Oh, and how they’re relatively transparent about the design process, so players can actually help and understand what’s going on, instead of it being a marketing thing
As a DM I nearly cried when opening my first pathfinder setting book. What do you mean everything from food to culture to factions to political structure to people’s daily lives are here?! And I did not just pay 40 dollars for two sentenses of unusable lore?
plus you get all the mechanic and stuff for free on archive of nethys! but yeah, i remember the forgotten realms campaign settings book of dnd 3.0 was very lore packed and even had trade routes. you wont get that quality anymore from 5e it seems...
At 5e: “Wait, but this ‘new subclass’ is just fixed version of an already existing totally brokenly underpowered subclass. Don’t you have something new?” “nah, just print it”
My group and I switched to Pathfinder 2 about 3 months ago, and I can't even look at D&D 5e anymore. The Pathfinder system is superior in every aspect, and I feel that the material treats me with respect (I'm the DM), providing me with all the tools I need.
Employee: "I made an adventure that covers level 1 to 20, that will also serve as a guide enabiling DMs to run games with better balance at higher levels." Boss: "Statistics show players only really play at levels 1-10, cut it in half."
The funniest shit when it comes to 5e is that new subclasses will be in one book, and then they'll take the same subclass and put it in another book that has a whole set of different content otherwise. So you're gonna buy the two books... except some content is copy/pasted.
To be fair, Pathfinder has done things somewhat similar to this once or twice, namely with content from Adventure Path books, though with those there's sort of a view getting put into a hardcover is making them more "legitimate" (as some AP stuff can be a bit wack at times). But even outside that, several weapons from Gods & Magic for example got a republish in Treasure Vault. There's usually a specific reason for these things, like in the AP case increased legitimacy, with the Gods & Magic case because it always kind of felt those weapons were just in there because certain gods needed them to be a thing and it's not like any of the appeal of Gods & Magic was "cool new weapons!", or in the case of the Elementalist archetype which got a reprint in Rage of Elements being as it was getting its spell list reworked in that book. This's actually the reason why I'm alright with Artificer getting reprinted in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything: literally the only class ever published outside the PHB only being accessible in a setting book was a bit weird, so adding it into a "Big expansion to core!" book like Tasha's or Xanathar's does just kind of make sense. (Likewise, while I'm not personally ever planning on getting Mordi's Monsters, I think if a book is actively advertising itself as "literally just made to compile various random bits of content from various books into one with some errata", the book that is fine.)
I ran Waterdeep and the actual adventure had so many fucking plot holes and nonsensical, indirect plot developments and the entite book was so vague I had to make up almost everything to the point I was practically homebrewing a campaign.
Waterdeep was the first campaign I ran from start to finish, and I personally loved it. My goal was to run it strictly RAW, but after the first chapter I ended up going online to try and flesh some of the sidequests out, and ended up homebrewing some stuff as well to keep things interesting and tie in the characrers' backstories. Heck, I wanted to even stay with Jarlaxle being the main villain, but I ended up having to utilize the Zhents and Xanathar as the main villains in the end because Jarlaxle was too sympathetic. The players certainly enjoyed the campaign though. One thing I did hate about the module is that the last chapter is nothing but descriptions of the villains' lairs, and while they are great, if you do everything correctly in the book the players dont ever go into any of the lairs. Not to mention the book is advertised as having replayability by having a different main villain and season the adventure takes place in. The villain and season only comes into play in one chapter, and all it does is change the weather mechanics and who you're chasing after for the magic item. I understand why the Waterdeep Alexandrian Remix is so popular.
You forgot to mention how Pathfinder developers playtested the changes before printing.
Oh, and how they’re relatively transparent about the design process, so players can actually help and understand what’s going on, instead of it being a marketing thing
Boy do they not play test fights.
As a DM I nearly cried when opening my first pathfinder setting book. What do you mean everything from food to culture to factions to political structure to people’s daily lives are here?! And I did not just pay 40 dollars for two sentenses of unusable lore?
fr tho, much more and better content in pathfinder books
plus you get all the mechanic and stuff for free on archive of nethys!
but yeah, i remember the forgotten realms campaign settings book of dnd 3.0 was very lore packed and even had trade routes. you wont get that quality anymore from 5e it seems...
