Get a F2 if you want a F1 get a Jack instead F1 isn't reliable and it's basically a Jack, I play airsoft and the F2 is a closed bolt meaning the nozzle works like a AEG so you have less hop up compatibility issues if any where the Jack and F1 are open bolts so you'll need to experiment with hop rubbers
@@user-yb7yl7oo7y the Fusion is the best P* and it can be switched between open bolt and closed bolt and you can program burst functions and semi lock it in case your field is semi auto only
@@isaacshively6705 yeah I no but picked it up cheaper than a jack n it's for gel / got a mate with a fusion and the lowest he can tune it to for gel is 400fps so well above Feld limits near me haha
Can't wait until I can get a HPA setup! Great video too, if you want to borrow a zoom camera for further testing let me know :) It's a good way to show your accuracy on camera.
Not sure on the specifics of that. I know a few people are running their own compressors and have adapters, I just don't know what those are. Might be worth googling to see what people use to fill paintball tanks - same thing.
I have an airsoft polarstar inside an airsoft V2 M4. Is it possible to convert it to shoot gels by only swapping the barrel setup and magazine? Very informative video btw
Hey mate, really good question. In theory, yes mostly? No idea how the M24 is set up. For gel blasters we need to have a rubber piece glued onto the nozzle as there is no hopup rubber to achieve air seal. So you'd need to look into that. Otherwise, can't really see why not.
Yes, but they're less durable than other gels so you might need to dial the PSI down a bit. I could run glows at 120 psi though for reference. The main issue with glows is they stick in mags, which causes feeding issues.
@@SOFTOPS thanks mate about glow gels i did notice the gels do not feed very well in the mags . i was getting one or two gels out the barrel after 10 shots did not no of it was mag feeding issues or the polarstar f2 nozzle is to quick to allow gel to feed in the t-piece . did you find a way to make the gels feed better? thanks for time. david
@@davecherrill7181 yeah so the F2 can be completely tuned, including the timing for it to open and return to battery. This means you can slow it down until you get clean feeds on softer gels, which is super, super handy. In reference to getting glows to feed better - its a mixed bag of control growing (don't let them sit for days in water - let them grow to size then drain), and rinsing them. The glows seem to have some kind of sticky residue, so I've found in the past if you rinse them a few times with fresh water, you can get rid of most of that residue and they feed a lot nicer.
Hey mate - this was filmed at Milsim East & The Village, which is a charity-run Gel Ball field at Wacol, Queensland. I WISH I had the time and space to make a private arena!
You can if you get the Polarstar UGS. I've heard of a few of these running around but haven't tried it myself. The main concern is that the bulbs will probably only last for 1 magazine or so. We aren't blessed with lowcaps yet so it kinda seems like a waste.
@@SOFTOPS yeah i am assuming the same but you can get x2 bulbs or one of the bigger bulbs in butstock. i seen a video review but lost the link. I may just wait for the c02 carbine blowback market to arrive first. Waiting for some to hit the market, atm the only one avail is nwell mpk5 green gas blowkack but fps is quite low altho it is pretty cool for its realism
Dunno mate, I went through a Polarstar dealer here. I'm not sure what the process is for bringing in parts. Usually individual parts are fine, but blasters are not. Just not sure how ABF etc want to handle something like the HPA engines.
Hey Jamie - there is a HPA specific blowback feature from Wolverine called a "Quake Stock". I haven't seen any examples it being installed with an F2 though.
Depends where you go, and depends on exactly what you're after. I ended up paying around $2,400 for the install which included the stuff in the HPA config list + labor. Prices may vary depending on effort, cost of parts etc as well so keep that in mind. I'm the kind of guy that wants maybe 2-3 solid platforms and I'm happy; I don't need a collection of a million blasters. So all of those benefits made sense to me to drop the cash. There are some retailers offering "out of the box" HPA solutions - i.e. they've predone the conversion and you just buy it as is for ~$2k. I don't have any experience with their handiwork, or the line of products they're using so I can't speak for quality etc.
I'm personally running a Polarstar F2. The guys that did my install are also doing Polarstar Jacks and Kytheras. Outside of that, a few retailers are playing around with Wolverine as well... so basically everything, but a few tweaks are needed - gel blasters use powered mags, so we need to have power running through the system to keep ammunition feeding.
