IMPORTANT CORRECTION at 4:22 thanks to kranqi7496's comment below (I am unable to pin comments cause I don't wanna give my real life ID to RUclips lol): "Acolytes are hard capped to 4 on corrosive, the green shards do actually break this cap, however you would need + 10 total to full strip them so the point is moot" This means you would need 5 normal green shards to even be able to strip an acolyte.
Thank you for the comment Hayden. I plan to expand on this topic in a larger video further on. This was just a spontaneous release because I am a mesa enjoyer.
I think his point is that this is pointless min-maxing. They are min-maxing for corrosive prox when they are never really applied, it doesn't make sense. @@Dubulcle
His critique wasn't that their builds are resource hogs, it was that the status chance is too low on the regulators to take advantage of the green shards shield stripping. And his build uses 5 fused shards, so it's also a resource hog lol.
@audiewalters8275 well at the end another complaint was that the purpose of the builds in those videos weren’t mentioned/glossed over which wasn’t the case for brozimes video at least. But yeah the main point is that the builds are unrealistic which is definitely fair
This is exactly why I don't showcase builds and just talk about what the frame does so people can take that knowledge and do what they want. PS I'm just trash at building, lol.
Thank you for the comment Nova! At the end of the day, the more knowledge enters the community, the more builds & gameplay will improve and change for the better. For that reason, your approach is also good and very much necessary. It's a similar approach to what I got in the works now. My next upload will open the can of worms known as diminishing returns, with the first entry focusing on specifically critical hits. In my opinion, this topic is something that a lot of people often get wrong and I want to address it in detail. If you are interested please do give it a watch.
While I do agree with what you're saying, I want to defend Brozime a little bit as in his video he does explicitly state multiple times that it's a highly unrealistic build and goes into depth about how it literally kills every single enemy in the game barring a few unspawnable bosses without the shards.
Hey WiredChicken, I have seen it multiple times now and the only actually informational remark regarding the shards' necessity is a single sentence towards the very end stating you would run into roadblocks at level 2000(!! That means we can assume them to be useless before this level) if you ran the build without them. In my opinion that should have been a major segment explored from the get-go so people don't craft the shards only to never get value from them. The build being unrealistic itself is something I have no issue with. It's specifically the way the shards are discussed. I could have been more clearer in the video regarding this point. It's gonna be covered among others things in the follow-up I'm making.
There is no "defending" Brozime. He's well known for misinformation and bad takes regarding various aspects of Warframe. If you find yourself entertained by him that is wonderful, enjoy. That said, if you come away with something useful even better. Regardless he is passionate but not very open-minded or accurate at times. Simple as that.
@machinech183 this is the first I've ever heard of someone saying that about Brozimes videos, my personal group has always had good things to say and I've not seen otherwise outside of my group either. Could you point me towards some RUclipsrs you'd consider better?
Just to note - acolytes are hard capped to 4 on corrosive, the green shards do actually break this cap, however you would need + 10 total to full strip them so the point is moot, just an observation - also I wouldn't be so quick to discount a crit mod because you can get it from "other sources" - whether or not you build into crit very specifically depends on what breakpoints you are trying to hit. Explaining how this math works is much better in my opinion then saying to mod for more damage, as getting addional crit tiers is an absolutely massive damage jump and pure oranges with 18-55% chance at reds is easily achievable with orange shards and ceramic dagger/secondary outburst - no adarza needed unless you want 100% reds about 50% of the time. One last thing is between nexus/equilibrium - I really think this comes down to mission type so I gave two loadouts that are identical with this being the only swap
Hey Kranqi, thanks for the details. Acolytes being capped is something I totally missed! Regarding the crit, I am simply showing what the differences are in the Mesa builds as of the recording, not saying that it's a better build. I did not want to remove every single one of my shards and simply showed the differences for the sake of transparency. I should've been clearer on that point. I'm currently waiting on a red tao drop which will let me complete my Mesa build. At that point I will test different variants of crit tiers vs raw modded dmg among other things, before I release it to the public. The statement of building more damage refers doing that instead of going for armor strip/status, so that would include more raw damage and/or higher crit tiers. I was also a little unclear on that one, sorry.
@@Norrschein no worries at all - I really appreciate the spirit of this video in terms of not wanting to generalize - it's really tough to strike a balance between giving all the available information to people and overloading people with information
Getting additional crit tiers is not a massive damage boost. The first crit is the most valuable by far. Each tier of crit adds your crit damage to the normal damage of the weapon. Using this build as an example they have 6.3x crit damage. The first crit takes a hit doing 1x damage and makes it 6.3x damage, 530% increase, that's huge. The next tier, orange crits, now does another 5.3x damage, additive to the last 5.3x damage, for a total of 11.6x, this is slightly less than double the damage of the yellow crit, it's an 84% increase. Much much less than 530%. Then the red crit? The fabled red crit that warframe youtubers strive for, the golden goose of build content? That takes you to 16.9x damage, or just a 46% damage increase from orange. Additional crit tiers are nice, but at most (with infinite crit damage) an orange crit is double yellow, and a red crit is 50% more than orange, tier 4 crits are 33% better than red, tier 5 25% better than tier 4. Sorry for the long comment but this is another thing that happens in warframe youtube a lot, and it annoys me.
@@kranqi7496 going going from 200% to 300% crit chance (actual crit chance, not the mod values) at 2x crit damage gives 33% more damage and at infinite crit damage gives 50% more. Almost all mods are additive to the same bonuses, crit damage, damage, and elemental all behave that way with mods within each category. So adding serration when you already have merciless takes you from 460% damage to 625%, or 36% more damage. A lot of times I see youtubers add a crit mod where serration of all things is mathematically better. Adding a 90% element mod when you already have two 60/60 mods takes the element damage from 120% to 210%, for 75% more damage of that element. Or 51% damage if you include the base IPS of the weapon in the calculation. Crit damage adds on to all tiers of crit, so long as you have at least 100% critical chance the final damage modifier on the weapon is just additive again, so adding bladed rounds onto viral sense takes you from 220% to 340% (as there is the base crit damage), so it's an increase of about 55%. I don't know if that all made sense warframe maths is awkward, but tl;Dr is that red crit and beyond is overrated, only go for it if it's easy to reach, or you do the maths on other alternatives for the slot.
the biggest sign that content creators are dumb as brick for me was when I saw all of them jump on the "secondary outburst + melee crescendo on Mesa". I am not spending half the mission on finishers when I can just roll in with 9x initial combo. What a joke.
So, I believe a lot of the points in the video are fair statements to be made in a generalized sense. However in a few cases brought up, there are a couple issues that aren’t quite as specific as he makes it sound. Firstly, the level cap thing *used* to be unrealistic. It used to be to find a level of enemies of any value would take hours of play in a single continuous mission that is unrealistic to the general player base at large. However, we now have content (specifically steel path Duviri) where you can have the average Joe Schmoe going 20 minutes into a run and finding those levels of enemies where lacking adequate preparation as such becomes a problem. Yes, it currently stands as only one part of Warframe, but it is a part that rewards players with the greater incarnon system and worthwhile arcanes that a large amount of players will be actively hunting for. So having a build ready for that content will make the general crowd ready for it is helpful to the community. Especially if this is a look into possibly having more of this type of content in the future with equally rewarding loot. It is still technically more specific than the rest of the gameplay, but it is not a rare or even uncommon occurrence for a player to want to go into these modes because the resources obtained from them are that good and enticing to all forms of players. A lot of returning players came back from years long hiatus just for that content. Secondly, I agree that general content creators have to be very careful in warning players about how hefty the resource sink is for these builds and the level of necessity that each one entails. I just disagree with the example content creators (specifically Brozime because I don’t know about the other one mentioned) used for the video. Brozime is very meticulous and specific about informing players that a lot of the builds he makes on each video are not necessary for by in large a lot of the game and most are overkill. Hell mention that some of the enemies he tests these builds are will be the toughest non boss enemies to kill and that they don’t currently exist in the game at all in that state. He’s constantly replaying the entire game in free to playthroughs so that he can keep himself abreast of the current situation for new and returning players so he knows what will be worth their time to farm and build. The Kengineer and AZNvasion also are in this vein, to list a couple of examples of content creators not mentioned in the video who also make a point to call out their own builds when they are not necessary or even important to achieve for most situations or the average player and you’re better off spending your time doing anything else. I’m not trying to diminish any of the points brought up in the video, but just informing that some of these unrealistic measures aren’t as unrealistic anymore (although they do retain some level of specificity) and that the specific creators mentioned are not really exemplary of the issues stated (for anyone unfamiliar of them who might end up avoiding their helpful content because of this video)
I read the first part of your message and had to address something (sorry didnt read it all). Steel Path Circuit is vastly different than other content in warframe, to the point of it not even being relevant to the topic of build crafting. Sure we can talk about builds for this game mode in isolation, but let's be honest. Decrees supersed the build
@@TripleyouI was literally going to come down here and say the exact same thing. What good is armor strip Mesa even at level 2k when you’re double dipping on crits, have mild aoe on every proc, and regulators ramp up to 2x their normal fire rate?
@@Tripleyou I don’t disagree with your point on decrees. But that point is also reliant on making it to that point in the event you don’t get the necessary decrees to make it till that point. You could get all the decrees you need in just three rotations, or you could get nothing but melee decrees for an hour with nothing but a heat sword or dark dagger to your name. Decrees can make building easier, but a good build cannot be undermined. There’s also the matter of the second point I made, which doesn’t necessarily have to do with the builds themselves
Fair points excluding the circuit one. However please use paragraphs going forward. And While I can see some above, ithink you need to add more. While informative above pointing out errors in the video, it was very hard to read. I like the entire row of space for paragraphs, since not all devices are the same. I know it's not typical Grammar, but it makes reading so much easier.
@@BamaMophi If you get only melee stuff for an hour you extract and try again, plus that is wholly unrealistic, I've played hundreds of hours of circuit and with the rerolls alone you can force any build you want early on.
I feel like youtubers really just follow the most complicated path possible with their builds and its very frustrating when i just want a primer on what to build for
If you cant find that then thats on you lmao. You're complaining about a non-existent issue. If you dont want "overcomplicated" builds why seek them out?
Hey Fluffie, Yes! A lot of people simply go into walking turret mode but this augment took the mid air bullet jumping Mesa and made it reach new heights. Rolling guard especially is very nice with this augment as you can stay in ult and do not need to waste energy recasting.
@@NorrscheinThanks for the tip, I’ll see if I can incorporate it into a Mesa build. I’ve recently been releasing 0 forma steelpath builds, and I’ll see if I can make one for Mesa 🥳
If you want to farm vosfar for arcanes from sp void cascade, you will eventually fight +1k level thrax after only an hour. Void cascade is a meta "loot cave" atm
Can't wait for that Mesa build. She my fave but I am definitely that Schmuck that only has like 3 archon shards thus far and don't know what mods/Arcanes/shards are required in order to comfortably do steel path missions because I just build what I see online. So, seeing someone who might go in depth about it would be nice!
@@toogood5186 Decent ability strength, good duration, turn on shatter shield, and have adaptation slotted into a mod slot. Adaptation is really the only thing that isn't immediately apparent on her, but having that + shatter shield is like a 97-98% damage reduction with only 230ish ability strength. Add in shooting gallery to jam the guns of several nearby enemies and it turns all but tanky melee attackers into a joke, and that's only because melee ignores shatter shield.
Hmm, my impression is that 1, casual players have more opportunities to see high level enemies in 2 modes steel path cascade and the circuit. Both game modes scale enemies much faster than normal content so casuals could more reasonably see higher level enemies here. Additionally at some point sentients and demolyst units require a little extra grease. 2….your critique that other content creators are essentially over investing when sharing their builds for general audience feels…forced? We’re talking about Mesa here. Going with your critique there is absolutely no reason to be using archon shards anyway because she could kill waves of enemies before that just as efficiently for those “lower level” enemies. In your build you even took off a crit chance mod to make room for another mod…there’s absolutely no reason to do that for general starchart
Hey Duke, You are absolutely right on point 2. The point I am trying to highlight is the vagueness and lack of showcase regarding the pointlessness of these things. Brozime does cover this, although not in as much detail as I think would be better, but many of these RUclipsrs straight up don't mention this at all. Calling it overkill just doesn't cut it in my opinion when these builds use insane amount of resources. I don't have anything against people making these builds and I make stuff like this myself. I just want to avoid people blowing their resources without being fully aware of doing so.
@@Norrschein "Calling it overkill just doesn't cut it in my opinion when these builds use insane amount of resources." That's why he said it's overkill multiple times? Sounds like you might just have a comprehension issue?
Brozime is known for doing overkill builds on Mess just for the funsies. He even stated that several times in his latest video. If people take these videos in a way they are not intended to be used, i don't see why you would put the blast on the build itself.
Preach. I really feel videos like this aren’t very healthy considering there are countless ways to make Warframes. And Brozime being a guy that a lot of times has normal content and player lvls in mind. It was just a fun over the top build he made and like you said he says quite a lot that it’s overkill and that “you really don’t need this” on his builds.
brozime in his video says his build is halrious overkill his other mesa build refreshs are for casual play the build in the video was literally about maxing out mesa to her full potential
The point still stands armor strip is useless to most average players and I see too many players wasting mod capacity when enemies die with barely any status even running the net
Lately come to realize youtubers builds are utter dogsh*t with more holes than swiss cheese. When you point out any contradictions or things they missed they'll either ignore the comment or reply with some generic 'thx for comment but actually' excuses and damage control. Ninjase is the only one I trust for my purposes which is mostly Circuit long run/levelcap builds to make it less painful each week. Other than that, a lot of the big names seem like they fell off for me, trying to shill suboptimal highly convoluted solutions to simple problems, some never showing their build outside the sim for a good reason.
