On a rewatch it becomes obvious that Howard wasn't sober in this scene. His erratic behavior, condescending attitude to former coworkers, and that sudden outburst at the end. It's always tragic to see such a brilliant legal mind lost to a cocaine addiction, but at the same time you have to appreciate Vince's subtle storytelling.
@@superking-nicolaslucau7252please tell me how these fans are any different than Dexter Fans, or any other series on anything? You knew they’re annoying, so why’d you go into the comments
@@Infamous_Val_05 chucks hatred of Jimmy was always irrational and personal and he put his feud above the interest of the fim. In the first season, He told Howard not to allow Jimmy to work on the Sandpiper Case, which leads to Jimmy refusing to hand over the case. Chuck would rather have his own company lose a lucrative, multimillion dollar case then let his brother work at HHM
@@rorylynch7775 that is definitely not something "disastrous to HHM" lol. The fact is, Howard only considered Chuck a threat to HHM after the Jimmy vs Chuck feud in S3, not before.
Yessss... ;w; It's as if her success is all thanks to HHM. No.. She made the most of the opportunity. She clearly has discipline, drive and commitment.. and she was very above board. There would be no success without her making the most of it...
My favorite recurring theme of the Breaking Bad universe will always be the idea of failed father/parental figures. Walt with Walt Jr. Hisenberg with Jesse Chuck with Jimmy (brothers, but Jimmy looked up to him more than anyone he knew) And Howard and Kim.
@@rorylynch7775 "-and you, I tutored for the bar" -Chuck; "-all that time I've supported you; looked up to you-" -Howard Howard was raised as a lawyer both alongside his Father and Chuck. Howard was just as smug and self-assured with an erudite like Chuck in his corner. Overconfident of his esteem and character. It would be hard for anybody learning just as much that their partner whom they've been raised by and idolised could be truly so fragile and corrupted, so they take it out on those whom they feel are to blame. Howard changed after Chuck's death- it was a lesson in humility. Something Chuck had little of where it counted. OP claims Howard was manipulated; you claim he was afraid to challenge him; I believe neither. Howard saw Chuck as his Hero and failed to realise his downsides until they were out of control and unfortunately tore everything apart.
@@Infamous_Val_05he look up to Chuck and view him and his father as his Hero, until Chuck shown his downside and his worst tendencies. That's why Howard was changed after season 3 as he learned his lesson through humility and is more forgiving than before.
Nah his sin was concealing Chuck’s illness from his clients and the insurance carrier. Granted he had his reasons, the firms reputation and high respect for Chuck, but he shouldn’t be practicing law if he’s mentally ill and his judgment questionable.
@@AgieSebie Sure. People with narcissistic personalities are constantly considering which of their peers is playing the same game they are. I think some of them assume that everybody plays it. That game is to find angles to gain some kind of superiority over others. (And proving that you're able to keep up this facade is one aspect of that superiority.) Because of how elaborate their web of deceit becomes over the years, and because of the subtleties they use themselves to dominate others, they readily develop concerns about other people trying to strategize against them. It's very uncomfortable for them to be uncertain of their social standing-of whether there's an unknown quantity in their midst who could conceivably upend the chaotic social dynamic they've been cultivating. They are very relieved when they arrive at a firm conclusion about whether one of their peers is trying to best them. Because of the nature of the game they know so well and see so readily, there's no way for them to find out that someone is not playing it. There are two ways to settle this doubt. The first is to do what they'd regard as submission if someone did the same to them. The second is to make sure the other party knows about the adversity between them. They're very fragile people. Although Howard is portrayed as being very self-confident and Kim is portrayed as being somewhat vulnerable, I think this reveals that she is narcissistic.
Totally condescending douchebag move by Howie, patronizing Kim in front of her top client. The doc review comment was a dig that she did not begin life at HMM as an associate. Good to she she hit him back. If only Howie would have known that this was going to end getting shot in the head by a high profile Narco :( There is a life lesson in there! Be nice to your ex colleagues, you never know!