@@SOFTOPS never had a F2 but I've owned 2 fusions and a F1 and now I run a Wolverine Gen2 Reaper which is a closed bolt like the F2 but it's a single solenoid and it's programmable for burst or semi locked
@@isaacshively6705 there is no hop up rubber, gel blaster use a plate system attached to the end of the barrel. Traditional airsoft hop up units break the gels.
@@SOFTOPS holy crap I can by a real rifle for that cost, but good to know. Maybe cost will drop in time if gov don't try to license gel ball.. but with this tech coming in it will not be to long.
Just so U know, in the future a retro arms gearbox is rediculous overkill for an hpa build. You can use the worst gearbox out there as long as it clips together nicely. The reason for this is there's literally no forces acting on the gearbox anymore. From what it sounds like as well you want the closest thing to real as U can get. Have a look at the wolverine quake stock Cool to see hpa coming transfering from Airsoft to other things.
Also with the f2 your rate of fire is roughly limited under 40. The rate of fire setting on the f2 is more of a maximum rate of fire setting. The other settings you set in the fcu will govern your maximum rate of fire. You dp, dn, and dr settings are the time the solenoid does stuff for U who has a long barrel your max rate of fire will be lower than someone with a short barrel
@@SOFTOPS im pretty sure its compatible with any hpa engine, but im not 100% sure. best bet would be to contact wolverine and/or polarstar on facebook. im pretty sure it just plugs into the the extra port on an fcu that can be used for all sorts of things from tracers to drum mag winding. both polarstar and wolverine have absolutely awesome customer service.
Each to their own - not trying to spark an AEG vs HPA battle 😂. I've spoken to the techs that worked on my build and I know they're actively trying to bring the cost down significantly. As more units become available in larger quantities I imagine the cost will get to a more comparable point. I've spoken to a few guys who have build some pretty remarkable DSG builds and now converted to HPA, they don't want to swap back. For them (so not my direct experience) it comes down to maintenance as well. In their opinion its worth the cost trade-off for not having to deal with constant maintenance on the DSG setups. For me - the level of performance and tunability with absolutely no messing around is the selling point. I just want to play and have a good time with very little effort or maintenance. Added bonus is the fact I can turn the PSI up or down to stay in line with field rules.
@@SOFTOPS Yeah mate, neither am i 😂 I love HPA and the idea of it. I would love to run it but I just can't justify spending that much. I have to agree that AEGs require a lot of maintenance which is a pain. Hopefully, the units do come down in price. Did you find much of a distance difference between AEGs and HPA? Would be a cool video idea to compare the 2 side by side (obviously a high-end AEG build). Great video as always, super high quality and informative.
@@lonehiker6648 completely understandable. After posting this video a few tweaks were made to the system making it a lot more air efficient. Plenty of others out there now as well running *very* small tanks and lasting quite a while which is quite cool.
Yeah fair shout man. Not everyone's cup of tea currently. I don't collect oodles of blasters so it became a no-brainer for me. Another option that might be worth considering is the Kythera's. Limited stock around the world, but they don't come with any electronics so they're cheaper. Downside is you need to get the mag terminals wired to a microswitch because we have powered mags.
Before you read my comment, i am not trying to offend anyone or talk bad about anybody’s hobby. I play Airsoft for about two years and recently RUclips decided to show me Gelblaster videos and i cant see the advantage over Airsoft. I just seems like a downgraded Airsoftgun (less accuracy and range). I know that some countries like Australia don’t allow Airsoft but are there other reasons?
No offence taken, it's a really good question! Early on the Gel Blaster tech was pretty average - either manual type mechanisms, or hopper fed. In most places where Airsoft isn't legal, this was the starting point for the Gel Blaster hobby. The capabilities obviously were nowhere near what Airsoft can do. At some point AEG style systems and designs were used to design magazine-fed blasters... which slowly lead to complete V2 and V3 style gearboxes etc, which is why now it appears more like a "downgraded airsoft". Whilst the tech has improved, so has the ammunition. Early on everything was super squishy and inconsistent.. now we have gels that are a lot harder and more consistent, which is why we're starting to get comparable (but also not quite) performance to airsoft. As @dalidog mentioned, the other side is it hurts a lot less. So we're starting to see Gel Ball pop up in some unexpected areas (e.g. in the US and UK) because its a bit more family and corporate friendly. Fewer welts, less risk etc. I've also seen some speculative discussion about the whole banning of "single use plastics" and whether or not that'll impact the use of BB's in airsoft, so there are some people looking at Gel Ball as an alternative. Pure speculation though.
