Thrust Vectoring | F-22 Raptor Vs Su-57 | Digital Combat Simulator | BOSS FIGHT | DCS |
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it is useless to see the dogfights between two 5th gen jets, bvr should be done
F-22 vs p-51
Can we get some viper or hornet love?
AV-8B VS F-35B
F-86 Sabre VS A-10 Thunderbolt II
MIG-29K VS SU-33
J-10 VS SU-27
MB-339 Aermacchi VS MIG-15
P-47 Thunderbolt VS SU-25 Frogfoot
Mirage F-1 VS Panavia Tornado
F-111 Aardvark VS MIG-27K
Please fly Planes on the left!🙏👍
My dad wants to see P-51 vs Me 262
Loving the addition of the active battle happening on the ground/sea while the dogfight goes on, very cool!
I was damn everyone going at it!
A couple of those missiles that GS thought was from the Felon were actually SAMs from the surface ships. A little extra pucker factor.
I’d like to see more of that.
@@benn454 basically means the battles are even harder now.
*Wing comes off*
> "Hydraulic failure"
The f22 is a glass half full kind of airplane
I mean, the hydraulics were technically not responding...
@@DonVigaDeFierro "what hydraulics"
Dude that final kill on the felon was absolutely incredible. Beautiful maneuvering.
Ya pretty cool how the f22 just drifts in and gets a gun kill. Such a beast
Wouldn’t it be great if countries settled their problems by a 1v1 aerial duel between their best pilot and aircraft.
Insane
@@kuryakin2483 be good if they were twin seaters, and have countries leader next to the pilot.
Biden won’t even survive the gs pulled💀@@daveyboy6985
It's insane how slowly those things can fly in that second dog fight it looks like they were just floating there I'm not surprised the F 22 fell into the water
thge thrust-to-weight ratio is 1.08 wthch 15 875 kgf each. This means that the thrust can displace the aircraft's own weight as if it were a helicopter
@@renatoigmed because america
@@maxfreedom1710Not exclusive to the f22. Su57 has >1 thrust to weight ratio too.
Knowbody really lnows about either of them
@@x-raygamma Not really true. Su57 only has 1:1 thrust to weight ratio on paper. These are the specifications for when it uses the "newer" engines. Currently no SU57 is equipped with the new engines, instead they use old SU35 engines.
I love how there’s a huge naval battle going on below them the whole time with a super carrier on fire and it never gets mentioned 😂
That carrier is way too close to shore . . . . The admiral will be fired if he survives the battle.
Also, if there was a carrier below, he'd have a bunch of F-35Cs up there helping him...
@gwcrispi mmm not necessarily. They could have been taken out with a first strike. Notice the carrier is already on fire and no telling what happened to the air wing.
@@kentchristen6048Carriers, contrary to what you might have heard (apparently?) do actually make port from time to time. And if he's in home port, then there typically wouldn't have been any aircraft embarked, either.
2 of the best Jets in the entire world fighting each other in a dog fight, a man couldn’t ask for much more 😪
As Always Thank you to Grinnelli for making the F-22 Videos possible, whos excited for the F-100? I think it will be nice to get some more Vietnam Era Aircraft into the sim, something that is very much needed.
Yep, it’ll be exciting!
My granddad flew the f100 so I'm excited to see how it flies
F-35 + Meteor vs Su-57 BVR PLEASE!!! (switching planes each round)
I can't wait for you to fly the A-1 when it comes to DCS. It's going to be some great content, much like everything else on this channel.
This was a beautiful video, those 2 planes are made to fight eachother it feels like, and the scenery very fitting.
The F22 is so dominant across all fights that it no longer feels interesting to ask "Who would win" but rather "What would it take to win over an F22 in x scenario?" or "What would have to be true for x platform to challange the F22?". What would happen if we changed altitude and fought in heavy cloud coverage as an example in this case?
Maybe start as usual and keep ramping up the difficulty as each round passes? Food for thought!
Anyways thanks as always for the awesome vid :)
i love how there’s just a huge naval battle happening below them and their casually fighting it out overhead lol.
