Troubled Turboprops
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- Опубликовано: 31 дек 2015
- A succession of storms with strong winds has produced some exciting times at airports this winter.
This video shows the problems experienced by the various prop-powered airliners which visit BHX, as the turbulence knocks them around on approach.
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What I saw was some damn fine landings in extreme conditions. Congrats to the pilots.
white zebra Yes really. Landing in gusty cross winds it's not only about rudder control, throttle and other factors are involved. How many hours do you have in twins in stiff cross winds?
white zebra you have no idea about cross wind landing...
Moonshine Buck holy shit...
@@esssnake5741 I think he insulted the Female F-35 and Navy pilots.
@black zebra no, they are dealing with some serious cross wind. Those pilots are showing some actual skill.
The time when the crosswind is so strong that the pax can see the runway centerline
+mattfgln Thats another way of describing crabbing.
+mattfgln I had exactly that experience sitting in the rear of a Dash 8 coming into BHX one year ago. I could see straight down the centreline as we crabbed in, then plonked it down and kicked it straight at the last second. Guess the pilots earn their wages on days like that!!
bartspants passengers
1 very wobbly vic, 28 scared shitless pax, redcon 1 for defecation.
+mattfgln 9-4-2004, landing in Tampa, as Frances was making landfall in Miami. I was that pax. Port side, just behind the wing. Bad ass. (and he buttered it).
Flew in Turboprop late eighties into Aspen. On approach a downburst was so strong it dropped us on the runway and due the pilot skills he got a sitting ovation. Unforgettable.
Any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing!
+Buttermybutt Are those the standards that you uphold?
lol right you are! i think a lot people take these videos a little to seriously.
Alborz A great landing is when a passenger is still going to fly by plane in the future
Any landing where the aircraft is usable the next day is a great landing ! (Chuck Yeager )
Buttermybutt I really wish people would stop saying that 😂
I'm looking forward to the sequels: Terrified Turbofans and Scared Scramjets
Petrified Pistons
Rocked ramjets
Pissed plasmajets
Pissed pants pulsjet
incapacitated ions
Unphased UFOs!
2:35 beautifully done
There’s nothing “troubled” about -8; ATRs, etc landing in crosswinds. Great job by the pilots.
Q400 is a lovely turboprop, strange design that i really like ...
Renard Feuer honestly its such a good looking bird
A like ATR. So good fly in ATR aircraft you feel really safe
@@pabloejimenez yeah, because being slammed into the ground every landing feels really safe doesn't it
Its beautiful
@@AverageAlien its windy you bone head
Great video. Makes one realize how sensitive to crosswind these smaller ships are. On the other hand they can glide for much longer than a heavier jet, or so I've been told.
1:29 fantastic how it is moving in the air. Engineering, human reactions and nature amazing how these three are working together.
Regardless of the crosswind, every touchdown is straight on the centre line!
Their trouble is being small and light, not the fact they are turbo props
Yeah but most turboprops are light, so that's why he said that
Yeah but they’re turboprops and they’re troubled so it’s a valid title
I only flew a few times in a turboprop, but with very bad weather and rain the brake very quickly. My nearest airport is horrible for landings, one time the A320 needs to try 4 times landing at the airport, and two times is the normal, very few times they land in the first approximation. But with the turboprop, ATR42/74, they do at first approximation, always.
The aircraft is litteraly one of the hardest plane to fly and land bruh
@@spleezc8170 What about the car? Ever landed a car before?
Commuter pilots earning their bread and butter...
yea that's about all they get paid too. ahaha
i highly doubt that they're getting paid anything rn
Some of them paid not much as public transportation subway and bus operators. That one pilot in Buffalo, that caused a crash, was making 34K a year, pathetic.
