DisneyXD's DuckTales: Rebooting Webby Vanderquack
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2017
- 2021 Edit: Boy, this character wound up more complex than I ever could have imagined. My full thoughts on who she wound up being can be seen here: • DuckTales: The Last Ad...
The best part about a reboot is the potential to fix the mistakes of the originals. DuckTales was almost perfect, but the original version of Webby was a prime example of a basic add-on girl character. Can the new series give her the depth she deserves?
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I like how the only one who saw zero change was Launchpad.
He never needs to change.
That's literally my next video. I already recorded but this is legit half the script haha
Launchpad is one of my favorites from the original show. The Lovable clutz is always pretty high usually on my list actually, all thanks to Goofy honestly... Just can't get enough of them lol.
John Peacekeeper yep
Kitt Stargazer yep
And Donald.
All the proof you need that she's improved: She has her old doll pinned to the wall with an arrow.
Poor Quacky Patch!
Oh my god, I never noticed that :O
That's .... brutal. ^_^
The writers probably couldn't get more explicit than that in implicitly delivering us a message :P
If you consider her becoming a 1000% rip off of Mabel from Gravity Falls "improved" then I guess so....
New Webby isn't a Tomboy. She's just as girly as the old one, she's just less of a baby because she's older in this version (like all the characters are) and due to Beakley's personality she has adopted a socially awkward personality, whilst learning to be over-cautious and skillful. One of the reasons they changed her design is because kids were confusing her for a baby version of Daisy Duck. And one of the reasons she seemed 'more girly' in the original is because the three boys were constantly teasing her for her gender - which I'm glad they scrapped! Neither Webby is more girly, this one is just older. It would have been pretty weird if the triplets were now teens and still took a 2-3 year old baby with them on adventures.
She is kinda both
THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE 10 YEARS OLD BUT THE WAY THE ORIGINAL WEBBIE GOES AROUND IN THE STORIES IT SEEMS LIKE SHE'S 8 ). IN NEW VERSIONACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA THAT ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE 10 YEARS OLD.
In the original, they all seemed to be more like 9-10 years old and Webby was 4-6.
I think its telling how society views girls that she's considered a "tomboy" because she likes adventure and isn't a pushover or shy.
And I think she it is for her granny too, webby spent all her childhood being trained by her, and not playing with dolls, or that's not in the new show
I love the original Ducktales but I prefer the reboot version for many reasons:
1. The characters are more fleshed out, especially the triplets got distinctive personalities and dont feel like clones
2. We get more Donald Duck
3. We learn more about the family, especially the mother of the triplets
4. Glomgold is even more entertaining and his backstory is pure genius
5. The show adapts to modern times without becoming too dated
6. Webby kicks asses and the new Mrs. Beakley fits better into a family that goes on crazy adventures
7. Cameos of other classic Disney shows
8. The reboot tells a new story instead of just repeating the original show (looking at you, disney movie reboots...)
9. Doofus is such a terrifying evil little brat. I really hated the original Doofus so I actually loved that he became a rotten psychopath
10. Gyro may not be as sympathetic as the original, but I love his dry humor and his snarky comments
11. Launchpad is more hilarious, especially his random comments that can be surprisingly deep
Let's be realistic. Deep storytelling and character development does not make the reboot better than the original. It just makes it so confusing for younger kids. Why would nowadays kids be confused by such complicated nonsense?
Don't worry, I respect your opinion.
@@Daniel-bl7hu The show episode structure is pretty simple. There isn’t really any deep storytelling in the show just a few plot episodes and moral lessons every now and then but nothing too complicated for young children to understand
sadhbh I can see your point there pal.
I agree with you, it continued with its essence and original direction but it also breaks with the feminine stereotypes and that is necessary to change according to the time that we are
@@Daniel-bl7hu As someone who loved "complicated nonsense" as a young kid, you are severely underestimating kids.
Dunno what makes you see either Mabel or Webby as tomboys. They're both pretty girly.
I can agree with Mabel, but we've seen very little girly behavior from new Webby.
***** haven't seen much tomboyishness either. We've only really had short clips. I'm assuming she's girly Cuz of her design.
If you judge her purely on her behavior, there's not much girly about her. If you judge her purely by her design, well, she's a female character with a bow and a dress. The truth is probably somewhere inbetween -- but there are enough clips to show she's bold, daring, adventurous and, at least one time, captured and hogtied the boys. Perhaps tomboy isn't the right word, but she's clearly a self-confident, aggressive character who is quite unlike the original webby.
Her design is very much based on character recognition though, the ducks mostly look the same so you tell them apart by clothes, that means for her to obviously be Webby to everyone she has to be dressed like Webby always was dressed.
Mabel is more or less along similar lines as Star Butterfly in being ACTIVELY girly; both are unapologetically girly, but lack the usual passive/reactive 'gentle' personality that tends to result in them being a complete wet blanket. They're hyperactive, enthusiastic and actively creative (especially Mabel) and are contrasted with more thoughtful, careful and less socially adept boys, who still remain distinctly boyish. (Dipper and Marco come to mind)
It's a good dynamic, and I can see it working well with the Ducktales cast, especially since they're giving the triplets individual personalities for once, when even in the original comics they were painfully generic 'protagonist boy' stereotypes. Not to mention it's something modern kids can actually identify with; all the ducks dressed like it was the damn 50s in the original, and I'm pretty sure no one ever wore huge pink bows.
It seems like sometime around 2010, suddenly media didn't need to have as many painfully generic protagonists basically to distract executives from the actual interesting characters (Cantankerous Donald and greedy, often conflicted Scrooge are pretty different from the norm of adventuring adults, who tend to be generic supposedly responsible authority figures otherwise)
Now we know she's a wonderful combination of:
A.) Cute girly girl who dreams of sleepovers,
B.) Adventurous, daring warrior (tomboyish or not) trained her whole life in combat (probably because she lives with Scrooge and he has too many mortal enemies to count) to the point of practically being a mini super-soldier
C.) A brilliant scholar who studies the paranormal, magic, McDuck Family Mystery, and much more.