I bet they had a hard time ignoring those naval missile tracks.
I love how they have such amazing turning ability they can end up completely turning around and fly backwards for a moment and still fly well, it's like watching a elegant dance in the sky
That has to be the Grinelli F-22 he's flying; it's an F-22 on steroids! It's the only Raptor that can fly that way! I've seen the Raptor fly at air shows, and it does not fly like this; I mean the G forces would crush the pilot. He's got a few videos flying it, and if you compare it to the other F-22 Raptor videos of his, you can tell it flies faster and turns tighter than a regular Raptor.
@@edwardking186 so there are different versions of the F-22? Didn't know that, that's pretty kuul
@@thaddeus5944 This is a one-of-a-kind Raptor that GS flies in some of the Raptor videos. It can accelerate and turn on a dime faster than a normal Raptor.
@edwardking186 You mean it turns faster than real F-22s are allowed to show at airshows.
@@edwardking186u a f22 raptor hater
I was working offshore in the gulf of Mexico when they had a practice dog fight directly above us. It was a couple F-18s and something else. It was amazing to watch! It's hard to understand just how powerful and maneuverable those aircraft are. The whole job shut down for about 10-15 minutes just to watch those guys. Beasts! Absolute beasts!
Thanks for chosing such a dynamic area to dpgfight in. Watching all of the action happening around you was awesome
F-22 Pilot: “I’ve sent you my AIM-120, please respond.”
f-22 sure loves doing backflips
GS, this is legitimately some of your best live commentary to date. It's ridiculous how thoughtful and articulate you are while in fights this close. Incredible video.
⚔🎦🗿I could feel Toxic's frustration getting lit up so soon after the merge 😂
There are unique jet emojis? I'm so confused
Yeah lol@@xierus
@@BonkyBob233how did you do that
@@xierus I'm guessing he's a member of the channel and it gives him those emojis
This was one of the best dogfights I've seen in a while. Absolutely amazing performance from both aircraft and it is insane how slow they get during these fights. That last gun kill was one of the cleanest things I've ever seen. Absolutely amazing job and keep up the awesome content and performance.
It's like 2 pieces of confetti drifting in the wind.
Trying to kill each other with missiles and guns.
4:00 crazy to see how slow they can take a fight to and still be able to turn and fight well
5th gens are no joke.
They can’t two circle though. All the AOA things are once circle.
yes, this In my opinion very accurate depiction of what their real dogfight could be: very steep turns, tremendous overG, guns as important as missiles. BUT the most important is how skilled the pilots would be: to win they need to master their aircraft and know what to expect from the rival.
GS, try to switch places and fly for Felon against F-22. Lets see how good can you be then?
@@teeanahera8949 most of those, yes, will be BVR fights, but in case all missiles fail, some planes will clash into close engagement, and there - skill is a deciding factor for survivability
I think there's a video where GS fly the Su57 vs F22 and he won
Both are so capable at dogfighting, and in my opinion, using whats publically available, the SU-57 is better, asits more maneuverable, as its designed to be amazing in WVR. But the difference is so minimal that its mostly down to the pilot and also whose on the offensive vs defensive.
Remember: you can outsmart a missile and you can outsmart a person. But I have yet to meet one that can outsmart BOOLET.
Heavy is that you?
@@SirAtesh yes it is me
That recovery from Toxic on the second encounter was gold!
I would like to see the G- forces displayed in the corner of the screen throughout the fight. In many of these fights, I wonder if the average pilot could sustain the positive and negative Gs over the course of the fight.
In these, probably without much issue. The first turn is gonna suck but after that, everything is at or below the stall speed of most modern fighters. They are making extremely tight turns, but aren’t going fast enough for it to result in a significant acceleration for the pilot.
The dogfights with 4th gen aircraft on the other hand, those would be a challenge. Especially prolonged two-circle fights where you’re sustaining 4+ Gs for minutes at a time.
Exactly this, the fight is so slow Gs shouldn’t be to much of an issue
Don't we see 'tunnel vision' and 'hic' breathing in some of the videos during high-G turns? That's what I though it was... maybe it isn't.
