Penguin dying with the black goo coming from his mouth was too much for sponsors HENCE FUCKING OVER THE FRANCHISE for french fries. BATMAN CONTINUES < BATMAN FOREVER
Kevin Smith n his friend getting high pointing out plot holes n dumb shit in the movie dunno why ppl are mad I thought it was funny as hell and I still love Batman Returns
I would say that the reason Selina has the neon "hello there" sign is because 1. Shes lonely and it welcomes her everyday when she gets in from work. 2. Theres something a little sleazy about neon, so it's a nice little detail because it hints at something darker to her character that hasn't yet manifested.
Yes, exactly. Also, did you notice the sign was essentially in view of a window? So to me, she is saying hello there to whoever looks through that window, thus emphasizing her loneliness and her want to connect to others. I thought that was a brilliant touch.
Just makes me even sadder that he's no longer with us. Dude really was legitimately one of the absolute best actors to ever live. If he were still around maybe he would've found himself landing a role in The Batman, perhaps even as the Penguin (although Colin Farrell did a fantastic job portraying him as an old school mobster--possibly my favorite incarnation of the Penguin yet). To think of all the wonderful performances we've been robbed of with his passing just continues to break my heart. At least his legacy will live on though, and imo his son Cooper already seems to have some of the same chops after seeing his debut role in Licorice Pizza.
I saw Batman Returns when i was 9 years old, and loved it. With repeated viewings as an adult, it kind of depreciates. I still like Batman Returns over Batman Forever,
Brian Paul I'm exactly the opposite. I managed to make it opening night to Batman Returns. I left the theater thinking not bad, but definitely not as good as the original. It was only till it was released on home video and after many viewings... It became my favorite of the franchise.
+Schush Returns is one of my favorites, along with the 1989 movie and the Chris Nolan movies (Love begins and The Dark Knight, thought The Dark Knight Rises was good, but thought it could have been a little bit better though).
@@angelusgnz5784 Negative, Burton is a bitch don't get me wrong but Uma Thurman was never hot enough to be Poison Ivy and squandering Heart of Ice was pathetic. The only thing right in that film was the 90s BTAS style Robin and Bat girl as 20 somethings This at least probably has the best looking Catwoman that actually uses a whip and the Penguin is still using umbrella weapons. Plenty wrong here as well but Batman and Robin could have been a direct to video without using any big name actors, hell all of BTAS even the WB years were better than that.
20:42 the script Kevin is referring to is in fact the very first draft of Batman II, written by Sam Hamm. It was too much like a traditional Batman story and Tim Burton rejected it. It is actually pretty cool.
I have never seen Kevin Smith as funny as he is in these movie commentary things. He is fucking funny as hell in these all high and shit. Lol. I also love how Kevin’s Walken sounds like Arnold and the other dude’s walken sounds like Dracula. Haha
Batman 89 is like a steak dinner with mash potatoes, green beans, and a glass of water. Batman Returns is like the pastry dessert with loads of whipped cream, chocolate sauce, almonds, and the cherry on top that you KNOW has no nutritional value but you just eat gobs of it anyway because its just so goddamned delicious 😄🤣😂
Then Batman Forever is like the after-dinner bottle of whiskey, and Batman and Robin is like the drunken party where people are puking and throwing food at each other. 😁
@@dreamlandnightmare thank you. The sudden praise for this movie really confuses me. This is literally the Batman movie I remembered least after seeing it. I actually rank it and Forever very close regarding the 89 and 90s Batman movies
I love hearing this commentary for this movie and I agree with some points but Batman Returns will always be my favorite Batman movie of the original four. And I cannot wait for them to do Batman and Robin because we can't get to the Dark Knight trilogy without going through the horror of 1997.
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with this review, because it is wildly known that Kevin has a personal beef with Tim Burton, and some of that will no doubt rub off onto this review. I find Kevin entertaining, and funny at times but I don't trust his judgement on films. Plus I love Batman Returns, and no one would dare make me feel otherwise about it.
It's more of a Tim Burton film than a Batman movie, far more than the first Batman. Danny Elfman is let off his leash, and the movie obsesses with villains in sewers and some bad pseudo-feminism coming out of Pfeiffer's mouth. I like the movie, but the flaws make it an ugly baby.
Peter Gorman I think it is more expressionistic than the first film, and I agree it has more of Tim Burton in it, but that's not a bad thing in my book.
@@GetToDaChoppa-k5r This isn't a review? It's a commentary track where they discuss and make jokes about the movie. I would say most of the criticisms are valid from a logic and writing standpoint. Tim Burton was never a master when it comes to narrative.
@@PeterG00000 I disagree, it's totally a Batman movie. The aesthetic of Gotham, the looks for the characters, a derranged Bruce Wayne...it's 100% Batman to me.
This wasn't shot at Pinewood studios. It was shot on soundstages in the back lot of WB and Penguin's lair was shot on a soundstage at Universal Studios.
@tapset47 bro, this is Tim Burton world where everything is heightened. Catwoman was kind of mutant in her own right and he made the joker the murderer of the Waynes. This was the 80s early 90s, don't over think it, just enjoy the results.
Whooooooaaaaaa. Your channel was just recommended for me and I have hit the motherlode. Appreciate the uploads. I've got a good reason to go back through all these movies again.
+Angelina Krueger All the reasons why I love it! I'm really hoping the current DCCU sticks to that dark colorless tone.
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+FestArc Burton's Batman is the golden age Batman. Schumacher's was the Eisenhower Batman and TV Batman, Nolan's was 70's-modern Batman. Snyder's (unfortunate) Batman is 80's Batman.
@ Burton's movies took inspiration from Batman's first publishing year. Batman Forever was the golden age just after Robin's introduction when the tone lightened considerably.
It's about a Penguin who has basically nothing in common with the comic book character beyond the name though. Secondly it's about Catwoman, who also bears little resemblance to the original character and has been given a really inexplicable origin. So Batman/Bruce Wayne is basically third banana in his own movie, and has to share that spot with Max Schreck. I also think it works for what it is though, a weird Burton fantasy movie about freaks only barely disguised as a Batman movie.
Eirik W There's no original character when it comes to Catwoman. The inspiration came from the Miller years, along with the graphic novel "Her Sister's Keeper." The Penguin never had a back story. Batman has gone through a million incarnations. There's no official version. Nearly every scene from "Returns" comes from the comic books. Check out Batman Online. Google "Comic Influences On Batman Returns (1992)". It's 8 pages, scene by scene. Google "From Comic To Pfeiffer's Cat" as well.
