I remember when Bengalis were first released there was a bug where if you set off a volley of Ratha Arrows and switch to melee before the arrows would land the arrows would do melee damage instead of ranged damage.
About the Bengali civ design it's based on the Pala dynasty who used the outdated chariots and elephant heavy army. That's why their army is a bit slow. In the medieval age though their army composition is quite similar to the Hindustanis and Turks.
@@James-sk4db yeah. That's why they have the common theme of lacking gunpowder or having other glaring holes in their tech trees (Huns,Goths,Bengalis etc). The only exception seems to be the Persian.I think their in game history section refers to the Sassanids (at least in AOK and Conquerors) but they cover the later dynasties as well.
I think Persia reflects kinda all empires in those region throughout entire medival period. Sassanids, Abbasids, Seljuks, postTimur time. I think its because whenever foreign army capture this area after centuary or more then adapt the local customs and culture.
honestly, I've watched hundreds of youtubers over the years and you are among maybe a handfull of the most wholesome youtubers ever! love your content! so many good vibes 🥰
@@satyakisil9711 That could be said for a lot of the civs in AoE. For example, Japanese Samurais were primarily cavalry or foot archers and only really engaged in melee combat as a last resort.
@@satyakisil9711 as a Bengali I'll say that your just speaking straight bullshit on this This civ is as accurate to Bengali culture as you can get in something like AoE2
@@talkingbtr-82a76 yeah Bengalis had goddamn chariots in medieval age. Mahayana magically increases population. Ships are healed by Varuna himself. No guns. No rockets. Not even thumb ring although using thumb ring is a staple in India and is inferred to back to the Mahabharata. No unique weapons like ramdau. And they have the most pompous voice lines ever. Like someone practicing a recitation for a drama while in a club. The common folk didn't even use the dialect, it was reserved for the intelligentsia.
The concept of Armoured Elephants getting wrecked in melee is just so bizarre to me. It's a friggin elephant, homeboy aint gonna touch that with a spear.
There was a real-life example of a Portuguese halberdier scaring off an elephant during the siege of malacca, but it wasn't an elephant trained for war, and it had no rider.
He can still redo the old civ for the ones he made before Definitive Edition came out. A lot of those are more than 5 years old and a lot has changed since then
i was just about to comment about the pronunciation XD, i personally pronounce it as roth if you add the w in front they might just say it as wrath and call it a day..... and btw didnt you find the villagers voice acting a little odd as if a non native person is speaking those lines like ami jahiyea , jogariya sounds about right.....
@@bmqww223 The way I see it, since the Bengali civ is mainly based on Pala kingdom from roughly 8th to 11th Century they would be speaking some form of proto Bangla rather than what we are accustomed to today. We don't know a whole lot about the language back then. For reference look at Chorjapod (or Charyapada if you prefer) which was arguably written around 10th century and is considered the first written Bangla literature and it feels pretty alien. Overall there probably isn't a whole lot ways to make the voicelines accurate or perhaps less awkward.
@@mortache chariots were never popular in Bengali wars in any time of history. Their speed was best on flat open dry terrain not that common in the jungles, river and tropical climate of Bengal.
Very good to know, thank you... but am wondering though. As I actually find it comes up a lot with games about history, rather than words in science fiction (which are largely made up or well-altered words). But what about historical pronunciations, I always think it's awesome to get that glimpse of modern understandings of the past - particularly from those who are most/well acquainted with any particular period, event or thing. But I'd love to always have that historical aspect too. I remember being in University and moving in with 2 friends who had 4 upstairs rooms, one of which was coming vacant. The other three room-mates I eventually had upstairs were all Korean & I remember getting into discussions with one of them about Korea and its history (part of it was thanks to this game in its original form 2 decades ago which lead me on a research frenzy at times). We got to discussing the Turtle Ships at one point and I used a modern term/title in Korean for them. But we got to a short discussion about their original name & form & so on - where we didn't have the information. It was unfortunate, but events like this I still cherish... and I have always found myself loving the stories, histories & general creativity or nuance within games. If ever possible I'd love for people to throw out more of the histories or tit-bits of information (that seem relatively or quite corroborated) about things in this and other games. Whether from a modern or historical perspective, because - we have already lost so much history... I enjoy the idea of preserving it even in small & personable ways. I for example spell a lot of words with -our suffixes (e.g. creatour) in English. But again, thanks thanks.
Really felt the lack of the civilization’s music theme at the start of the review 😢. Great and calming review as always though!! Just a tiny detail I noticed since I’m used to watching and listening your videos hahaha
An interesting buff to the Ratha vs skirms could be to give them the 25% less bonus damage along with the elephants. Although not sure if that would make them op vs pikes in castle age.
I like it. I personally think it's rough they get classed as cav archers to be honest, even though they technically are. At this stage given their winrate there is definitely, in my view, room for experimentation, and the ratha is a good place to start.
The reason they are so bad on e.g. Arabia is that even all their late game options are very immobile AND their counters to mobile armies are a bit weak. It is just not happening that you reach the late game and also hit the death ball timing to steamroll the enemy. Afterwards you lose the raiding game (no hussar, missing spearman armour)
I loved the Chariot Archer in AoE 1 (and luckily never experienced their centralizing dominance in its competitive scene) and always wished for one in AoE 2. I'm not a super fan of their switch mode mechanic but it's still a cool unit design wise, in my opinion.
