeverything30465 probably because it's more recognizable
@@Fandom_Junkie I guess
I love your railroad tycoon music your playing in the background plus nice video and you have a great voice:)
Honestly, I really am fine with Strasburg rebuilding No.15 into Tho as for a variety of reasons
1. Thomas is practically the reason most people nowadays get into trains (including myself)
2. BEDT 15 is technically still the same, but with a Thomas cover on PLUS it helped increase his water capacity.
3. Foamers need to seethe and cope lol
What are foamers
@@fanofeverything30465You’ll find out soon enough
About the Thomas conversion; sometimes you just have to take one for the team:-)
To be fair, the UK has a lot of better Thomas style trains (including an "official" one designated by the Rev W Awdry), but the particular one chosen was from a miniature railway in Yorkshire (the Kirklees Light Railway, now "Whistlestop Valley"), and the locomotive in question (Hawk) wasn't actually intended to be Thomas or even pass as an 0-6-0T - it just gets decorated that way for DOWT events because it is blue.
PS if you didn't like the "Thomas", wait until you see the "Percy" (Badger) or "Toby" (Tram No.7)... :P
Nice to see some from my area north wales. Would like to see more of north wales railways being talked about. Espesially seeing im from Deiniolen north wales by the Llanberis quarry.
Wanamaker Kempton and Southern 65 is a similar survivng Porter saddle tank engine and at one point was painted up as BEDT 15
Same with Valley Railroad No. 2 and BEDT No. 14, H.K. Porter made a lot of locomotives with a similar design to BEDT No. 15 so I’m glad we have a few more with us.
Don’t forget that pieces of Midlothian were used on a tender converted into a snowplough
I can forgive the Strasburg. BEDT #15 didn't have the water capacity originally and they struck a deal with Britt Alcroft to build Thomas after Britt used their railroad for the Magic Railroad movie. Watch Thomasdottvs video on it if your wondering Strasburg Thomas has always been my favorite.
I'd say number 15 hasn't been scrapped. A good amount of her original parts are still used on the locomotive, and if I'm not mistaken they still have some of the parts from before her conversion
As a DM&IR Yellowstone fan, it breaks my heart about what happened to Yellowstone No. 221, all the same it is gratifying that the three that are saved were saved.
Would anyone agree that the BR class 22 fits this list, one was paid for and was 'preserved' but the shed it was stabled at wasn't told so, and it was scrapped. To stop complaints from the owner the gave him for a similar price a class 42 warship.
If this gets a part 2 you should include T&P 638, a 2-10-4 that was supposed to be put on display but was scrapped due to vandalism
C&O 2-8-4 #2701 is another one that went the same way.
Greetings from Russia. Well in our country very few steam locomotives older than 70 years are preserved. Back in the days - during Soviet times - there was a try of creating the National Museum. Still that idea never happened. The situation with DMUs and EMUs is even worse.
Midlothian was the greatest loss in preservation in the UK along with the shortsightedness not to preserve the last Johnson Midland Belpaire. Both were beautiful excellent locomotives in their own right. I would have payed with my high teeth to have seen both of them run.
Along with Silver Link (the original A4, and one they _did_ legitimately try to save, but couldn't afford), definitely. Such a shame on all three of those counts. 🙁
Love the video and joined the discord :) also the ffestiniog railway inspired the maine narrow gauge
(No. 5 and 4 spots) They were in so much suffering, the railways had to put them down.
(No 3) The two engines waited for someone to take them and look after them. But fate had other plans.
(No. 2) I don’t think it was a bad thing that #15 being made into a Thomas replica isn’t bad, because it just simply keeps an old engines surviving, yet in a new life if that makes any sense. Dang!
(No. 1) I just do not understand how even such amazing engines performance wise get scrapped. That just confuses and frustrates me!
number 15: thomas the tank engine.
I've been waiting for something like this for months
Surprised Grand Trunk 5629 wasn't listed, but good video.