Me who started in 3.5, upon opening any 5E book: "What is this shit."
Travel Guide?
@@investigatingdwarf I’m speaking of the Lost Omens: Travel guide, an official pf2e book with plenty of culture and lore!
At 5e: “Wait, but this ‘new subclass’ is just fixed version of an already existing totally brokenly underpowered subclass. Don’t you have something new?”
“nah, just print it”
😂
My group and I switched to Pathfinder 2 about 3 months ago, and I can't even look at D&D 5e anymore. The Pathfinder system is superior in every aspect, and I feel that the material treats me with respect (I'm the DM), providing me with all the tools I need.
Fun thing in the newest pathfinder 2e book, howl of the wild, mermaid organ farms are now an effective strategy for immortality.
be mermaid
gain access to 9th rank ritual "Clone"
eat self every 1week+2d4months
enjoy immortality
oh wow😂
Employee: "I made an adventure that covers level 1 to 20, that will also serve as a guide enabiling DMs to run games with better balance at higher levels."
Boss: "Statistics show players only really play at levels 1-10, cut it in half."
In my experience, D&D groups last 1d4 sessions and go from level 1 to level 1.
fr😂
The funniest shit when it comes to 5e is that new subclasses will be in one book, and then they'll take the same subclass and put it in another book that has a whole set of different content otherwise. So you're gonna buy the two books... except some content is copy/pasted.
To be fair, Pathfinder has done things somewhat similar to this once or twice, namely with content from Adventure Path books, though with those there's sort of a view getting put into a hardcover is making them more "legitimate" (as some AP stuff can be a bit wack at times). But even outside that, several weapons from Gods & Magic for example got a republish in Treasure Vault.
There's usually a specific reason for these things, like in the AP case increased legitimacy, with the Gods & Magic case because it always kind of felt those weapons were just in there because certain gods needed them to be a thing and it's not like any of the appeal of Gods & Magic was "cool new weapons!", or in the case of the Elementalist archetype which got a reprint in Rage of Elements being as it was getting its spell list reworked in that book.
This's actually the reason why I'm alright with Artificer getting reprinted in Tasha's Cauldron of Everything: literally the only class ever published outside the PHB only being accessible in a setting book was a bit weird, so adding it into a "Big expansion to core!" book like Tasha's or Xanathar's does just kind of make sense. (Likewise, while I'm not personally ever planning on getting Mordi's Monsters, I think if a book is actively advertising itself as "literally just made to compile various random bits of content from various books into one with some errata", the book that is fine.)
I ran Waterdeep and the actual adventure had so many fucking plot holes and nonsensical, indirect plot developments and the entite book was so vague I had to make up almost everything to the point I was practically homebrewing a campaign.
The mind wipe if the party finds the relic early is the worst
playing water deep as a player, its pretty weird I have to agree, but we are having fun at least
Waterdeep was the first campaign I ran from start to finish, and I personally loved it. My goal was to run it strictly RAW, but after the first chapter I ended up going online to try and flesh some of the sidequests out, and ended up homebrewing some stuff as well to keep things interesting and tie in the characrers' backstories. Heck, I wanted to even stay with Jarlaxle being the main villain, but I ended up having to utilize the Zhents and Xanathar as the main villains in the end because Jarlaxle was too sympathetic. The players certainly enjoyed the campaign though.
One thing I did hate about the module is that the last chapter is nothing but descriptions of the villains' lairs, and while they are great, if you do everything correctly in the book the players dont ever go into any of the lairs. Not to mention the book is advertised as having replayability by having a different main villain and season the adventure takes place in. The villain and season only comes into play in one chapter, and all it does is change the weather mechanics and who you're chasing after for the magic item.
I understand why the Waterdeep Alexandrian Remix is so popular.
seems accurate
seems legit
100% accurate
Lol
DnD devs are so incompetent it is no longer funny.