The Formula 1 Street Circuit Problem
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- J-Bone talks about Formula 1’s current obsession with adding street circuits to the Formula 1 calendar and why he’s against it. J-BONE!
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I don’t mind street circuits but there are soooo many well made permanent circuits that deserve a spot instead. I still miss you Hockenheim :(
Sepang
well hockenheim isnt on the calendar anymore because the owner of the track lacks funding for that
@@xXRunDeathXx that is what I am annoyed at! All FOM care about are their little pools of money
OK, I wanna see Rainbow Road on the F1 calendar now.
The halo would have come in handy in choco mountain
I don't really count Australia as a street circuit, it's more like a circuit that is also used as a street
I don't understand why canada is considered a street circuit, isn't it an actual track?
@@darknebulae7470yes and no I’ve been there and it’s open to the public to drive on but as a track.
Idk what it was but it was fun to drive around. Also Jeddah is a permanent street track so idk why they are called them
so its similar to circuit de la sarthe
some of its sections are on public roads
Honestly, they need to just drop Miami and Vegas from the calendar (yes, even Vegas), and maybe go to the Kymi Ring in Finland (no Finn has ever gotten a home GP, and I think it's high time to give Finnish fans a home GP).
Sad to say as a Finn but a race in Kymi Ring isn't gonna happen unless miracles happen. Massive money problems and I'm actually surprised it hasn't been completely buried yet. I think Bottas was one of the people who are actually trying to save the track organisation from going completely bankrupt
I get that F1 wants more urban weekends. Honestly, I'm fine with that.
It's the execution that's sorely lacking. Melbourne and Montréal are large cities with F1 tracks, and should be taken as a blueprint. They aren't bespoke tracks in the middle of nowhere, but they are in open enough areas where you're not constrained by 90 degree corners. Yes, the barriers are a bit tighter than at Spa, but their layouts are a solid B tier.
I can understand that in some race instances, like the Strip, F1 would want a particular urban location to matter, but that should be the exception, not the rule. There's nothing special about Miami's or Jeddah's roads that made them worthy of a blah layout.
El asunto es que los circuitos callejeros son más rentables y económicos de correr. Si no era el circuito de Madrid, de todas formas era un circuito callejero en Barranquilla, Colombia, Gran Premio del Caribe. Además, llevar la F1 a países sin presencia actual es difícil, por lo que más fácil es circuito callejero.
I wasn't thinking about it before you mentioned what tracks fans would like to see added to the F1 calendar. My immediate thought was a NASCAR track because it would be funny to me. And that led me to imagine the boys going 4 wide down the straight at Talladega and now I need to see it.
I hate the street circuit obsession. And I am really terrified what the answer at the end will mean for the future of F1, which I completely agree with. Liberty Media are white-knuckling with the dip in the D2S bubble and thus taking all the air out of the thing that they already did have.
I think we are missing out on Sepang, Magny-Cours and Kyalami. Not to mention, the Vegas and Miami GPs could have been held at any number of fantastic permanent US tracks: IMS, Laguna Seca, Sonoma, or Watkins Glen. Great tracks that are designed to create good racing.
And do you know the fastest way to get people to stop watching? Keep putting on boring races in Metro area suburban mall/convention center/stadiums.
There are plenty of good fia grade 2 tracks in Australia e.g. the bend, Sydney Motorsport park
It sucks to see so many street circuits added instead of proper purpose built circuits. However I've got to say that if the mods of the Madrid layout are correct then it could be an interesting street circuit. And as much as the Las Vegas weekend was a shitshow (which Max rightfully called out), the race was one of the better ones last year
I hate street circuits. Too often they’re a parade with the only interesting bits happening due to weather or somebody fudging into a wall. I want Hockenheimring to be reinstated.
I don’t understand the point of adding street circuits (especially in this case). Sure, we have some great street circuits, like Baku, Jeddah and Singapore, but we don’t need more. It especially doesn’t make sense in this case as there are multiple other FIA grade a tracks in Spain, such as Aragon and Jerez. Additionally, why would we need to add street circuits when you CAN LISTEN TO THE FANS, INSTEAD OF TAKING YOUR STUPID MONEY. JUST ADD SEPANG AND HOCKENHEIM BACK PLEASE. You know what, the fans should vote for the races on the f1 calendar. Send this to the FIA.
The thing to understand is that the cars themselves have gotten smaller than they have been lately, and are set to become even smaller in 2026, so they may end up being somewhat better suited for use in street circuits. Of course, to extract comparable performance they would have to adopt some form of active aerodynamics combined with active suspension, and not just DRS. All of this on the grounds obnoxious safety, but fuel economy too. The sport of Formula 1 needs its money in order to keep it going.
@@Iamwolf134Fair argument, but I’m pretty sure f1 has lots more money we know.
