Gerrymandering: Why it's getting worse
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2022
- It's not quite one-person, one-vote, when politicians can redraw maps of the voting districts they represent, to ensure safe seats for their party. Correspondent David Pogue looks at how partisan gerrymandering can undermine true democracy.
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Gerrymandering needs to be illegal.
so true
It is illegal, however, it must be challenged in court and that doesn't always happen. As stated, voting districts are generally only re-drawn every ten years, coinciding w/ the Census.
it is in Michigan and what do you know shortly after its banned dems win control of the state legislature
if the people in power change the rules to keep themselves in power, how do you vote them out
Without gerrymandering, congress people would actually have to work for their constituents. With gerrymandering, they actually don't. Get rid of it.
"A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices." - George Orwell
Yep, trump voters.
Who needs a traitor when a party loyalist will do. You made me think of all the people who still support Trump.
@@Thumbhit1 Republicans won the popular vote by 5 million more votes this midterm. So there's that
@@seymourbutts4654 Republicans won the popular vote by 5 million more votes this midterm. So there's that
@@godssara6758 rewarding a party that tried to overturn the previous election makes no sense to me
Gerrymandering is not only unjust, but is also a threat to politics.
We have to keep democrats in power. Keep blacks on welfare. Keep blacks from ever owning any property
RepubiCONS have been doing it for year's.
@@roxannemitchell6112 2 sides to the same coin
Supreme Court: Nothing we can do about gerrymandering
Also Supreme court: We can take away a woman's right to her own body though
They’re also on the verge of saying that State Courts have no jurisdiction over gerrymandering either. Bunch of partisan hacks! 😤
What right?
Roe V Wade was a court opinion. Is was never a law or a right(though a couple of states have now changed this)
@@jpoppinga8417 look at you nit pick! 😂😂😂 I’m just gonna leave this here…
Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States conferred the right to have an abortion.
@@jpoppinga8417 I guess the right to privacy is a court opinion too.
@@seymourbutts4654 the right to privacy has no connection to murdering children in the womb.
Schwarzenegger best accomplishment as governor of CA was creating an independent process that prevents Gerrymandering
his last act as Governor was to fill every vacant Judge Post ...50:50 Dems and Republicans....they just all had to promise to Exercise! He earned my respect with that action.
One person, one vote has *never* been reality. The electoral college makes sure of that. We need to completely redesign our electoral system.
Not born in the states but having moved here for University the electoral college was so difficult for me to understand. I constantly referred to it as Pony Express voting.. it might have had a place as over century ago when rural folk were illiterate and there was no internet.. but there is absolutely no excuse for it now!
The electoral college has nothing to do with congressional districts...
@@IntriguedLioness It's purpose is to make smaller states have the same power as California.
So California isn't the ones writing laws for the entire country.
Pure democracy is evil are founding fathers understood that that's why they made the electoral college.
We are a constitutional republic.
“Eventually people die…” Ugh, hurry up already for some of them. They really need to impose term limits. By getting in the younger ones by the previous Admin, they’ll be there for what it feels like will be FOREVER, and by being that far Conservative, we’ll see more rulings fall taking away rights rather than protecting them. Enough is enough.
Recently our council districts changed and there were public hearings via zoom and it was like a game show. And in the end, council members had the final say on how their districts were remapped. Now after some back room dealings were secretly recorded and released, one member resigned and the other two are hanging on collecting paychecks but not going to council meetings. Sort of a paid vacation as they'll surely be ousted in the future.
Keep Shining the Light
Names would be great.
Abolish congressional districts and made it statewide. If a state has 2 and other has 4 congressional districts. In the election have 4 and 8 candidates. The 2 and 4 that get the most votes statewide are elected as representatives of the state.
Good idea, but that would be too easy, and you'll get complaints from parties in offices.
@@DuyPhan-wg5wn Who cares about any complaints?
Its not a fair system that way
We as a society need to start thinking outside the box. At the state level you could implement proportional voting systems like Germany's states do. With such a system it wouldn't matter how districts are drawn because the number of elected officials would be proportional to the popular vote.
That wouldn't work in the US because of how many people and the size of the country. I was just looking into other election systems in other countries. We need to directly vote on districts and get rid of congressional districting by congress. It's the one instance where mob rule actually works.
@@cidsapient7154 It would work if congress wasn't capped at 435....
It seems insane that smaller countries around the world with similar government setup have more representatives in the lower house then the U.S. does despite the U.S. having a far larger population.
@@TheMissingLink2 You have to give an example of what you are talking about.
What am I supposed to compare to?
@@TheMissingLink2 How would having more representatives help under proportional voting?
If you compare to Germany, they have major problems with coalitions defying what will actually help the people and country.
It creates the ability for extreme parties to gain power.
Proportional voting does not provide direct representation of specific communities.
