U do know that u can hide files and layers in procreate forthe timelapse? those process videos mean nothing lul and no, those pics u have shown at 14:30 are these typical midjourney shite. I can understand if a non artist with untrained eye sees it and thinks its real but hearing from you that u thought once these were real drawings is quite disapointing
"Community"? what are you even talking about? A "community" is a myth. Especially something like "the art community", there is no "community", nobody knows anyone. You are just loosely associating all artists as if we were somehow all friends. Sorry dude. The idea of any "community" is a lie. It's all in your imagination.
It's neat how this video starts off saying "the art community is so toxic because people are attacking artists for creating in ways they don't like"....and then immediately starts attacking artists who use AI in their work lol. Yea, the art community is extremely toxic. Just most of the toxic people think they are being "the good kind of hater though". lol
The worst part about these fake "artists" is the fact that social media addicts are calling everything surreal/abstract "AI" when it very clearly is not AI-generated. Expert photographers have been the biggest target of these horrible "AI" comments, and it's gotten to the point where photographers are now having to record their process in order to prove they took the photo. Ironic how photographers have always been mocked for not being "real" artists, yet now they're the ones getting harassed for "AI photos" that are actually real photos lol. Media literacy has really gone downhill if we're attacking real artists for being even mildly better than Calarts students.
"You should change your style. Looks too much like A.I." Does it, now? Guess that means people don't need me, and I don't care. I was never the type of person to look for attention, as if that was anywhere close to the most important thing about self-expression. And if someone trained an algorithm on my stuff, it's no surprise why it looks similar. But hey, I would never trade away the experience of learning things and making connections between ideas. Nothing can touch that. Originality is a human concept... It's not a matter of "what makes the best image" or whether "some people have the same fingerprints" - it's all about the personality, the drive and the intent behind every mark Vs. how much something depends on the work of someone else to exist (which algorithms have been trained upon the works of millions of people)... It's not simply about how much something is "different" or "similar". If someone doesn't know what "marks" these algorithms do and just decide whether they are "good enough" only after they are applied and move on, then there is no human intent in those "generative marks" regardless of whether they choose to save them in a folder packed with other possible "marks" or whatever experience someone has. Each "mark" an accelerated algorithm does is influenced by processes that change them depending on circumstances and what they are working with-processes that no human can do, control or hide entirely. If people want to argue that they just need to be "creative", as in focusing on ideas over their execution, that is focusing on results, in which case they are skipping a process or parts of it (if they are sometimes using digital programs to edit things), and therefore are leaving interpretation up to anyone else as to what is made by humans. Such a concept based on one's drive and intent is meaningless to anyone who is not willing to put themselves in the practice of a craft while the people who do find it meaningful arguably become much more creative than the ones who don't. As long as algorithms are not truly intelligent, despite almost everyone labelling them as such, they can't outperform humans in what tasks they already do because they don't have any concept of humanity or the will to understand/feel it. They can still get close on a very superficial level if those filthy rich tech corporations pour enough resources in them to convince people that they can think for them, but I believe there is a constant limit to what they can do without being truly human. Say that they do develop sentience... Would that change anything about what people are? The problem is not the technology, it's the way people SEE it. When a CEO tells someone that they're a "specist" for wanting to make sure humans are O.K. in a future with accelerated compute or when someone says that "by obstructing the algorithm's RIGHT to 'copy' something, that is obstructing other people's rights"... people like this are willing to give rights to machines because they think that more intelligence = more truth, and that anyone who is less "intelligent" by their definition deserves to be taken advantage of. This is the foundation of the whole "A.I." movement: they decide that they don't need anyone's consent. They just think "might makes right". Meanwhile, people in politics and the justice department are actually considering having algorithms operate in those fields... one of them, I contacted, and they told me that "A.I. is coming whether I like it or not", and that makes me wonder what they are already doing about it. Whatever happens, what are people doing about it? That's what I care about the most over whether something is inevitable or not. I just want to know if people are doing things that actually matter to them over pursuing ideas that are only meant to make them feel somewhat comfortable about everything.
It's kind of incredible how fast people, especially ignorant ones who never did anything like what they're attacking, forget what humans can do. It's the exact same reason so many people believe everything ancient was done by aliens. They just can't seem to wrap their heads around how capable a species we are. And the strangest thing is, like, so many of them knew it yesterday. But they learn about any kind of new technology or a concept new to them and they just forget they knew things like that artists can do amazing things and not every woman is secretly trans. People really are getting dumber at an incredible rate
Oh, they do it with painting as well, because any painting usually doesn't have the detail of a photograph and can, therefore, be done via AI, apparently. Right-O. I usually do have images from the middle of the process just due to making decisions about that point, but even so, it doesn't concern me if somebody actually thinks a canvas was--or could be--generated by AI.
What brings a person to believe and say this? Its crazy how two people can interpret “common sense” in two entirely different ways. Exaggerated wordplay such as that, “AI racist,” is extreme as heck considering the context of its upbringing.
@@hollowedboi5937Given where we are in society, how is this surprising?? The standard of identity is basically “whatever I and those who agree with me say it is”. It’s been downhill for a while now.
@@Window4503you are falling for it then instead of fighting against it bro, you can't let these greedy massive industries control art exposure OR IN GENERAL. It's better that somebody talks about it but definitely not enough, change must happen.
@@sneekysnek7517 So AI artists popularize new style, and such a cool style that other artists try to copy his style, just to be shamed for using AI. And this is all right after u talk about how toxic art community towards other artists and how it is bad. XD
I hate how any time I want to search for a reference photo, I'm immediately hit with ai art. Just a few days ago, I and a friend were searching through merch from shows we like, and it was just filled with ai generated images
@@elsinaattheworkshop I 100% agree, I feel like there is some actual use to ai, but people are using it for the wrong reasons, for scamming, which is sad 😔
This is truly disheartening. As someone who's still early on their art journey, I sometimes catch myself thinking 'what's the point?' when I see the art community like this. I'm not gonna give up this time, but it still bums me out.
Fellow art learner here,don't give up,what differs your human art from AI is that it has a soul and a taste for creativity,plus ai art looks extremely detailed making it obvious to catch.
Same here, it can be concerning and distressing. But though many people are getting impatient and lazy and want easy gratification, I'm not giving up because nobody can force me to use AI. If people want to fully depend on a computer to make stuff for them, that's their business, and usually on them for not even making effort. I'd much rather struggle and laugh at myself drawing incorrect anatomy as I learn, then let a machine create an odd-looking overly realistic image for me. Because art isn't just about pretty images and getting to the result as fast as possible, but a process. Both a process of creating, and finding joy and passion, in what the human mind and hand can do. Which more and more people seem to be failing to understand.
The splatoon 3 discord server has an art section and they’re really friendly there, I don’t think I’ve seen a single toxic comment. They’re pretty good at spotting AI, too.
Lowkey, I'm honing my skills for a future hopefully-less-shit community. But also my ultimate dream is to have a community around my creations, not just share my creations to another community.
Art in itself is fucking hard. Its so much self discipline learning so many fundamentals and trying to find yourself in it while keeping motivation. This whole situation that’s been happening over these past few years has made things even more difficult. Because of this, for you to keep on moving is incredible. Because its brave to continue moving forward despite not knowing what comes next. And despite adversity. If art is what you want to do then go for it. I find what I keep hearing is continue to make the art you want to make. Don’t create for the masses, create for yourself and the kind of people you want to make this for: what are they into and why? How can I show my process and art in a way that gives them value? (Entertain, educate, inspire)
It really is a shame how the sharp decline in media literacy is directly affecting the rate at which AI-generated images are being posted... which causes REAL ARTISTS to get attacked for no reason at all.
AI art is like putting a prepackaged microwave meal in the microwave, putting in 3 minutes, then comparing yourself to Gordon Ramsay. Someone made the art that the AI used to train, but it wasn't you, microwave person.
Right? It's embarrassing, but art college truly is a scam, I suppose. It's just sad that now more people take shortcuts like selling ai art and then gain some false ego think their the shit when they're just frauds.
@@anthos332 I have a strong feeling that AI art and this whole entire AI movement is going to lose steam and fizzle out in the future. because people will get fed up with it and refuse to give into it anymore and the people promoting ai for powers sake won't get their power and will back down. There are enough people who will form artistic movements that will actually get enough people behind them and there will be a shift in culture where art universities will opt out of using AI and will return to traditional methods when they find that they lose numbers.
Disappointing indeed. A similar thing happened in architecture schools. Architecture schools once taught aspiring architects how to build stunningly beautiful traditional architecture from the average or mundane to the glorious and ornate neo-classical or beaux arts. But nowadays their are probably less than ten major universities worldwide that teach architects how to build traditional buildings. There is the university of notre dame in paris which is the only college that I could find in Europe that teaches beaux arts architecture and the university of miami which teach traditional architecture as well. Many other colleges do "study the art hisgtory of traditional architecture, but they do not offer legitimate courses in it. There is even a stigma in the architecture community against architects wanting to design traditional architecture. There is an active movement trying to make traditional architecture disappear. The same is probably happening in all other areas of art as well. The arts as a whole are in serious danger.
because a lot of those progress shots are just traced AI pictures were they edit the video to remove the parts where the reference is visible. The last artist mentioned in the video is definitely doing that, those pictures are him redrawing AI pictures
@@j.2512 i get it why people are distrustful. I've seen fakers too. My comment points at artist who had proof of not using ai, and still calling them using ai. It had happened at least once to a commentator artist on youtube (mint turquoise hair). I absolutely do not mind people calling out ai - what i do mind is artist being under the same fire _bc_ someone falsely accused them. Ran their art through an ai art checker and now think they're better. I get what you're trying to tell me. I've seen those fakes too. Heard their arguments, etc. Like I said: What I'm trying to tell is not every artist should be accused of using ai, when they clearly don't. The tedious discussion reminds me when peoole said "you can't live from digital art, bc it's not real".
To me, AI art is someone ordering food and saying that they cooked it. I mean, yeah, you got food, but you didn't cook it and it doesn't make you a chef.
Perfect analogy. A.I. art is also someone buying some clothes and claiming that they made every single clothe from scratch when you know that such a claim is complete bull crap.
I think a better example would be like a subway and telling them what yiu want on yiur sandwich. When it comes to regular reastyrounts, yiu are just asking them one thing and they just prepare according to how the reasturount does it. You can't tell them the ingredients or anything. But with subway, telling them what stuff to put in in a particular order and if yiu want it toasted is kinda similar to how people would write a prompt on what they specificaly want in the image and how it needs to be done. The prompt is the ingredients in a way. But even though you did tell tell that person what you want in the sandwich and how it needs to be done, you still didn't make it on your own. You told someone else to do that stuff for you. Yes, you in some way created the sandwich, but you didn't MAKE it or CREATE it with effort as you are not the one constructing it and putting work into it. Thats how I see AI. Someone going to subway, telling someone what they want on the sandwich and how it needs to be done, and then claiming that you made it because it's instructed by you.
