Fixing Naruto's Biggest Plot Hole
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Naruto is a great series but it has problems. In this video I will be discussing and fixing Naruto's biggest plot hole. The sheer number of ninjas in the world. During the 4th Great Ninja War, when the Ninja Alliance comes together we found out there are 80 thousand ninjas in the alliance. This is way too much.
It's impossible for the Leaf Village and the other major nations to produce that number of ninjas in the pacing that we see in the series. Konoha's Ninja Academy only produces about 9 ninjas per year, so it would not be possible to reach this number. But let's talk about ways this could be explained and fix the plot hole in Naruto Shippuden.
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What's the worst Naruto plot hole?
@DygoKnight Too many to name but for me, it’s weird power creep with the Kage. Namely Hashirama being depicted as this insanely strong Shinobi and yet Kakuzu managed to fight him on even footing. How does that make sense, given what we’ve seen? That’s why I love your rewrite where you addressed this.
@@Avarn388dude, he threw a kunai, ran and said he fought hashirama
End of discussion
He didn't fight him on even footing, dude barely made it out@@Avarn388
Boruto
not really a Plot Hole but how were Madara and Hashirama so much more Stronger than the other 5 kage and tailbeast?
Fixing Naruto's biggest plothole ❌
Explaining Naruto's biggest plothole ✅
Crazy how you only need to skip to 19:00 to figure out how Dygo would fix this plothole. The rest 19 minutes you can just skip.
@@ashlinthomas4500 Actually, they do have something contradicting each country having multiple academies which is the chunin exams. Because those are ninjas from all over the world, so ninjas from the other Land Of Fire academies would show up, but none did, and that would be really weird if there was not one ninja worthy of or wanted to compete.
Not a plot hole. You all haven't read/watched Naruto in 20 years. It is established in chapter 9 that the kage together control tens of thousands of shinobi throughout the world. Shinobi are not just in the villages, they don't all come from the academy OBVIOUSLY. They're hired from the whole land which is full of shinobi clans. This should not be explained after you see 9-27 new genin being produced by the academy into an army of 10000+. Why would they not hire shinobi from outside? Why would there not be shinobi outside the village? How? This shit is so dumb and annoying. Stop making up plot holes. This isn't even plot.
Shinobi draft for non shinobi graduates
@@xaero96 Exactly bro
They call everything they don't understand a “plot hole”, not Kishimoto's fault they are dumb.
Kishimoto created 80,000 ninjas to kill half and Neji for the illusion of danger and risk.
Which is funny because the human brain can't really make sense of 40,000 people dying.
Kinda crazy how he planned the war and Neji's death in chapter 9.
Dumb take
yeah are brains can't understand the grasp of how many people that die, for example during World War 2 80 Million People Died in a 7 year period of war. @@encouraginglyauthentic43
At least there is danger and risk unlike dragon ball you can just be revived whenever
My biggest thing is why didn't any of the ninjas use ninjutsu
😂😂😂@@genjutsuamaze6222
Well considering ninjutsu attacks are more wide scale in terms of their attack potency, they probably refrained from using them so that wouldn't hurt nearby allies. Not only that but if you have guys on one side using fire style and guys on the next using water, wouldn't they run the risk of cancelling out each other's attacks?
Nah, they used it many times. You just missed it or forgot like Shinobi using fire style on Summoned snake in Konoha crush arc, or Every ninja using mud style mud wall to protect against 10 tails biju-dama
But they did or tried to it shows him interrupting hand signs
This would’ve been cool. Instead of madara fighting 80000 ninjas who were fodder he was fighting 200 who were all highly skilled and using ninjutsu but still owning them
I always thought: Where are the strong ninjas who aren't from the leaf village?
Kishimoto is bad to write secondarys characters, its bad that leaf village is the only one that have strong ninjas. The others only have 1 to 3 max
Shonen writers are notoriously bad at adding depth to their world. Kishimoto had so many opportunities of expanding his world, but he kept making it more and more shallow. One of many examples: by the time the Akatsuki showed up to fight Gaara, they had 6 out of the 9 tailed beasts already captured off screen. That's 500+ chapters worth of worldbuilding completely removed from the story. The strongest beings in the world, barely a mention.
@@0cidd0 I mean if your counting ninjas during the start of shippuden the only strong ninjas from the leaf were Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Guy, Jiraiya and Orochimaru and Obito every other village has fighters near that level aside from maybe the sand and stone village I can name 8 mist ninja that are pretty strong same with 5 cloud ninja that are pretty strong and obviously we will know more about the ninja in the leaf seeing how the main character of the show is from the leaf but if there was a war at the start of shippuden I honestly think the leaf could have been defeated by the cloud village or the stone because ohnoki and raikage a and bee are stronger than anyone in the entire leaf village at the start of shippuden the only person you could argue is stronger is guy but he would probably have to go to 8th gate to defeat anyone I just named
@@o_huno You should read one piece if you think shonen writers cant add depth to their worlds
@@o_hunoexactly
they promoted everyone, even like the ramen cook, to jonin for the great ninja war lol
Nah dude they didn't promote the ramen guy, if they did he would've solo'd Madara and ended the war by himself. He also has the rinnegan after all.
Ramen Guy stayed behind as Tsunade's stand in. Can't leave the village unprotected.
Well the ramen guy is Kage+ level it doesnt surprise me
@@th3diablo1yup I can easily imagine ramen guys walking toward Madara while saying defiantly "nah I win"
That's why the Shinobi Alliance numbers got so high. Now i get it. Ramen guy used his special jutsu "Infinite Nudlesuyomi" and created his own army.
After all, he's the true Sage of Six Penne
Tobirama:"80.000 shinobi, and not a single one of them is from the magic eyes clan... isn't that beautiful? 😌"
Lmao
Tobirama: 80,000 and they’re all white? Simply beautiful
@@thepaleblood6374 hidden cloud village beg to differ
@@thepaleblood6374well I mean they're all Asian lol. Not white.
@@dustinhatfield8373 literally tho its amazing how dumb the racists who want everyone else to be racist really are
I feel that Kishimoto is really bad at keeping numbers consistent
@@The_Average_Ragebait_Borutard Boruto? What's that a fan parody? We all know Naruto ended in Shippuden.
@@genjutsuamaze6222"those who abandon there comrades are worse than scum" if you can't be with someone at there lowest point then you are not a friend or in this case Fan. I love Naruto-Boruto and have faith that Kishimoto will once again deliver The Masterpiece
wtf are you doing here tobirama
@@FangLeng-lh4gn Being a Fan is no metric on which to measure quality, and I'm not a friend: I'm a customer. If I'm gonna buy something, it needs to be worth the money or I'm just wasting effort on things that I don't value.
@@powerofanime1 what are you buying though? Manga is free to be read online and if you don't like it it's absolutely fine then you're not a target audience for physical volumes anyways. If we're talking about games you value them by quality of gameplay mechanics and not story because they aren't even canon for most part
It might be an unpopular opinion, but the whole concept of minjas fighting in a war as the main force never made any sense to me.
Agree! Ninjas are made to be in small groups and operate in tactical misions.