1. It’s unless to min max for general gameplay, you’re going to waste stats or have depreciating ones. 2. Min maxing is irrelevant hell, modding competently is irrelevant for 5 and out players. Even full drop rotation and or SP. 3. Survival sucks and scales slow. Disruption and void cascade scale much faster and are more important to the average player because of arcanes and relics.
To add: it's also very impractical to use Regulators to armor strip at higher levels/level cap. With how slow it takes to proc all 14 corrosive status effects, you're probably going to get one shotted first before even applying the first 5 since you're exposed to damage. You're better off using a corrosive primer / weapon with high status to get the job done and then use Regulators after you strip, and even then you're still leaving yourself vulnerable. As for the rest of the video, I think its the unfortunate effect of how Warframe youtubing has worked for the past 5 years. Creators get more clicks out of "LEVEL 9999 STEEL PATH ONE SHOT META BROKEN IMMORTAL" builds out of people regardless of their skill / knowledge level. In all fairness, most builds that scale up to level cap also work very well for normal content that the average Warframe player does without requiring a ton of set up and I think that should be obvious for most people who play the game. If you understand how to mod, you can tweak most builds to your preferences which unfortunately the game doesn't do well to explain. Warframetubers can't always account for every use case, I mean these videos are always like 20-30 minutes in length and I'd assume 70% of the audience just skip to the build section based on the stats you see when hovering on the video.
Yeah, the main reason that the only bloke I take seriously among the creators is TacticalPotato. No BS and cool recommendations. I still follow him after 10 years in the game
I really like this practical approach to building frames, using synergies that work consistently rather than theoretically or using an exploit or bug that’s definitely going to get patched - funny enough, Excalibur using archon continuity and a toxin chromatic blade is a LOT better compared to mesa at stripping armor (edit: using green shards, I mean)
I haven't tested this, but running it through my head. Exalted Blade has 15% base status chance. Assuming 200% power strength that makes the augment provide an increase of 600% status chance, making one swing have 105% chance to proc toxin (and corrosive). So you are swinging ~14 times to fully strip? Am I missing something?
@@Tripleyou The problem with The build listed here(and probably Brozime's but I haven't seen it) is that Heat(in the build) and more importantly Physical types(innate), and Viral(From Nourish) are competing with the corrosive procs. If you aren't using Nourish every status proc on a toxin Chromic blade will be a toxin proc, which then procs corrosive. Meanwhile if you only have 120% Corrosive damage, Regulars will only proc corrosive 54% of the time it procs a status, and the chance gets lower when introducing Thermite Rounds and Nourish. This is kind of the issue with relying on status chance to armor strip in general. Tangent, but is there a reason to use corrosive over archon toxin for Regulators? The heat doesn't seem relevant when you're suppose to be "full stripping" armor anyways.
@@robertobear1749 solid information, but I fail to see the connection to the topic at hand. I do agree that adding nourish to a toxin chromatic build would be a bad call. The much stronger option is Wrathful Advance. And to follow up on my other post, 14 swings to fully strip is way too slow for my taste, but again I havent tested it myself, so I might be missing something.
@@Tripleyou The connection was in comparison to the regulators, which was the first comment. As for chromatic in the vacuum, Exalted blade is also notable in that there's actually two "hits": The blade itself, and the wave. Both aspects of it also have infinite punch through, so it doesn't care about enemy density. When talking about the time it actually takes to swing, the forward attack(which most players will likely be using by default) you do 4 swings every 1.4 seconds, or 1 swing every 0.35 seconds at 1 attack speed. this means it'll take 5 seconds to stack 14 procs an enemy with waves alone, or 2.5 seconds with both the wave and the slash. Exalted blade's default attack speed is .833, but using say Quickening bumps it up to 1.17, which further bumps it down to 4.27 seconds and 2.17 seconds respectively. From there it's mostly just dependent on if you consider that too slow.(just note that all other combos take at least twice as long as the forward combo)
I’ve heard Brozime say that his Mesa build is pretty unnecessary and overkill. It was a tier list video or a plague star video iirc. Aside from that, I really appreciate your thoughts on the issue since I didn’t even realize that I don’t need level cap builds
Hey, thanks for the comment! It's one thing to call it unnecessary, but for armor stripping shards specifically it's not just "overkill". It's not functional for any realistic enemy level that you would encounter playing the games' normal content. I tested it up to roughly level 450 in the same kuva survival and got no use from my green shards. That was well over 3h+ spent. My guess is you would need to be in the thousands regarding enemy level to even get consistent armor strip. That's not mentioned whatsoever, meaning the shards are just a waste of resources for anyone not playing that niche scenario, which is why I put that in the video.
Thats why if i look up any kind of build, i only use it as an Inspiration. Just to see what general direction i could go or if there's maybe a super good mod that i am not thinking about or dont have yet. An example would be Volotile Quick Return for heavy attack glaive builds. I guess its not a must-use but i like it and i discovered it through a guide.
I remember in 2019 when everyone kept saying "when are you ever going to meet a level 150 corrupted heavy gunner outside of endurance runs" and then in 2020 steel path came out where everything was over 100. It's not about the here and now it's about what might come. These overkill builds may stay overkill forever, but they might not. Also another thing I forgot to add, have you checked brozimes channel for warframe builds? cause he has builds for everyone already. The reason those videos coming out are overpowered theoretical builds is because he's already done the every day use builds for each warframe. He's done so many builds he's had to make a whole series refreshing them all.
Hey 2b, Yes that's right. I mentioned in the video that either one of these builds is fine for any content really. My point specifically is that high status and/or armor strip is either less value or outright non functional for anything that is not an extremely high enemy level. However, neither of the original build videos address this point sufficiently in my opinion.
@@Norrschein But that's what "any" content means, it means it can handle any enemy in the game, including level cap, where status and stripping becomes much more important. Mostly seems like you don't like the way they are building specifically and would have them rather build to your own preferences. Some people find enjoyment in pushing everything to its limit, some people find comfort knowing they are equipped for anything, and some people, like you, might enjoy dealing just "enough" damage and having other qualities enhanced. These builds aren't being presented as the best/ must have, and actually Brozime gives plenty of alternative routes as well. Anyways i need to rewatch the video because i watched this while farming so i didnt give it my full attention.
@@2BsWraithThe problem is how vague these statements are. A build video is essentially a recommendation at the end of a day. Calling the armor strip mesa good for any content is true but it's unintentionally misleading people into spending resources for something they might never need. If it was clear from the start that this build can't realistically armor strip anything below level 1000 or so, the amount of people who would re-create it will significantly drop and it will naturally only be done by people who actually want level cap potential. Point being that more details and specificity will be good for the community since resources are expensive, especially the new combined shards. I do prefer more practical builds but that's just a preference.
As someone who loves brozimes videos and I think he makes good content however you have some great points in this video. There’s nothing wrong with some constructive criticism:)
I think a lot of creators fall victim to wanting to launch vids with "MAX DAMAGE NOW!!!" trends. We all know it's for views and that's fair. It is interesting to see what they come up with. But to see new players watch those videos and think that is the end goal, then go out and blow real money on attaining these very specific builds is pretty disheartening. I've played this game before Ember Prime first came into existence and have quit and come back time and time again. One thing I can assure everyone is that the meta builds being produced today will not be the same in a year from now. Trust me. A prime example of this is my old Soma Prime build. Everyone knows Soma Prime used to be an absolute monster. I left it modded according to what worked 5yrs ago. Upon my return, the gun is absolute crap in its current state. Not only because of (what is now considered poor modding - even though it was Brozime's build from back then), but also because of nerfs, etc. My whole point if you are a newer player is. Learn to mod properly, don't over commit to any build (aka buying the meta mods, etc.). Keep your builds for general use. I rarely go past 3 forma on most weapons, because I don't like having to get multiples of super rare mods and because I don't do longterm endurance runs. I have no need for it and I'd wager to guess most normal players don't either. The best take away from any big YT build video is the concept. Don't just look at the end result, but rather, the thought process and realization involved in producing the builds. You'll end up saving yourself a lot of time and money and end up having more fun. Trying to go back and re-forma a build because you maxed it out and it no longer works a yesr later sucks big time.
i get where you are coming from and agree to some extend. 100% agreed new players should never rush to get a new meta build within the first couple months of the content release as for one they prob arent ready for it yet anyway but by the time they actually get it the build might be changed. they havent been around long enough to look at a new update and know what de will prob nerf. i didnt get the topaz shard specifically because i knew it was going to change and de history is usually nerf to the ground and maybe a year later it will get some buffs. i 100% disagree on the modding and forma aspect. every player should be investing into weapons that fall ~high b and up on a general teir list if they like the weapon. it is not that much investment for time for the gain of having a proper build on a weapon (note not saying to get rivens as they are a meme just having good mods and a full build). frames are iffy as most frames only need 1-2 forma to be in a good enough spot to be perfectly fine with some synergies and moderate loadouts. the reinvestment every year or so i used to think was annoying but thb i kinda like it now. usually its not even that much reinvestment anyway. 1-2 forma at most and i get to have some fun finding some new combos and a fresh take on what was a static build at that point. on top its not that the builds from then were bad or that the mods got nerfed (tho it is true that some weapons got nerfed) its more or less that the builds just got power creeped. its more like oh this new stuff can make my old gun i liked better at the cost of having to play the game and get the new stuff. to each their own on how they wanna play i just personally dont really understand the thought process of de introducing stuff to freshen up the game loop is bad (out side of de nerfing stuff on usage data as that is just retarded and generally either doesnt fix the core issue or is just a slap in the face for what the community finds fun). the real money thing is kinda meh as well. people are going to spend money regardless it just comes with having a premium currency on top of youtube videos. the people that are going to buy stuff are going see something cool and buy stuff regardless if its from youtube videos or some random in their lobby. been plenty of times newer players asked me for my loadout its none of my business how or if they obtain the items
@smolneko550 True. I had to condense a lot of what I wanted to say. I felt like I was saying too much. You pretty much finished my thought process(es). People will buy anything if it's the trend and you are right, it won't take a YT's influence to encourage them to spend the money. I come from a simpler time when big builds didn't take Helminth, Archon Shards, Rivens, or Arcanes. So, admittedly, my age is showing. You make good points. I highly recommend newer players stick to doing 3 forma max and avoid spending any umbra formas. Unless they find a frame or weapon that you absolutely love. Just don't go jumping all in on something because of what someone said and play how you want and for what makes you happy. It's supposed to be for fun before anything else.
@@azurearcade342 yeah i been around for a while as well. bout 7 years or so. i always tell people nothing in warframe is worth buying with real money. i tend to see things that will get nerfed ahead of time so some things i dont bother with but most of the stuff that released like the arcanes, shards, helminth i didnt see as invalidating my old builds but a reason to play the game again and see what kind cool builds i could make. the biggest problem i think is that people tell new players/returning players that its the bad modding but the core of the builds are exactly the same as they were those years ago. just with new gear to outsource the stat increases allowing more utility options(in some cases tho its still kinda sad we went from "the build" to kinda 3 generic builds but it is progress.)
Genuinely people r better off using the green shard as “ability damage on corrosive” as it functions as a faction multiplier for exalted weapons as well. Mesa’s best friend has always been pillage as it gives her a source of both armor strip and and survivability. When I found out that both adaptation and shatter shield work on overshield i never swapped off.
Vid is kinda old, but How can i tell which Mods to Put on Frames? Like how can i Gauge whether a Frame Benefits more from Strength or Duration, etc? I've just Recently got back into Warframe & i've been Trying to Refresh the Frames i Used a lot prior to my Break (Mesa, Harrow & Nyx to Name a few) & i'm Finding that Going off of RUclipsr Templates can be a Mixed Bag of Results sometimes.
I get what you are trying get at, but you have to realize thw point of brozimes build it to be able to scale super high with the armor striping, and you will start to need it pretty quickly since regulator dmg falls off pretty quickly past like 200ish, also acolytes can only stack up to 4 stacks of any effect, so idk why you are refering to that as a bad thing on mh's build
I don't watch Warframe RUclipsrs, but in their defense, I am not going to optimize my build to complete low level content (every day base Steel Path) the fastest. I am going to optimize every warframe to excel at level cap and I won't change the build no matter what level content I am doing. When I want to do a level cap circuit run with friends or farm level cap disruption/void cascade, I do not want to make sure I chose the right config. The most I will do is swap bane mods. If you want to optimize Mesa for base steel path content, you want equipment that increases her mobility first and foremost. Agility archon shard(s), Dispatch Overdrive in the exilus slot of her melee weapon, Arcane Consequence, Amalgam Serration on her primary, Amalgam Barrel Diffusion on her secondary, etc. This is for faster completions for general content. I don't need to be as mobile at level cap as damage output and survivability matter more. I'd rather run different archon shards at level cap than the ones that would increase my QoL for general content. However, if content creators are not informing their viewers that the displayed builds are for level cap then they are doing a disservice. I do understand where they are coming from though. As an endgame player, I will have a dedicated warframe or two to complete general content the fastest. I will not build every warframe with QoL in mind and will not build a duplicate of the warframe to alter archon shard configs. I hope you can understand this perspective.