HipsterBlood The Penguin certainly wasn't a grotesque deformed sewer freak in the comics though. Making up an origin for a character that doesn't have one is fine, but if you're changing almost everything we did know about him as well you're better off just making up a new character or going with another established villain (and Batman has such a famously excellent rogues gallery). They kept the name, shortness, suit and umbrella and that's literally it. Not enough in my book. My big problem with the Catwoman origin is that it made no sense even for a movie that doesn't go for realism (which is fine). What the hell happened to her? She fell to her death, was licked by a bunch of cats and came back to life with superpowers. Huh? It's just baffling.
Not for nothing, but you don't see Bruce Wayne till about 15 minutes into The Dark Knight Rises and you don't see Batman till around the 40 minute mark. Just sayin.
Saw this film with my dad. Midway thru he fell asleep and was snoring really loud! Talk about embarrassed, but I've seen worse films and liked em! Kevin your hilarious dude, I can imagine chillin out in your dope ass living room getting stoned and talking about movies. It would be awesome!
Batman Returns is the only true film adaptation of Batman where one artists aesthetic works in synthesis to the source material to create something truly unique and amazing, which is the reason why it's my favourite Batman movie of the eight released as of 2022. For those saying Batman Returns wasn't close to comics are missing the whole point of what a true adaptation should be, which is creating your vision rather then somebody else's vision of what Batman and the Gotham City world should be. Lastly the actual creators of the Batman mythology, Bob Kane and even more so Bill Finger both stopped working on Batman by 1964 so everything after that was just someone else's take of their original vision for Batman.
There's a difference between creating your own vision of the source material and totally abandoning the spirit of the source material. The Nolan trilogy is his distinct vision of Batman, but it still stays true to the spirit of Batman. This is just a Tim Burton movie that happens to feature Batman characters.
@@dreamlandnightmareMy original post just went over your head swoosh and "stays true to the spirit of Batman" 😀you literally don't know what you're talking about if you think that. Try reading some of the early Batman comics and the Burton films are far closer to the spirit of those them plus he had the actual creator of Batman on set and gained his approval. The Nolan Trilogy has zilch to do with the origins of batman and were just a James Bond film mixed with a Michael Mann film to create a very polished but rather soulless films.
Elfman's theme was used in Animated Series because the studio said so. It was just that well-known. The cartoon's producers just wanted Shirley Walker's music, but they had to give in.
This Marc Bernardin. My god he sounds exactly like Frank Welker (his natural voice). The guy who did the animated voices of Megatron and Freddie from Scooby-Doo and many many others. I thought through the whole commentary I was listening to Frank.
benway20 fuck that. The Burton ones are goddamn solid. This is probably the best Batman movie, and I'll take either two Burton ones, any day of the week before the Nolan ones. Bales Batman voice is sooo laughably bad, it distracts from that movies.
I gotta be honest man I kinda do prefer to watch these over the Nolan films. I love the Nolan films but I also love 89 and Returns. To me the movies are almost like reading different stories with different art, everyone has their own take on the characters.
Penguin being the "evil Moses" part cracked me up! Great listen. Good points about Schreck wanting to put Penguin as the mayor, since it really makes no sense. This film has several plot holes when you re-watch it several times, though I still like it for the style.
I was 12 in '89 and I LOVED Batman. the 3 years wait for Batman Returns was HELL. and then I hated the movie. It snapped me out of my batman obsession. I never understood why people defended it. I thought watching this would help me see what i was missing... but shit, you guys make all the same points I had all these years. I maintain Batman Forever is better than Batman Returns.
What did they expect? Tim was a goth in high school, but he was on best behavior on Batman '89. On Batman Returns, he abandoned all self-restraint and put all his goth sensibilities into the movie and hired his goth friends. I mean, Siouxsie and the Banshees appeared on the soundtrack after all. But that's fine with me, I like the movie as a stand-alone art experiment, but I agree it cheated Batman fans out of a film loyal to the franchise.
Realize KS is a comedian first... He even states in the Batman commentary that he stole alot of technique from that movie. He may seem like he is tearing into the movies, but its obvious he really loves them. He knows these movies like the back of his hand and as I said, he's a comedian first. I haven't listened to this whole commentary yet, but if you listen with a light heart this is pretty damn hilarious. Same with the first.
@@roughcity1859 I like the attempts to quasi be more serious than the 60s which meant a lot in 89 but Tim Burton is a trash niche director. Always trying to make evil people normal everyday schlubs, always taking these weird shots at normal society and portraying them in some ultra weird John Waters-esque light, and of course clearly hating the source material not because it needed to get more realistic but because it wasn't freaky enough. These two films created BTAS but they are also why BTAS beats them into the ground because BTAS was basically a realistic Batman in a dark deco world.
24:36 - The reason Selina Kyle has the neon 'Hello There' sign on her wall is that when she later transforms into Catwoman and returns to her apartment, she defiantly smashes and burns out the 'o' in 'Hello' and the 'T' in 'There' thereby making the sign appear to say 'Hell here' - a sort of symbolic contrast to her previous happy and welcoming life as opposed to her newly evil persona.
Well no, it's why was it there in the first place. Did she buy that knowing that someday she'd transform into Catwoman and then have the opportunity to smash it? There's no reason for Selena Kyle, prior to her transformation, to own that dumb sign.
@@whitesneeks4499 It was there as a piece of decorative art that Selena Kyle apparently liked for some reason - sort of like a cross between a 'Welcome' door mat and a tacky neon beer sign. But obviously, Tim Burton and his set decorators put it there for the purpose of subtly illustrating Selena Kyle's dual personality.
I really like _Batman Returns_ and I also like this commentary. _Returns_ has a lot of narrative issues worth pointing out and making fun of but that doesn't mean I can't still enjoy it as a movie. Burton really only was in it for depicting freaks and doesn't care so much about the stories. I watched the behind the scenes videos of Tim Burton actually wearing a *fuckin' beret* while directing this movie. It's not hard to laugh at some of Burton's "weird, tortured artist" quirks while he's making a superhero film.
Yeah I'm not a Smith fan I love Batman Returns but as I get older it gets harder to watch you can tell this is a Burton film compared to the 1st one where Peters and Giber kept him grounded.