I'd say 90% of Gelballars here would agree with you dude. Truth is we ALL want airsoft in Australia, we know it's far more greater but unfortunately Gelball is what we have to settle for the time being untill boomer red tape government step down.
Sounds like a you beaut set up to get. But for us noobs just getting into all of this. I see you didnt actually tell us ,how much a set up like this is gunna set one back. Or is it like the old saying. "If you gotta ask. You cant afford it".
Hey mate - the price back then was higher than it is now, but it still costs a pretty penny. If I recall correctly, the average for a HPA setup these days is around $1,500-$1,800 depending on where you go and what you get. But, that includes tanks, regulator, line etc. You can get cheaper if you get lower-end engines, do the install yourself, etc. Once you have the kit, additional HPA blasters become comparable in cost since you don't need all the air supply parts again. For comparison though, you'll probably end up forking out similar for a high-end competition build if you're going down that path anyway. Biggest advantage between the two is that HPA needs next to no maintenance and is easily adjustable.
Hpa still fail its simple and paintball is the proof where do you think these systems come from,and a good quality gel bladter doesnt need to be HPA simple as that and mosfets five instant resopnse nothing of what you say makes it worth it but great vid in aus its 3k for polarstar unit alone and sorry champ my 433fpr DMR is as reliable as any hpa
@@patrickpreston98 my point is you wouldn’t pay $20 for a bottle of “premium” water would you? there is no reason they should be that expensive other than that’s just the price they gave them.
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AKA and Ausgel Ultra (and equivalents brands) gels have definitely allowed us to enhance the hobby. Way more than what I think most people realize.
If you've ever worn a flannel shirt while filming an airsoft of gel blaster video, go ahead and hit that subscribe button.
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Great video, very in-depth
good stuff mate !! well done
Great video and very informative. You answer a few of my concerns about the HPA system. Thanks. Look forward to you next video
awesome video mate, good run down on hpa been wanted to know about it and love your setup, keep up the good work
Thanks mate!
Very informative video Trent, thank you.
Veey infrormativecvideo it was a pleasure to wqtch and keep em comin champ !!
solid insight man, gonna start saving
Can't wait for more people to get in to HPA need more people to make it more of a challenge my F1 wells needs it haha
Honestly is a complete game changer. It will be interesting to see how things shift as more of these start hitting the market.
@@SOFTOPSp.s buying a compressor is worth it
Get a F2 if you want a F1 get a Jack instead F1 isn't reliable and it's basically a Jack, I play airsoft and the F2 is a closed bolt meaning the nozzle works like a AEG so you have less hop up compatibility issues if any where the Jack and F1 are open bolts so you'll need to experiment with hop rubbers
@@user-yb7yl7oo7y the Fusion is the best P* and it can be switched between open bolt and closed bolt and you can program burst functions and semi lock it in case your field is semi auto only
@@isaacshively6705 yeah I no but picked it up cheaper than a jack n it's for gel / got a mate with a fusion and the lowest he can tune it to for gel is 400fps so well above Feld limits near me haha
Can't wait until I can get a HPA setup! Great video too, if you want to borrow a zoom camera for further testing let me know :) It's a good way to show your accuracy on camera.
I ran a remote line on one of my PB guns for years and never had it get in the way. You honestly forget it's there.
I can’t wait for someone to DSG their HPA *perfect*
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Great vid 👍
You can build an AEG to do the same things as an Hpa
No you can't, i play airsoft and have had DSG builds and you cant get the trigger response or as consistent fps out of a aeg
Where could i get that gun
Are the spray on jeans part of the package? 🤔
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I see that you're running that PTS goodness nice one
PTS gear is so damn nice. I love it
Can hpa blasters be silenced?