I watched Brozime s video to see if it is possible to use green shards to armor strip with Mesa.. with 200 SP enemies, his strip kicks in after 70%-80% of health.. his status chance is 30%.. it seems corrosive kicks in 15% of the times.. so it takes around 94 shots to trip all armors.. that's around 3-4 sec on his Mesa.. only if we can boost the status on Mesa's regulators so armor is stripped in a sec
I like energy nexus more due to the practicality you can have max energy at the start with just two moves nourish and wellspring and youd be max in like 6 seconds And i strip quite a lot but thats due to my build being quite incomplete as i have no ceramic dagger to buff it
whats even the point to full strip enemies if you would use corrosive damage? it ignores some armor on its own and has less damage against full stripped
I get your point But Brozime in his video clearly highlights that it is “overkill” and “ unnecessary”, emerald shards may not be useful in practical use, but when u push something to its max potential in warframe its usually not very practical.
I mean, I'm an average player and I'm using Brozime's build quite comfortably even now, despite there being some changes to a few of its mechanics. Though, I'm actually trying to mix it up with Blacky's build rn as I feel I am wasting potential by using the Ceramic Dagger instead of Melee Crescendo. I dunno, I see your point, but I personally have no problem with the builds, I like working for my strength and somewhat min-maxing
My main argument for building for extremely high level enimies is that i might as well for the rare occasion that i do face them because the low levels are gonna die regardless so no sense in optimizing my build for them. Also doesn't brozine repeatedly express through out that video that what he is doing is overkill and unnecessarily?
A fair concession to this is the fact that The Circuit exists, has *way* faster level scaling, the Wyrmling Shot decree will proc Corrosive on every single shot, and Close Contagion means that on average, enemies close to your initial target will gain stacks at half the rate even if not directly hit, and overguard's maximum corrosive stack cap before it's broken will rise from 4 to 8, meaning you only need 6 more hits for full strip on thrax and eximus units once overguard is broken. So, in the context of The Circuit, where you're at like level 1500 enemies by 30 minutes, and 4000 by an hour, green shards can absolutely make a difference. That being said, it may genuinely be preferable to go for a Tauforged Green rather than two green, since you lose that sweet 1.75x damage bonus against Ferrite Armour, and between 13x Corrosive and 1x heat proc, you've got 99% of armour completely removed, and corrosive damage further ignoring 75% of that to only be affected by 0.25x armour.
Here’s the thing, Mesa needs a LOT of investment to become high level viable. Her builds require a shit ton of moving parts to scale properly and retain a good kpm. Circuit decrees themselves just outright solve that problem. I don’t want to A: switch out my shard to a tau emerald every time I load up circuit when I see Mesa B: make another mesa and collect EVEN MORE tau shards and forma the frame and regulators… just to do more damage in an activity I’ve already basically completed in my eyes as not every single incarnon is worth grabbing imo. TLDR: Mesa kill high level? Use Green crystal Mesa kill average SP enemy? No green crystal :(
@@yeetyah403 Ehh, I think every incarnon is worth grabbing, if only so that a wider pool of weapons is actually usable in The Circuit, given that basically every Incarnon Genesis takes its relevant weapon to 'steel path viable', even if it's the bottom tier of steel path viable. Even if the incarnon _mode_ isn't worth much, like in the case of Gorgon, the buffs alone to the base weapon for the most part make up for that. Then again I've basically _"beaten"_ the game at this point and I'm just using collecting things and helping friends as excuses to play more. ["Her builds require a shit ton of moving parts to scale properly and retain a good kpm."] Not a whole lot more than other frames, to be quite honest. Aside from having an exalted weapon, which is like, a known quantity, it's not terribly difficult to actually get her going. You don't even NEED corrupted or primed mods. It's just that youtubers love to minmax different mechanics to really yank out as much power as they possibly can to hit some arbitrary metric that is rarely useful to actual game progression in any meaningful away. For example, void fissures are the only game mode in which endurance content serves a functional point outside of Arbitrations (everything past 5th round is Rotation C) or the Circuit (everything past 5th round is maximum progression gain), with 95 minutes of survival being the point where all resource drop chances are doubled and all resource pickups are doubled. Like, you CAN use Combat Discipline to proc Arcane Avenger to make Peacemakers crit more... but why, though, when you can go an hour in steel path survival even without that? Is it about whether or not you need to use the life support capsules?; are they just that bothersome to hit X on? You could instead use the aura slot to put in Growing Power to have enough strength to max out Shatter Shield's damage reduction whilst using Precision Intensify to give Peacemaker a lot of strength without having to sacrifice efficiency or duration. You could just put on Arcane Blessing to give Mesa a lot more health to actually chew through for Shatter Shield to defend, taking her from like 465 hp to 1665 hp. You could give her Arcane Guardian to give her enough armour to defend it beyond Shatter Shield (+900 armour takes her from 25% dr via armour to 77% dr via armour; effectively just over 66% damage reduction). This would take the 1665 from being 2247 effective health to 7242 effective health, and this is before Shatter Shield's 95% damage reduction further multiplies that by 20x, to 144,840 effective health, and if you had Adaptation, it could potentially go even higher still. Point is, if someone doesn't have Combat Discipline or, more likely, Arcane Avenger, because Eidolons are awful and they maybe missed this event or didn't prioritize getting Avenger for the amount of time and effort they have, maybe getting a couple green shards, or even a tauforged green, maybe isn't actually all that difficult in comparison and can close the gap. Arcane Blessing is easier to get by a mile, Arcane Guardian also (it's a third of the price of Avenger if traded for, and it's relatively common by Eidolon standards). Heck, there's even the _incredibly_ cursed builds that Helminth _over_ Peacemaker, using Muzzle Flash to blind and Ballistic Bullseye to pull some wicked forced-crit shenanigans with stuff like Tenet Plinx, Lato Incarnon, Bronco Incarnon, and potentially gas builds if using a gathering ability, and moreover it's not limited exclusively to secondaries either. The introduction of Precision Intensify only gives further power to this exact shenanigan, as it allows for things like Pillage to hit defence-stripping breakpoints with significantly less investment than it used to need. As long as the mission gets done and you had fun, like, what's the issue? Do people really _need_ to kill like 200 enemies a minute? Maybe just getting a near-total armour strip with only one shard of investment is, like, enough that you don't feel like you need to have Combat Discipline and Arcane Avenger? Maybe you're not even using the green shards for Peacemaker; maybe they're for Tempest Barrage? Mesa isn't really all that complicated. Like many things, people make her complicated to try and squeeze out every last drop of DEEPS, whether or not that level of DEEPS is actually requisite.
@@oriondezagrats4228 to me the frame is nothing but peacemakers, the faster they shoot and the more enemies they kill, the happier I am. No I don’t absolutely have to do everything possible to min max her damage. Combat discipline, avenger, velocity, secondary outburst, initial combo riven for ceramic dagger, melee crescendo to squeeze out 240%, adarza kavat with link shields for reinforced bond from primed redirection on the frame, 3 tau crimson shards, 2 tau topaz shards, every primed mod worth using you get the picture. I do it because it’s fun to push her to absurd levels of killing the enemy dead. Why go through all the trouble of stacking my shards and my buffs, when I could just press 4 with a mid set up and still kill everything but a little slower? Because it doesn’t give me monkey go happy dopamine hit. Sure I could build her to live longer or do something different but that’s not why I play her. If I die it was probably just a skill issue or I forgot to press 3. Basically, most if not all people like 95% of them who pick up Mesa or want to try her, they are all going for the same thing. Kill more enemy, kill them faster. Why not lean into it as hard as you can? Also, yes, activating life support is indeed too much to handle for me I feel like I could shit shower and shave by the time it finishes
The two emerald shards set for corrosive are definitely more effective on weapons that can actually apply 14 stack before killing the target, phantasma prime or tenant cycron as examples. But I think the consideration for 2 emerald shards on Mesa comes from topaz shards being changed from additive to multiplicative secondary critical chance requiring 4 topaz or 3 tau topaz to reach red crits. Even just using a few topaz for more consistent orange crits is more functionally useful than the corrosive but I would say it's less interesting. Additionally brozime seems partial to parkour velocity for a more zippy Mesa's Waltz and was uninterested in using topaz shards after the corrective nerf, based on a coment he left on the video answering someone else's question. Eventually I want to try 3 tau topaz for getting mesa's regulators to 218% crit and 2 yellow parkour for shpeed.
ummm as someone who has been grinding for weeks farming specific arcanes and mods/weapons for the brozime build (im asking this before checking your page) but do you have any recommended build vids for mesa? shes also my favorite frame and i use her in most of the content i play
There is one more possibility: Steelpath Circuit with level cap enemies - and this is probably the only one realistic way for an ordinary player to meet them. You'll probably end here without your fancy ceramic dagger or furax, and definetly without your sentinels - so you'll have to think around Mesa on her own. Minding decrees, I do prefer toxin status build Mesa (toxin+viral+corrosive combo) with two +2corr. stacks shards and three +15% dmg on corrosive status shards - and you won't belive it, this build still works great on usual steelpath missions with the dagger and sentinel buffs!
Yeah idk about the whole armor stripping thing. Tried it myself, didn't feel a difference from my traditional build. Like seriously, if you wanna kill stuff with the regulators, you just get a good chunk of ability strength, get some good fire rate buff with arcane velocity if you have it, invest in multishot, get galvanized shot and if you absolutely wanna scale you slap on primed heated charge, whatever else is up to you. The reason behind this? The way regulators scale with ability strength and base damage. It's counted several times which is why galvanized shot has such an impact, it's not that you need to apply alot of one status, it's that you need to apply one of each. That being said, corrosive shards still help, but not for regulators specifically, it's just a convenient thing to have if you have a corrosive primer for instance, but then it's not so much a Mesa thing. If you want to remove these shards off your mesa and use them elsewhere, Yareli is a good candidate, just get a corrosive heat nukor. With that much base status chance on the weapon you're guaranteed to strip anything, and if something has shields you can still have your nukor be a magnetic progenitor to take care of that. Other weapons can be good too, but this one is just so easy to use for such good results.
No way bruh I watched this as I was doing a khora infested survival, and he's right I followed a khora build with full achrons shards and everything but I don't even do steel path or anything 😭
I feel Brozime made it very clear that this was an extremely overkill, and expensive build. Valid takes of course but given Brozime's approach to this build being geared to lv 9999 content, it doesn't make sense to critique it based on the average player only making it to maybe lv 100-300. Also quite literally the first thing Brozime says is that you likely do not have everything for this build, I don't think it gets any clearer than that... He also mentions you do not need everything on the build, only parts of it will be powerful...
The thing thats doubly bad is that they probably know most people just skip to the mod menu part of the vid to try to copy the build. Theres a million different ways to built weapons in the game. But I think most of the public ones are not the best way to build for most peoples use cases. And some arent even good in all cases compared to what they could be.
To be fair you don’t need optimized builds for average everyday content. Any half decent build can kill level 40-130 enemies , which is about the maximum that you will see from basic content like star chart to higher end stuff like sortie and archon hunt.
1000% true. As a LR4 the only time I went lvl cap is in circuits and I dont count that, the average player including myself will never sit down 4-5 hours to see the true potential of there build. That's too much time and I have no patience, I would recommend to new players to just get a comfortable and not too over the top SP build that will last u an hour or so and your good to go. Cause at the end of the day you will invest a lot of fusion shards and not experience your true build
I'm not gonna lie, I watched this video out of interest because I have the frame setup for Brozime's build, but I have to say this: you talk about clarity regarding what the build is for, and I need to ask the question: how much clearer can you get than a title with "No Limits" in it? The frame setup is great as is because Corrosive is a favourable damage type vs the main types of enemies that are going to be fought in most higher level activities, Grineer and the Grineer Corrupted enemies. Nourish + Energy Nexus is super comfy for almost everything you do on this build as you do not need to wait for Eximus to get use out of something like Equilibrium. Equilibrium is a fantastic mod, but I find it a better use case on Frames that can guarantee orbs (Voruna for example, or Protea) rather than something I just have on every frame. Preference plays a part for sure, I can definitely see that, but something that requires me to just not have my 4 turned on for a few seconds to basically fully recharge my energy to me is much more valuable on Mesa than just praying for an Eximus to show up, or praying to RNG to spawn an orb for me. I however do not have the super investment stuff set up for it, because I don't have it, and I have the sense to not be like "omg wait this No Limits build isn't actually accessible?". What do I have as a result of following Brozime's build? I have a super comfy Mesa with a favourable damage type vs all the enemies I will typically be killing, that requires minimal effort to pilot in just about anything, that has the potential to go very high in Endurance if I ever choose to do that (I don't like Endurance, and you can do Endurance with way, way less kitted out frames). If the point is "think of the new players", I absolutely agree with you in 99% of cases, seeing builds where every single "easy build" has maxed arcanes and shards and stuff is very irritating and I had this exact problem returning to the game. But in this particular case, with Brozime's overinvestment build that he very clearly states is overinvestment, I don't think the argument really holds up here. I'm not trashing your point, because overall I agree with most of what you've said, but I think that if you want to go after subpar buildmaking for new players, a build that Brozime has tweaked from his other build he was clear about basically nobody having all the stuff for it isn't the particular target I think you should be going after here. I think this build is a clear cut case of a build very much not intended for new players, or players just stepping into the world of Warframe buildcrafting.