Lol if Kevin was upset about Batman not showing up for 15 mins then I'd love to hear him when Batman doesn't show up for 55 MINUTES in The Dark Knight Rises
+iHatebologna59 Nah, he's a fan he's just a comedian. I love both Burton Batman films but these are fun to watch with this commentary track rolling. I love it. Jersey Girl had its moments that needed lampooning, too.
I think Kevin's criticisms are very funny and very valid. However, I love Batman Returns. I love the absurdity of this movie and the melancholy. I love Christopher Walken as Max Shreck, I love Danny's grotesque Penguin. There are some bad lines in this movie but there are also really funny lines. Also, Michael Keaton for me is the best Batman by a mile.
***** oh, i love the arkham games, but i was referring to the Batman Returns game for the Super Nintendo; and when I say "one of the best" I mean for its time.
The penguin did kind of suck in this film. Tim Burton should not have made him a mutant, most do not know that Penguin was a human and had 5 fingers. this was the first movie to have penguin with those weird ass webbed hands, and then the cartoon copied it, and so on. i felt this movie was a little too dark and depressing, but it was still pretty good.
Oswald's Depression there's some things I don't like about Gotham, especially at first, but I like the penguin in Gotham, I think he's a very interesting and manipulative character. Way more like the future head mobster he was in the comics
Oswald in Gotham is beyond amazing. He is such a badass determined intelligent cunning character in that show. And this is him starting out. I cannot even begin to imagine what he's going to be like when Batman comes along.
@1:55:42 Man I'll never forget the collective " Ughh.." groan my theater audience made when Penguin emerged from the water 😂...As a lot of people obviously thought they were finally done seeing him and ready to go home 😂. I don't care, lol... I still low key love this movie, all of it's weirdness, and Burtonization of it's characters....
Alrighty, i think i just pi55ed EVERYBODY'S pants and I've found a new channel to plunder. Thanks Kevin and chum, you two chaps wrung some laughter out of a generally 5hitty time for everyone. I salute you. This is the best time I've had listening to someone shred a movie that i enjoy.
@bigevilworldwide1 you think both the Burton films are a about Batman? He's barely in it he's just jostling for position against Joker, Catwoman, Penquin and Max Shreck. He murders looters, fails to stop multiple crimes, cant fight and none of the movies make a lick of sense. Lay of the crack pipe son.
Ryan Kirk Claiming that Batman and Batman Returns are not Batman movies is nonsense. Batman's not speaking much and making big speeches and spouting one-liners because Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton wanted to keep Batman mysterious and eerily silent. Batman Returns writer Daniel Waters said "He's the only actor I know who would go through my script that goes 'I should say less here, I should say less here.' I had so many angry Batman rant speeches and he's like, 'Batman would never say that. Batman should just say this line right here.'" Batman was created in 1939 as a mysterious character modeled after the Shadow. Tim Burton also stayed true to the basic iconic looks of the characters and embraced the fantastical, surreal expressionistic nature of Batman, Joker, etc. with it's roots in German expressionist Gothic horror films like The Man Who Laughs, The Bat, and the Shadow pulps which has it's roots in Dracula. German expressionism/horror movie elements and noir are part of Batman material. He's using elements that are part of the material while making Batman movies.
thecooooolcat Ehh I guess your right this movie is like Batman mixed with A nightmare before Christmas. I take back saying its not a Batman movie what so ever, but I never said the first one didn't feel like a Batman movie.. Putting words in my mouth now that's nonsense..
thegooseman he probably influenced that idea. I feel like they probably just stole his idea lol less of a prediction and more of wb just took the idea.
Hoping someone can clarify the video description: so there's no synching involved? I literally just start playing this commentary at the same time starting up the movie?
Best Batman movie to Worst Batman movie: 1. *Batman Begins* (I love the journey of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman) 2. *Batman Returns* (I enjoy the weirdness and distinctiveness of it) 3. *The Dark Knight* (I like the attempt to make a mature, thoughtful take on the superhero genre; but the story doesn't quite grab me like the first Nolan movie) 4. *Batman* '89(I like the Joker and the production design, but it's a little clunky in action and storytelling) 5. *The Dark Knight Rises* (some nice elements, but the storytelling is rushed, cluttered and frustrating) 6. *Batman and Robin* (I enjoy the awfulness of absolutely everything in this - it's hilarious) 7. *Batman* '66 (I'm fond of the goofiness of the show, but it works best in 25 minute installments) 8. *Batman Forever* (less enjoyable than Batman and Robin because it's an unsatisfying mix of some good things and lots of campy awful things) 9. *Batman v. Superman* (bleurgh!)
i sat down after work to watch this movie with the commentary from smith. I found it hilarious and entertaining. I remember watching this movie in the theater when it was released with my family, and me and my older brother both felt super mixed and at the time, didnt really understand tim burtons humor (which the humor is all over the place in this) and tendency to fail in certain area's of the film. But as much of devito's work as the peguin, i wish he was more English scholar like they portrayed the penguin in the animated series. probably the best penguin was from the burgess, and the animated show!. i still like watching this movie. but man, looking back at it, holy crap! how many writers went back and forth!, and how bad did the studio's intervene on this movie! out of all the suits that were made for batman (not including the nolan suit which was awesome) i liked this batman suit more here then i did the first one.
+Oswald's Depression have not had a chance to watch the gotham show yet. I like the noir look appeal they gave him. Chicago 40s slight gothic. other then that. I need to watch the show
It's such a good show, it's ungodly amazing at times. The first half is okay but has really good parts scattered here and there. Penguin's Umbrella is the best episode in the first part of the season. Episode 12 onwards is amazing. Oswald is definitely the best part of the show. As much as I love Penguin in Batman Returns, Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin is so much more badass and he gets more shit accomplished. True he gets smacked around a bit in the show, however the fact that he accomplishes alot makes up for the fact that he gets smacked around. The dude literally becomes ten percent more badass with every episode. And to think this is just him starting out. I can only imagine what he's going to be like by the final season of Gotham.