Thomas with outside cylinders looks rather good IMHO
The NER, as the successor to the historic Stockton and Darlington Railway, had a museum from the 1880s. It's were the City of Truro ended up. Due to the cost of needed to put in broad gauge track and the difficulty in getting them to York are probably the reasons that North Star and the Lord of the Isle didn't get preserved.
Mhm i think NER museum is the one at york now the National Railway Museum.
Also NER best pre grouping railway.
@@davidty2006 right on both counts, although the location has changed.
@@davidty2006 great western is the best long live Brunel
@@ThunderClawShocktrix the good old Greasy Wet and Rusty :)
But really in 1905 no railways would have been interested in preserving other companies' engines. So as no museums were interested, the GWR simply cut the engines up. City of Truro's preservation came many years later; in fact in 1905 it was just a few years old and had only just reached its record-breaking speed of around 100 mph.
At a lot of Day Out With Thomas events, Thomas is in fact just a dummy engine pushed by a diesel on the other end of the train.
A shame it had to be the Midlothian that was sacrificed in WW2, especially after her resurrection.
How do you think they decided which locomotives were sacrificed
The Craggy Mountain Railway has Toby and Diesel, but no Thomas, near Asheville NC.
add to the list D6319 which was bought by the Diesel Traction Group only to be cut up by accident by Swindon works
I fully agree with #15 becoming Thomas. The Strasburg Railway is one that is so important to preserving steam locomotives. It it means a locomotive has to be turned into thomas to support them, I understand it. And it's a smart idea, too. I applaud them for their genius.
*Railroad*
@@Train_Tok_Man so? Means the same thing.
@@realcanadian67It’s the Strasburg RailROAD, not the Strasburg Railway.
It’s been Railroad for them since 1832.
Also, there is a difference between Railroad and Railway. Check out this video:
ruclips.net/video/a_OeN_pdJxw/видео.html
@@Train_Tok_Man I don't know much about Strasburg, and I just took what I know from my vocab and used it instead. Over here up north, it's all railways. Ive been desensitized too it. Sorry I called it a railway, but for me there really isn't a difference. Different cultures, yah know?
@@realcanadian67 Understandable.
8:33 for your info, there are two parts of Lord of the Isles left- the driving axle with cracks and both driving wheels stands proud in the foyer of the STEAM Museum in Swindon (where the replica North Star resides), with one of the nameplates alongside
A replica of Iron Duke and similar class Fire Fly both names were the same as the Class resides at Didcot Railway Centre, Oxfordshire
@@andyaccount I know, lucky enough to have ridden behind both!
As a railroad and industry historian myself i am not mad about 15. I mean 1 i mean ahhhhhh. Its still 15. They cut the saddle tanks put side tanks but the boiler the cylinders the smoke box the wheelset. Every mechanical part is still 15. Brit Alcroft from thmoas and friends who made the movie thomas and the magic railroad was shot there and 475 is the rainbow sun. So thomas is funded by the thomas and friends franchise. So it is the USAs only self powered "show funded" thomas. So blame the British not the amish lol
It is quite a shame that the Moel Tryfan locomotive is gone. All though, this would be kind of rare to type or tell you. That if you watched a train series called, "World's Greatest Train Ride Video?" The Ffestiniog Railway and the Locomotive "Linda" were actually on that episode of Wales. If you that on RUclips or a VHS of Scotland and Wales it'll show parts of Ffestiniog Railway and Locomotive Linda were on Tv being famous.
Man losing a Yellowstone is a blow.. much less several that were displayed than taken.
WELL WE GOT ONE BACK SO IT WAS A LIFR FOR A LIFE IN THE END.
I would just like to say that that picture of William Stanier is absolutely terrifying.
Fun fact the i first found out about the iron duke when i played railway empire (specifically the GB and Ireland DLC)
Have you done BR Class 42 D818 "Glory"? That was a preserved engine that was scrapped due to the same reason as DM&IRR 221.
Holy shit I didn’t know DM&IR 221 was supposed to be preserved! That means we ALMOST could have had a running example of one today!!!