@@trs4uThat's exactly what it is.
That wasn't flying!
That was Stalling With STYLE!
Toxic is a hell of a pilot. Big props to him.
ALWAYS love me some F-22 videos.
Not sure there will ever be a good F-35 model, though, b/c the F-35 isn't about its kinematics, but about all of the absurd technology *inside* the cockpit (jamming, exceptional radar, communications with other aircraft, etc.).
Don't think that stuff will make it out in a long, LONG time.
Toxic is simply worse at dogfighting 💀
The F-22 has a lot of classified tech, yet grinelli managed to model it perfectly. Its very possible to correctly model the aircraft from the publicly available information.
@@traviswalker8933 nope. You cannot model the sensor fusion of the F-35 in DCS. You can't model the integration of the radar ground map with the EOTS map. You can't model the algorithms that automatically detect and classify each threat.
@@traviswalker8933perfectly? Idk about all that. Perfectly according to PUBLIC DATA yeah Maybe but definitely NOT the F-22s ACTUAL specs and still extremely classified systems. C'mon bro do better, use your brain.
@@Triggatra4258 did I say it was modeled as per it's actual specs? I said it was modeled perfectly as per the publicly available data. Maybe take the English comprehension classes you missed at highschool once again.
12:08 You gotta love how the Raptor can just Tokyo drift into a gun solution at the top. lol But I give credit to the Felon too. The 1st turn or 2 is scary capable. Great vid. Love the Naval battle going on.
So far there’s nothing better than a F-22 raptor.
So far f22, haven’t been in any fights whatsoever only on Internet 😂
@@konstantingaivoronskii3761neither jet tbf
9 : 08 Pretty sure those guys on the ships were not really paying attention to you. They looked quite busy throwing missiles and shells to each other ...😅
It's crazy watching these massive jets maneuver around each other like WWI bi-planes.
man the 22 from some angles looks like an alien craft and i love it
Watching these 2 jets maneuver the way they do is absolutely amazing.
the f22 is has always been and always will be my favorite plane ever created. it is an absolute wonder of the aviation world.
I remember seeing hud footage of an F15 many years ago and was amazed at the way it moved for such a large aircraft. And now we have the 22 that is way beyond the 15.
That f22 thrust to weight ratio is just alien man. the Su 57 just cant match. you were stalled then just put your nose straight up and it just climbed like a rocket, that is just insane.
That's why the Raptor is the superior dogfighter. They have similar turn rates but the thrust to weight of the F-22 is out of this world
What? The SU57 at this weight has the same power to weight ratio. The F22 just can not compete with the turn power of the SU57. In an older video Toxic did exactly the same thing.
@@cancelanime1507 Nah the Su57 is currently the most superior dogfighter. The SU57 beats it hopelessly in turn rate and has a similair power to weight ratio
@@dwarow2508 Ain't no way you're serious the turns rates are about the same did u not watch the video
And it’s crazy to realize that these are massive aircraft pulling off maneuvers like that. The F-22 is bigger than a semi truck, yet moves like a leave in mid air during a dogfight. The sheer thrust, power, and engineering of that thing is insane, and that’s just what we know of it. The most dominant air superiority fighter jet ever made.
This was by far the best visual battle you have had so far. I loved the Naval battle going on underneath. They even had a few missiles coming at you. More of this eye candy please and great work .
4:34
Imagine the T-50/Su-57 doing a celebratory flare dump, and bursting into flames 😂
What's amazing about the F-22 is it has its dogfighting dominance WITHOUT an off-boresight cuing helmet!
Knowing how good of a pilot Toxic is, I think it’s shows what an absolute monster F-22 is
he is not that good at flying the SU57 tho
@@unknown-user.955I concur
Eh, not really. The SU57 can basically teleport on your six easily. I have seen Toxic do better in an older video in the SU57
@@dwarow2508Yeah... no, it depends on the situation and the aircraft and pulit your up against, the maneuverability between these 2 aircraft isnt that significant, especially not at such low speeds.
@@rileymorrisroe6743 Yeah... no, the Su57 is by far the most manouverable out of the two and it is not even close, especially at such low speeds.
