What is a motorcycle after all, but a Bicycle with a motor :D Even Counter steering happens on a bicycle at slow speed, its just the nature of 2 attached parallel wheels with rounded tire patch...
Yes, my clutch control is ok but I find keeping the throttle at a constant rpm the most difficult to do on Versys 1000. I just have to practise more. Thanks.
I find that extending my thumb and keeping it pressed on the throttle housing helps to maintain constant RPM. It may not work for you but there's no harm in trying.
@@kevinb8006 good idea. I've been grabbing a bit of the bar end to as an anchor but my handlebars are 40" across so a big stretch to get too full lock. I'll definitely give your idea a go as I won't have to reach as far. Thanks! 👍🏼
New rider here. I can do figure 8s on my bike within 4 parking spaces, but I've been doing it without touching the clutch much at all. Once i get going, the bike motors along without need of much, if any, throttle and no clutch work to speak, so at quite a slow pace. Im not sure that's a good or bad thing thing, its just how things are going so ??? I've ridden bicycles (mountain bikes primarily) at a fairly high level and practiced bike control ad nauseam, so it translated over. Counter weighting is essentially the same in both disciplines using slow speed. Still though, I feel I need to improve my use of the clutch more since i nerd out on improving whatever I'm into.
Man, you would do great on a DCT then, lol. I’ve had one for a year and I’m still struggling in slow tight u-turns. I think you do whatever works best for you. It doesn’t have to be any one certain way for doing it. I like the trophy winning motorcycle cop that Motojitsu has been promoting lately, he actually uses the front brake to tip into his turns. I think if you’re not using your clutch you are using more speed to your advantage (or else you would be stalling out), just as this gentlemen is which allows him to use the front brake with out stalling out and crashing.
Spot on. It also helped me to slide my butt to the outside of the turn, especially on surfaces with questionable traction. And I practiced on a bicycle while getting my license and bike, which helped a bunch.
I think handlebar rotation has more share than lean angle in tight u turns. Also worth mentioning counter balancing in your slow speed tight turns with throthle and clutch only. Thanks for the video. Cheers and ride safe.
I noticed this the other day. I brought my bike out to do a winter inspection and was riding it around my driveway, I hated feeling like the bike was going to fall and I reflexively went for the brake. Thats what NOT to do! The laws of physics make it harder for the bike to fall when youre leaned at a faster speed, but that effect doesnt feel so obvious when youre at a slower speed.
I think learning to do this with just the clutch and throttle like you suggested in other videos (and not the rear brake) made a really big difference for me. Using the rear brake feels like a crutch this point...I don't sweat doing any u-turns b/c of that clutch control.
Great video! I’m the 1% that has a DCT. What Greg said when introducing the technique of applying constant throttle and controlling speed with the clutch, made sense when he said it takes some skill to do that while negotiating the handle bars. With the DCT this is the technique I have to use when slow speed maneuvering, but using the rear brake since there is no clutch to slip. He suggests using this technique as you progress. I learned “preloading” and using the rear brake from “Be the Boss of your Motorcycle” channel early on in teaching myself slow riding technique on my first motorcycle, which was a 250cc standard dual sport, and it made a world of difference in my command of the bike. Now with this new DCT (2023 Honda NC750X) I have a problem with throttle control getting choppy as hell, if I happen to let off too much either too much on the throttle or off too much on the rear brake, unlike the smoothness of just giving and taking with slipping a clutch. My point is I think my throttle control issues I’m having is not being cognizant enough of the bar angles as I’m turning. It’s so much harder for me to feather that rear brake than it is slipping a clutch which is also likely being affected by my shifting of weight with the bike.
I recently damaged my clutch while doing slow speed exercises ( it was a long time coming) and caught it on camera. Of course, some hero in the comments section told me I was stupid for slipping the clutch in the first place. Bike was repaired for less than $40 in my driveway so yeah, I'm going to keep doing what I was doing
Because your RPMs are too high much of the time. Sure you will disagree, but the fact is that many of us practice slow speed maneuvering and have never had a clutch issue.
@@heybruh3274 yeah I bet with more practice I can lower the RPM's. Blame that on the training school, they taught us to rev high and use the clutch to manage momentum
@@NicksBikes your RPMs should only be about 500-1000 RPM above idle. If you're above about 2000 RPM that's way too much for practicing these exercises.