It's true that commuter pilots pay is pretty poor... but the flight hours logged are abssolutely priceless! :)
I knew one of those type of pilots back in the late 80’s. His wife and my wife worked together and so we hung out. I cringed when he told me how little they make as the main company holds that carrot out in front of them. It was the only way to get into the bigger planes kind of like a farm team in baseball. The funniest thing ever though was the first time we were over at their house for dinner and then some drinking and party on. So he motions for me to go down the hallway with him, we step into the room and he says he has a surprise for me. That’s when he points out that on the bookshelf he’s got two fat lines of coke and yes I was surprised lol
So I said I have a surprise for you as well lol. That’s when I showed him my badge lol. You should have seen his face all the colour drained out of it and I thought he was going to pass out lol. So he didn’t do anything but stare at me for the longest 10 seconds ever lol. Then he snapped out of it and handed me a rolled up $50 bill. So I did what any of my fellow LAPD brothers back in the day would have done, one line up one nostril and one line up the other lol
I handed him the $50 and said thank you as I walked down the hallway lol back to the ladies lol
It's nice to see all the RUclips Pilot aerospace/engineers hard at work dissecting these landings from the comfort of thier living rooms,
At least they are trying to participate rather than being good little consumers of produced things.
@@gblargg What do you mean?
@@thecaynuck4694 J E is criticizing people for discussing the topic because they aren't in his elite group of pilots/engineers. He'd apparently rather that they just be mere consumers of information from them and not attempt to understand it themselves. This is disappointing gatekeeping behavior because every engineer began by trying things beyond themselves, most as children. Anyone in the field should welcome others trying to take part in general discussions like this.
Better there than on one of those planes lol. And I thought they all did remarkably well considering. Straight down the centre line for each one so good job 👍
@@gblargg well said bravo. Seriously well said. Exactly what I was thinking only you said it better lol
Honestly the skills of these pilots are astonishing. Nothing troubled at all. Just extreme conditions and very well trained professional pilots handling it every second! Awesome.
Mad respect for the pilots to land safely in strong winds
I do appreciate the slow mo when the gear touches down 👌👍 thumbs up for sure
Crazy to watch. But in heavy crosswinds (which is the whole reason these look so crazy) - one wheel at a time is the correct technique. Great video!
Beautiful footage!! Also thanks for keeping the frequency clear - no music :)
Loved those slo-mos!
3:34 was quite exciting as well! :O
It’s great to know that when its “game on” flybe pilots can still really fly there aircraft by the seat of their pants, so good to see in this day and age of everything controlled by the aircraft, just some fantastic flying.
Great flying skills, but what's really impressive is the camera skills! Crystal clear, beautifully focused, flawless panning. You sir have skills, was a joy to watch!
3:50 when the ping in war thunder is 900
Dr.Medic man of medicine Oh my god someone understands
saadly XD
OMG
YES!
😂😂😂
Great airmanship! Crosswind landings are just part of the game.
Great video, you've got some good spotting locations at that airport. Also like the way you filmed some place out of the wind and just overlayed that audio, nice one!
I've been a passanger in lousy weather on a dash 8 a number of times, including several landings with the "land on one wheel, then bounce, then pray" method. I'm always thankful when all three wheels are finally down. It doesn't usually feel quite as bad in the cabin as it looks in these vids.
Everyone hug the pilot!
Спасибо за подборку. Великолепные погодные условия. Всем пилотам спасибо!
These videos are absolutely amazing. Would love to purchase any snaps or video of any of my landings at BHX if you do such a thing. Currently on the Dash 8 and fly around 5 days a week.
Hopeful, Tim
The crosswind technique used in some companies for TURBOPROPS prior to flaring:
1. Rudder to straighten down the runway,
2. Bank into wind to compensate for drift,
3. Touchdown on the upwind main wheels,
4. Hold aileron into wind for remainder of rollout.
Takes a while to master, but works really well. Unfortunately passengers can be put off by the yawing motion as you straighten the aircraft initially with rudder, but safety considerations far outweigh passenger comfort in these situations.
I'll verbalise my intentions out loud on final as soon as I can identify the windsock. Helps prep my brain and muscles to respond appropriately and gives the other pilot a chance to hear my game plan if the conditions weren't previously briefed.
I have been a pilot for more years than I care to remember and I would proudly sit in the right seat for any of these Captains.
Might be faster than rail or road but watching this video I know which I prefer. Great film.
Good luck getting across Atlantic by road. :)
Yeah I don't think you're getting across the Atlantic in a turboprop either.
3rdalbum u can though lol
These are tiny turboprops... of course they are gonna be shoved like feathers...
not to mention it was all fucking cgi. not one real clip. when you work with animation for ten years, you spot this shit quickly.
