THE BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS & SNAKES cast on Lucy Gray’s fate
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Rachel Zegler and Tom Blyth have ideas for what happened to Lucy Gray. #happysadconfused #joshhorowitz #theballadofsongbirdsandsnakes #thehungergames
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In my dulu head she's ok and os working on her revenge album to be released after Snow's death
LOVE IT 😂
Revenge album 😂
I bet she'll be the Panem version of Taylor swift if she was lucky enough to see him die
(Boot-Stompin' Version)
after snow deaths? shhh ruthless
I think that it's okay that we dont know what happened to Lucy Gray to engage public into discussion and curiosity which makes the novel richer and critical.
This!
exactly!! so many nowadays miss on how much good it can do
It’s not ok she escaped to district 13
Yeah and maybe make us feel the way Snow feels lmao . WTH happened to Lucy Gray
I think Lucy Gray should have been able to continue being a performer, given that decades later people have heard of and know the songs she has written and performed. She probably lived her life like a gypsy, moving from place to place and performing under different names just to stay hidden.
In the books Katniss’s dad is the one who taught her Lucy gray’s songs. Even though snow banned music in the districts. This is why people believe Maude Ivory, Lucy Gray’s cousin is Katniss’s grandma because in the books Lucy Gray says, “Maude Ivory never forgets a tune.” So it is believed that Maude Ivory passed Lucy Gray’s songs to Katniss’s dad and then he taught Katniss the songs.
@@jiniatabassum1444 is Maude featured in the movie or just the books
@@robertpalatsky5017 she is in the movie
I lowkey want a sequel story focused only on Lucy.
Honestly I don't. I loved her ending like a mystery ❤
destroys her character. almost as bad as lucy gray being or raising president coin
there were many loose ends in the film. how does tigris become tigris, what is the relation between lucy and katniss, etc. they probably left them for a possible sequel, but it would depend on the box office. i would personally like to see more.@@reginoramos9030
@@reginoramos9030I saw a comment that theorized that after the attack on Snow, she lived in a cabin in the woods in district 12 which I think is very plausible.
Yes please, I would live to see that ❤❤❤
I think I have a decent theory on this… I think Lucy Gray survives bc I agree with the actor that plays Snow that Snow spent the rest of his life in fear, and that is perfectly played out in the fact that he subconsciously tries to get a grasp on Katniss through telling her “let’s promise to never lie to one another.” Trust is the only thing that matters so much to Lucy Gray, and being completely honest is trust. And I think Snow gets terrified seeing katniss and starts to become paranoid that Lucy is somehow behind Katniss. Like she’s “mentoring” her somehow…. So if Snow can get Katniss to be completely honest with him I think on some level he hopes to be lead back to Lucy Gray.
interesting theory.
I truly believe Lucy Gray survived and I hope we get a sequel of Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes focused on Lucy Gray!
I hope so, I think she also she could be president coin
I think that’s the running theory.
@Reneebenson That's an actual theory people like to talk about, but I honestly don't think she's coin, because coin was in her 50s. i think and Lucy gray would have be in her 70's or 80's around the time the events of the original books took place if I remember it right
I hope she does, too.
It's literally obvious she survived idk why people are so contrived about whether or not she survived , she's literally related to katniss and they make it obvious in the books 😂 the songs katniss sings were all written by Lucy Gray , including the hanging tree... who only lucy and snow know
Snows reaction to katniss singing would have been so good if we got ballad first instead of as a prequel
I remember in the original trilogy books Katniss runs into a mom and daughter that are trying to get to 13 in the woods. Assuming Lucy Gray lived alone out in the woods for awhile, it is a nice thought to think the three of them lived out their lives together maybe.
And maybe just maybe after the war and the capital is taken over by Katniss and her and peta have kids , maybe they run into the three of of them and Katniss meets old Lucy Gray and she is an adopted grandma to her and Petas kids. Along with the other two mom and daughter (their names slipped me lol) from the original books in catching fire.
The reason I think they could have made it out there to Lucy is cause when Katniss goes to 13 she asks about them and no one knows them. Katniss assumes they died in the wilderness but I feel like Susan Collins wouldn’t spend so much time and focus on them for that reason.