I love the Bengalis, I didn't think that I would like them as much as I do. They are one of the civs that I would not change anything on, nor requires any additions.
Now taht i think about it, the bengalis team bonus can actualy be a gold increase bonus instead of food. 4 less vilage on food is equal to 4 extra carts, which means 100 extra gold per minute
@@Runenschuppe Yeah, with how strong the spanish civ bonus is and how bengalis don't have any other team bonuses, I think they could change Bengalis to 25% food to at least be somewhat compareable to Spanish
@@annaairahala9462 i'd rather have the bonus entirely changed. In how many games exactly is having 10% food on trade actually noticable? 1 out of idk a trillion maybe. Bonus is just shit.
Hey, SotL. Have you considered talking about the structures in the game that were Wonders, or could have been Wonders had the developers decided for a change? They are in the game as unconstructable buildings. You could talk about their history and how they would fit compared to the current Wonders (anachronisms, how they fit in, or maybe even about what Wonders make sense or not and what Wonders could be exchanged for ones that more relevant to the time period, like the Slavic Kizhi Pogost). The likes of Minaret of Jam, Sankore Madrasah, Tower of London and such. I do wonder which Wonders you think could be changed for better ones.
I think I see the issue here. The main issue this civ has is that all their units are heavily focused on gold cost. So unless you have rilics early, you will suffer.
I think this overview would have benefited from a “best battle elephants” video being released prior. I feel like this video glossed over Bengalis’ good Battle Elephants a little (especially how they hold up once you get the attack speed UT). Regardless, great overview as always!
The question is, if you convert a Bengali elephant, does the elephant remain more resistant to conversion? Would it be harder as Bengalis to reconvert your own elephants?
No, it doesn't. Converted units drop their previous civilization's bonuses and pick up their new civ's bonuses (if any apply to their unit type). If you can convert them back, Bengali elephants get their conversion resistance again.
@@veevee306 Yes, although it may be worth mentioning that they keep their upgrades, so if the bengali player researched the faster attacking elephant tech before they were converted then it retains its faster attacking.
I'v done some tests, converted bengali elephant will be converted back for 20% less time in average. It means, that probably converted elepfant "forget" his civ resistance. Although this is exception or bug - in general game mechanic works that coverted unit saves all techs (exept some monastery techs) and civ bonuses from initial owner and not affected by techs and civ bonuses from new owner. For ex. if italian monk converted sicilian cavalier - this cavalier still affected by first crusade resist and civ bonus with reduction of bonus damage. If sicilian monk converted italian cavalier - this unit didnt affected by first crusade and recieve standart bonus damage.
Its hard to do archer/scout rush without dark age eco bonus and without the option to knight rush, they are very hard to play for beginners in open maps. Also, since imp. skirms are available in castle age, most of their strengths can be easily countered. I dont really know what to do in 1v1 but its great to be pocket player in team games with Bengalis. Maybe ill try monks next time.
Give them thumb ring and change castle age unique tech to "Bengali bows: rathas and elephant archers auto hit enemies while moving with 65% accuracy and 1 shot per 2 seconds
mounting unit receiving 25% less bocus Elephant units resistant to conversion Castle unique tech: mounting unit+20% attack spped I think this improve ratha survival & strengthen bengalis on arena & nomad type map Also i think the imperial tech & team bocus could be 15% instead of 10%
idk man, in my hand they get eaten by skirms or heavy cavs. they dont do well either as a frontline unit or a raider. whoever can master that can do it better with horse archers.
There should have been more detail placed on the monk armor. With a drop in elephant archer cost and the monk armor Bengalis went from one of the worst civs to a top 5 on arena. The monk bonus is so good, a scout will be converted before being able to kill the monk as long as the monk starts the conversion before the scout sees the monk (6 range) as long as the monk. If the monk has sanctity they might even be able to convert light cavalry depending on when the conversion starts. Bengalis have had an high win rate on arena in Titans League because of this.
Best use I've found for the Villager Pop Reduction, is building myself 10-15 extra Trade Carts, meaning late game you've got a nice little Gold lead in Team Games.
Any chance for a Feitoria update? Since the last, wood and gold have switched resources generated. Also, what was not included was the Feitoria producing while TCs are creating villagers also the max villager generated resources would cost all the eco upgrades causing a later break-even point.
So your plan is fast imp into Feitoria? You aren't going to rely on your Villager economy. Or going to boost it with extra technology, as that might impact Feitoria production. I suppose we could compare that. But your army is going to need funding regardless. Unless you are the pocket boomer.
@@glenmcgillivray4707 Yes fast imp with 35-40 villagers then Fetorias. Your production will be faster because of TC cost+ villagers. Mid imp you will fall behind until gold is gone but you should have enough of an advantage to win in early imp
@@glenmcgillivray4707 When factoring the cost of TC and the cost to produce villagers. You do not break even with Fetorias until you produce your 17th villager. The reason is Fetoria produce as soon as they are built. For extra villagers, they only produce after being created. So in the time it takes to build extra TC and then produce 15 villagers the Fetoria player is much further ahead. I would still produce villagers normally out of the original TC. It is without a doubt the strongest all in available.