Going to point out what Kim and Jimmy did to Howard after was completely unjustified and borderline evil. And he most certainly did not deserve getting murdered (because of their actions I might add, though to be charitable, they couldn't have known Lalo would show up).
@@IamCanadian3333 Howard dying was literally not their fault- that was bad writing, don't bullshit. Not their fault entirely. Jimmy didn't even know Lalo was alive.
@@Hysteria98 You are the one bsing here, don't project. They didn't knowingly put him in the crosshairs, but it is accurate to say he wouldn't' have died if it wasn't for them and their scheming against him because of their soulless greedy attitudes. More Kim's fault, but still Jimmy played his part in it. Yes it was their fault, and no it was not bad writing. You personally not liking how something turned out doesn't equate bad writing despite your arguing otherwise lol.
@@IamCanadian3333 By that logic anyone could have turned up at any time- even just to say hello and as long as Lalo did too, their death would have been on their hands also. It's the same difference.
Both of them were adjacent to a feud that had damaging consequences. Nobody was in the right; everyone was at fault. At the end of the day, weirdly…the only way to approach that sort of situation is like a lawyer.
The earliest point to work from means you realise that everyone closest to Jimmy failed him. -His parents failed him; too weak and naive to realise the path their son had took -His Brother; curdled by favouritism he felt owed, but was neglected by -His (best?) friend; a fellow con who accepted him for who he was, validating his path as a criminal -and then Kim; another long-time friend he grew to love who in the end only truly loved him for the same reason Marco did, and because it let live the same love she presumably had for her mother. She reveals this, and then abandons him. Jimmy has nothing left except the legacy he has built as a criminal Right from episode 1, Jimmy is doing heinous things to bolster himself- trying to be legit is hard for an ex-con because Jimmy succeeded in life by his charisma and skills. Is Chuck to blame for not nurturing him when he wanted to be a Lawyer? It didn't help, but then who would have ever expected that person to hire Skateboard con artists to perform a deliberate car crash for extortion? Jimmy never did change, but it's possible he could have had Chuck not taken such umbridge to trying.
The final season is so damn good and there were so many incredible moments that it casts a shadow over everything that came beforehand. Combine that with Lalo and the cartel basically at war with everyone, where it makes it difficult to remember anything else.
@@leolimitedition Arguably the funniest scene in the entire show (S2E5 - Rebecca) is when Jimmy rolls up to the court parking lot with his 'Babysitter' Erin and notices a battered Mike in the toll booth. The exchange is hilarious and I burst out laughing so hard probably just as much as I did the first time, I can't believe I ever forgot it. No one to this day has ever posted it on RUclips, and this channel needs to do so quick-smart.
@@Danny-sd5vm Nah, many details and scenes were forgotten. You have to remember, 10 episodes every year- this show ran for 7 god damn years, and I never rewatched any of them until it was done.
@@citrusretna2088 yes man didn't deserve that. it's like when Hank died although Hank knew everything at the end, but Howard has no idea. He was completely innocent 😢😢
@thebiggestcauldron - could be interpreted that way. A lot of the reason the pair disliked Howard - and why were able to sabotage him so effectively - is ‘cos of his ‘douchey’ and high-strung energy.
There is something funny about this series.... it's actually 2 dozens of people having some kind of war with each other. They each each other personally, know where they live and what they do.. but somehow this little war stretches over years. Clumpsy warriors...
I didn't like the Kim-Jimmy-Howard story line. It didn't make sense. It seemed that the writers were just writing stuff. And it ended weird with Kim confessing her sins and walking off. I liked the drug/cartel side of the series much better.
On a rewatch it becomes obvious that Howard wasn't sober in this scene. His erratic behavior, condescending attitude to former coworkers, and that sudden outburst at the end. It's always tragic to see such a brilliant legal mind lost to a cocaine addiction, but at the same time you have to appreciate Vince's subtle storytelling.
thank you for this, you are a gem of this world
BB/BCS fans are so obnoxious, its like they only know one joke and have to repeat it every chance they get
@@superking-nicolaslucau7252please tell me how these fans are any different than Dexter Fans, or any other series on anything? You knew they’re annoying, so why’d you go into the comments
@@superking-nicolaslucau7252bro hasn’t seen Dexter fans
@@superking-nicolaslucau7252 Still not as bad as Sopranos fans ngl
Good to see the “sit, I insist!” power move in action.