@@TheMissingLink2 that can easily be changed through a constitutional amendment
Watch the documentary “Slay the Dragon” on what three states did about it. We can fight this but it’s tough and big dark money is gonna fight back. Thank you for sharing this.
I just tried to find it on RUclips. It said buy or rent. Where did you see the documentary? Thanks.
We're a constitutional republic thank god.
Gerrymandering makes us more polarized and us being polarized makes gerrymandering easier
Ron Desantis redrew floridas maps himself
that's a complete lie! He actually vetoed a district map that disenfranchised 2 black districts. You are completely lying.
@@gizzyguzzi it is true and the map was fast tracked and voted in by the GOP state government. No oversight, no committee for justice and fairness. GOP Rule. What desantis says goes , you either agree with him or leave the state
Thanks, excellent piece David Pogue.
Because districting is run by the politicians and not the voters
One help would be more Congressional Representatives. The current 435 was set from the 1910 census when there was only 46 states and the population was about 106M. Today there are 50 states, the population is 330M and yet we still have only 435 Reps. This lets Gerrymandering legislatures divide cities and put parts of them in large rural districts that dilutes the urban voters, thus assuring that rural representatives dominate state legislatures and Congress. Because of this Representatives don't respond and help cities because they lose in those precincts so they really don't care.
The oldest people currently on the court are Republicans. If we can keep Democrats in charge of Congress for the next cycle or two, we have a chance of it not taking that long. But then we are supporting one party rule, which is what we don’t want. We would be better off selecting better candidate on both sides.
what you really want is complete control of the country by the left wing mob.
Only a couple years ago the oldest peopleon the court were Democrats. What's your point?
Thanks for the messaging and the graphics……
This needs to be shown in every high school in the US
This should NOT be for either party!
Michigans Independent redistricting system they used this cycle should be the template for a countrywide anti gerrymandering system.
Democrats hate that. In NM Democrats blocked an independent system. The Democrats are stealing seats in many states through Gerrymandering.
Get rid of districts. Do it like Germany instead. They send representatives based on percentages and preference of control.
Just like the filibuster, it looks like both sides can do it but only one side really does
Democrats use gerrymandering as a weapon.
Thank you for this knowledge. I didn't know some states created independent role in outlining districts. Seems better than whats been going on. Why cant it just be our current county lines?
Before 2020 : Alabama gerrymander was legal
After 2020 : The de facto same map is illegal -maybe thrown our after 2022 For me this is an argument that the situation becomes better
Well then the question becomes what will we have left to fight for or protect at the end of that "long time" we have to wait.
They way to end gerrymandering is to make a permanent number of House representatives for each state that every state would have and that number should be 4 per state, we have a set number of Senators of 2 per state so just double that for the House. Regardless of population or where that population lives. Every state has county lines pre drawn when that state was founded, those are the lines to be used, not some made up district some politician drew.
Interestingly enough here in North Dakota during the 2008 Presidental election, Barack Obama got 44.5 % of the vote, and John McCain got 53.1 % of the vote. Now, that isn't a landslide. But due to the rules and regulations, all of the electoral votes in North Dakota went to John McCain. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that gerrymandering, and the electoral vote process, should both be abolished. Both seem to be ways to marginalize voters.
North, and South Dakota are red States that need to turn BLUE!
@@roxannemitchell6112 North Dakota, even some 20 or 30 years ago, had 2 Democratic Senators that we sent to Washington. However, within the past 5 years, people in N Dakota have become far less open minded and more hateful, of anyone who is not mainstream. Sadly, I have no plans on living here the rest of my life due to the closed minds.
Codify into law that the sum total of district boundaries must be the shortest distance possible, only allowing overage to keep a city/town all within one district.
Let's use Proportional Representation by Single Transferable Vote with multiple member districts of 3, 4, and 5. It is very difficult to draw single member districts to be fair, but independent commissions are a step in right direction.
Glad to see Alex Keena teaching political science because he's young and it seems like few young people really have any interest in politics in America anymore.
Why don't they put in a Boundaries Commission like the British do? It's what the British did and gerrymandering is not a problem there. Last time it was tried was in the 80s and the perpetrator was found out and had had to leave rapidly for Israel, where she's been ever since, so far as I know.
Yoooooooo I had Keena for my senior capstone!!!! So sick to see him on TV.
Well that sure ended on a cheery note!
Politician should not had been given this right in first place.
...we need statesmen and stateswomen in political offices, NOT politicians...three terms for a U.S. Representative and two for a U.S. Senator...people who have been in the D.C. swamp too long, as has our President been there since '73, lose all perspective of what the hoi polloi go through...look up the Dingell name from Michigan and see how disgustingly long that family has been around D.C. ...
They tried that here in my neighborhood it didn't work out so good for them they all lost
Yea but n.y was overturned by Dem judge while Florida was upheld by rep judge...