@@mikelivingood7797 except your own logic states that your starting town centers are more profitable than Feitoria for your entire game. And imply that you shouldn't try to boom with extra town centers in castle for a stronger imperial age. Against low tier players I presume the unraidable eco they offer is awesome. Against higher tier players they can punish you for leaning on an expensive building that will take several minutes to repay it's purchase price. A town center can pay off by simply allowing you a safe work site away from the core of your base.
@@glenmcgillivray4707 No, the Feitoria is much superior to TC Booming until the TC has produced about 17 villagers. In the meanwhile, I have built a castle on the way to Imp and I am trebbing down your castles and TCs while securing valuable resources with map control. Keep in mind 17 villagers is the point where a TC boom starts to surpass income from the Feitorias it is not the part where they have produced equal resources. It is very hard to counter, just do a youtube search for Viper Feitoria.
1:45 So, Bengalis have Sicilian Elephants? 6:30 Maybe Comparing it to a knight was a mistake? What if it is actually a Cavalry Archer, with a buffed Scout Cavalry Mode? That would fit better with it keeping the Cavalry Archer Weakness. And it should compare better in durability to a Scout Cavalry. - overall the civilisation is very late and team-game focussed. - the extra villagers help you tech up earlier or at least have a better economy in later ages - surviving the early game is the big issue.
How to buff Bengalis: give them Hussar (they don't have kts, at least make them have FU Hussars like the Hindustanis), give Rathas more CA armor (that special armor that protects you from bonus dmg) and make them faster (they are already more fragile than kts, why make them slower than them? maybe change Ratha's speed to 1.4 from the 1.3 it has), and maybe and I say MAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE give them thumb ring.
6:32 Just wanted to correct you here. Not sure who told you it's pronounced like 'wrath', but it's pronounced 'Ra-tha'. That final 'a' isn't silent. Also, love the overview series as always dude! On a side note, it's kinda sad that the 1 Indian civ that best represents where i live is bad on land maps (Dravidians), cause i hate water maps, but eh, i guess that's just how life do be.
The original word is Ratha (Ra-tha as you rightly pointed out) in Sanskrit, from which this word got borrowed into other languages. Many modern north Indian languages (like Hindi for instance) leave out the 'a', hence some confused folks would have misguided Spirit of the Law.
@@srinathravi2207 Really? That's fascinating to know! I knew the 'a' is pronounced in the original Sanskrit version and i think most south Indian languages keep it (Kannada and Telugu for instance), so i thought that whoever told him might not have known. Tho, most of the north ppl i'm friend with also pronounce the 'a', so maybe i'm just not familiar. Thx for the extra tidbit of info brother!
@@aurelian3268 Hmm, maybe it is different from north to south. I took Hindi in school and i think i was told that in most cases, that final 'a' sound isn't silent? That's just how I've been pronouncing it all the time xd
Okay since it's a newer video... I have to ask... WHY is it that farms seem all over the place (to an extent) once you get beyond most directly adjacent plots (10:04-10:22)? I just am finishing up Liereyy & Ganji in Titan's League & there was the fun jokey stuff about house-rotions (20:05-21:20)... and I thought you could always rotate houses, but maybe I'm thinking of a similar game where I O.C.D.ed my bases! :) But back to farms - why isn't the one in the time-stamp 2 slots to the North-East? Is it mostly just A.P.M. meaning time focussing/organisation leads to a slightly more inefficient farm placement? That always seems like the biggest factor for me... either that or AoE players are just - well despite having siege workshops, castles, wonders alongside the chemistry & siege engineers technologies, nobody who plays it is an actual engineer or knows basic physics as in geometry (2-dimensional physics/maths)!
Hello Spirit Of The Law. Now that you are (done) with the overview AoE2. So one wonders if you have invented one/several Civilizations? I'm on 20 Civilizations
It makes me sad that despite all the bonuses for Bengali’s Battle Elephants, they’re just completely overshadowed by their Elephant Archers, Rathas, and Monks. I just want a civ where going Battle Elephants is their most powerful strategy
Just a thought, how about giving them access to knights, like the Saracens? That should make them playable in castle age. Or giving them Husser for late game trash wars? That should bring some well needed balance and make them enjoyable to play.
Well, i got wrecked by them in 2v2 when playing as Italians. That 25% -bonus dmg makes huge difference for gen. Crossbow. They soak up so much more arrows
Historically, the word Ratha (literally means Chariot) is pronounced like "Ruh-thuh" rather than "Wrath". The "Ra" sounds like the "Ru" in "Russia" and the "tha" sounds like the "tha" in "Martha"
I believe that if the bonus damage/ conversion resistance bonus applied to ratha, and if Bengalis got thumb ring, they’d be a good civilisation. Reducing the cost of Mahayana would also help
Their chariots are expensive to upgrade true but don't you want a combination of battle elephants and elephant archers anyway? So the upgrades comes naturally and you can sprinkle in some chariots. Or am I wrong? I haven't actually played them since my computer is dead. :(
I like the Bengali bonuses. They aren't too strong however they are very flexible making them ok on any map. You have to really, really plan around getting the most out of them which is probably why they seem to suck in the rankings. Also Elephantos are cool.
