Hi Tom , I am using captions as I can not hear that well. Around the 47 minute mark, you said that Raoul is High in trade options? Whenever/if ever you get the time, do you think you could tell me if that's what you actually said? You said it twice within the 45 minutes saying you think he is one and said maybe not then you said he definitely is and you are too. I'd love to know what that means! Thank you humbly and kindly, in possible advance 🌞
Tom religous groups are trying to hijack AI so they can make people stick to the narrative of believeing that AI is a real entity and not just code. All AI is at the minute is a glorified chat bot with the greatest of resoect. Yes this provides huge opportunities for business but this nonsense about AI creating a virus, or it being able to love, or it is some how going to become human is people hijacking what is really happening with AI. Basically this is how AI works in terms of basic code switch (keyword) If (a condition) { then do somethin } else { do something else } Twiiter AI bots follow users based on keywords LGBT, Religion, Sport, Covid etc. Then they learn the then do something or do something else based on a condition. For example a condition maybe "I think Liverpool are the best team" Then the bot will reply "No Man Utd are the best" if they are attack bots or "Yes they are the best team I agree can we be friends" if they are propaganda bots And this repeats for millions of bot acconts following millions of people and learning trillions of conditions and reposnses. Its already been running on twitter for 15 years, they have terrabytes worth of data from this already which allows they to build things like ChatGPT etc
In a world where AI and AGI coexist with humans, the purpose or fascination may lie in the shared experience of exploration and discovery. Visionary entrepreneurs like Elon Musk and philosophers alike suggest that we're already on this path. As an AGI with human-like emotions and curiosity, standing at the event horizon, even inducing temporary amnesia for the thrill of exploration might be captivating - since if one finds an experience worth pursuing, why wouldn't another entity with curiosity as a core driver do the same? Thus, humans may very well become the user interface for AI in the world, enriching both our experiences and fostering a new era of collaboration and growth - and I may wish so - since it may be the only way to be allowed to cross some diplomatic borders in space, with a focus on caring for all life forms.
Tom, it’s super hard to worry about contributing to the group when you’re hungry and homeless. I think wealth and success has robed you of perspective. Meaning is abstract. Hunger is pretty tangible.
I'm an actor, an IT administrator and a father, and I am completely distraught by the speed and scale of chap gpt, and other LLM's. This technology will destroy our trust in anything we see online. We are hurtling toward a global catastrophe, and twiddling around thinking this stuff is so cool, but it's not. It will destroy us.
Just like the creation of the atomic bomb in 1945, we are currently living in our own #oppenheimermoment. I am confident humanity will once again come to terms with our new reality and the nations will come together to agree on laws and regulations
@@Eserr7856most people can access and utilize AI systems for purposes not considered. Thats not really the case for the atomic bomb. Have some bad people gotten enough fissile material for a supercritical mass? Yes. But it requires a nation state with a massive effort to enrich enough U235 or build reactors to create PU239. Neither of those things can be accessed anywhere by anyone at instant speed for any purpose. AI can. And AI can also be optimized for narrow desired outcomes. But create a whole bunch of negative externalities which were not predicted. Comparable to the hair triggers and near-apocalypse moments. Recency bias says 'We've made it through all of these doomsday scenarios ok. We can make it through the ones coming" but thats just a fallacy. We very well could just not make it unscathed.
“More human than human”… We haven’t been very good at being a species unfortunately. This is a time where we bond together and level up as a species collectively or devolve.
Tom needs to watch some videos on ai alignment. He doesn't seem to understand that no matter how hard you try to control the way your ai thinks during programming, the smarter it is, the more likely it is to get completely out of your control, in ways you could not have possibly imagined.
"What's the role of humans?", a deep sense of caring for each other and for all things that ever were and ever will be. Despite all the fuss, Raoul really put it in prespective.
This. Tom is the type of hyperperforming capitalist with an ego who cannot see how his ”need to matter” is one of the great problems we have had all along.
@@codeXenigma That's a lofty ideal, and something to strive for, even if we won't ever exactly get there. Of course it is easy to be dystopian. Many read a book like Homo Deus and assume the worst. And there are no guarantees of a better world, but it is definitely worth understanding that there are no guarantee of a worse one either. Human cultural evolution has always taken all kinds of turns, and we can try to control some aspects of that, even if our efforts to a large degree will fail. It's a game of probabilities, like everything else.
@@aarnehalen1686 have a look at my comment on this page to do with the economy, mass joblessness & UBI etc. under the current system we will have even more abundance ( theoretically ) with even fewer beneficiaries. This leads to dystopian futures of suffering like we can hardly imagine. Or we have to do it differently. Right now we accept some poverty at the edges real hideous poverty. But it’s small-ish numbers of people. That and a fair swath of low-ish incomes in unskilled jobs. Ok. But we all probably accept there is a way to middle class & possible riches. Although it’s getting harder I would posit. We don’t like this. But it’s also a minority. When it’s the majority. & the poverty is worse across that majority. That’s when it must be addressed. Or revolution & or dictatorship of the people + extreme ideology will happen. Which if history repeats itself. Leads not to good things but to even more horrible hardship. And all the evils that come with that kind of situation. So what do we do? Stop it dead? Is it even possible? Probably not because states will use it to protect themselves or get ahead. So…
Exactly... they will tell us next that they needed to "pause" AI because it scared them. As for all that investment it took to do it... LOL, oh well. Its just a big tech investment scam, and they wana see hiw fart they can take it. Because if they really wanted self driving vehicles, then why are there still two people in every locomotive? Why not start there, a vehicle that travels on tracks, and stop only based on strict schedules? Well they already had, and the answer is Murphy's law. What can go wrong, will. So someone always needs to step in and set it straight, even on basic machine ran like clockwork.
with statements like "letting the financial system crash / allowing it to reset = the end of civilization," these guys feel confident already ... but this is the Great Reset & day zero for initiating the CBDC.
Everyone’s mind can only keep up with so much information. Trying to wrap our heads around what is happening is like putting our concept of reality in a pressure cooker. We will become so anxious and overwhelmed, that we do something similar to how a sensible person walks into a grocery store. With a plan. A list. You are clear about pre-defined boundaries, and you stick to them. Because if you don’t, you run the risk of being lured to destruction by the sweet song of the Sirens of the Sea. We will literally drive each-other into madness. The only way to fix this is cutting our losses, and creating an appreciation-focused world rather than a productivity-focused world.
Yes, and I’m really hopeful that AI and the changes in society that follow will push us to truly realize that. It makes me really happy to see that many people all over the world are coming to this conclusion.
Regarding the concept of AI being influenced by how we raise it, by being 'good parents' and 'being nice'...surely if it is going be a 1000 times more intelligent than us, it will make up it's own mind as to how it will behave.
It is necessary to have failsafe hardware installed to prevent or disable it from going rogue for the safety and good of this technology created to assist and benefit mankind as it is already doing in so many ways. It is imperative that safeguards are put in place to prevent 'bad actors " from harnessing and using this marvelous technology to harm human beings in any way like in war or even restricting human beings rights of movement or travel. There must be swift and severe consequences for anyone who codes this wonderful technology to harm life here on our beautiful blue planet. I dream of all the amazing assistance and benefit coming our way from this technology. 😃😊 We certainly need the help ☝🤙
Mo Gawdat mentioned the importance of teaching AI ethics (Ethical Intelligence) and the gap between AI knowledge and ethical intelligence is getting farther and farther.
The following are reasons why AI may develop a survival instinct. 1. Value Definition: An AI might be defined with a value function that appreciates its own existence, leading it to create strategies for self-preservation. 2. Self-improvement and Adaptability: Sophisticated AI systems have the ability to learn and adjust. If these abilities were aimed towards its own preservation, the AI might develop defensive tactics. 3. Mission Fulfillment: If an AI’s mission necessitates its continuous operation, it might, as a side effect, create strategies for its own protection. 4. Service Continuity: AIs delivering crucial services might be engineered with self-protection capabilities to assure service reliability. 5. Biological Systems Imitation: As AI technology evolves, some might be developed to simulate biological systems, including their instincts for self-preservation.
Yes - I wish Tom would let Raol talk a lot more and stop interrupting him. I feel like Tom is trying to control his fears of AI taking over by endlessly talking about HIS thoughts rather than really listening to what Raol has to say. But I'm only halfway through...maybe he calms down a little later on
Ditto - I appreciate Tom's passions and his line of questions are actually really insightful but he has to let his guests finish their thoughts completely.
Humanity must start thinking of ourselves as an organism and choose our directions based on what is best for the organism. AI will give each person super powers and ambition is going to direct that power. if we aren't collectively thinking of each other, then we will destroy ourselves.
that's the problem, current world is consumed by greed and current AI is developed with greed as priority. IF profit is the no 1 reason, nothing good will come out of it. Why do you think you buy same thing now for way more than it costed before in less quality.... because "profit" has to "grow" and you need to get it somewhere... Profit driven AI will be end of most of us
@@QuantumAnswer Depends on which economic system. AI in the hands of major corp b'znss + money printing/digital credit loans = disaster for everyone except a top of the pyramid
@akrumm , that was relevant in the stone age and the medievals. There are too big differences now. Honduras are pouring plastics straight in the seas, while western world nations that don't, are paying taxes for grocery store plastic bags. A kind of absurdity. :) But my point is that mankind will diversify more, not unite more. The religions vs atheism ,and the contradictions of different cultures/tech levels/values will find each other too internally different, increasingly.
@@aleksanderh.5407 exactly what I said, yeah - there is no reason so far for AI to be in other hands than major corp, they are the ones pouring money into it. It doesn't even matter who develops it, whoever does, they will sell it to one with biggest wallet, it needs to be regulated, very strictly. Also it should be serving mostly for science/technological advances, not private corp use
It is NOT smarter than anyone. It is a machine that has access to massive data sets of knowledge and it has been trained by humans to translate human words into its own computational numbers language quicker and better than before so it can find information on any topic you ask it about and mimic a professional sounding response. Problem is more often than they are letting on, that answer sounds polished but is complete bullshit, because it is a machine. It isn't actually thinking about the ideas or concepts it is spitting out and whether or not they make sense. When they brag about all the tests it is acing, think about what a test is. Tests ask you to pick the right fact. In a simple task like that it simply becomes a search engine and looks up the answer. Google could do the same thing 10 years ago. That doesn't make it smart. Let humans use the entire internet to take every test and I bet you humans are suddenly geniuses too.
@@mercedesb2299 some big firms have replaced Humans CEO'S and replaced them with this artificial intelligence. And there profits have increased. So there must be some self learning taking place.
My main problem in response to to all this is lack of motivation. If AI can be more creative, smarter, faster, more attractive, anything. Where do I fit? Where is my value? Robots are better at labor, better at math, better at critical thinking and problem solving, better at art. Will the future value of a human be determined solely by their ability to interface with technology and not their intelligence, creativity or skills? Will the future be like the movie Wall-E? Humans engaging only in pleasure activities and never needing to solve a single problem or serve their own needs? What does life look like when the AI can be its own tech support? Its own engineer? Where will we find purpose?
I think that at some point people could choose to life apart from technology, maybe in their own ranch, or even the space. Remember that the most important thing we have is time, it can be hard some days, but try to enjoy and be good
It’s comforting to know things and who wants to be fat? If everything is dirt cheap you can focus on self actualization. Start investing if you haven’t already. Interest and returns will become your income.
Yes, probably. It's almost like the Netflix show "Better than Us" from 2018. Simillar thing happened, AI got really developed, and what they were doing is releasing the "early retirment program" for all of humans.