@@g2wesy805kishimoto changed it from to Shinobi n case you don't know the difference ninja are trained to sneak around, Shinobi are specially trained warriors.
kishimoto changed it from to Shinobi n case you don't know the difference ninja are trained to sneak around, Shinobi are specially trained warriors.
i think people give too much thought about how ninjas are suppose to be in naruto i dont think kishimoto was trying to make them exact ninjas just used the concept as a basis for his story
they are the military. who else is supposed to go to war?
Simple answer: all the ninja's of the main villages used shadow clones to make the army bigger.
they would wwaste all their chakra
@@guidones would explain why they barely beat the white zetsu.
@@chaos_knight_xyMf is enlightened
Dam why didn’t akasuki take them them instead. That’s a lot of random people with kyuubi level chakras. That’s a lot of kage level ninjas.
@@The_Average_Ragebait_Borutard I see the name lives up.... delusional.
My head cannon is that they basically had a mandatory draft ( just like IRL) in war times if it gets bad enough they can draft civilians as soldiers and that’s probably what happened which is why a lot looked like fodder to
im pretty sure that that many werre once ninja and retired
bringing out civilians would literally be useless especially as most of them dont even have the slightest clue in how to use chakra. and rhe fact that all the genin were also left behind
@@mastixencounter it’s the same way when the third hokage was supposed to know every justu from the hidden leaf 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️things change
@@mastixencounter Leaving Genin AKA kids (You know the people who'll continue your generation) and taking civilians of older people is a simple strategy.
Yeah, basically a militia
You're putting way much more thought into this than Kishimoto ever did throughout the entire series
That just speaks on Kishimoto’s inconsistency with writing lmao
You don’t know what Kishimoto did & didn’t think of. So don’t get ahead of yourself.
@@EternalBrightness3hi kishimoto
@@maalikserebryakov It’s true. You don’t know what went into the manga’s progression process, I don’t have to be Kishimoto to spot that.
@@KuroKamii94 Its easy to critize but writing such a masive world with an extensive history without having a few plot holes is a colossal task, strive for perfection and you'll end up with nothing.
Kishimoto wanted to showcase the brutalities of the 4th Shinobi War with the Allied Shinobi Fodders. The fodders are as disappointing as the White Zetsu Army.
This is my actual biggest gripe. Kishimoto should've written a world war between the 5 nations with Kabuto and the Obito as an independent threat. Kabuto could've still revived the Akatsuki maybe (even though I'd preferred a better conclusion to their respective stories while they were still alive) but everyone else should've been real people fighting for their village. That way we would've gotten a much more interesting story and would remove the need to keep raising the stakes with the introduction of Madara and Kaguya.
Is that why he said "commanders of tens of thousands of shinobi throughout the world" about the hidden villages in chapter 9?
@@o_hunothat sounds lame tbh
Those are people
@@o_huno 'between the five nations'
You mean the five nations _separately_ fighting the independent threats (Obito and Madara)? I take 'between' to mean one nation against one another but this doesn't make sense; why would they fight one another and not the independent threat; together if not separately?
It's funny how small the village was portayed as pretty small prior to the war but suddenly thousands of them up during the war,
It wasnt really portrayed as small. 80,000 ninja is an EXTREMELY small number for what it was. I dont get how this community is so braindead
You just weren’t paying attention.
First, the Leaf village doesn’t make up the entirety of the Land of Fire. There are other smaller villages outside it’s boarders that constitute a great portion of it’s land. So when the camera is on the Leaf village (which it almost always is) it doesn’t mean that their aren’t other smaller villages operating outside it. Now apply this to the other great nations with their hidden villages & smaller villages.
Second, ninja aren’t always on standby in Konoha, they’re usually away on missions which is why we typically see less of them when the manga is focused on the environment. The war was a massive ordeal that involved everyone, so missions were no longer a necessity.
Third, you’re comparing the war troops to one village when the great nations were allied by then, meaning there would obviously be more ninja.
I love it when people insult others for seeing the author's shortcomings and form outlandish reasons for why things happen in fiction.
Heres the answer: He forgor, lol
@@carlcarlson5553 the amount of ppl that dont realize knonah is just a city / army base in a big ass country is beyond me
@@carlcarlson5553 yeah and historically during war amounting 2% of your population for war is not unreasonable and that was back when only men did the Waring . in Naruto its everyone. so like the whole naruto world would be like ~4 million. thats about the population we had before writing was a thing
Did you even mention that shinobi... DIE? All the time. Even if they produced 15k shinobi, a lot of them would die before the war.
Also, the Blood Mist Village... Didn't Zabuza alone kill like... 100 of his peers?
It’s a glaring plot hole
We don't even know how many other villages are present in the continent.
@@austinbevis4266 Unwatchable. Crazy how it says there are tens of thousands of shinobi under kage command throughout the world in chapter 9. Weirdly describes 80 thousand. Hmmmm. Surely Kishimoto meant that hidden leaf produces 9 shinobi per year a few chapter before that when Kakashi said that only 9 of Naruto's class become genin. Surely. No way to get shinobi from anywhere else!
@@xaero96 I’m not saying it makes the series unwatchable. I just think it’s futile trying to explain this facet of the series when it’s obviously an oversight on kishimoto’s part
Or how Root makes members kill their best friend to "kill their emotions" or some crap.
Or how this is only a few years after the Leaf Village and Sand Village lost a ton of guys to Orochimaru's invasion.
The problem becomes worse when you consider places like the Sand & Mist are known to have fewer ninja, I mean that was part of the reason the Sand agreed to attack the Leaf in the first place because of the restrictions put on the village in the first place (FYI quick reminder Baki is telling the Sand Siblings that since the treaty was signed by their Feudal Lord, the Sand Village has been struggling both financially & in military numbers. Orochimaru offered them a way out & the Sand took it).
The Mist Village had a ritual where they killed each other to become Ninja so their new influx of Genin is at best 50% (considering the winners won't always survived), this practice only stopped recently since its implied that Mei is relevantly new to the position of Mizukage (and in the 2nd Chunin exam filler arc the Mist flat out refuses to go because their busy rebuilding the village adding to this theory, yes its filler but until its proven otherwise its the best example we have).
A way to get to the 80,000 is to add the smaller nations villages like the Rain, Grass, Waterfall etc.... to make 80,000 total.
But it only showed the 5 great nations. Those villages would also have way less ninja because of size and the fact they were the battlefeilds for alot of wars.
If we needed to fix it, id have stated a draft, 6 month boot camp for taijutsu and basics. But my idea would probably be inconsistent with how the power system works
80,000 is EXTREMELY small. Like wtf is everyone on about? 80,000 is NOTHING
80k is small when you take into account the lore and how many ninja actually become beyond genin
@@carlcarlson5553 no it's not, he literally went over the math. Rewatch the video.
Add in the Great wars and difficulty and massive amounts of training just to be genin. It's a plot hole, no way you get more than 25k with all the villages
@@carlcarlson5553it’s really not a small number at all, because besides what everyone else has said, consider what that would mean for each ninja village. ~15000 high level shinobi wouldn’t even be safe for the village when you take into account the potential for rogue ninja or rebellious factions. Every village has had multiple S-class ninja go rogue, and that’s just the highest tier. The Uchiha clan had to be closely scrutinized and there were only a few hundred of them in their village. Imagine the kage trying to keep an eye on thousands of ninjas and potentially dozens of ninja clans at the same time? Imagine the potential for disaster? There are actually so many reasons why that number just doesn’t make sense.