Been on scooters for many years. Used a tw 200 in msf class in 2012. Recently bought Trk 502. Picked up shifting slow control right away. Some shifts still a little slow methodical and rough. Screw up 4th to 5th shift sometimes, but actually heard may be s thing w this bike. U turns on scooter used to do in my driveway and when i get to work turning around in couple spaces. Had a Zero S for previous sesson before this last one. Struggled real hard on u turns it pissed me off. Something always felt a bit off w front end of that one so traded for the Trk. Glad other than paying for gas. Everything slightly overszed for my liking. May mot be a keeper. On toes, levers closest can be or on 2nd notch 550 pounds. Probably should move my shift lever up one notch. Had lots problems rear brake locking up. I took out the pads ran front brake only for couple weeks until changed caliper and pads. Finally got a wheel stand, but aleady felt like brake was locked up and dragging when tried to test spinning tire 😡. Cleaned and lubed chain, rode a couple hundred miles before put away. Should i lube again when season starts or just wait couple hundred more miles?
Thx for the video, i bought your books, subbed to the channel 👍 But what about DCT bikes without a clutch? Most Honda's sold here in Europe and the UK are DCT's....
love ya brother. Thanks for all your educational videos. I'm in my 5th month of riding and can very comfortably do U-turns/180s and such in large part due to your videos and a few others.
Hey greg! The biggest challenge I often face is the start. In India, often, there's someone blowing a traffic light or coming from the opposite side of the road. And some of the u turns are super tight. Personally, the initial bit, going from a standstill to the full lean while keeping a steady drive becomes a little tricky while also looking out for people out to kill you 😅 I try and practice this every morning but have yet to find a controlled environment (like these massive parking lots) where I can experiment and learn freely.
If you have fear to lean heavily, try it on bicycle where nothing can happen whey you fall down. For sure, you will immediately remenber as you as kid did it with other guys and competeed who will lean more 😂. You will also feel that your body has to create counterweight on opposite side to sty in ballance to draw very tide circle.
yeah who cares what the "instructor" said during the test...do whatever you want..you have your whole life to ride without him telling you what to do..so go experiment and figure things out for yourself.
Here a dutchie…in dutch motorcourse we have been taught to do the U-/8-turn first gear and a slightly bit of rear brake if needed…i was not good a it 😂 I will definitly try your tips not to use rear brake but handle the clutch instead. 👍🏻
It's interesting, we are not actually 'allowed' (it is allowed, but not really practiced as far as I'm aware) to use the clutch for u-turns if you are doing an exam here. We only use the throttle and rear brake
For sure, just thought it was an interesting difference. We do use the method shown in this vid (but along with rear brake) for our low-speed slalom, but not for turns@@MotoJitsu
None of that makes sense, with all do respect. You contradicted yourself by saying “you’re not allowed to use the throttle during U-turns”, and then went on to say there at the end “we only use throttle and rear brake”. Are you trying to say you aren’t allow to slip the clutch during the exam?
8MPH is roughly 13KPH in my neck of the woods. That seems to feel about right. I feel the single-most important thing is to not tense up. If you do, all of the control issues start happening. That's why I think it would be very difficult for me to do this with fixed physical objects on the perimeter of your circle. The vid where you did a circle inside of your garage is a non-starter for me. Man, a sudden shift or twitch turns into sheetrock and bone work in a heart beat. 😅
I know this isn't the place for it but I've no other option, so Very Off topic comment. I was in San Diego 12/29 - 1/11 and had a Fabulous Great time. Wishing I had my bike, but I had my wife so the trade off was worth it. 😀 A few times I saw GS's go by but def none were you. Very briefly thought about a bike rental, but that wasn't in the cards. Great area. The Montezuma Valley Rd (S22) where it falls off the escarpment going down to Borrego Springs is an incredible MC road. Anza-Borrego park well worth it, Palm Canyon is awesome. Sorry for the misplaced post, couldn't help myself. Really enjoyed 'real' pizza, a rare treat away from new yawk. BTW - another great video Greg.