Being able to pay off student debt is the most unrealistic thing Kim Wexler has done.
LOL
why?
Kim was making bank at this point. I am sure gatwood was paying her over 6 figures.
if you look at the check it's 14k and change. No way Law School cost that much lol.
In her defence she did it in the 2000's when people still had money to spend.
I still can't believe Howard was high on coke here. Greatest legal mind I ever knew on the greatest illegal substance I ever knew
You are definitely one of the greatest commenters i ever knew
I like how Howard ripped the check and instead of letting it fall in the street he put it in his pocket to not litter
Kim wasn't wrong. Bringing Chuck back put a risk to the firm, which eventually did when the insurance found out about Chuck's mental illness.
It’s not like Howard had a choice in that. Dude had to go bankrupt just to get rid of Chuck
Even if Jimmy hadn't swapped the numbers, Chucks behavior would have proved disastrous to HHM in some shape or form eventually
@@rorylynch7775no? Chuck becoming unhinged and endangering the firm was a result of his feud with Jimmy, which started with the numbers swap
@@Infamous_Val_05 chucks hatred of Jimmy was always irrational and personal and he put his feud above the interest of the fim. In the first season, He told Howard not to allow Jimmy to work on the Sandpiper Case, which leads to Jimmy refusing to hand over the case. Chuck would rather have his own company lose a lucrative, multimillion dollar case then let his brother work at HHM
@@rorylynch7775 that is definitely not something "disastrous to HHM" lol.
The fact is, Howard only considered Chuck a threat to HHM after the Jimmy vs Chuck feud in S3, not before.
Can’t blame her tbh, I would be annoyed with Howard lowkey holding that “HHM Alumni” and student loans over her head
Yup, it was so obvious that the logical next step for kim in such a predicament would be to drug Howard and ruin his professional life
Yessss... ;w; It's as if her success is all thanks to HHM. No.. She made the most of the opportunity. She clearly has discipline, drive and commitment.. and she was very above board. There would be no success without her making the most of it...
Yeah not to mention reminding her how he punished her by making her do menial and time consuming Doc Review.
3:02 love the detail of Howard looking over
I noticed that too in this rewatch. Also lovely Aerith PFP
4:25 that come back goes so hard
No
Meh
Howard is clearly abusing cocaine here.
Jesus, look at poor Howard. The rock is a cruel mistress.
Now Howard and Kim, you BOTH sit, i insist! 😂
Holy hell, Patrick Fabian stole every scene in which he was featured
Don't mess with Kim. She is made of sterner stuff.
You can see the exact moment where the cocaine hits Howard
My favorite recurring theme of the Breaking Bad universe will always be the idea of failed father/parental figures.
Walt with Walt Jr.
Hisenberg with Jesse
Chuck with Jimmy (brothers, but Jimmy looked up to him more than anyone he knew)
And Howard and Kim.
Kim was a failed daughter
Howard's only sin was he let himself be manipulated by Chuck
Chuck had nothing to do with this conversation
Howard wasn't so much manipulated, it was more that he looked up to Chuck and was afraid to challenge him even when he knew it was wrong.
@@rorylynch7775 "-and you, I tutored for the bar" -Chuck; "-all that time I've supported you; looked up to you-" -Howard
Howard was raised as a lawyer both alongside his Father and Chuck. Howard was just as smug and self-assured with an erudite like Chuck in his corner. Overconfident of his esteem and character. It would be hard for anybody learning just as much that their partner whom they've been raised by and idolised could be truly so fragile and corrupted, so they take it out on those whom they feel are to blame.
Howard changed after Chuck's death- it was a lesson in humility. Something Chuck had little of where it counted.
OP claims Howard was manipulated; you claim he was afraid to challenge him; I believe neither. Howard saw Chuck as his Hero and failed to realise his downsides until they were out of control and unfortunately tore everything apart.