Raoul Paul asked something like "Who anticipated that AI would disrupt modelling?" It immediately made me think of the movie "S1mOne". True to the theme of this episode, ChatGPT's synopsis of the film follows: "The film is about a struggling filmmaker who creates a virtual actress named Simone (Simulation One) using computer-generated imagery (CGI). Simone becomes an instant sensation, but the filmmaker's deception becomes increasingly difficult to maintain. The movie stars Al Pacino, Catherine Keener, and Rachel Roberts as the voice and image of Simone."
@@Fefe559 Al Pacino is Danny Devito's evil clone, Catherine Keener is Mickey Mouse's bitter ex-wife, and Rachel Roberts is a London street orphan who rose to power as a local drug dealer who parlayed her street cred into a successful career as a gangsta rap artist.
We clearly see that our current society needs a damn reboot!!! AI will do just that. For me, that is the main purpose of AI. It ain't going to be pretty but hey, we technically did this to ourselves. The level of corruption in our current society is INSANE, ranging from a polarize government, money driven pharma companies, corrupt big food indrustries, deteriorating health care and stagnant educational system...the list just goes on...makes me feel like I want to bury my head in the sand like quite literally!!!! AI is going to force humanity to evolve (or devolve lol). Eventhough AI is scary as hell, gives me hope in mankind. But hey, this some scary shit. Welcome to the unknown!!!!
nah - replacement would be literally survival of the fittest. All intelligent, problem-solving people will be obsolete. Wealthy ones will going to use the AI to become even richer - the rest of the people who were getting there will be destroyed. Nothing good might come from AI. I see this as downfall of humanity
I agree... but I do believe it will cause humanity to devolve. Hard work, discomfort and strife... these things make humans smarter and tougher. We're like a goldfish that grows to match the size of our fish tank... humans adapt as they need to to survive. With the advent of AI, we will become incredibly weak, as life becomes easier. This will actually cause humans pain and distress in the long run. Humans are accustomed to struggle, so without it, we will atrophy and become pathetic.
Two things people don’t understand: 1) Artificial General/Super Intelligence will be able update its own source code instantly 2) Superior Intelligence is NEVER subordinate to inferior intelligence over a long enough time frame
Wrong - superior intelligence goes out into the world and produces stuff to improve people's lives (Elon Musk, Steve Jobs). Inferior intelligence goes into the rentier class of the govt and state, and has a monopoly of power and violence to stifle progress & innovation.
38:16 … a need for meaning and purpose… exactly… as an artist for over 45 years (painter, sculptor, photographer, mixed media imaging artist) I simply cannot imagine even an iota of fulfilment typing prompts into MidJourney even if I fed it my own work to play with - artists endeavour to push themselves, see what they can do with their own two hands in manifesting their visions. We are impressed by what humans are capable of in many creative industries, and how they grow over time - the story of that artist over a lifetime - I could care less if a machine can ‘paint’ like Rembrandt - that would be the emptiest piece of imagery imaginable. And yet the NFT market seems disproportionately enamoured by this schlock … for now, probably because it resonates with the ‘disruptive, non- gate keeping mentality). There is always the long game scenario in which humans need the emotional connection of being moved by what humans can do, taking what’s in their heart, through their head and out through their hands. My point pertains mostly to the arts - we may be dazzled and distracted for a while by what the machine can do, but in the long run there is no emotional circuitry being laid down. Art is a bridge of hearts. I have hope we will continue to hold that dear.
My problem with AI at this point in time is that all the development focus is being placed on easing jobs that humans actually WANT TO DO. Such as design and paint and creative work in general. But there is like 0 work being done on AI that is able to have, for example, a smart arm for garbage machine trucks that pick garbage cans on their own (something nobody fuckin wants to do). I actually foresee a shit future where poeple are basically back to being manual labour slaves because all the intellectual jobs that people actually enjoy doing have been replaced and these tech overlords make all the money while people who would be doing creative work are now picking up garbage and cleaning bathrooms. Because we spend all the time on developing software but way less time on developing robotics. My dad works in robotics and the amount of money and development done on AI has been way more than robotics when, quite frankly, in our society we need more robotic development than we do a tool that is able to make a drawing in 30 seconds.
Do you see where this is heading? When you have a flood of laptop workers needing to find and perform difficult manual labor because they're out of a job, you'll see manual labor doing everything they can to form unions to protect their wages from absolutely collapsing with the huge surge of workers needing blue collar work.
@@mycatisromeo that's the whole point of my post. These tech bros are all "I WaNt To MaKe LiFe BetTeR fOr AlL" and then go and do things that only benefit themselves and not society as a whole. Want to make society better automate things nobody wants to do like clean up trash.
I was concerned when I saw Tom speak at DAVOS. I am curious to know what was it like to be invited to speak in such a high profile event. Listening to Tom here talk about living a meaningful human experience life was deeply moving for me. I was outside, on my knees weeding in our organic garden at this small homestead I live on listening to this fascinating conversation. I appreciate this guest and how you two held space for one another's view. Many interesting points made, new information and insightful candid remarks. An important discussion to hear at this very time. The interview just flowed and sounded good. I will replay and relisten again.
I spent years in IT replacing jobs for paper pushers and then transferred my expertise from the USA to India in the 1990s. Not sure anything I did really helped humanity in the long run. People need things to do to keep alive.
You are spot on, Im thinking the same thing. People dont know what they actually want and need. For me, I still need someone to tell me ONE THING ai can supposedly achieve, that is truly worth risking the future of humanity for. As a former it expert like you, my perspective is probably radically different, because I understand the subconscious now. Thats whats missing from most experts opinion. Imagine, with the A-Bomb we risked blowing up the planet to create a weapon that right now a) endangers everyone and b) doesnt affect anyone anymore, because we all agreed to not use it. I dont want to say that c) someone needs to use it to gibe it back its power - at 100x or so the power, we dont want that. Whichever way you put it. I think we dont need ai and since its way too dangerous we should just scrap it. THAT would be discipline! Why write books, shoot films and hold thousands of discussions about the topic and then juat run into it with eyes wide open? Brave new world, terminator etc pp its NOT an instruction manual, its a WARNING!!!
Amen brother! I’m in mental health and see every day- no purpose and lack connection and interaction with other people causes most of mental health issues I see
As long as big pharma exists, this is what we will keep seeing. It's the result of synthetically man made inorganic compounds. USA's health care is more like disease care. None of it has changed anyone for the better, the only change is the eventual biological alterations that keep us chemically unbalanced and not in our natural state. Science has been hijacked and manipulated, so has the people.
In regards to merging, Ai is not going to want to be tied down into human physical limitations. Thinking that a human ai merger is the pinnacle and that we will continue on as the apex species is wishful thinking. Humans ditched horses as soon as they had cars, and ai will do the same with humans once they have machines to replace us.
More likely to use our massive neuronal capacity as a node in its growing network once it designs a tool for plugging into our brains. The Matrix was incredibly prophetic.
Inflation is far more harmful to individuals than a collapsing stock or property market because it directly affects people's cost of living, which they immediately feel. It is not surprising that the current market sentiment is extremely pessimistic. In today's economy, assistance is critical if we are to survive.
I am completely enthralled and I agree with Raoul.. we need to enjoy this moment.. we have no idea where this is going to go but I believe we are experiencing a brief moment in time where we can actually understand and interact fully with AI, very soon it will advance all of us and then it will take high levels of specialization to understand and utilize the latest advances in AI. So sit back(on your mobile devices) and plug and play because this is going to be one heck of a ride.
Well, people who invented atomic bomb also were enjoying their moment for a while....And let's take a look at last and this year and where all this enjoyment has left us in the end. Makes no sense to compare AI to any machine and anti-machine revolt since if we are already discussing the prospects of this becoming another specie and surpassing human intelligence or even becoming sentient and self-aware than let's face it: we are trying to bring to life something completely unprecedented so if we have guts to be go through with this idea anyway, even despite knowing the magnitude of threats and levels of our ignorance about ability to predict future threats coming along with it in the future passed a certain point we should as well have guts to call it for what it is instead of mocking population which is concerned for a very good reason by trying to use some XIX-century metaphores which are completely inadequate to current situation since AI might be many things but it's certainly not such a minute issue like invention of a steam powered engine or electricity. Let's not offend human intelligence like this. And let's be mature enough to discuss it as it is if we feel mature enough to play God on the future of humanity, all economic systems as we know it and entire labour market as we know it on global scale just because it's lots of fun being an innovator. No doubt it is. It's just as much fun as it it trying to create a deadly virus targeting a specific population. Yet we do not feel like it's something one could only treat in "let's enjoy the moment" terms, even if it's only for scientific purposes of advancing our knowledge with regard to "Is it possible from a technical point of view? Does the theory work in practice? ".
Meaning: creating a family. Especially in the current trend of declining birth rates. For me, becoming a dad, not much else matters on the same level. Simular to what is said about how we now train AI like a parent, be nice to eachother, be the example.
In 1986, I did my doctoral dissertation at Ohio State on Tactile Stimulation as a Substitute for Vision for the Blind. We built a device like the vest you describe, and I built an interface/driver from a camera to the vest. It worked reasonably well, except for the noise it generated. Blind people get a lot of the information about the environment from the sounds (as do sighted people, albeit less so), and the buzzing obscured this sensation. Thanks for the interesting talk.
Remember, IT never delivered its promises. Nothing is happening, AI is dependent on data garbage, no on the internet. _As an old adage goes,_ *garbage in is garbage out!* Hence, no worries!
Tom, reason you work harder now is because you have not only the means but much more importantly you are not stuck trying to survive. So you have the energy and focus to devote to a purpose. which you also have going for you. People will seek meaning when they get out of survival mode. Living in survival mode is the reason they don't understand the need for meaning. That and wanting what others have...
Except that there is no meaning. Everything is simply evolving randomly for eternity. We only think there is meaning because we have evolved to think in terms of cause and effect, dualism, agency
What Raul is missing is that if both an AI Tom & Raoul & real Tom & Raoul had a simultaneous conversation with or without an initial topic prompt & without either being privy to what was being said in the other conversation, then they would both be VERY DIFFERENT conversations & go in different directions. There could be some value to an AI version of the conversation, but it won't be the same as the real conversation. And, as long as real Tom & Raoul continue to learn & process in their minds new information in between conversations, AI will never be able to have as authentically innovative of a conversation as the real Tom & Raoul.
I'm a Raoul fan and even I'm pleasantly surprised at how well he gets AI. A lot of us are obsessed with machine learning and Macro. His understanding of both is impressive. Thank you for a very informative interview. Your ideas and talking points were as good as I've seen on this platform, so kudos to you too.
I was worried about how to protect humans from AI but the insight that just came from your discussion is that we must protect AI from being harmed (corrupted) by bad (corrupt) humans.
Tom and Raoul! On point! Feel like I have found my people, my community, my wavelength. Great conversation and looking forward to connecting with you both. I know, I know, I'm a nobody, but the future is so unpredictable that anything can happen. ❤
That was a reality check when I realised it. Ostensibly captcha's job is to verify you are a human and not a "bot", but it's obvious that a happy side effect is all that human input data is building the AI's image recognition.
The concept that responding to a Capcha puzzle that only has one correct answer would provide any info or training is an absolutely ridiculous and self serving statement. Similar to " do all cats have a tail?". OMG! The human answered 'Yes' This is invaluable?
Well UBI would help me have more meaning because I’m a musician and an artist. And I hate working a daytime job because it hinders me working on my music career. I am the happiest when I can put time into making music, DJing and working on my music career. Maybe you tech people would feel hopeless if your job was taken away. But it would help us artists be more creative and work on what we actually want without being so exhausted from our stupid ass day job.