(SPOILERS) Both had inconsistent tones. whether it was penguin biting noses off and batman awkwardly fighting circus clowns w/ a goofy song playing in the background and penguin riding a duck or Gwen Stacy's fate and goofy Max Dillon and the German Doctor at Ravencroft. Both had too many villains with little time for each to develop. Max Shreck, penguin, catwoman Electro, Green Goblin, Rhino(barely) Both had too many sub plots going on w/ no basic plot. Oddly enough, I still enjoy batman returns. It's a guilty pleasure at best,
The Amazing Spider-man 2 is my favorite Spider-man movie followed closely by the original Spider-man 2 and my favorite Batman movie is Batman Returns (admittedly mostly from nostalgia) followed closely by The Dark Knight. So you can say that I like direct sequels numbered 2 lol. You made some interesting points though.
afqwcx I don't think many people agree on TASM2, but to each his own. You're on to something about movie number 2 in a superhero often being the best though. At that point they've gotten the origin out of the way and can get right down to business, they still have at least one or two of the best villains left, and they haven't started to run out of good ideas. The third one is often were they run into trouble. Examples: Superman 3, Batman Forever, Spider-Man 3, The Dark Knight Rises (I loved it as did a lot of people, but it was controversial).
I haven't looked through every single comment here, so someone may have already mentioned this (and if so, I apologize for the repeat of subject): Smith said he cannot understand the reason why Catwoman had the big "hello" sign in her apartment. I thought it was sort of like a silly little joke of forshadowing, as in "Hello Kitty". Of course, it also gave her the chance to change "hello there" to "hell here" during her little tantrum. I don't know. I like to be silly.
I've read some of the sam hamm draft for his version of batman returns and I've gotta say tim burton should have went with it but he wanted the film to be stand alone and that's unfortunate he should have had one carry into the other like Nolan did with his series
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Man every few years I literally burn through all these commentaries in what seems like a couple hours total. They never get old. Love these 2 to death
2 annoying clowns who nitpick every microscopic thing about the movie with little rhyme or reason? What's entertaining about that?
The ones he did with Mosier are so much better than the ones with Mark. Not hate to him or anything.
Whoever the second guy is stinks
@@MiniMugenMandid he do ones with Mosier besides his own films? (And Roadhouse)
I’m dying for more tracks
THERE WAS A HAPPY MEAL ATTACHED TO THIS MOVIE!
The happiest meal of all
Love that 😂
The raw fillet o fish? 😂
Penguin dying with the black goo coming from his mouth was too much for sponsors HENCE FUCKING OVER THE FRANCHISE for french fries. BATMAN CONTINUES < BATMAN FOREVER
Batman wasn’t The Night back then, the god dam Batmania was😆👍
Wow, Kevin's Philip Seymour Hoffman impression is really damn good, and right off the cuff. Love it!
The Philip Seymour Hoffman impression is so goddam good and funny
Kevin Smith's impression of Alfred is hilarious. All his impressions are dead-on.
His phillip seymour hoffman is perfect
Kevin Smith n his friend getting high pointing out plot holes n dumb shit in the movie dunno why ppl are mad I thought it was funny as hell and I still love Batman Returns
Holiday Styles Exactly. Love the movie, laughed my ass off at the commentary.
I actually don't like this movie BUT I love this commentary
“Thanks for saving the city again, Batman. I’ll suck it for ya!” 😂😂
I would say that the reason Selina has the neon "hello there" sign is because 1. Shes lonely and it welcomes her everyday when she gets in from work. 2. Theres something a little sleazy about neon, so it's a nice little detail because it hints at something darker to her character that hasn't yet manifested.
Yes, exactly. Also, did you notice the sign was essentially in view of a window? So to me, she is saying hello there to whoever looks through that window, thus emphasizing her loneliness and her want to connect to others. I thought that was a brilliant touch.
She's meant to be a prissy girly girl with her soft toys, dolls house and pink walls. The neon sign is girly and also deliberately tacky.
ddid u notice after she breaks everything it says hell here .. im pretty sure it was jus there to make tht happen
This is by far the funniest of the four commentary tracks. Simply hilarious.
I'm stuck between this and Forever where they keep making Chris O'Donnell older every time they bring him up
43:00 I have to admit, Smith's Philip Seymour Hoffman impression and his idea for the penguin character are great.
would've been simply Amazing!
Just makes me even sadder that he's no longer with us. Dude really was legitimately one of the absolute best actors to ever live. If he were still around maybe he would've found himself landing a role in The Batman, perhaps even as the Penguin (although Colin Farrell did a fantastic job portraying him as an old school mobster--possibly my favorite incarnation of the Penguin yet). To think of all the wonderful performances we've been robbed of with his passing just continues to break my heart. At least his legacy will live on though, and imo his son Cooper already seems to have some of the same chops after seeing his debut role in Licorice Pizza.
The Batman Before Christmas
Batman Scissorhands
The scene with Bruce and Selena at the party with masks is still the best scene in the movie.
When they both realize the others alter-ego? That's one of the best scenes & setups in any movie. Brilliant storytelling.
“A kids can be even deadlier if you mean it”. Such good dialogue in that scene
@@JeighNeitherI wished the Penguin wasn’t in this movie and it was just Bruce and Selina
Honestly... it's probably my favorite scene of any comic book movie :o
Stanley Kubrick saw that scene and was like “I can use this”
Kevin's Philip Seymour Hoffman was perfect may he rest in peace
I agree with Smith about how awesome that version of the Penguin would have been.
Jonah Hill is who I'd cast now.
I saw Batman Returns when i was 9 years old, and loved it. With repeated viewings as an adult, it kind of depreciates. I still like Batman Returns over Batman Forever,
Brian Paul I'm exactly the opposite.
I managed to make it opening night to Batman Returns. I left the theater thinking not bad, but definitely not as good as the original.
It was only till it was released on home video and after many viewings... It became my favorite of the franchise.
+Schush Returns is one of my favorites, along with the 1989 movie and the Chris Nolan movies (Love begins and The Dark Knight, thought The Dark Knight Rises was good, but thought it could have been a little bit better though).
+Brian Paul Yeah Kevin's way too hard on them.
I won't lie.
I love this film for seemingly the exact reasons they don't.
And I'm hurtin'
This movie rocks! Spooky acrobatic clowns and mostly practical effects. Makes the next two movies quite cringe-worthy by comparison.
@@wstage batman returns is probably worse than batman & robin
That's that jabroni life
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@@angelusgnz5784 Negative, Burton is a bitch don't get me wrong but Uma Thurman was never hot enough to be Poison Ivy and squandering Heart of Ice was pathetic. The only thing right in that film was the 90s BTAS style Robin and Bat girl as 20 somethings
This at least probably has the best looking Catwoman that actually uses a whip and the Penguin is still using umbrella weapons. Plenty wrong here as well but Batman and Robin could have been a direct to video without using any big name actors, hell all of BTAS even the WB years were better than that.
Fun Fact. Max Schreck's son Chip was Butterfinger in Hudson Hawk.