I’m already on the verge of giving up art, because my mental health will never allow me to be strong enough to assert myself in professional artistic settings, but knowing that AI generations are becoming harder and harder to recognizes… I don’t even wanna do this anymore. In all my years battling depression, I lost passion in anything, and the very few amount of art I was able to create and be proud of ? It is now permanently in Meta’s AI. All my life used to be defined by creating, anything at anytime. But I lost it because of depression and PTSD. I just want to be able to be inspired and make art again, I want to finally be done with dissociation and get my imagination back. But in this current world, what’s even the point ? I don’t even recognize the art community I used to love anymore. Either you stay alone with your pieces, or you fight for your life just to want to share with someone
Then either create your own unique style or just learn AI art in a non predatory and lame way. I don't know why people get so twisty over this. Joy for "art" should be creating cool images that can say something. The idea that AI can't achieve that is just a philosophical myth being pushed by real artists. These people are already using AI to have perfect line art, to color correct, to make things 100x easier than analog painting. And they never had an issue when it put great manual artists like Drew Struzan out of business in the 90s. If you are actually inspired by "art", AI means nothing to you. People that hate AI are mostly of that train of thought because it affects their paycheck.
@@bladechild2449 first of all, developing your own unique style isn't something you can do that easily, it takes years of hard work. But you don't sound like someone who would know about it. As for AI generated images, let me paint you an image (haha I know). Imagine you have a really strong passion, to which you dedicate hours of work everyday, that makes you so happy and help you connect with people. And then one day a company barges in your environment, take all your shits and decide to us them however they want. That's what's happening with AI. Millions of pieces of art are used to train AI against the artists consent. For some people, it's their income. For others, it's a life long passion. You got some nerves to write such a thing under a comment where I'm literally expressing how my lifelong passion is being ripped away from me because companies only cares about technology and money. You should genuinely open yourself a bit more to what is happening in the artist communities online lately. AI is literally being used to scam professional artists more and more, even trying to start competitions between people and making beginners and older people feel discouraged about their skills ! AI is used to steal artists unique artstyle and then profiting out of it. It happened to our beloved Quinni, may her soul rest in peace, but also to other less known artists like Caitlin Koi shown here. AI could be used to create such amazing technologies that could help humanity, but no, instead it's being used to steal people's work and profit out of it. Please, before commenting such ignorant stuffs, learn a little bit more about what it is to be an artist in the current AI situation. There are good reasons why entire groups of artists are currently filing lawsuits against corporations who broke some basic consent and copyright rules for the sake of technology. AI isn't art and will never be, art is a piece of work created by a human. All AI do is massively stealing this work to make profit out of it. Kinda funny that you throw a spike against artists who are worried for their paycheck when most of AI steals art to make money out of it, sometimes straight stealing an artist unique style. Hell, even 2 years worth of my infography homeworks have been fed to an AI against my consent, because Adobe were the only programs we were allowed to us ! Again, please extend your knowledge in the artist community to realize the magnitude of the crisis. I recommend you to check out more videos on @MohammedAgbadi channel, he talks about the latest things that happened in artists communities online, including the latest things AI did to them. Please, once again, extend your range of knowledge and realize that people's years of hard work are literally being stolen from them in the name of technology. We never agreed to this, and we're called names for sharing our art online in the first place (most platforms made the collection of art an immediate yes, and made the whole process of opting out of this problem barely know and complicated. I recommend you to check Mohammed's video on DeviantArt, and how the platform is forcing artists who have been there for more than 12 years to opt out DRAWING BY DRAWING. Not only it is an insane thing for artists who have literally hundreds of posts there, but also what about the ones who are dead ? And the onr who forever lost their account ? Why is the default setting set on consenting ? That's not how consent work at all)
@@bladechild2449 Also, I saw your other comment on this video. So if even after all I've written you still think that new technologies should go before people's consent, I'm out of the conversation. I'm tired of having to prove to people why I should have the right to pursue my passion without constantly fearing that it's gonna be stolen from me. I want to make a career out of art, especially in video games, that was my dream for years. But I can't achieve this dream with only a sketchbook and a pencil, I need to get myself out there to find opportunities. And that includes exposing myself to greedy corporations who only see myself as a new money opportunity
The art community on social media unfortunately has always been toxic . But now its 100% worse nobody wants to help out or support new artists. And everything is a popularity contest only for people with big followings
Another bad side of ai is that real artists like myself are being called fake, or in my case literally being harassed in dms and having comments on my posts, acusing me of being an ai artist. It's infuriating that we are are getting the hate that should go to these ai people.
I once saw an obviously AI generated image on Pinterest (the foot was literally backwards lol) and while everyone was calling them out there was someone saying “oh but but maybe that’s just their art style or something they do instead of a signature” 🥺 Like I’m sorry WHAT‽ It’s so annoying this whole situation. Either I find people attacking the wrong people, defending the ones using AI, or trying to literally give everyone the “benefit of the doubt” no matter how obvious it is that it is AI!
I really feel bad for talented artists like you, I wanna get better at art but it’s discouraging to know that the better your art is the more likely it will be stolen by art stealers or AI scrapers.
@@Man-ej6uvsame lol, like my art style is some kind of "animation art style" that i came up with to excuse my poor rendering skills, basically its just very simple with its shading and stuff. if someone honestly would think that i can find an ai art-generating website that's free, requires no downloads, and can also replicate my art style all at once, then they're an idiot LOL
I’m so sick of this AI thing for making “art”. I just found it horrible. AI is supposed to help in some way, not to screw us up. Edit: Ok I wrote this really fast and I just want to clear this up. I know it’s actually humans who use AI in a wrong way, it’s not entirely AI’s fault. I just feel like it was never a good idea to make an AI capable of making art, because AI itself steals art from other artists in social media. I found it truly exhausting trying to even do some tricks in your own art just to hope AI doesn't steal it. By “screw us up” I meant that AI steals from our art, our hard work. That’s all. In a fairy tail, we all use it just for good and not with bad intentions. If you use it in a good way, I'm happy for you. If u don’t, well, don’t cry if artists notice and blame u of AI using. And with that, thank u so much. Keep learning, keep practicing and keep making art
Unfortunately, the tech industry judges things as being worthy of investment based purely on what industries they can "disrupt". They get a lot of media buzz for free for messing things up, like taxis, hotels, real estate ect. Right now this is a desperate run to get more funding as the money runs out
Right?? I only ever use ai to get ideas on what to draw for backgrounds, like I ask "generate a forest at night painted in cool watercolors," and it gives me an assortment of different layouts, different types of forests, cloud formations, etc. this gives me an idea on what fits the image in my minds eye the best, and i then draw using the elements from those generations in my own piece made with my own hands. I would never generate an image and post it claiming it's my own art.
I agree that AI was supposed to help in some way but as you know, people are lazy (not everyone obviously) and they use AI as a shortcut way to 'make something (not just art)' and then claim that they could do it
7:07 nope this was in response to another user who responded to a pic she posted captioned: sold her soul to be popular. They said “-she says about herself” which got that response. It likely struck a nerve but wasn’t @ Meg directly
one of my friends said "calling yourself an artist for using AI is the same thing as calling yourself a chef for reheating food in the microwave" and i think that was very well said.
@@RobertScholten they still didn't make the food themselves. they are reheating someone else's food. they did not make anything, they just pushed some buttons. the same as what ai bros do.
@@RobertScholten The problem is that you seem to think art is only about pretty pictures, therefore every image that looks decent no matter where it came from is art. That's not how it works. Sure you can probably make money selling AI images just like you can have a restaurant feeding people microwaved food, but that way you aren't really doing anything that your customers can't just do themselves, there's no real value and no meaning.
@@RobertScholten Art is much more about the process, learning and skills of the artists which give value to the art pieces themselves, than the finished product. Even if it’s better it’s soulless money-making shit, there’s no evolving in there
@@RobertScholten art made by humans can evolve regardless of other humans. Art made by ai cannot evolve without ANY human input. not the same, at ALL. one is guaranteed to hit a brick wall without the help of its creators, and the other gives us new valid perspectives just by LOOKING at it.
Its getting bad, when i google anime pictures/something related to anime/art theres ALWAYS that ai art picture SOMEWHERE. I don't know if its my search results that are cursed 😔
When I just Google regular photos of animals, instead of getting regular pics, and links to wildlife information, I get tons and tons of people selling ai animal art and posters 💀
Google is the worst for looking for non-AI art. Bing is better, but there's still a lot of AI. You can also use a search term to exclude certain known AI generating websites. I think it's adding a minus symbol in front of the word. That works on all major search engines
The last time I felt like the art community was in its best era was literally 2000-2009 deviantART I may be biased because I felt the most community when I was there. It makes it hard to look where we are now and go, "wow, deviantart was pretty okay back then actually."
I stopped using DA regularly about 5 years ago maybe more. At some point, probably 2 years ago, I liked a bunch of gen AI not knowing it was AI (I don't keep up with internet stuff). So, a few months ago I was looking at my DA likes to find some art inspiration since pinterest was bogging me down with all the AI on there. But when I saw the harsh shift of genuine art to AI I just felt extremely sad. All except the most recent likes was genuine art, hundreds of images of genuine work and then suddenly not. I realized I can no longer just enjoy art, how even subconsciously now I comb through every piece I see and look for the signs of AI. It's exhausting, and I yearn for the days where I could just enjoy art because it was only art, none of it was this AI bull.
@@Iishoyeah, im having a hard time with Pinterest too. I ontem search images for my dnd campaign, and now ALL i fundo on Pinterest is IA crap. Dont have much time to research so... Now i have lots of NPCs made by IA and It makes Very desapointed.
Right, and then there are these people who use AI getting all that praises and stuff, actual artists have been working hard and then they're the ones being called fake 💀
Not to mention Petra's art sold for up to 2 eth EACH after this whole situation happened. She sold a lot of pieces between .5 eth to 2 eth a pop. Insane!!!!
why does all this kinda remind me of how people on amino would have like. rules in the communities where youd have to show the layers or put your hand in front of the drawing with ur username it was for entirely different reasons but im still getting deja vu lol they didnt trust ANYONE on that platform (and for good reason tbh)
Recuerdo eso, el mostrar el proceso de su arte para evitar robos, genuinamente me parece una buena idea para demostrar que alguien hizo algo y las reglas eran duras pero justas
Fr, but for communities where they're selling or trading that art, it's especially beneficial. Since it helps prevent scammers trying to get people's money from stolen art Annoying, but I can definitely see why they needed those rules
@@mintchako8079 oh you're good man! Didn't mean to sound accusatory or nothin xD Though tbf, I have seen a few people complain about the proof rules, so they're definitely out there lol
I've been on an artistic hiatus for a little over a year now and I'm slowly getting back into drawing. One thing that I find atrociously hard to draw is hair but you know what? I LOVE drawing hair and I enjoy spending hours on end looking at photos and other works to learn and understand how to draw good looking hair! I've been drawing almost my whole life and while I learn at a slow pace I just enjoy the process. As you said, there can be many "failed" attempts before that good one, and there is no greater joy than looking at a finished piece and say "I did that!!", realizing all your hard work and dedication finally payed off! To all young/new artists out there, don't give up and keep on learning! Don't let AI take the joy of creation and imagination away from you!