I don't know if this was the only anime scene, but one of the soldiers explained that each nation is asking help from anyone, including former prisoners and outside sources.
They were just good Zetsus
Fr lol
Buncha Npc's
Zetsu mimicking yolo wannabe half bum failed chonins, thats a prequel that i really wanna watch. 😂
My way of explaining the matter is that Konoha is just a village located in one of the provinces of Land of Fire, and each of those provinces produces ninjas, not through the ninja academy, but through clans, as each province contains a number of ninja clans that offer a number of their members to be ninjas. Like before the invention of ninja villages
Ninja Villages are basically a congregation of ninja clans + civilians, so it's natural to think there are many more ninjas out there that simply exist outside the main villages.
This is honestly the best explanation if you don’t think too hard about it. Sure there would probably have to be hundreds of lesser ninja clans in each country for this to work, but whatever, it’s not like Kishimoto bothered to explain it anyway.
@@fpbaby8513that helps to make sense about the numbers but also causes more problems. with ninjas existing everywhere consider what that would mean for each ninja village. ~15000 high level shinobi wouldn’t even be safe for the village when you take into account the potential for rogue ninja or rebellious factions. Every village has had multiple S-class ninja go rogue, and that’s just the highest tier. The Uchiha clan had to be closely scrutinized and there were only a few hundred of them in their village. Imagine the kage trying to keep an eye on thousands of ninjas and potentially dozens of ninja clans at the same time? Imagine the potential for disaster? There are actually so many reasons why that number just doesn’t make sense. and each village having tens of thousands of high level ninja at their disposal but constantly get victimized by small terrorist groups and solitary tailed beasts?
@@mastixencounter those are MY comments you copied, Kakashi 😂
@@fpbaby8513 It's explained in the databooks that there are clans who never joined villages. We also see examples of such clans in the story: Kimimaro's clan. We also see shinobi who were not taught in hidden village academies all the time: Kimimaro, Haku, Zabuza, Nagato, Yahiko, Konan, Sai, Jugo, probably Karin. You all just assumed something that was never stated or implied. The academy isn't required to become a shinobi. They existed long before the villages or the academies did.
Orichimaru summons giant ass snake, Every sensible Chunin/Jonin: "Oh look, time to clock out." They all know what happens when one of the Sanin starts rolling up and breaking buildings.
Buddy, when Kurama attacked, which is more dangerous than orochi, like, not even 10 leagues above, more like 1000 leagues above orochi, full kurama attacked, not half, like the one with Naruto, and the ninjas fought even before hiruzen arrival.....
The ninjas fought pain paths, the ninjas fought the sand invasion, etc.
@@rohankishibe8259 As did the Leaf ninja fight the Sound and Sand forces during the Konoha Crush, which included a massive three-headed snake. I think the guy was mentioning the fact that nobody showed up to fight the snake Orochimaru summoned in Tanzaku, assuming there were Shinobi there, of course.
To me it's clear he was commenting on what Dygo says at 10:03
Kishimoto did not draw an army of thousands of shinobi attacking Konoha. But that's what happened. It's impossible to draw, get over it. Go learn what a kage is in chapter 9 which also states tens of thousands of shinobi being under their command.
But every single ninja should be able to do what Orochimaru does. Every single ninja should be able to summon big creatures and use ninjutsu.
@@GeorgeMonet To do so would first require all of them to know the Summoning Jutsu, which needs either a pre-existing contract or to go to the Summon Realm, a large amount of Chakra, and a good relationship with the Summons. Which are things not every Ninja has the time or ability to cultivate.
My personal headcanon is that... You dont really need to graduate from the academy to be a shinobi. You can just learn it any other way, be it just seeing it somewhere and trying to replicate it and succeeding or someone taught you. And after a while your skills get recognized and you go through a process to be registered as a shinobi in a given hidden village, after all, didn't Yahiko have a rain village headband without ever going to an academy?
You’re on to something
You are right. For example: Nagato, Yahiko and Konan did not go to an academy.
Shinobi existed before the villages and still do. And the 9 genin we know aren't all of the graduates. All 27 students from their class got a headband in chapter 1, just didn't all go to work as genin. Sasuke's report card in his backstory suggests there were 90 students of his age. And Zabuza killed a graduation class of "over 100". People who graduate but don't become genin are draftable, shinobi that don't go to the academy are also draftable.
Its ultimately a plot hole but heres some ideas of how could have been to make the world building consistent
- 2000 ninjas from the village (few in the village at any given moment)
- 500 ninjas not from the village properly (like how Nagato was a Rain ninja but wasn't taught in any academy and maybe ninja clans from the same country that never joined the village)
Add non ninja army:
- 2500 regular army (random soldiers that cant use ninjutsu)
- 10000 potential levies (peasants)
It would still add to 15k soldiers for an estimated 1.5 million population per nation, but with a more moderate 2.5k ninjas that would still do the main fighting
It's still too much. We saw over the time skip that 12 characters promoted to chunin. that's basically 2 per village per exam. That's really only indicative of a couple hundred ninjas per village. Alternatively, we know there were 45 people in Naruto and Sasukes team (since we saw Sasukes report card, where he was 1/45 as a student). If ninjas lived full lives with 40 year careers that would be around 2000 ninjas in Konoha minus the ones that die or quit.
@@phonyalias7574 We don't know the population and we don't know how many Chunin and Jonin each village has. Don't forget The 5 great villages are not the only villages and they don't all use the same system for recruiting ninja.
It says in chapter 9 that there are tens of thousands of shinobi under kage command. Case closed. And yes, there are shinobi outside of villages and their command.
@@xaero96 Context. Sakura is asking if the Land of Waves has it's own Ninja to which Kakashi replies in negative. He says that most other lands have their own hidden village where clans reside and that the 5 Great Villages headed by Kage are a step above the rest. He then calls them "The ultimate commanders of all of the tens of thousands of shinobi THROUGHOUT the world."
Not "In their lands/villages, but throughout the "world." This means that Kakashi is including shinobi that aren't apart of those 5 villages. This isn't an unfair inclusion as we know that the 5 have regularly used smaller nations as battlefields and buff zones with them not being able to do anything to stop it.
None of the soldiers are levies though, or even have any real ranking or command structure. It’s just a mob of faceless nobodies
I think 80,000 ninjas exist, but Kishimoto is just too terrible at giving side characters any screen time or relevance at all. The rookie 9 was just one of several classes. Who. There are technically new rookies every year. But the manga only shows Naruto’s class and a few of Konohamaru’s class, which is is 3-4 years younger. But then can’t even give Naruto’s class anything significant to do.
The Uchiha were basically a small village within the Leaf. Same with the Hyuga, Nara, Yamanaka, etc. So the 80,000 are there. Just 79,900 don’t have names. 😭
Maybe 80,000 exist, but chunin or higher? And how many would actually show up for muster when they're fighting _fucking Madara goddamn Uchiha._ Oh, and he's now so scary that _all the villages_ are pooling together against him?