I reread the books recently and I think I have to disappoint you. The mother and daughter she meets in the woods are actually a teacher and her student from district 8 (I think?), the one that produces textiles and clothing. So they weren't living in the wilderness or anything, they just escaped their district recently
@@anhu154 And they never made it to 13, either. They died in the wilderness, same as, I believe, Lucy Gray.
@@Rick_King If I remember correctly, the Capitol arrested them when they were in District 12 and then they were made into Avoxes. One of them served Katniss during the 75th Hunger Games.
@@Libune The Avoxes you are referring to, one was a girl Katniss and Gale saw outside the fence of District 12. She and her boyfriend were trying to escape. The Capitol killed the boy, and captured the girl and made her an Avox.
The other was Darius, a Peacekeeper from 12 who was a friend of Katniss. Romulus Thread had him arrested and sent to the Capitol, to await the same fate.
And then Snow had these two Avoxes assigned to Katniss and her crew during training.
Bonnie and Twill were never mentioned again, and I presume that they perished somewhere along the way.
And for the record, Bonnie and Twill were not mother and daughter, they were student and teacher.
I also believe that Lucy Gray survived. She probably continued to perform with the Covey but since she was a suspect in the murders, she never came back to District 12 and just lived the rest of her life in the wood or District 13 since the lived underground and no one knew it still existed.
I believe that when Snow was bitten by the snake, not only did he begin to hallucinate, but we can see when he shoots at Lucy, she was wearing the dress, not what she was wearing before. I think she survived
If you read the books it said that the snake had no venom . I don't know if the films tell the same story as the books though?
Seeing Lucy Grey for a brief moment before getting shot never happened in the books
Yeah he she used the mocking jays to conceal the sound of her movement and then he shot through the foliage. @@NiceTwentyEight
@@MirandaMichealSmithPetersonhe could be fueled with murderous rage that it made him see her
In the past i was hesitant about rachel from things id seen and heard but you know what leave her alone i actually enjoyed her role as lucy gray she did such a good job and tbh the film isnt even about her its about snow he had way more scenes than her anyway but you know what im gonna back her up she probably had a bad day did an interview and said things she didnt relize i do that all the time with people and i dont mean half the stuff i say 😂 I loved tom in this film too he did amazing ❤
Or maybe she meant what she said and there's nothing wrong with that, because all she said it was the truth.
Is she president coin????
@@Reneebenson Absolutely no chance.
@@Rick_King why not
@@Reneebenson First, Coin was about 50 at the time of the 75th Hunger Games. If Lucy Gray was 16 during the 10th, it would make her about 81 when Coin was 50.
Second, Lucy Gray was essentially a good person. Coin was pure evil.
Third, when Lucy Gray left District 12, she was alone and facing the coming winter. I believe she died from exposure within a few months of leaving 12. How could she end up in District 13, if nobody even knew it existed?
And remember Bonnie and Twill from Catching Fire (the book)? They never made it to 13; why would we think that Lucy Gray could make it there?
I love the Lucy Gray Baird character, but let's face it, there's no way she could survive on her own.
And Maude Ivory is Katniss' grandmother!
Rachel Zegler is Gorgeous ❤
I think she survives if you watch the film; she goes on the ground and if you see where Snow fires his gun; it was in the trees
i truly believe she survived and went up north
why is tom so well spoken!!! I'm so jealous of the way British people speeck and articulate so well.
Oh yeah, Lucy Gray lives on for sure... even if it’s only as a taunting memory of President Snow! XD
I do like Rachel’s take of honouring Dean Highbottom’s words of Lucy surviving Snow.
It‘s like she sang „the poem of Lucy gray“: there are footprints and suddenly there are none, But she was still Seen in the wild.
She is a Mystery,but definitely a survivor,she told that Snow
Snow had been bitten by the snake, right? Is it possible he was just hallucinating when he saw her running through the woods and that's why he couldn't find her body.
I wasn't a fan of Rachel Zegler after her controversial statements re: Snow White etc. However, credit where credit is due, she did a phenomenal job with Lucy Gray and the chemistry she and Tom Blyth created with their characters felt genuine and heart-breaking.
No blood trail. Footprints end on road. Ran off with Heath!