Thank you 🙏 I’ve never taken a course but I’ve been blessed enough to learn from you. I’m sure when I take course I’m going to surprise some folks. Again, thank you @motojitsu
Watch what I do on this DCT Gold Wing ruclips.net/video/3gy9ftbRk1k/видео.html
I use to practice on a mountain bike It helped with building up confidence and then moved over to the cycle
What is a motorcycle after all, but a Bicycle with a motor :D Even Counter steering happens on a bicycle at slow speed, its just the nature of 2 attached parallel wheels with rounded tire patch...
I'm in the UK and this is exactly how i was taught to do slow speed, tight turns. Great video
Yes, my clutch control is ok but I find keeping the throttle at a constant rpm the most difficult to do on Versys 1000. I just have to practise more. Thanks.
yeah me too. Keeping RPMs ca be very tricky depending on our bike. especially if you are on low cc bikes like a 125
Goldwings are touchy on throttle response too. And gobs of low end torque. 2nd gear is better with goosy bikes .
I find that extending my thumb and keeping it pressed on the throttle housing helps to maintain constant RPM. It may not work for you but there's no harm in trying.
@@kevinb8006 good idea. I've been grabbing a bit of the bar end to as an anchor but my handlebars are 40" across so a big stretch to get too full lock. I'll definitely give your idea a go as I won't have to reach as far. Thanks! 👍🏼
@@kevinb8006thx for the tip. I will try!
New rider here.
I can do figure 8s on my bike within 4 parking spaces, but I've been doing it without touching the clutch much at all.
Once i get going, the bike motors along without need of much, if any, throttle and no clutch work to speak, so at quite a slow pace.
Im not sure that's a good or bad thing thing, its just how things are going so ???
I've ridden bicycles (mountain bikes primarily) at a fairly high level and practiced bike control ad nauseam, so it translated over. Counter weighting is essentially the same in both disciplines using slow speed.
Still though, I feel I need to improve my use of the clutch more since i nerd out on improving whatever I'm into.
Man, you would do great on a DCT then, lol. I’ve had one for a year and I’m still struggling in slow tight u-turns. I think you do whatever works best for you. It doesn’t have to be any one certain way for doing it.
I like the trophy winning motorcycle cop that Motojitsu has been promoting lately, he actually uses the front brake to tip into his turns. I think if you’re not using your clutch you are using more speed to your advantage (or else you would be stalling out), just as this gentlemen is which allows him to use the front brake with out stalling out and crashing.
Spot on. It also helped me to slide my butt to the outside of the turn, especially on surfaces with questionable traction. And I practiced on a bicycle while getting my license and bike, which helped a bunch.
I think handlebar rotation has more share than lean angle in tight u turns. Also worth mentioning counter balancing in your slow speed tight turns with throthle and clutch only. Thanks for the video. Cheers and ride safe.
I find myself getting scared because the bike gets too loud, i dont know if i add too much throttle or if im just getting scared for nothing
yup too much throttle
I noticed this the other day. I brought my bike out to do a winter inspection and was riding it around my driveway, I hated feeling like the bike was going to fall and I reflexively went for the brake. Thats what NOT to do!
The laws of physics make it harder for the bike to fall when youre leaned at a faster speed, but that effect doesnt feel so obvious when youre at a slower speed.
Best instructional video ever !!! A little more speed ( clutch control ) and commitment, ultimately make the task easier (and more fun ). Kudos !!!
I think learning to do this with just the clutch and throttle like you suggested in other videos (and not the rear brake) made a really big difference for me. Using the rear brake feels like a crutch this point...I don't sweat doing any u-turns b/c of that clutch control.
Hello mate, went back to the GS, great machine choice and kind of easy to handle regarding its weight.
Great video! I’m the 1% that has a DCT. What Greg said when introducing the technique of applying constant throttle and controlling speed with the clutch, made sense when he said it takes some skill to do that while negotiating the handle bars.
With the DCT this is the technique I have to use when slow speed maneuvering, but using the rear brake since there is no clutch to slip. He suggests using this technique as you progress. I learned “preloading” and using the rear brake from “Be the Boss of your Motorcycle” channel early on in teaching myself slow riding technique on my first motorcycle, which was a 250cc standard dual sport, and it made a world of difference in my command of the bike.
Now with this new DCT (2023 Honda NC750X) I have a problem with throttle control getting choppy as hell, if I happen to let off too much either too much on the throttle or off too much on the rear brake, unlike the smoothness of just giving and taking with slipping a clutch.