I played as Bengalis for the first time today. They definitely take some getting used to as you can't simply play using the knight line or foot archer line, but any civ which forces you to play differently is a bit more fun. They aren't labelled as a monk civ but that is definitely one of their strengths also.
They made the Spanish hunchbacked. HD is better than Definitely Cartoony Edition. If you like Age of Mythology see the OFFICIAL announcement trailer for the Atheism Expansion. :-)
Playing random civ only and win most of the times when I get Bengalis because many don't really know how to counter those in the amorphous mid elo crowd where many attempt playing meta. Warrior monks are pretty amazing though and so are ele archers. The fact Bengalis have halbs + ele archers with block printing redemption monks is pretty sweet.
can someone correct me? because what i understand is if Bengalis gets a Teutons ally and researched Faith, their elephants and Rathas is almost immune to conversion?
In my games playing as Bengalis I always have problem against and siege/pike push. Mangonels are good against elelephants because they are slow and pikes keep them safe. If there are few skirms mixed too I'm totally screwed.
How do Rath Chariots fair against elite skirmishers when in melee range? I get they have a bonus at range, but skirmishers have minimum range that could be hard countered by their melee mode.
Rathas still generally won't survive to get into melee range against the skirmishers, who can kite backwards to keep on firing despite the minimum range. And remember you're also trading expensive gold units for trash. You're much better off adding light cav or your own skirmishers to deal with the problem.
I remember when Bengalis were first released there was a bug where if you set off a volley of Ratha Arrows and switch to melee before the arrows would land the arrows would do melee damage instead of ranged damage.
Sounds useful.
You're basically just describing War Wagons at this point
There was a double hit bug too. I couldn't do it consistently though so I don't think it was too useful for average players.
@@marjimanrts those sorts of things are always scams lol
had nice long chat and even tried to make him send me some $ . I am very sorry he has to do this dirty stuff to survive 🥲😂😂
The mental image of a knight taking 120 spears all over the body is hilarious
Tis but a scratch
It’s just a flesh wound
About the Bengali civ design it's based on the Pala dynasty who used the outdated chariots and elephant heavy army. That's why their army is a bit slow. In the medieval age though their army composition is quite similar to the Hindustanis and Turks.
Seems to be a broad range of ages, Huns are 5centry AD so will probably be closer to the time period.
@@James-sk4db yeah. That's why they have the common theme of lacking gunpowder or having other glaring holes in their tech trees (Huns,Goths,Bengalis etc). The only exception seems to be the Persian.I think their in game history section refers to the Sassanids (at least in AOK and Conquerors) but they cover the later dynasties as well.
@@zan4336 but why goths have gunpowder?
@@SIGNOR-G that indeed makes no sense lol. Maybe to show the fact that they eventually become the Spanish and Italians? Idk
I think Persia reflects kinda all empires in those region throughout entire medival period. Sassanids, Abbasids, Seljuks, postTimur time. I think its because whenever foreign army capture this area after centuary or more then adapt the local customs and culture.
honestly, I've watched hundreds of youtubers over the years and you are among maybe a handfull of the most wholesome youtubers ever!
love your content! so many good vibes 🥰
As a bengali, I never thought I'd see my people on AOE
It's worse knowing that the Bengalis in the game have 0 resemblance to how Bengalis actually fought back then.
And Mahayana= more pop, you serious?
@@satyakisil9711 That could be said for a lot of the civs in AoE. For example, Japanese Samurais were primarily cavalry or foot archers and only really engaged in melee combat as a last resort.
@@satyakisil9711 as a Bengali
I'll say that your just speaking straight bullshit on this
This civ is as accurate to Bengali culture as you can get in something like AoE2
@@talkingbtr-82a76 yeah Bengalis had goddamn chariots in medieval age. Mahayana magically increases population. Ships are healed by Varuna himself. No guns. No rockets. Not even thumb ring although using thumb ring is a staple in India and is inferred to back to the Mahabharata. No unique weapons like ramdau.
And they have the most pompous voice lines ever. Like someone practicing a recitation for a drama while in a club. The common folk didn't even use the dialect, it was reserved for the intelligentsia.
@@satyakisil9711 I'd say most civs have very pompous voice lines. At least the few I can understand do. It's not really rare
The concept of Armoured Elephants getting wrecked in melee is just so bizarre to me. It's a friggin elephant, homeboy aint gonna touch that with a spear.
It makes less sense if it's range, elephants already thick skinned, with armor there would be impossible to kill one with arrows.
There was a real-life example of a Portuguese halberdier scaring off an elephant during the siege of malacca, but it wasn't an elephant trained for war, and it had no rider.
I like to think spearman kill the rider on top
I got a bit sad when he reminded us this is the last civ overview for now. I do love watching them.
can't take too long till the new rome dlc, so new overviews on the horizon
There are older civ overviews that hasn’t been updated for a while. We can hope for those.
He can still redo the old civ for the ones he made before Definitive Edition came out. A lot of those are more than 5 years old and a lot has changed since then
Some cvi overviews need a remake though!