She's def alive but disappeared for her own safety and sanity.
anyone else think she went to 13 since president coin and her have so many similarities that a few of my friends and i think she is Lucy daughter
Snow left the white roses on top of district for lucy grey in the 4th movie cause he know se was still alive there
Obviously she escaped north, found district 13, realised she was pregnant, gave birth to twins one boy and one girl, thought the boy would turn into his father so she snuck back into 12 to give the baby to the covey to raise him and she returned to 13. She married a man with the last name Coin and gave her daughter that name. Lucy died when her daughter was young but not before telling her daughter the name of her father who then watched on capitol TV as he rose through the ranks, living a life of luxury that should have been hers while the boy grew up in 12, raised by the covey and had an amazing singing voice which made a girl fall in love with him, he became a coal miner, they got married, had kids and he tragically died in a mine explosion. His oldest daughter volunteered to be in the hunger games to save his youngest daughter, who he named Katniss after the swamp potato he would pick with his family at the lake. Katniss survived the hunger games but in the 3rd quater quell she had to compete again and was rescued and taken to district 13 where she unknowingly met her aunt who had become obsessed with overthrowing the capitol so she could become president and live the life that should have been hers. Katniss saw through Coin's facade and instead of killing Snow aka her grandfather she killed Coin instead.
I would really like Katniss to be a descendant of Lucy and Snow for a few reasons
1. It would explain his weird obsession with her if she actually had a tangible connection to Lucy grey
2. Donald Sutherland said that Snow wanted Katniss as his successor. Which would make sense if she was a Snow, Snow lands on Top
3. It ties in to the symbolism of the Jabberjay and Mockingbird (Snow and Lucy Gray Baird) making the Mockingjays.
4. His grandaughter copying Katniss's hair would be a lot sweeter if they were actually related.
5. The flowers on Lucy Gray's dress are Katniss and Primrose. Its was her mother's dress so it would tie the Everdeen sisters to their ancestor.
6. Lucy Gray dying in childbirth would be interesting considering Snow gave her his mother's shawl. She died in childbirth
The Maths would suggest there would be 2 generations between Lucy and Katniss so they'd be her Great Grandparents. The director seems pretty sure they aren't related though. He thinks Katniss is the grandaughter of Lucy Gray's cousin Maude Ivory. Lucy gray giving her child to Maude Ivory though...
I do not want her related to Coin though, that would be very random.
@@04nbodthis! I think it is highly likely that she was pregnant and had a little blonde boy (a mini-snow) ❄️ I don’t know about Coin though
I think it would have to be a daughter. The Daughter marries Mr Everdeen, their child is Katniss' dad who teaches her all Lucy Gray's songs @@ClaireEmilia
Another reason I love it is because Crassus Snow started The Games and his descendant will have ended them. They say at the end, put Snow's grandaughter in the arena. They'd be oblivious to the fact that they had already done so.@@ClaireEmilia
I think it would make the most sense if Lucy found out ahead of time she was pregnant, and fearing what Snow has or would turn into, decided to fake her death in order to save the child from Snpw. Lucy then gives birth to that child, possibly gives it away or dies in childbirth, then that child becomes either parent to Katness/Prim. Though we’lol never truly know.
I may not like Rachel Ziegler but she is definitely onto something here.
I hope Lucy gray survived and lived in peace
Lucy most certainly died. Writers dont like to kill off the main character or protagonist. That seems to be the most likely reason for her ambiguous fate. Itd be too hard to believe that she escaped Snow who was armed with a gun, by herself, in the middle of the forest, defenseless, with no food or water, & somehow never resurfaced and didnt show up to District 13 at the rebellion against Snow.
In fact, Lucy Gray may have died even after the shot by Snow who dies from the cause of a Snow bullet shot and she had not appeared in the original Hunger Games trilogy
I think Dr Gaul had her offed. She's been the Darth Sidious to Snow this entire film. She is frustrated that Snow won't let her die in the arena. So as gamemaker she manouvres people around the board. Her whole thing is that life is a neverending Hunger Game. So why not move people around the board in real life too? She wants Snow to give up his attachment to Lucy so has Lucy abducted and killed and planted one of her snakes to make it look like Lucy tried to kill him. Hence he will return to the capitol having learned his lesson about the treachery of the districts
Nah, she mentioned to him earlier that she valued loyalty above love and without it, the person may as well be dead to her.
She backed up her statement in a sort of cruel way. Plus he saw her running through the trees.
Did he see her running? Or was it an hallucination from the Snake Bite?