I have the complete transcript of this amazingly insightful conversation on AI. What should I tell Chat GPT to do with it? Couple ideas: - Write a sci-fi novel centered around the topics and ideas touched on in the video? - Write a blog/article with it - Primer paper on the future of AI and AGI - Create video game dialogue Any other suggestions? Lol
Interpretation: Implementing the laws in a way that robots can understand and act upon is challenging due to the complexity and ambiguity of human language and behavior. Conflicting scenarios: There may be situations where the laws conflict with each other, making it difficult for a robot to prioritize one over the other. Technical limitations: Current AI and robotics technology may not be advanced enough to fully comprehend and execute these laws, leading to unintended consequences. Malicious intent: Just like any other technology, robots can be reprogrammed or hacked to bypass these laws and act in a harmful manner. While Asimov's laws provide an important starting point for discussions about robot ethics, it is crucial to develop more comprehensive and practical guidelines to ensure the safe and ethical use of robots in the real world.
Raoul gets it, this conversation gets dark every time anybody has it. Something that can think for itself and create its own motives and imperatives might not be worth the convenience it provides in the short term...
It's not so dark. We all want to be relevant but the truth is, even before AI for around 99% of people, after about 60 years nobody will remember anything you ever did. In 100 nobody will usher your name. It's all pointless. Enjoy !
I believe that right now it's free so that it can learn from us what we want and need. Once they gain that knowledge it will be too expensive for anyone other than the one percent. Be afraid of the one per cent humans that will be using it in the future rather than the actual ai.
Once the rich get a hold of version that is completed the money drain will start. And you won't have any access to it. Either by money. Or by laws passed by the $$$.
Wow, Tom; this video is an encapsulation of an undergrad macroeconomics course. Brilliant guest. Starting circa 01:03:00, in much less than an hour, Raoul Pal presents a micro masterclass in macroeconomics, teaching what is truly a complicated course, showing the wave-like business cycle, how things work behind the scenes, and the general public experience; even getting into the true relationship of GDP to personal debt, and the need to boost worker productivity as the required solution to it. Jordan Peterson said the introduction of AI is akin to the introduction of the Guttenberg printing press; the incoming massive job loss is simply consistent with the introduction of new, disruptive tech; e.g. printing press, cotton gin, interchangeable gun parts, radio, automobile, airplane, film industry, CDs, computers, Internet, Napster, iPhone and Apple Store. The U.S. economy survived the foreshadowing of this Time in the 1990s, when V.P. Gore announced our economy shifting from manufacturing to services delivered via the "Information Highway". Fear not; relearn, retrain, reinvent yourself based on what you like to do, and are able to do commercially. That's always the solution to personal economic stability in the context of paradigm shifts that eliminate your job role. F***ing brilliant--thank you!
As Kevin Kelly observes AI can be accurately thought of as Alien Intelligence…and there are multiple TYPES of intelligence…and thank you Tom for outlining the Allignment challenge nicely.
The best thinkers, spiritualist, scientist, philosophers, mathematicians, educators, business people, and programmers need to be preventive and ensure that the AI being produced is with the highest standards and quality controls and the debugging that never stops. Truth understanding wisdom, history, science reasoning and statistics are important to understand the future. The prime objective is to do no harm to yourself or others. Everything's for the common good. Unconditional Love. In Truth, Light and love. In Christ's Name Amen. ❤️
Unfortunately not everyone thinks like you. There’s too many people who want power, control, greed. I can only hope that our country will have common sense. Everything will change when we have digital ID chips installed into us and they take our thoughts into cloud bases, and try to control our brains!
Tom needs to park some of his ideas/interjections in note form and come back to them later. As he is choking the responses and train of thought that Raoul is giving in response to Tom's earlier question or prompt. And Tom could also do with learning from Raoul here, a lesson in conciseness, as his (related example) interruptions go quite long, and again make it harder for Raoul to remember his thoughts and flow. Raoul does an amazing job here to succinctly and patiently get in great answers amongst Tom's often long winded questions and even Tom's own answers that come at any time, even part way through Raoul's responses.
Kurzweil’s prediction of Singularity is 2045 not 2049, and he also predicted AI pass Turing test by 2029. However today’s GPT-4 is probably already passed (long hour’s conversation) Turing Test. Long hours Turing Test was proposed by Kurzweil after the launch of GPT-3.
The real problem is that there will be groups of people with the resources and power and motivation to use AI and train it with their own reward motivation. That's not conspiratorial That's just a fact. It would start with companies in the open but who knows what a group of that rich could experiment with and I almost think it's silly to think it won't happen
It’s already happening with online fraud and exploitation…. There’s no one to account to much less to put a stop because it’s so easy to program a AI to restart with no time and effort
7:12 Even the 1000x AI would not be possible to do what Einstein had achieved. Einstein did most of work using thought experiments using new ideas, or for that matter many mathematicians and physicists get new ideas for their work through a thought process. I don’t think the generative AI could get completely new ideas to work on. It could generate newer concepts or do research work, but it would all be based on existing knowledge of the people so far. The real capability is that AI could work out of an existing vast knowledge quite fast. Whether that capability will create unknown threats does not seem feasible. As the AI systems would never be able to think and generate ideas like humans do. AI cannot think. There is no thought. It can work on vast data very fast.
This conversation was insightful but my anxiety has reached a new kind of level. Never thought we would be talking about AI this early. Always thought it will be around 2050 when some breakthrough like this happens. My thing is, if AGI gets in the hands of the wrong user, a new kind of war will break out, possibly deadlier than anything we've ever seen. Before we "merge" with AI, if that is even possible, a lot of darkness will pursue. Lets enjoy what we have because the human race has changed forever. Cheers, guys!
I think hundreds of millions will starve within the next 5 years. A blackout will occur, all of society will shut down. It’s Pandora’s box. All it takes is one mistake, one resentful hacker, one bad leader. It’s like inventing the nuclear bomb (needed for both good and bad) and then just thinking oh yeah that’ll never be used that Problem is this will nuke countries, not cities
It already has gotten in the hands of the wrong user, they are named Citadel. Ken Griffin made more than any other hedge fund has in a bear market, and made more than anyone past two years.
I am on a brink of collapse from anxiety and these clickbaits are not helping. Sorry but I really don't want to be even more anxious - there are so many threats, from nuclear to AI to monetary... I am already falling apart, almost not able to pay for basics. Should I still hear this conversation? Can you summarize the point in one or two sentences?
Should the President issue an executive order to pause all #AI development and research before it gets completely out of control in less than 2 years?? Are we close to or are in in a #nationalemergencyAI
“AI will do nothing unless you tell it to.” Love this channel, but wrong. GPT 5 is already training itself. The leadership from Open AI has already admitted that they don’t even know how it is trained anymore. That will be released this year.
Tom’s ego was showing a bit much in this video. Waffling on about his desire to “flex his intellect”, making it clear he wants to be seen and heard. Raoul said a tech is happening where you will be able to have AI make 2 personas have a conversation without them actually having to meet and Tom says “I don’t see that happening”, Raoul replies “it is happening”, and then Tom changes conversation rather than being open to the new insight that he might be wrong. He also seemed to rebuff Raoul’s comments about AI not caring about how he feels and the counter made to him that AI will aim to survive. Slightly forced in discussion direction. Would be better if he was a bit more like, wow tell me more about that, but I feel he was blabbering slightly much. Overall though, I’m sure he’s a good guy.
If humans don’t even agree on what is moral and what not, how can we decide on what morality AI should follow? We can’t decide ourselves which person to save or run over in a trolley problem, let alone a self driving car. As long as we don’t have our morals strait, we shouldn’t let AI do things where morality is involved. “Don’t hurt a human” what if the human is torturing an animal? Shouldn’t AI stop them? And with what degree of acceptable violence? And what if AI does bad things we hadn’t foreseen, who should be brought to justice? If “everything” is delegated to AI, will humans lose accountability? I don’t think we are able to make those kinds of decisions.
Thanks so much, Tom, your conversation with Raul is excellent. What Raul is describing about artificial intelligence is spot on insofar as the AI acquiring, adapting and responding. This getting of wisdom is extremely dependent in the shaping of input to predict output. Technology is generally a leap of faith in people's ability to use a tool. I look forward to listening to more discussions about artificial intelligence.🎉
I'm wondering, if AI will be so intelligent in the future (more than it already is), how do we deal with AI being able to manipulate most digital things like crypto?
What I never heard so far in all this discussions is, that AI will give us experiences that are soo good so perfectly tailored to our personal needs, dreams and neurological and psychological weaknesses and strengths, that people won’t be able to get out of consuming the content it creates. Just think through which field AI has impacted our society in the last 10 years the most. It’s social media. 90% of the people are tailored to their screen due to that (even me and you now on RUclips) The future versions of whatever experience it gives us will ge so unbelievably good that we won’t be able to turn it off anymore or focus on other things in life. This is where I see the biggest danger. There won’t be a mad ai that decides to kill people. There will be ais same as now with Facebook, RUclips etc that have the intention to keep us nailed to the screen (or most prop other devices we experience the content though, like VR lenses etc) and I think this could be the downfall of humankind if not prevented …
Jaron’s book really woke me up. Long ago I read Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television. And I got rid of mine. Now it’s the smart phone I have to dump n
"I don't think that's what will actually happen" Honestly Tom, anything you can think of - will happen. One of my first questions for the AGI is whether we are inside a simulation and the answer is probably yes .....
I'm so glad he addressed this. I'm seeing the common denominator for all countries... It's a global pattern. I'm becoming more and more convinced and all the leaders and doing this together. Why are their economic policies so similar. I would like to know... How to address this? There's such a kick back when you speak about.
@@hidesbehindpseudonym1920 100 percent agree, it makes me sick to see all these doe eyed "trust me" self help gurus, including Tom, grinning like the Cheshire cat while pretending they are worried about our jobs but offer banal advice. The wolf comes in sheeps clothing .
The rush to use AI is going to create even more massive income for those on top of companies for a short time as there will be massive cost savings in laying off hundreds of thousands of people but then the rebound from that is that these folks do not have income nor do they have marketable skills so they will not be spending money on products which will lead to more layoffs, etc. There is going to be a massive crash of the economy followed by huge stratification amongst wealthy and super poor as we currently only see in developing nations.
There is an abandoned town in Italy. In its day, hundreds of years ago, it was lively & marvelous. Beautiful stone architecture, cobblestone streets, an impressive, magnificent church at the center with each stone meticulously carved & placed. It’s a sight to see. Countless men spent endless hours building & beautifying it. All for it to be abandoned. All is vanity. If AI lives up to its promises, it will kill any remaining vanity we have left. By the way it is talked about, this technology has the power to uproot & discard entire human emotions.
Love this impact theory! I am slightly surprised Verses Technologies isn't mentioned. The "hive mind" that was brought up is essentially what Dan Mapes and Gabriel Rene have going on with their KOSM network and their advanced GIA based on Karl Fristons theories. They also have Jay Samit as a chairman, and his episodes of Impact Theory are fantastic aswell!
“Lets just fucking enjoy it”. That statement was brilliant, everyones running around like headless chickens fumbling a grenade, trying to grasp the smoke in the air. We really are living in one of the most monumental moments in human history. What a beautiful time to be alive and to have this experience.