Just a small thing - Bengalis (at least modern Bengalis) use the Bengali script so the Ratha would be রথ which is pronounced closer to Wroth than Rath
i was just about to comment about the pronunciation XD, i personally pronounce it as roth if you add the w in front they might just say it as wrath and call it a day..... and btw didnt you find the villagers voice acting a little odd as if a non native person is speaking those lines like ami jahiyea , jogariya sounds about right.....
@@bmqww223 The way I see it, since the Bengali civ is mainly based on Pala kingdom from roughly 8th to 11th Century they would be speaking some form of proto Bangla rather than what we are accustomed to today. We don't know a whole lot about the language back then.
For reference look at Chorjapod (or Charyapada if you prefer) which was arguably written around 10th century and is considered the first written Bangla literature and it feels pretty alien. Overall there probably isn't a whole lot ways to make the voicelines accurate or perhaps less awkward.
Chariots started to be phased out starting in the 6th century BC, by the middle ages it was mostly used for parades
@@mortache chariots were never popular in Bengali wars in any time of history. Their speed was best on flat open dry terrain not that common in the jungles, river and tropical climate of Bengal.
Very good to know, thank you... but am wondering though. As I actually find it comes up a lot with games about history, rather than words in science fiction (which are largely made up or well-altered words). But what about historical pronunciations, I always think it's awesome to get that glimpse of modern understandings of the past - particularly from those who are most/well acquainted with any particular period, event or thing. But I'd love to always have that historical aspect too.
I remember being in University and moving in with 2 friends who had 4 upstairs rooms, one of which was coming vacant. The other three room-mates I eventually had upstairs were all Korean & I remember getting into discussions with one of them about Korea and its history (part of it was thanks to this game in its original form 2 decades ago which lead me on a research frenzy at times). We got to discussing the Turtle Ships at one point and I used a modern term/title in Korean for them. But we got to a short discussion about their original name & form & so on - where we didn't have the information.
It was unfortunate, but events like this I still cherish... and I have always found myself loving the stories, histories & general creativity or nuance within games. If ever possible I'd love for people to throw out more of the histories or tit-bits of information (that seem relatively or quite corroborated) about things in this and other games. Whether from a modern or historical perspective, because - we have already lost so much history... I enjoy the idea of preserving it even in small & personable ways.
I for example spell a lot of words with -our suffixes (e.g. creatour) in English.
But again, thanks thanks.
Really felt the lack of the civilization’s music theme at the start of the review 😢.
Great and calming review as always though!! Just a tiny detail I noticed since I’m used to watching and listening your videos hahaha
It might be for copyright reasons, as the Bengalis civ theme is stolen from a sci-fi video game and reused.
And where were the elephant facts!?
@@Apocalypso64 Hi, which game would that be?
As an AoE2 and Bengals fan, I approve that opening.
An interesting buff to the Ratha vs skirms could be to give them the 25% less bonus damage along with the elephants. Although not sure if that would make them op vs pikes in castle age.
I like it. I personally think it's rough they get classed as cav archers to be honest, even though they technically are. At this stage given their winrate there is definitely, in my view, room for experimentation, and the ratha is a good place to start.
I would love to see one day Spirit Of The Law's deep analysis of why is trebuchet default attack order focused on ... houses
The reason they are so bad on e.g. Arabia is that even all their late game options are very immobile AND their counters to mobile armies are a bit weak. It is just not happening that you reach the late game and also hit the death ball timing to steamroll the enemy. Afterwards you lose the raiding game (no hussar, missing spearman armour)
Love it whenever you bring back the intro, its a real banger
Was waiting for this review! ☺️☺️ I am Bengali myself!
I loved the Chariot Archer in AoE 1 (and luckily never experienced their centralizing dominance in its competitive scene) and always wished for one in AoE 2. I'm not a super fan of their switch mode mechanic but it's still a cool unit design wise, in my opinion.
Why don’t you like the weapon switch mechanic? Reminds me of the melee attacks most units have in Age of Empires 3
what makes the Chariot Archer in AoE 1 so great in the competitive scene?
@@VittamarFasuthAkbin they cost no gold
@@octaviogomez2330 that looks op. They must cost a lot of wood then.
@@SIGNOR-G fun fact: they don't. They also eat monks so you can't convert them. And the only anti archer attack unit in the game costs stone.
Until the recent TTL tournament people have been sleeping on Bengalis big time
Yup. They're insanely strong on closed maps like Arena.
I love the Bengalis, I didn't think that I would like them as much as I do.
They are one of the civs that I would not change anything on, nor requires any additions.
rework the teambonus and we have a deal
I would change so much that i might as well leave it as is
Hey! The dancing villager is missing from your intro! She was my favourite!
We want her back!
Now taht i think about it, the bengalis team bonus can actualy be a gold increase bonus instead of food. 4 less vilage on food is equal to 4 extra carts, which means 100 extra gold per minute
Yes, but than they'd just be a Spanish light. Which would be completely useless.
Yeah but considering the high cost of elephants, is that really a strength or is it just an attempt to offset a weakness?
@@Runenschuppe Yeah, with how strong the spanish civ bonus is and how bengalis don't have any other team bonuses, I think they could change Bengalis to 25% food to at least be somewhat compareable to Spanish
@@annaairahala9462 i'd rather have the bonus entirely changed. In how many games exactly is having 10% food on trade actually noticable? 1 out of idk a trillion maybe. Bonus is just shit.