Yup fast is not better it’s like the microwave mentality Rather learn the skill the satisfaction is unlike any other it’s like any other art medium sculpture etc don’t care for how A.I. looks too overly not random as a hand will produce An acrylic artist Vs an A.I artist no comparison the arcylic piece will in most instances fetch more on the market Don’t care what anyone says Sure learning can be frustrating but in the end, there’s nothing like the feeling of beating that anxiety and actually achieving, what you set out to do by hand
Something in me feels like if an artist can be truly replaced by a machine then they weren’t making anything worth their effort in the first place 🤷🏿♂️
Anyone else just stopped posting their art on the internet entirely? Sorry I don't want to be one day ""featured"" on civitai. Absolutely wild times we live in where blatant theft is happening and nobody cares.
I’m just posting one a week with glaze, though I don’t really know why I post. It’d be amazing to have a shop, but it seems only my friends see my posts and not much else. Making them as portfolio pieces would be cool but sharing is odd to me now. Like who am I sharing this to and why? Do I need their likes and admiration? What does that mean to me? Is this more an addictive hit then a legitimate career choice, or am I actually enjoying this or not?
I stopped posting my art ever since ai art exploded in popularity. I don’t want to feed the machine. It’s hurtful though because I spent my entire life loving art, ever since I could hold a crayon, and dedicated countless hours to learning how to draw (and I’d call my art style amateur at best). Now, when AI can spit something out that is better than anything I’ve ever made in my life, I struggle to feel inspired at all. I wish I didn’t feel completely robbed of my creativity but that is just how I feel. Now, if I’m to be creative, I’ll do it for myself and not for the random likes on the internet.
ai slop users also flodded the search as well. Can't look up stuff like angels without some ai gen slop showing up. Since it's so easy to make, I won't be surprised if there are more ai gen posted than actual art posted on the internet.
And it will only fill up every feed even faster- since it only requires them a click of a button to start generating 4 pieces at once and for those to possibly get into someone's feed
AI can produce 1000x faster than human. We need brainstorming, concepting, revision, sketching etc etc and Ai can done it all of that under 30 seconds. Really scary.
If anyone's using Google, using -"" will exclude whatever's in the quotation mark. -"ai", -"stablediffusion", and -"midjourney" should block a few ai images. For Pinterest, go to your settings in your profile, and select tune your home page. Uncheck the images you don't want Pinterest to recommend you. Saving a few human illustrations to your pin should also help.
What bothers me most about Petra's case is that I had read that she apparently went to art school to only use AI. Not to mention that when they tell her that she uses AI and she shouldn't do that, she gets arrogant with her answers as if she were untouchable 😑 And those same "artists" who use AI, pretend to be people who strive to "create art", while dude, you did nothing.
@@MohammedAgbadi I'm not really sure but I did see in other videos and on a website that Petra had, which also seemed to be written by AI, in which she said that she did go to art school. Literally it was just a waste of money to end up using AI for your "art"
It's only been two years since it went public so she is doing what the typical ai user does, she is lying about what she is capable of. I doubt there is a ai school.
Totally agree with you Mohammed, ai is destroying human creativity. Anyone using ai and claiming that they're an artist is a fool and definitely not a real artist.
Its not destroying human creativity; The people who call themselves AI artists dont have what it takes to set themselves to learning art, and those who do have what it takes will make art regardless, because its like a compulsion. What is being lost are jobs and the general public’s ability to appreciate what we artists are making with our own hands.
@@0uttaS1TE Yet is the key word, I'm going to be horrified the day they can. Also horrified for the day they give AI actual eyes and have them learn by seeing. Then it can understand 3D objects, and look at images like we do.
I’ve seen it with Procreate where they trace over the image but they can hide layers in the replay. So the give away is their weird ass layout and construction of characters.
same, been browsing for any art forms ai can't copy, plan to use techniques that make my work more noticeable and obviously human too. someone suggested an insignia, as ai can't copy that yet apparently, and someone else suggested growing your perspective of the world so that you can create genuinely unique things would be a better idea. I still plan on being an artist, but damn, are ai making that dream annoying.
I mix traditional and digital,I use ink traditional and color digital, that way I save time. And yes,traditional art gained more power now (can't complain)
@@nigellien7511 This is what all artists are doing, actually... they're not worrying about what AI or other artists are up to. People raising alarm bells about stable diffusion are angry because compared to their uninspired generic looking work, it's hard to spot a difference. But the way to fix that problem is *also* to get better at your art! This is what we did when photoshop came out. And copying machines. And cameras. It's all a cycle. There's something in it for every artist.
A hill I will die on: AI images is not, and cannot be considered art. I'm no artist, and if I want something made I'll commission an artist who knows what they're doing. Not some AI that's non-consentually fed other people's work to copy.
This aint the art community, this is the internet community. Get out into your local galleries, local museums, and local libraries and see some real art. Join a sketch group and draw and work with other artists IN PERSON. We need to move away from social media art critiques because it is having a clear consequence on a greater art community, forcing and focusing younger (typically more cutting edge, radically people) inside and away from each other, bending to an algorithm of hate and fast attention instead of having genuine conversations
I told EVERYONE! The second I saw the first mushy midjourney image, I said "this will fuck up us all". And EVERYBODY I know said "calm down it's just a tool!". AI will learn to fix the mistakes and make "art" indistinguishable from real artists. It has started to hide hands now, because it couldn't figure them out. If you see an AI image, check out the hands, it's wild that it learned to hide them. 10 years from now it will replace many artists in the concept art industry. It's just too good and too fast for companies to not use it. I hope EU sanctions the use of AI, so it won't take away peoples jobs, but I doubt it. It feel so vindicated but also so sad that I was right...
already happening, i know studios firing most of their artists and just having some guy edit AI images. ITs really bad for pre-production work like concept art because it all stays in-house, most of that art will not be shown to public so no one cares if its using AI.
Ugh it’s so frustrating. I’ve been getting the AI accusations lately too. I’ve been studying portraits HARD for the past 3 years when I decided to take art more seriously. It started with people on Reddit claiming I did paint overs. I didn’t. Then another portrait was “wow crazy how so many people us AI of these all over Instagram.” That was when AI art first started so I genuinely couldn’t tell if they were being passive aggressive. Now I get it ALL THE TIME when I post on Reddit. To the point that when people ask to see a speedpaint; I assume they’re just trying to “prove” it’s AI. And if they have good intentions, then I can’t tell anymore. I’ve tried changing my rendering style to a more sketching unblended process but it hasn’t quelled the accusations much. Nvm that all of my work is uploaded to Cara which is pretty solid at detecting AI generated images.
You could try using an insignia to work into all of your art. Like not a signature, but a symbol that’s consistently part of the artwork. AI can’t do that and it would take effort for you to at the very least keep adding it even if you did use AI. All the better if you can make a composition with the symbol or a character based on it or something. Do things that AI can’t do. And what it can’t do is have consistent details across outputs.
My biggest issue with the art community is the whole "I don't like the subject matter in your art it makes me uncomfy so instead of blocking you I'm going to harass you until you stop making art that I personally don't like or you deactivate" i.e Twitter and IG This is why I just stay on Newgrounds
Perfect tie-in to whataboutism and main character syndrome. People claim to be open-minded and nonjudgmental while demanding everyone bow to their ideas
Artists? Bro, this is on everyone, programmers will soon get the same treatment and everyone else will too. However, I doubt AI economy is sustainable, ours already aren't. We will peak and then go hard down. Rip any idea of a good life anyone had or entertained.
I don’t think there should be any complaints against people who use AI in their work if they say: “Yes, I use AI.” It's really ugly when a person tries to hide it.
So real. As much hate as it may get me (and I understand why) I have to say, I use AI. Honestly... it totally motivated me to get back into drawing. My main pal who I got into AI... he's way more into drawing than ever before... And I showed my uncle, and he went and bought himself a drawing tablet. (the dude has never been into drawing in his whole life) My mom got into AI (art, writing)... my parents renter uses AI (art, writing)... it's just honestly getting absurd. Many people are feeling a sense of voice and empowerment... as crazy as that seems. Funny enough, I also don't like most easily identifiable AI art I see. I feel a sense that someone is attempting to waste my time. I am not blind or numb to the cringe.
as a 30 year old artist who practises on and off over the last 10-ish years, this year has been one of the most difficult to make art, not just as a result of studying programming and doing my full time job but also because of gen ai. Its so hard to find joy and love for art online any more so im just trying to focus on my local community and my own private art practise
This war is already lost, it is very painful to say, but the ai has already been trained, on every style, it’s awful. I was in the online art community for a little while and it made me never want to come back again, there’s no fixing it. The only thing I can say is to move to the tangible world, it will eventually die too (3d printing and etc) but at least there’s some instrinsic value to whatever piece you create, just like we can have Picasso’s and Van Gogh’s prints, but the real piece is still the valuable one, because their hands held the brushes that painted those. It is the only solution I find to this problem. Unless you can live and work in the online environment, then, good luck and a hug to you 😢❤
There is no art community. Most actual artists have their own dedicated communities who they have cultivated and AI has 0 influence over that. The "art community" is just the losers on social media constantly looking for drama and someone to harass. They're just easy to milk for views. It's why RUclips artists even bother with this drama.
@@PossibleBatThe toxicity of the online Art community directly led to the rapid rise in AI art, via Streisand Effect. I personally point to the r34 community being petty and toxic enough to create an audience of lewd degenerates. AI art does what the r34 community does but better, and they are seething and coping at their cash cow being slain.
I understand people not wanting to use their real voice in their Tiktok videos, but that AI Voice in the video at 10:45 is so annoying I can hardly focus on what it's saying. Sorry, that's a little off topic, but I was getting frustrated trying to listen to it, haha. Great video! This whole AI art situation is such a mess.
Completely agree, and THANK YOU because I’ve always felt this since its been a thing. It’s nice to be in a place where you can agree I guess this is what an online art community really is. People send or show memes and I hear that and I gotta stop em and say, “dude no stop I don’t wanna hear that.” Or just tell them continually, “ew that voice is so gross I’m sorry I don’t wanna hear that no thanks.”
Omg I've disliked that ai voice for a while now😭😭 I think its overused and just it hurts my brain with its raspyness Tiktok has other ai voices that sound good, they definitely could've used those instead but its whatever 🤷♀️
The only reason these “redesign” accounts are popular is because they’re based on existing popular IPs. It’s literally the only reason. Without that, they would fail immediately, as it would require real talent and creativity from their authors.
As someone who just reignited her love of drawing, and is now even kinda good at it, I want to share my work online. But instead of having my old worries of posting something “not good enough”, it’s now replaced (mostly) with the fear of people thinking/commenting that all the progress and work I’m so proud of is just AI. I CAN FINALLY DRAW HANDS BUT THE DAM MACHINES CAN DO THAT SORTA WELL NOW TOO WHERE IS THE JUSTICE😭
Show it. Glaze/Nightshade it first, maybe put one of those tags on saying “not made with AI,” but if you wanna show your work and it ain’t taking advantage or plagiarizing others, then do it. Show your awesome work. You can quit whenever you want. It doesn’t have control over you. And you can do as you please. I say show that love and passion if its there.
Bro. Who cares, everything changes. AI is just a sign of how shit our time is. Don't forget our current society isn't sustainable at all. Most things are based on lies too, it's all fucked. Anyone who is honest and has a clear vision will see what I mean Do what you want to do, there's no merit in anything
What I find really sad about this whole ai situation is when I see some cool art my instincts immediately tell to look for proof if it was made by ai or a real person. I miss the days when I saw an art piece and could admire the artist without having to play the judge first...