D.) A kind friend who is always there to help when you need her, and inspires kindness in others
I think we'll continue to see great things from Webbigail Vanderquack.
Well since Hillary lost to Trump they stepped up the feminist propaganda 500%, that's why every female character is a "badass" now.
@@johnames6430 No need to get political - and I'm saying that as a very political person. There also is not much feminist or whatever propaganda there. It's just that seeing characters who are whiny, helpless and in general only get in danger and have to be constantly rescued are annyoing and nobody really wants to watch them for a prelonged period of time, doesn't matter if they are male or female.
i love her!!
thank god she turned out to have more depth. (One of her biggest difference with Mabel is probably her lack of social skills.)
Not to mention she's not as selfish as Mabel...
@@cyannbutler4100 Yeah or boy crazy! At least....I hope so.
I try to respect your opinion, but I don't know what you're talking about. More depth doesn't make the reboot anything better than the original. Please don't kid yourself on.
Resolver 101 I do understand your point. But that's not gonna change my mind about how I prefer the original over that overrated reboot (in my opinion).
@@Daniel-bl7hu the reboot is better...
I think it isn't possible to portrait a female character without stereotype because everything women do or don't do has been labeled stereotype by now...
You deserve to be higher in the comment section
It's tough, especially in cartoons aimed at young people. Characters in such shows need to be more broadly characterized to appeal to kids, and this often does lead to a reliance on stereotypes. Plus, this show has the added pressure of staying true to the spirit of the original series WHILE also taking it in a new direction. So you're screwed either way: stay true to OG Webby, and you've got an outdated annoying girl sibling stereotype, but take her in the opposite direction, and you have fans screaming bloody murder because she's now a Mary Sue because she's bold, independent, and inexplicably good at everything.
Based on the clips we've seen, and on Sean's analysis of the duck boys so far, it would seem as though Huey is the somewhat uptight responsible one, Duey's the adventure nut, and Louie's the mellow one. I wouldn't have minded to have seen new Webby characterized as a little more of a geek, sort of a Velma from Scooby-Doo-type, in order to offset the boys. The writers could have made her the bookish one of the crew with a knack for tinkering with gadgets, who's also bold when she needs to be. There are also few geek girls on TV aimed at young people, so I think that a geeky Webby could have been refreshing.
I think that's because many female characters aren't rightly portrayed as complex human beings, but rather just a means to an end. Nowadays you have a lot of female characters that try so, but so damn hard to not fall into the typical girly girl damsel in distress stereotype, that instead you get characters that are solely build around the idea of fighting the early stereotypes.
You can detect that in dialogue. Lines such as "You think just because I'm a girl I can't protect myself?" really give away what the authors are really going about: The fierce independent girl. And that's fine by itself, but when a female character is solely build around that, the result is a bland, boring and extremely annoying character.
Take a look at Mabel Pines from Gravity Fall for example. I don't remember her because of a stereotype. I remember her as whole, with her various sides (her crazy side, her lovable side, her adventurer side, her egotistical side), which made her and her brother two well developed and complex characters.
And we're talking about girls here, but this applies to every character. The mistake is always the same. Many writers build characters to accomplish a goal, an idea, or to prove a point. And once that is done, the character becomes dull (unless it's for comical purposes)
Side note: This becomes a problem when you have screenwriters who are obviously pushing their political agenda in their characters, who are then built around those ideas. The most recent example is the fourth wave feminist agenda. It's ironic, because in the end, people end up hating these sort of characters and the ideology behind it.
I typically don't see any problem whether a female character is a stereotypical girly-girl or a stereotypical tomboy. Some girls ARE girly-girls. Some girls ARE tomboys. Portraying either of these in a cartoon isn't any more of a problem for womankind than any of the stock boy personalities we also see all the time are for mankind. I'm all for more variety and nuance in my shows, of course. In real life, every tomboy is more than just a tomboy, every nerd is more than just a nerd, etc. But using archetypes we've seen before doesn't have to be treated as a step backwards. It's not like conceptualizing a character with a certain basic personality stereotype means a well written character can't come from it. That's how they seem to be handling the nephews' characters too, so if it's not a problem in any of their cases, why should it be in Webby's case?
it only matters if the character is good or not
I actually didn't mind Webby in the original. She was cute and was actually kind of badass. Because of her caring nature she could communicate with animals, and in more then one occasion saved the day.
Agreeed. She gets way too much hate.
Me too. I honestly liked Webby in the original. I liked how she was kind, caring and how Scrooge treated her like a family member even though she wasn't blood related.
Yeah the old webby is way better
FireFox playsroblox ....thats pretty quick to say, seeing as we have seen nothing
Webby always had the potential. Remember when she wore the shrunken Gizmoduck suit? She definitely made better use of it than any of the nephews did.
Original Webby - Girly Girl
New Webby - Action Girl
Mabel - Girly Girl on steroids.
Also, stereotypes aren't inheretly bad thing. Like, most of the characters in media can be classify as some variation of one of many existing stereotypes. What's matter is context, meta and not so meta. Like...
Is this stereotype have bad implication or not? Is this tereotype overused or not? How character fit in the story? Is she/he defined only by her/his stereotype, or actually have some unique traits? Is there any character development? How well relationship with other characters builted? Etc.
All good points which i generally agree with. I generally think as long as what we're presented with is just a starting point, it's fine. Every character should grow at least a little.
1st of all don't dis meh Mabel gurl! 2nd I'm sorry for the terrible spelling I'm just feeling lazy and 3rd Stereo types are just for editors that are too lazy to make their own personality's anyway they're just rebooting good stuff to make spoiled kids happier with the animation! I completely agree that they should have unique traits but these days animators are just way too busy trying to surprise kids that don't like animation and they're bribing them to make the animator step up their game! Kids today are just begging for CGI crap! I'm sorry for the dis on disney but it's the truth! I'm a disney fan so this is upsetting to say the movies r awesome tho!!!
to be honest, I see stereotypes as the foundations upon which to build a fully original character. You take a sterotypical character as a base (the jock, the nerd, the cool one, ect.) and then just start adding on features to it as well as cutting others off to make the character more complex, giving them personalities that may either play into the original trope in some ways while subverting it in others, and just keep going until you feel that you've made them distinct enough from their base to be their own person while not losing sight of their original characterization.