Fuck that noise, most would defect en route, if not outright rebel.
the don't graduate that many unless they do it daily. which i dont think they do
80000 is just too high to be reasonable..... Kishimoto legit slipped there.
Kishimoto’s writing fell down the stars in Shippuden
Me just casually watching and then I see my land of fire map I made years ago featured. 😂 w.
You made that map? It's great I can give you credit in the description if you want
@@DygoKnight yeah the land of fire one and the world map one. No worries man you purchased them. Im glad you liked them! 😁
I think it was explained that the stone village had people stay behind so the stone could profit from the war. Ohnoki eventually became good, but Mu (in the manga) still had the same mindset and kept twlling ohnoki to withdraw from the war and take advantage while everyone is preoccupied
Where did Kabuto get Madara's DNA to revive him?
He even pumped him full of Hashirama cells
I believe it implied that Zetsu led Kabuto to the location of Madara's corpse.
@@RamAureliusok but why was madara revived in his prime when he died as an old man?
Kabuto said he modified Madara’s body to revive him in his prime
@@BomboclatRezewatch the f#cking show, brother
@@FangLeng-lh4gn🤣🤣🤣
There's also shinobi like sai who didn't go to academy and were trained in secret to specifically be anbu forces, but once again doesn't make up for the graduation rate because that is a rare thing to happen
writer cant math as usual
maybe there is a reasonable answer to this outside the video's ideas but yeah its weird how even being charitable and going against previous statements the numbers are still off by a magnitude
@@atrckr-bf7de The writer confirms that there are tens of thousands of shinobi under all kage command in chapter 9. A few chapters before that and then after that he states that there are 9 latest genin from the academy. They don't just hire people from the academy, they'll hire anyone who has the skills OBVIOUSLY. His explanation of the world remained consistent from the beginning. If there are that many shinobi under kage, then they obviously were not all being trained by the academy which just produced 9 genin. The academy is new and trains shinobi most loyal to the village. It would make 0 sense for shinobi to come just form the academy when they existed long before it was even an idea. Other graduates who didn't become genin are also capable of fighting.
They probably have reserved forces of genin ninjas especially those genins who graduate but dont pass the test given by jonin teachers after their academy.
Narutos class itself had 27 graduated students but only 9 of them(mostly potential clan heirs, hokages son and sakura) became active duty ninja. Rest were probably sent back to academy for re-evaluation and ended in reserves who were called out in case of emergencies like orochimarus/pains invasion and fourth shinobi world war.
Also if you consider filler episodes there are multiple small or medium sized significant ninja nations who are allied to great villages like konoha so they might be providing additional forces as well.
I don't know if it counts, but in Boruto when was the graduation from the academy, Kakashi went to interview the student whar's next for them, was a huge contrast. While from Naruto generation almost everyone became a ninja, in Boruto most of the student went to other schools, learn another jobs, because in peace there was no need that much Ninja.
Boruto is not cannon
@@mateusfccpits complicated, unless its a direct adaptation of the Boruto manga which ots 100% canon its not canon
Or of one of the novels
Tbh I like this side of boruto more than whatever it is in ninja war. Atleast the reasoning of people not want to be a ninja is plausible, unlike "ninja war" which happens in open area that makes ninja can't do camouflage
I thought that it wasn’t just the MAIN villages, but all ninjas from the LAND.
Yeah filler show many leaf ninjas come from scattered clans in the land of fire that have their own villages so the leaf is the central force but there’s ninjas all over the land still this is never explained outright
Glaze
@@pedroribeirodesousa9152 I think it is, but can’t pinpoint where. I think it was somewhere when they explained the feudal lord situation. If the entire ninja world was just these small villages though that would be terrible world building.
@@dwaynekeenum1916 yea thats u
@@dwaynekeenum1916 ya mam
1. No genins fought in the fourth great ninja war
2. There's nothing stopping a kage from promoting genin to higher ranks outside of the chuunin exams
**2 days before the start of the war**
Kages: You get a promotion! You get a promotion! You ALL get a promotion!
i think ppl forget the land of fire is an entire country. ninjas can be stationed at other cities/ bases/ checkpoints. i dont think the show did to goof a job on representing that we spend most of the time in 1 city of a country. a draft would easily explain the amount of ninjas
It would take several village lifetimes to get those numbers at the maximum graduation rates.
With no wars or missions killing any of your ninja.
The point of the video was the only plausible explanation majes the leaf village concept either insignificant or outright breaks the established world building.
Add in all the wars, mission deaths, bounty hunters ect.... kishimoto simply didnt care about consistency
Grammar?
Check chapter 9, page 15, The explanation is decent but the map could’ve been better.
That's what i was thinking. There was a Ninja war so Ninja were probably drafted in to fight it.
Since the war was over they could get away with 50 new Ninja per year.
I also think there are more than 1 academy outside of Konoha.
Theres also a possibility that the land of stone has 30,000 ninja, The land of Sand has 30,000 ninja and the rest are divided among 20,000.
The land of sand has more Ninja because it was stated that their economy depends heavily on Ninja missions as they lack resources.
The land of stone likely existed longer than the leaf village.
The Hidden leaf likely used this difference in numbers to justify keeping the Nine-Tails when distributing the tailed beast.
Giving the lowest tail to the land of greater population.
@@Chazzvc you didn't watch the show.
The leaf was the 1st village and strongest, theÿ kept the 9 tails because they distributed the tailed beasts, they justification is power. They also didn't use it often.
The draft can't work because you need to train ninja to use chakra well.
And to fight. Then there's the obvious mass death during the great wars.
There's no others academies. It's the thing that makes the village special.
The main issue you missed is, you could maximize and double the rates we see
Then it'll still take centuries to get what we saw.
I know it’s not explored in Naruto but I don’t think there should be an assumption that everyone practices high level fighting and goes through the academy route. There’s probably other ways to raise shinobi other than the ones we see in the series. For all we know, the academy/Chunin route is for well-connected and respected families. That’s also why our favorite established characters shine among the other shinobi who seem pretty fodder in comparison. The civilian population probably goes through mandatory training at one point or another and are drafted into action during wartime.
this doesnt make sense when you consider its explicitly said that genin didn't fight and we would assumed untrained civilians would be genin or worse in skill
@@rossker123 Yeah but you wouldn’t want to throw the Genin who are potential top prospects into the fray, just the ones who don’t have further potential.
If you’re a grown adult and the highest rank you could ever achieve is that of Genin, then from your village’s POV losing you probably isn’t the worst thing in the world and you would do just fine being fed into the war machine as fodder.
These fodder trained civilians are probably their own category of rank and status.
Also obviously this is head cannon stuff or at the very least, an attempt to explain and cover a plot hole. In my head it’s better to the alternative, but all day every day I’m fighting an uphill battle. I’m ok conceding my explanation isn’t likely. But I like to think this is what could explain it. 👌🏼
There are 3 things in the show that imply most genins eventually promote, and quite quickly at that:
1. All participants of Chounin exams are around teenage age, despite no age limit mentioned.
2. Unless I misremember, there was only one repeat participant in the first chounin exam we were shown, and he was repeating on purpose.
3. Guy's father still being a genin at his age was shown as a sole exception.
So it's fair to assume every Genin promotes eventually, probably on the second or third try.