@@Infamous_Val_05he look up to Chuck and view him and his father as his Hero, until Chuck shown his downside and his worst tendencies. That's why Howard was changed after season 3 as he learned his lesson through humility and is more forgiving than before.
Nah his sin was concealing Chuck’s illness from his clients and the insurance carrier. Granted he had his reasons, the firms reputation and high respect for Chuck, but he shouldn’t be practicing law if he’s mentally ill and his judgment questionable.
I JUST realized that right before Kim shoots Howard in the side of the head she says "stand I insist" which is a nod to this scene! Bravo Vince!
Better call Saul, in many ways it's better than breaking bad.
True
Once narcissists become uncertain of whether they're in a competition with someone, they establish that they are.
elaborate?
@@AgieSebie Sure. People with narcissistic personalities are constantly considering which of their peers is playing the same game they are. I think some of them assume that everybody plays it. That game is to find angles to gain some kind of superiority over others. (And proving that you're able to keep up this facade is one aspect of that superiority.) Because of how elaborate their web of deceit becomes over the years, and because of the subtleties they use themselves to dominate others, they readily develop concerns about other people trying to strategize against them. It's very uncomfortable for them to be uncertain of their social standing-of whether there's an unknown quantity in their midst who could conceivably upend the chaotic social dynamic they've been cultivating. They are very relieved when they arrive at a firm conclusion about whether one of their peers is trying to best them. Because of the nature of the game they know so well and see so readily, there's no way for them to find out that someone is not playing it. There are two ways to settle this doubt. The first is to do what they'd regard as submission if someone did the same to them. The second is to make sure the other party knows about the adversity between them. They're very fragile people.
Although Howard is portrayed as being very self-confident and Kim is portrayed as being somewhat vulnerable, I think this reveals that she is narcissistic.
If Kim told you to sit, youd sit.
Totally condescending douchebag move by Howie, patronizing Kim in front of her top client. The doc review comment was a dig that she did not begin life at HMM as an associate. Good to she she hit him back. If only Howie would have known that this was going to end getting shot in the head by a high profile Narco :( There is a life lesson in there! Be nice to your ex colleagues, you never know!
Going to point out what Kim and Jimmy did to Howard after was completely unjustified and borderline evil. And he most certainly did not deserve getting murdered (because of their actions I might add, though to be charitable, they couldn't have known Lalo would show up).
She was in doc review as an associate for a while
@@IamCanadian3333 Howard dying was literally not their fault- that was bad writing, don't bullshit. Not their fault entirely. Jimmy didn't even know Lalo was alive.
@@Hysteria98 You are the one bsing here, don't project. They didn't knowingly put him in the crosshairs, but it is accurate to say he wouldn't' have died if it wasn't for them and their scheming against him because of their soulless greedy attitudes. More Kim's fault, but still Jimmy played his part in it.
Yes it was their fault, and no it was not bad writing. You personally not liking how something turned out doesn't equate bad writing despite your arguing otherwise lol.
@@IamCanadian3333 By that logic anyone could have turned up at any time- even just to say hello and as long as Lalo did too, their death would have been on their hands also. It's the same difference.
Howard really sealed his fate in this scene.
Love how the rudest thing Howard does is insist on paying another person’s student loans.
He also passive aggressively insulted Kim, bringing up her punishment in Doc Review.
Both of them were adjacent to a feud that had damaging consequences.
Nobody was in the right; everyone was at fault.
At the end of the day, weirdly…the only way to approach that sort of situation is like a lawyer.
The earliest point to work from means you realise that everyone closest to Jimmy failed him.
-His parents failed him; too weak and naive to realise the path their son had took
-His Brother; curdled by favouritism he felt owed, but was neglected by
-His (best?) friend; a fellow con who accepted him for who he was, validating his path as a criminal
-and then Kim; another long-time friend he grew to love who in the end only truly loved him for the same reason Marco did, and because it let live the same love she presumably had for her mother. She reveals this, and then abandons him. Jimmy has nothing left except the legacy he has built as a criminal
Right from episode 1, Jimmy is doing heinous things to bolster himself- trying to be legit is hard for an ex-con because Jimmy succeeded in life by his charisma and skills. Is Chuck to blame for not nurturing him when he wanted to be a Lawyer? It didn't help, but then who would have ever expected that person to hire Skateboard con artists to perform a deliberate car crash for extortion? Jimmy never did change, but it's possible he could have had Chuck not taken such umbridge to trying.