What adapters or kits do I need to fill the hpa tank??? I have a compressor but connections on tanks way different.
Not sure on the specifics of that. I know a few people are running their own compressors and have adapters, I just don't know what those are. Might be worth googling to see what people use to fill paintball tanks - same thing.
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I have an airsoft polarstar inside an airsoft V2 M4. Is it possible to convert it to shoot gels by only swapping the barrel setup and magazine? Very informative video btw
Hey mate, really good question. In theory, yes mostly? No idea how the M24 is set up.
For gel blasters we need to have a rubber piece glued onto the nozzle as there is no hopup rubber to achieve air seal. So you'd need to look into that. Otherwise, can't really see why not.
can you run glow gels through hpa blasters
Yes, but they're less durable than other gels so you might need to dial the PSI down a bit. I could run glows at 120 psi though for reference.
The main issue with glows is they stick in mags, which causes feeding issues.
@@SOFTOPS thanks mate about glow gels i did notice the gels do not feed very well in the mags . i was getting one or two gels out the barrel after 10 shots did not no of it was mag feeding issues or the polarstar f2 nozzle is to quick to allow gel to feed in the t-piece . did you find a way to make the gels feed better? thanks for time. david
@@davecherrill7181 yeah so the F2 can be completely tuned, including the timing for it to open and return to battery. This means you can slow it down until you get clean feeds on softer gels, which is super, super handy. In reference to getting glows to feed better - its a mixed bag of control growing (don't let them sit for days in water - let them grow to size then drain), and rinsing them. The glows seem to have some kind of sticky residue, so I've found in the past if you rinse them a few times with fresh water, you can get rid of most of that residue and they feed a lot nicer.
How much did it cost?
Damn, now I want a HPA..
Hey softops how did you like the new fort and upgrades we did?
Phenomenal. Absolutely pumped to get out there and play games in the updated space, you guys are absolutely killing it.
hey man is this just like a private arena or did you make that in your spare time?
Hey mate - this was filmed at Milsim East & The Village, which is a charity-run Gel Ball field at Wacol, Queensland. I WISH I had the time and space to make a private arena!
can u convert this to use c02 bulbs in butstock or something?
You can if you get the Polarstar UGS. I've heard of a few of these running around but haven't tried it myself. The main concern is that the bulbs will probably only last for 1 magazine or so. We aren't blessed with lowcaps yet so it kinda seems like a waste.
@@SOFTOPS yeah i am assuming the same but you can get x2 bulbs or one of the bigger bulbs in butstock. i seen a video review but lost the link. I may just wait for the c02 carbine blowback market to arrive first. Waiting for some to hit the market, atm the only one avail is nwell mpk5 green gas blowkack but fps is quite low altho it is pretty cool for its realism
Wolverine Inferno Gen 2 hpa unit, can you buy this from overseas and bring it into Australia?
Dunno mate, I went through a Polarstar dealer here. I'm not sure what the process is for bringing in parts. Usually individual parts are fine, but blasters are not. Just not sure how ABF etc want to handle something like the HPA engines.
SOFTOPS thanks. Would be alot cheaper.
can u install a blowback kit?
Hey Jamie - there is a HPA specific blowback feature from Wolverine called a "Quake Stock". I haven't seen any examples it being installed with an F2 though.
hey man i am a bit confused on how the ordering and buying party works. do i just message stig industries on Facebook?
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Let me know when come up to Donnybrook, we’ll do some cool photographic stuff for your page 👍
How much would it cost altogether
Depends where you go, and depends on exactly what you're after. I ended up paying around $2,400 for the install which included the stuff in the HPA config list + labor. Prices may vary depending on effort, cost of parts etc as well so keep that in mind.
I'm the kind of guy that wants maybe 2-3 solid platforms and I'm happy; I don't need a collection of a million blasters. So all of those benefits made sense to me to drop the cash. There are some retailers offering "out of the box" HPA solutions - i.e. they've predone the conversion and you just buy it as is for ~$2k. I don't have any experience with their handiwork, or the line of products they're using so I can't speak for quality etc.
can u or SOMEONE IN RUclips to make a video on how to put a polar star f2 to a gel blaster PLS
Dud Link buy please
Get a dive scuba tank and purge it from the big dive tank to the hpa
I play Airsoft and I run hpa but I'm curious about what engines you use
I'm personally running a Polarstar F2. The guys that did my install are also doing Polarstar Jacks and Kytheras. Outside of that, a few retailers are playing around with Wolverine as well... so basically everything, but a few tweaks are needed - gel blasters use powered mags, so we need to have power running through the system to keep ammunition feeding.