My point is I think my throttle control issues I’m having is not being cognizant enough of the bar angles as I’m turning. It’s so much harder for me to feather that rear brake than it is slipping a clutch which is also likely being affected by my shifting of weight with the bike.
Made a video today riding a 2023 DCT Rebel 1100, will release tomorrow
Awesome I’m looking forward to it. Thanks!
Valuable information; thanks
Gs is is back and so are slow speed manouvers.
the main thing for me really is to replace the instinct of putting down your foot with easing out the clutch
Practice!
I recently damaged my clutch while doing slow speed exercises ( it was a long time coming) and caught it on camera. Of course, some hero in the comments section told me I was stupid for slipping the clutch in the first place.
Bike was repaired for less than $40 in my driveway so yeah, I'm going to keep doing what I was doing
ruclips.net/video/tkXbZkx4IEM/видео.html These were my drills when my clutch dies
Because your RPMs are too high much of the time. Sure you will disagree, but the fact is that many of us practice slow speed maneuvering and have never had a clutch issue.
@@heybruh3274 yeah I bet with more practice I can lower the RPM's. Blame that on the training school, they taught us to rev high and use the clutch to manage momentum
@@NicksBikes your RPMs should only be about 500-1000 RPM above idle. If you're above about 2000 RPM that's way too much for practicing these exercises.
This helps a lot. And yea, practice or better, shut up and practice :)
I'd like to practice but the price of repairs from dropping is 😅
Buy crash bars and stop making excuses
Ya I don't like that feeling lol
Same mainly because I don’t have crash bars and don’t like the thought of tearing up my beautiful expensive plastics and levers 😅
Been on scooters for many years. Used a tw 200 in msf class in 2012. Recently bought Trk 502. Picked up shifting slow control right away. Some shifts still a little slow methodical and rough. Screw up 4th to 5th shift sometimes, but actually heard may be s thing w this bike. U turns on scooter used to do in my driveway and when i get to work turning around in couple spaces. Had a Zero S for previous sesson before this last one. Struggled real hard on u turns it pissed me off. Something always felt a bit off w front end of that one so traded for the Trk. Glad other than paying for gas. Everything slightly overszed for my liking. May mot be a keeper. On toes, levers closest can be or on 2nd notch 550 pounds. Probably should move my shift lever up one notch. Had lots problems rear brake locking up. I took out the pads ran front brake only for couple weeks until changed caliper and pads. Finally got a wheel stand, but aleady felt like brake was locked up and dragging when tried to test spinning tire 😡. Cleaned and lubed chain, rode a couple hundred miles before put away. Should i lube again when season starts or just wait couple hundred more miles?
Thx for the video, i bought your books, subbed to the channel 👍 But what about DCT bikes without a clutch? Most Honda's sold here in Europe and the UK are DCT's....
Look at the pinned comment and yesterdays video
I'm not a really regular viewer, sorry Greg 😬, BUT when I do I ALWAYS learn something. 👍🙏
love ya brother. Thanks for all your educational videos. I'm in my 5th month of riding and can very comfortably do U-turns/180s and such in large part due to your videos and a few others.
Hey greg! The biggest challenge I often face is the start. In India, often, there's someone blowing a traffic light or coming from the opposite side of the road. And some of the u turns are super tight. Personally, the initial bit, going from a standstill to the full lean while keeping a steady drive becomes a little tricky while also looking out for people out to kill you 😅 I try and practice this every morning but have yet to find a controlled environment (like these massive parking lots) where I can experiment and learn freely.
If you have fear to lean heavily, try it on bicycle where nothing can happen whey you fall down. For sure, you will immediately remenber as you as kid did it with other guys and competeed who will lean more 😂. You will also feel that your body has to create counterweight on opposite side to sty in ballance to draw very tide circle.
Riding buddy got me started on a few drills. Found just how little friction zone my bike has. Time for clutch maintenance 👊
The problem is not doing U-turn, but doing U-turn in very heavy traffic
if you're trying to do a u-turn in very heavy traffic, your judgment to get into that situation in the first place is what the problem is
weight shifted outside slighty with a little more pressure in the outside footpeg I'm guessing...