For now it's at least obvious in most cases as many AI bros aren't artists that see what's wrong with the output. But it's definitely a problem in the long term, I think the only solution will be tightly controlled communities that don't allow AI art.
Some people even say "You can just cut piece by piece the AI image and make it layered". That could make sense if the layer was a piece of rendered image, not a literal layer like line, base color, shading, highlight, etc..
after watching this, that art was actually gorgeous which is such a shame. imagine how the ai “artists” will become in the future if they are already having this amazing quality now. its so sick. people should learn how to draw instead of js making an ai do it. learn for yourself or dont learn at all
Yup. I was struggling a lot with drawing manga-style heads, and realized part of my problem was being terrible at drawing circles. So, I got a cheap little sketch pad and started practicing circles daily. I'm up to 19 days so far and can already do near-perfect circles in less than 15 seconds. And I only practiced around 3-5 minutes a day. You really can get massive improvement over time with small consistent steps of practice.
@@eikonokitsune it really sucks that it has to be that way. i cant believe im even saying this like “maybe tracing wasnt so bad” nowadays. art is a skill theres no easy way of going about it. i wish people grow up and learn themselves. if they really want to be an artist you have to work for it
@@temuminmin Yeah, i agree but unfortunately nowadays people are looking forward to go with the most easy and lazy route to go instead of work hard to master it. 😔💨
9:30 As someone whose art was stolen in highschool, I feel for those trying to prove themselves. My teacher did not believe me and my other classmates did not "snitch" on who did it (it wasn't just one person from what I could tell), I have trust issues from then since. I have anxiety when sharing any art to the public.
its horrible how some real artists are so underrated and they barely get visibility and then ai artists are everywhere. why is everything the opposite as it should be
@@RubiAkito i don't know if that's something to be proud, really. As they don't really created it. Always the easy route and fast "succes" yeah? Meanwhile a lot a young artists struggle to improve their work and don't find their first creations good enough...
@@RubiAkito espacially since its something nearly anyone can do, i don't think ai art is worth of revognition. Personally i don't dislike the existence of AI, as a tool and only that.
@@Window4503 It's a nice idea but honestly all of this AI shit has just sucked the fun out, it's demoralizing. Sharing art online is for much braver people than me lmao
@@PongoFreake no fears. it's okay. as long as you continue making art, the skills will stick with you and humans will hopefully retain these very important skills even into the future. you don't need to be famous to keep a piece of humanity alive.
6:57 "Art is art, this is a weird post to make" My brother in christ, this is not art. What makes a drawing into art is the thought and emotion it conveys and evokes. An algorithm has no such thing to show. That makes it only an algorithmic approximation of other real art.
You add the thought and emotion into the input prompt 😉 For real tho, all art is an approximation of some existing idea. Mutations going all the way back to cave paintings. I don’t think "artists" appreciate how derivative they truly are. Your lived experience is no different than an AI’s model dataset. If you grew up in a cave you could never make the Mona Lisa
If anyone's using Google, using -"" will exclude whatever's in the quotation mark. -"ai", -"stablediffusion", and -"midjourney" should block a few ai images. For Pinterest, go to your settings in your profile, and select tune your home page. Uncheck the images you don't want Pinterest to recommend you. Saving a few human illustrations to your pin should also help.
@@DrZeddy-wo5fdso you’re not an artist huh, it’s used by lazy people who constantly insult and put down people who legitimately work hard on their art, as well as taking credit for the work by doing nothing.
@@RubiAkito A lame stickman that was made out of a want to actually create will always have more value than a pretty generated image. Oh hey did you know that ai generation takes 1.8 to 12 liters of water for ONE prompt? Hmh yea. I will always value a lame stickman over someone actively harming the environment
whoever tries to hire these character designers is going to have a rough time. "make this a little different" is going to be a very very hard thing for them to do, as it's not precise, and in my opinion, never will be.
Exactly. AI might get you 90% of the way there to exactly what you want. But you're still going to have to pick up a stylus pen for that last 10%. And as with many projects, the last 10% is where 90% of time, effort, and skill is spent.
some company did that and the Art director was having a tough time with them. they were useless. and just bloated the staff. i think the AI peeps got fired after.
You know nothing of the Ai the companies use. Those parts can easily be fixed with ai too. This is the worst thing about this. Forget the stupid braindeads of twitter. In the actual world, HUNDREDS of real illustrators and artists have been laid off(like me) companies in favor of ai. Its being used rn and most people dont even know it. And companies pay for Ai software, that is specifically written for that particular company so they dont commit theft. There is no point in being a commercial artist anymore😔
Nope. You can fix these mistakes easily with specifically written ai software. You need phyton coding skills but most companies pay to have a software made for them. It’s cheaper to pay for Software to generate art than to pay an in-house artist. Sincerely, one of hundreds of artists in europe being laid off
@sarasoryu That’s so sad.. though it was inevitable for something like that to happen. Can you tell me what companies are using AI for their works? I don’t want to support companies like that and if there’s enough people who say they think AI usage is gross then maybe things can change for commercial artists..?
As someone that can't go to in person events the only way I can enjoy art is through the internet. Now I have to deal with wannabe artists stealing hard earned work from others to look good and sometimes for money. Honestly this is just disgusting. I see no nonviolent way of stopping ai so I guess it is just here to stay. and the newer generation will no longer know true art.
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Doesn't Petra have a speedpaint posted?
(I know most art is AI)
I dont like some art styles, but I'm not going to hate someone for it... what kind of mentality is this?
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U do know that u can hide files and layers in procreate forthe timelapse? those process videos mean nothing lul
and no, those pics u have shown at 14:30 are these typical midjourney shite. I can understand if a non artist with untrained eye sees it and thinks its real but hearing from you that u thought once these were real drawings is quite disapointing
"Community"? what are you even talking about? A "community" is a myth. Especially something like "the art community", there is no "community", nobody knows anyone. You are just loosely associating all artists as if we were somehow all friends. Sorry dude. The idea of any "community" is a lie. It's all in your imagination.
Twitter and TikTok are the worst apps for artists to post i swearrr 😭😭
i feel like they're not that bad, they just have really toxic communities compared to others
I feel like Instagram and Tumblr are even worse :Т
Try Newgrounds. Best place for art n anything
Every social media have it bad side for post in it, but one thing is sure, Twitter is one of the most worst.
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So it's bad then 😭
mfw i find a person who posts really cool looking art only to realize “oh wait, they just used ai”
it's so sad and annoying at the same time!!!😭
me with @/Dog_head_02 on twt
It's neat how this video starts off saying "the art community is so toxic because people are attacking artists for creating in ways they don't like"....and then immediately starts attacking artists who use AI in their work lol.
Yea, the art community is extremely toxic. Just most of the toxic people think they are being "the good kind of hater though". lol
@@Shyeeppeople who use ai aren't artists though
@@Shyeep except ai isnt creating anything. get a grip x
The worst part about these fake "artists" is the fact that social media addicts are calling everything surreal/abstract "AI" when it very clearly is not AI-generated. Expert photographers have been the biggest target of these horrible "AI" comments, and it's gotten to the point where photographers are now having to record their process in order to prove they took the photo.
Ironic how photographers have always been mocked for not being "real" artists, yet now they're the ones getting harassed for "AI photos" that are actually real photos lol.
Media literacy has really gone downhill if we're attacking real artists for being even mildly better than Calarts students.
"You should change your style. Looks too much like A.I."
Does it, now?
Guess that means people don't need me, and I don't care. I was never the type of person to look for attention, as if that was anywhere close to the most important thing about self-expression.
And if someone trained an algorithm on my stuff, it's no surprise why it looks similar. But hey, I would never trade away the experience of learning things and making connections between ideas. Nothing can touch that.
Originality is a human concept... It's not a matter of "what makes the best image" or whether "some people have the same fingerprints" - it's all about the personality, the drive and the intent behind every mark Vs. how much something depends on the work of someone else to exist (which algorithms have been trained upon the works of millions of people)... It's not simply about how much something is "different" or "similar".
If someone doesn't know what "marks" these algorithms do and just decide whether they are "good enough" only after they are applied and move on, then there is no human intent in those "generative marks" regardless of whether they choose to save them in a folder packed with other possible "marks" or whatever experience someone has. Each "mark" an accelerated algorithm does is influenced by processes that change them depending on circumstances and what they are working with-processes that no human can do, control or hide entirely.
If people want to argue that they just need to be "creative", as in focusing on ideas over their execution, that is focusing on results, in which case they are skipping a process or parts of it (if they are sometimes using digital programs to edit things), and therefore are leaving interpretation up to anyone else as to what is made by humans. Such a concept based on one's drive and intent is meaningless to anyone who is not willing to put themselves in the practice of a craft while the people who do find it meaningful arguably become much more creative than the ones who don't.
As long as algorithms are not truly intelligent, despite almost everyone labelling them as such, they can't outperform humans in what tasks they already do because they don't have any concept of humanity or the will to understand/feel it. They can still get close on a very superficial level if those filthy rich tech corporations pour enough resources in them to convince people that they can think for them, but I believe there is a constant limit to what they can do without being truly human.
Say that they do develop sentience... Would that change anything about what people are?
The problem is not the technology, it's the way people SEE it.
When a CEO tells someone that they're a "specist" for wanting to make sure humans are O.K. in a future with accelerated compute or when someone says that "by obstructing the algorithm's RIGHT to 'copy' something, that is obstructing other people's rights"... people like this are willing to give rights to machines because they think that more intelligence = more truth, and that anyone who is less "intelligent" by their definition deserves to be taken advantage of.
This is the foundation of the whole "A.I." movement: they decide that they don't need anyone's consent. They just think "might makes right".
Meanwhile, people in politics and the justice department are actually considering having algorithms operate in those fields... one of them, I contacted, and they told me that "A.I. is coming whether I like it or not", and that makes me wonder what they are already doing about it.
Whatever happens, what are people doing about it? That's what I care about the most over whether something is inevitable or not.
I just want to know if people are doing things that actually matter to them over pursuing ideas that are only meant to make them feel somewhat comfortable about everything.
It's kind of incredible how fast people, especially ignorant ones who never did anything like what they're attacking, forget what humans can do. It's the exact same reason so many people believe everything ancient was done by aliens. They just can't seem to wrap their heads around how capable a species we are. And the strangest thing is, like, so many of them knew it yesterday. But they learn about any kind of new technology or a concept new to them and they just forget they knew things like that artists can do amazing things and not every woman is secretly trans. People really are getting dumber at an incredible rate
Oh, they do it with painting as well, because any painting usually doesn't have the detail of a photograph and can, therefore, be done via AI, apparently.
Right-O. I usually do have images from the middle of the process just due to making decisions about that point, but even so, it doesn't concern me if somebody actually thinks a canvas was--or could be--generated by AI.
Seriously? Its actual art thats targeted the mist and abused by AI. Photography can still claim that is a recording of the real thing.
CalArts is literally just a college, quit being biased for no reason because it adds nothing to the conversation.
The art community is finished.