@@SOFTOPS never had a F2 but I've owned 2 fusions and a F1 and now I run a Wolverine Gen2 Reaper which is a closed bolt like the F2 but it's a single solenoid and it's programmable for burst or semi locked
@@SOFTOPS has anyone tried flat hopping a Gel Blaster hop rubber?
@@isaacshively6705 there is no hop up rubber, gel blaster use a plate system attached to the end of the barrel. Traditional airsoft hop up units break the gels.
@@dankdestroyer6965 ohhh I see
I see ya didnt list the PRICE im guessing 5k
Not quite. ~$2-$2.4K installed with 2 88CI Carbon tanks.
@@SOFTOPS holy crap I can by a real rifle for that cost, but good to know. Maybe cost will drop in time if gov don't try to license gel ball.. but with this tech coming in it will not be to long.
Just so U know, in the future a retro arms gearbox is rediculous overkill for an hpa build. You can use the worst gearbox out there as long as it clips together nicely. The reason for this is there's literally no forces acting on the gearbox anymore.
From what it sounds like as well you want the closest thing to real as U can get. Have a look at the wolverine quake stock
Cool to see hpa coming transfering from Airsoft to other things.
Also with the f2 your rate of fire is roughly limited under 40. The rate of fire setting on the f2 is more of a maximum rate of fire setting. The other settings you set in the fcu will govern your maximum rate of fire. You dp, dn, and dr settings are the time the solenoid does stuff for U who has a long barrel your max rate of fire will be lower than someone with a short barrel
Thanks my dude. Have you seen any setups running the quake stock on an F2? I saw the stock a couple weeks ago but wasn't sure if it'd be compatible.
@@SOFTOPS im pretty sure its compatible with any hpa engine, but im not 100% sure. best bet would be to contact wolverine and/or polarstar on facebook. im pretty sure it just plugs into the the extra port on an fcu that can be used for all sorts of things from tracers to drum mag winding.
both polarstar and wolverine have absolutely awesome customer service.
HPA is available at Mango Hill Skirmish for 4500 psi tanks NOT 3000psi.
Handy to know! Thanks!
If it can consistently hit a human size target at 100 yards then I'm in.
pretty sure airsoft would be pushing to do that?
softops need to change their name to softcocks
I cant justify the cost of HPA.. Sure its got tunability and consistency, but so does an AEG with a DSG set and a mosfet.
Each to their own - not trying to spark an AEG vs HPA battle 😂.
I've spoken to the techs that worked on my build and I know they're actively trying to bring the cost down significantly. As more units become available in larger quantities I imagine the cost will get to a more comparable point. I've spoken to a few guys who have build some pretty remarkable DSG builds and now converted to HPA, they don't want to swap back. For them (so not my direct experience) it comes down to maintenance as well. In their opinion its worth the cost trade-off for not having to deal with constant maintenance on the DSG setups.
For me - the level of performance and tunability with absolutely no messing around is the selling point. I just want to play and have a good time with very little effort or maintenance. Added bonus is the fact I can turn the PSI up or down to stay in line with field rules.
@@SOFTOPS Yeah mate, neither am i 😂
I love HPA and the idea of it. I would love to run it but I just can't justify spending that much. I have to agree that AEGs require a lot of maintenance which is a pain. Hopefully, the units do come down in price. Did you find much of a distance difference between AEGs and HPA? Would be a cool video idea to compare the 2 side by side (obviously a high-end AEG build).
Great video as always, super high quality and informative.
The bulkiness of a airtank turns me off.
@@lonehiker6648 completely understandable. After posting this video a few tweaks were made to the system making it a lot more air efficient. Plenty of others out there now as well running *very* small tanks and lasting quite a while which is quite cool.
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The prices that I've seen so far just for HPA internals have been $1000+. I'll care about it when the becomes more affordable.