The point is moreso that the build in question gets 0 benefit from the green shards. It presents a purely hypothetical idea of Mesa applying 14 corrosive procs to armour strip before killing the enemy, and yet Brozime's own video shows that this never happens. It's a waste of resources to put on Mesa because she gets 0 benefits.
@@wellardsharks This is true, and I agree with that. I can think of way more beneficiaries of Green Shards than I can Mesa, however I still tried it anyway and honestly I prefer it to the old Pillage setup. Saryn in particular, Gauss as a weapons platform, Hydroid maybe, and so on.
Why does this matter? It’s just a game. People can do whatever content they want. Either way anything works with such powercreep. It’s just the tiniest difference over pixels on a screen
If you listened to the video he explains, why it matters. People are heavily investing time and resources into builds that don't take advantage of those resources until you are hours in endurance runs so they aren't practical. Discussions are important even if they hurt your feelings. That's what life is all about.
I tried something similar on Excalibur Umbra thinking that I could fully strip armor only to realize that enemies die before I could proc enough corrosion status affects This made me realize that its not worth it and now I have 2 fused shards with out a use for them
Yep good analysis. MHBlacky's build is also kinda heavy on the energy if my memory serves me right, he markets it as a very end game cause of how he builds it but it's very unsustainable cause of the energy efficiency on it is just straight up bad. I critiqued a different RUclipsr's build on a specific frame the other day and I got his fans seething at me. That RUclipsr or any "influencer" for that matter are not the only LR3 and vets of the game that knows how to build their stuff. Their fans that are mostly new to the game will defend them like I've hurt them personally cause no vet their worth their salt would use that build nor even think of putting certain combinations of mods that are just plainly impractical for actual use. I've had found some interesting stuff from the same RUclipsr that I've incorporated on my own builds but I'd comment about it if they're giving the wrong information. I've noticed that some of the RUclipsrs lately don't even have practical builds, it looks nice on paper and MLG type meme videos but the amount of set up they do before they even hit record is just not practical and the amount of newbies thinking they could replicated those builds and asking for them are insane. I ask for builds cause they pique my interest but it's not that I'm gonna actually do it cause like I said the set up are sometimes more than it being usable, I just wanna see if I overlooked something that I could take from their builds to min max some stuff without going all out into meme territory. 6:38 at least KnightmareFrame actually uses the builds he usually makes for end game at end game. He usually starts the video with a montage of him killing level 9999 mobs. Then people get mad at him for making "unrealistic" over the top full of Primed and Galvanized mod setups when he actually markets it as an actual end game setup. Actual end game players would have the mods and resources to actually replicate it besides a Riven cause Rivens are Rivens.
Honestly I don't really care for Knightmareframe. Not because I think he's particularly bad at building or because it's "unrealistic" to go that far, but because he calls just about anything broken, especially when the interaction is above average at best. Like, not everything needs a supreme drop level of hype. You figured out a sidegrade to other shit that can be done at 9999 that's arguably less efficient than what could be done by the 20 people who actually want to play a mission that long, you don't need to try and trick me into believing that Yareli is suddenly god tier because of it.
as a returning player from when umbra was introduced i was overwhelmed by by all the content and didnt know where to begin but i got my footing mut now im stuck i dont know how to get futher in and by watching this video (mesa is my best warframei have rn) i feel like u can clear up some things for me since i dont know half of the stuff the othe youtuber are talking about aka im your average joe enjoy the sub and looking forward to your guidance
i have no clue why would anyone use her for strip armor specially because of how low status regulators have. its better to build ger for pure red crits
Whats your guys opinions on precision intensify on mesa? i see no point for using umbral intensify when my energy sustain is no problem and the damage reduction on mesa's 3rd is on 95%(Cap) anyways. My Mesa Build if you wanna try it. 5 Forma Combat Disciplin(!R1!) / Mesa Waltz Streamline / Narrow Minded / Adaptation /Vitality (or Primed Redirection if one blue tauforged ES shard) Primed Flow / Precision Intensify / Augur Secrets / Blind rage Arcane Avenger/Velocity Nourish on Mesa's 1st Zenurik for Passive energy income (while not in her 4th) and 20% Strength for Nourish and Shooting Gallery Afentis and Furax(with amalgam mod) for utility
I'd drop Augur Secrets for Primed Continuty (Help a bit with efficiency on 4), or Energy Nexus (so you can use Madurai or w/e focus you want). The lose in ability strength can be recovered with Madura. or you can use Unairu for armor/shield strip on tankier enemies (acolyte included). Vazarin is also really good at survival as well if you have enough dmg on w/e you're playing.
Don't get me wrong, everyone plays warframe differently; In my opinion, you should use warframe build videos as a template/idea instead of copying the build and try to play around it
I think there's an argument to be made that the goal of a corrosive build woudn't necessarily be to fully armor strip, but to remove enough armor to chew up the enemies while leaving enough armor to keep the damage bonus for enemies weak to corrosive damage. If the two shards are enough to make armor almost negligeable and drop the EPH of enemies to an insignificant level, does it really matter if a sliver or armor still remains ? That said I do think ppl like Brozime end up sounding arrogant with their builds most of the time , not bothering to explain the math or justify their choices and not proposing any alternatives or why they didn't choose any of the augments, for example, as if it wasn't required of them to justify their build choices. For years I looked at Brozime's build and I was puzzled at them, like why no survivability mods ? Why so much energy efficiency ? Why putting Roar and Red Shards on every single frame ?... It's ok to have your own preferences, but I pretty much never copy any of Brozime's builds... Sometimes I take inspiration from them, but they just don't work for me most of the time... Like his gauss build is all duration, zero survivability mods, no preparation to be able to start the mission running from the start ... Whyyy ? They guy will put a 15% duration mod over a survivability mod or prime flow for some reason... Such a wierd build maker...
i understand what ur saying but brozime literally says in his video u never need to take the build to where he's at for daily use at the start of the video
"so that some poor shmuck with two archon shards" THAT'S ME! Hahhaha I'm new at the game and the way mhblacky explained the build sounded super convincing and I was about to go balls deep investing on it, but then i saw a very low effort high payoff rev build from AznvasionsPlays and decided to go with that one instead, now I'm glad I did.
Literally have no shards on her, have a similar build with some mod changes for the way I build survivability, and a bit less status on her regs cause I’m missing like one mod, and I still tear through shit, I love it. Honestly might just shard for parkour velocity and crit, given how I wasn’t really feeling the need for the greens as is.
Sir, thank you. This has been one of my biggest problems with WF channels for years. When going to them, looking for a build for a new frame or one I don't play often, I'd consistently get oddball and/or high maintenance builds, that are hyper-situational, require super rare or hard to get items, jumping through numerous hoops to do really high damage you don't really need, or excessive emphasis on damage color (e.g., red crits). I turn to videos much less these days. So tired of the bs.
We have absolutely reached the point whete min/maxing is incredibly hard to do in youtube's current space of constant uploads. There is a meed to keep uploading videos, and this means we are finding a lot of very mixed info. At current, vets are just dumping most of their resources that they are swimming in into whatever they can without practical math. Azninvasion is also guilty of this and he is probably the "math heavy" guy. The cool thing is we have a lot of practical builds that work now for a lot of warframes. The game has changed. A lot. And its amazing to see.
I don't really understand how this is supposed to be a criticism of Brozime's Saryn build featuring those green shards. It's hardly his fault that he introduces the video explaining that the build is needlessly overkill and someone apparently assumes it's a beginners guide to Saryn. I almost feel like we watched two different videos. You have a perfectly good point to your video there's no need to go conjuring up injustices to solve.
Hey Sleihbeggey, That is probably because It's not a criticism of his Saryn build and neither is it about not being beginner friendly. This video talks about green shard armor strip and/or status Mesa builds and my point is that it's not made clear enough just how sub-optimal that really is for the vast majority of content, even if it has "no limits" in terms of scaling.
I still do. It's essentially mandatory for my high level builds (4/5) because they forfeit efficiency. You have to use the regulators a little more sparingly, but otherwise it's still decent.
I'm looking for a solo circuit build for her, the corrosive shard will be useful then, no? Since you can get a bunch of decrees like +fire rate and -status duration/+status chance. It should be enough to kill those 9999 eximus units before it gets crowded, they are the ones screwing me really hard (I don't really like using pillage).
did you just not watch zimes video? He literally says in the video its ridiculous over investment that you don't need to do to make mesa work. Its for those of us who want to put that investment in
Build for duration, efficiency and power strength. Key mods I use: Mesa's waltz, fits in exidus slot, mine isn't even ranked up, I just need to be able to roll Rolling guard to clense debuffs and on tap invincibility Narrow minded, transient fortitude, umbra or normal intensify, primed or normal continuity are key mods I use for the stat set up. You may need to umbra forma a slot if you can and do isolation vaults for the corrupted mods. currently there are alerts on the weekend to get one corrupted mod per week (currently is blind rage, which I don't recommend on her until very end game, though it's very strong on a lot of other frames) And key one: equilibrium, which let's you pick up energy while walking and rolling. For steps further, the arcanes I run are molt argmented and molt efficiency For more, I swapped her one for silence, which works well with negative range, though this can be swapped for say norish and something else ya like. This all being said, her shatter shield should always be up, that buff is some insane mitigation. Make sure your keeping her shooting gallery and shatter shield up. Also why I like duration on her, because less buff upkeep time.
@@nicktheninja3166 I see. I do have all of that except for the arcanes. I don’t have too many of those but I have a crimson shard on her, I think that works with the regulators but idk. I used nourish but I might switch it to silence once I get banshee consumed. Imma try that exactly but I kinda had that build already, but I replaced equilibrium with a primed flow. I also used power drift to get a little more power. I think it’s also the mods on the regulators that may be causing my lack of damage for her. I really don’t know
@@grosslyDese2060 she does have max energy issues for sure, I use one blue shard on her, and yes red works for her guns, cos they are secondaries (like Titania) But probably an unpopular take: I think flow and primed flow are worthless (with the exception of the melee shard, which colour escapes me, the one that gives you melee crit damage if over 500 energy) it's much more effective to ping pong your energy than to have a max, it uses a mod slot to build for convince and adds nothing (which the exception of the melee shard) to a build.
Update: use precision intensify on Mesa if you have it. It's better for her than the umbra one (also base version) for a reasons a math nerd could tell you, but I'm not. So source: trust me bro?
that's why i avoid to search builds whatsoever (only for some things that totally don't work for me) and basically do my own test (it also fun this way)
Brozime did armor strip the demolishers in his video and he's probably THE guy who makes regular builds for regular players. I think you have a point in what you're talking about, but maybe finish the video and read a few comments before making this level of a fool of yourself bruh. Best of luck tho.
FollowUp video is now live!
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Oh you can pin comments now, good for pinning the other comment you mentioned in the follow-up video now
IMPORTANT CORRECTION at 4:22 thanks to kranqi7496's comment below (I am unable to pin comments cause I don't wanna give my real life ID to RUclips lol):
"Acolytes are hard capped to 4 on corrosive, the green shards do actually break this cap, however you would need + 10 total to full strip them so the point is moot"
This means you would need 5 normal green shards to even be able to strip an acolyte.
the reason the acolyte in mhblacky's video only died with 4 stacks is because you can *only* apply 4 stacks to them, they are status resistant
@dekinai1969mhblacky didn't use an emerald archon shard for stripping, his build focused on maxing crit and firerate as much as physically possible
Well said and hopefully no one takes this the wrong way as its something that does need to be talked about, keep up the good work!
Thank you for the comment Hayden. I plan to expand on this topic in a larger video further on. This was just a spontaneous release because I am a mesa enjoyer.
How? He just dislikes min maxing lmao
I think his point is that this is pointless min-maxing. They are min-maxing for corrosive prox when they are never really applied, it doesn't make sense. @@Dubulcle
Brozime makes very clear that his mesa build is a major resource hog and should not be attempted unless you dont care about burning resources.
Came here to say this, same with his Saryn video.
His critique wasn't that their builds are resource hogs, it was that the status chance is too low on the regulators to take advantage of the green shards shield stripping. And his build uses 5 fused shards, so it's also a resource hog lol.
@audiewalters8275 well at the end another complaint was that the purpose of the builds in those videos weren’t mentioned/glossed over which wasn’t the case for brozimes video at least. But yeah the main point is that the builds are unrealistic which is definitely fair
@@audiewalters8275 brozimes build uses 2 green 2 tau yellow and a red duration.
But does he make it clear, that it's a complete waste, with no clear benefit?
This is exactly why I don't showcase builds and just talk about what the frame does so people can take that knowledge and do what they want.
PS I'm just trash at building, lol.
Thank you for the comment Nova!
At the end of the day, the more knowledge enters the community, the more builds & gameplay will improve and change for the better. For that reason, your approach is also good and very much necessary. It's a similar approach to what I got in the works now. My next upload will open the can of worms known as diminishing returns, with the first entry focusing on specifically critical hits. In my opinion, this topic is something that a lot of people often get wrong and I want to address it in detail. If you are interested please do give it a watch.
I agree let them people do what they want first
While I do agree with what you're saying, I want to defend Brozime a little bit as in his video he does explicitly state multiple times that it's a highly unrealistic build and goes into depth about how it literally kills every single enemy in the game barring a few unspawnable bosses without the shards.