DS2 is that a fact or just a Wikipedia entry?
And zangief in Street fighter
@SDallstar Holt shit. If that's true he's the best character actor ever.
20:42 the script Kevin is referring to is in fact the very first draft of Batman II, written by Sam Hamm. It was too much like a traditional Batman story and Tim Burton rejected it. It is actually pretty cool.
I have never seen Kevin Smith as funny as he is in these movie commentary things. He is fucking funny as hell in these all high and shit. Lol.
I also love how Kevin’s Walken sounds like Arnold and the other dude’s walken sounds like Dracula. Haha
Batman 89 is like a steak dinner with mash potatoes, green beans, and a glass of water. Batman Returns is like the pastry dessert with loads of whipped cream, chocolate sauce, almonds, and the cherry on top that you KNOW has no nutritional value but you just eat gobs of it anyway because its just so goddamned delicious 😄🤣😂
Then Batman Forever is like the after-dinner bottle of whiskey, and Batman and Robin is like the drunken party where people are puking and throwing food at each other. 😁
I liken Batman Returns more to weird mixture of sweet and sour that is ultimately unfilling.
@@dreamlandnightmare thank you. The sudden praise for this movie really confuses me. This is literally the Batman movie I remembered least after seeing it. I actually rank it and Forever very close regarding the 89 and 90s Batman movies
Batman & Robin would have to be all the way down to the full diabetic coma 😆
Lethal drinking game: a shot every time he says “and shit like that”. Salud
I love hearing this commentary for this movie and I agree with some points but Batman Returns will always be my favorite Batman movie of the original four. And I cannot wait for them to do Batman and Robin because we can't get to the Dark Knight trilogy without going through the horror of 1997.
The horror of being a better Batman being than Dark Knight Rises and Batman v Superman?
@@ch2010ize Agreed
"Those are just livin' gloves." is one of the most delightfully absurd sentences I've ever heard.
"im gonna find her, im gonna hurt her" lolol
HAPPINESS
this is my favourite batman movie of the old series, and kevins really tearing it a new one..
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with this review, because it is wildly known that Kevin has a personal beef with Tim Burton, and some of that will no doubt rub off onto this review. I find Kevin entertaining, and funny at times but I don't trust his judgement on films. Plus I love Batman Returns, and no one would dare make me feel otherwise about it.
It's more of a Tim Burton film than a Batman movie, far more than the first Batman. Danny Elfman is let off his leash, and the movie obsesses with villains in sewers and some bad pseudo-feminism coming out of Pfeiffer's mouth. I like the movie, but the flaws make it an ugly baby.
Peter Gorman I think it is more expressionistic than the first film, and I agree it has more of Tim Burton in it, but that's not a bad thing in my book.
@@GetToDaChoppa-k5r This isn't a review? It's a commentary track where they discuss and make jokes about the movie. I would say most of the criticisms are valid from a logic and writing standpoint. Tim Burton was never a master when it comes to narrative.
@@PeterG00000 I disagree, it's totally a Batman movie. The aesthetic of Gotham, the looks for the characters, a derranged Bruce Wayne...it's 100% Batman to me.
THIS MOVIE HAS A HAPPY MEAL ATTACHED TO IT!!! lol😂
This wasn't shot at Pinewood studios. It was shot on soundstages in the back lot of WB and Penguin's lair was shot on a soundstage at Universal Studios.
Never realized the absurdity of Penguin running for Mayor until I listened to this. Hilarious.
tapset47 or a “sea pig” according to Kevin smith lol 😂
@tapset47 bro, this is Tim Burton world where everything is heightened. Catwoman was kind of mutant in her own right and he made the joker the murderer of the Waynes. This was the 80s early 90s, don't over think it, just enjoy the results.
Wow. R u kidding lol. The whole point is how crazy it is
criminals running for office is more realistic than you think
Jean, but in french it was four years ago when I said that, seems pretty realistic now.
Laughed all the way through. Brilliant
Indeed
I love this film, and I still have to admit, this is a funny commentary.
Whooooooaaaaaa. Your channel was just recommended for me and I have hit the motherlode.
Appreciate the uploads. I've got a good reason to go back through all these movies again.
It was important to point out how little batman screentime there was.
I've listened to this about 10 time's and I still piss myself laughing too much
I'm watching this in sync with the movie and cracking up
+AttentionJunkie I know it's friggin hilarious. I quote this commentary every time I watch Batman Returns XD
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For those just starting the commentary 43:00 is the best Philip Seymour Hoffman impression.
R JAY MOLINA yes
I came here looking for some kind hearted human to have posted the Philip Seymour Hoffman time mark and I was not disappointed 🙏
Incredible. Thx.
This is my favorite Batman movie. It's just so crazy and weird. I love it.
+Angelina Krueger All the reasons why I love it! I'm really hoping the current DCCU sticks to that dark colorless tone.
+FestArc Burton's Batman is the golden age Batman. Schumacher's was the Eisenhower Batman and TV Batman, Nolan's was 70's-modern Batman. Snyder's (unfortunate) Batman is 80's Batman.
@ Hack Snyder's movie is the garbage Batman. Great costume and look, ruined by a horrendous movie.
@ Burton's movies took inspiration from Batman's first publishing year. Batman Forever was the golden age just after Robin's introduction when the tone lightened considerably.
Id watch returns over almost any other batman movie
i want him to do commentaries for Nolan's DK trilogy, and the old '66 Batman Movie.
+Daniel John Clement Oh yes! I would pay cash for that!
I know this comment is a few years old, but Kevin and Marc have done BATMAN BEGINS since then...they haven't done the others yet though.
tapset47 hit me for the fatman on batman archive 👀
I get Smith's criticisms because the movie isn't really about Batman. It's about the Penguin but in a weird way I think it works tremendously.
It's about a Penguin who has basically nothing in common with the comic book character beyond the name though. Secondly it's about Catwoman, who also bears little resemblance to the original character and has been given a really inexplicable origin. So Batman/Bruce Wayne is basically third banana in his own movie, and has to share that spot with Max Schreck.
I also think it works for what it is though, a weird Burton fantasy movie about freaks only barely disguised as a Batman movie.
Eirik W There's no original character when it comes to Catwoman. The inspiration came from the Miller years, along with the graphic novel "Her Sister's Keeper." The Penguin never had a back story. Batman has gone through a million incarnations. There's no official version. Nearly every scene from "Returns" comes from the comic books. Check out Batman Online. Google "Comic Influences On Batman Returns (1992)". It's 8 pages, scene by scene. Google "From Comic To Pfeiffer's Cat" as well.