Sour Lem well yeah, it’s just difficult to do and still have a good character. The only character I can think of that’s a blend of girly girl and action heroine is Juliet starling from lollipop chainsaw and even then she’s somewhat of a caricature.
star: girly girl on heroin
now, a year later, Webby is... amazing. her obsessions, her sheltered upbringing, her super-spy training, her textbook knowledge of the mysterious and arcane, she's an amazing character
In the old Duck Tales show, Webby seemed like she was meant to be younger than the boys. She was often shown playing with toys meant for very little kids and while the boys rode bicycles, she was shown riding a Big Wheel. However, they weren't consistent with it, so it was easy to forget. She was shown to be in the same Junior Woodchuck troop and on the same youth baseball team rather than a different one for younger kids. Plus, she was the same height as the boys, and height is usually an age indicator with kid cartoon characters. The new version of Webby seems like she's designed to be a peer to the boys from page 1.
One of the nice things about the old Duck Tales cartoon is that none of the characters were useless or were there simply for comic relief. Webby's sweet and innocent ways gave her a knack for charming animals (a trait I hope she still has in the new show). Mrs. Beakley was a world traveller and accomplished opera singer (useful in the right context) and was pretty clever and quick-thinking when needed. And Launchpad may not have been a good pilot but made up for it with his daring and willingness to try anything to get out of a jam. Heck, even Duckworth managed to lead a prisoner revolt on an alien spaceship once.
I think that's more the show drawing on pretty painfully outdated stereotypes that basically infantilised girls; writers were pretty terrified of actually portraying anything resembling a teenage girl (Narnia's Susan comes to mind as being outright demonised for growing up) and a tomboy would be too controversial and/or redundant with actual boyish boys in the cast, so they double down on any and all 'little girl' stereotypes.
Maybe, but I'm not sure. Disney did do a pretty good job depicting a tomboy a few years later when they created Gosalyn Mallard for Darkwing Duck. But then, the only kid she had to play off of was Honker Muddlefoot who was a stereotypical nerd. I thought the inconsistencies had more to do with cartoon creators' tendency to fudge the trappings associated with certain age groups during the '80s. For example, in Alvin and the Chipmunks there were times I'd swear they went to high school. The shows showed there being school dances, a football team and there were plots about crushes and stuff. But then, they'd straight mention only being in the third grade. I'm sure there are other examples too.
May or may not have been the same people writing that, mind. You're right that in the 80s and 90s especially cartoon writers like to play fast and loose with how kids look and act, especially since they're probably basing it off increasingly vague memories of childhood in a very different era.
Though probably interesting to note that we're seeing 'tomboy' and 'girly girl' as opposite traits in that era, where the deal with Mabel, Star Butterfly and this version of Webby is that they have plentiful traits of both, presented as being complementary rather than contradictory, and oddly more realistic in the process. (Also makes me think Daria of all things, where Daria and Jane are non-stereotypical but passive and still distinctly feminine, while Quinn contrasts them with being deliberately feminine and also active and outgoing)
Now thinking about it, you may be right with Webby being younger than the boys. It would make even more sense why the boys would make fun of her in the beginning. Following them around and drawing pictures of them with her crayons. I always thought she was around the same age as them since she was in the same woodchuck troop and all. I haven't seen the episodes in a long time so I couldn't tell the little differences between the bikes they rode or toys they played with.
I think you all are reading too deeply into all of this. For one thing, the coloring with crayons and riding on a trike was not used for Webby "multiple" times if I recall. She may have grown out of those activities as the show went on. Plus, I think (in the Duck Tales world anyway) it would have been possible for the Woodchucks group to not have a super strict age policy on which members could be together. Perhaps Webby's age represented the "minimum" rather than too young. Not all of the rules in reality needed to line up in the cartoon world. Kids back then did not really think about those things, or even care anyway. Webby did a lot more than just do things that may have seemed too childish. A really good example is the episode where she took command of a sail boat and knew all about how to sail and what preparations to make. The boys didn't study enough and had to be taught by her.
i feel like the original Webby doesn't get enough credit.
i liked her and i liked her way how she got out of different kinds of situations. just by being a pure hearted soul.
My personal hope is that Webby doesn't end up with some of Mabel's more negative traits. Mabel Pines is a good character, but her selfishness made it really hard to like her sometimes.
SogekingFirebirdStar oh yeah....
Well, at least she admits her mistakes sometimes and takes them seriously. Once I thought this is so unusual for her stereotype. 😁
yes! I hated the episodes where Dipper gave everything up for Mabel's selfishness. She even started Weirdmageddon!
Ahem... :cough, cough:: Kim Possible, anyone? Maybe you're too young to make that connection regarding her? After all, she rocked the grappling gun (before Mabel), was an adventurer (before Mabel), admired that a family member was an adventurer (before Mabel).
My wife thinks you're hilarious and thanks you for the compliment, haha. If anything, we're too old for Kim Possible -- I watched the original DuckTales series as a little kid (see my other DuckTales video for baby pictures)! I'm old, dude. It's cool to think that I sound young enough for you to think that, though.
Joking aside though, Kim Possible was a good show (and a huge part of the quality upswing Disney Channel saw at the time), but it's a worse comparison for Webby.
There are a couple of good reasons for this. First and foremost, I'd say it's the type of character they are. Possible is an adventurer, sure, but in the role of a hero who is actively called upon by outside forces (though pings on the website, if I recall) to help others and save the day. Webby is a younger child who is (as far as we can tell, and taking notes from the old series) going on adventures with her family, but not as a "hero" or "leader" or a similar role. To put it a bit more directly, Kim Possible is an exceptional teenager doing exceptional thing, while Webby is more of a regular (and younger) kid doing exceptional things.