Hey WiredChicken,
I have seen it multiple times now and the only actually informational remark regarding the shards' necessity is a single sentence towards the very end stating you would run into roadblocks at level 2000(!! That means we can assume them to be useless before this level) if you ran the build without them. In my opinion that should have been a major segment explored from the get-go so people don't craft the shards only to never get value from them.
The build being unrealistic itself is something I have no issue with. It's specifically the way the shards are discussed. I could have been more clearer in the video regarding this point. It's gonna be covered among others things in the follow-up I'm making.
There is no "defending" Brozime. He's well known for misinformation and bad takes regarding various aspects of Warframe. If you find yourself entertained by him that is wonderful, enjoy. That said, if you come away with something useful even better. Regardless he is passionate but not very open-minded or accurate at times. Simple as that.
@machinech183 this is the first I've ever heard of someone saying that about Brozimes videos, my personal group has always had good things to say and I've not seen otherwise outside of my group either. Could you point me towards some RUclipsrs you'd consider better?
@@Wiredchickensgaming Google, it's a thing.
@@machinech183would like to hear some examples
Just to note - acolytes are hard capped to 4 on corrosive, the green shards do actually break this cap, however you would need + 10 total to full strip them so the point is moot, just an observation - also I wouldn't be so quick to discount a crit mod because you can get it from "other sources" - whether or not you build into crit very specifically depends on what breakpoints you are trying to hit. Explaining how this math works is much better in my opinion then saying to mod for more damage, as getting addional crit tiers is an absolutely massive damage jump and pure oranges with 18-55% chance at reds is easily achievable with orange shards and ceramic dagger/secondary outburst - no adarza needed unless you want 100% reds about 50% of the time. One last thing is between nexus/equilibrium - I really think this comes down to mission type so I gave two loadouts that are identical with this being the only swap
Hey Kranqi,
thanks for the details. Acolytes being capped is something I totally missed! Regarding the crit, I am simply showing what the differences are in the Mesa builds as of the recording, not saying that it's a better build. I did not want to remove every single one of my shards and simply showed the differences for the sake of transparency. I should've been clearer on that point.
I'm currently waiting on a red tao drop which will let me complete my Mesa build. At that point I will test different variants of crit tiers vs raw modded dmg among other things, before I release it to the public. The statement of building more damage refers doing that instead of going for armor strip/status, so that would include more raw damage and/or higher crit tiers. I was also a little unclear on that one, sorry.
@@Norrschein no worries at all - I really appreciate the spirit of this video in terms of not wanting to generalize - it's really tough to strike a balance between giving all the available information to people and overloading people with information
Getting additional crit tiers is not a massive damage boost.
The first crit is the most valuable by far. Each tier of crit adds your crit damage to the normal damage of the weapon.
Using this build as an example they have 6.3x crit damage.
The first crit takes a hit doing 1x damage and makes it 6.3x damage, 530% increase, that's huge.
The next tier, orange crits, now does another 5.3x damage, additive to the last 5.3x damage, for a total of 11.6x, this is slightly less than double the damage of the yellow crit, it's an 84% increase. Much much less than 530%.
Then the red crit? The fabled red crit that warframe youtubers strive for, the golden goose of build content? That takes you to 16.9x damage, or just a 46% damage increase from orange.
Additional crit tiers are nice, but at most (with infinite crit damage) an orange crit is double yellow, and a red crit is 50% more than orange, tier 4 crits are 33% better than red, tier 5 25% better than tier 4.
Sorry for the long comment but this is another thing that happens in warframe youtube a lot, and it annoys me.
@@googlygoink is that not still a much larger increase then just adding in elemental damage mods?
@@kranqi7496 going going from 200% to 300% crit chance (actual crit chance, not the mod values) at 2x crit damage gives 33% more damage and at infinite crit damage gives 50% more.
Almost all mods are additive to the same bonuses, crit damage, damage, and elemental all behave that way with mods within each category. So adding serration when you already have merciless takes you from 460% damage to 625%, or 36% more damage. A lot of times I see youtubers add a crit mod where serration of all things is mathematically better.
Adding a 90% element mod when you already have two 60/60 mods takes the element damage from 120% to 210%, for 75% more damage of that element. Or 51% damage if you include the base IPS of the weapon in the calculation.
Crit damage adds on to all tiers of crit, so long as you have at least 100% critical chance the final damage modifier on the weapon is just additive again, so adding bladed rounds onto viral sense takes you from 220% to 340% (as there is the base crit damage), so it's an increase of about 55%.
I don't know if that all made sense warframe maths is awkward, but tl;Dr is that red crit and beyond is overrated, only go for it if it's easy to reach, or you do the maths on other alternatives for the slot.
Warframe’s creator space needs voices like yours. Excellent work.
Thanks for kind words Sajin!
@@Norrschein
I agree
the biggest sign that content creators are dumb as brick for me was when I saw all of them jump on the "secondary outburst + melee crescendo on Mesa". I am not spending half the mission on finishers when I can just roll in with 9x initial combo. What a joke.
How you get x9 initial combo out the gate without building it up?
So, I believe a lot of the points in the video are fair statements to be made in a generalized sense. However in a few cases brought up, there are a couple issues that aren’t quite as specific as he makes it sound.
Firstly, the level cap thing *used* to be unrealistic. It used to be to find a level of enemies of any value would take hours of play in a single continuous mission that is unrealistic to the general player base at large. However, we now have content (specifically steel path Duviri) where you can have the average Joe Schmoe going 20 minutes into a run and finding those levels of enemies where lacking adequate preparation as such becomes a problem. Yes, it currently stands as only one part of Warframe, but it is a part that rewards players with the greater incarnon system and worthwhile arcanes that a large amount of players will be actively hunting for. So having a build ready for that content will make the general crowd ready for it is helpful to the community. Especially if this is a look into possibly having more of this type of content in the future with equally rewarding loot. It is still technically more specific than the rest of the gameplay, but it is not a rare or even uncommon occurrence for a player to want to go into these modes because the resources obtained from them are that good and enticing to all forms of players. A lot of returning players came back from years long hiatus just for that content.
Secondly, I agree that general content creators have to be very careful in warning players about how hefty the resource sink is for these builds and the level of necessity that each one entails. I just disagree with the example content creators (specifically Brozime because I don’t know about the other one mentioned) used for the video. Brozime is very meticulous and specific about informing players that a lot of the builds he makes on each video are not necessary for by in large a lot of the game and most are overkill. Hell mention that some of the enemies he tests these builds are will be the toughest non boss enemies to kill and that they don’t currently exist in the game at all in that state. He’s constantly replaying the entire game in free to playthroughs so that he can keep himself abreast of the current situation for new and returning players so he knows what will be worth their time to farm and build. The Kengineer and AZNvasion also are in this vein, to list a couple of examples of content creators not mentioned in the video who also make a point to call out their own builds when they are not necessary or even important to achieve for most situations or the average player and you’re better off spending your time doing anything else.
I’m not trying to diminish any of the points brought up in the video, but just informing that some of these unrealistic measures aren’t as unrealistic anymore (although they do retain some level of specificity) and that the specific creators mentioned are not really exemplary of the issues stated (for anyone unfamiliar of them who might end up avoiding their helpful content because of this video)
I read the first part of your message and had to address something (sorry didnt read it all). Steel Path Circuit is vastly different than other content in warframe, to the point of it not even being relevant to the topic of build crafting. Sure we can talk about builds for this game mode in isolation, but let's be honest. Decrees supersed the build
@@TripleyouI was literally going to come down here and say the exact same thing. What good is armor strip Mesa even at level 2k when you’re double dipping on crits, have mild aoe on every proc, and regulators ramp up to 2x their normal fire rate?
@@Tripleyou I don’t disagree with your point on decrees. But that point is also reliant on making it to that point in the event you don’t get the necessary decrees to make it till that point. You could get all the decrees you need in just three rotations, or you could get nothing but melee decrees for an hour with nothing but a heat sword or dark dagger to your name. Decrees can make building easier, but a good build cannot be undermined. There’s also the matter of the second point I made, which doesn’t necessarily have to do with the builds themselves
Fair points excluding the circuit one. However please use paragraphs going forward. And While I can see some above, ithink you need to add more. While informative above pointing out errors in the video, it was very hard to read.
I like the entire row of space for paragraphs, since not all devices are the same. I know it's not typical Grammar, but it makes reading so much easier.
@@BamaMophi If you get only melee stuff for an hour you extract and try again, plus that is wholly unrealistic, I've played hundreds of hours of circuit and with the rerolls alone you can force any build you want early on.
I feel like youtubers really just follow the most complicated path possible with their builds and its very frustrating when i just want a primer on what to build for
If you cant find that then thats on you lmao. You're complaining about a non-existent issue. If you dont want "overcomplicated" builds why seek them out?
This is the first person I’ve seen use Mesa’s Waltz properly with rolling
Hey Fluffie,
Yes! A lot of people simply go into walking turret mode but this augment took the mid air bullet jumping Mesa and made it reach new heights. Rolling guard especially is very nice with this augment as you can stay in ult and do not need to waste energy recasting.
@@NorrscheinThanks for the tip, I’ll see if I can incorporate it into a Mesa build. I’ve recently been releasing 0 forma steelpath builds, and I’ll see if I can make one for Mesa 🥳
@@FluffieMichi Great concept! It's good to have endgame builds that do not break ones bank account. Good luck with the channel.
If you want to farm vosfar for arcanes from sp void cascade, you will eventually fight +1k level thrax after only an hour. Void cascade is a meta "loot cave" atm
SP void cascade and Lua disruption for around one hour is something a "normal endgame" player will get use out of
Can't wait for that Mesa build. She my fave but I am definitely that Schmuck that only has like 3 archon shards thus far and don't know what mods/Arcanes/shards are required in order to comfortably do steel path missions because I just build what I see online.
So, seeing someone who might go in depth about it would be nice!
yeah i cant wait for the mesa build she my fav too need more survive ability tho
@@toogood5186 Decent ability strength, good duration, turn on shatter shield, and have adaptation slotted into a mod slot. Adaptation is really the only thing that isn't immediately apparent on her, but having that + shatter shield is like a 97-98% damage reduction with only 230ish ability strength. Add in shooting gallery to jam the guns of several nearby enemies and it turns all but tanky melee attackers into a joke, and that's only because melee ignores shatter shield.
Hmm, my impression is that 1, casual players have more opportunities to see high level enemies in 2 modes steel path cascade and the circuit. Both game modes scale enemies much faster than normal content so casuals could more reasonably see higher level enemies here. Additionally at some point sentients and demolyst units require a little extra grease.
2….your critique that other content creators are essentially over investing when sharing their builds for general audience feels…forced? We’re talking about Mesa here. Going with your critique there is absolutely no reason to be using archon shards anyway because she could kill waves of enemies before that just as efficiently for those “lower level” enemies. In your build you even took off a crit chance mod to make room for another mod…there’s absolutely no reason to do that for general starchart
Hey Duke,
You are absolutely right on point 2. The point I am trying to highlight is the vagueness and lack of showcase regarding the pointlessness of these things. Brozime does cover this, although not in as much detail as I think would be better, but many of these RUclipsrs straight up don't mention this at all. Calling it overkill just doesn't cut it in my opinion when these builds use insane amount of resources.
I don't have anything against people making these builds and I make stuff like this myself. I just want to avoid people blowing their resources without being fully aware of doing so.
@@Norrschein "Calling it overkill just doesn't cut it in my opinion when these builds use insane amount of resources." That's why he said it's overkill multiple times? Sounds like you might just have a comprehension issue?
Brozime is known for doing overkill builds on Mess just for the funsies.
He even stated that several times in his latest video.
If people take these videos in a way they are not intended to be used, i don't see why you would put the blast on the build itself.
Preach. I really feel videos like this aren’t very healthy considering there are countless ways to make Warframes. And Brozime being a guy that a lot of times has normal content and player lvls in mind. It was just a fun over the top build he made and like you said he says quite a lot that it’s overkill and that “you really don’t need this” on his builds.
Bro, Brozime literally said and implied, and showed that the build was massively over the top and unnecessary
This is exactly why i don't depend upon youtubers for my builds, i test them and make them according to my playstyle.
brozime in his video says his build is halrious overkill his other mesa build refreshs are for casual play the build in the video was literally about maxing out mesa to her full potential
The point still stands armor strip is useless to most average players and I see too many players wasting mod capacity when enemies die with barely any status even running the net
Lately come to realize youtubers builds are utter dogsh*t with more holes than swiss cheese.
When you point out any contradictions or things they missed they'll either ignore the comment or reply with some generic 'thx for comment but actually' excuses and damage control.
Ninjase is the only one I trust for my purposes which is mostly Circuit long run/levelcap builds to make it less painful each week.
Other than that, a lot of the big names seem like they fell off for me, trying to shill suboptimal highly convoluted solutions to simple problems, some never showing their build outside the sim for a good reason.
screw the green shards add parkour velocity!!!!
1. It’s unless to min max for general gameplay, you’re going to waste stats or have depreciating ones.
2. Min maxing is irrelevant hell, modding competently is irrelevant for 5 and out players. Even full drop rotation and or SP.
3. Survival sucks and scales slow. Disruption and void cascade scale much faster and are more important to the average player because of arcanes and relics.
To add: it's also very impractical to use Regulators to armor strip at higher levels/level cap. With how slow it takes to proc all 14 corrosive status effects, you're probably going to get one shotted first before even applying the first 5 since you're exposed to damage. You're better off using a corrosive primer / weapon with high status to get the job done and then use Regulators after you strip, and even then you're still leaving yourself vulnerable.