It also doesn't make sense that she would just ditch him after everything over that one thing. @@MsEdgely
They already set up Gaul casually 'disappearing' people. Clemensia with her bad case of flu and probably the president's son too. Snow says to Sejanus he could end up just another body in Gaul's war. Its also something Snow does later to people he can't control. He kills the people they love. Lucy gray's footprints stop, because she was lifted off the ground. The snake is one of Gaul's.
that's nice. i mean the guy who played snow says why you're wrong, but it's nice
Its meant to be a mystery! That's the point of Lucy Gray. He'll never know and it will drive him mad.@@femalegays
darth sidious lmaoooo
Us Latinos love you Rachel.
if you watch the hunger games 2012 it hits different after watch ballad of songbirds and snakes
Yes… and if you read the book too
she went to sing to the trees in the woods about billy taupe.
Didn’t her footprints lead to a surface that wasn’t easy to leave footprints on? 🤔 If not then she probably realized she was leaving foot prints, stopped, walked backwards taking care to step right in the prints she already left, and then yes, climbed a tree. It would explain why her voice sounded like it was coming from above and echoing all over the woods before the mockingjays started mimicking her.
She's definitely still alive. When he "shot her" he was seeing a hallucination, thus why she was wearing her original dress. Though they wanted the ending to be mysterious, it's not. They obviously must've added that detail in for a reason, therefore she's 100% still alive.
Wonder how the story would change if in the movie lucy gray and snow actually went up north and found district 13 and decided to live the rest of their lives their. Or in a story that places like 10 years after the events of the prequel movie like during the 20th hunger games, Lucy gray releases a video showing to the world that she’s alive and reveals how snow tried to murder her.
I think it's clearly obvious she survived why never show that she died same with the book it's so it's always open for her to be alive
I don’t think that she is dead and hid away.
why do i get the feeling that she lived, but suicided not long after, due to all the PTSD and pressure and stuff
Hopefully some people from District 13 found and took her in and she lived an okay life afterwards
He looks like Harry Kane lol 😂
All these movies are horror stories.
How so?
The people in the various districts live in a nightmare world.
@@joeydoesstuff2142
I saw the movie last night and bawled. I hated how self righteous Lucy turned out to be, a lot like Katniss. Katniss married peeta although I don’t think she loved him. It was all pride for what gale had to do in the games. Same with Lucy gray. She couldn’t accept she had to survive like snow. It was all just morally black and white wrong to her. So annoying.
My question is why they felt it necessary to screw up the book?
People wondering whether she survived have the reading comprehension of a junior highschool student ,, that or they didnt read the books..
Its obvious she survived and katniss is a distant relative, granddaughter or related to mauve , lucys sister... 🙄
A 6th grade reading comprehension level could figure it out , its left open ended but the hints throughout make it so obvious,,, the open ended endingbare jist for stupid people to talk about and make suzanne more money , suzanne isnt dumb, she knew what an uproar leaving it open ended would cause
People want answers , most people are too stupid to read btwn the lines 😂
all that talk about reading comprehension and you still got maude ivory being lucy gray's non blood related cousin wrong
“Oh hur hur I’m an elitist scum bag that like to put people down and think I’m the smartest person in the room dur dur.” Pathetic
Omg you’re actual stupid I’m losing braincells!
And for someone saying a middle schooler is smart than us you sure make a lot of grammatical and spelling errors 💀
It's maude not mauve and they are not sisters. Seems like your reading comprehension needs the work.
Tom Blyth - SUPERB ACTING Rachel Zegler... Overdone and nearly unwatchable
The actress did a good job but is so insufferable in real life
She ruined snow white being all woke and hating on men , and she didn't even read the books or she'd know she survived 🙄
what's wrong w/ hating men? you gay or something?
@andre-rn9ui YOU definitely haven’t read the book b/c it ends the same way as the movie, we don’t know if Lucy Gray survives or not. Also you seem so annoying irl 🙄
After the disappointment the movie is - nobody cares.
What disappointment??? Everyone loved the movie…
my take is no body no crime if she did die where did the body go
haha there's no way she died as she had like a huge head start.
@@gwhhsbnjioshbjio thats what im saying we saw foot prints but they disappeared and she vanished he probably winged her maybe hit her in the arm but she was clearly able enough to get up and disappear
do another movie