The good permanent tracks are far from people that want to watch races and transport links like airports. Putting the circuits in the cities brings the racing closer to the fans so more people can buy tickets and merchandise
@@NoContextVideosChannel yes, that is a great argument, but only real fans are willing to pay to get in to the circuit, and for most fans, a 2 or 3 hour drive is fine, as they are likely big fans. Also by bring the race to the fans, it creates unwanted noise, think of Vegas, as not everyone there is an f1 fan. This is the same reason that airports usually aren’t in the city, because like racetracks, they create loads of noise.
@Qwerty-wn3fl good point but also f1 don't have to share profits with the track as they own the street circuits while they exist. The cities don't charge much as it brings good economic benefits
Does Jeddah really count as a street circuit?
Tbh its so shit and tight that it just pretty much acts just like a street circuit lmao.
More like circuit from a cheap racing game.
Certainly drives like one
Circuit De Jerez! it's great
But they don t run in jerez
I thought he meant which race track you want to see F1 race in@@enriquegarciamartin9889
i don’t mind street circuits honestly, some of the more exciting races this season were on a street circuit, but i’ll also say this it’s better for fans because it provides more accessibility to the races, race tracks are in fuck all nowhere so if you live in miami or live close enough to it you might actually be able to see the race
man why cant we get good street circuits like adelaide
They need to drop Miami, keep Vegas and get Istanbul back
Rainbow road 😂
Glad someone caught it 😂
9:16 😍
Anyone else get the low key Leeroy Jenkins reference?
I liked this video because it was good but i would have giving it a like regardless because of the foto or screenshot of the Mario racetrack. Just brillaint and i am not a gamer of any sort greetings from The Netherlands
There are 3 street circuits that I can accept:
Monaco - yeah totally not suitable for modern F1 cars, and probably hasn't been suitable for at least the last 40 years, but is so much part of F1 history that to abandon it would be a travesty. These days I think of it more of a showcase weekend rather than a race.
Then there's Australia's Albert Park and Canada's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. Both of these tracks, while street circuits (partially in the case of Canada) both behave very much like permanent circuits for the most part and are suitable for F1 racing.
The rest are just simply incompatible with F1 for a large variety of reasons.
Yea I'm not one to complain about everything like most people but I agree about the street circuts
if u include austrailia then you should include canada they are both parks :)
I’m not sure how Canada got included in the list of toxic street circuits. I’m pretty sure it’s been a purpose-built track since its opening in 1978!
Excluding Canada, this street circuit shit is getting out of control.
i love both albert park n canada @@jtaylor8059
Canada is a permanent installation, and is still used as a racing facility and recreational running and cycling facility outside of the F1 weekend
This is so bad. If you pick world renowned city you better find iconic avenue not a parking site-look alike place.
Spanish are also mad of the change to Madrid
I guess if F1 wants to 2010s NASCAR it, they can go right ahead.
Liberty Media want a "show", they care zero toward racing. Expect many more mickey mouse moves for better profit margins.
thing is, F1 used to be about racing cars, but with the turbo and hybrid era the focus changed to how to make F1 cars useful for street-comercial cars development. And that's just sh1t because there are many categories about that. I just don't want to star watching indy.
There are so many good permanent race tracks out there (shoutout hockenheim) that it just seems like a waste to spend so much money to create shitty US street tracks. I know they are quite bias to US atm but still. This is just offensive to the fans at this point
Clean up the streets!
go OONJ bOONe
YEET
only street circuit that deserve a place in the calendar is baku
I don’t care what it is at this point.. just give me a race. Haha
3:35 what happened to max a Singapore idk what that stat is from
Completely agree. Too many street circuits now. I understand the reasoning, they going for 'destinations', so of course need to show landmarks which you won't get at a dedicated race track.
I personally like street circuits. I love seeing cars go full speed near walls. I'm not saying that F1 should became a street circuit series but I don't find anything bad in including street circuits. The fact that there are 6 street circuits in the calendar doesn't bother me.
Right. It's a good change up. It kinda sucks that passing is so limited simply bc of the lack of space, but they could always make the cars a more realistic size instead of the monsters they are now.
i have only two issues with street circuits, its lack of chances to overtake in most of the corners and places, and the change on peoples life at the city, like in las vegas people were tearing off the gray screens in the bridges over the strip, that were put there due to the grand prix.
I’m here with you. I’m honestly tired of hearing people whine about the sport in this way. It’s seems all anyone does is whine about the sport
zandvoort is not a street circuit introduced in 2021 and jeddah is not really a street ciruict
No more street circuits. Only real tracks should be allowed
A very small nitpick, but at 1:50 you says 36.3636363 instead of just saying 36, it saves like 2 seconds but idk, you may want some feedback
we need 4th American Grand Prix in Laguna Seca!
Sure, whom is going to pay for all the upgrades to host a F1 event?
@@ronbelanger4113 your mom