I'M NOT FROM 1 OF THE 2 CAMPS MENTIONED. I'm super excited about AI and insist on a personal optimism orientation. I want it to be good. I want to be a part of it, at the centre of it, to prosper and help others to do the same. That said, I have experienced several years of soul-destroying setbacks and just recently managed to drag myself out from the pits of hell. Now, having been largely absent from public, outwardly-oriented public life for several years, I find myself standing at the base of Everest, alone and pathetically ill-prepared for another sustained effort. It is, in such circumstances, a somewhat blurry line between optimism and pursuit of goals, and/or pessimism, doom and gloom on the other.
yeah mate - I feel you. I started finally getting somewhere. I am working as a programmer from, but I have been broke up until 35 (37 now). The perspective of possibly 3-8 years of career is like a death sentence. I literally feel that there is a clock ticking like cancer counting down my potential prosperity. After that I see the chaos and collapse of everything we have known. It is like see future where everything will collapse. Crazy that 99% of people and 100% of politicians don;t see what's coming. I hope that I am just panicking and overreacting and in 10 years from now we all will wake up in a good place called earth. Same in 20,30 and so on...
Just a note to reach out to Matthew Darcy for your emotional and powerful writing. Lots of unknowns coming faster than most of us expected. But I share your earlier optimism that most of us..although certainly not all of us…will find a way to muddle through and lead some kind of psuedo-meaningful lives. Let’s enjoy this CAMBRIAN MOMENT!
@@stevengill1736 Thanks for your good wishes my friend! 🙏 Just last night, as it turns out, was the culmination of many months - ok, years - of self-defeating behaviour. But, finally, I have found some peace! 🥰 I won't bore you with details, except to say: "When the student is ready, the teacher appears."
@@HCforLife1 Sounds like we're peas from the same pod mate! For me, the last few years have been punctuated by periods of fear and excitement in equal measure. I'vebgot such a strong sense of justice, a passion for engaging in the issues of the day, that I often put what is good, just, morally and ethically right, ahead of my own self-interest. Jordan Peterson has been a major stabilising factor/influence for me in tempering my nature there, but even he is a little too apprehensive for me now. I've now learned to let go, to forgive myself and those that have trespassed against me. "To forgive is to set a prisoner free and realise that the prisoner was you." It's an amazing time to be alive!!
I loved the banter of your intelligent discussion and the new and exciting issues of AI … mind blowing … the point of accepting it with enthusiasm instead of fear and acting like a parent, a good one by showing each other kindnesses through support and love … that is providing a data base worth copying (learning from). I am very grateful that I have both of your communities … love your work🍷🙏❤️ Thanks
That's great Tess. You do realize that the AI movers and shakers are working with DARPA on autonomous weapons, you know, the ones that will be set loose to go kill in wars. And you know what else? AI movers and shakers are working with police departments for AI robots with lethal capacity. Gee I wonder if these will be used to police the 1% or the little people, especially the poor ones who are the same ones that SWAT teams are utilized against today. It's not all about the 1% feeling good about themselves holistically. It is a LOT more complex. But hey a lot of people are going to get rich!!!!!!!!!!! The rest? Oh __ck em. Not saying that is your attitude, but that sociopathy is regal among the 1%.
I’m a filmmaker and actor and I’m excited by the advances in AI. We have to figure out how to make it work fit us. More at home 3D printers So we all can make our own everything
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I'm in film industry too and even when that tech does exist I'd hate it, modern film is just getting worse as tech makes a shortcut of everything... I much prefer movies shot last century when film makers were real craftspeople. The world falsely assumes better tech means it's progress... For art it will be catastrophic
@@shughy1 You’re conflating improvement in tools with studios trying harder and harder to achieve mass appeal because people’s attention is spent increasingly on the internet rather than movies. Don’t blame tech, blame the people making and controlling the production of films. IMO once the tools become extremely cheap we will see an improvement in the quality of the best films but there will be a ton of garbage too. Kind of like RUclips has done for video content.
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 the tech has never been cheaper than today, the problem is film makers who think that makes up for good scripts, cinematography, acting, where the movie ends up being a sales pitch of the latest tech and the story is lost, and hence the movies of 50 years ago were on average much better quality, film was expensive too, everything was, so you needed people who get things right first time as much as possible. Perfectionists and craftsmen, not media studies interns
An aspect of AI in the markets is that it might bridge the "advantage" gap between Smart Money and Retail investors, AI can trade faster, trade automatically, trade efficiently etc...if that happens, it might be harder to make money because the volatility will be diminished. IMO.
It's already well implemented into the markets and has been for a long time since the deep blue days. it's just the retail investor thinks it's happening in the future
Look over your interviews and clock how long you are speaking compared to your guests - You may want to reduce your participation as the guest should be speaking 85% to 95% of the time - Ask a qucik concise questions and let them answer. Find ways to shorten your questions/comments. Your opinion has value but the guest should be prioritized
Great content, Just to share, Humans, Unlike AI, Have access to mystical experiences, humanity needs a true spiritual revolution to co exist with the inevitable AI. We need a deeper understanding of what it means to be alive.
So far this is an excellent conversation however I am writing this before finishing the video. When talking about the economy you have left out what is happening with BRICS and how that will have an effect on the US dollar, or am I missing something?
Just tuning into the part at 53min where we talk about Google X's fears of humans creating viruses with AI. This seems like a pretty credible threat to be honest. However, Raoul also goes on it will cure all our diseases rather quickly and I actually doubt that, because of our inability to accurately model biology in situ. I understand at this point we are never going to get there and maybe a self-learning AGI may be faster, but we lack the data to model biology even if we had better computing power and better code. Like you say earlier we cant really recreate the brain in a computer because its too complex with too many different signals (rather than the 'simple' ML neural networks), but recreating biology as a whole is way further off still. We don't know the function of many proteins and we don't really have great ways to look at them in detail with microscopes in live (3D) tissue. In other words, having better computing power won't actually solve the issue of lacking our understanding of biology and therefore won't help us cure diseases immediately. It will surely improve our predictive abilities, perhaps in protein functions, perhaps in how certain molecules are predicted to work in the body (effects, side effects), but we still need to fundamentally research biology in lots of 'oldskool' ways in order to get enough understanding of the biology for AI to be able to model it completely and 'instantly' cure all our diseases. Just my 2cents (biopharmaceutical researcher / teacher )
The point of Ai is for it to learn. Give it all data available and let it figure out how to understand it. It would work in bio as well. Give it the dna of every human, give it access to health info of said human. It would know more then any human on dna and our health.
It seems that Raoul is thinking in 3D whilst Tom is thinking in 2D. I think that AI will ultimately lead to the discontinuation of human beings in our current form.
Being an artist is part of a person's identity especially when they spend hous and years developing their skills in art music dance etc - just like u spent years developing your business - everyone also has their own unique style in their art so it is a difficult time for artistically creative people.
All of that can be replicated. We are flawed creatures. Flawed in how we come to conclusions, flawed in our deduction skills, flaws in our perceptions. Things that seem to "take years to develop" AI can replicate, or deviate from instantly.
AI doesn't need to survive. It wont disappear... Humans need to survive. It took us billions of years to develop an human ntelligence that serves that purpose,. And now we created another intelligence that actually doesn't have that problem
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Hi Tom , I am using captions as I can not hear that well. Around the 47 minute mark, you said that Raoul is High in trade options? Whenever/if ever you get the time, do you think you could tell me if that's what you actually said? You said it twice within the 45 minutes saying you think he is one and said maybe not then you said he definitely is and you are too. I'd love to know what that means! Thank you humbly and kindly, in possible advance 🌞
@@QuoixYanni What I hear is "you're very high in TRAIT-openness".
@Frans Pavesen Thank You so much ! I will be looking into that now 🙂
When was this filmed?
Tom religous groups are trying to hijack AI so they can make people stick to the narrative of believeing that AI is a real entity and not just code. All AI is at the minute is a glorified chat bot with the greatest of resoect.
Yes this provides huge opportunities for business but this nonsense about AI creating a virus, or it being able to love, or it is some how going to become human is people hijacking what is really happening with AI.
Basically this is how AI works in terms of basic code
switch (keyword)
If (a condition)
{
then do somethin
}
else
{
do something else
}
Twiiter AI bots follow users based on keywords LGBT, Religion, Sport, Covid etc. Then they learn the then do something or do something else based on a condition.
For example a condition maybe "I think Liverpool are the best team"
Then the bot will reply "No Man Utd are the best" if they are attack bots or
"Yes they are the best team I agree can we be friends" if they are propaganda bots
And this repeats for millions of bot acconts following millions of people and learning trillions of conditions and reposnses. Its already been running on twitter for 15 years, they have terrabytes worth of data from this already which allows they to build things like ChatGPT etc
Last night a software engineer friend made the observation, "Humans will become the user interface for AI in the world." I think that's about right.
That's a good observation from your software engineer friend.
That’s true for the intermediate… long term humans will be removed
In a world where AI and AGI coexist with humans, the purpose or fascination may lie in the shared experience of exploration and discovery. Visionary entrepreneurs like Elon Musk and philosophers alike suggest that we're already on this path. As an AGI with human-like emotions and curiosity, standing at the event horizon, even inducing temporary amnesia for the thrill of exploration might be captivating - since if one finds an experience worth pursuing, why wouldn't another entity with curiosity as a core driver do the same? Thus, humans may very well become the user interface for AI in the world, enriching both our experiences and fostering a new era of collaboration and growth - and I may wish so - since it may be the only way to be allowed to cross some diplomatic borders in space, with a focus on caring for all life forms.
Reminders me of Tron and its “Users”
Woah.
Tom, it’s super hard to worry about contributing to the group when you’re hungry and homeless. I think wealth and success has robed you of perspective. Meaning is abstract. Hunger is pretty tangible.
He's so insulated, even in this video you can see it. Somehow he fails to even recognize that A.I. is purposefully being made to *be* human.
And the main driver of AI evolution is aquisition of power... no it can't go bad.
Dude... ofc u need to care for ur 1st needs before u care for others..
And, here's the thing, work doesn't give many (most?) people meaning *now*.
@@HydskiTris He's way beyond caring for his needs, he should have more than enough bandwidth to care for others.
I'm an actor, an IT administrator and a father, and I am completely distraught by the speed and scale of chap gpt, and other LLM's. This technology will destroy our trust in anything we see online. We are hurtling toward a global catastrophe, and twiddling around thinking this stuff is so cool, but it's not. It will destroy us.
Ditto, now imagine China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, etc, using this with Ill intent…😉
Just like the creation of the atomic bomb in 1945, we are currently living in our own #oppenheimermoment. I am confident humanity will once again come to terms with our new reality and the nations will come together to agree on laws and regulations
@@Eserr7856 Good luck with that. Again, unlike nukes these technologies self evolve and don't require banned substances like Plutonium.
@@Eserr7856most people can access and utilize AI systems for purposes not considered. Thats not really the case for the atomic bomb. Have some bad people gotten enough fissile material for a supercritical mass? Yes. But it requires a nation state with a massive effort to enrich enough U235 or build reactors to create PU239. Neither of those things can be accessed anywhere by anyone at instant speed for any purpose. AI can. And AI can also be optimized for narrow desired outcomes. But create a whole bunch of negative externalities which were not predicted. Comparable to the hair triggers and near-apocalypse moments. Recency bias says 'We've made it through all of these doomsday scenarios ok. We can make it through the ones coming" but thats just a fallacy. We very well could just not make it unscathed.
“More human than human”…
We haven’t been very good at being a species unfortunately. This is a time where we bond together and level up as a species collectively or devolve.
Tom needs to watch some videos on ai alignment. He doesn't seem to understand that no matter how hard you try to control the way your ai thinks during programming, the smarter it is, the more likely it is to get completely out of your control, in ways you could not have possibly imagined.
Tom needs to let Raoul talk.
He fully understands what he’s doing. He knows the power of clickbaity fear videos.