The F-22 is a magnificent bird. ❤️🇺🇸
I think I'll rewatch this video for a long time. From the map to the fight, it was all just perfect.
That is some interesting damage simulation: F22 gets a couple of hits entire wing disintegrated and falls from sky. SU57 gets stitched multiple times and looks like the pilot is enjoying his vape pen.
Part of that comes down to the cannon used, I think. The Russian GSh-30-1 is a nasty, _nasty_ motherfucker when it comes to individual hits. I think that's part of the reason the F-35 switched to the GAU-22/A, individual hits are getting more and more important than sheer volume of fire.
@@mikes989 Welcome to movie depictions of modern aircraft cannons in a nutshell, because your average viewer has no idea how large each individual round is, or how insane the rate of fire is. My favorite method to explain this is telling them that the M61A1 essentially fires high-explosive salt shakers at a rate of a hundred rounds per _second._
@@griffinfaulkner3514I wonder why the USAF don’t use 30mm rounds on their fighter jets.
@@kaydenchan7093 It's too big. the Russians have some of the largest fighters and the ammunition supply, God forbid, will be 200 rounds
@@user-lz8qo2ie7s the F-22 is a really large fighter, and their M61s can carry 500 rounds. A 200 round 30mm round would be no problem.
It’s just amazing how good the F 22 is considering this dogfight wouldn’t even happen because it’s going to smoke anything before they even know it’s coming. It’s the size of a golf ball on a radar and then even if it does have to get into a dogfight it’s the best, thank God we have as many of them as we do and the closest competitor barely has like what 15?
Exactly. The SU-57 finds out about the F-22 by the AMRAAM that is flying toward it from the F-22 it didn't see. lol
@@DBravo29er yup
9:14 I love 5th gen fights, shit looks goofy as hell
it looks like you're watching the fight in slow motion
would love to see GS pilot the Felon in these boss fights
I think he did that already atleast once.
it´s like the F35, he dosen´t want to
@@luccaleprechaunn1406 the F-35 is not modeled correctly in DCS. The felon is and he did fly it in a dogfight against the F-22.
I guess he is not allowed to fly the Felon. Forbidden by secretary of defence of USA :P
Loved the naval battle going on underneath! That was the perfect backdrop for this match up.
Back in my hometown, there are sparrows, I would watch them playing and fighting in midair before sunset when I was little. This looks exactly like their motions, they turn and struggle and catch each other in free fall and fly off with the lightest paddle through the air like a breath. I can't imagine how it will look when fighters get more thrust, like TTW over 3, they gonna fight with knives!
I love seeing an F-22 being pushed hard by its pilot
The YF-22, that became the F-22, first flew in 1990. Since then more than a quarter of the time that has passed since the Wright brothers first flight in 1902. That is quite something.
Looks like a lot of the difference here is just the raw thrust of the F-22, it seems to be able to power its way through those high AoA maneuvers in a way that the Su-57 just can't.
Facts 💪
Awesome, GS. I love the battle occurring below you. Nice touch!
That round 3 finishing move was disgusting. Raptor just looking down on that poor sob after a sick drift into a firing position. Why it’s my favorite plane in every category
These are my favorite dog fights just love watching these two jets float around in the sky
Probably my favorite video so far. Crazy to see these 2 fifth gen fighters
Love the comment about both floating around like leaves. Totally perfect description! Love the work!
Having seen an F22 in real I have no doubt it would perform like this.
F22 flys like we all pretend with kids and toy jets. Turning on the spot, always being able to point nose and doing ludicrous things to do whatever it wants with no rules.
So mesmerizing to watch you fly these beasts. Amazing content bro keep it up!! 😎😎
it looks to me that at least in the this simulation the Felon has an engine disadvantage compared to the Raptor. First two, three turns after merge the Felon looks good, but at some point it sits just like a fat pig in the air whereas the Raptor is all over the place.
Epitome of high speed low drag. What a fight! 👍🏼
Definitely alot going on in this area. Very fun to watch all of it. Nice job!!