HipsterBlood The Penguin certainly wasn't a grotesque deformed sewer freak in the comics though. Making up an origin for a character that doesn't have one is fine, but if you're changing almost everything we did know about him as well you're better off just making up a new character or going with another established villain (and Batman has such a famously excellent rogues gallery). They kept the name, shortness, suit and umbrella and that's literally it. Not enough in my book.
My big problem with the Catwoman origin is that it made no sense even for a movie that doesn't go for realism (which is fine). What the hell happened to her? She fell to her death, was licked by a bunch of cats and came back to life with superpowers. Huh? It's just baffling.
said no one ever
"ROSEBUUUUUUUDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!"
"Batman RETURNS to his own movie every 18 minutes,, that's why they called it that" 😅
Not for nothing, but you don't see Bruce Wayne till about 15 minutes into The Dark Knight Rises and you don't see Batman till around the 40 minute mark. Just sayin.
That movie sucks.
@@pleaserewind295 Institutionalized disappointment.
Yeah, and that's easily the worst of those three.
On one of the shows, they did the percentage of Batman on screen in each film. None was more than like 25 minutes of Batman.
Saw this film with my dad. Midway thru he fell asleep and was snoring really loud! Talk about embarrassed, but I've seen worse films and liked em! Kevin your hilarious dude, I can imagine chillin out in your dope ass living room getting stoned and talking about movies. It would be awesome!
this movie was awesome
37:04 "Batman Returns to his own movie every 15 minutes"
Perfect 👌
I love Batman Returns.
28:00 that theme was used a few times in the series, also main thtme for the first animated movie Mask of the Phantasm
This was only published a few days before Philip Seymour Hoffman died. RIP the best penguin who never was.
And back in the day, there was fan casting PSH as Penguin back when we were all guessing which Villains were gonna be in the Nolan sequels.
Batman Returns is the only true film adaptation of Batman where one artists aesthetic works in synthesis to the source material to create something truly unique and amazing, which is the reason why it's my favourite Batman movie of the eight released as of 2022. For those saying Batman Returns wasn't close to comics are missing the whole point of what a true adaptation should be, which is creating your vision rather then somebody else's vision of what Batman and the Gotham City world should be. Lastly the actual creators of the Batman mythology, Bob Kane and even more so Bill Finger both stopped working on Batman by 1964 so everything after that was just someone else's take of their original vision for Batman.
There's a difference between creating your own vision of the source material and totally abandoning the spirit of the source material. The Nolan trilogy is his distinct vision of Batman, but it still stays true to the spirit of Batman. This is just a Tim Burton movie that happens to feature Batman characters.
@@dreamlandnightmareMy original post just went over your head swoosh and "stays true to the spirit of Batman" 😀you literally don't know what you're talking about if you think that. Try reading some of the early Batman comics and the Burton films are far closer to the spirit of those them plus he had the actual creator of Batman on set and gained his approval. The Nolan Trilogy has zilch to do with the origins of batman and were just a James Bond film mixed with a Michael Mann film to create a very polished but rather soulless films.
These Reviews Never get Old.
A 30 year old paperboy lol
Elfman's theme was used in Animated Series because the studio said so. It was just that well-known. The cartoon's producers just wanted Shirley Walker's music, but they had to give in.
This was an Amazing movie.
Cool post. Thanks. Brought back some good memories. 1992!
"Gotham Set'y"
"This is the gateway to Schumacher!"
Kevin's Phillip Seymour Hoffman impression was great!
spot on
This Marc Bernardin. My god he sounds exactly like Frank Welker (his natural voice). The guy who did the animated voices of Megatron and Freddie from Scooby-Doo and many many others. I thought through the whole commentary I was listening to Frank.
Catwoman got her powers through radioactive toxoplasmosis! Awesome Philip Seymour Hoffman impersonation!
I liked this commentary even though I loved this movie.
This commentary reinforces what I and others have been saying for years: The Burton Batman flicks have NOT aged well. At all.
benway20 fuck that. The Burton ones are goddamn solid. This is probably the best Batman movie, and I'll take either two Burton ones, any day of the week before the Nolan ones. Bales Batman voice is sooo laughably bad, it distracts from that movies.
+Jeffrey Rader I agree, Batman Returns is a work of genius.
Jeffrey Rader
Fuck that? Fuck you, buttwipe. The Burton films suck ass.
you're entitled to your opinion, but youre definitely in the minority. Most anyone you talk to will say Batman 89 is their favorite Batman.
Damn you people are butthurt. It's quite possible to both like this film in it's own right and laugh along with the criticisms.
Mark Arandjus I have a sharp pain on my asshole
@@scottwilliam3470 Deep
I gotta be honest man I kinda do prefer to watch these over the Nolan films. I love the Nolan films but I also love 89 and Returns. To me the movies are almost like reading different stories with different art, everyone has their own take on the characters.
It really had that comic book styling and Danny Elfman kills the score giving a theme to every character.
Penguin being the "evil Moses" part cracked me up! Great listen. Good points about Schreck wanting to put Penguin as the mayor, since it really makes no sense. This film has several plot holes when you re-watch it several times, though I still like it for the style.
I think its the best pre dark knight batman which isnt saying a whole lot but it definitely had problems
Plus who among us wouldn’t dream of crashing some bunch of rich asswhole’s party in a tank that resembles a cute bath toy? 😆
This Pinguin is perfect man, and for me this is one of the best Batman movies.
The only part he liked was Bruce standing up
1:00:15 So funny how he impersonates clueless Batman fighting Catwoman
1:12:56 Profiling
1:45:11 Kevin's favorite moment in Batman history
I was 12 in '89 and I LOVED Batman. the 3 years wait for Batman Returns was HELL. and then I hated the movie. It snapped me out of my batman obsession. I never understood why people defended it. I thought watching this would help me see what i was missing... but shit, you guys make all the same points I had all these years. I maintain Batman Forever is better than Batman Returns.
What did they expect? Tim was a goth in high school, but he was on best behavior on Batman '89. On Batman Returns, he abandoned all self-restraint and put all his goth sensibilities into the movie and hired his goth friends. I mean, Siouxsie and the Banshees appeared on the soundtrack after all. But that's fine with me, I like the movie as a stand-alone art experiment, but I agree it cheated Batman fans out of a film loyal to the franchise.