My favourite was the Flybe Q400 at 2:50. Super video! Liked and subscribed :) Greetings from Canada!
One of only few using a good crosswind technique!
Great pilot skills. These guys are really good and obviously well trained.
That last one, wow! Some great flying by these pilots!
When you first get tutorial planes in any Flight simulator game
These and endgame planes my guy
Watch it again but pay attention to the rudder action, it's awesome going lock to lock.
+Jim Foreman That was the thing I noticed too. I always understood it was best to limit rudder use, but they didn't have much choice here. Crazy rides and great pilots!
+Peter Kelly Most if not all modern aircraft have integrated rudder limiting systems. The systems use airspeed information (airspeed ranges) to stop rudder travel at preset deflection limits, thus reducing stress on the vert. stabilizer. At approach and landing speeds the pilots have full rudder deflection authority. However, as you said, it is good practice to take it easy, especially going lock to lock!
Is 'rudder action' a porn site?
it has an airbus fly by wire control, which means every action taken by the pilot must go through a committee in brussels, then to toulose, then must be cleared with Angela merkel to ensure no immigrants are offended by the movement of the control surface, once cleared it goes back to the control servo of the aircraft, and may or may not do what the pilot intends it to do.. he's probably too busy doing sensitivity training on his lap to to be flying anyways... I'll stick to the Q400 any day.. besides.. It's STOL performance can clear a 50 tall block of EU protesters with only a 600 foot runway at MTOW with no head wind.. And .. it automatically clears the toilets when over Molenbeek.. brilliant aircraft..
Back when I had the Fokker, other pilots were always wanting to trade rides with me in our planes. One guy I knew was a good pilot had a gyrocopter and we decided to swap rides. I did a cockpit check with him and off he went in the Fokker. When he returned he did the same with me, telling me that it didn't respond quickly to control inputs and I should just wait and it would do what I wanted. I got it up to speed on a taxiway and eased back on the stick... nothing happened but the whap-whap-whap sound changed. I had pretty well given up when all of a sudden it hopped off the ground. I gingerly got it back down, taxied back to where he was waiting and told him I could log 20 seconds of rotary wing time.
Geez, those last few seconds that were sped up seriously freaked me out! lol
What a great video!!!
Sick rudder action! These gentlemen are smashing their pedals.
2:43 to 3:00 Just BOSSING Things!✌
What is the oddity at 1:31 ? It has the main wing of a Dash 8, but neither the face nor tail of one.
Also the ATR before it probably should have had a Go-Around.
Fokker Friendship F27
ScarletLightning565 I think a Fokker 50. It says '50' next to the tail window at 1:56 Must be quite an old plane by now.
Fokker 50 :) VLM was the last Operator of them here in Europe. Unfortunately they've been retired now :(
These guy's and Gal's certainly earning their money, got to love the professional pilots!
I flew in to Kennedy many years ago, and noticed that the aircraft (DC9?) was landing sideways. Woke me right up!
3:45 looks like a Ed Wood special effect. lol
they are just landing in strong cross winds. there is nothing wrong with aircraft.
Gene, there's something wrong with the PIC who chooses to risk hull loss, and more importantly, injury and possible death to his or her passengers. That's why we fly to alternate airports. That first landing is a royal death bomb. I can understand some mitigating circumstance but it seems to me, at least the first landing was the pilot showing machismo. I would've been tempted to deck him when I walked off.
@@johannesbols57 Ur an idiot
@@johannesbols57 Maybe that _was_ their alternate
Best crosswind aircraft landing video iv'e seen yet. Superb picture quality perfect background sound and the slow motion segments couldn't have been timed any better. Very well done!!!!!!!!!!!
brilliant footage thankyou
1:17 R.I.P. Monarch
That’s air lingus
earning their pay packets :)
Nicely compiled. Awesome flying skills! Would love to see the stick and rudder work in those cockpits! What a handfull ! Amazing. They didnt go around. Very cool
Awesome video, much appreciated.
Plane at 2:04 with lights behind props looks as fighter bomber from WW2 with machine guns in wings :)
Well when the blade is spinning it does
Every controlled landing with a Q400 is an achievement..
Man I hate those planes.. I wish saab would bring the 2000 back.
