This is a fantastic presentation! Brilliant, intriguing connections, and clearly a very well-read author. Thank you for sharing your research and knowledge with the community. We look forward to your publications in future. Cheers!
I've read Hughes essay on Shakespeare, and I agree it's breathtaking. It prompted me years ago to start the practice of memorizing Shakespeare. This lecture reminded me what a profound effect it has had on me over time.
Excellent, this presentation, the questions, and gems of knowlege such as the "Palace of memory" shared by the second to last questioner make for a splendid talk.
I have heard quite a few conference papers in my time and I have to say that is one of the best on any subject: scholarly, erudite, balanced, nuanced, powerful, well-delivered, and beautifully presented. Congratulations Daniel!!!!!!
For myself, I'm not sure about the cases for Thomas Nashe as pseudonym yet, seems like there's a far bit of documentary evidence for his existence, and several references to his death, that I haven't seen anyone account for completely, as of yet, at least in my estimation. But definitely, the reference to the art of memory in The Unfortunate Traveller is interesting... I think that passage has been misread as Nashe dismissing the utility of the art of memory, personally I don't think that's what he's saying exactly... So far I've spotted three references in the Nashe canon to the art of memory... in The Unfortunate Traveller, in Strange News, and (slightly & obliquely) in Have With You to Saffron Walden... Anyways, whoever Nashe actually was, whether the author of these works was actually de Vere or that Nashe was an actually existing, independent writer, he definitely seemed to know what the art of memory was, both in the classical advocates for it, and in more contemporary humanist advocates of the practice... I would like to hear from others if they think there is any connection between Nashe's line: "Proceed to cherish thy surpassing, carminical art of memory with full cups (as thou dost)" And the motto from Ovid included on the title-page of Venus & Adonis, printed about 3 months later: "Let the vulgar admire base things: for me, may Golden Apollo serve me full cups of Castalian water" And also to evaluate the suggestion of Ted Hughes, that Shakespeare employed an emblematic, image-based, art of memory approach as a key element of his poetic method, particularly for introducing classically-derived words into the English lexicon...
It's a great lecture but I'm still no closer to learning secret memory techniques. Was the same when I read Yates Art of Memory. It seems most actors just use repetition today to memorize lines.
@@retribution999 A memory palace isn't good for memorizing long passages, but it can be a great way to remember all the scenes in each play. And other things.
This is a fantastic presentation! Brilliant, intriguing connections, and clearly a very well-read author. Thank you for sharing your research and knowledge with the community. We look forward to your publications in future. Cheers!
Agreed!
I've read Hughes essay on Shakespeare, and I agree it's breathtaking. It prompted me years ago to start the practice of memorizing Shakespeare. This lecture reminded me what a profound effect it has had on me over time.
Excellent, this presentation, the questions, and gems of knowlege such as the "Palace of memory" shared by the second to last questioner make for a splendid talk.
I have heard quite a few conference papers in my time and I have to say that is one of the best on any subject: scholarly, erudite, balanced, nuanced, powerful, well-delivered, and beautifully presented. Congratulations Daniel!!!!!!
Thank you sir!
"Thomas Nashe" (Edward de Vere) mentions "art of memory" in The Unfortunate Traveller.
For myself, I'm not sure about the cases for Thomas Nashe as pseudonym yet, seems like there's a far bit of documentary evidence for his existence, and several references to his death, that I haven't seen anyone account for completely, as of yet, at least in my estimation.
But definitely, the reference to the art of memory in The Unfortunate Traveller is interesting... I think that passage has been misread as Nashe dismissing the utility of the art of memory, personally I don't think that's what he's saying exactly...
So far I've spotted three references in the Nashe canon to the art of memory... in The Unfortunate Traveller, in Strange News, and (slightly & obliquely) in Have With You to Saffron Walden...
Anyways, whoever Nashe actually was, whether the author of these works was actually de Vere or that Nashe was an actually existing, independent writer, he definitely seemed to know what the art of memory was, both in the classical advocates for it, and in more contemporary humanist advocates of the practice...
I would like to hear from others if they think there is any connection between Nashe's line:
"Proceed to cherish thy surpassing, carminical art of memory with full cups (as thou dost)"
And the motto from Ovid included on the title-page of Venus & Adonis, printed about 3 months later:
"Let the vulgar admire base things: for me, may Golden Apollo serve me full cups of Castalian water"
And also to evaluate the suggestion of Ted Hughes, that Shakespeare employed an emblematic, image-based, art of memory approach as a key element of his poetic method, particularly for introducing classically-derived words into the English lexicon...
Wonderful! Thank you.
This is very interesting. I love memorizing Shakespeare. I've found the memory palace very difficult to use. Only repetition works for me.
It's a great lecture but I'm still no closer to learning secret memory techniques. Was the same when I read Yates Art of Memory. It seems most actors just use repetition today to memorize lines.
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A memory palace isn't good for memorizing long passages, but it can be a great way to remember all the scenes in each play. And other things.
Each cup is an abandoned personality, carminical refers heightedly to the deaths DeVere imposed on his aliases