It is with full respect to the Felon that I say, imagine entering a merge with a felon and feeling 4-1 advantage confident. F-22 is something else entirely.
And we hardly know anything about the Raptor in reality which is the scary part
Great fight gentlemen! Excellent flying by both pilots!!
Crazy beautiful dogfight there. Loved it. We want more!!!
Really hopping you would switch to guns in the earlier rounds sooner, you had several shots that would have easily taken the 57 out when it was somewhat obvious that missiles would most likely miss at short ranges.
Great flying from Toxic. Awesome video.
love the naval warfare in the backround
very nice video as always
This should be made into a film called TOP GUN 3 The 5th Generation. Love the video.
what a literal knife fight of a dogfight
Thank You! Always love watching The Felon in action!!
the dynamic setting was amazing really gave the impression that something amazing was going on
Toxic like Longshot is quickly becoming a dangerous dogfighter.
Good ole 22 showing the 35 how its done vs 57.
Loved your minidocs channel. Hopefully, it can make a comeback in the future!
06:27 That maneuver was insanely well executed. I thought that was it for the Raptor.
But it's a Raptor at the end of the day! Kudos to both of you
Dude. That was epic. The first two rounds had my palms sweating.
The last one looked so cool...like the plane equivalent of a backflip 360 no scope. lol
What are the major differences between the F-22 and Su-57 in terms of flight performance in DCS? They do seem very closely matched but I'm curious if one tends to be better for different fights or if they fly largely the same.
Конструкция СУ-57 позволяет вытворять невероятные ранее вещи, которые не стал использовать пилот из видео! СУ-57 может входить в контролируемы воздушный штопор, он может выполнить такие трюки, как "Кобра", "Колокол" и вертикальный штопор!
Почему пилот на СУ-57 из видео не стал применять эти приёмы я понять не могу... Они дают огромное преимущество в бою!
Советую найти в интернете видео, где будут продемонстрированы данные трюки! Незабываемое зрелище!!!
Su-57 tends to have the UFO airframe in DCS, eating missiles and canon steroids. While F-22 in DCS have only the F-15C airframe with little changes in performance.
@@voplengv1624 Those maneuvers are really only useful in airshows. Doing those maneuvers wastes all of your energy and will almost certainly result in you getting shot down
😈🇺🇸💯🔥 The Velociraptor is The King of the Sky's... Unbeatable and honestly I'd really like to see the YF-23 Grey Ghost and the YF-23 Black Widow added into DCS.
Those two in a dog fight is a thing to behold. At first you think it's slow-mo footage until you realize that this is real time and that's just how they fly.
"..but a little bit of luck never hurt nobody.." except OpFor, of course. Hurt them pretty badly, looks like. :D
Raytheon must take legal action to prevent you from wasting its missiles like this.
There's ZERO doubt with ANYONE that the F-22 is the best air combat platform in the US military.... there IS no debate.
absolutely love these fights. Just blows my mind every time and makes me shake my head that our F-22 program got cancelled.
I'd like to see multi-party dogfights. Like 3 or 4 fighters all fighting each other at once.
The active battles below really added to the feel of the dogfight!
Super badass.. keep ‘em coming GS! Lately I’ve been completely sold on F-22 for air superiority and A-10 for ground attack.. lol.. well done on creating my new fav’s
Thanks alot for this masterpiece
Absolutely beautiful fights guys. love to see it!
Awesome fight, guys!!
that last one was like a trick shot move
Would be great to see the rematch, with Toxic flying the Raptor and you in the Felon ! Same amount of rounds.
Huzzah love the video, thank you GS and toxic for the fun ride
as a sailor, seeing sailboats with their sails up while all of this is going on is pretty intense and an interesting level of detail.
I’d love to see a dogfight between the YF-23 and J-20…
I just applaud. Great fight, enjoyed it so much today! You're my inspirator most of the time 😊
Great fights, very cool scenario and quality!
F-22: "Hydraulic failure."
Also F-22: **Is literally missing the right/starboard wing after that shot**
Nice flying guys- both of you. Respect
What a show! Very cool!
Beutiful. GS really knows how to use the raptor