The tone of the shows are overall different as well -- and at least from what I've seen of the previews, DuckTales will be closer to the more silly humor of Gravity Falls. (Though I wouldn't mind if it had at least one villain with Drakken humor. He was great).
That isn't to say I know what influenced Webby's new design at all -- the creators probably drew from multiple sources for the ideas -- but Kim Possible was a less useful reference point for my comparison.
Kim is pretty different personality-wise, though. She's less pro-active, literally taking up heroics as a part-time job for extra money, and is usually shown as a relaxed but hard-working athlete who takes pride in her work, rather than hyperactive or enthusiastic. (Note that she was contrasted against the neurotic, cowardly, mildly weird, lovable dork Ron)
Both are pretty good characters, but it's best not to confuse superficial similarities of genre for similar personalities or presentation.
KingOfElectricNinjas And that was a good take on a hero in my opinion, not all heroes/superheroes should be obsessed with morals and catching the bad guys.
She was just a girl who set up a page to to chores, someone hired her by mistake (by hilariously mistyping and URL) to fight crime and it worked as a work for her.
I think it helped because the description of the show that she could do anything or the impossible sounded like she was a Mary Sue, or at least a "You Go Girl" stereotype, but in the series almost every episode is about dealing with her flaws (like when she's doing bad in school because of her crime fighting, or when she can't drive), and how her rival, Bonnie, is better at almost everything (except fighting mostly).
Also even if she's a cheerleader and worldwide famous she only has too friends. And people at school don't really care that she saves people daily even when it's known (because it's not a secret identity or anything, just teens not caring about things that are not parties or fashion; also Bonnie is popular because she's rich).
And in the movie Kim says that she thinks she never had a boyfriend because boys are scared of her because they see her crime fighting as unladylike.
Kinda funny given Kim's had a date or two in the series with boys that seemed perfectly interested, and usually go hilariously wrong because her enemies intervene. Though it seems implied that between her cheerleading, crime fighting, and all the exercise required to keep her skills up, she doesn't have much time for a social life outside of Ron. (Who on the other hand, has the time to keep up with Kim because he does nothing else with his life. Besides football)
Kim Possible remembered that you can't just stack skills and vaguely acceptable traits on a character to have them be liked, you have to make them interesting in their own right, and while you're subverting cliches you might as well figure out an innovative way to do that.
Joan of Arc
The problem is, nowadays eveything is stereotypes.
Even being different and original is a stereotype.
EXACTLY
That's true. I reckon it's coz media makes spreading information & stories so easy that trying to come up with something that no-one else already did is pretty much impossible. There's a stereotype for everything!
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EXACTLY!!!
this video hits different after watching the finale
watching this in 2020 i can confirm webby is not much like mabel - she's independent, had a lot to learn about the outside, studies a lot more history and adventure than both mabel and dipper have, and she's still smart and caring. heehee
I really love Webby's new design
And I am a pretty big fan of Kate Micucci.
I really hope this version of the character adds something
fresh and original to the show.
Either way I'm looking forward to finding out.
Great video by the way.
I did like Webby in the original series, only because she was the only girl amongst boys. ( I have brothers so I know what it’s like) I’m pretty sure that’s the whole reason the creators made her. The Webby in the reboot is so much more interesting and more relatable. She’s positive to a fault, something I can relate to, she’s strong, skilled, adventurous, determined but also still flawed. She can be overzealous, stubborn, obsessive, and socially awkward; struggling to make friends and have the family she’s always wanted. She’s also been sheltered a lot so she is naive in a sense
I feel like Webby will grow to become her own character over time, even if she starts as "the new stereotype". I originally described Star from Star V.s.The FOE as "a combination of Pinkie pie and Mabel Pines" but now she has become so much more and is her own person. She's not a Tomboy, but she's not a girly girl either. And she's grown so much from just being reckless and random. If you watch the new episodes of any cartoon then go back and watch the first handful you will see SO MANY differences in the characters. I've actually found that most cartoons characters star out as "a combination of character A and character B" but develop into their own person over time and I feel like the same will happen with webby. We just need to give her time to develop.
Star is a pretty good example, actually!
In perspective, any character can be viewed as a stereotype of something. Hopefully Webby will be viewed as her own character soon enough.
I liked her in the original cartoon for being an Actual Pacifist. Compared to the rough and tumble boys.
It's true. While everybody has layers, anybody can fall into a stereotype if we want them to
I think the big difference with Mable and Webby, besides social skill, is that Webby is interested in research and action- while Mable is more into art and is 14 and boy crazy. For me theyre very different, like just bc both are excitable energetic young girl doesnt mean they arent alike. Again more girls exist in a show and we can have more types of girl- instead of just ‘the girl’.
Webby is more competent than mabel and doesn't seem to bug me nearly as much as mabel did what with her selfishness I like them bothe but webby is already, in my opinion a lot more seeming like a human being than mabel
Monster Mon
Which is ironic considering Mabel is a human while Webby is a duck.
I agree! Mabel actually began to really bug me. It was like every episode Dipper had to give everything up to help her with her selfish desires or her crush of the week. I think Webby is more caring and helpful like when she wanted to help Dewey find out about his mom
I can see what you mean although don't forget that in that Bill episode Mabel was also meant to learn that she has being a little shit-head
Yes Mable was selfish. She was a person with flaws. She wasn't a bad character because she wasn't perfectly nice all the time, what ever happened to imperfections being a key element to good characters?
Agreed. Unlike Mabel Wendy cares about others and is willing to put aside her own feelings and needs for others. Mabel on the other hand doesn’t and when something good does happen to dipper mable calls him “selfish” because it affects her in a negative light most of the time.
Reversing the "girl character™" stereotype and running with the extreme opposite can be just as bad imo. There was a wave of "I'M NOT LIKE OTHER GIRLS" girl characters for a while that still make me gag. There aren't that many Mabel Pines on TV though so even if she ends up being Mabel 2.0 it's not really the end of the world, like you said at least it's a better starting point. It'll be interesting to see where they go with it.