Man the local regional here uses them and man, hit a pocket of low pressure in those or wrong gusts of wind it feels like it's sinking out of the sky lol
Super nice video thanks !
I see pilots that are landing difficult planes in the most severe conditions. These are the pilots that will soon be wrestling the big heavy planes to the ground. I applaud you all.
last shot looks silly :P
do the turboprops play a big role in this? in other words, if they were regular jet engines would this still happen?
You could have the same situation with any plane.
Yep. Same for small 2-seat planes and large jumbos. You can see similar videos from HongKong airport with dancing 747-s.
Dan Ivanov Yes it doesn happen with jets. There are some spectacular videos of jumbos coming in to land almost sideways.
The main problem is with high wing and T tail aircraft. They don't handle crosswinds as well as low wing aircraft. The Saab 340 is a turbo prop and it's shit hot in crosswinds.
These lighter aircraft have lower landing speeds than the big boys, so the
crosswinds are a larger proportion of forward speed, and the effects are more pronounced. Slow the landing speed enough, and the airplane would have to crab almost directly into the cross wind to maintain the runway centerline on approach.
These incredible pilots deserve all our respect !! The guys are awesome !!
I agree!!! I have always wanted to learn to fly...but not sure how well I would handle conditions like this. I know even in a little Cessna or similar private aircraft you train for crosswind landings...but the bulk of the landings in this video are right on the edge of being a go around and possible divert to a calmer wind Airport. Great job flight crews...thankful I was not behind the controls...and not sure I would have handled being a passenger very well either. I may just stick to my flight sim where I can never end up killing myself or anyone else. In my flight sim...I turned up my crosswind to 50 knots, hoped in my Cessna 172, and about hovered in for a landing (after a few crash resets of course), but I think max crosswind legally flyable landing is about 15 to 20 knots if I remember correctly. It was actually just about as difficult to keep the plane from blowing of the runway when I tried to reduce my power and taxi to the ramp as it was to get it down on the runway. Something else I could never master on the sim was trying to land the V-22 Osprey...the military twin blade vertical take off and landing troop and supply carrier. It flies like a plane but has to land like a helicopter because it's blades would strike the ground if not rotated vertically for take off and landing. Some special skills required for that 🐦!
All bar one of these are high wing. High centre of lift, lower C of G, and landing at what appear regional airports: likely less choice of runway in conditions of cross-wind. Hats off to the pilots! As a passenger I would feel quite excited and confident. I love turboprops.
Dude at 2:05 bought his pilot license on ebay :/
Basically how I fly during a sunny day in perfectly weather in perfect conditions
+JordanCO_ TV Lol
+[̲̅G̲̅][̲̅A̲̅][̲̅M̲̅][̲̅E̲̅][̲̅S̲̅] [̲̅&̲̅] [̲̅M̲̅][̲̅O̲̅][̲̅R̲̅][̲̅E̲̅] Sometimes pilots just have to slam the planes on the runways hard which bleeds off the drifting tendencies, also helps with the traction on the main gears.
+Tim Wynn Incorrect
+[̲̅G̲̅][̲̅A̲̅][̲̅M̲̅][̲̅E̲̅][̲̅S̲̅] [̲̅&̲̅] [̲̅M̲̅][̲̅O̲̅][̲̅R̲̅][̲̅E̲̅] nope: this pilot choice to land without flaps : can be util in high wind speed condition , but this make the aircraft more difficult to fly at low speed
Drinking and piloting is be coming an epidemic in the piloting industry
Nice compilation!
Love that rudder work.
You did slow mo at just the right moments!
great camera work, I LOVE flybe, nice cabin crew.
I didn't see any crosswind landing techniques employed. What happens to pilots when they graduate to the bigger planes.....do they forget the basics? (Former Instructor)
Neil Cutten
Yes, it'a a good thing the pax don't realize the pilots in this video are greenhorns and haven't a clue. 9 out of 10 of these pilots will proudly laugh after landings like that and say, "DUDE !!!.....I have almost 2,000 hours! I'm a CFI and I still pitch for speed and throttle for glide angle!" Or, "DUDE !!! That's how my instructor taught me. And besides, the plane was DESIGNED to be landed this way!"