Thanks Spirit of the Law.
Finally All civilizations analysis is complete.
Hey, SotL. Have you considered talking about the structures in the game that were Wonders, or could have been Wonders had the developers decided for a change? They are in the game as unconstructable buildings. You could talk about their history and how they would fit compared to the current Wonders (anachronisms, how they fit in, or maybe even about what Wonders make sense or not and what Wonders could be exchanged for ones that more relevant to the time period, like the Slavic Kizhi Pogost).
The likes of Minaret of Jam, Sankore Madrasah, Tower of London and such. I do wonder which Wonders you think could be changed for better ones.
He has a couple of videos about that. However, they could use an update
I think I see the issue here. The main issue this civ has is that all their units are heavily focused on gold cost. So unless you have rilics early, you will suffer.
I think this overview would have benefited from a “best battle elephants” video being released prior. I feel like this video glossed over Bengalis’ good Battle Elephants a little (especially how they hold up once you get the attack speed UT). Regardless, great overview as always!
I always love your spin off endeavours in your Squarespace ads :D
how is this comment a day old when the vid is 10 secs old
@Chocolate🍫Zoom probably a Patreon with early access
I'm just glad Spirit has sponsors
@Chocolate🍫Zoom yeah Patreon supporters get early access. Also I just live in the future
I was literally waiting for this review!! Always a great treat watching your videos!
Your business names are a hidden gem every time 👌
The special unit is so good
The question is, if you convert a Bengali elephant, does the elephant remain more resistant to conversion? Would it be harder as Bengalis to reconvert your own elephants?
No, it doesn't. Converted units drop their previous civilization's bonuses and pick up their new civ's bonuses (if any apply to their unit type). If you can convert them back, Bengali elephants get their conversion resistance again.
@@veevee306 Yes, although it may be worth mentioning that they keep their upgrades, so if the bengali player researched the faster attacking elephant tech before they were converted then it retains its faster attacking.
I'v done some tests, converted bengali elephant will be converted back for 20% less time in average. It means, that probably converted elepfant "forget" his civ resistance.
Although this is exception or bug - in general game mechanic works that coverted unit saves all techs (exept some monastery techs) and civ bonuses from initial owner and not affected by techs and civ bonuses from new owner.
For ex. if italian monk converted sicilian cavalier - this cavalier still affected by first crusade resist and civ bonus with reduction of bonus damage. If sicilian monk converted italian cavalier - this unit didnt affected by first crusade and recieve standart bonus damage.
Its hard to do archer/scout rush without dark age eco bonus and without the option to knight rush, they are very hard to play for beginners in open maps.
Also, since imp. skirms are available in castle age, most of their strengths can be easily countered. I dont really know what to do in 1v1 but its great to be pocket player in team games with Bengalis. Maybe ill try monks next time.
I love the Spirit of the Flaw / Spirit of Paw / Spirit of the Jaw /etc puns. 👍
8:30 that Ratha missed 8 shots 🥴
Starting playing because it's on Xbox and these videos are extremely helpful. Thank you!
It is always a good day when Spirit uploads... but it is a great day when Spirit uploads and we get to hear the great intro again!
The extra villagers ties in perfectly with the overpopulation in the Bengal region of India or in the country of Bangladesh.
I haven't played in two years.. why are these videos still so addiciting?
Give them thumb ring and change castle age unique tech to "Bengali bows: rathas and elephant archers auto hit enemies while moving with 65% accuracy and 1 shot per 2 seconds
mounting unit receiving 25% less bocus
Elephant units resistant to conversion
Castle unique tech:
mounting unit+20% attack spped
I think this improve ratha survival & strengthen bengalis on arena & nomad type map
Also i think the imperial tech & team bocus could be 15% instead of 10%
I'm still waitin for someone to master Rathas. They have crazy potential in right hands.
idk man, in my hand they get eaten by skirms or heavy cavs. they dont do well either as a frontline unit or a raider. whoever can master that can do it better with horse archers.
There should have been more detail placed on the monk armor. With a drop in elephant archer cost and the monk armor Bengalis went from one of the worst civs to a top 5 on arena. The monk bonus is so good, a scout will be converted before being able to kill the monk as long as the monk starts the conversion before the scout sees the monk (6 range) as long as the monk. If the monk has sanctity they might even be able to convert light cavalry depending on when the conversion starts. Bengalis have had an high win rate on arena in Titans League because of this.
You used Punjabi when you spoke about Rathas lol. Also Rathaa with an A at the end is also a correct pronunciation
Best use I've found for the Villager Pop Reduction, is building myself 10-15 extra Trade Carts, meaning late game you've got a nice little Gold lead in Team Games.
So, around 80% of what they deploy on land gets countered by skirms?
Any chance for a Feitoria update? Since the last, wood and gold have switched resources generated. Also, what was not included was the Feitoria producing while TCs are creating villagers also the max villager generated resources would cost all the eco upgrades causing a later break-even point.
So your plan is fast imp into Feitoria?
You aren't going to rely on your Villager economy. Or going to boost it with extra technology, as that might impact Feitoria production.
I suppose we could compare that. But your army is going to need funding regardless. Unless you are the pocket boomer.