We need more commissions
The whole system is wrong,first of all ,all that campaigns ( the presidential takes 18 months!!!)and money.....than the process and the results.... pick one ,all needs to be redo.
1:45 you do know 6 states don’t have congressional maps and there house races are statewide so how are you gonna test them for gerrymandering (see what the people who drew the state lines over a hundred years ago said about it)
Suggest we approach gerrymandering thus: All districts must be composed of single convex polyhedrons.
It appears that Vermont has got it right. As usual.
Who appoints the independent commissions?
There is an algorithm known as the shortest splitline algorithm that can create proper voting districts in an unbiased manner. More people need to know about this.
Referencing ProPublica reporting, the Democratic party is still Gerrymandering California via the independent commission.
“A long time“ 3:40 is too long a time to live with unfair decisions that irresponsible officials, are reluctant to rectify!!!
The Republicans divided up the Metro Atlanta area like a pie to create urban/suburban Democratic minorities in six rural congressional districts. If Georgia had congressional districts based solely on compact geographical regions, Georgia would have at least four more Democrats in the House of Representatives, maybe six.
None of it really matters anyway now that we have all this mail in voting where problematic results can be fixed.
Mandate proportional representation in the HoR and ranked choice voting for the President and the Senate. Problem solved.
I once knew a person named Gerry Mander.
That's DeSantis' middle name!
How appropriate that a man called Pogue is explaining gerrymandering which was used by the British to carve the 6 counties away from the Irish government
Pogue mahone is still the relevant response to the brits
And that’s how DeSantis wins Florida! A guy told me from Florida DeSantis won the popular vote; I said , of course he did, because of gerrymandering.
Do you really believe what you just said? You have to be joking, right? Gerrymandering does NOT affect the popuar vote for governor! The popular vote is the total vote of all Floridians regardless of district lines. The district lines are just that, districts. They decide who a representative will represent! Gerrymandering districts has NOTHING to do with the elction of a governor! Governors are decided by the popular vote of all voters in that state. I can't believe that you don't know this! You shouldn't even be allowed to vote while being that ignorant of how the system works! Just face it, Floridians (many POC) LOVE Desantis and you can't handle it.
Bro you have to be JOKing
Who really THInKS that
Denny, what on earth did you say.
the solution: proportional representation. under PR, there will be no longer distrcting
Shenanigans begot Shenanigans
If not for gerrymandering...the GOP would not have won the house.
That’s why the nation needs to draw the district’s the way Iowa does. If you look at Iowa No county I’d divided up, each district must include a full county.
Iowa HAS NO DIVERSITY.. more than 90% of its population is white... that's why they don't need to use this cheating method.
There's more people in all of Los Angeles County than in the entire state of Iowa... a few times over. Such a plan wouldn't work in California.
Iowa is a red state! I never understood why? They need to turn BLUE.
@@roxannemitchell6112 Why?
Clickbait title : no argument that it got worse after 2020. But one argument that it become better more commissions
And i don't believe 42/44 states have republican gerrymander
Good grief - I didn’t come here to hear MSNBC or Fox News
We have a Republic.
People who abuse the system gerrymander. I've always believed that our forefathers expected future politicians to uphold a high moral standard. a moral code that lives by the principles that our founding fathers expressed publicly. Unfortunately, our founders had a hard time practicing what they preached.
From my understanding, our founders expected the country they created to support an atmosphere where its residents would reject public enforcement of theocratic law and publicly practice the philosophy they created, known as the American Enlightenment.
"Thomas Brooks Hofeller (April 14, 1943 - August 16, 2018) was a Republican political strategist primarily known for his involvement in gerrymandering electoral district maps favorable for Republicans." This is the corrupt humanoid who made gerrymandering a common practice.
The federal government should make districting illegal. The state itself would be one huge district. This would necessitate campaigning across the entire state by all candidates for the House. A particular party would not be favored. Rank-choice voting would be implemented to fill all U.S. House seats. The disadvantage is that, in my experience, ranked-choice voting takes longer to count. meaning election day would probably have to be moved to the first week of October.
Democracy is best when all sides and parties can find agreements and settle their differences. It doesn't make me feel that great that democrats won so much this election cycle because a lot of my friends and family are republicans. I wish we had leaders that could help both parties to victory, despite our differences.
How about Main Stream Media Mandering
Gerrymandering is antithetical to everything we say we stand for as a country,
Red, we have all the middle and all the south
Gerrymandering will literally be the only reason Republicans will win back the House this cycle. Dems are likely to wind up with 215 seats while Reps will likely have 220. If the maps were the same as the last cycle, Dems would have won. Those 5 extra Rep gerrymandered seats will make all the difference *sigh*
If only we could make gerrymandering illegal and impose term limits for ALL public office, our country would have better representation and less division.
Eventually people die...