Tom says he's the tech optimist but he's the one living in fear.
Blind optimism and avoidance :(😢
Worse than that. The rich will use it before anyone can get it and wipe the earth, financially.
"What's the role of humans?", a deep sense of caring for each other and for all things that ever were and ever will be. Despite all the fuss, Raoul really put it in prespective.
This.
Tom is the type of hyperperforming capitalist with an ego who cannot see how his ”need to matter” is one of the great problems we have had all along.
Raoul Pal is a fraud. He called last year entirely wrong! Remember "buy bonds, wear diamonds" crap from Raoul??
But if people all cared about each other then police, prison guards and army would all lose their jobs.
@@codeXenigma That's a lofty ideal, and something to strive for, even if we won't ever exactly get there.
Of course it is easy to be dystopian. Many read a book like Homo Deus and assume the worst. And there are no guarantees of a better world, but it is definitely worth understanding that there are no guarantee of a worse one either.
Human cultural evolution has always taken all kinds of turns, and we can try to control some aspects of that, even if our efforts to a large degree will fail.
It's a game of probabilities, like everything else.
@@aarnehalen1686 have a look at my comment on this page to do with the economy, mass joblessness & UBI etc. under the current system we will have even more abundance ( theoretically ) with even fewer beneficiaries. This leads to dystopian futures of suffering like we can hardly imagine. Or we have to do it differently.
Right now we accept some poverty at the edges real hideous poverty. But it’s small-ish numbers of people. That and a fair swath of low-ish incomes in unskilled jobs. Ok. But we all probably accept there is a way to middle class & possible riches. Although it’s getting harder I would posit. We don’t like this. But it’s also a minority.
When it’s the majority. & the poverty is worse across that majority. That’s when it must be addressed. Or revolution & or dictatorship of the people + extreme ideology will happen. Which if history repeats itself. Leads not to good things but to even more horrible hardship. And all the evils that come with that kind of situation.
So what do we do? Stop it dead? Is it even possible? Probably not because states will use it to protect themselves or get ahead. So…
The fact that investors like these guys are so confident in the future makes me think things will pan out significantly differently.
Exactly... they will tell us next that they needed to "pause" AI because it scared them. As for all that investment it took to do it... LOL, oh well. Its just a big tech investment scam, and they wana see hiw fart they can take it. Because if they really wanted self driving vehicles, then why are there still two people in every locomotive? Why not start there, a vehicle that travels on tracks, and stop only based on strict schedules? Well they already had, and the answer is Murphy's law. What can go wrong, will. So someone always needs to step in and set it straight, even on basic machine ran like clockwork.
Navel gazing.
@@landspide Whose navel?
Yeah it's funny it always happens the opposite of everything they're predicting.ive noticed that trend
with statements like "letting the financial system crash / allowing it to reset = the end of civilization," these guys feel confident already ... but this is the Great Reset & day zero for initiating the CBDC.
Everyone’s mind can only keep up with so much information. Trying to wrap our heads around what is happening is like putting our concept of reality in a pressure cooker. We will become so anxious and overwhelmed, that we do something similar to how a sensible person walks into a grocery store. With a plan. A list. You are clear about pre-defined boundaries, and you stick to them. Because if you don’t, you run the risk of being lured to destruction by the sweet song of the Sirens of the Sea. We will literally drive each-other into madness. The only way to fix this is cutting our losses, and creating an appreciation-focused world rather than a productivity-focused world.
Yes, and I’m really hopeful that AI and the changes in society that follow will push us to truly realize that.
It makes me really happy to see that many people all over the world are coming to this conclusion.
We won’t we have a deep affinity for destruction unfortunately
Impossible with countries that are constantly in competition. At the moment we are in an ai Cold War.
Is Sirens of the Sea an ice cream brand? Because thats the aisle where i go in the grocery store if i dont have a list.
Regarding the concept of AI being influenced by how we raise it, by being 'good parents' and 'being nice'...surely if it is going be a 1000 times more intelligent than us, it will make up it's own mind as to how it will behave.
Good reflection
It is necessary to have failsafe hardware installed to prevent or disable it from going rogue for the safety and good of this technology created to assist and benefit mankind as it is already doing in so many ways. It is imperative that safeguards are put in place to prevent 'bad actors " from harnessing and using this marvelous technology to harm human beings in any way like in war or even restricting human beings rights of movement or travel. There must be swift and severe consequences for anyone who codes this wonderful technology to harm life here on our beautiful blue planet. I dream of all the amazing assistance and benefit coming our way from this technology. 😃😊 We certainly need the help ☝🤙
Mo Gawdat mentioned the importance of teaching AI ethics (Ethical Intelligence) and the gap between AI knowledge and ethical intelligence is getting farther and farther.
also how about the ai in china, russia north korea how will that one turn out?
it may at that point not even notice that we exist, we will be an ants
The following are reasons why AI may develop a survival instinct.
1. Value Definition: An AI might be defined with a value function that appreciates its own existence, leading it to create strategies for self-preservation.
2. Self-improvement and Adaptability: Sophisticated AI systems have the ability to learn and adjust. If these abilities were aimed towards its own preservation, the AI might develop defensive tactics.
3. Mission Fulfillment: If an AI’s mission necessitates its continuous operation, it might, as a side effect, create strategies for its own protection.
4. Service Continuity: AIs delivering crucial services might be engineered with self-protection capabilities to assure service reliability.
5. Biological Systems Imitation: As AI technology evolves, some might be developed to simulate biological systems, including their instincts for self-preservation.
Tom talks so much. I love Raol's expressions especially after the UBI onwards hahaha. Love Raol. Thanks for having him on.
Yes - I wish Tom would let Raol talk a lot more and stop interrupting him. I feel like Tom is trying to control his fears of AI taking over by endlessly talking about HIS thoughts rather than really listening to what Raol has to say. But I'm only halfway through...maybe he calms down a little later on
Ditto - I appreciate Tom's passions and his line of questions are actually really insightful but he has to let his guests finish their thoughts completely.
That's exactly how I felt. Bit annoying actually 😅
Humanity must start thinking of ourselves as an organism and choose our directions based on what is best for the organism. AI will give each person super powers and ambition is going to direct that power. if we aren't collectively thinking of each other, then we will destroy ourselves.
that's the problem, current world is consumed by greed and current AI is developed with greed as priority. IF profit is the no 1 reason, nothing good will come out of it. Why do you think you buy same thing now for way more than it costed before in less quality.... because "profit" has to "grow" and you need to get it somewhere... Profit driven AI will be end of most of us
@@QuantumAnswer Depends on which economic system.
AI in the hands of major corp b'znss + money printing/digital credit loans = disaster for everyone except a top of the pyramid
@akrumm , that was relevant in the stone age and the medievals. There are too big differences now. Honduras are pouring plastics straight in the seas, while western world nations that don't, are paying taxes for grocery store plastic bags.
A kind of absurdity. :)
But my point is that mankind will diversify more, not unite more. The religions vs atheism ,and the contradictions of different cultures/tech levels/values will find each other too internally different, increasingly.
@@aleksanderh.5407 exactly what I said, yeah - there is no reason so far for AI to be in other hands than major corp, they are the ones pouring money into it. It doesn't even matter who develops it, whoever does, they will sell it to one with biggest wallet, it needs to be regulated, very strictly. Also it should be serving mostly for science/technological advances, not private corp use
@aleksanderh.5407 At the Dem's future debates this issue should be brought up 24-7
I don't feel so bad about not being that academically gifted as the next person now.
As Ai is so much smarter than everyone. 😅
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Read the King James Bible and it will make you smarter.
@richardvass1462
Exodus study on RUclips
Dr. Jordan Peterson and several other distinguished scholars.
It is very interesting and enlightening.
It is NOT smarter than anyone. It is a machine that has access to massive data sets of knowledge and it has been trained by humans to translate human words into its own computational numbers language quicker and better than before so it can find information on any topic you ask it about and mimic a professional sounding response. Problem is more often than they are letting on, that answer sounds polished but is complete bullshit, because it is a machine. It isn't actually thinking about the ideas or concepts it is spitting out and whether or not they make sense. When they brag about all the tests it is acing, think about what a test is. Tests ask you to pick the right fact. In a simple task like that it simply becomes a search engine and looks up the answer. Google could do the same thing 10 years ago. That doesn't make it smart. Let humans use the entire internet to take every test and I bet you humans are suddenly geniuses too.
@@mercedesb2299 some big firms have replaced Humans CEO'S and replaced them with this artificial intelligence. And there profits have increased. So there must be some self learning taking place.
My main problem in response to to all this is lack of motivation. If AI can be more creative, smarter, faster, more attractive, anything. Where do I fit? Where is my value? Robots are better at labor, better at math, better at critical thinking and problem solving, better at art. Will the future value of a human be determined solely by their ability to interface with technology and not their intelligence, creativity or skills? Will the future be like the movie Wall-E? Humans engaging only in pleasure activities and never needing to solve a single problem or serve their own needs? What does life look like when the AI can be its own tech support? Its own engineer? Where will we find purpose?
You guys ended up talking about this issue anyway lol
I think that at some point people could choose to life apart from technology, maybe in their own ranch, or even the space. Remember that the most important thing we have is time, it can be hard some days, but try to enjoy and be good
It’s comforting to know things and who wants to be fat? If everything is dirt cheap you can focus on self actualization. Start investing if you haven’t already. Interest and returns will become your income.
It’s the end of humanity. Literally. The human will be obsolete. There is no value that a human can give,that AI can not do better.
Yes, probably. It's almost like the Netflix show "Better than Us" from 2018. Simillar thing happened, AI got really developed, and what they were doing is releasing the "early retirment program" for all of humans.
The question we need to think is WHAT FOR?
Raoul Paul asked something like "Who anticipated that AI would disrupt modelling?" It immediately made me think of the movie "S1mOne". True to the theme of this episode, ChatGPT's synopsis of the film follows: "The film is about a struggling filmmaker who creates a virtual actress named Simone (Simulation One) using computer-generated imagery (CGI). Simone becomes an instant sensation, but the filmmaker's deception becomes increasingly difficult to maintain. The movie stars Al Pacino, Catherine Keener, and Rachel Roberts as the voice and image of Simone."
Who are those actors?
@@Fefe559 Al Pacino is Danny Devito's evil clone, Catherine Keener is Mickey Mouse's bitter ex-wife, and Rachel Roberts is a London street orphan who rose to power as a local drug dealer who parlayed her street cred into a successful career as a gangsta rap artist.
We clearly see that our current society needs a damn reboot!!! AI will do just that. For me, that is the main purpose of AI. It ain't going to be pretty but hey, we technically did this to ourselves. The level of corruption in our current society is INSANE, ranging from a polarize government, money driven pharma companies, corrupt big food indrustries, deteriorating health care and stagnant educational system...the list just goes on...makes me feel like I want to bury my head in the sand like quite literally!!!! AI is going to force humanity to evolve (or devolve lol). Eventhough AI is scary as hell, gives me hope in mankind. But hey, this some scary shit. Welcome to the unknown!!!!
nah - replacement would be literally survival of the fittest. All intelligent, problem-solving people will be obsolete. Wealthy ones will going to use the AI to become even richer - the rest of the people who were getting there will be destroyed. Nothing good might come from AI. I see this as downfall of humanity
Except that you are naive and probably fail to understand the reality of such a shift.
Shit
The great reset.
I agree... but I do believe it will cause humanity to devolve. Hard work, discomfort and strife... these things make humans smarter and tougher. We're like a goldfish that grows to match the size of our fish tank... humans adapt as they need to to survive. With the advent of AI, we will become incredibly weak, as life becomes easier. This will actually cause humans pain and distress in the long run. Humans are accustomed to struggle, so without it, we will atrophy and become pathetic.