This is the kind if thing I think about an unreasonable amount. Including this specific thing, thought I was the only one with the specific kind of nerdiness to care. Thank you for bringing light to this issue Dygo 🙏
I think you are missing a possibility. Iruka is only in charge of one class, and there are multiple teachers at the school. Like how MHA has class A and class B.
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It is said the Chunin promoted in Wartime are weaker and less qualified, so there are probably no Chunin Exams during Wartime. Makes sense, you wouldn't send talented Genin to a village you're at war with. Also, the Academy was formed in Tobirama's Era, and like irl cases, probably wasn't state-sponsored (at first), so it probably only had clan ninjas (probably also had a complex social class system, so the academy favoured clan students), so most Genin during that time and before didn't attend the academy.
Also, there were at least 30~40 years of wartime for Konoha, including when the tensions were high and/or the village was recovering from a previous war (in both cases, a good supply of fresh Genin and Chunin would be needed). So, there were probably a LOT of new ninjas during that time.
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We should assume that a Hidden Village is essentially a military base (or at least a Mercenary Base, since it isn't state-owned). This is because it was originally formed out of all the clans in the Land of Fire that Hashirama was able to unify, and the only civilians at the time should've been the civilians in the clans (which should be very few, since women and children also became ninjas, and a ninja probably only retired after severe injuries or pregnancy). After that, because the Village was also considered safe, some Civilians moved from the Daimyo's territory into the Village, but then their children also became ninjas in some cases, so the civilian families also now had ninjas.
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Ninjas don't need to wear forehead protectors all the time. It's probably only required during missions. In the first place, the system was probably only created so the village ninjas can recognise each other during wartime (specifically, Shinobi WW1). You have to remember, this wasn't required in the Warring States period because most allies were either your own clan, or were from a clan that had been in a relationship for generations, so you could recognise them by sight. However, the formation of the village caused multiple clans to become allies, and also civilian ninjas joined the fray, so the forehead protectors were needed.
Ninja Academy was founded by Tobirama, so there must be an older system to promote ninja which I assumed is still being used by the village. Also, maybe there are other ways for ninjas to learn. I think the ninja clan/family most likely didn't send their children to the academy because they had their own set of jutsus, they just sent their successor to gain connection and reputation. That's why there are clans such as Sarutobi that count quite many during the ninja war but only Asuma and Konohamaru were known to join the academy. I think Ninja Academy is a place for commoners to gain access to jutsus and have proper teachers to teach them because the academy only teaches their students 3 basic ninjutsu so it's unreasonable that ninja clans/families let their children waste so much time in the academy.
Based on the ninja registration number, naruto generation was around 12k, so there must be more than 12k ninjas passed to Genin from the academy in Konoha. If you look at the ninja registration, I think the academy passed more ninjas during the war or maybe less restricted so there are more ninjas to graduate. That may strengthen the reason that there is more than one academy in Konoha.
Ninjas need to spend quite an amount of time to train, they need to do missions for a living, and they can camouflage themself, so I think that's why there were not many ninjas seen guarding the village. Also, the former police of Konoha were entrusted to Uchiha and Konoha also relied on the sealing technique as a barrier and detection sensor, maybe that's the reason why it seems easy for former Konoha's people to infiltrate Konoha.
The worst plot hole for me is that the ninja villages are still inferior to the daimyos just because of money while their force is much stronger and overwhelming enough to take their country by force. Also, there are genjutsu and the like that could easily manipulate them. Madara and Obito could manipulate the third mizukage by genjutsu for years, so I think any Uchiha with decent genjutsu skill could do it to a daimyo easily.
I believe this is how it worked before the village system. One clan controlling some territory and then going to war with another. So, in addition to avoiding this type of “greed”, the Kages do not want to govern an entire country, and have to waste time on politics, economics, tax collection, etc...
about the genjutsu problem, I imagine they have personal bodyguards for that.
I feel like the easy way to justify 80k people is that the ninja aren't the only military force, and just the most capable. Since the threat was massive, the countries were sending regular soldiers aswell.
That would explain why they all charged Madara like Marineford grunts & didn't use any ninja powers.
They weren't really ninja, just Marines dressed as village ninja.
One thing you forgot, is not every ninja is from one of the 5 great nations. There are many ninja from smaller villages that are close allies of the great nations (such as Uzushiogakure), and no doubt would have provided assistance during any great wars.
And even among leaf ninja, not all of them graduated from the academy, such as the ones scouted to be trained as Anbu members (eg, Sai and Kabuto), as well as high status clan members (the hyūga clan heir for example is shown to not enroll at the academy).
You still need A LOT to cover up those numbers, it's not a small discrepancy.
Simple answer is clans and chunin teachers. You don't see more than a small number of clans members in the school, only heirs. The school is probably mostly for civilans and tradition for the clans. Most clans probably teach their own, while in war time chunins teach 3 students at a time.
5:16 Frick, I forgot how well Tsunade was drawn in early Naruto 😂😂😎
I'm sure he edited it with the pan on purpose too lmao
Honestly the reason is simple, Kishimoto clearly draws a lot of inspiration from HXH to create chunnin exams. The problem is in HxH being a Hunter is actually extremely uncommon in a world that is just as big as the real workd, so the structure of the Hunter exams is integrated in the world. While in Naruto it doesn’t really fit with the the other stories Kishimoto wanted to tell, he probably never thought of any of this, by the time he did the war arc he most likely barely even remember what he wrote for the chunning exams.
A common workaround in fanfiction is for the teams who pass the 2nd exam to study under jonin, while the rejects get put in a general genin force that does most of the gruntwork. After that there's ways other than the chunin exam to rank up, even if it's the most publicised. Soooort of works with what we see, since most ninja shown wear their local uniforms and chunin aren't just mid-tier ninja but also supposed to be squad leaders when required, with the rarer jonin being true elites, but it's not a perfect fit.
Another rarer way to work around the numbers-problem is to simply have local schools and such that, on paper, are ninja from Konoha or Iwa or wherever, but might spend their entire career away from their village. I don't imagine many of them would climb up to jonin or even chunin, but it's possible I suppose. IIRC neither the manga or anime hint at this so this is obviously fanon.
A third way that I haven't actually ever seen in a fic is for the 5 Kage to simply draft a bunch of retirees, failures, mercenaries and such for the war, and maybe bump some of them up to chunin temporarily. They might have also arranged to hire ninja from the various smaller villages, but again I doubt it.
IMO the best way to handle it would have been to rewrite the whole War-arc to make more sense and also take place over a longer time
Maybe the 5 nations drafted their own militias once they learned a world-threatening war was about to break out?
A land of fire draft
I think you forget the fact that Naruto's generation existed in the era of piece, meaming they didn't need to have that many ninjas. Meanwhile most chunins and jonins are from the war period so naturally they needed more soldiers.
nobody gonna mention the possibility that all the retired shinobi living in these villages came out of retirement for the war? the hidden villages are meant mainly for ninjas and their families, along with shop owners and such. so is it that hard to believe that a bunch of recently retired shinobi would come out of retirement for this? just a thought
It's not a job where you tend to live to retirement. For old shinobi we see... Danzo, Hiruzen, Chiyo. Kakuzu and Madara I guess. The sannin too if you want to stretch the definition of "old". Let me know if I've missed anyone
Preach bro also add the possibility of the villages drafting the ninjas that weren't able to pass the chunin exams. Because why not there's a whole ass war going on and the villages need every Ninja's they can get
@@MaxonerousX Both Sakura's Parents and Sasuke's imply if ninja marry ninja it isn't uncommon for one or both of them to retire into civilian life when they have kids. Especially if your parents are somebody like Sakura's where they weren't important but clanless fodder tier ninja.