America the slow.
This story loses a lot of credibility with the MSNBC snippet at 0:40. The boundaries of an entire state's gubernatorial election have nothing to do with gerrymandering; it's a popular vote among an entire state's boundaries. The editorial staff at CBS should do better with their selection of footage.
GERRYMANDERING ONLY WAY REP CAN WIN
Why are you focusing on color, why not focus on power.
mauve people
Yet another strong argument for term limits at every level of government, but especially in the US Congress and Supreme Court.
Democrats LOVE gerrymandering when it works in their favor! When it works in Republicans' favor.... not so much.
That is an unfair stereotype. I am a democrat (formerly a republican for forty years) and I think gerrymandering is an outdated and divisive law. We should be able to vote for whomever we want regardless of their political party. I realize being divisive in our nation today is prevalent but, it is a serious detriment to our nation.
Expand the Supreme Court!
Why? Would you have said that 4 years ago when the Republicans were in power and had the chance to do it and to pick all the new judges? Aren't you glad they had the integrity not to?
Think about your logic, you're not getting your way so you want to force your way through unelected judges. How is that "democracy" and what happens when the other side does the same thing? Trump legally and constitutionally got to choose 3 judges. You may not like it but that's the way the cards fell. Changing the rules so that you can win is f@cism.
People die...wow. CBS is really upbeat this morning.
I mean....he is right. And its relevant to what they are talking about
wp & wp.😐
lol..Oh please, Democrats gerrymander just as much.. Regardless, it should be stopped
Repubs just very good at it. How they stay in office.
lmao, did you even listen to the report?
Currently Republicans have more gerrymandered districts because they control more state houses. The point being made is that Democrats will do the same thing given the opportunity. You do realize that Democrats not only invented gerrymandering but they had a majority in Congress for almost 60 years by doing so…
Democrat propaganda
There are 3143 counties in the US.
Each one gets one vote.
Problem solved
So counties with 10,000 people has a vote that is equal to a county with half a million people? Sure that sounds so fair. 🙄
@@robbyten100 Actually every US state gets two senators regardless of population.
So to take this same idea but apportion votes by county instead of states is not that far fetched.
Of course we'd still have the House of Representatives which is apportioned by population.
Does this happen in other countries? And its not changing the rules... its reverting back to original or removing them.
Most countries have one vote per person. We don't have that in America.
@@Remember_when 2? What?
@@Remember_when What are you talking about? Mail--in ballots? The Dems definately get more than one vote per person with those! Seriously though, America has one vote per person just like eveywhere else. The problem is when the vote doesn't go your way you cry foul. Take the 22 midterms for example. The Republican won over 3.5 million MORE total votes than the Dems but only won the house by 6 seats! Did you know that? According to you the Republicans have the right to complain about their votes not counting because they won by 3.5 million but barely got any results because of Gerrymandering by the Democrats in heavy blue states.
@@mattdillon4398 Oh my gosh Matt, you are spouting the numbers backwards.
First off, we have districts. Other countries do NOT have districts. If we went to no electoral college or districts then Republicans would never win.
There are more Democrats in the United States than Republicans and the Republicans have to gerrymander so much just to win. Take a look at Texas. Take a look at the Carolinas. They have split up all the blue districts and added them to Republican districts. Ohio did the same. The Supreme Court refused to hear the case until after the election. Talk about cheating. Stacking the Supreme Court with political conservatives who don't represent our country.
And, I bet you didn't complain one moment about Hillary getting 3 million more votes than trump but still lost. That was ok with you. h'..y.p/oc/..ri...
@@mattdillon4398 Also Matt, there is no way to get more votes because someone used a ballot. America has been using ballots for 40 years. They only became a 'thing' when liar trump bashed them because he knows that Dems vote by ballot more than Republicans. He tried stopping their votes from counting.
And, trump said that he sent in the FBI to stop the counting of ballots when it looked like DeSantis might lose. trump is a cheat.
Gerrymandering happens when news outlets propagate and encourage the cause… so, please, enough with the insincere “reporting”. There a root and cause to everything. Leave it to CBS ago helping the very cause and allowing it establish a firmer ground. It doesn’t help.
Maybe if people were not running for their lives from blue cities.
dearth vader • Gerrymandering 💩 has been going on, for 2+ centuries‼️😩😎 Poorly-edumacated⁉️🤣😂🤣
Think before you post
Ignore jjj1951 Seems like a very interesting topic, care to elaborate?
A.I.@prince10202211/14;3:58ahead.{enter} " Re district gerrymander plane fair numeroreallignment necessary. Change voter districts to contain random voter data, no party I.D. input. Just yes or no voter and follow up on data collection of non voters, look for patterns, concerns and data vocally, politically, non politically, : include eflons.
Make data real time and select candidates based on voter preference in all dual partisan sentiments.