As for the rest of the video, I think its the unfortunate effect of how Warframe youtubing has worked for the past 5 years. Creators get more clicks out of "LEVEL 9999 STEEL PATH ONE SHOT META BROKEN IMMORTAL" builds out of people regardless of their skill / knowledge level. In all fairness, most builds that scale up to level cap also work very well for normal content that the average Warframe player does without requiring a ton of set up and I think that should be obvious for most people who play the game.
If you understand how to mod, you can tweak most builds to your preferences which unfortunately the game doesn't do well to explain. Warframetubers can't always account for every use case, I mean these videos are always like 20-30 minutes in length and I'd assume 70% of the audience just skip to the build section based on the stats you see when hovering on the video.
Yeah, the main reason that the only bloke I take seriously among the creators is TacticalPotato. No BS and cool recommendations. I still follow him after 10 years in the game
I really like this practical approach to building frames, using synergies that work consistently rather than theoretically or using an exploit or bug that’s definitely going to get patched - funny enough, Excalibur using archon continuity and a toxin chromatic blade is a LOT better compared to mesa at stripping armor (edit: using green shards, I mean)
I haven't tested this, but running it through my head. Exalted Blade has 15% base status chance. Assuming 200% power strength that makes the augment provide an increase of 600% status chance, making one swing have 105% chance to proc toxin (and corrosive).
So you are swinging ~14 times to fully strip?
Am I missing something?
@@Tripleyou The problem with The build listed here(and probably Brozime's but I haven't seen it) is that Heat(in the build) and more importantly Physical types(innate), and Viral(From Nourish) are competing with the corrosive procs.
If you aren't using Nourish every status proc on a toxin Chromic blade will be a toxin proc, which then procs corrosive.
Meanwhile if you only have 120% Corrosive damage, Regulars will only proc corrosive 54% of the time it procs a status, and the chance gets lower when introducing Thermite Rounds and Nourish. This is kind of the issue with relying on status chance to armor strip in general.
Tangent, but is there a reason to use corrosive over archon toxin for Regulators? The heat doesn't seem relevant when you're suppose to be "full stripping" armor anyways.
@@robertobear1749 solid information, but I fail to see the connection to the topic at hand. I do agree that adding nourish to a toxin chromatic build would be a bad call. The much stronger option is Wrathful Advance. And to follow up on my other post, 14 swings to fully strip is way too slow for my taste, but again I havent tested it myself, so I might be missing something.
@@Tripleyou The connection was in comparison to the regulators, which was the first comment.
As for chromatic in the vacuum, Exalted blade is also notable in that there's actually two "hits": The blade itself, and the wave. Both aspects of it also have infinite punch through, so it doesn't care about enemy density.
When talking about the time it actually takes to swing, the forward attack(which most players will likely be using by default) you do 4 swings every 1.4 seconds, or 1 swing every 0.35 seconds at 1 attack speed. this means it'll take 5 seconds to stack 14 procs an enemy with waves alone, or 2.5 seconds with both the wave and the slash.
Exalted blade's default attack speed is .833, but using say Quickening bumps it up to 1.17, which further bumps it down to 4.27 seconds and 2.17 seconds respectively. From there it's mostly just dependent on if you consider that too slow.(just note that all other combos take at least twice as long as the forward combo)
I’ve heard Brozime say that his Mesa build is pretty unnecessary and overkill. It was a tier list video or a plague star video iirc. Aside from that, I really appreciate your thoughts on the issue since I didn’t even realize that I don’t need level cap builds
Hey,
thanks for the comment! It's one thing to call it unnecessary, but for armor stripping shards specifically it's not just "overkill". It's not functional for any realistic enemy level that you would encounter playing the games' normal content. I tested it up to roughly level 450 in the same kuva survival and got no use from my green shards. That was well over 3h+ spent. My guess is you would need to be in the thousands regarding enemy level to even get consistent armor strip.
That's not mentioned whatsoever, meaning the shards are just a waste of resources for anyone not playing that niche scenario, which is why I put that in the video.
@@Norrscheinbut it...litterally is functional though? What
Thats why if i look up any kind of build, i only use it as an Inspiration. Just to see what general direction i could go or if there's maybe a super good mod that i am not thinking about or dont have yet. An example would be Volotile Quick Return for heavy attack glaive builds. I guess its not a must-use but i like it and i discovered it through a guide.
I remember in 2019 when everyone kept saying "when are you ever going to meet a level 150 corrupted heavy gunner outside of endurance runs" and then in 2020 steel path came out where everything was over 100. It's not about the here and now it's about what might come. These overkill builds may stay overkill forever, but they might not.
Also another thing I forgot to add, have you checked brozimes channel for warframe builds? cause he has builds for everyone already. The reason those videos coming out are overpowered theoretical builds is because he's already done the every day use builds for each warframe. He's done so many builds he's had to make a whole series refreshing them all.
You actually need +10 corrosive stacks from shard to strip acolytes, which means 5 emeralds or 3 tau emerald 1 normal
you need 14 unless your hydroid, which means 3 tau+1 normal or 5 normal emerald shards. completely impractical but kinda funny
@@antarescypher2551so 4 "+10" is not 14?
But atleast in brozime's case he does specify that its meant for any content
Hey 2b,
Yes that's right. I mentioned in the video that either one of these builds is fine for any content really. My point specifically is that high status and/or armor strip is either less value or outright non functional for anything that is not an extremely high enemy level. However, neither of the original build videos address this point sufficiently in my opinion.
@@Norrschein But that's what "any" content means, it means it can handle any enemy in the game, including level cap, where status and stripping becomes much more important. Mostly seems like you don't like the way they are building specifically and would have them rather build to your own preferences. Some people find enjoyment in pushing everything to its limit, some people find comfort knowing they are equipped for anything, and some people, like you, might enjoy dealing just "enough" damage and having other qualities enhanced. These builds aren't being presented as the best/ must have, and actually Brozime gives plenty of alternative routes as well.
Anyways i need to rewatch the video because i watched this while farming so i didnt give it my full attention.
@@2BsWraithThe problem is how vague these statements are. A build video is essentially a recommendation at the end of a day.
Calling the armor strip mesa good for any content is true but it's unintentionally misleading people into spending resources for something they might never need.
If it was clear from the start that this build can't realistically armor strip anything below level 1000 or so, the amount of people who would re-create it will significantly drop and it will naturally only be done by people who actually want level cap potential.
Point being that more details and specificity will be good for the community since resources are expensive, especially the new combined shards.
I do prefer more practical builds but that's just a preference.
@@Norrschein Ive been regularly stripping enemies in netracells
As someone who loves brozimes videos and I think he makes good content however you have some great points in this video. There’s nothing wrong with some constructive criticism:)
I think a lot of creators fall victim to wanting to launch vids with "MAX DAMAGE NOW!!!" trends. We all know it's for views and that's fair. It is interesting to see what they come up with.
But to see new players watch those videos and think that is the end goal, then go out and blow real money on attaining these very specific builds is pretty disheartening.
I've played this game before Ember Prime first came into existence and have quit and come back time and time again.
One thing I can assure everyone is that the meta builds being produced today will not be the same in a year from now. Trust me.
A prime example of this is my old Soma Prime build. Everyone knows Soma Prime used to be an absolute monster. I left it modded according to what worked 5yrs ago. Upon my return, the gun is absolute crap in its current state. Not only because of (what is now considered poor modding - even though it was Brozime's build from back then), but also because of nerfs, etc.
My whole point if you are a newer player is. Learn to mod properly, don't over commit to any build (aka buying the meta mods, etc.). Keep your builds for general use. I rarely go past 3 forma on most weapons, because I don't like having to get multiples of super rare mods and because I don't do longterm endurance runs. I have no need for it and I'd wager to guess most normal players don't either. The best take away from any big YT build video is the concept. Don't just look at the end result, but rather, the thought process and realization involved in producing the builds.
You'll end up saving yourself a lot of time and money and end up having more fun. Trying to go back and re-forma a build because you maxed it out and it no longer works a yesr later sucks big time.
i get where you are coming from and agree to some extend. 100% agreed new players should never rush to get a new meta build within the first couple months of the content release as for one they prob arent ready for it yet anyway but by the time they actually get it the build might be changed. they havent been around long enough to look at a new update and know what de will prob nerf. i didnt get the topaz shard specifically because i knew it was going to change and de history is usually nerf to the ground and maybe a year later it will get some buffs.
i 100% disagree on the modding and forma aspect. every player should be investing into weapons that fall ~high b and up on a general teir list if they like the weapon. it is not that much investment for time for the gain of having a proper build on a weapon (note not saying to get rivens as they are a meme just having good mods and a full build). frames are iffy as most frames only need 1-2 forma to be in a good enough spot to be perfectly fine with some synergies and moderate loadouts.
the reinvestment every year or so i used to think was annoying but thb i kinda like it now. usually its not even that much reinvestment anyway. 1-2 forma at most and i get to have some fun finding some new combos and a fresh take on what was a static build at that point. on top its not that the builds from then were bad or that the mods got nerfed (tho it is true that some weapons got nerfed) its more or less that the builds just got power creeped. its more like oh this new stuff can make my old gun i liked better at the cost of having to play the game and get the new stuff.
to each their own on how they wanna play i just personally dont really understand the thought process of de introducing stuff to freshen up the game loop is bad (out side of de nerfing stuff on usage data as that is just retarded and generally either doesnt fix the core issue or is just a slap in the face for what the community finds fun). the real money thing is kinda meh as well. people are going to spend money regardless it just comes with having a premium currency on top of youtube videos. the people that are going to buy stuff are going see something cool and buy stuff regardless if its from youtube videos or some random in their lobby. been plenty of times newer players asked me for my loadout its none of my business how or if they obtain the items
@smolneko550 True. I had to condense a lot of what I wanted to say. I felt like I was saying too much. You pretty much finished my thought process(es). People will buy anything if it's the trend and you are right, it won't take a YT's influence to encourage them to spend the money.
I come from a simpler time when big builds didn't take Helminth, Archon Shards, Rivens, or Arcanes. So, admittedly, my age is showing. You make good points.
I highly recommend newer players stick to doing 3 forma max and avoid spending any umbra formas. Unless they find a frame or weapon that you absolutely love. Just don't go jumping all in on something because of what someone said and play how you want and for what makes you happy. It's supposed to be for fun before anything else.
@@azurearcade342 yeah i been around for a while as well. bout 7 years or so. i always tell people nothing in warframe is worth buying with real money. i tend to see things that will get nerfed ahead of time so some things i dont bother with but most of the stuff that released like the arcanes, shards, helminth i didnt see as invalidating my old builds but a reason to play the game again and see what kind cool builds i could make. the biggest problem i think is that people tell new players/returning players that its the bad modding but the core of the builds are exactly the same as they were those years ago. just with new gear to outsource the stat increases allowing more utility options(in some cases tho its still kinda sad we went from "the build" to kinda 3 generic builds but it is progress.)
You are a 100% right...what is meta today will be considered trash in 3-6 months. Warframe has always been like that and it will never change. Never.
Genuinely people r better off using the green shard as “ability damage on corrosive” as it functions as a faction multiplier for exalted weapons as well.
Mesa’s best friend has always been pillage as it gives her a source of both armor strip and and survivability. When I found out that both adaptation and shatter shield work on overshield i never swapped off.
Equilibrium supremacy
make a video how how you would build mesa
Vid is kinda old, but How can i tell which Mods to Put on Frames? Like how can i Gauge whether a Frame Benefits more from Strength or Duration, etc?
I've just Recently got back into Warframe & i've been Trying to Refresh the Frames i Used a lot prior to my Break (Mesa, Harrow & Nyx to Name a few) & i'm Finding that Going off of RUclipsr Templates can be a Mixed Bag of Results sometimes.
I get what you are trying get at, but you have to realize thw point of brozimes build it to be able to scale super high with the armor striping, and you will start to need it pretty quickly since regulator dmg falls off pretty quickly past like 200ish, also acolytes can only stack up to 4 stacks of any effect, so idk why you are refering to that as a bad thing on mh's build
I don't watch Warframe RUclipsrs, but in their defense, I am not going to optimize my build to complete low level content (every day base Steel Path) the fastest. I am going to optimize every warframe to excel at level cap and I won't change the build no matter what level content I am doing. When I want to do a level cap circuit run with friends or farm level cap disruption/void cascade, I do not want to make sure I chose the right config. The most I will do is swap bane mods. If you want to optimize Mesa for base steel path content, you want equipment that increases her mobility first and foremost. Agility archon shard(s), Dispatch Overdrive in the exilus slot of her melee weapon, Arcane Consequence, Amalgam Serration on her primary, Amalgam Barrel Diffusion on her secondary, etc. This is for faster completions for general content. I don't need to be as mobile at level cap as damage output and survivability matter more. I'd rather run different archon shards at level cap than the ones that would increase my QoL for general content.
However, if content creators are not informing their viewers that the displayed builds are for level cap then they are doing a disservice. I do understand where they are coming from though. As an endgame player, I will have a dedicated warframe or two to complete general content the fastest. I will not build every warframe with QoL in mind and will not build a duplicate of the warframe to alter archon shard configs. I hope you can understand this perspective.
Awesome video and points. Hope your channel pops off!