I would literally throw out all of my furniture if Kim Wexler lived with me .....
wait why would you......oh right.
@@keerthanseralathan4954 i had a shrewd suspicion your hunch was correct...... new furniture obviously! look at the money she was making!
@@keerthanseralathan4954 i had a shrew'd suspicion your hunch
was correct..... look at the money she was on! she'd help buy new furniture!
@@keerthanseralathan4954 why
I, uhhh...I don't get it
I barely remember any of these scenes lmao
I understand what you mean, I watched the whole show for the second time last month and realized how much I forgot
The final season is so damn good and there were so many incredible moments that it casts a shadow over everything that came beforehand. Combine that with Lalo and the cartel basically at war with everyone, where it makes it difficult to remember anything else.
@@leolimitedition Arguably the funniest scene in the entire show (S2E5 - Rebecca) is when Jimmy rolls up to the court parking lot with his 'Babysitter' Erin and notices a battered Mike in the toll booth. The exchange is hilarious and I burst out laughing so hard probably just as much as I did the first time, I can't believe I ever forgot it. No one to this day has ever posted it on RUclips, and this channel needs to do so quick-smart.
@@Danny-sd5vm Nah, many details and scenes were forgotten. You have to remember, 10 episodes every year- this show ran for 7 god damn years, and I never rewatched any of them until it was done.
You’re a stoner too huh?
I LOVED this show!!!!!!
Howard's really a top notch nice guy.
Him and kim would have been a giga duo
Oh yeah- clearly(!)
Howard's demise was really sad
@@citrusretna2088 yes man didn't deserve that. it's like when Hank died although Hank knew everything at the end, but Howard has no idea. He was completely innocent 😢😢
Kevin is a side sitter.
they need to add rhea seehorn in nobody 2 cast.
Do you guys intend to make the entire breaking bad/better call Saul series free on yt?????
i really doubt it but they basically already are by posting pretty much every scene in the show lol
@@jacksonhansell3796 they won't stop until they run out of scenes
I don’t understand how everyone started saying Howard was such a nice guy toward the end of the series. He was clearly being a douche here.
He plays a game of hustle for sure but by the same token he has a lot of employees under him for whom he’s responsible.
He was in the early seasons, but after Chuck’s death he betters himself and cares more for his employees.
@@edwardcatt2399 He's subtly putting Kim down for no reason, next to her biggest client.
@thebiggestcauldron - could be interpreted that way. A lot of the reason the pair disliked Howard - and why were able to sabotage him so effectively - is ‘cos of his ‘douchey’ and high-strung energy.
There is something funny about this series.... it's actually 2 dozens of people having some kind of war with each other. They each each other personally, know where they live and what they do.. but somehow this little war stretches over years. Clumpsy warriors...
Is this before or after Jimmy shows them the commercial?
Before. Quite a bit before actually.
Around the same time, i think.
@@Infamous_Val_05 No, this scene is before Jimmy had those anti-MV commercials made. Well before. It's even before Chuck's death.
I think this guy was having an affair with Kim.
It's like being back in middle school! 🤣
Why we miss characters from special shows 😢
I just love how FAKE and disingenuous Howard comes off on the surface. He is missed. 😂😭
❤
Her name should have been Karen.
She is nothing like a Karen
Your name should've been karen
I didn't like the Kim-Jimmy-Howard story line. It didn't make sense. It seemed that the writers were just writing stuff. And it ended weird with Kim confessing her sins and walking off. I liked the drug/cartel side of the series much better.
Totally disagree, it was a great storyline and made perfect sense.
I agree it felt really over the top. It was genuinely confusing at times why they were doing what they were doing.
It made perfect sense because Kim’s disdain for Howard was a major motivation in her helping Jimmy sabotage the Sandpiper settlement.