And THEN you have to calculate how many of them are even still alive after 100’s of years.
lmao, I or two, and they’d have to be breaking the law because its dark magic
@@DechelgoAka ninja Magic,Aka chakra
@@Jpx0999 so?
100's of years? The leaf isn't even 100 years old by the war arc lol
Or the writer knew what they were doing and yall are over thinking
You gotta see the hidden villages as more of a capital that has maybe 50% of any countries fighting force. The Land of Fire is huge. Obviously there are a bunch of ninja throughout the country. Imagine us only having police/military in New York and trying to deploy them to deal with problems all over
Therein lies the problem then, we don’t see ANY shinobi outside of the major villages. It is equally as safe to assume these major nations are maybe entirely wilderness with maybe 1-2 outposts (one of which is just the lands daimyo’s residence) outside of the major village as it is to assume there’s dozens if not hundreds of smaller locales.
The only problem we run into then is it makes the Uchiha massacre, and Sasuke being last, make even less sense, given that should have made there be Uchiha all through the nation to serve as advisors/captains to local police forces.
It's also implied that all the lands are in a peace period. Like, in a war period you wont have 20-40ish genin per year, you would have 2-4000 (hypotetical) even from different group age, because people would not have the option to be a shinobi when they are like children; every man and women from 10s to 50s would just HAVE TO enrole in the army by law, because There's a War and you have to protect your country. And then They could be promoted during the war and retire after the war. The final arc was the 3rd great ninja war. So at least 2 other great ninja wars happened. And all the survivors amd retired shinobi of those wars were probably still employable. And when a new WWar happened, they Just called all of them.
The first person to actualy try to explain it...
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You literally forgot to count the mass deaths.
You forgot about the deaths from missions.
If this worked like an irl draft you could bootcamp soilders for 6 months, but ninja need to mold chakra and be in combat shape.
This means most of the better trained would survive to retire not the fodder. Which means the main troops from the leaf village. Which comes back to the maximum rates mentioned in the video.
So long short kishimoto retconed the academy to be more similar to modern day enrollment and graduation in school.
So instead of 20 or so genini a yr youll have near at least 100. This brings the numbers to the lvs of the series and can compensate for the mass deaths
@@bobbob-zc1nx fodder or not, if you fight in a ninja War with people like the Kage for months and survive, you are probably getting a Chunin grade.
Shikamaru got promoted to Chunin.
Anyone ever said the entire 80k of the alliance are operative ninjas Always in action? They said they are "chunin".
And You don't Need to work as a ninja for your entire life.
Why are we trying to make sense to this huge numebr and yet putting random limits to out reasoning?? They just called back veterans and retired chinins. That's honestly way more plausibile than having the entire military force Always operative and at full capacity, during a period of relative peace. Immagine going in war, having a battle against the likes of Minato and being promoted because you survived BY MIRACLE. Would you HONESTLY Say "you know what? Being a ninja's fun!! I want this to be my Life".
In WWs MILIONS of soldiers died and MILIONS survived . 80k survived veterans from 1 Ninja War Is NOT a big number.
@taichimokubaful I didn't put the limits the story did. There is a max number of trained ninja produced. It takes yrs for that training so a draft couldn't work.
The great wars are considered great wars because of the scale of the battles aka population.
More people are dying than the warring states Era.
You could triple the rate of ninja and still need centuries to produce this many chunin. They going out of thrir way to prevent genin from attending means there careful about quality too.
It's a narrative way to show the strength of the actual military. So people know this is the general active duty soilders.
This isn't modern day either where 6 months is all you need to produce a soilder.
The great wars were dier, most people didn't live to retire, so you generally weren't going to be allowed to anyway.
So your reasoning doesn't work for this verse
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My favorite fanon explanation is that there are two different academies. 1 is for the "Elites" which is where clan children and presumably the more skilled civilian children go and then there is the military academy where the vast majority of the shinobi forces are trained. The Elites are the face of the force while the vast majority of the work is actually handled by the military side. They also don't do exams and instead get promoted like regular militaries do. I'd assume the other villages do it the same way and stuff.
Question: can everyone in the Naruto World be trained to be a Shinobi? As in, they all can possibly learn to mold their chakra to do Jutsu? 'Cause, in theory, any Ninja could teach teens and adult civilians to fill up their village's ranks.
Rock Lee exists, so probably not everyone can mold their chakra and Taijutsu seems to require a lot of dedication to be good at.
@@cellularautomatFI Lee's training is clearly based on Guy's and there are other Taijutsu fighters who (likely) did not have to undergo such severe training to reach that level. Remember, Orochimaru was able to assemble an entire army of ninjas to assault the Leaf with the Hidden Sand. Besides, Lee's condition is considered in-universe to be an exception rather than the rule.
Everyone is born with chakra but not everyone learns to mold it to use jutsu, even simple ones like clone jutsu
Too bad we never got basics in how to unlock the skill to mold your chakra besides the fact the academy teaches you but I’m sure a private intructor can help you
@@aceclover758I'm not sure if everyone is born with chakra, since chakra was passed around, person to person, by Hagoromo himself. You had to be the descendant of someone with chakra to be able to inherit it.
@@mallmann72 literally stated everyone is born with chakra. Just not everyone is trained to mold it
I'm not sure you can even wave the Chunin exams, as they kept Naruto as a Genin DESPITE being the MVP of the war, and a Kage and above level fighter. Heck, after saving the whole village on his own from Pain, they kept him as a Genin.
They drafted civilians
nitpicking naruto is like playing jenga, but the jenga tower is sickk and has awesome fights and moments and was a classic timeless anime
I remember the shot of pain in the sky above the konoha village. How the hell they got 20000 ninja in the that small village?
Go look at the manga panels again. The tailed beast-sized hokage mansion looks tiny compared to the full size of Konoha.
The buildings and people are just that great at hiding that we miscalculate the number of ninja by a factor of 100.
@@toptextbottomtext3062 the hokage mansion is the biggest building in the village. Every other building are 2 story house levels.
@@DEVILS_advocate05 Yes, the hokage mansion is one of the biggest buildings in Konoha, but the second part of your comment is absolutely not true. There's literally a tower right next to the hokage residence and in for example the panel where Naruto returns to the village there are numerous 5+ story buildings.
Also feels like Kishimoto regularly forgets that the ninja villages were set up to be small "hidden villages" and not nations. The Hidden Leaf Village is seperate from the Fire Nation. They answer to the Fire Nation but dont lead it and are considered the minority. They are more like a private army than anything.
There is an entire normal world that exists outside the villages, but shippuden regularly forgets this
2 misconceptions that clear up the total number of Shinobi problem.
1: Not all Shinobi live in and come from the village they are a part of.