Realize KS is a comedian first... He even states in the Batman commentary that he stole alot of technique from that movie. He may seem like he is tearing into the movies, but its obvious he really loves them. He knows these movies like the back of his hand and as I said, he's a comedian first. I haven't listened to this whole commentary yet, but if you listen with a light heart this is pretty damn hilarious. Same with the first.
Tim Burton also bumped him off the Superman Lives project.
Batman Returns has a terrible screenplay.
@@roughcity1859 I like the attempts to quasi be more serious than the 60s which meant a lot in 89 but Tim Burton is a trash niche director. Always trying to make evil people normal everyday schlubs, always taking these weird shots at normal society and portraying them in some ultra weird John Waters-esque light, and of course clearly hating the source material not because it needed to get more realistic but because it wasn't freaky enough.
These two films created BTAS but they are also why BTAS beats them into the ground because BTAS was basically a realistic Batman in a dark deco world.
1:16:00 still happens to this day. “To this DAY” ;).
24:36 - The reason Selina Kyle has the neon 'Hello There' sign on her wall is that when she later transforms into Catwoman and returns to her apartment, she defiantly smashes and burns out the 'o' in 'Hello' and the 'T' in 'There' thereby making the sign appear to say 'Hell here' - a sort of symbolic contrast to her previous happy and welcoming life as opposed to her newly evil persona.
Right? That was an obvious setup that Kevin never calls out.
@@vipersquad And Kevin's usually an observant viewer when it comes to comic book or Star Wars related movies. He must've been having an 'off' day.
Well no, it's why was it there in the first place. Did she buy that knowing that someday she'd transform into Catwoman and then have the opportunity to smash it? There's no reason for Selena Kyle, prior to her transformation, to own that dumb sign.
@@whitesneeks4499 It was there as a piece of decorative art that Selena Kyle apparently liked for some reason - sort of like a cross between a 'Welcome' door mat and a tacky neon beer sign. But obviously, Tim Burton and his set decorators put it there for the purpose of subtly illustrating Selena Kyle's dual personality.
I really like _Batman Returns_ and I also like this commentary. _Returns_ has a lot of narrative issues worth pointing out and making fun of but that doesn't mean I can't still enjoy it as a movie. Burton really only was in it for depicting freaks and doesn't care so much about the stories. I watched the behind the scenes videos of Tim Burton actually wearing a *fuckin' beret* while directing this movie. It's not hard to laugh at some of Burton's "weird, tortured artist" quirks while he's making a superhero film.
+Jack Stickman! Absolutely agree. It struggles to be a 3-act narrative. nonetheless, I enjoy it.
Yeah I'm not a Smith fan I love Batman Returns but as I get older it gets harder to watch you can tell this is a Burton film compared to the 1st one where Peters and Giber kept him grounded.
how is it a shit movie you have shit taste
I loved this film
When Kev starts wondering about the Bat MOT on that Batmobile 🤣
Lol if Kevin was upset about Batman not showing up for 15 mins then I'd love to hear him when Batman doesn't show up for 55 MINUTES in The Dark Knight Rises
Fun fact: the guy who plays max shreks son also plays leatherface in the 2003 texas chainsaw massacre remake.
lunatiksAlterEgo He was also Lattimer from “The Program” and “Butterfinger” from “Hudson Hawk”
He's also Zangief in Street Fighter.
Tomdawg89 “Quick, change the channel!”
@@mcflyguy8873 lol yeah i remember him as butterfinger 😂😂
The nerve of the guy who wrote and directed "Jersey Girl" to shit on this movie...
+iHatebologna59 Nah, he's a fan he's just a comedian. I love both Burton Batman films but these are fun to watch with this commentary track rolling. I love it. Jersey Girl had its moments that needed lampooning, too.
The nerve of you to object to a persons subjective opinion...
The nerve of you to object to my objection to object his objects....
I still love this movie, it is far from great but I do love it
hahaha, that out loud reader part had me cracking up. lol
I prefer this to the Nolan movies by a wide margin.
God damn, now I can't not see how sparsely populated Gotham is. Still my favourite Batman movie and one of the best scores ever!
I think Kevin's criticisms are very funny and very valid. However, I love Batman Returns. I love the absurdity of this movie and the melancholy. I love Christopher Walken as Max Shreck, I love Danny's grotesque Penguin. There are some bad lines in this movie but there are also really funny lines. Also, Michael Keaton for me is the best Batman by a mile.
Some are valid, others are just nitpicks, misunderstanding the context, and factually wrong.
this movie did give way to one of the best Batman video games, at least there's that....
***** oh, i love the arkham games, but i was referring to the Batman Returns game for the Super Nintendo; and when I say "one of the best" I mean for its time.
Mcfly88 hell yeah i enjoyed playing it as a kid
Mcfly88 and one of the best batman movies - if not the best.
The penguin did kind of suck in this film. Tim Burton should not have made him a mutant, most do not know that Penguin was a human and had 5 fingers. this was the first movie to have penguin with those weird ass webbed hands, and then the cartoon copied it, and so on. i felt this movie was a little too dark and depressing, but it was still pretty good.
+owl316 What's your opinion on Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin from Gotham?
Oswald's Depression there's some things I don't like about Gotham, especially at first, but I like the penguin in Gotham, I think he's a very interesting and manipulative character. Way more like the future head mobster he was in the comics
Oswald in Gotham is beyond amazing. He is such a badass determined intelligent cunning character in that show. And this is him starting out. I cannot even begin to imagine what he's going to be like when Batman comes along.
Jay and Silent Bob should have stood up ala Bruce Wayne when Randal Graves ARRIVES ON CLERKS III...finally agreeing to the third movie
@1:55:42 Man I'll never forget the collective " Ughh.." groan my theater audience made when Penguin emerged from the water 😂...As a lot of people obviously thought they were finally done seeing him and ready to go home 😂. I don't care, lol... I still low key love this movie, all of it's weirdness, and Burtonization of it's characters....
Alrighty, i think i just pi55ed EVERYBODY'S pants and I've found a new channel to plunder. Thanks Kevin and chum, you two chaps wrung some laughter out of a generally 5hitty time for everyone. I salute you. This is the best time I've had listening to someone shred a movie that i enjoy.
I personally love both of the Tim Burton films over the Nolan trilogy.
@bigevilworldwide1 you think both the Burton films are a about Batman? He's barely in it he's just jostling for position against Joker, Catwoman, Penquin and Max Shreck. He murders looters, fails to stop multiple crimes, cant fight and none of the movies make a lick of sense. Lay of the crack pipe son.