If only your bike was as pretty as you are!
in UK turning off the bike by kill switch is total FAIL on the exam
no one cares what or will not fail you in a beginner course
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Resting your feet on the crash bars is the biggest reason why I've thought about getting them 🤣
And that's where I was going wrong
Are those Black Dog head covers
When you say "lean the bike" does it mean like shoving it like digging with a gravel, or do you use counter steering? Specially on a sportsbike
no other way to turn any bike...doesn't matter what bike it is
ruclips.net/video/5YC6TJlmBzc/видео.html
My instructor said I wasn't allowed to use the clutch for U-turns (on the exam), do you got any tips for that?
yeah who cares what the "instructor" said during the test...do whatever you want..you have your whole life to ride without him telling you what to do..so go experiment and figure things out for yourself.
Here a dutchie…in dutch motorcourse we have been taught to do the U-/8-turn first gear and a slightly bit of rear brake if needed…i was not good a it 😂 I will definitly try your tips not to use rear brake but handle the clutch instead. 👍🏻
You go in the direction you are looking. But confidence is the hindrance.
ruclips.net/video/YwrnYNxaOqo/видео.htmlsi=b4nvM6HEgv_GLDYF
It's interesting, we are not actually 'allowed' (it is allowed, but not really practiced as far as I'm aware) to use the clutch for u-turns if you are doing an exam here. We only use the throttle and rear brake
Who cares what an exam says, do what you want once you get your license
For sure, just thought it was an interesting difference. We do use the method shown in this vid (but along with rear brake) for our low-speed slalom, but not for turns@@MotoJitsu
None of that makes sense, with all do respect. You contradicted yourself by saying “you’re not allowed to use the throttle during U-turns”, and then went on to say there at the end “we only use throttle and rear brake”.
Are you trying to say you aren’t allow to slip the clutch during the exam?
@@M1k3y0501 Hahaha I guess I'm more tired than I thought, I meant clutch yeah, will edit :P
It’s all good 😂Thanks. I guess I can read between the lines better than I thought.
02:28 harley rider mode on
Good drills, practice makes in perfect
Love these videos i struggle with slow speed drills
what gets me is moving the handle bar so far that it hits the stops. just knowing it is all the way to the right or left irks me
Don’t need to do that
I like the way you are still evolving
How fast do I need to go? I find it difficult to lean the bike as much.
Watch the video
At least 8 mph. Got it, thanks!
@@ianbautista3672Dude…lol…I heard him say 5mph. Did we watch the same video?
@@M1k3y0501yes. Go to 4:58 in the video.
8MPH is roughly 13KPH in my neck of the woods. That seems to feel about right. I feel the single-most important thing is to not tense up. If you do, all of the control issues start happening. That's why I think it would be very difficult for me to do this with fixed physical objects on the perimeter of your circle. The vid where you did a circle inside of your garage is a non-starter for me. Man, a sudden shift or twitch turns into sheetrock and bone work in a heart beat. 😅
Recognition for the photographer.
Is it possible to make the Motojitsu app able in metric also?
already has the feature in it since day 1
@@MotoJitsu sounds great
Great
How many degrees does your BMW lean when you do that? 4:43
No idea
I know this isn't the place for it but I've no other option, so Very Off topic comment. I was in San Diego 12/29 - 1/11 and had a Fabulous Great time. Wishing I had my bike, but I had my wife so the trade off was worth it. 😀 A few times I saw GS's go by but def none were you. Very briefly thought about a bike rental, but that wasn't in the cards. Great area. The Montezuma Valley Rd (S22) where it falls off the escarpment going down to Borrego Springs is an incredible MC road. Anza-Borrego park well worth it, Palm Canyon is awesome. Sorry for the misplaced post, couldn't help myself. Really enjoyed 'real' pizza, a rare treat away from new yawk. BTW - another great video Greg.
How many degrees of lean angle are you getting?
No idea
What about DCT?
🤦🏻♂️ look at the pinned comment, he even says it right there in the damn video, brother.
Maybe watch all of the vid?
Thank you 🙏 I’ve never taken a course but I’ve been blessed enough to learn from you. I’m sure when I take course I’m going to surprise some folks. Again, thank you @motojitsu
just that feeling of falling over has never stopped me from learning things 🥲