Hi thank you for making this video, can you post a more practical build for mesa?
How does that Pistol look like it was actually modded in?
That's called a skin
which skin dawg@@noahedenborg4221
I watched Brozime s video to see if it is possible to use green shards to armor strip with Mesa.. with 200 SP enemies, his strip kicks in after 70%-80% of health.. his status chance is 30%.. it seems corrosive kicks in 15% of the times.. so it takes around 94 shots to trip all armors.. that's around 3-4 sec on his Mesa.. only if we can boost the status on Mesa's regulators so armor is stripped in a sec
That is why I only look for interesting interactions not the builds itself
I returned about a month ago. Learned really quick that I didn't agree with Brozime after a few of his videos. Good to see I wasn't off base.
I like energy nexus more due to the practicality you can have max energy at the start with just two moves nourish and wellspring and youd be max in like 6 seconds
And i strip quite a lot but thats due to my build being quite incomplete as i have no ceramic dagger to buff it
Fair but it won’t work with channeling abilities
@@teknyon yes but just popping in and out of mesas waltz is all it takes
whats even the point to full strip enemies if you would use corrosive damage? it ignores some armor on its own and has less damage against full stripped
Acolytes are capped at 4 procs per status, and 4 corrosive procs is still a 44% armor strip, but everything else I agree with
Keep up the good work and please make more practical builds
what about the build with 5x tauforged crimson archon shards?
I get your point But Brozime in his video clearly highlights that it is “overkill” and “ unnecessary”, emerald shards may not be useful in practical use, but when u push something to its max potential in warframe its usually not very practical.
I mean, I'm an average player and I'm using Brozime's build quite comfortably even now, despite there being some changes to a few of its mechanics. Though, I'm actually trying to mix it up with Blacky's build rn as I feel I am wasting potential by using the Ceramic Dagger instead of Melee Crescendo.
I dunno, I see your point, but I personally have no problem with the builds, I like working for my strength and somewhat min-maxing
You can go against lvl 1000+ enemies in the steel path circuit.
My main argument for building for extremely high level enimies is that i might as well for the rare occasion that i do face them because the low levels are gonna die regardless so no sense in optimizing my build for them. Also doesn't brozine repeatedly express through out that video that what he is doing is overkill and unnecessarily?
A fair concession to this is the fact that The Circuit exists, has *way* faster level scaling, the Wyrmling Shot decree will proc Corrosive on every single shot, and Close Contagion means that on average, enemies close to your initial target will gain stacks at half the rate even if not directly hit, and overguard's maximum corrosive stack cap before it's broken will rise from 4 to 8, meaning you only need 6 more hits for full strip on thrax and eximus units once overguard is broken.
So, in the context of The Circuit, where you're at like level 1500 enemies by 30 minutes, and 4000 by an hour, green shards can absolutely make a difference. That being said, it may genuinely be preferable to go for a Tauforged Green rather than two green, since you lose that sweet 1.75x damage bonus against Ferrite Armour, and between 13x Corrosive and 1x heat proc, you've got 99% of armour completely removed, and corrosive damage further ignoring 75% of that to only be affected by 0.25x armour.
Wait... You can go to the circuit with a companion? Did I mean something?
Here’s the thing, Mesa needs a LOT of investment to become high level viable. Her builds require a shit ton of moving parts to scale properly and retain a good kpm. Circuit decrees themselves just outright solve that problem. I don’t want to
A: switch out my shard to a tau emerald every time I load up circuit when I see Mesa
B: make another mesa and collect EVEN MORE tau shards and forma the frame and regulators…
just to do more damage in an activity I’ve already basically completed in my eyes as not every single incarnon is worth grabbing imo.
TLDR: Mesa kill high level? Use Green crystal
Mesa kill average SP enemy? No green crystal :(
@@yeetyah403 Ehh, I think every incarnon is worth grabbing, if only so that a wider pool of weapons is actually usable in The Circuit, given that basically every Incarnon Genesis takes its relevant weapon to 'steel path viable', even if it's the bottom tier of steel path viable. Even if the incarnon _mode_ isn't worth much, like in the case of Gorgon, the buffs alone to the base weapon for the most part make up for that.
Then again I've basically _"beaten"_ the game at this point and I'm just using collecting things and helping friends as excuses to play more.
["Her builds require a shit ton of moving parts to scale properly and retain a good kpm."]
Not a whole lot more than other frames, to be quite honest. Aside from having an exalted weapon, which is like, a known quantity, it's not terribly difficult to actually get her going. You don't even NEED corrupted or primed mods. It's just that youtubers love to minmax different mechanics to really yank out as much power as they possibly can to hit some arbitrary metric that is rarely useful to actual game progression in any meaningful away. For example, void fissures are the only game mode in which endurance content serves a functional point outside of Arbitrations (everything past 5th round is Rotation C) or the Circuit (everything past 5th round is maximum progression gain), with 95 minutes of survival being the point where all resource drop chances are doubled and all resource pickups are doubled.
Like, you CAN use Combat Discipline to proc Arcane Avenger to make Peacemakers crit more... but why, though, when you can go an hour in steel path survival even without that? Is it about whether or not you need to use the life support capsules?; are they just that bothersome to hit X on?
You could instead use the aura slot to put in Growing Power to have enough strength to max out Shatter Shield's damage reduction whilst using Precision Intensify to give Peacemaker a lot of strength without having to sacrifice efficiency or duration.
You could just put on Arcane Blessing to give Mesa a lot more health to actually chew through for Shatter Shield to defend, taking her from like 465 hp to 1665 hp. You could give her Arcane Guardian to give her enough armour to defend it beyond Shatter Shield (+900 armour takes her from 25% dr via armour to 77% dr via armour; effectively just over 66% damage reduction). This would take the 1665 from being 2247 effective health to 7242 effective health, and this is before Shatter Shield's 95% damage reduction further multiplies that by 20x, to 144,840 effective health, and if you had Adaptation, it could potentially go even higher still.
Point is, if someone doesn't have Combat Discipline or, more likely, Arcane Avenger, because Eidolons are awful and they maybe missed this event or didn't prioritize getting Avenger for the amount of time and effort they have, maybe getting a couple green shards, or even a tauforged green, maybe isn't actually all that difficult in comparison and can close the gap. Arcane Blessing is easier to get by a mile, Arcane Guardian also (it's a third of the price of Avenger if traded for, and it's relatively common by Eidolon standards).
Heck, there's even the _incredibly_ cursed builds that Helminth _over_ Peacemaker, using Muzzle Flash to blind and Ballistic Bullseye to pull some wicked forced-crit shenanigans with stuff like Tenet Plinx, Lato Incarnon, Bronco Incarnon, and potentially gas builds if using a gathering ability, and moreover it's not limited exclusively to secondaries either. The introduction of Precision Intensify only gives further power to this exact shenanigan, as it allows for things like Pillage to hit defence-stripping breakpoints with significantly less investment than it used to need.
As long as the mission gets done and you had fun, like, what's the issue? Do people really _need_ to kill like 200 enemies a minute? Maybe just getting a near-total armour strip with only one shard of investment is, like, enough that you don't feel like you need to have Combat Discipline and Arcane Avenger? Maybe you're not even using the green shards for Peacemaker; maybe they're for Tempest Barrage?
Mesa isn't really all that complicated. Like many things, people make her complicated to try and squeeze out every last drop of DEEPS, whether or not that level of DEEPS is actually requisite.
@@oriondezagrats4228 to me the frame is nothing but peacemakers, the faster they shoot and the more enemies they kill, the happier I am. No I don’t absolutely have to do everything possible to min max her damage. Combat discipline, avenger, velocity, secondary outburst, initial combo riven for ceramic dagger, melee crescendo to squeeze out 240%, adarza kavat with link shields for reinforced bond from primed redirection on the frame, 3 tau crimson shards, 2 tau topaz shards, every primed mod worth using you get the picture. I do it because it’s fun to push her to absurd levels of killing the enemy dead. Why go through all the trouble of stacking my shards and my buffs, when I could just press 4 with a mid set up and still kill everything but a little slower? Because it doesn’t give me monkey go happy dopamine hit. Sure I could build her to live longer or do something different but that’s not why I play her. If I die it was probably just a skill issue or I forgot to press 3.
Basically, most if not all people like 95% of them who pick up Mesa or want to try her, they are all going for the same thing. Kill more enemy, kill them faster. Why not lean into it as hard as you can?
Also, yes, activating life support is indeed too much to handle for me I feel like I could shit shower and shave by the time it finishes
Don't aco's have a lower cap on normal status effects like corrosive? isn't it 4?
I'm waiting for your Mesa video, excited!
this is why i use one tauforged emerald shard, its more than enough & I can use some ability duration red shards instead that are more useful imo
The two emerald shards set for corrosive are definitely more effective on weapons that can actually apply 14 stack before killing the target, phantasma prime or tenant cycron as examples.
But I think the consideration for 2 emerald shards on Mesa comes from topaz shards being changed from additive to multiplicative secondary critical chance requiring 4 topaz or 3 tau topaz to reach red crits. Even just using a few topaz for more consistent orange crits is more functionally useful than the corrosive but I would say it's less interesting.
Additionally brozime seems partial to parkour velocity for a more zippy Mesa's Waltz and was uninterested in using topaz shards after the corrective nerf, based on a coment he left on the video answering someone else's question.
Eventually I want to try 3 tau topaz for getting mesa's regulators to 218% crit and 2 yellow parkour for shpeed.
ummm as someone who has been grinding for weeks farming specific arcanes and mods/weapons for the brozime build (im asking this before checking your page) but do you have any recommended build vids for mesa? shes also my favorite frame and i use her in most of the content i play
There is one more possibility: Steelpath Circuit with level cap enemies - and this is probably the only one realistic way for an ordinary player to meet them.
You'll probably end here without your fancy ceramic dagger or furax, and definetly without your sentinels - so you'll have to think around Mesa on her own. Minding decrees, I do prefer toxin status build Mesa (toxin+viral+corrosive combo) with two +2corr. stacks shards and three +15% dmg on corrosive status shards - and you won't belive it, this build still works great on usual steelpath missions with the dagger and sentinel buffs!
Yo what's that fashion frame the chest piece with the stuff going over the shoulders looks sick
It was a limited time ephemera during the breast cancer support campaign some years ago. You can't get it anymore I think.
You can get to lvl 2000+ enemies in steel path circuit, but that's basically the only place
Void cascade and disruption, level cap in about 2 hrs.
Yeah idk about the whole armor stripping thing. Tried it myself, didn't feel a difference from my traditional build.
Like seriously, if you wanna kill stuff with the regulators, you just get a good chunk of ability strength, get some good fire rate buff with arcane velocity if you have it, invest in multishot, get galvanized shot and if you absolutely wanna scale you slap on primed heated charge, whatever else is up to you.
The reason behind this? The way regulators scale with ability strength and base damage. It's counted several times which is why galvanized shot has such an impact, it's not that you need to apply alot of one status, it's that you need to apply one of each.
That being said, corrosive shards still help, but not for regulators specifically, it's just a convenient thing to have if you have a corrosive primer for instance, but then it's not so much a Mesa thing.
If you want to remove these shards off your mesa and use them elsewhere, Yareli is a good candidate, just get a corrosive heat nukor. With that much base status chance on the weapon you're guaranteed to strip anything, and if something has shields you can still have your nukor be a magnetic progenitor to take care of that. Other weapons can be good too, but this one is just so easy to use for such good results.
Acolytes stop at 4, because ALL stacks stop at 4 on Acolytes. Doesnt matter the status
No way bruh I watched this as I was doing a khora infested survival, and he's right I followed a khora build with full achrons shards and everything but I don't even do steel path or anything 😭
I feel Brozime made it very clear that this was an extremely overkill, and expensive build. Valid takes of course but given Brozime's approach to this build being geared to lv 9999 content, it doesn't make sense to critique it based on the average player only making it to maybe lv 100-300. Also quite literally the first thing Brozime says is that you likely do not have everything for this build, I don't think it gets any clearer than that... He also mentions you do not need everything on the build, only parts of it will be powerful...
The thing thats doubly bad is that they probably know most people just skip to the mod menu part of the vid to try to copy the build.
Theres a million different ways to built weapons in the game. But I think most of the public ones are not the best way to build for most peoples use cases. And some arent even good in all cases compared to what they could be.
To be fair you don’t need optimized builds for average everyday content. Any half decent build can kill level 40-130 enemies , which is about the maximum that you will see from basic content like star chart to higher end stuff like sortie and archon hunt.
I'm currently working on knightmare's latest build, hope it works, seems to be a strong build
1000% true. As a LR4 the only time I went lvl cap is in circuits and I dont count that, the average player including myself will never sit down 4-5 hours to see the true potential of there build. That's too much time and I have no patience, I would recommend to new players to just get a comfortable and not too over the top SP build that will last u an hour or so and your good to go. Cause at the end of the day you will invest a lot of fusion shards and not experience your true build
Nothing can be worse than a Pupsker build.
I'm not gonna lie, I watched this video out of interest because I have the frame setup for Brozime's build, but I have to say this: you talk about clarity regarding what the build is for, and I need to ask the question: how much clearer can you get than a title with "No Limits" in it?