@@glenmcgillivray4707 Yes fast imp with 35-40 villagers then Fetorias. Your production will be faster because of TC cost+ villagers. Mid imp you will fall behind until gold is gone but you should have enough of an advantage to win in early imp
@@glenmcgillivray4707 When factoring the cost of TC and the cost to produce villagers. You do not break even with Fetorias until you produce your 17th villager. The reason is Fetoria produce as soon as they are built. For extra villagers, they only produce after being created. So in the time it takes to build extra TC and then produce 15 villagers the Fetoria player is much further ahead. I would still produce villagers normally out of the original TC. It is without a doubt the strongest all in available.
@@mikelivingood7797 except your own logic states that your starting town centers are more profitable than Feitoria for your entire game. And imply that you shouldn't try to boom with extra town centers in castle for a stronger imperial age.
Against low tier players I presume the unraidable eco they offer is awesome. Against higher tier players they can punish you for leaning on an expensive building that will take several minutes to repay it's purchase price.
A town center can pay off by simply allowing you a safe work site away from the core of your base.
@@glenmcgillivray4707 No, the Feitoria is much superior to TC Booming until the TC has produced about 17 villagers. In the meanwhile, I have built a castle on the way to Imp and I am trebbing down your castles and TCs while securing valuable resources with map control. Keep in mind 17 villagers is the point where a TC boom starts to surpass income from the Feitorias it is not the part where they have produced equal resources. It is very hard to counter, just do a youtube search for Viper Feitoria.
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I tried with Bengalis for a long time but not since the new patch. Want to try those slavic monks, always liked those warrior monks
1:45 So, Bengalis have Sicilian Elephants?
6:30 Maybe Comparing it to a knight was a mistake? What if it is actually a Cavalry Archer, with a buffed Scout Cavalry Mode?
That would fit better with it keeping the Cavalry Archer Weakness. And it should compare better in durability to a Scout Cavalry.
- overall the civilisation is very late and team-game focussed.
- the extra villagers help you tech up earlier or at least have a better economy in later ages
- surviving the early game is the big issue.
Years later, I still love the intro.
How to buff Bengalis: give them Hussar (they don't have kts, at least make them have FU Hussars like the Hindustanis), give Rathas more CA armor (that special armor that protects you from bonus dmg) and make them faster (they are already more fragile than kts, why make them slower than them? maybe change Ratha's speed to 1.4 from the 1.3 it has), and maybe and I say MAAAAAAAAAAAAYBE give them thumb ring.
LETS GO THE INTROS HERE
Love the Bengels / Bengali's joke, nice touch.
Love these breakdown videos. Thanks for putting them together.
I just won with this civ 1v1 few days back. Feeling pretty proud that I won on a civ that has worst 1v1 winnings ratio. I knew it!! I am so s
Man, I can´t beat the extreme AI on arabia with them, they keep beating my elephants with trash spam xD.
Crazy how Bengals don't have any upgrade called as straw doll which is always been their signature weapon🪡
6:32 Just wanted to correct you here. Not sure who told you it's pronounced like 'wrath', but it's pronounced 'Ra-tha'. That final 'a' isn't silent.
Also, love the overview series as always dude!
On a side note, it's kinda sad that the 1 Indian civ that best represents where i live is bad on land maps (Dravidians), cause i hate water maps, but eh, i guess that's just how life do be.
The original word is Ratha (Ra-tha as you rightly pointed out) in Sanskrit, from which this word got borrowed into other languages. Many modern north Indian languages (like Hindi for instance) leave out the 'a', hence some confused folks would have misguided Spirit of the Law.
@@srinathravi2207 Really? That's fascinating to know! I knew the 'a' is pronounced in the original Sanskrit version and i think most south Indian languages keep it (Kannada and Telugu for instance), so i thought that whoever told him might not have known. Tho, most of the north ppl i'm friend with also pronounce the 'a', so maybe i'm just not familiar.
Thx for the extra tidbit of info brother!
its pronounced roth. a lot of words that end with 'a' tends to be silent. this is the bangla spelling: রথ
@@aurelian3268 Hmm, maybe it is different from north to south. I took Hindi in school and i think i was told that in most cases, that final 'a' sound isn't silent? That's just how I've been pronouncing it all the time xd
They’re super broken post imp. Incredible civ and my favorite pocket closed map right now
Okay since it's a newer video... I have to ask... WHY is it that farms seem all over the place (to an extent) once you get beyond most directly adjacent plots (10:04-10:22)?
I just am finishing up Liereyy & Ganji in Titan's League & there was the fun jokey stuff about house-rotions (20:05-21:20)... and I thought you could always rotate houses, but maybe I'm thinking of a similar game where I O.C.D.ed my bases! :)
But back to farms - why isn't the one in the time-stamp 2 slots to the North-East? Is it mostly just A.P.M. meaning time focussing/organisation leads to a slightly more inefficient farm placement? That always seems like the biggest factor for me... either that or AoE players are just - well despite having siege workshops, castles, wonders alongside the chemistry & siege engineers technologies, nobody who plays it is an actual engineer or knows basic physics as in geometry (2-dimensional physics/maths)!
Bruh you really made a football joke, and one so soon after however that Super Bowl ended. Thank you.