Edit: You said Proctor and Duluth wrong, the second O in Proctor is pronounced as an E, and Duluth is pronounced Duh-Looth
Well we lost one 2-8-8-4 and we then got one more 2-8-8-4 it is even.
#15 is now a blue tank engine with the number 1 of his side tanks
Yeah But cant blame the locals blame the British. Coming here looking for paradise but get a bird in hand and blue ball cause they couldn't find intercourse on their way to lancaster. Yes i lived in Kinzer pa fir 5 years zooming out on Google maps is hilarious hell strasburgs 10 minutes away so zooming out there would give you the same results. All those town exist. I have a intercourse pa bumper sticker on my truck cap lol.
yea
I honestly didn't know that Thomas was build after another locomotive I thought he was build on his own If that makes sense. It's cool actually
We have our story of a scrapped preserved steam locomotive here
Introducing PNKA (now PT.KAI) B5138 (Im gonnal call Her 38) was one of the 2 Cylinder compound B51 Class who works daily on a local suburban service. Her work condition was.. Well, crappy. The coaches She used to pull were mostly dirty, ugly and just basicaly in a bad shape. She got many donour parts from Her sisters who lives with 38 at Rangkasbitung, Banten. When the line She served was finally Dieselized in the 1980s, She was put to the sidelines awaiting for scrap. Then, a miracle happened. She was brought in to the National Museum (We call it Monas) in Jakarta and was put on display as a part of a festival that was going on there. However, as the festivals were moved to Kemayoran (not quite far if I remember correctly) some irresponsible shit scrapped Her on sight
*That
Here is one thing I bet you never heard this. The Pennsylvania Railroad actually owned some Articulated steamers, but, they are not newly built. They were formerly Norfolk & Western Y3 which became the Pennsylvania railroad's HH1.
Personally, im not against the BEDT 15 being turned into thomas for two reasons, one: there are a couple more BEDT locomotives including porter designs scattered around the us so i dont see why people get upset about this, two: i find it nice they wanted to bring thomas to life, plus the thomas is the only functional thomas in the us, plus the replica came the hight of thomas's popularity so i see it as a way of honoring the original model series of thomas.
I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't mention B&O EM-1 #7600 which was supposed to be preserved and sent to the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Museum but the Yardmaster misunderstood the order and sent it to be scrapped instead. Leaving the last B&O Yellowstone locomotive to be lost to time
It wasn't technically ever preserved even though it was SUPPOSED to be
@@fanofeverything30465 fair enough
You forget Richard Jenson's 2 engines 1 of them more tragic then the other. CB&Q 5632 and the sad one GTW 5629
What happened
ruclips.net/video/J9BH8sJ1t5U/видео.html&feature=share
@@fanofeverything30465 5629 will probably be in a second entry in this series, but the short version is that Chicago commuter railroad Metra told him that they weren't going to let him keep it on the storage track in their yard any more, then didn't let him remove it before their drop-dead date for getting it off the property, and then cut it up for scrap despite not owning it or having any legal right to do so. Outright theft, that.
@@rdfox76 I hope they got jailed
There was a Southern Pacific 2-8-2 Mikado No. 743 that was built in 1921 and retired in 1957 and was donated to the City of Lafayette, LA and placed on static display in Gerard Park, Unfortunately she fell victim to neglect and vandalism and by February 1978 the City simply scrapped her on site without even offering her to a single museum, It is also pointed out that she actually wasn’t the first steam engine donated to the City Morgan’s Louisiana & Texas Railroad & Steamship Company American Type 4-4-0 Sabine was previously donated to the City only to be left abandoned and eventually scrapped in 1942. This could be a candidate for a Part 2.
Who was
Southern Pacific 743.
743 was a sister engine of Southern Pacific 745.
If they'd offered her to a museum she could have been repaired
Hey Darkness what are the names of the background music you use in these videos?