The frame setup is great as is because Corrosive is a favourable damage type vs the main types of enemies that are going to be fought in most higher level activities, Grineer and the Grineer Corrupted enemies. Nourish + Energy Nexus is super comfy for almost everything you do on this build as you do not need to wait for Eximus to get use out of something like Equilibrium. Equilibrium is a fantastic mod, but I find it a better use case on Frames that can guarantee orbs (Voruna for example, or Protea) rather than something I just have on every frame. Preference plays a part for sure, I can definitely see that, but something that requires me to just not have my 4 turned on for a few seconds to basically fully recharge my energy to me is much more valuable on Mesa than just praying for an Eximus to show up, or praying to RNG to spawn an orb for me.
I however do not have the super investment stuff set up for it, because I don't have it, and I have the sense to not be like "omg wait this No Limits build isn't actually accessible?".
What do I have as a result of following Brozime's build? I have a super comfy Mesa with a favourable damage type vs all the enemies I will typically be killing, that requires minimal effort to pilot in just about anything, that has the potential to go very high in Endurance if I ever choose to do that (I don't like Endurance, and you can do Endurance with way, way less kitted out frames).
If the point is "think of the new players", I absolutely agree with you in 99% of cases, seeing builds where every single "easy build" has maxed arcanes and shards and stuff is very irritating and I had this exact problem returning to the game. But in this particular case, with Brozime's overinvestment build that he very clearly states is overinvestment, I don't think the argument really holds up here.
I'm not trashing your point, because overall I agree with most of what you've said, but I think that if you want to go after subpar buildmaking for new players, a build that Brozime has tweaked from his other build he was clear about basically nobody having all the stuff for it isn't the particular target I think you should be going after here. I think this build is a clear cut case of a build very much not intended for new players, or players just stepping into the world of Warframe buildcrafting.
The point is moreso that the build in question gets 0 benefit from the green shards. It presents a purely hypothetical idea of Mesa applying 14 corrosive procs to armour strip before killing the enemy, and yet Brozime's own video shows that this never happens. It's a waste of resources to put on Mesa because she gets 0 benefits.
@@wellardsharks This is true, and I agree with that. I can think of way more beneficiaries of Green Shards than I can Mesa, however I still tried it anyway and honestly I prefer it to the old Pillage setup.
Saryn in particular, Gauss as a weapons platform, Hydroid maybe, and so on.
I use emerald/red shards on my protea, and her dps is insane. However, there are definite drawbacks to using them.
Why does this matter? It’s just a game. People can do whatever content they want. Either way anything works with such powercreep. It’s just the tiniest difference over pixels on a screen
If you listened to the video he explains, why it matters. People are heavily investing time and resources into builds that don't take advantage of those resources until you are hours in endurance runs so they aren't practical. Discussions are important even if they hurt your feelings. That's what life is all about.
I tried something similar on Excalibur Umbra thinking that I could fully strip armor only to realize that enemies die before I could proc enough corrosion status affects
This made me realize that its not worth it and now I have 2 fused shards with out a use for them
Put them on literally any Saryn build, her spores will reliably full strip enemies even from minute 1 in Steel Path content
Yep good analysis. MHBlacky's build is also kinda heavy on the energy if my memory serves me right, he markets it as a very end game cause of how he builds it but it's very unsustainable cause of the energy efficiency on it is just straight up bad. I critiqued a different RUclipsr's build on a specific frame the other day and I got his fans seething at me. That RUclipsr or any "influencer" for that matter are not the only LR3 and vets of the game that knows how to build their stuff. Their fans that are mostly new to the game will defend them like I've hurt them personally cause no vet their worth their salt would use that build nor even think of putting certain combinations of mods that are just plainly impractical for actual use. I've had found some interesting stuff from the same RUclipsr that I've incorporated on my own builds but I'd comment about it if they're giving the wrong information.
I've noticed that some of the RUclipsrs lately don't even have practical builds, it looks nice on paper and MLG type meme videos but the amount of set up they do before they even hit record is just not practical and the amount of newbies thinking they could replicated those builds and asking for them are insane. I ask for builds cause they pique my interest but it's not that I'm gonna actually do it cause like I said the set up are sometimes more than it being usable, I just wanna see if I overlooked something that I could take from their builds to min max some stuff without going all out into meme territory.
6:38 at least KnightmareFrame actually uses the builds he usually makes for end game at end game. He usually starts the video with a montage of him killing level 9999 mobs. Then people get mad at him for making "unrealistic" over the top full of Primed and Galvanized mod setups when he actually markets it as an actual end game setup. Actual end game players would have the mods and resources to actually replicate it besides a Riven cause Rivens are Rivens.
Honestly I don't really care for Knightmareframe. Not because I think he's particularly bad at building or because it's "unrealistic" to go that far, but because he calls just about anything broken, especially when the interaction is above average at best. Like, not everything needs a supreme drop level of hype. You figured out a sidegrade to other shit that can be done at 9999 that's arguably less efficient than what could be done by the 20 people who actually want to play a mission that long, you don't need to try and trick me into believing that Yareli is suddenly god tier because of it.
as a returning player from when umbra was introduced i was overwhelmed by by all the content and didnt know where to begin but i got my footing mut now im stuck i dont know how to get futher in and by watching this video (mesa is my best warframei have rn) i feel like u can clear up some things for me since i dont know half of the stuff the othe youtuber are talking about aka im your average joe
enjoy the sub and looking forward to your guidance
Good video! Looking forward to the next one. Subbed
How are you healing from Combat Dicipline?
I tested this out a couple weeks ago and came to the same conclusion green shards are wasted on mesa.
i have no clue why would anyone use her for strip armor specially because of how low status regulators have. its better to build ger for pure red crits
Whats your guys opinions on precision intensify on mesa?
i see no point for using umbral intensify when my energy sustain is no problem and the damage reduction on mesa's 3rd is on 95%(Cap) anyways.
My Mesa Build if you wanna try it. 5 Forma
Combat Disciplin(!R1!) / Mesa Waltz
Streamline / Narrow Minded / Adaptation /Vitality (or Primed Redirection if one blue tauforged ES shard)
Primed Flow / Precision Intensify / Augur Secrets / Blind rage
Arcane Avenger/Velocity
Nourish on Mesa's 1st
Zenurik for Passive energy income (while not in her 4th) and 20% Strength for Nourish and Shooting Gallery
Afentis and Furax(with amalgam mod) for utility
I'd drop Augur Secrets for Primed Continuty (Help a bit with efficiency on 4), or Energy Nexus (so you can use Madurai or w/e focus you want). The lose in ability strength can be recovered with Madura. or you can use Unairu for armor/shield strip on tankier enemies (acolyte included). Vazarin is also really good at survival as well if you have enough dmg on w/e you're playing.
Don't get me wrong, everyone plays warframe differently; In my opinion, you should use warframe build videos as a template/idea instead of copying the build and try to play around it
I think there's an argument to be made that the goal of a corrosive build woudn't necessarily be to fully armor strip, but to remove enough armor to chew up the enemies while leaving enough armor to keep the damage bonus for enemies weak to corrosive damage. If the two shards are enough to make armor almost negligeable and drop the EPH of enemies to an insignificant level, does it really matter if a sliver or armor still remains ? That said I do think ppl like Brozime end up sounding arrogant with their builds most of the time , not bothering to explain the math or justify their choices and not proposing any alternatives or why they didn't choose any of the augments, for example, as if it wasn't required of them to justify their build choices. For years I looked at Brozime's build and I was puzzled at them, like why no survivability mods ? Why so much energy efficiency ? Why putting Roar and Red Shards on every single frame ?... It's ok to have your own preferences, but I pretty much never copy any of Brozime's builds... Sometimes I take inspiration from them, but they just don't work for me most of the time... Like his gauss build is all duration, zero survivability mods, no preparation to be able to start the mission running from the start ... Whyyy ? They guy will put a 15% duration mod over a survivability mod or prime flow for some reason... Such a wierd build maker...
i understand what ur saying but brozime literally says in his video u never need to take the build to where he's at for daily use at the start of the video
I’m so confused right now your telling me to not Listion to RUclipsrs and there builds but your telling me to Listion to you
"so that some poor shmuck with two archon shards"
THAT'S ME! Hahhaha I'm new at the game and the way mhblacky explained the build sounded super convincing and I was about to go balls deep investing on it, but then i saw a very low effort high payoff rev build from AznvasionsPlays and decided to go with that one instead, now I'm glad I did.
Literally have no shards on her, have a similar build with some mod changes for the way I build survivability, and a bit less status on her regs cause I’m missing like one mod, and I still tear through shit, I love it. Honestly might just shard for parkour velocity and crit, given how I wasn’t really feeling the need for the greens as is.
Sir, thank you. This has been one of my biggest problems with WF channels for years. When going to them, looking for a build for a new frame or one I don't play often, I'd consistently get oddball and/or high maintenance builds, that are hyper-situational, require super rare or hard to get items, jumping through numerous hoops to do really high damage you don't really need, or excessive emphasis on damage color (e.g., red crits).
I turn to videos much less these days. So tired of the bs.
"dont use youtuber builds"
fixed that for you
We have absolutely reached the point whete min/maxing is incredibly hard to do in youtube's current space of constant uploads. There is a meed to keep uploading videos, and this means we are finding a lot of very mixed info. At current, vets are just dumping most of their resources that they are swimming in into whatever they can without practical math. Azninvasion is also guilty of this and he is probably the "math heavy" guy.
The cool thing is we have a lot of practical builds that work now for a lot of warframes. The game has changed. A lot. And its amazing to see.
I will drop half of my archon shards into purple for free equilibrium. No I cannot be stopped.
I don't really understand how this is supposed to be a criticism of Brozime's Saryn build featuring those green shards. It's hardly his fault that he introduces the video explaining that the build is needlessly overkill and someone apparently assumes it's a beginners guide to Saryn. I almost feel like we watched two different videos.
You have a perfectly good point to your video there's no need to go conjuring up injustices to solve.
Hey Sleihbeggey,
That is probably because It's not a criticism of his Saryn build and neither is it about not being beginner friendly. This video talks about green shard armor strip and/or status Mesa builds and my point is that it's not made clear enough just how sub-optimal that really is for the vast majority of content, even if it has "no limits" in terms of scaling.
after nourish nerf would you still pick nourish or something like pillage?
I still do. It's essentially mandatory for my high level builds (4/5) because they forfeit efficiency. You have to use the regulators a little more sparingly, but otherwise it's still decent.
I'm looking for a solo circuit build for her, the corrosive shard will be useful then, no? Since you can get a bunch of decrees like +fire rate and -status duration/+status chance. It should be enough to kill those 9999 eximus units before it gets crowded, they are the ones screwing me really hard (I don't really like using pillage).
corrosive shards is good in circuit because there's a decree that proc corro every gun shot.
lot of investment just for ciruit tho when you could just equip litterally any melee weapon and decrees will make it more than strong enough
Fashion build please
did you just not watch zimes video? He literally says in the video its ridiculous over investment that you don't need to do to make mesa work. Its for those of us who want to put that investment in
that glock skin pisses me off every time I see it I just had to not be playing warframe specifically in 2022
If you don’t mind, could you recommend a mesa build? I struggle when it comes to damage and survival
Build for duration, efficiency and power strength. Key mods I use:
Mesa's waltz, fits in exidus slot, mine isn't even ranked up, I just need to be able to roll
Rolling guard to clense debuffs and on tap invincibility
Narrow minded, transient fortitude, umbra or normal intensify, primed or normal continuity are key mods I use for the stat set up. You may need to umbra forma a slot if you can and do isolation vaults for the corrupted mods. currently there are alerts on the weekend to get one corrupted mod per week (currently is blind rage, which I don't recommend on her until very end game, though it's very strong on a lot of other frames)
And key one: equilibrium, which let's you pick up energy while walking and rolling.
For steps further, the arcanes I run are molt argmented and molt efficiency
For more, I swapped her one for silence, which works well with negative range, though this can be swapped for say norish and something else ya like.
This all being said, her shatter shield should always be up, that buff is some insane mitigation. Make sure your keeping her shooting gallery and shatter shield up. Also why I like duration on her, because less buff upkeep time.
@@nicktheninja3166 I see. I do have all of that except for the arcanes. I don’t have too many of those but I have a crimson shard on her, I think that works with the regulators but idk. I used nourish but I might switch it to silence once I get banshee consumed. Imma try that exactly but I kinda had that build already, but I replaced equilibrium with a primed flow. I also used power drift to get a little more power. I think it’s also the mods on the regulators that may be causing my lack of damage for her. I really don’t know
@@grosslyDese2060 she does have max energy issues for sure, I use one blue shard on her, and yes red works for her guns, cos they are secondaries (like Titania)
But probably an unpopular take: I think flow and primed flow are worthless (with the exception of the melee shard, which colour escapes me, the one that gives you melee crit damage if over 500 energy) it's much more effective to ping pong your energy than to have a max, it uses a mod slot to build for convince and adds nothing (which the exception of the melee shard) to a build.
Mesa is an exception for flow however, her energy max is especially low. But do you want to fix that with a blue shard or a mod slot?
Update: use precision intensify on Mesa if you have it. It's better for her than the umbra one (also base version) for a reasons a math nerd could tell you, but I'm not. So source: trust me bro?
that's why i avoid to search builds whatsoever (only for some things that totally don't work for me)
and basically do my own test (it also fun this way)
Brozime did armor strip the demolishers in his video and he's probably THE guy who makes regular builds for regular players. I think you have a point in what you're talking about, but maybe finish the video and read a few comments before making this level of a fool of yourself bruh. Best of luck tho.