Most are likely appointed to certain areas of the country where they came from and spend the majority of their time as Shinobi.
2: The Leaf Village Chunin Exams are BS.
The Leaf Village exams are designed to be as hard as possible in comparison to others, and probably aren't designed to actually promote Shinobi.
They are more like a show off of strength, evident by the drastically high causality rate and the high number of final participants being Leaf village Shiniboi.
There's a better number to use than the chunin exams. Use Sasukes report card, the academy had 90 people in his class, it's shown in chapter 221.
The biggest misconception is thinking that Kishimoto ever wrote the hidden villages as small. They were introduced early on in chapter 9 as the greatest military force of their nations with "tens of thousands of shinobi being under kage command throughout the land". The academy was obviously just a tiny part of where shinobi came from. They come from clans all over the world just like before the villages were established. It would be a plot hole if the allied army was small in the war, not the other way around. Most of the reasons for why certain things seemed small is because it's impossible to draw thousands of buildings and people. Every fantasy story deals with this issue, and that's completely fine. The actual lore is what matters. The lore also confirms that it was easy to become chuunin during the last war.
I could see Kishimoto story boarding the final arc and it's like "it's a war with like 1000 high rank ninjas!!" And his producer is like "you know what would be cooler? Like 100x as many ninja" and kishi is like Ok whatever IDGAF anymore
I think it is important to remember that the villages are formed by clans coming together to make a city, so it's population is waaay above 10% military to civilians, it's at least 50% each
It’s weird you’d assume any ninjas on missions would stop whatever mission they are on doing to help in other situations. It’s known that Naruto is considered special because he would stop his mission to help people. That’s not the common response
7:08 is my favorite part because you can just see gamabunta in the crowd 😂
It's Gamakichi, his 'son'
11:05 before the niccas could arrive is krazy 😂
That's not what a plot hole is....
True, because shit like this doesn't change the plot. But it's also not how the Naruto universe works. The hidden villages aren't the only or even the main source of shinobi. It's a new concept in their world. They're mostly hiring/collecting clans that are all over the land. The hidden leaf also isn't producing 9 shinobi a year lol. Everyone in Naruto's class graduated. Literally chapter 1. Probably not the only class either, as suggested by Sasuke's report card. Not everyone becomes a genin after that. They can still use ninjutsu/taijutsu.
@@xaero96 just a buzzword for clicks, literally.
Id argue that Naruto's class was 27 people, but we dont know how many classes were actually run each term. That could easily be 2-10 times as many graduates a term
Downtown of Konoha can easily house at least 10k people. Konoha itself can house more than 50k. I mean, go to google maps, find a small urban city and then look up how many people live there. Don’t take as a reference cities of 1-story-America.
People likely got drafted whether it be civilians, prisoners, outsiders… considering the magnitude of the situation it’s either fight or fall under an eternal dream state. Surely not all ninjas need to know jutsu. Basic combat, cooks, medics, etc…
I think it’s more like Germany’s school system, everyone does a little bit of military training. Everyone goes through the academy and learns how to be a ninja, some chooose to be a ninja some choose to do something else with there lives while still maintaining ninja skills. It’s like how someone can play football in highschool and college and then have a normal job, they still maintain all the old skills just got for use on a day to day. But if there was ever a football world war then I’m sure they would be still considered a football player
You're forgetting the minor villages. The hidden rain, grass, rock, waterfall, frost, and steam. And that's not including the non canon villages that also may or may not exist that would be on that continent. The star village for example while not canon, their headbands were shown in the chunin exams. It's also Implied that nations have multiple hidden villages, we just never see them. We did see one in a non canon arc, or movie, I honestly forget. The hidden dream village, which was said to be in the land of hot springs which would make it a sister village to the hidden steam village. And that's assuming the other ninja villages on other continents weren't involved. Most of those aren't canon to be fair but some of them are, like the hidden lock village, the hidden haze, the land of silence was another samurai land as well.
Basically if we reach we can probably find those numbers. That being said, I doubt the entire world was involved so I do think it stretched beyond the main continent. But it would be absurd to assume the lesser nations with villages were not involved, the battlefield consumed a few of them after all
However, I do think those timeframes you brought up involving graduations and promotions are pretty funny. I mean, you have to assume that more than 18 or 27 ninja die in a year. So idk what kishimoto was thinking
1:45 : Instantly, the biggest problem is ASSUMING the ninja school exam is a YEARLY exam. Except all the problems around it (Naruto age, not knowing the previous year graduates Lee, Neji and Tenten, Naruto earliest memories with Sasuke, etc) can be solved instantly when you see it's never indicated to be a YEARLY exam and potentially, probably, having classes separated by quater-years and the exam repeating every 3 months.
2:55 : Chunin exam is not the only way to become a chunin. Field promotion to chunin is the most common one, the exam is just the more controlled environment test (and an ad for the village with the tournament)
One correction! There are junin exams! Remember Naruto was studying for them near the end.
1. Clans like the hyuuga Don't all become "shinobi of the village". (So konohas shinobi count might be 10000 and then 5000 from the clans came to help)
2. there used to be early graduates like kakashi and itachi but not neji or sasuke so the 9 graduates a year might be new(post 3rd war).
3. Shikamaru was the only KONOHA shinobi to be made chunin FROM THE EXAMS, that doesn't mean he was the only one period or even the only one from konoha that year.
4. Previous generations might have had massive graduations and field promotions during wars as implied in point 2 an 3.
5. Those who passed the academy might still be put into "genin reserves" and given chunin team leaders and the main 9 are the special teams that get a jonin teacher.
I'm sure I could come up a couple more with some time to think but that's it for now.
Isn't this considering that only 1 class graduates every year? The US Coast Guard has a graduation every week. Assuming the leaf's military would function similarly, they would have at least 9 of each class of 27ish (going by the number of three person tables in the class) graduating every week, making a minimum of 468 genin every year. Say they each remain ninja for almost 30 years, that would mean they all retire right after hitting 40, putting the total number of active ninja in the leaf village around 13000-14000 strong. Which is in line with what the data book says, which is 67000 civilians and 13000 ninja live in the leaf village for a total population of 80000. That's just assuming the minimum 9 graduate each week.
80,000 people with basically super soldier serum, and a zombie, one nerd and a crippled almost killed all of them
The amount plot holes in Naruto Universe is so ridiculous. It made me think yeah some of the storylines connected to arcs didnt make any sense.
You have, in good fashion forgotten that ninjas are made in clans and not from the villages. Take the Hyuga clan for example, there are a lot of them who did not become ninjas through the academy (Hanabi is your hugest clue), yet she would still be summoned to fight if there was a war because she is from a ninja clan who also take missions. Also, it's safe to assume that there are a lot of ninja clans that are as extensive and big as the Uzumaki clan before they were wiped out (They had an entire city to themselves btw). Considering it takes days to cross a country by ninjas who literally tree jump whenever there is a forest, we can assume these countries are very big and contain multiple cities. If you look at a real-world map you would notice how unlikely it is to come across a city you are not headed to talkless of a "HIDDEN" village. So it is safe to assume there are a lot of other hidden villages in each country like the hidden eddies and the hidden leaf with large clans, and they easily will make up 80,000 proficient ninjas who are war-ready.