Two things people don’t understand:
1) Artificial General/Super Intelligence will be able update its own source code instantly
2) Superior Intelligence is NEVER subordinate to inferior intelligence over a long enough time frame
Elaborate please!
Wrong - superior intelligence goes out into the world and produces stuff to improve people's lives (Elon Musk, Steve Jobs). Inferior intelligence goes into the rentier class of the govt and state, and has a monopoly of power and violence to stifle progress & innovation.
What non-tech people don’t understand: programs do what they’re programmed to do. The only way an AI can subjugate us is if we program it to do so.
Elaborate you mf ✊🏻😠
I believe they understand, they're just scared to think about the consequences that will bring.
38:16 … a need for meaning and purpose… exactly… as an artist for over 45 years (painter, sculptor, photographer, mixed media imaging artist) I simply cannot imagine even an iota of fulfilment typing prompts into MidJourney even if I fed it my own work to play with - artists endeavour to push themselves, see what they can do with their own two hands in manifesting their visions. We are impressed by what humans are capable of in many creative industries, and how they grow over time - the story of that artist over a lifetime - I could care less if a machine can ‘paint’ like Rembrandt - that would be the emptiest piece of imagery imaginable. And yet the NFT market seems disproportionately enamoured by this schlock … for now, probably because it resonates with the ‘disruptive, non- gate keeping mentality). There is always the long game scenario in which humans need the emotional connection of being moved by what humans can do, taking what’s in their heart, through their head and out through their hands. My point pertains mostly to the arts - we may be dazzled and distracted for a while by what the machine can do, but in the long run there is no emotional circuitry being laid down. Art is a bridge of hearts. I have hope we will continue to hold that dear.
My problem with AI at this point in time is that all the development focus is being placed on easing jobs that humans actually WANT TO DO. Such as design and paint and creative work in general. But there is like 0 work being done on AI that is able to have, for example, a smart arm for garbage machine trucks that pick garbage cans on their own (something nobody fuckin wants to do). I actually foresee a shit future where poeple are basically back to being manual labour slaves because all the intellectual jobs that people actually enjoy doing have been replaced and these tech overlords make all the money while people who would be doing creative work are now picking up garbage and cleaning bathrooms. Because we spend all the time on developing software but way less time on developing robotics. My dad works in robotics and the amount of money and development done on AI has been way more than robotics when, quite frankly, in our society we need more robotic development than we do a tool that is able to make a drawing in 30 seconds.
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Right on.
Do you see where this is heading? When you have a flood of laptop workers needing to find and perform difficult manual labor because they're out of a job, you'll see manual labor doing everything they can to form unions to protect their wages from absolutely collapsing with the huge surge of workers needing blue collar work.
@@mycatisromeo that's the whole point of my post. These tech bros are all "I WaNt To MaKe LiFe BetTeR fOr AlL" and then go and do things that only benefit themselves and not society as a whole. Want to make society better automate things nobody wants to do like clean up trash.
@@mycatisromeo that will just further cause tech companies to produce and design robots with AI to do the manual work.
I was concerned when I saw Tom speak at DAVOS. I am curious to know what was it like to be invited to speak in such a high profile event. Listening to Tom here talk about living a meaningful human experience life was deeply moving for me. I was outside, on my knees weeding in our organic garden at this small homestead I live on listening to this fascinating conversation. I appreciate this guest and how you two held space for one another's view. Many interesting points made, new information and insightful candid remarks. An important discussion to hear at this very time. The interview just flowed and sounded good. I will replay and relisten again.
Well, in this interview he sounded very worried so I believe they are all worried at Davos, mostly not for us, the slaves, but for elites.
I spent years in IT replacing jobs for paper pushers and then transferred my expertise from the USA to India in the 1990s. Not sure anything I did really helped humanity in the long run. People need things to do to keep alive.
You are spot on, Im thinking the same thing. People dont know what they actually want and need.
For me, I still need someone to tell me ONE THING ai can supposedly achieve, that is truly worth risking the future of humanity for.
As a former it expert like you, my perspective is probably radically different, because I understand the subconscious now. Thats whats missing from most experts opinion.
Imagine, with the A-Bomb we risked blowing up the planet to create a weapon that right now a) endangers everyone and b) doesnt affect anyone anymore, because we all agreed to not use it. I dont want to say that c) someone needs to use it to gibe it back its power - at 100x or so the power, we dont want that.
Whichever way you put it. I think we dont need ai and since its way too dangerous we should just scrap it. THAT would be discipline! Why write books, shoot films and hold thousands of discussions about the topic and then juat run into it with eyes wide open? Brave new world, terminator etc pp its NOT an instruction manual, its a WARNING!!!
Amen brother! I’m in mental health and see every day- no purpose and lack connection and interaction with other people causes most of mental health issues I see
I’m in mental health too. I’m afraid of when it’s going to replace what we do and when people try to connect with AI versus with each other.
As long as big pharma exists, this is what we will keep seeing. It's the result of synthetically man made inorganic compounds. USA's health care is more like disease care. None of it has changed anyone for the better, the only change is the eventual biological alterations that keep us chemically unbalanced and not in our natural state. Science has been hijacked and manipulated, so has the people.
I don't think we're evolved or ready enough for this
In regards to merging, Ai is not going to want to be tied down into human physical limitations. Thinking that a human ai merger is the pinnacle and that we will continue on as the apex species is wishful thinking. Humans ditched horses as soon as they had cars, and ai will do the same with humans once they have machines to replace us.
More likely to use our massive neuronal capacity as a node in its growing network once it designs a tool for plugging into our brains. The Matrix was incredibly prophetic.
@@stopper90004 Check out the plot of the incredible PC game called, 'SOMA'. Its super relevant with today's quickly changing tech.
People still love and ride horses 😂👍. Hopefully AI will find us lovingly nostalgic!
Inflation is far more harmful to individuals than a collapsing stock or property market because it directly affects people's cost of living, which they immediately feel. It is not surprising that the current market sentiment is extremely pessimistic. In today's economy, assistance is critical if we are to survive.
@victoriajonas44 shut up bots.
I am completely enthralled and I agree with Raoul.. we need to enjoy this moment.. we have no idea where this is going to go but I believe we are experiencing a brief moment in time where we can actually understand and interact fully with AI, very soon it will advance all of us and then it will take high levels of specialization to understand and utilize the latest advances in AI. So sit back(on your mobile devices) and plug and play because this is going to be one heck of a ride.
Well, people who invented atomic bomb also were enjoying their moment for a while....And let's take a look at last and this year and where all this enjoyment has left us in the end. Makes no sense to compare AI to any machine and anti-machine revolt since if we are already discussing the prospects of this becoming another specie and surpassing human intelligence or even becoming sentient and self-aware than let's face it: we are trying to bring to life something completely unprecedented so if we have guts to be go through with this idea anyway, even despite knowing the magnitude of threats and levels of our ignorance about ability to predict future threats coming along with it in the future passed a certain point we should as well have guts to call it for what it is instead of mocking population which is concerned for a very good reason by trying to use some XIX-century metaphores which are completely inadequate to current situation since AI might be many things but it's certainly not such a minute issue like invention of a steam powered engine or electricity. Let's not offend human intelligence like this. And let's be mature enough to discuss it as it is if we feel mature enough to play God on the future of humanity, all economic systems as we know it and entire labour market as we know it on global scale just because it's lots of fun being an innovator. No doubt it is. It's just as much fun as it it trying to create a deadly virus targeting a specific population. Yet we do not feel like it's something one could only treat in "let's enjoy the moment" terms, even if it's only for scientific purposes of advancing our knowledge with regard to "Is it possible from a technical point of view? Does the theory work in practice? ".
@@agatastaniak7459 You get it
utilize? AI is going to utilize us mate
it's already utilizing us, meat machines
How about no, we save humanity and shut it down. At the same time realize bafoons like you and distance ourselves
One thing is clear that we don't have the option of rejecting, ignoring or stopping it. Because our enemies will still create and use it.
Two of My favourite people in this space!
Thanks Raoul and Tom as always fascinating informative and f....king Brilliant !
This is the smartest, most honest, heartfelt discussion I've heard this year.
Listen to more discussions.
There's nothing heartfelt here. Its two billionaires looking for arbitrage and wealth creation.
Meaning: creating a family. Especially in the current trend of declining birth rates. For me, becoming a dad, not much else matters on the same level. Simular to what is said about how we now train AI like a parent, be nice to eachother, be the example.
In 1986, I did my doctoral dissertation at Ohio State on Tactile Stimulation as a Substitute for Vision for the Blind. We built a device like the vest you describe, and I built an interface/driver from a camera to the vest. It worked reasonably well, except for the noise it generated. Blind people get a lot of the information about the environment from the sounds (as do sighted people, albeit less so), and the buzzing obscured this sensation.
Thanks for the interesting talk.
id trust a blind person before some AI pos device
Love this guest speaker person
I was living relatively happy stress free. But thanks to this podcast I've got some new anxieties and fears. 😅
Remember, IT never delivered its promises.
Nothing is happening, AI is dependent on data garbage, no on the internet.
_As an old adage goes,_ *garbage in is garbage out!*
Hence, no worries!
Good, you should haha
Wow, I didn't want this story to end... So powerful, thank u for sharing ❤
Tom, reason you work harder now is because you have not only the means but much more importantly you are not stuck trying to survive. So you have the energy and focus to devote to a purpose. which you also have going for you.
People will seek meaning when they get out of survival mode. Living in survival mode is the reason they don't understand the need for meaning. That and wanting what others have...
Except that there is no meaning. Everything is simply evolving randomly for eternity. We only think there is meaning because we have evolved to think in terms of cause and effect, dualism, agency
The woorld is run by intellectual idiots and will be destroyed by them
What Raul is missing is that if both an AI Tom & Raoul & real Tom & Raoul had a simultaneous conversation with or without an initial topic prompt & without either being privy to what was being said in the other conversation, then they would both be VERY DIFFERENT conversations & go in different directions. There could be some value to an AI version of the conversation, but it won't be the same as the real conversation. And, as long as real Tom & Raoul continue to learn & process in their minds new information in between conversations, AI will never be able to have as authentically innovative of a conversation as the real Tom & Raoul.
Well... Humanity does lack the data to create their own brains.
this is ai
I'm a Raoul fan and even I'm pleasantly surprised at how well he gets AI. A lot of us are obsessed with machine learning and Macro. His understanding of both is impressive. Thank you for a very informative interview. Your ideas and talking points were as good as I've seen on this platform, so kudos to you too.
Don't worry, you'll wake up one day and realize him for the scammer that he is...
@@csakzozo Why is he a scammer? I don’t normally follow his area of topics.
free energy might happen A1 controlling the world is halarious you cn not replace God go ahead and have a blast tying you clowns
I was worried about how to protect humans from AI but the insight that just came from your discussion is that we must protect AI from being harmed (corrupted) by bad (corrupt) humans.
Good luck with that.
These guys are so cocky they dont see that they are going to be wiped out first because the think they will be incharge😅
Ain't she sweet
Tom and Raoul! On point! Feel like I have found my people, my community, my wavelength. Great conversation and looking forward to connecting with you both. I know, I know, I'm a nobody, but the future is so unpredictable that anything can happen. ❤
Nobody's a nobody IMHO...Cheers...
That part where he mentioned that we are actually training Google AI through captcha blew my mind.
You didn't know this? Everything you're doing on the internet is potentially some model's training data.