If I am hearing it correctly, it is the soundtrack to Railroad Tycoon 2:
ruclips.net/video/snB5vGPa1H4/видео.html
@@theenigmaticst7572 thank you so much
Could you please do a video on ships that were preserved but then scrapped
There are some few engines that were preserved in nsw but scrapped such as the D58 ( only the tender survived), preserved NSW climax engine was scrapped except for the boiler on display in NSW north coast,
the US Shay locomotives of Wolgan valley Commonwealth oil corporation (Shay no1 was replaced by Shay no4 and was scrapped in 1910 and used as a stationary boiler in Glen Davis, shay 2,3 &4 were still in service until 1932 when great depression had struck. The mighty Shays were then left to rust and n peace. But were soon scrapped by government and the newnes line dismantled in 1940. The only parts the survived were the tender, Shay beams and Shay engine pipes along the glow-worm tunnel walk)
Buba got his hands on #15.
Honorable mentions:
C&O 2701
T&P 638
N&W 2174
What's the story behind those
DIMR 227 is one of the famous of the Yellowstone.
Since BEDT 15 is in this video does that mean Irish Pete (rebuilt into Tom Rolt) would be a ideal canidate for a future video
To be fair, I respect how you feel about the Thomas-ified BEDT no. 15 engine and I'm not entirely upset nor offended about it. It's not uncommon you hear railfans complain about the railroad ruining the engine's historical significance. I mean you can't please everyone, unless you come up with an idea where both parties can win and be happy.
But truth be told, there are some details to note about that I don't think anyone has said that I want to share: Strasburg DID originally wanted to keep no. 15 in its original condition and use for excursion runs. The only modification they would've done was convert it to burn coal instead of oil like it originally was, however, the problem with it was that it couldn't hold enough water supply to make a full 45-minute round trip on the line and they didn't want to constantly refill it every round trip they made. Which is why, when they rebuilt it to resemble Thomas in 1999, they didn't go as far to Leaman Place Junction as the usual trains did. They only stopped halfway on the line beyond Groff's Grove.
But there was a time when they did actually drove Thomas as far as Carpenter's Crossing, which was only for a Japanese exclusive VHS special that none of us Americans and Canadians knew any about at the time, as we only had the 10 Years of Thomas video special to go on about as kids. It wasn't until the start of the 2020s when Covid hit, Strasburg went above and beyond for all future DOWT events to drive Thomas all the way over to Leaman Place and back to East Strasburg - the rest is history from there onwards as we all know.
Not many railfans actually know about this, but some remedies of the original parts that BEDT no. 15 had actually still exists to this day - the oil bunker and saddle tank most notably. It's just that there's not at Strasburg Railroad anymore as they were sold off to the Wanamaker, Kempton, and Southern Railroad to use as parts for another H.K. Porter tank engine, no. 65, but this didn't happen, and they can still be seen sitting outside the shops to this day. (In fact, that one photo that was presented in this video is none other than WKS RR no. 65 dressed up to look like BEDT no. 15). So not all hope is totally lost for no. 15, it's just that they can't rebuild it to what it previously was from what it went through almost 30 years ago.
I hope this information helps out a little more on clarifying BEDT no. 15's backstory and why it is as it continues to be. Again, I'm not totally upset by this, it's not much of a big deal for me, it's just that I've been accustomed to other people's opinions about the locomotive.
90% of the time you CAN'T come up with a solution where both parties can be happy
"Ffestiniog" was beautifully pronounced Sir Darkness 👍
One more fkn Thomas, just what we really needed.
would have thought GTW 5629 would have been #1 but it didn't even make the list.
She got her own video, that beats having a #1 on a list.
@@Steamer96 thanks, i'll look for it. i'm sure mr. the curse's take on it is worth hearing.