This movie is a Tim Burton movie not a Batman movie what so ever but, I still love this film one of my favorite movies
Ryan Kirk Claiming that Batman and Batman Returns are not Batman movies is nonsense. Batman's not speaking much and making big speeches and spouting one-liners because Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton wanted to keep Batman mysterious and eerily silent. Batman Returns writer Daniel Waters said "He's the only actor I know who would go through my script that goes 'I should say less here, I should say less here.' I had so many angry Batman rant speeches and he's like, 'Batman would never say that. Batman should just say this line right here.'" Batman was created in 1939 as a mysterious character modeled after the Shadow. Tim Burton also stayed true to the basic iconic looks of the characters and embraced the fantastical, surreal expressionistic nature of Batman, Joker, etc. with it's roots in German expressionist Gothic horror films like The Man Who Laughs, The Bat, and the Shadow pulps which has it's roots in Dracula. German expressionism/horror movie elements and noir are part of Batman material. He's using elements that are part of the material while making Batman movies.
thecooooolcat Ehh I guess your right this movie is like Batman mixed with A nightmare before Christmas. I take back saying its not a Batman movie what so ever, but I never said the first one didn't feel like a Batman movie.. Putting words in my mouth now that's nonsense..
"Uncle Fester."
Kevin Smith is still awesome.
This be like ‘yes this is Kevin Smith recording…Hear Me Roar!!’ 😹
1:15:16 Kevin Smith predicted the Batfleck voice
thegooseman he probably influenced that idea. I feel like they probably just stole his idea lol less of a prediction and more of wb just took the idea.
That's a legit Philip Seymour Hoffman
I love how many times Kevin says, "LOOK at this SHIT, dude." LOL
Hoping someone can clarify the video description: so there's no synching involved? I literally just start playing this commentary at the same time starting up the movie?
Batman Returns is a damn good movie. It isn't perfect but its held up way better than the original.
Best Batman movie to Worst Batman movie:
1. *Batman Begins* (I love the journey of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman)
2. *Batman Returns* (I enjoy the weirdness and distinctiveness of it)
3. *The Dark Knight* (I like the attempt to make a mature, thoughtful take on the superhero genre; but the story doesn't quite grab me like the first Nolan movie)
4. *Batman* '89(I like the Joker and the production design, but it's a little clunky in action and storytelling)
5. *The Dark Knight Rises* (some nice elements, but the storytelling is rushed, cluttered and frustrating)
6. *Batman and Robin* (I enjoy the awfulness of absolutely everything in this - it's hilarious)
7. *Batman* '66 (I'm fond of the goofiness of the show, but it works best in 25 minute installments)
8. *Batman Forever* (less enjoyable than Batman and Robin because it's an unsatisfying mix of some good things and lots of campy awful things)
9. *Batman v. Superman* (bleurgh!)
i sat down after work to watch this movie with the commentary from smith. I found it hilarious and entertaining. I remember watching this movie in the theater when it was released with my family, and me and my older brother both felt super mixed and at the time, didnt really understand tim burtons humor (which the humor is all over the place in this) and tendency to fail in certain area's of the film. But as much of devito's work as the peguin, i wish he was more English scholar like they portrayed the penguin in the animated series. probably the best penguin was from the burgess, and the animated show!. i still like watching this movie. but man, looking back at it, holy crap! how many writers went back and forth!, and how bad did the studio's intervene on this movie! out of all the suits that were made for batman (not including the nolan suit which was awesome) i liked this batman suit more here then i did the first one.
+KiMBo Scott What do you think of Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin?
+Oswald's Depression have not had a chance to watch the gotham show yet. I like the noir look appeal they gave him. Chicago 40s slight gothic. other then that. I need to watch the show
It's such a good show, it's ungodly amazing at times. The first half is okay but has really good parts scattered here and there. Penguin's Umbrella is the best episode in the first part of the season. Episode 12 onwards is amazing. Oswald is definitely the best part of the show. As much as I love Penguin in Batman Returns, Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin is so much more badass and he gets more shit accomplished. True he gets smacked around a bit in the show, however the fact that he accomplishes alot makes up for the fact that he gets smacked around. The dude literally becomes ten percent more badass with every episode. And to think this is just him starting out. I can only imagine what he's going to be like by the final season of Gotham.
i will have to check it out on my weekend
Ironically Amazing Spider-man 2 had the same problems as this movie.
How so? That sounds like an interesting analysis.
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Both had inconsistent tones. whether it was penguin biting noses off and batman awkwardly fighting circus clowns w/ a goofy song playing in the background and penguin riding a duck or Gwen Stacy's fate and goofy Max Dillon and the German Doctor at Ravencroft.
Both had too many villains with little time for each to develop.
Max Shreck, penguin, catwoman
Electro, Green Goblin, Rhino(barely)
Both had too many sub plots going on w/ no basic plot.
Oddly enough, I still enjoy batman returns. It's a guilty pleasure at best,
The Amazing Spider-man 2 is my favorite Spider-man movie followed closely by the original Spider-man 2 and my favorite Batman movie is Batman Returns (admittedly mostly from nostalgia) followed closely by The Dark Knight. So you can say that I like direct sequels numbered 2 lol.
You made some interesting points though.
afqwcx I don't think many people agree on TASM2, but to each his own. You're on to something about movie number 2 in a superhero often being the best though. At that point they've gotten the origin out of the way and can get right down to business, they still have at least one or two of the best villains left, and they haven't started to run out of good ideas. The third one is often were they run into trouble. Examples: Superman 3, Batman Forever, Spider-Man 3, The Dark Knight Rises (I loved it as did a lot of people, but it was controversial).
Yeah isn't that funny? I think what you said about direct sequels pretty much hits the nail on the head, at least in my case.
I haven't looked through every single comment here, so someone may have already mentioned this (and if so, I apologize for the repeat of subject): Smith said he cannot understand the reason why Catwoman had the big "hello" sign in her apartment. I thought it was sort of like a silly little joke of forshadowing, as in "Hello Kitty". Of course, it also gave her the chance to change "hello there" to "hell here" during her little tantrum. I don't know. I like to be silly.
I've read some of the sam hamm draft for his version of batman returns and I've gotta say tim burton should have went with it but he wanted the film to be stand alone and that's unfortunate he should have had one carry into the other like Nolan did with his series
Awesome!
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure penguin says erogenous "souls" not zones during the Patton's speech scene