Me trying to actually listen to the video:
Me also looking at the big clocks in the background:
7:04 "U ARE AI RACIST" is actually insane 😭
Ok I was scrolling through the comments like “there’s no way I’m the only one who caught that”
@@gamefantasticcuz For real though 😭 what is it even supposed to mean
Yes, I am
I’m at the beginning of the video and I haven’t gotten there but WHAT?! 😂
@@creepywaffles4783 It's a hate comment on someone calling out an AI artist lol
Dang it.... My girlfriend is called Petra 😅
But the only thing she stole was my heart though.. 😊
"you are ai racist" 😳😳😳 the ai bros' delulu level reaches new heights
What brings a person to believe and say this? Its crazy how two people can interpret “common sense” in two entirely different ways. Exaggerated wordplay such as that, “AI racist,” is extreme as heck considering the context of its upbringing.
@@hollowedboi5937Given where we are in society, how is this surprising?? The standard of identity is basically “whatever I and those who agree with me say it is”. It’s been downhill for a while now.
@@Window4503you are falling for it then instead of fighting against it bro, you can't let these greedy massive industries control art exposure OR IN GENERAL. It's better that somebody talks about it but definitely not enough, change must happen.
There was even a 'Pencil is a slur!' campaign
@@sneekysnek7517 So AI artists popularize new style, and such a cool style that other artists try to copy his style, just to be shamed for using AI. And this is all right after u talk about how toxic art community towards other artists and how it is bad.
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12:58 This hits the nail on the head. It is uncivil behaviour that ruins any online community.
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I hate how any time I want to search for a reference photo, I'm immediately hit with ai art. Just a few days ago, I and a friend were searching through merch from shows we like, and it was just filled with ai generated images
Yes I hate it too
I think AI is actually better morally suited for references, that way it's actually being used as a "tool".
@@elsinaattheworkshop I was just thinking that the other day honestly. Lol
It definitely would be better as a reference tool..
@@elsinaattheworkshop Personally I see that as tracing with extra steps, but at least that way of using it is actually ethical.
@@elsinaattheworkshop I 100% agree, I feel like there is some actual use to ai, but people are using it for the wrong reasons, for scamming, which is sad 😔
This is truly disheartening. As someone who's still early on their art journey, I sometimes catch myself thinking 'what's the point?' when I see the art community like this.
I'm not gonna give up this time, but it still bums me out.
Fellow art learner here,don't give up,what differs your human art from AI is that it has a soul and a taste for creativity,plus ai art looks extremely detailed making it obvious to catch.
Same here, it can be concerning and distressing. But though many people are getting impatient and lazy and want easy gratification, I'm not giving up because nobody can force me to use AI. If people want to fully depend on a computer to make stuff for them, that's their business, and usually on them for not even making effort.
I'd much rather struggle and laugh at myself drawing incorrect anatomy as I learn, then let a machine create an odd-looking overly realistic image for me. Because art isn't just about pretty images and getting to the result as fast as possible, but a process. Both a process of creating, and finding joy and passion, in what the human mind and hand can do.
Which more and more people seem to be failing to understand.
The splatoon 3 discord server has an art section and they’re really friendly there, I don’t think I’ve seen a single toxic comment. They’re pretty good at spotting AI, too.
Lowkey, I'm honing my skills for a future hopefully-less-shit community. But also my ultimate dream is to have a community around my creations, not just share my creations to another community.
Art in itself is fucking hard. Its so much self discipline learning so many fundamentals and trying to find yourself in it while keeping motivation. This whole situation that’s been happening over these past few years has made things even more difficult.
Because of this, for you to keep on moving is incredible. Because its brave to continue moving forward despite not knowing what comes next. And despite adversity. If art is what you want to do then go for it.
I find what I keep hearing is continue to make the art you want to make. Don’t create for the masses, create for yourself and the kind of people you want to make this for: what are they into and why? How can I show my process and art in a way that gives them value? (Entertain, educate, inspire)
If AI is making your art fade into the background, it's your samey predictable art that's the problem, not AI.
Digital art was the beginning of the problem and now the AI chicken has come to roost
15:40 Is that Onision as winter soldier? 😃😅
It really is a shame how the sharp decline in media literacy is directly affecting the rate at which AI-generated images are being posted... which causes REAL ARTISTS to get attacked for no reason at all.
I am confused what does media literacy have to do with spotting ai?
@@InvasionAnimationmedia literacy just has a similar definition to what op meant, media literacy is a form of being able to spot minor details
@@SoloAnima1 Oh, thank you for the info.
you mean computer literacy? becuase wth u mean media literacy😭 what????
@@InvasionAnimationno your right, media literacy has nothing to do with being able to spot fake from real pictured on the internet bruh
AI art is like putting a prepackaged microwave meal in the microwave, putting in 3 minutes, then comparing yourself to Gordon Ramsay. Someone made the art that the AI used to train, but it wasn't you, microwave person.
You know what is even worse. Art Universities and Colleges are teaching AI as actual course modules.
It is quite disappointing.
Right? It's embarrassing, but art college truly is a scam, I suppose. It's just sad that now more people take shortcuts like selling ai art and then gain some false ego think their the shit when they're just frauds.
@@anthos332 I have a strong feeling that AI art and this whole entire AI movement is going to lose steam and fizzle out in the future. because people will get fed up with it and refuse to give into it anymore and the people promoting ai for powers sake won't get their power and will back down. There are enough people who will form artistic movements that will actually get enough people behind them and there will be a shift in culture where art universities will opt out of using AI and will return to traditional methods when they find that they lose numbers.
Disappointing indeed. A similar thing happened in architecture schools. Architecture schools once taught aspiring architects how to build stunningly beautiful traditional architecture from the average or mundane to the glorious and ornate neo-classical or beaux arts. But nowadays their are probably less than ten major universities worldwide that teach architects how to build traditional buildings. There is the university of notre dame in paris which is the only college that I could find in Europe that teaches beaux arts architecture and the university of miami which teach traditional architecture as well. Many other colleges do "study the art hisgtory of traditional architecture, but they do not offer legitimate courses in it. There is even a stigma in the architecture community against architects wanting to design traditional architecture. There is an active movement trying to make traditional architecture disappear. The same is probably happening in all other areas of art as well. The arts as a whole are in serious danger.
I didn't know about all of that petravoice's story, it's wild omg 🤣
and these fake artists had the gall to trash talk to legit artists
we went from "digital art is not real" to "i don't believe the progress i have just seen. still has to be ai"
people can keep crying
because a lot of those progress shots are just traced AI pictures were they edit the video to remove the parts where the reference is visible. The last artist mentioned in the video is definitely doing that, those pictures are him redrawing AI pictures
@@j.2512 i wasn't talking about ai art. i was talking about how _so many people just assume_ artists are using ai - despite showing proof they aren't.
@@Absbor and i am telling you is because the proof very often is faked too
@@j.2512 i get it why people are distrustful. I've seen fakers too. My comment points at artist who had proof of not using ai, and still calling them using ai. It had happened at least once to a commentator artist on youtube (mint turquoise hair).
I absolutely do not mind people calling out ai - what i do mind is artist being under the same fire _bc_ someone falsely accused them. Ran their art through an ai art checker and now think they're better.
I get what you're trying to tell me. I've seen those fakes too. Heard their arguments, etc.
Like I said: What I'm trying to tell is not every artist should be accused of using ai, when they clearly don't. The tedious discussion reminds me when peoole said "you can't live from digital art, bc it's not real".
To me, AI art is someone ordering food and saying that they cooked it. I mean, yeah, you got food, but you didn't cook it and it doesn't make you a chef.
its more like someone doing a google image search, taking an image and claiming is art because they choose the search terms
Perfect analogy.
A.I. art is also someone buying some clothes and claiming that they made every single clothe from scratch when you know that such a claim is complete bull crap.
It's just ai NOT even art. It's creative but never artistic.
@@saffplaylistsit’s not even creative
I think a better example would be like a subway and telling them what yiu want on yiur sandwich. When it comes to regular reastyrounts, yiu are just asking them one thing and they just prepare according to how the reasturount does it. You can't tell them the ingredients or anything. But with subway, telling them what stuff to put in in a particular order and if yiu want it toasted is kinda similar to how people would write a prompt on what they specificaly want in the image and how it needs to be done. The prompt is the ingredients in a way. But even though you did tell tell that person what you want in the sandwich and how it needs to be done, you still didn't make it on your own. You told someone else to do that stuff for you. Yes, you in some way created the sandwich, but you didn't MAKE it or CREATE it with effort as you are not the one constructing it and putting work into it. Thats how I see AI. Someone going to subway, telling someone what they want on the sandwich and how it needs to be done, and then claiming that you made it because it's instructed by you.
I’m already on the verge of giving up art, because my mental health will never allow me to be strong enough to assert myself in professional artistic settings, but knowing that AI generations are becoming harder and harder to recognizes… I don’t even wanna do this anymore. In all my years battling depression, I lost passion in anything, and the very few amount of art I was able to create and be proud of ? It is now permanently in Meta’s AI. All my life used to be defined by creating, anything at anytime. But I lost it because of depression and PTSD. I just want to be able to be inspired and make art again, I want to finally be done with dissociation and get my imagination back. But in this current world, what’s even the point ? I don’t even recognize the art community I used to love anymore. Either you stay alone with your pieces, or you fight for your life just to want to share with someone
Then either create your own unique style or just learn AI art in a non predatory and lame way. I don't know why people get so twisty over this. Joy for "art" should be creating cool images that can say something. The idea that AI can't achieve that is just a philosophical myth being pushed by real artists. These people are already using AI to have perfect line art, to color correct, to make things 100x easier than analog painting. And they never had an issue when it put great manual artists like Drew Struzan out of business in the 90s. If you are actually inspired by "art", AI means nothing to you. People that hate AI are mostly of that train of thought because it affects their paycheck.
@@bladechild2449 first of all, developing your own unique style isn't something you can do that easily, it takes years of hard work. But you don't sound like someone who would know about it. As for AI generated images, let me paint you an image (haha I know).