Also, I'm really surprised that your channel doesn't have more attention! Your videos are fun to watch, you definitely deserve more views and subs.
There's nothing wrong with classic Webby, I know plenty of girls/women that liked her because she's relatable. I could tell right away from first listening to Webby's character in the remake that she went out of her way to sound like Mabel.
In the original, one of the funniest episodes was when she joined the Beagle Babes and they ended up freaking out when she became a gangster and the triplets were part of her gang.
The 80's had plenty of cutsie girl tropes that were part of its time like My Little Pony, Rainbow Brite, Care Bears. What Disney did differently during this time is that they had a melting pot that added a little bit of the best elements such as here as well as Gummi Bears who had fun female characters.
In the late 90's there were plenty of characters trying to impersonate DeeDee from Dexter's Laboratory. Is it really that difficult to develop a female character? Not to mention the young brunette boy / older red head girl is also a trope.
The real problem I have with the new Ducktales is the voice acting for the main actors because they're not voice actors, so the characters sound really dull or really human. It allows you to appreciate the performances done by June Foray, Alan Young, Tress McNeil and a bunch of other great voice talent that got them off the ground such as Rob Paulsen and Jim Cummings.
+Zapsi Thanks! I try to make the kind of stuff I'd like to watch, but I'm sort of flying by the seat of my pants. But hey, like Webby, I've got to start somewhere!
There's definitely something wrong with classic Webby. You can take the character for what she is and still enjoy her, don't get me wrong, but as a girl who grew up having only one token girl character in almost every show to relate to I can tell you for a fact she was woefully lacking in development.
The voice acting is definitely a let down for me, especially for the boys. I loved their actors in other shows but it just feels really miscast to have grown men playing children. Then again I felt the same way about Dipper Pines and he grew on me a lot, so we'll see how it goes! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Difference in opinion with the first paragraph, nothing wrong with that and Disney agrees with you.
For me, the biggest let down was the entire main cast. Even Scrooge doesn't even sound that good because his voice sounds very refined and not that strong from an old generation. They have Scrooge smirking a lot and that kind of feels out of character for him, but as a reboot, they're bound to make changes. I find it funny how people are believing that it's going to be closer to the comic and I'm going "oh it will not!" lmao
It may well be closer to the comic in some ways (having Donald as a major character, where he only appeared in a handful of episodes in the original show) and it's pretty clearly going to be far more divergent in other ways. And that's a good thing; even the good comics and the old show have probably done most of the interesting things you can do with the formula without shaking things up too much, so there's no better time to.
Cartoons these days seem to be making effort to mix up character types, especially female ones. Probably helps that with the new My Little Pony, and probably also Steven Universe, having female-dominated casts, where by necessity you need to have a broad variety of personalities and can't just have one be 'the girl' who gets all the feminine stereotypes lumped onto her. And it turns out, there's lots of interesting ways you can write girls, and audiences react positively and show interest in them! I think writers used to keep to girly stereotypes because it was considered 'safe' and appropriate, but as it turns out it's actually the least popular way to write them! (which given it took so long probably should have been easier to figure out earlier, but at least it happened)
"She reminds me a lot of Mable Pines."
Well, people from Gravity Falls are working on this series, so this isn't really surprising I think.
Yurriën Angenent. yah thats true
I liked Webby in the original series. She was girly and very caring and save the boys many times, not every female character needs to be a tomboy.
I liked the old Webby. She and the boys were just regular kids. Yeah she was 'girly' but It was her huge heart that defined her. Her courage, too. It makes me sad to think people look at her as a stereotype because I never saw her that way at all. She was and still is my favorite character from that show.
its probably due to peoples perceptions that girly girls are sexist and a way for men to be "oppressive". So now we get far more in the other direction with the "tomboy" stereotype where girls are just boys but with girl bits. i find it rather silly because people are so obsessed with gender of characters that the character portion gets left by the way side. Im hoping that the show doesnt fall into this trap because Ive enjoyed all the episodes thus far but history has proven that once something gets popular, someones gotta come in and ruin it for some arbitrary reason, and the popular reason is its not PC enough.
@@Shiirow they are trying to make the "strong female character" to help erase the concept of gender. That's why in every movie/tv show the concept of "strong woman" is to make her walk, talk, and act like a man. This dumb propaganda is so pathetic and hardly any girls relate to it I think. A strong woman doesn't mean she is just like a man.
@@Shiirow Wait... so even tomboys are being dragged into this PC madness? Dang, I was hoping they'd be an escape from that. :(
I like the new webby better
Very unpopular opinion but I didn't hate the old Webby. People forget that she was much younger than the boys and going on dangerous missions when her fav hobby was " playing tea with soft toys ", she was "girly" yes, but she was also pretty damn brave. I'm hyped for the new version though, as she's a much better role model- but I don't hate the 87 Webby.
Flower Bear i dont hate her either. however,how old was she actually? :'D its pretty hard to say because of her design
Plus she and Scrooge's bond in the original was very sweet.
I don't know if the bond will happen in the reboot or not...
KrispinaTheDerp go to disney xd and you'll find it
Bobby Hill i grew up on duck tales so as much of a mary sue Webby is she's still one of my favs
Bobby Hill I agree with this as well
I can relate to 2017 Webby. She's girly but she's not, I've always been like that too!
I like dressing up fashionably, drawing, animals, pink, pretty things, and all the jazz, but I also like video games, things that are creepy and strange, science, dragons, dinosaurs, ect. I need not be one or the other, I can be anything I want to be (within the reasonable margin of current human limitations and moral standards, I can't grow wings, unfortunately).
Even if I feel kind of like an outsider for it, at least I feel happier than if I were to conform to one or the other. I can also relate to her social skills, or lack thereof. Characters like her and Marcy are some of the few characters I can genuinely relate to.
If she was a stereotypical tomboy or girly girl, she wouldn't fit that niche. And, maybe it's selfish, but I'm glad she's like that so at least I can feel somewhat understood in this confusing world. I'm sure she was fine in the original, but I wouldn't know. I wasn't alive when the show or comics were popular.