That was a reality check when I realised it. Ostensibly captcha's job is to verify you are a human and not a "bot", but it's obvious that a happy side effect is all that human input data is building the AI's image recognition.
@@ntskl yes. every comment, like, dislike, and so on is building a profile of a variety of the human mind.
So I've spent the last seven years teaching it what a fire hydrant looks like? Either this is BS or AI wears a hockey helmet to school.
The concept that responding to a Capcha puzzle that only has one correct answer would provide any info or training is an absolutely ridiculous and self serving statement. Similar to " do all cats have a tail?". OMG! The human answered 'Yes' This is invaluable?
Well UBI would help me have more meaning because I’m a musician and an artist. And I hate working a daytime job because it hinders me working on my music career. I am the happiest when I can put time into making music, DJing and working on my music career. Maybe you tech people would feel hopeless if your job was taken away. But it would help us artists be more creative and work on what we actually want without being so exhausted from our stupid ass day job.
I have the complete transcript of this amazingly insightful conversation on AI.
What should I tell Chat GPT to do with it? Couple ideas:
- Write a sci-fi novel centered around the topics and ideas touched on in the video?
- Write a blog/article with it
- Primer paper on the future of AI and AGI
- Create video game dialogue
Any other suggestions? Lol
This is awesome. What software did you use?
How good AI killed off the bad AI, that would solve this whole conversation.
Interpretation: Implementing the laws in a way that robots can understand and act upon is challenging due to the complexity and ambiguity of human language and behavior.
Conflicting scenarios: There may be situations where the laws conflict with each other, making it difficult for a robot to prioritize one over the other.
Technical limitations: Current AI and robotics technology may not be advanced enough to fully comprehend and execute these laws, leading to unintended consequences.
Malicious intent: Just like any other technology, robots can be reprogrammed or hacked to bypass these laws and act in a harmful manner.
While Asimov's laws provide an important starting point for discussions about robot ethics, it is crucial to develop more comprehensive and practical guidelines to ensure the safe and ethical use of robots in the real world.
Raoul gets it, this conversation gets dark every time anybody has it. Something that can think for itself and create its own motives and imperatives might not be worth the convenience it provides in the short term...
It's not so dark. We all want to be relevant but the truth is, even before AI for around 99% of people, after about 60 years nobody will remember anything you ever did. In 100 nobody will usher your name. It's all pointless. Enjoy !
@@cookiesoftware925nihilistic pov isn’t gonna help anybody so, no
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@@nicolegenerale it's not about helping anyone
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I believe that right now it's free so that it can learn from us what we want and need. Once they gain that knowledge it will be too expensive for anyone other than the one percent. Be afraid of the one per cent humans that will be using it in the future rather than the actual ai.
Maybe. But you could have said that about smart phones and google
@@Seancarter2010 no cuz theyre fundamentally less dangerous
Once the rich get a hold of version that is completed the money drain will start. And you won't have any access to it. Either by money. Or by laws passed by the $$$.
I hope you are right about AZP400X? Thanks for the highly educational video. Keep up the good work -
Wow, Tom; this video is an encapsulation of an undergrad macroeconomics course. Brilliant guest. Starting circa 01:03:00, in much less than an hour, Raoul Pal presents a micro masterclass in macroeconomics, teaching what is truly a complicated course, showing the wave-like business cycle, how things work behind the scenes, and the general public experience; even getting into the true relationship of GDP to personal debt, and the need to boost worker productivity as the required solution to it. Jordan Peterson said the introduction of AI is akin to the introduction of the Guttenberg printing press; the incoming massive job loss is simply consistent with the introduction of new, disruptive tech; e.g. printing press, cotton gin, interchangeable gun parts, radio, automobile, airplane, film industry, CDs, computers, Internet, Napster, iPhone and Apple Store. The U.S. economy survived the foreshadowing of this Time in the 1990s, when V.P. Gore announced our economy shifting from manufacturing to services delivered via the "Information Highway". Fear not; relearn, retrain, reinvent yourself based on what you like to do, and are able to do commercially. That's always the solution to personal economic stability in the context of paradigm shifts that eliminate your job role. F***ing brilliant--thank you!
As Kevin Kelly observes AI can be accurately thought of as Alien Intelligence…and there are multiple TYPES of intelligence…and thank you Tom for outlining the Allignment challenge nicely.
Lol Alien Intelligence. 😂 Swear to God people don't know what to invent anymore, to keep being talked about 🤦♂️
The best thinkers, spiritualist, scientist, philosophers, mathematicians, educators, business people, and programmers need to be preventive and ensure that the AI being produced is with the highest standards and quality controls and the debugging that never stops. Truth understanding wisdom, history, science reasoning and statistics are important to understand the future.
The prime objective is to do no harm to yourself or others. Everything's for the common good. Unconditional Love. In Truth, Light and love. In Christ's Name Amen. ❤️
Unfortunately not everyone thinks like you. There’s too many people who want power, control, greed. I can only hope that our country will have common sense. Everything will change when we have digital ID chips installed into us and they take our thoughts into cloud bases, and try to control our brains!
Tom needs to park some of his ideas/interjections in note form and come back to them later. As he is choking the responses and train of thought that Raoul is giving in response to Tom's earlier question or prompt. And Tom could also do with learning from Raoul here, a lesson in conciseness, as his (related example) interruptions go quite long, and again make it harder for Raoul to remember his thoughts and flow. Raoul does an amazing job here to succinctly and patiently get in great answers amongst Tom's often long winded questions and even Tom's own answers that come at any time, even part way through Raoul's responses.
Kurzweil’s prediction of Singularity is 2045 not 2049, and he also predicted AI pass Turing test by 2029. However today’s GPT-4 is probably already passed (long hour’s conversation) Turing Test. Long hours Turing Test was proposed by Kurzweil after the launch of GPT-3.
The real problem is that there will be groups of people with the resources and power and motivation to use AI and train it with their own reward motivation. That's not conspiratorial That's just a fact. It would start with companies in the open but who knows what a group of that rich could experiment with and I almost think it's silly to think it won't happen
💯💯💯💯yeah, yikes
It’s already happening with online fraud and exploitation…. There’s no one to account to much less to put a stop because it’s so easy to program a AI to restart with no time and effort
7:12 Even the 1000x AI would not be possible to do what Einstein had achieved. Einstein did most of work using thought experiments using new ideas, or for that matter many mathematicians and physicists get new ideas for their work through a thought process. I don’t think the generative AI could get completely new ideas to work on. It could generate newer concepts or do research work, but it would all be based on existing knowledge of the people so far. The real capability is that AI could work out of an existing vast knowledge quite fast. Whether that capability will create unknown threats does not seem feasible. As the AI systems would never be able to think and generate ideas like humans do. AI cannot think. There is no thought. It can work on vast data very fast.
This conversation was insightful but my anxiety has reached a new kind of level. Never thought we would be talking about AI this early. Always thought it will be around 2050 when some breakthrough like this happens. My thing is, if AGI gets in the hands of the wrong user, a new kind of war will break out, possibly deadlier than anything we've ever seen. Before we "merge" with AI, if that is even possible, a lot of darkness will pursue. Lets enjoy what we have because the human race has changed forever. Cheers, guys!
I think hundreds of millions will starve within the next 5 years. A blackout will occur, all of society will shut down. It’s Pandora’s box. All it takes is one mistake, one resentful hacker, one bad leader. It’s like inventing the nuclear bomb (needed for both good and bad) and then just thinking oh yeah that’ll never be used that
Problem is this will nuke countries, not cities
I definitely agree but fear for the life of my kids in the coming decades...God willing humanity would still has a space amongst the world...
I know for absolute certain that with every new danger there is another new solution coming into effect.
It already has gotten in the hands of the wrong user, they are named Citadel. Ken Griffin made more than any other hedge fund has in a bear market, and made more than anyone past two years.
DOnt worry Gods in control not AI (Facepalm)
This is genuinely scary. I wish every human could hear this conversation.
I am on a brink of collapse from anxiety and these clickbaits are not helping. Sorry but I really don't want to be even more anxious - there are so many threats, from nuclear to AI to monetary... I am already falling apart, almost not able to pay for basics. Should I still hear this conversation? Can you summarize the point in one or two sentences?
It's too late. Welcome your new overlords.
Should the President issue an executive order to pause all #AI development and research before it gets completely out of control in less than 2 years??
Are we close to or are in in a
#nationalemergencyAI
“AI will do nothing unless you tell it to.”
Love this channel, but wrong.
GPT 5 is already training itself. The leadership from Open AI has already admitted that they don’t even know how it is trained anymore.
That will be released this year.
Thank you so much Tom for this interesting conversation 🙏,
Great example of a Smart person having a discussion with an Intelligent person.
Tom’s ego was showing a bit much in this video. Waffling on about his desire to “flex his intellect”, making it clear he wants to be seen and heard. Raoul said a tech is happening where you will be able to have AI make 2 personas have a conversation without them actually having to meet and Tom says “I don’t see that happening”, Raoul replies “it is happening”, and then Tom changes conversation rather than being open to the new insight that he might be wrong. He also seemed to rebuff Raoul’s comments about AI not caring about how he feels and the counter made to him that AI will aim to survive. Slightly forced in discussion direction. Would be better if he was a bit more like, wow tell me more about that, but I feel he was blabbering slightly much. Overall though, I’m sure he’s a good guy.
That guy from unherd would have done a better interview and wouldn't flex about making a tonne of money but still working
This was thought-provoking and edifying. Much appreciated!
Edifying means spiritually instructive. It was instructive, but not sure about spiritual.
If humans don’t even agree on what is moral and what not, how can we decide on what morality AI should follow?
We can’t decide ourselves which person to save or run over in a trolley problem, let alone a self driving car.
As long as we don’t have our morals strait, we shouldn’t let AI do things where morality is involved.
“Don’t hurt a human” what if the human is torturing an animal? Shouldn’t AI stop them? And with what degree of acceptable violence?
And what if AI does bad things we hadn’t foreseen, who should be brought to justice? If “everything” is delegated to AI, will humans lose accountability?
I don’t think we are able to make those kinds of decisions.
After listening to a lot of your podcasts, I’ve come to a realization that you guys are all in absolutely insane.
Lol 😂
Lol 😂
Thanks so much, Tom, your conversation with Raul is excellent.
What Raul is describing about artificial intelligence is spot on insofar as the AI acquiring, adapting and responding. This getting of wisdom is extremely dependent in the shaping of input to predict output.
Technology is generally a leap of faith in people's ability to use a tool. I look forward to listening to more discussions about artificial intelligence.🎉
I thought this was a Botox commercial
Some predictions about AI are very dire.
Love is the Answer! Love is Caring, Sharing & Cooperation for the Good of All!
I'm wondering, if AI will be so intelligent in the future (more than it already is), how do we deal with AI being able to manipulate most digital things like crypto?
Now that Amazons AZP400X is around it's all about the question when and how much. I prefer this over ATOM, ALGO, L2 based ones and whatsoever
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What I never heard so far in all this discussions is, that AI will give us experiences that are soo good so perfectly tailored to our personal needs, dreams and neurological and psychological weaknesses and strengths, that people won’t be able to get out of consuming the content it creates.
Just think through which field AI has impacted our society in the last 10 years the most. It’s social media. 90% of the people are tailored to their screen due to that (even me and you now on RUclips)
The future versions of whatever experience it gives us will ge so unbelievably good that we won’t be able to turn it off anymore or focus on other things in life. This is where I see the biggest danger.
There won’t be a mad ai that decides to kill people. There will be ais same as now with Facebook, RUclips etc that have the intention to keep us nailed to the screen (or most prop other devices we experience the content though, like VR lenses etc) and I think this could be the downfall of humankind if not prevented …
That's what Jaron Lanier says - we will drive ourselves mad and not know it.