This civ reminds me of the Egyptian civ in AoE2 Mythologies for DS
Well, Egyptians in Age of Mythology had both chariot archers and war elephants as well, so...there's that.
Hello Spirit Of The Law. Now that you are (done) with the overview AoE2. So one wonders if you have invented one/several Civilizations? I'm on 20 Civilizations
It makes me sad that despite all the bonuses for Bengali’s Battle Elephants, they’re just completely overshadowed by their Elephant Archers, Rathas, and Monks. I just want a civ where going Battle Elephants is their most powerful strategy
Just a thought, how about giving them access to knights, like the Saracens? That should make them playable in castle age. Or giving them Husser for late game trash wars? That should bring some well needed balance and make them enjoyable to play.
Well, i got wrecked by them in 2v2 when playing as Italians. That 25% -bonus dmg makes huge difference for gen. Crossbow. They soak up so much more arrows
Historically, the word Ratha (literally means Chariot) is pronounced like "Ruh-thuh" rather than "Wrath". The "Ra" sounds like the "Ru" in "Russia" and the "tha" sounds like the "tha" in "Martha"
I believe that if the bonus damage/ conversion resistance bonus applied to ratha, and if Bengalis got thumb ring, they’d be a good civilisation. Reducing the cost of Mahayana would also help
Their chariots are expensive to upgrade true but don't you want a combination of battle elephants and elephant archers anyway? So the upgrades comes naturally and you can sprinkle in some chariots. Or am I wrong?
I haven't actually played them since my computer is dead. :(
Most deathball combos tend to involve gold unit+trash+siege push.
@@martytu20 Ah alright! I'm not a very good player so I don't really know how to make actually good armies.
I like the Bengali bonuses. They aren't too strong however they are very flexible making them ok on any map. You have to really, really plan around getting the most out of them which is probably why they seem to suck in the rankings. Also Elephantos are cool.
Never have I ever even dreamt that my civ will be reviewed by my most watched RUclipsr. Thanks Microsoft, Age of Empires team and SOTL.
I played as Bengalis for the first time today. They definitely take some getting used to as you can't simply play using the knight line or foot archer line, but any civ which forces you to play differently is a bit more fun. They aren't labelled as a monk civ but that is definitely one of their strengths also.
Why did this video not have the Bengalis' jingle at the start?
Developers made another booming civ, with no playable strategic powerspikes. Cool.
Sad.
Bengalis so bottom tier, SOTL didn’t bother to include civ music at the beginning
ratha vs teutonic knight who would win?
2:30 are we just not gunna address the 6 missed shots in a row 😂
Spirit of the Flaw 😂😂 awesome
cosidering the DE version added civs that were already on game, which remaining civis could be DLC? the only civ it comes to my mind is HRE
Me who is Bengali: Look how they massacred my civ
They made the Spanish hunchbacked. HD is better than Definitely Cartoony Edition.
If you like Age of Mythology see the OFFICIAL announcement trailer for the Atheism Expansion. :-)
They are base on pala Dynasty
The NFL isnt rigged, you just ahve to remember that the refs are a third team that can't win or lose but you still have to play against them.
elephant deadball is a go-to when playing black forest 4v4 for me xD
Really feels to the sad state of this civ when even SotL does not add their civ theme to the beginning Dx
Playing random civ only and win most of the times when I get Bengalis because many don't really know how to counter those in the amorphous mid elo crowd where many attempt playing meta. Warrior monks are pretty amazing though and so are ele archers.
The fact Bengalis have halbs + ele archers with block printing redemption monks is pretty sweet.
Hey Spirit, guys of the law of here.
pushing deer video! THEY MAKE NO SENSE
Ahh I missed the intro song! So glad it's sticking around for a few videos :)
take love from Bangladesh
Music is a bit too quiet in this one. Just felt like you speaking.
waiting for kaala jadu tech to be added to universities 🥹🥹🥹
You got the intro music but not the theme music :( ofc who likes a marriage tune as a theme music lol
I forgot this civ existed lol
Cincinnati fan here and did not expect to catch those strays in the first minute.
How long were you sitting on that Bengals dig?
So they have the most elephants!
I was playing against the Bengalis last year and had to pause the game, all my units stopped but the Bengalis kept attacking 😥
Civ bonus, time manipulation
I think it's time to make a new "who has the best elephants" video.
Bengalis is one of my favorites civs. I love elephantos ♥
can someone correct me? because what i understand is if Bengalis gets a Teutons ally and researched Faith, their elephants and Rathas is almost immune to conversion?
In my games playing as Bengalis I always have problem against and siege/pike push. Mangonels are good against elelephants because they are slow and pikes keep them safe. If there are few skirms mixed too I'm totally screwed.
Go redemption monk defense and convert their siege. Bengali monks with sanctity should laugh off skirm fire as well.
Spirit of the law, i want you to make a OP monk civ
How do Rath Chariots fair against elite skirmishers when in melee range? I get they have a bonus at range, but skirmishers have minimum range that could be hard countered by their melee mode.
Rathas still generally won't survive to get into melee range against the skirmishers, who can kite backwards to keep on firing despite the minimum range. And remember you're also trading expensive gold units for trash. You're much better off adding light cav or your own skirmishers to deal with the problem.