My explanation is that most of those ninjas in the leaf’s division of the army were veterans of the 3rd great ninja war that were mobilized for the 4th ninja war since we can assume that during the 3rd ninja war the standards for the academy were probably lowered since they needed more ninjas. I dunno that’s just my guess.
video idea. top ten strongest jutsus from each element. NCHammer did only lightning and fire then left that idea in the air, so I figured you can pick it back up
Imagine during the war arc, each village can only muster up less than 500 ninjas that can fight, and against a army of 100k white zetsu, that would be hype, rather than number against number, it's individual skillful ninja against overwhelming number of zetsu.
People complaining about how suddenly there are more ninjas. Bruh 80k is literally small. Some football stadiums can even seat up to 100k people and considering the fact that 5 great nations gathered all their ninjas and managed to accumulate only 80k Shinobi's. That number sounds reasonable enough🤦♂️. Also there's a whole ass war going on who's to say they draft Ninja's that didn't qualify for the chunin exams to fight for the war
this is also under the assumption that there is only 1 ninja academy, which is not only never stated in the series, but i also highly doubt.
Also that only a small city is responsible for the entire military force of a nation. Possible there are more ninja villages or cities. And that the ones we know of are the leader. Like the village of the hidden sound. Or that there are other branches. Or that the nation's have actual militaries.
Seems like the villages have secondary villages in their territory, and these ninjas aren't actually leaf ninja prime and so on but more like mercenaries attached for life to the leaf village but who have their own education and graduation systems.
The Chunin exams were a peace time measure that didn't start until the end of the 3rd ninja war 10 years before the start of the series. Most ninja in the Shinobi alliance are probably retired ninja from the 3rd ninja war that reenlisted when the 4th started.
2:18 Third Shinobi World War took place around years before the beginning of the Naruto series , maybe during the war they didn't wait for the ninja to qualify .
Best guess the feudal lords forced through a massive conscription, which would explain why most of them didn’t use ninjutsu
The outpost city is definitely in the land of fire. It took Team 7 about 2 days and nights to reach the Hidden sand, if Sasuke was able to reach the outpost city in just a couple hours pre-time skip then it must be pretty close to the Hidden Leaf.
There are many ninja who weren't within the exams or otherwise shinobi system. The entire Uchiha clan, and much of the Hyuga clan, and everyone in under Danzo, for example. I feel like there is a niche of students who go through the main academy compared to going scooped up by their respective clan or other organizations.
The biggest plot hole was watching the first exam and everyone was inventive and throwing hands despite being kids, and then this army sticks to throwing little daggers.
There are also a ton of ninjas that aren't raised or trained in Konoha. We see various clans living outside the major villages, there's the monks that teach ninjutsu, and there are just traveling ninjas with pupils they teach. These are just the few examples we see in the show primarily focused on Konoha. Likely there are a huge number of shinobi that are in the land of fire by have bring to do with Konoha.
maybe the academy is like the west point for ninjas. Most ninjas are just given the rank of genin if they have any ability after they pass a bootcamp like basic training in the army or something.
One possible argument in favor of that many shinobi being in the war- which would also explain why they used no ninjutsu- is wartime mobilisation.
Maybe the majority of them were retired, and living among the common civilian population, only to be returned into service in time of war.
Probably from other ninja academies, tho not as prestigious as the one Naruto graduated from, which would also help to explain their lower skill level- they just have lower standards in these other academies.
In short, these other academies make Leaf Village academy less special due to it not being a normal one, but if one shinobi from that academy is worth 5 from others it's still pretty damn special- like Oxford University not being the only university in Great Brittain, but certainly being the only one most people know about because of both historical importance and higher prestige.
Actually the math in universe works out pretty well if you don't leave out a bunch of ninja to create a 'plot hole'. Naruto's graduating class was minimum 30, team Asuma is team 10. Also we know for a fact there are other ninja academies, the sound, the grass, the rain and so on.
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1. So one academy per nation after all instead of my solution? Still too little.
2. Genins didn't fight, so that number of 30 class graduates still says nothing.
@@starhalv2427 There isn't one academy per nation. Konoha isn't the nation, the land of fire is. They have other places where shinobi train like the Fire Temple and the Hidden Grass.
And those 30 do mean everything. The chunin exams we see in part one are the exception not the norm, all the konoha 12 made it in the 2 years naruto was away.
5 major villages 60 years at most for them to produce a full class of 30 ninja every year 5 x 60 = 300, 300 x 30 = 9,000
Plus minor villages and the samurai.
We still likely come up short but it is not to the scale this video claims.
@@dyslegein
You're completely right, I just thought you were arguing in favor of official numbers being realistic.
There are also other facts in favor of pretty much every shinobi beating the chunin exam before like a 5th or probably even 4th attempt attempt:
- Guy's father still being a genin as an older adult being a sole exception among his peers
- All participants being teenagers despite no official age limit to participation
Fun fact: Simply having 15000 people in a village would already be MASSIVE, putting it well in the list of biggest villages in the world. Obviously the world of Naruto is different, but those 15000 are only Ninjas, which make only a small fraction of the village population.
• In the manga, we see that there almost 100 people in Naruto's class in the academy. It's just that his class only has 27.
• Kakashi's comment about only 9 becoming genin was a lie to scare team 7
• The leaf probably have a lower population than most other great nations due to the 9 tails attack & the Uchiha massacre, so other villages will have more graduates on average (as would Konoha before those events)
• All genin are expected to become chunin eventually, the exams are more like a fast track
• It's evident from the manga, especially with Asuma's backstory that there are plenty of ninja stationed outside of the village, including ones whose permanent jobs are to look after fuedal lords etc
• While the main fighting forces came from the 5 great nations plus the samurai, it's likely that there were also other ninja from smaller nations
• the village system is pretty young, but it's not only 50 years old, it's about 80 years old. Onoki is 79 in part 2 & was a teen after Madara had defected grin the village, so the system has already been around for a while at that point
So let's say each major village averages somewhere around 133 graduates every 6 months (4/3 the number of students in Naruto's year), pretty much all ninja are chunin by at no later than 18 & retire around 67, & about 10% of ninjas die in action (which is way higher than any IRL armies)
That's about 12,000 ninja per village. Add in another 12k from the samurai & you've got 72k, only needing 8k from the other smaller villages combined
This really isn't a plot hole, people just don't use their brains
For me I have always wondered about Konoha’s food lets for some reason say there’s only 10,000 people in the “village” despite the army numbers, their walled city traffic for goods and food would be non-stop those gates around could only close in true emergencies the roads to the village would always be loaded with/ people. No “village” could ever be “hidden”
It’s simple, every village put like 100-200 ninjas except 1 village who actually invested in their military and put 79500 ninjas by themselves.
It's next to impossible that the possibility of becoming a chunin outside of the chunin exams exists, since it never happened to Naruto himself. If defeating several Akatsuki members, single-handedly saving the village, and playing a pivotal role in saving the entire world isn't enough to get one promoted, I've no idea what could be.
Only 9 people graduated in Naruto’s class. However there’s still a whole ass school with other classes and teachers.
Those ninjas came from the several and whole nations (land of fire for instance) AND the Leader of the villages were the commanders