Imagine you have a really strong passion, to which you dedicate hours of work everyday, that makes you so happy and help you connect with people. And then one day a company barges in your environment, take all your shits and decide to us them however they want. That's what's happening with AI. Millions of pieces of art are used to train AI against the artists consent. For some people, it's their income. For others, it's a life long passion. You got some nerves to write such a thing under a comment where I'm literally expressing how my lifelong passion is being ripped away from me because companies only cares about technology and money. You should genuinely open yourself a bit more to what is happening in the artist communities online lately. AI is literally being used to scam professional artists more and more, even trying to start competitions between people and making beginners and older people feel discouraged about their skills ! AI is used to steal artists unique artstyle and then profiting out of it. It happened to our beloved Quinni, may her soul rest in peace, but also to other less known artists like Caitlin Koi shown here. AI could be used to create such amazing technologies that could help humanity, but no, instead it's being used to steal people's work and profit out of it. Please, before commenting such ignorant stuffs, learn a little bit more about what it is to be an artist in the current AI situation. There are good reasons why entire groups of artists are currently filing lawsuits against corporations who broke some basic consent and copyright rules for the sake of technology. AI isn't art and will never be, art is a piece of work created by a human. All AI do is massively stealing this work to make profit out of it. Kinda funny that you throw a spike against artists who are worried for their paycheck when most of AI steals art to make money out of it, sometimes straight stealing an artist unique style. Hell, even 2 years worth of my infography homeworks have been fed to an AI against my consent, because Adobe were the only programs we were allowed to us ! Again, please extend your knowledge in the artist community to realize the magnitude of the crisis. I recommend you to check out more videos on @MohammedAgbadi channel, he talks about the latest things that happened in artists communities online, including the latest things AI did to them. Please, once again, extend your range of knowledge and realize that people's years of hard work are literally being stolen from them in the name of technology. We never agreed to this, and we're called names for sharing our art online in the first place (most platforms made the collection of art an immediate yes, and made the whole process of opting out of this problem barely know and complicated. I recommend you to check Mohammed's video on DeviantArt, and how the platform is forcing artists who have been there for more than 12 years to opt out DRAWING BY DRAWING. Not only it is an insane thing for artists who have literally hundreds of posts there, but also what about the ones who are dead ? And the onr who forever lost their account ? Why is the default setting set on consenting ? That's not how consent work at all)
@@bladechild2449 Also, I saw your other comment on this video. So if even after all I've written you still think that new technologies should go before people's consent, I'm out of the conversation. I'm tired of having to prove to people why I should have the right to pursue my passion without constantly fearing that it's gonna be stolen from me. I want to make a career out of art, especially in video games, that was my dream for years. But I can't achieve this dream with only a sketchbook and a pencil, I need to get myself out there to find opportunities. And that includes exposing myself to greedy corporations who only see myself as a new money opportunity
The "who cares, art is art" comment shook my core😭😭
Thank you for putting subtitles in the video
The art community on social media unfortunately has always been toxic . But now its 100% worse nobody wants to help out or support new artists. And everything is a popularity contest only for people with big followings
Another bad side of ai is that real artists like myself are being called fake, or in my case literally being harassed in dms and having comments on my posts, acusing me of being an ai artist. It's infuriating that we are are getting the hate that should go to these ai people.
I once saw an obviously AI generated image on Pinterest (the foot was literally backwards lol) and while everyone was calling them out there was someone saying “oh but but maybe that’s just their art style or something they do instead of a signature” 🥺
Like I’m sorry WHAT‽ It’s so annoying this whole situation. Either I find people attacking the wrong people, defending the ones using AI, or trying to literally give everyone the “benefit of the doubt” no matter how obvious it is that it is AI!
I really feel bad for talented artists like you, I wanna get better at art but it’s discouraging to know that the better your art is the more likely it will be stolen by art stealers or AI scrapers.
i think my art is too weird to be replicated by ai so no one tells me that lmaooo
@@Man-ej6uvsame lol, like my art style is some kind of "animation art style" that i came up with to excuse my poor rendering skills, basically its just very simple with its shading and stuff. if someone honestly would think that i can find an ai art-generating website that's free, requires no downloads, and can also replicate my art style all at once, then they're an idiot LOL
My art is so bad ain't nobody calling me fake 😂😢😂😢😂😢😅
I’m so sick of this AI thing for making “art”. I just found it horrible. AI is supposed to help in some way, not to screw us up.
Edit: Ok I wrote this really fast and I just want to clear this up.
I know it’s actually humans who use AI in a wrong way, it’s not entirely AI’s fault. I just feel like it was never a good idea to make an AI capable of making art, because AI itself steals art from other artists in social media. I found it truly exhausting trying to even do some tricks in your own art just to hope AI doesn't steal it.
By “screw us up” I meant that AI steals from our art, our hard work.
That’s all. In a fairy tail, we all use it just for good and not with bad intentions.
If you use it in a good way, I'm happy for you. If u don’t, well, don’t cry if artists notice and blame u of AI using.
And with that, thank u so much. Keep learning, keep practicing and keep making art
In the end we’re all screwed
Unfortunately, the tech industry judges things as being worthy of investment based purely on what industries they can "disrupt". They get a lot of media buzz for free for messing things up, like taxis, hotels, real estate ect. Right now this is a desperate run to get more funding as the money runs out
Right?? I only ever use ai to get ideas on what to draw for backgrounds, like I ask "generate a forest at night painted in cool watercolors," and it gives me an assortment of different layouts, different types of forests, cloud formations, etc. this gives me an idea on what fits the image in my minds eye the best, and i then draw using the elements from those generations in my own piece made with my own hands. I would never generate an image and post it claiming it's my own art.
Capitalism baby
I agree that AI was supposed to help in some way but as you know, people are lazy (not everyone obviously) and they use AI as a shortcut way to 'make something (not just art)' and then claim that they could do it
7:07 nope this was in response to another user who responded to a pic she posted captioned: sold her soul to be popular. They said “-she says about herself” which got that response. It likely struck a nerve but wasn’t @ Meg directly
Remembering Andy's Soups...
The "art community" has always been toxic
one of my friends said "calling yourself an artist for using AI is the same thing as calling yourself a chef for reheating food in the microwave" and i think that was very well said.
If the food was exactly the same so the people eating it couldn't tell much difference, or even if the microwave food was better then what
@@RobertScholten they still didn't make the food themselves. they are reheating someone else's food. they did not make anything, they just pushed some buttons. the same as what ai bros do.
@@RobertScholten The problem is that you seem to think art is only about pretty pictures, therefore every image that looks decent no matter where it came from is art. That's not how it works.
Sure you can probably make money selling AI images just like you can have a restaurant feeding people microwaved food, but that way you aren't really doing anything that your customers can't just do themselves, there's no real value and no meaning.
@@RobertScholten Art is much more about the process, learning and skills of the artists which give value to the art pieces themselves, than the finished product. Even if it’s better it’s soulless money-making shit, there’s no evolving in there
@@RobertScholten art made by humans can evolve regardless of other humans. Art made by ai cannot evolve without ANY human input. not the same, at ALL.
one is guaranteed to hit a brick wall without the help of its creators, and the other gives us new valid perspectives just by LOOKING at it.
Its getting bad, when i google anime pictures/something related to anime/art theres ALWAYS that ai art picture SOMEWHERE. I don't know if its my search results that are cursed 😔
When I just Google regular photos of animals, instead of getting regular pics, and links to wildlife information, I get tons and tons of people selling ai animal art and posters 💀
goshh i hate it here!!!!
Same there are times when I search for some references or something and almost everything is AI
Google is the worst for looking for non-AI art. Bing is better, but there's still a lot of AI. You can also use a search term to exclude certain known AI generating websites. I think it's adding a minus symbol in front of the word. That works on all major search engines
Same to, this is little the worst I wish we had a way to just hide these Ai images for be more easy to find real photos and art. :
Social media and art were probably never meant to mix
It's not AI Art it's AI imaging. Only humans can create art.
Twitter is full of lies bro
brooo
this is the world of propaganda .. how israel winning in battlefield but lost in propaganda and agenda ..
Sis you couldn't be more truer with your words, i totally agree
The last time I felt like the art community was in its best era was literally 2000-2009 deviantART
I may be biased because I felt the most community when I was there. It makes it hard to look where we are now and go, "wow, deviantart was pretty okay back then actually."
bruh fr! i'd say 2000 - 2018 ish...before commentary youtube and clout and all this nonsense started getting mainstream and popular
Man, how DA has gone downhill. There’s an AI image generator. On an ART website. Shameful. ;-;
I stopped using DA regularly about 5 years ago maybe more. At some point, probably 2 years ago, I liked a bunch of gen AI not knowing it was AI (I don't keep up with internet stuff).
So, a few months ago I was looking at my DA likes to find some art inspiration since pinterest was bogging me down with all the AI on there. But when I saw the harsh shift of genuine art to AI I just felt extremely sad. All except the most recent likes was genuine art, hundreds of images of genuine work and then suddenly not. I realized I can no longer just enjoy art, how even subconsciously now I comb through every piece I see and look for the signs of AI. It's exhausting, and I yearn for the days where I could just enjoy art because it was only art, none of it was this AI bull.
Agree ai ruins everything
@@Iishoyeah, im having a hard time with Pinterest too. I ontem search images for my dnd campaign, and now ALL i fundo on Pinterest is IA crap. Dont have much time to research so... Now i have lots of NPCs made by IA and It makes Very desapointed.
That’s why we should help the next gen of the art community to make sure they have peace
12:46 goated with the saiki k pfp
It sucks real artists never get the recognition they deserve
Right, and then there are these people who use AI getting all that praises and stuff, actual artists have been working hard and then they're the ones being called fake 💀
@@Nothing-mu1pg Because AI bros also tend to use bots to spread tons of AI trash everywhere. That sadly garners more attention.
@@xjakanton2576it's fake art made for fake people to exploit real people... And it's sickening.
Not to mention Petra's art sold for up to 2 eth EACH after this whole situation happened. She sold a lot of pieces between .5 eth to 2 eth a pop. Insane!!!!
why does all this kinda remind me of how people on amino would have like. rules in the communities where youd have to show the layers or put your hand in front of the drawing with ur username
it was for entirely different reasons but im still getting deja vu lol they didnt trust ANYONE on that platform (and for good reason tbh)
Recuerdo eso, el mostrar el proceso de su arte para evitar robos, genuinamente me parece una buena idea para demostrar que alguien hizo algo y las reglas eran duras pero justas
Fr, but for communities where they're selling or trading that art, it's especially beneficial. Since it helps prevent scammers trying to get people's money from stolen art
Annoying, but I can definitely see why they needed those rules
@@yogurttot7072 oh for sure!! i didnt mean for it to sound like i hated the practice itself, just that it was reminiscent
@@mintchako8079 oh you're good man! Didn't mean to sound accusatory or nothin xD
Though tbf, I have seen a few people complain about the proof rules, so they're definitely out there lol
I had to leave Amino due to them upset I posted art daily.
I've been on an artistic hiatus for a little over a year now and I'm slowly getting back into drawing.
One thing that I find atrociously hard to draw is hair but you know what? I LOVE drawing hair and I enjoy spending hours on end looking at photos and other works to learn and understand how to draw good looking hair!
I've been drawing almost my whole life and while I learn at a slow pace I just enjoy the process.
As you said, there can be many "failed" attempts before that good one, and there is no greater joy than looking at a finished piece and say "I did that!!", realizing all your hard work and dedication finally payed off!
To all young/new artists out there, don't give up and keep on learning! Don't let AI take the joy of creation and imagination away from you!
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Yup fast is not better it’s like the microwave mentality
Rather learn the skill the satisfaction is unlike any other it’s like any other art medium sculpture etc don’t care for how A.I. looks too overly not random as a hand will produce An acrylic artist
Vs an A.I artist no comparison the arcylic piece will in most instances fetch more on the market
Don’t care what anyone says Sure learning can be frustrating but in the end, there’s nothing like the feeling of beating that anxiety and actually achieving, what you set out to do by hand
facts ❤
Something in me feels like if an artist can be truly replaced by a machine then they weren’t making anything worth their effort in the first place 🤷🏿♂️
Easy to say when you haven't created anything in your life, but ok.
10:12 is that bayonetta lol
Good thing i switched from traditional art to pixel art, its impossible for ai to do.
pixel art is literally done by a script in Blender, it takes seconds to turn anything into pixel art
AI and impossible don't go together...
midjourney is actually quite good at generating pixel art
Anyone else just stopped posting their art on the internet entirely?