Why...are you stereotyping these things though
I mean how "drawing" and "animals" are a definition of a girly girl and "video games" and "science" are a definition of a tomboy or JUST a boy?
@@smart.but.stupid I mean, fair enough. My intention wasn't to stereotype these things, I've just felt like they're already stereotyped. Gender really doesn't affect any personality trait, aspiration, interest, etc. For some reason, however, I've felt like I'm not supposed to be the way I am. This isn't true, as anyone can be any way, and yet it's how I've felt.
To be honest, I don't really know if I agree with my first comment anymore. I think to some extent I was venting. When I was younger I felt like an outsider for one reason or another and it's kind of stuck with me. I don't think I have any good reason to feel this way, I just do. It's irrational.
I guess I'm just glad I could finally relate to a cartoon character? It's pretty silly, in all honesty. It's not like how people are is dependent on how characters in cartoons are portrayed, I just grew up with cartoons and wanted to relate to a character like I saw some other people on the internet relating to characters.
In short, my comment came off the wrong way and I think I was just being insecure. Anyone can be any way and gender or stereotypes don't decide how a person is.
1:14 "We haven't seen a lot of Webby"
Me after watching the season 3 finale: "I've seen more than I'm supposed to."
I was wary of what Webby would be like in the show, but now I'm actually pretty pleased with how she's turned out. She's not a complete tomboy, she's just very active and hardcore. And while she is hardcore, she's not just this one active girl character that drags the male characters around through whatever she pleases, she has her own struggles with integrating in society, and I'm pleased they actually went that deep with her character.
I need her and Goselyn to meet one day. I think they would hit it off pretty quickly and cause Drake even more grief than usual.
Yeah, she is more of a tomboy than her original incarnation, but she does still retain a prominent girly side. That's a character type that I tend to enjoy.
I really like how in the reboot they gave the characters more personality. I like how Huey, Dewey, and Louis are all their own characters now rather than a trio with the same joint personality like they were in the first DuckTales, and really everything they've been in
I love her in the final episode where she goes full bezerk on Magica and is yelling about how she just got a family and thought she had a best friend when it was just an enemy.
The change to Webby and the inclusion of Donald were great changes imo :)
Feels less the baby sister and more the equal sister for the boys :)
The great thing about Webby in the new one is that she’s not actually the stereotypical “girl power” girl, and she’s not the stereotypical “I’m a weak little girl” and she’s also not a Tom boy. She is just an fun unique charecter
Notice the old version of her pinned to the wall with an arrow @ 1:18
That's actually the Qucakypatch doll from the original series, which old Webby carried around a lot. Same symbolic meaning, though.
I'll believe you lol. Haven't seen the show in an eon, obviously, so I'm lucky I remember what she looked like then.
Good catch.
plottwist:this webby is not the real webby xD
Old Webby's design was so much cuter to me, but I hope new Webby gets more development
Being adventurous and active doesn't mean you're a tomboy.
I like both Webbys, its interesting to see the updated, cooler, street smart, but still girly like with the hamburger version, and the adorable animal magnet cutie of yore. Times change, roles change, roll with it and embrace,but love the first one too. They are both quackingly great!
Launchpad is untouchable in character,you can't change him, he's a one off. Although the old version is more handsome, the new one has some great lines about the road is my office.
My guess for Mrs beakly will be that she are going to be a former Black ops kinda character.
i mean she sure looks like it right?
A gender flipped Brock Samson.
KingOfElectricNinjas OR MOTHERFUCKING DUCK GENDERBEND FRANK WOODS
This is actually close to true.
Boyoftrick_90. what the heck is that
And she’s now a clone. That’s cool, I guess.
i like old webby shes really cute
Me too!
hypyman45 Same here, man... something about her is just so loveable.
hypyman45 MY DAD LOVES THE OLD WEBBY TOO! MY DAD DOESN'T LIKE the New Ducktale webby
can't girly girls and tomboys coexist no then feminist get up set stupid feminists
@@kamilavilla9756 Tell your dad that most of us grew of with this new webby
and tell him He may not look like much, but believe it or not he shows up many of the great thinkers of our age. Well, maybe I’m exaggerating. But at least he’s disproved Darwin’s theory of evolution.
and i dont like him
Webby’s a nerdy tomboy who has a love of learning, an appreciation of different cultures, and an adventurous spirit. I think they did a good job with her character.
I also greatly appreciated the whole “she doesn’t get out” thing, cuz as a kid who used to be homeschool for 77% (yes, I literally punched the numbers) of my life at home, I saw a lot of myself in Webby at the beginning of the series. First there was one of the first couple episodes where the boys took her out for a day of fun, and then the times she hung out with Lena. There was a lot she didn’t understand about the world and friendship (despite using every resource at her disposal to try to learn) and I appreciated that a lot. It gave me someone to really relate to right off the bat.
I think without that aspect to her, I wouldn’t have liked her character at all. I thought she was a bit annoying initially, but thankfully because they added that, I was able to latch onto her a bit more and eventually I grew to like and appreciate her.
Starting as a stereotype isn't always a bad thing though.
Most people can usually be boiled down to stereotypes if you only view a few minutes of them. There may be depth to Webby, but you can't show much depth in two 20sec clips.. you need to show the eye-grabber info that could make people take interest.
Right though. People always pawn off stereotypes as a bad thing, but they can be just fine. Especially if you use the stereotypes correctly and don't make a cardboard cut-out character with zero personality.
What I loved about the original webby was how she could befriend any animal no matter how ferice it may be. She was close with Scrooge's horse and helped win against Glomgold's racehourse, in australia she became friends with the wildlife which many of australia's animals are notoriously dangerous (especially the razorbacks and dingos. Heck even a kangaroo can be dangerous) and yet Webby befriended them to stop a black market opal mine operation. She even became friends with a friggen Yeti too. I hope this trait is passed onto the new Webby.
Webby is a really interesting character. A tomboy with a girly side that is socially awkward but really smart.