Yeah fair shout man. Not everyone's cup of tea currently. I don't collect oodles of blasters so it became a no-brainer for me.
Another option that might be worth considering is the Kythera's. Limited stock around the world, but they don't come with any electronics so they're cheaper. Downside is you need to get the mag terminals wired to a microswitch because we have powered mags.
I feel like I don’t have enough flannel now....
You can never have enough flannel
Before you read my comment, i am not trying to offend anyone or talk bad about anybody’s hobby.
I play Airsoft for about two years and recently RUclips decided to show me Gelblaster videos and i cant see the advantage over Airsoft. I just seems like a downgraded Airsoftgun (less accuracy and range). I know that some countries like Australia don’t allow Airsoft but are there other reasons?
The only other difference is that it doesn't hurt as much. I think some fields in the US are bringing gel ball in for kids.
No offence taken, it's a really good question! Early on the Gel Blaster tech was pretty average - either manual type mechanisms, or hopper fed. In most places where Airsoft isn't legal, this was the starting point for the Gel Blaster hobby. The capabilities obviously were nowhere near what Airsoft can do. At some point AEG style systems and designs were used to design magazine-fed blasters... which slowly lead to complete V2 and V3 style gearboxes etc, which is why now it appears more like a "downgraded airsoft".
Whilst the tech has improved, so has the ammunition. Early on everything was super squishy and inconsistent.. now we have gels that are a lot harder and more consistent, which is why we're starting to get comparable (but also not quite) performance to airsoft.
As @dalidog mentioned, the other side is it hurts a lot less. So we're starting to see Gel Ball pop up in some unexpected areas (e.g. in the US and UK) because its a bit more family and corporate friendly. Fewer welts, less risk etc. I've also seen some speculative discussion about the whole banning of "single use plastics" and whether or not that'll impact the use of BB's in airsoft, so there are some people looking at Gel Ball as an alternative. Pure speculation though.
I'd say 90% of Gelballars here would agree with you dude. Truth is we ALL want airsoft in Australia, we know it's far more greater but unfortunately Gelball is what we have to settle for the time being untill boomer red tape government step down.
Dawg you need to visit America and try airsoft
Bruh, I would if I could 😂😂
@@SOFTOPS dude I used to play like every weekend its awesome
I ain’t carrying a bottle around bro lol unless its rum
why will no one sell me hpa? - ignoring that 1800$ engine at ceh
Sounds like a you beaut set up to get. But for us noobs just getting into all of this. I see you didnt actually tell us ,how much a set up like this is gunna set one back. Or is it like the old saying. "If you gotta ask. You cant afford it".
Hey mate - the price back then was higher than it is now, but it still costs a pretty penny. If I recall correctly, the average for a HPA setup these days is around $1,500-$1,800 depending on where you go and what you get. But, that includes tanks, regulator, line etc. You can get cheaper if you get lower-end engines, do the install yourself, etc.
Once you have the kit, additional HPA blasters become comparable in cost since you don't need all the air supply parts again. For comparison though, you'll probably end up forking out similar for a high-end competition build if you're going down that path anyway.
Biggest advantage between the two is that HPA needs next to no maintenance and is easily adjustable.
Can somebody start stealing and remaking Airsoft HPA's for Gel Blasters so I can minigun you all
nah. ill stick to electric. this looks like a clumsy setup for casual players
Hpa still fail its simple and paintball is the proof where do you think these systems come from,and a good quality gel bladter doesnt need to be HPA simple as that and mosfets five instant resopnse nothing of what you say makes it worth it but great vid in aus its 3k for polarstar unit alone and sorry champ my 433fpr DMR is as reliable as any hpa
Hpa engines are unreasonably expensive, I can buy a real rifle for the same price
Go ahead and shoot someone with a real rifle and see how that turns out. This is the dumbest reaction to the price of airsoft I’ve ever heard.
@@patrickpreston98 😂 ooooor........ I could just buy an electric one? 🤔
@@patrickpreston98 my point is you wouldn’t pay $20 for a bottle of “premium” water would you? there is no reason they should be that expensive other than that’s just the price they gave them.
@@patrickpreston98 gelsoft