Sorry I don't want to be one day ""featured"" on civitai. Absolutely wild times we live in where blatant theft is happening and nobody cares.
To me, i posted my art in cara because i rarely find AI and finding alot of great artist.
Literally that's why my art has mostly only made it to niche youtube channels I like. That and a couple discord servers.
I’m just posting one a week with glaze, though I don’t really know why I post. It’d be amazing to have a shop, but it seems only my friends see my posts and not much else. Making them as portfolio pieces would be cool but sharing is odd to me now. Like who am I sharing this to and why? Do I need their likes and admiration? What does that mean to me? Is this more an addictive hit then a legitimate career choice, or am I actually enjoying this or not?
I stopped posting my art ever since ai art exploded in popularity. I don’t want to feed the machine. It’s hurtful though because I spent my entire life loving art, ever since I could hold a crayon, and dedicated countless hours to learning how to draw (and I’d call my art style amateur at best). Now, when AI can spit something out that is better than anything I’ve ever made in my life, I struggle to feel inspired at all. I wish I didn’t feel completely robbed of my creativity but that is just how I feel. Now, if I’m to be creative, I’ll do it for myself and not for the random likes on the internet.
im not good enough that training with mine influence the output
ai slop users also flodded the search as well. Can't look up stuff like angels without some ai gen slop showing up. Since it's so easy to make, I won't be surprised if there are more ai gen posted than actual art posted on the internet.
And it will only fill up every feed even faster- since it only requires them a click of a button to start generating 4 pieces at once and for those to possibly get into someone's feed
Dead internet is here, yay…
AI can produce 1000x faster than human. We need brainstorming, concepting, revision, sketching etc etc and Ai can done it all of that under 30 seconds. Really scary.
@@bunnyfreakz It can't.
If anyone's using Google, using -"" will exclude whatever's in the quotation mark. -"ai", -"stablediffusion", and -"midjourney" should block a few ai images.
For Pinterest, go to your settings in your profile, and select tune your home page. Uncheck the images you don't want Pinterest to recommend you. Saving a few human illustrations to your pin should also help.
it went to people thinking that a artist printed their art to thinking it's ai what happened i lost control 😭
Honestly, I just don't like it when characters are "over-designed". Really takes me out of it.
What bothers me most about Petra's case is that I had read that she apparently went to art school to only use AI.
Not to mention that when they tell her that she uses AI and she shouldn't do that, she gets arrogant with her answers as if she were untouchable 😑
And those same "artists" who use AI, pretend to be people who strive to "create art", while dude, you did nothing.
😭😭😭😭there's art school for ai now?!!! what am i reading
@@MohammedAgbadi I'm not really sure but I did see in other videos and on a website that Petra had, which also seemed to be written by AI, in which she said that she did go to art school. Literally it was just a waste of money to end up using AI for your "art"
I mean she could be straight up lying
It's only been two years since it went public so she is doing what the typical ai user does, she is lying about what she is capable of. I doubt there is a ai school.
My sister said her teachers where okay with submitting AI art for projects, I'm so done
Totally agree with you Mohammed, ai is destroying human creativity. Anyone using ai and claiming that they're an artist is a fool and definitely not a real artist.
And a thief!
lol keep crying
@@Skywohka can you draw or do creative stuff when your AI "tool" is taken away? the way you talk makes me think you can't
Its not destroying human creativity; The people who call themselves AI artists dont have what it takes to set themselves to learning art, and those who do have what it takes will make art regardless, because its like a compulsion.
What is being lost are jobs and the general public’s ability to appreciate what we artists are making with our own hands.
@@InAHollowTree the general public now hate gAI, and more and more people are hating it - even businesses
We gonna get to the point where we gonna have fake ai speedpaints lol
We already have fake ai speedpaints actually.. luckily though it’s pretty obvious when it’s ai
Only way to tell if it isn't AI at this point is if the artist shows them flicking through layers. AI can't produce a PSD yet.
Next up: Live human being does videos about their art.
"You're not even a real person! You're an AI generated deepfake!"
@@0uttaS1TE Yet is the key word, I'm going to be horrified the day they can. Also horrified for the day they give AI actual eyes and have them learn by seeing. Then it can understand 3D objects, and look at images like we do.
I’ve seen it with Procreate where they trace over the image but they can hide layers in the replay. So the give away is their weird ass layout and construction of characters.
there is now also fake drawing composition videos. A machine makes a video that appears to show a speed paint
I'm gonna dust off my old colored pencils and watercolors because traditional art got much more value nowadays because of A.I.
same, been browsing for any art forms ai can't copy, plan to use techniques that make my work more noticeable and obviously human too. someone suggested an insignia, as ai can't copy that yet apparently, and someone else suggested growing your perspective of the world so that you can create genuinely unique things would be a better idea.
I still plan on being an artist, but damn, are ai making that dream annoying.
Istg we are starting a new art movement where we throw away aesthetic just to mess up ai
It would be fun
I mix traditional and digital,I use ink traditional and color digital, that way I save time. And yes,traditional art gained more power now (can't complain)
@@nigellien7511 This is what all artists are doing, actually... they're not worrying about what AI or other artists are up to. People raising alarm bells about stable diffusion are angry because compared to their uninspired generic looking work, it's hard to spot a difference. But the way to fix that problem is *also* to get better at your art!
This is what we did when photoshop came out. And copying machines. And cameras. It's all a cycle. There's something in it for every artist.
A hill I will die on: AI images is not, and cannot be considered art. I'm no artist, and if I want something made I'll commission an artist who knows what they're doing. Not some AI that's non-consentually fed other people's work to copy.
It's only in the realm of art if they're generating Steven Segal fighting against an army of seagulls, that is the only exception
This aint the art community, this is the internet community. Get out into your local galleries, local museums, and local libraries and see some real art. Join a sketch group and draw and work with other artists IN PERSON. We need to move away from social media art critiques because it is having a clear consequence on a greater art community, forcing and focusing younger (typically more cutting edge, radically people) inside and away from each other, bending to an algorithm of hate and fast attention instead of having genuine conversations
Thanks bro. I think I will back to drawing after this video. It was like the art-psychology session.
The witchhunt is now more damaging than the witches.
It is not. At all. The witches are destroying the livelihood and lives of every artist out there, the witch hunt is asking for proof of the work.
AI is not art and does not make someone an artist
I told EVERYONE! The second I saw the first mushy midjourney image, I said "this will fuck up us all". And EVERYBODY I know said "calm down it's just a tool!". AI will learn to fix the mistakes and make "art" indistinguishable from real artists. It has started to hide hands now, because it couldn't figure them out. If you see an AI image, check out the hands, it's wild that it learned to hide them. 10 years from now it will replace many artists in the concept art industry. It's just too good and too fast for companies to not use it. I hope EU sanctions the use of AI, so it won't take away peoples jobs, but I doubt it. It feel so vindicated but also so sad that I was right...
already happening, i know studios firing most of their artists and just having some guy edit AI images. ITs really bad for pre-production work like concept art because it all stays in-house, most of that art will not be shown to public so no one cares if its using AI.
"U ARE AI RACIST" might be the wildest thing I have seen in years
Ai racism is crazy 😂😂
If they accept that they are replaceable they accepted mentally that they lost already. They are replaceable and they fear it
12:00 that creepy voice matches the average AI user perfectly
It's like, the artistic Turing Test, where you have to see if details make sense in the art.
if you take an art appreciation course, it's actually more like spotting the difference between a stick drawing and an oil painting.
Do we even NEED the internet to make art anyway?
Ugh it’s so frustrating. I’ve been getting the AI accusations lately too. I’ve been studying portraits HARD for the past 3 years when I decided to take art more seriously. It started with people on Reddit claiming I did paint overs. I didn’t. Then another portrait was “wow crazy how so many people us AI of these all over Instagram.” That was when AI art first started so I genuinely couldn’t tell if they were being passive aggressive.
Now I get it ALL THE TIME when I post on Reddit. To the point that when people ask to see a speedpaint; I assume they’re just trying to “prove” it’s AI. And if they have good intentions, then I can’t tell anymore.
I’ve tried changing my rendering style to a more sketching unblended process but it hasn’t quelled the accusations much. Nvm that all of my work is uploaded to Cara which is pretty solid at detecting AI generated images.
Forget about them. Nothing you say or do will get through the haze of stupidity that occupies their brain matter.
Honestly just block them. If they keep saying dumb accusations after you've explained "no", then they're not worth your time or worry.
You could try using an insignia to work into all of your art. Like not a signature, but a symbol that’s consistently part of the artwork. AI can’t do that and it would take effort for you to at the very least keep adding it even if you did use AI. All the better if you can make a composition with the symbol or a character based on it or something. Do things that AI can’t do. And what it can’t do is have consistent details across outputs.
Well that's stupid you can tell what's ai and what's not
I've heard rumors that Cara is being scraped for an AI. I would hope there's no substance to them but I don't know.
before the video i ironically got an ad promoting ai art
W VID im subbin youre so underrated
My biggest issue with the art community is the whole "I don't like the subject matter in your art it makes me uncomfy so instead of blocking you I'm going to harass you until you stop making art that I personally don't like or you deactivate"
i.e Twitter and IG
This is why I just stay on Newgrounds
Does newgrounds have any policies against ai? Like Cara?
@@hollowedboi5937 Newgrounds has strict anti ai art rules Either draw it yourself or get someone else to do it
NEWGROUNDS BABY LETS GO
Perfect tie-in to whataboutism and main character syndrome. People claim to be open-minded and nonjudgmental while demanding everyone bow to their ideas
Time to recover my dusty Newgrounds account's password
Ai, ai, AI, im tired of hearing that word. what a hell us artists we are living in
Artists? Bro, this is on everyone, programmers will soon get the same treatment and everyone else will too.
However, I doubt AI economy is sustainable, ours already aren't. We will peak and then go hard down.
Rip any idea of a good life anyone had or entertained.
@@Goiaba308 The whole society will have to change to handle this crap. It's wild
I don’t think there should be any complaints against people who use AI in their work if they say: “Yes, I use AI.”
It's really ugly when a person tries to hide it.
There should be a built in system that automatically tags any AI art as "AI Art" so that there is no mistaking it.
@@dylanplumley280 As a function, it is useful. But you have to understand that such systems can be wrong.
So real.
As much hate as it may get me (and I understand why)
I have to say, I use AI.
Honestly... it totally motivated me to get back into drawing.
My main pal who I got into AI... he's way more into drawing than ever before...
And I showed my uncle, and he went and bought himself a drawing tablet. (the dude has never been into drawing in his whole life)
My mom got into AI (art, writing)... my parents renter uses AI (art, writing)... it's just honestly getting absurd.
Many people are feeling a sense of voice and empowerment... as crazy as that seems.
Funny enough, I also don't like most easily identifiable AI art I see.
I feel a sense that someone is attempting to waste my time.
I am not blind or numb to the cringe.
as a 30 year old artist who practises on and off over the last 10-ish years, this year has been one of the most difficult to make art, not just as a result of studying programming and doing my full time job but also because of gen ai. Its so hard to find joy and love for art online any more so im just trying to focus on my local community and my own private art practise
Looking on x or tiktok at art is like looking for medical advices on google.