I'd say they did a good job
I don't care if Webby ends up being another girl stereotype, as long as the stereotype is way more entertaining and not affective, I'm happy.
Yeah, It’s annoying that in order for girls to be taken seriously they have to be ‘quirky’ and ‘adventurous’. They really did just exchanged one stereotype for another, so now every girl has to be “Not like all the other girls”. Like Girls don’t range the whole spectrum.
Webby was portraid as a whining brat because she was younger than the triplets and demanded nlre "protection". This makes her real as a character in the original series. it doesn't mean that most of us loved her unconditionally, though.
I randomly got this in my suggestions again and it got me thinking about what new things can be said about how the show as a whole approached being a reboot and rebooting each character now that the discussion can be had in the context of the whole run of the show instead of just the early promotional material and first few episodes.
I like how you gave classic Webby the benefit of the doubt and say she isn't as bad as people tend to remember her, while still admitting she came off as whiny sometimes.
I miss the old version of webby and mrs. Beakley mostly because it provided a balance in the show. They were soft and kind, yet they had there moments of action.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the doll at 1:18. :-) It's totally symbolic of the point you're making.
She's nothing like Mabel; Webby uses her grappling hook.
Later season she not using the grappling hook often
Gravity Falls was inspired by DuckTales, among a few others.
it could very well be that the new DuckTales was, in turn, inspired by Gravity Falls.
i mean, its not the first time that happened.
the Original DuckTales was a comic, which inspired the creators of Indianna Jones to make those movies.
Which, in turn, Inspired Disney to animate Ducktales.
tho thats what i could find on the subject.
Yeah, content cycle in nature. We just have to admit it.
I love the reboot, all of the characters have much more details
Especially the triplets and Webby, they all have something different about them
I didn’t watch all of season 1, but I think the episode where Webby really became more of an excellent character is the one where Lena is introduced. Webby admits that while she does like hanging out with the triplets, she feels left out sometimes because they have so many inside jokes and stuff. This leads to her being so eager to become friends with Lena. So when Lena is impressed by Webby and asks if she wants to come to a party with her, Webby first asks if they can wait for the boys to come back so she can tell them where she’s going, but because Lena is her first friend that she can make inside jokes with and not have to worry about being left out, she’s easily persuaded to go to the party instead. The following events of the season develop their friendship even more, until the finale.
Webby doesn’t come across as overly energetic or extremely girly girl like Mabel. She gets excited about adventures (doesn’t necessarily make her a tomboy, by the way), and she values friendship. She’s probably my second favorite character though. Lena is my favorite. Or, should I say, *was* my favorite...
We need an update on this video. I’d dare say webby is almost as big a character now as Scrooge himself
Just because she was given different personality this time doesn't make her better. Both of her versions are different. I loved the original, she doesn't have to be like the new version to be a great character.
Webby is not like Mabel, not even close, they share some similarities, but her being like Mabel is a complete no
Webby turned out awesome. Also Agent 22
I love the new take on Webby. Not only because she just go full throttle on _everything,_ but I also like the way the triplets intentionally make space for her and her personality. They had their growing pains when they first met of adapting to her intense personality, but whether it was Louie guiding her through their first field trip, Dewey extending an invitation to Funzone, or Huey promising not to leave her out of the boat next time, they genuinely welcomed her. They feel like a cohesive group in the new series and it's an excellent improvement.
Sean these videos are wonderfully well made. Very insightful story and character breakdowns. Thank you.
I honestly feel like people in the comments are complaining for no reason.
It would explain the new webby's daring and boldness, the new mrs beakley seems like the type who would let her grand daughter be adventurous.
Considering that comment is replied in 2023 after the 2017 DuckTales ended, it’s also a good note that in the reboot webby is actually Scrooge‘s daughter but at first, she still was sort of portrayed as the niece
Looking back now that the show has ended what a trip especially for Webby
Mabel is definetively 100% girly girl. Webby is simply assertive and adventurous.
I don't really consider that as being a full blown tomboy. Somewhere halfway to being one but not somebody you would say is literally a dude who looks like a girl
i love how the new webby is like a stalker/fangirl! she's so relatable!!!
I liked how Magica turned the current Webby into the original one as a puppet. Nice, clever reference... 😏😌
Old webby is adorable and new webby is awesome!
I dunno, I'm getting more Sara Murphy vibes from new Webby than Mabel Pines vibes. Sara being from a previous new Disney XD show, Milo Murphy's Law.
Probably due to Kate Miccucci voicing both Sara and Webby, and her knowledge on Donald's past seems comparable to Sara's knowledge on the Dr. Zone tv show.
This could easily be fair. I haven't seen much of Milo Murphy.
The boy ducks are also arguably stereotypical.
It would be cool if you could come back to these initial impressions and see how they compared to the characters post-premiere. Like how Webby might have the same energy and grappling hook as Mabel, but she's hopelessly inept socially while Mabel was a social butterfly.
I love the new Webby. She is so badass.
No duh!
I hope they bring back Webby's affinity for animals. I like it when characters solve problems with a little kindness.
Actually, with me, the more I think about it, she reminds me more of a mixture of Mabel Pines, like you mentioned, but also Pidge from Voltron. In that show, she is trying to find her family, but is also the more curious and techy person the team. She is brave, but uses gadgets, her mind and being more nibble to get out of tough spots.
Mabel didn't come off like an adventure type. She was smart and was adventurous at times, but she seemed to do it more to be with her brother and less enthusiastic about it. She was more into things like boy bands, make up and dancing. Nothing wrong with that, obviously, but that is what her interests lied. That fact caused many conflicts throughout the second half of the series.
Webbie comes off as the opposite; she a bit girly, too, but comes off more like the tech character. From the clip, she was using gadgets to snatch the cookie, which look like something she made, and seems to be excitable about adventure. She seems to have her own items from her own adventures or even bought online. That side seems to line up more with someone like Pidge then with Mabel.
So if that is the case, that would be an interesting direction for her character.
I'm glad you made the Mabel comparison. I was gonna point that out, if you didn't. XD
Frankly , I liked the way Miss Beekly freaked out.