Are we gonna mention UP 838 is going to be scrapped once all the parts are used on 84r
Iron Duke did make a small cameo in The RWS, too bad he couldn’t be saved in real life…
You should tell the story of Canadian National 5700 where it was marked for preservation but accidentally scrapped so they took 5703 and renumbered it to be 5700
Hey Darkness, where'd you the information on how Strasburg funds their operations?
fun fact no.15 was the basis of porter from the cgi series
With you mentioning edt 15 What about that video of EDT 15 boiler test
That shit scarred me for life
Did it show the face open like a smokebox door
@@fanofeverything30465 i wish
Damn face melted in the most demonic way because of the face design
I believe there is 1 video of it on RUclips
@@cathli_fox Jezz
What about the mess up that took place regarding B&O/CSXT 8595? Does Larry's still have her or has she been scrapped?
Request for the next part: C&O K-2 #1189
She was the last surviving 2-8-2 Mikado from the C&O, and she was cut up in the 1970’s. Pretty sad. The K-2’s were truly underrated.
Why was she scrapped
@@fanofeverything30465 She was scrapped due to extreme vandalism.
@@bean_bttf3 Poor thing 😢
@@fanofeverything30465 Yeah ☹️. It’s so sad she’s not with us anymore. She was the last of her kind, a real brute of an engine.
@@bean_bttf3 Indeed When a railway decides to scrap a whole class it's upsetting and annoying but it's understandable in the sense that, as much as I don't want to say it, scrapping makes more money than preservation but when the last surviver of a class is supposedly saved, as stated in the video, for future generations to enjoy and appreciate but winds up destroyed anyway it's heartbreaking and infuriating
That last locomotive that was scrapped twice. Most aircraft in the second world war were made out of aluminum, scrapping the train to get steel I don't think would have helped much. Maybe the steel went into tanks?
I'd like number 15 back... But then I realize that nothing matters in the long run, so I ain't to upset about it
The asprinal class 27/28/29 is another member of who was supposed to be preserved but was scrapped too so there's a replica
Do you know the story
There's got to be some preserved diesels that were scrapped anyway
Um, wouldnt Espee's 4-8-8-2 Cab Forwards "Technicly" still be considered a Yellowstone type?
No because The Whyte classification is organized by the wheels front to back. For example the Pacific wheel arrangement means:
4 leading wheels
6 driving wheels
2 trailing wheels
So the Yellowstone wheel arrangement means:
2 leading wheels
8 driving wheels
8 driving wheels
4 trailing wheels
The Cab Forwards wheel arrangement means:
4 leading wheels
8 driving wheels
8 driving wheels
2 trailing wheels
*hears you have a son while thinking that you are a college student* Wow i was way off
Wow, I thought you were like 25
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The Number 15 in it's original form looks like little Joe which is a Life Like N gauge model locomotive.
I believe that another British locomotive that almost made preservation was one of John Aspinall's Class 7 Atlantic express engines known as the 'Highflyers' for the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway. I recall reading this somewhere but I'm unable to find the definitive proof. Perhaps someone can verify.
OMG the Thomas replica so cute
Nobody can escape death, not even the locomotives
So if Strasbourg Thomas is no.15 then what engine did they use to make they're Percy or is it just a unpowered dummy
It’s unpowered
You can't really say that Moel Tryfan was preserved. It was just one of several ex-Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland engines left to rust away in the sheds when the FR finally went bust in 1946. Three of the Festiniog's 0-4-0s nearly suffered the same fate, but were eventually rebuilt. The Southwold Railway's engines suffered a similar incarceration after it closed in 1929.
i live in grand rapids ohio,the tle&w did run 15 several times
The NBR/LNER Atlantic should still have been here. We need more British Atlantics. We only have 2 and they both aren't running.
I volunteer at the Colorado Railroad mueasum .
And are biggest event is Thomas.
Well Darkness, WW2 Couldn't be helped the RAF needed metal to build planes to defend themselves from the Luftwaffe, Ever saw the 1969 Battle of Britain Movie, they kind of tell the story from bothsides between the RAF & Luftwaffe and how the RAF fought hard to keep the People of London safe from the Blitz.
Moel (think Noel) Tree-van. F in Welsh is a 'v' (Ff is 'f') and every letter or dipthong is pronounced.
9:29 that’s Safe Harbor Water Power Co. No. 65 mocked up as 15