Ai art is that war that will either end the art community or unite everyone against the bug giant soulless corpos
I wish I could say the latter is what we’re working towards but sadly that doesn’t look like it’s the case
This war is already lost, it is very painful to say, but the ai has already been trained, on every style, it’s awful. I was in the online art community for a little while and it made me never want to come back again, there’s no fixing it. The only thing I can say is to move to the tangible world, it will eventually die too (3d printing and etc) but at least there’s some instrinsic value to whatever piece you create, just like we can have Picasso’s and Van Gogh’s prints, but the real piece is still the valuable one, because their hands held the brushes that painted those. It is the only solution I find to this problem. Unless you can live and work in the online environment, then, good luck and a hug to you 😢❤
Now I can't stop thinking about these soulless corporations being run by giant bugs.
There is no art community. Most actual artists have their own dedicated communities who they have cultivated and AI has 0 influence over that. The "art community" is just the losers on social media constantly looking for drama and someone to harass. They're just easy to milk for views. It's why RUclips artists even bother with this drama.
@@PossibleBatThe toxicity of the online Art community directly led to the rapid rise in AI art, via Streisand Effect. I personally point to the r34 community being petty and toxic enough to create an audience of lewd degenerates. AI art does what the r34 community does but better, and they are seething and coping at their cash cow being slain.
I understand people not wanting to use their real voice in their Tiktok videos, but that AI Voice in the video at 10:45 is so annoying I can hardly focus on what it's saying. Sorry, that's a little off topic, but I was getting frustrated trying to listen to it, haha.
Great video! This whole AI art situation is such a mess.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.
same, to all of what you said
Completely agree, and THANK YOU because I’ve always felt this since its been a thing. It’s nice to be in a place where you can agree I guess this is what an online art community really is. People send or show memes and I hear that and I gotta stop em and say, “dude no stop I don’t wanna hear that.” Or just tell them continually, “ew that voice is so gross I’m sorry I don’t wanna hear that no thanks.”
Omg I've disliked that ai voice for a while now😭😭 I think its overused and just it hurts my brain with its raspyness
Tiktok has other ai voices that sound good, they definitely could've used those instead but its whatever 🤷♀️
Anything AI voiced sucks, if you can't do it, don't use it
The only reason these “redesign” accounts are popular is because they’re based on existing popular IPs. It’s literally the only reason. Without that, they would fail immediately, as it would require real talent and creativity from their authors.
Fixing someone's art without consent is literally coming into someone's house and telling them how they should arrange the furniture
Im curious what the modern definition of 'artist' is...
As someone who just reignited her love of drawing, and is now even kinda good at it, I want to share my work online. But instead of having my old worries of posting something “not good enough”, it’s now replaced (mostly) with the fear of people thinking/commenting that all the progress and work I’m so proud of is just AI. I CAN FINALLY DRAW HANDS BUT THE DAM MACHINES CAN DO THAT SORTA WELL NOW TOO WHERE IS THE JUSTICE😭
Show it. Glaze/Nightshade it first, maybe put one of those tags on saying “not made with AI,” but if you wanna show your work and it ain’t taking advantage or plagiarizing others, then do it. Show your awesome work. You can quit whenever you want. It doesn’t have control over you. And you can do as you please. I say show that love and passion if its there.
Show them offline, out of the Machine
Bro. Who cares, everything changes. AI is just a sign of how shit our time is. Don't forget our current society isn't sustainable at all. Most things are based on lies too, it's all fucked. Anyone who is honest and has a clear vision will see what I mean
Do what you want to do, there's no merit in anything
6:59 “YOU ARE AI RACIST” nahh thats wild 💀😭
I HAD TO PAUSE THE VIDEO AND RE READ THAT 8 TIMES
😂 dang it I was about to comment about that. I mean how can you be racist to a robot?
What I find really sad about this whole ai situation is when I see some cool art my instincts immediately tell to look for proof if it was made by ai or a real person. I miss the days when I saw an art piece and could admire the artist without having to play the judge first...
For now it's at least obvious in most cases as many AI bros aren't artists that see what's wrong with the output. But it's definitely a problem in the long term, I think the only solution will be tightly controlled communities that don't allow AI art.
Some people even say "You can just cut piece by piece the AI image and make it layered". That could make sense if the layer was a piece of rendered image, not a literal layer like line, base color, shading, highlight, etc..
The truths is only artists care about the artists, everyone else really only cares about if the artworks looks good whether ai was used or not.
*_be honest, what do you think about the art community?_*
war without reason
it has its ups and downs
It's starting to suck and there's so much fighting among the community
Chihuahuas barking.
its really awesome for the most part. Just another case of the toxic minority being the loudest, you guys are just pessimists
after watching this, that art was actually gorgeous which is such a shame. imagine how the ai “artists” will become in the future if they are already having this amazing quality now. its so sick. people should learn how to draw instead of js making an ai do it. learn for yourself or dont learn at all
Unfortunately some people are to lazy to do it, or just want to do the quick way without having the will to go learn it slowly like everyone do.
Yup. I was struggling a lot with drawing manga-style heads, and realized part of my problem was being terrible at drawing circles. So, I got a cheap little sketch pad and started practicing circles daily. I'm up to 19 days so far and can already do near-perfect circles in less than 15 seconds. And I only practiced around 3-5 minutes a day. You really can get massive improvement over time with small consistent steps of practice.
@@McJorneil Kudos to you man, drawing heads are hard. It's a shame people practically don't even want to make effort at this point.
@@eikonokitsune it really sucks that it has to be that way. i cant believe im even saying this like “maybe tracing wasnt so bad” nowadays. art is a skill theres no easy way of going about it. i wish people grow up and learn themselves. if they really want to be an artist you have to work for it
@@temuminmin Yeah, i agree but unfortunately nowadays people are looking forward to go with the most easy and lazy route to go instead of work hard to master it. 😔💨
Honestly, when i saw the title, my mind immedietly went to ai "artists"
sigh...it's getting alarming!
i actually appreciate that he's calling them fake artists instead of ai artists, cause it emphasizes how they're not really artists
Most people that call them self artist just make pictures not art.
And they can't even say it's about "time" or "skill". I saw someone make a prompt for CHILDREN's drawings. And they still don't look right.
9:30 As someone whose art was stolen in highschool, I feel for those trying to prove themselves. My teacher did not believe me and my other classmates did not "snitch" on who did it (it wasn't just one person from what I could tell), I have trust issues from then since. I have anxiety when sharing any art to the public.
its horrible how some real artists are so underrated and they barely get visibility and then ai artists are everywhere. why is everything the opposite as it should be
Good! At least people that can't draw can now be recognized
@@RubiAkito being recognized for....what exatly?
@@laurentbial2055 For at least being able to make something
@@RubiAkito i don't know if that's something to be proud, really. As they don't really created it. Always the easy route and fast "succes" yeah? Meanwhile a lot a young artists struggle to improve their work and don't find their first creations good enough...
@@RubiAkito espacially since its something nearly anyone can do, i don't think ai art is worth of revognition. Personally i don't dislike the existence of AI, as a tool and only that.
honestly dont think ill post my art online ever again tbh
:(
Not even on a personal website? You could Glaze everything and create your own space that way
@@Window4503 It's a nice idea but honestly all of this AI shit has just sucked the fun out, it's demoralizing. Sharing art online is for much braver people than me lmao
@@Window4503 Glaze is easily bypassed.
@@PongoFreake no fears. it's okay. as long as you continue making art, the skills will stick with you and humans will hopefully retain these very important skills even into the future. you don't need to be famous to keep a piece of humanity alive.
The fact that Discord and Reddit are technically better than Twitter and TikTok for artists speaks volume.
6:57 "Art is art, this is a weird post to make"
My brother in christ, this is not art. What makes a drawing into art is the thought and emotion it conveys and evokes. An algorithm has no such thing to show. That makes it only an algorithmic approximation of other real art.
You add the thought and emotion into the input prompt 😉
For real tho, all art is an approximation of some existing idea. Mutations going all the way back to cave paintings. I don’t think "artists" appreciate how derivative they truly are. Your lived experience is no different than an AI’s model dataset. If you grew up in a cave you could never make the Mona Lisa
bro i hate ai generated art whenever i try to look for reference images like hair IT IS ALL AI LIKE I HATE IT I WANT REAL ANIME ACTUAL ART
Maybe you have to take screenshots directly from animes at this point, oof 😭
If anyone's using Google, using -"" will exclude whatever's in the quotation mark. -"ai", -"stablediffusion", and -"midjourney" should block a few ai images.
For Pinterest, go to your settings in your profile, and select tune your home page. Uncheck the images you don't want Pinterest to recommend you. Saving a few human illustrations to your pin should also help.
Quit making such a fuss
@@DrZeddy-wo5fdso you’re not an artist huh, it’s used by lazy people who constantly insult and put down people who legitimately work hard on their art, as well as taking credit for the work by doing nothing.
You mean prompt engineers, they dont deserve to be even called fake artists
do you think they use an ai for the prompt too
@@katakombejc probably
Better than posting a lame stickman and calling it good
@@RubiAkito do you give your stickfigures crazy ass hair and emotional trauma?
@@RubiAkito A lame stickman that was made out of a want to actually create will always have more value than a pretty generated image. Oh hey did you know that ai generation takes 1.8 to 12 liters of water for ONE prompt? Hmh yea. I will always value a lame stickman over someone actively harming the environment
whoever tries to hire these character designers is going to have a rough time.
"make this a little different" is going to be a very very hard thing for them to do, as it's not precise, and in my opinion, never will be.
Exactly. AI might get you 90% of the way there to exactly what you want. But you're still going to have to pick up a stylus pen for that last 10%. And as with many projects, the last 10% is where 90% of time, effort, and skill is spent.
some company did that and the Art director was having a tough time with them. they were useless. and just bloated the staff. i think the AI peeps got fired after.
You know nothing of the Ai the companies use. Those parts can easily be fixed with ai too. This is the worst thing about this. Forget the stupid braindeads of twitter. In the actual world, HUNDREDS of real illustrators and artists have been laid off(like me) companies in favor of ai. Its being used rn and most people dont even know it. And companies pay for Ai software, that is specifically written for that particular company so they dont commit theft. There is no point in being a commercial artist anymore😔
Nope. You can fix these mistakes easily with specifically written ai software. You need phyton coding skills but most companies pay to have a software made for them. It’s cheaper to pay for Software to generate art than to pay an in-house artist. Sincerely, one of hundreds of artists in europe being laid off
@sarasoryu
That’s so sad.. though it was inevitable for something like that to happen. Can you tell me what companies are using AI for their works? I don’t want to support companies like that and if there’s enough people who say they think AI usage is gross then maybe things can change for commercial artists..?
the toxicity has to stop bro
i stop posting my art on x awhile ago. I had to reminds me exactly what you said. i can create whatever i want and i have fun doing it ^^
As someone that can't go to in person events the only way I can enjoy art is through the internet. Now I have to deal with wannabe artists stealing hard earned work from others to look good and sometimes for money. Honestly this is just disgusting. I see no nonviolent way of stopping ai so I guess it is just here to stay. and the newer generation will no longer know true art.