In the original.
She was someone who did get over her head and show how someone in that situation would react, but then gathered herself and analyzed the situation and focus on what to do!
I have a feeling her and Webby's characters are going to be the same female character so over used today.
I'm a woman and I'm better than a man at everything!
Totally already lacks the appeal and charm of the original!
Yeah I'm getting tired of the "Feminine characters are bad" mentality. It's a real shitty thing that girls can only be accepted if they just act like "one of the guys".
I don't know. If Webby was a total tomboy archetype then she would probably hate the color pink.
I think she'll be more layered than that; not a flatout tomboy and also not a girly girl. Doesn't mind getting dirty and roughed up but also likes to dress like a princess. Like Jenny from MLAATR.
This question of pink always gives me some laughty sneers. Was it around 1700-1800 era when pink was considered hue of red, the color of blood and thus was seen masculine color. While light blue was seen as mark of clear sky and serenity and thus was feminine color.
Well, just because someone is tomboy doesn't mean she can't not girly things like the color pink.
And honestly, I don't think we're saying that Webby is A TOTAL tomboy. We're just saying that because she is a bit more tomboyish than her 87' counterpart, who was clearly a total girly-girl.
Its weird watching this now that the show is over.
I ended up dating a girl like the original Webbigale. Back in the 80s her character was all about teaching boys not to leave the girl out ... When you paid attention to that you ended up with a best friend in a girl. Sure people are different now, but what did that get me? A best friend, who is a girl with some sense of adventure ... And you never want to leave her side.
In the original series I like how Beekly and Webby were more the everyday people caught up in the story and found a way to be important the way Bilbo and Frodo did in the Lord of Rings.
ummmm... anyone else noticed of how she literally shot her old self with an arrow at 2:52 on the right side.
+Loopygamer0 That's not her old self, it's the "quacky patch" doll she carried with her in the original series
I was about to say she looks like Mabel from gravity falls... And then you say it... I am glad i am not the only one who is seeing that...
I think everyone is saying that. Honestly, I dont know because I personally don't see her as Mabel that much. I kind see her more like a combination of Kim Possible/ Mabel Pines and Pinkie Pie/Applejack.
Fun fact: in S1 E1 of 2017 Ducktales you can see a doll of 1986 Webby arrowed to the wall in webbys room.
rw:btw dude nice costume of yourself in this vid ,scrooge's outfit / top hat sure does bring back memories^_^
+Jason Tachin haha, thanks! That took forever to make (I'm new to animation and not quite talent enough as an artist to do anything complex) but I had a lot of fun making it and really liked how it turned out!
I wouldn't say "being similar to Mabel from Gravity Falls" really qualifies as a "stereotype", per se.
But, I get what you mean. The "Mabel Mold" is becoming a more popular and frequently used character trope, as of late.
Thank you for pointing out the trading-one-stereotype-for-another worry. It's one of the main things I'm actually worried about for the reboot.
I rather liked Scrooge's adoption of and adoration for Webby; makes me wonder if Scrooge ever wanted a daughter of his own. And I wonder (and worry) if they won't/can't have that relationship in Ducktales 2017.
Also, gibing the girl duckling a very similar personality to Dewey might make it easier to either clump the two together all the time (shippers ahoy), or to undermine Dewey. Don't get me wrong: having strong female characters is great, and I know it's a big thing right now (hello new Ghostbusters, the Wonder Woman movie, and the Doctor finally regenerating into a woman). However, Ducktales is about Scrooge, his nephew, and his grand nephews fighting rivals, finding treasure, and generally going on adventures.
If this reboot is going back to many of the comic book origins, they've gotta remember that.
Really? You're using the _Ghostbusters_ remake as an example? A film that just recycles male characters as females?
For me this is Webby in a nutshell:
An extrovert, energetic girl (like Mabel), looking for a friend BUT comes to her own. She shows her Cate for the McDuck family well and isn't an overly-exaggerated tomboy. She has some girly aspects but they don't define her. I don't view Webby as a Mabel Pines. I view her as more of a BEANO character, as they can be over the top, mischievous and smart, without losing a friendly charm.
Out of the new versions of the characters, I sorta put Webbie as my second favorite behind Louie. She has this sorta awkward-ness, combined with wit, and a degree of spontaneity that I do adore. I relate to her a lot more than Huey or Dewey in those traits I just mentioned. So, to sum it all up, out of the four. First is Louie, then Webbie, then Huey, then Dewey.
Characters don't come out of thin air, you must first choose an archetype/model then you deconstruct that model then you reconstruct it again. That how any character is created.
if you notice old Weebly doll is on the wall struck by a Arrow
Webby may still be rocking that pink bow, but I want to see how else she rocks that grappling hook
Now that Season 1 of Ducktales 2017 is done. A Follow up to this video might be interesting to see. Comparing how well they did with Webby...
Webby is like Dipper and Mabel but in the same character and that's probably why she's my favorite in the series
All Usernames Taken yeahh, also she’s actually trained as a spy unlike Mabel
I loved the old series and the new one is good as well
1:34 you can see retro webby with a nail in her chest like it feels like she was just forgotten or even dead to the animators
Nah, that's a "quacky patch" doll, which old Webby often carried around with her.
Seaniccus now I feel like that's some sorta tribute to old webby or something
What I love about Webby is that she IS girly.
She loves pink. She likes dresses. She likes glitter. She likes teddy bears. They're all over her room. A tomboy would shy from those more. Webbigale is undeniably a little girl! Just one with adventure in her blood!
And she's also a freaking BADASS.
She's competent. Responsible to a fault. And trained to the extremes! Gah! I just love her character!
Not necessarily - you can be a tomboy and still like girly things. Mona the Vampire wears a skirt, yet she's still cited as a "tomboy" character. Same thing with Maggie Pesky - she has pink hair and wears a skirt, yet she's also into rock music (i.e. a more "boyish" type of music). Honestly, you'd be hard-pressed to meet a girl who's 100% girly or 100% tomboy.