After watching this video, there's no wonder why I hear so many people say, "I'll fly in a big jet but totally hate to ride in those little "puddle jumpers!" It's because of some of clowns they have for pilots!
I've said this in another comment but once in something sized beyond a 172, sideslip landings are not normally done. It's not very hard to clip a wingtip or an engine. It's also weird for the passengers. Even in my Caravan days we were told no side slips for passenger sake.
As far as "power for glide path comment" I don't get it? That is what you do. Hold Vref with pitch and power for glideslope. Both just happen at the same time in my view. Especially if coupled.
Airliners are meant to take side loads on the gear.
Extraace - the Caravan is an awfully nice plane to fly! Whilst the turbine lacks the acceleration of a piston engine, the power delivery is pretty stunning (for one who used to fly 147's!) It says a lot that the pilot I went up with, used to fly Caravans for no money - he enjoyed the plane so much (it helped that he has "significant family wealth" I suppose! :-) )
Yes, it is good. That was probably the most fun flying of my career so far and it was my first "real" job. Inter island flying with great scenery, longest flight was an hour. But, unfortunately no family wealth here. It was fun but I could barely pay my bills and had to move on.
TURBOPROP "in" Troubled Weather...
wonderful. What a great example of excellent flying skills
Excellent films ! Thanks
Still better then Ryanair landings! Hmm ,not? Ok.
Good footage! Steady camera work, and not so steady landing approaches.
Little birds, BIG problems. Great vid!
Good video!!! thank you
is the last one real?
DD 7 it is timelapse
They're all fake
Very good video! Shows British pilots, airlines and weather at its best!
Almost all planes are Belgian : SN Brussels, VLM, fly.be. One Air Lingus plane. British ?
Beautiful footage! That's one hell of a crosswind. Yikes
2:40 is an absolute beautiful crosswind landing! Well done.
Dash 8 > ATR
400 right
Skinnyass planes
Commander Xorph Amen.
eriksic turbo prop dawg
Honestly this is the best part of flying. after hours of 10 degree turns left and right this is the pilots moment of glory to himself and the ppl onboard.
thank you for a great video
why are some runway built with hills so they are not even why dont they level the ground befor they make the runway
Because the Earth is not flat...
These videos are filmed shooting lengthwise down almost 2 miles of runway....it seems very hilly from this perspective in the video but in reality the hills are not even noticeable and the runways appear totally flat.
You don't want water flowing on the runway, let's not spend money and let gravity do the job...
3:15 though
The camera angle used here makes the runway look a lot more hilly than it really is. The smallest little undulation can look like a big hillcrest when you're looking at a few miles of runway lengthwise.
Great landings no troubled turboprops... Kudos to all the pilots in this video
Great landings. Pilots doing a very confident job.
The rudder action on these is epic. Brilliant piloting.
Miss those turboprops - great aircraft and extremely fast and efficient.
That video was breath taking thank you
2:40 show us your skill... show us your skill man. Simply Awesome!
very therapeutic. good job.
Awesome compilation. Pretty scary touchdowns.
I love the slow motion touch down!!!
Gorgeous!
Awesome display of skill, talent, and gonads.
I was on one that landed like that with a crosswind in South Dakota once. The pilot's door was open and we all were puckered up. It was shut at our next stop. These pilot's are amazing!
Very good video, congratulations!!!
Superb video !
This video is what I love about youtube. Thank you.
Crosswind landings can be very tricky. Some great flying in this video.
Great job by the copilot's using the prop brake and slo-motion throttle. The pilots use of right rudder and left steering wheel is epic too.
First of all..those French Canadians can really build an aircraft!....as for the Pilots, Bravo...Bravo...
that's how it's done....something A COMPUTER CAN NEVER DO.
The one thing in common in this video was great piloting. I'm a private pilot, planes on approaches for landings are flying slow and dirty. Dirty means the flaps are extended so the plane can fly at a slower rate of speed for landing, while maintaining lift. This creates drag. At a slow speed the plane responses are slower to turn corrections, much like a boats are when at trolling speed in water. In this video the planes are responding to high cross winds. These planes are crabbing (Angling the planes nose towards the direction of the wind) to keep the plane on the center line of the runway. With high crosswinds and wind gusts, this is no easy feat for any skilled pilot.