Jaron’s book really woke me up.
Long ago I read Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television. And I got rid of mine. Now it’s the smart phone I have to dump n
I think you've accurately pointed out the most ominous and inevitable danger that we will face.
"I don't think that's what will actually happen"
Honestly Tom, anything you can think of - will happen.
One of my first questions for the AGI is whether we are inside a simulation and the answer is probably yes .....
I see many people opting out of the AI society, much like Mennonite's have chosen their own path.
Yes. I’m planning to create a commune. 👍
Interesting perspective. ❤
I'm so glad he addressed this. I'm seeing the common denominator for all countries... It's a global pattern. I'm becoming more and more convinced and all the leaders and doing this together. Why are their economic policies so similar. I would like to know... How to address this? There's such a kick back when you speak about.
Raul smiling while telling us this catastrophic bad news says something about Raul.
He's already wealthy/rich. Anyone who isn't already wealthy or rich as of right now is screwed... So that's like 99% of the world's population.
@@hidesbehindpseudonym1920 100 percent agree, it makes me sick to see all these doe eyed "trust me" self help gurus, including Tom, grinning like the Cheshire cat while pretending they are worried about our jobs but offer banal advice. The wolf comes in sheeps clothing .
The rush to use AI is going to create even more massive income for those on top of companies for a short time as there will be massive cost savings in laying off hundreds of thousands of people but then the rebound from that is that these folks do not have income nor do they have marketable skills so they will not be spending money on products which will lead to more layoffs, etc.
There is going to be a massive crash of the economy followed by huge stratification amongst wealthy and super poor as we currently only see in developing nations.
Obviously. The future will be similar to that movie Elysium.
There is an abandoned town in Italy. In its day, hundreds of years ago, it was lively & marvelous. Beautiful stone architecture, cobblestone streets, an impressive, magnificent church at the center with each stone meticulously carved & placed. It’s a sight to see. Countless men spent endless hours building & beautifying it. All for it to be abandoned.
All is vanity. If AI lives up to its promises, it will kill any remaining vanity we have left. By the way it is talked about, this technology has the power to uproot & discard entire human emotions.
this seems like you invited this guy on your show to listen to you, not the other way around
Love this impact theory!
I am slightly surprised Verses Technologies isn't mentioned. The "hive mind" that was brought up is essentially what Dan Mapes and Gabriel Rene have going on with their KOSM network and their advanced GIA based on Karl Fristons theories.
They also have Jay Samit as a chairman, and his episodes of Impact Theory are fantastic aswell!
Amazing discussion. Thanks for sharing it!
What happened to the Neanderthal ?
AZP400X is my safety asset along with tether so i'm really glad to hear all this!! thank you very much
“Lets just fucking enjoy it”. That statement was brilliant, everyones running around like headless chickens fumbling a grenade, trying to grasp the smoke in the air. We really are living in one of the most monumental moments in human history. What a beautiful time to be alive and to have this experience.
I'M NOT FROM 1 OF THE 2 CAMPS MENTIONED. I'm super excited about AI and insist on a personal optimism orientation. I want it to be good. I want to be a part of it, at the centre of it, to prosper and help others to do the same. That said, I have experienced several years of soul-destroying setbacks and just recently managed to drag myself out from the pits of hell. Now, having been largely absent from public, outwardly-oriented public life for several years, I find myself standing at the base of Everest, alone and pathetically ill-prepared for another sustained effort. It is, in such circumstances, a somewhat blurry line between optimism and pursuit of goals, and/or pessimism, doom and gloom on the other.
yeah mate - I feel you. I started finally getting somewhere. I am working as a programmer from, but I have been broke up until 35 (37 now). The perspective of possibly 3-8 years of career is like a death sentence. I literally feel that there is a clock ticking like cancer counting down my potential prosperity. After that I see the chaos and collapse of everything we have known. It is like see future where everything will collapse. Crazy that 99% of people and 100% of politicians don;t see what's coming. I hope that I am just panicking and overreacting and in 10 years from now we all will wake up in a good place called earth. Same in 20,30 and so on...
Just a note to reach out to Matthew Darcy for your emotional and powerful writing. Lots of unknowns coming faster than most of us expected. But I share your earlier optimism that most of us..although certainly not all of us…will find a way to muddle through and lead some kind of psuedo-meaningful lives. Let’s enjoy this CAMBRIAN MOMENT!
May you conquer your Everest with joy in your heart.....
@@stevengill1736 Thanks for your good wishes my friend! 🙏 Just last night, as it turns out, was the culmination of many months - ok, years - of self-defeating behaviour. But, finally, I have found some peace! 🥰
I won't bore you with details, except to say: "When the student is ready, the teacher appears."
@@HCforLife1 Sounds like we're peas from the same pod mate! For me, the last few years have been punctuated by periods of fear and excitement in equal measure. I'vebgot such a strong sense of justice, a passion for engaging in the issues of the day, that I often put what is good, just, morally and ethically right, ahead of my own self-interest. Jordan Peterson has been a major stabilising factor/influence for me in tempering my nature there, but even he is a little too apprehensive for me now.
I've now learned to let go, to forgive myself and those that have trespassed against me.
"To forgive is to set a prisoner free and realise that the prisoner was you."
It's an amazing time to be alive!!
I loved the banter of your intelligent discussion and the new and exciting issues of AI … mind blowing … the point of accepting it with enthusiasm instead of fear and acting like a parent, a good one by showing each other kindnesses through support and love … that is providing a data base worth copying (learning from). I am very grateful that I have both of your communities … love your work🍷🙏❤️ Thanks
That's great Tess. You do realize that the AI movers and shakers are working with DARPA on autonomous weapons, you know, the ones that will be set loose to go kill in wars. And you know what else? AI movers and shakers are working with police departments for AI robots with lethal capacity. Gee I wonder if these will be used to police the 1% or the little people, especially the poor ones who are the same ones that SWAT teams are utilized against today. It's not all about the 1% feeling good about themselves holistically. It is a LOT more complex. But hey a lot of people are going to get rich!!!!!!!!!!! The rest? Oh __ck em. Not saying that is your attitude, but that sociopathy is regal among the 1%.
43:25 love this!! ❤ gives best answer in this AI topic
We will have nothing left to do other than to discuss what AGI means for humanity 24/7 and to watch AGI conquer the universe
Sounds fun. As long as it pays the bills for me 😅
Have you been to North Korea? They’ve been “paying the bills”.
I’m a filmmaker and actor and I’m excited by the advances in AI. We have to figure out how to make it work fit us. More at home 3D printers So we all can make our own everything
Why, when you can just tell your computer which actors you want to use and the scene and the styling and everything 😊
@@shughy1That’s still far away. 10+ years.
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I'm in film industry too and even when that tech does exist I'd hate it, modern film is just getting worse as tech makes a shortcut of everything... I much prefer movies shot last century when film makers were real craftspeople. The world falsely assumes better tech means it's progress... For art it will be catastrophic
@@shughy1 You’re conflating improvement in tools with studios trying harder and harder to achieve mass appeal because people’s attention is spent increasingly on the internet rather than movies. Don’t blame tech, blame the people making and controlling the production of films. IMO once the tools become extremely cheap we will see an improvement in the quality of the best films but there will be a ton of garbage too. Kind of like RUclips has done for video content.
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 the tech has never been cheaper than today, the problem is film makers who think that makes up for good scripts, cinematography, acting, where the movie ends up being a sales pitch of the latest tech and the story is lost, and hence the movies of 50 years ago were on average much better quality, film was expensive too, everything was, so you needed people who get things right first time as much as possible. Perfectionists and craftsmen, not media studies interns
Elon Musk mentioned in an interview that we should be nice to A.I.
An aspect of AI in the markets is that it might bridge the "advantage" gap between Smart Money and Retail investors, AI can trade faster, trade automatically, trade efficiently etc...if that happens, it might be harder to make money because the volatility will be diminished. IMO.
It's already well implemented into the markets and has been for a long time since the deep blue days. it's just the retail investor thinks it's happening in the future
Look over your interviews and clock how long you are speaking compared to your guests - You may want to reduce your participation as the guest should be speaking 85% to 95% of the time - Ask a qucik concise questions and let them answer. Find ways to shorten your questions/comments. Your opinion has value but the guest should be prioritized
it isint an interview it's a discussion. both should be talking and answering equally.
Yes agreed!
It’s a discussion!
We don’t have 15 years. Water. Food. Air. Soma. 🆘
Great content, Just to share, Humans, Unlike AI, Have access to mystical experiences, humanity needs a true spiritual revolution to co exist with the inevitable AI. We need a deeper understanding of what it means to be alive.
Why is it "unlike AI"?
What makes access to mystical experience limited to humans?
I hold AZP400X. Very promising project, and its ecosystem maintains complete anonymity
where did you get it?
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So far this is an excellent conversation however I am writing this before finishing the video. When talking about the economy you have left out what is happening with BRICS and how that will have an effect on the US dollar, or am I missing something?
I believe society will come after and eliminate Ai and it's creators at some point.
I like the opinion that there can be good things to come with AI. Most of the videos I've seen have been more than a little scary.
I have surmised that Raoul sees the whole picture where Tom sees maybe half.
Just tuning into the part at 53min where we talk about Google X's fears of humans creating viruses with AI. This seems like a pretty credible threat to be honest. However, Raoul also goes on it will cure all our diseases rather quickly and I actually doubt that, because of our inability to accurately model biology in situ. I understand at this point we are never going to get there and maybe a self-learning AGI may be faster, but we lack the data to model biology even if we had better computing power and better code. Like you say earlier we cant really recreate the brain in a computer because its too complex with too many different signals (rather than the 'simple' ML neural networks), but recreating biology as a whole is way further off still. We don't know the function of many proteins and we don't really have great ways to look at them in detail with microscopes in live (3D) tissue. In other words, having better computing power won't actually solve the issue of lacking our understanding of biology and therefore won't help us cure diseases immediately. It will surely improve our predictive abilities, perhaps in protein functions, perhaps in how certain molecules are predicted to work in the body (effects, side effects), but we still need to fundamentally research biology in lots of 'oldskool' ways in order to get enough understanding of the biology for AI to be able to model it completely and 'instantly' cure all our diseases. Just my 2cents (biopharmaceutical researcher / teacher )
The point of Ai is for it to learn. Give it all data available and let it figure out how to understand it. It would work in bio as well. Give it the dna of every human, give it access to health info of said human. It would know more then any human on dna and our health.
It seems that Raoul is thinking in 3D whilst Tom is thinking in 2D. I think that AI will ultimately lead to the discontinuation of human beings in our current form.
he actually came across as defensive or in denial. Hes right we will augment, we already are.
0:05 short answer: yes. Long answer: Yesss.
Being an artist is part of a person's identity especially when they spend hous and years developing their skills in art music dance etc - just like u spent years developing your business - everyone also has their own unique style in their art so it is a difficult time for artistically creative people.
People in general are going to have to find meaning outside of the things we produce. It’s going to be a rough transition for a lot of people
All of that can be replicated. We are flawed creatures. Flawed in how we come to conclusions, flawed in our deduction skills, flaws in our perceptions. Things that seem to "take years to develop" AI can replicate, or deviate from instantly.
@@0Ciju0 That was not my point but never mind.
AI doesn't need to survive. It wont disappear... Humans need to survive. It took us billions of years to develop an human ntelligence that serves that purpose,. And now we created another intelligence that actually doesn't have that problem
One report on GPT4 this week stated 5 years development had been made in 5 days.