I kept waiting for you to raise both arms in the expensive suit as you did in the inexpensive suit to illustrate the supposed massive difference between the two.
except, he used a buttoned up double-breasted suit for the cheap example, which is by definition or rigid and allows less range of motion than an unbuttoned single breasted suit that he used as an example for the $5000. It was an unfair comparison.
my dads been a tailor for 25+ years I got him to make me a suit once I asked how much he'd charge for something like it and he said over $2000! Glad he's my father 😂!
for 5k i might as well just make it myself, because im sure when i click on their website there not going to have everything i want even for 5k, like 65% wool 30% lotus silk and 5%cotton fabric.
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I wouldn't call a $500 suit a cheap suit. Most of my suits cost $500 and it is what most middle class people can afford (a $100 suit is too cheap unless you really can't afford it). I think that a $500 suit is the best option for most middle class people.
+Herman Lucero I mentioned in my comment that I wouldn't call a $500 suit cheap. $500 is standard for halfway decent quality. A $100 dollar suit is a cheap suit, I don't think it is even possible to buy a suit cheaper than $100 unless is it used.
I noticed that you kept raising your arms to show how an ill-fitted suit reacts to movement, but you never did so while wearing the $5,000 suit. How differently does the jacket react to movement?
Honestly though, he didn't give it the same attention as when he showed the cheap suit. Would have been nice. Those who have bespoke suits, already know the diff. This video is supposed to be for those who don't really know the detailed difference. A sceptical person or an unknowledgeable one might think he did it that way on purpose because it still moved a lot more than one would expect after he talked about the difference between the two.
I only wish you showed us the tailoring results of a $5000 suit so we can actually see the points you tried to prove. I saw a $900 fit to measure suit next to a Bespoke suit and differences become too subtle. There was no magical fit you describe. You raise your arms in any suit and it will be boxy and stiff, unless your Bespoke suits are made of spandex.
True bespoke suits are handmade so they don't have at all any of the restrictions on movement as the off-the-rack suits do. What he didn't say is that bespoke is an indicator that the suit is handmade and no machine touches it.
99.9% of people will never know the difference between a high quality made to measure suit and a $5000 bespoke suit. It really boils down to the amount of handwork in the suit. I've even seen fully canvassed MTM suits, with various linings, horned buttons, picked stitching, surgeon cuffs, contrasting button hole threads and various other options, teamed with Loro Piana super 180s in any fabric pattern your heart desires for about $1000 bucks. Sure the button holes aren't hand finished but that's not worth $4000 imho.
A bespoke suit can take as many as 80 hours of work. When I was very young I went to the New York branch of Bernard Weatherill, a London tailor who was very popular in NYC at the time. I ordered a suit with a vest and the tailor asked me if I wanted lapels on the vest. I blurted out "No, I hate that look". Then I noticed his waistcoat had lapels. He looked at me right in the eye and turned to his assistant and said "put down no hips and bowed legs".
He might've been a tool bag. I dislike lapels on vests for myself but im sure others like it and look good in it. BUT... shouldnt dictate how you treat a customer.
@@idofps9709I think the point is some tailors do have a style and they want to do that style if you seek them out. Also a great tailor is to be respected. If they are making your suit by hand they have enough business. They are willing to make you a suit.
I appreciate what he was trying to say but it solves a question that very few can seriously ask. I am sure the moon looks way better from a NASA rocket but for the rest of us non astronauts a telescope will have to do.
Almost every suit I own cost between $700 - $800, with a few less expensive ones purchased when I was first building my wardrobe. All of them have been extensively tailored to fit extremely well. I have seen a number of suits in the $1200 - $1500 range that are very nice, and my tailor has told me that he can build me a very nice suit for about the same price. I'm not sure just what makes a suit worth $5000, but I feel like there has to be a point of diminishing returns. I'd have to be very wealthy to ever feel right dropping that kind of money on a suit.
Well done you fell for the hype beast mentality over spending on a suit that 99% of people don't and can't tell the difference between a couple hundred pound suit and a £3000 suit
At 5:12 he raises his arms in the expensive suit but has buttons open unlike with the cheaper one. I don't know if that makes a difference but I am not sold.
Hey, I got the Tennant suit in custom cotton brown/blue pinstripes from Magnoli Clothiers. Honestly, best $575 I've ever spent. It was a birthday gift to myself and the suit is quite comfortable even to this day. Everything fits perfectly. After owning for half a year, I can see where I could improve certain measurements, but I'm still very happy with the suit I have right now. Allons-y!
Couldn't afford a 5K suit even before I retired. This will kill you but I actually have a $50 suit. No kidding! Most people I encounter don't have a clue. I put it together with a beautiful David Donahue shirt and great tie and look like a million bucks. I'm actually more comfortable in it for the very reason that I spent so little; I don't worry about snags or spills.
Was it $50 new or used vintage? He doesn't have any problem with folks buying inexpensive good quality used suits and even has a video where his entire outfit cost him less that $300. ruclips.net/video/H2qsIUcANG4/видео.html
Same! I love classic menswear, but will never afford to buy a 500€ suit because I also do fencing which is a quite expensive sport. I also pull off great outfits with cheap suits.
This information is good. You know what I like about it? It is practical and clear. I think that every father should pass this onto their sons. You know, have the 'talk' about clothes and fill them in on what they need to know about suits, shoes, shirts, colognes, hair. I floundered about for years making mistakes only because I didn't just get told this upfront.
You can get great half-canvassed suit at $1000 from Italian tailors with hand rolled lapels with great pattern and hand-stitching. I don't think you should spend $5000 on suit even if you have money
Thanks for your professional Advice expertise on bespoke suit Iam low end middle class, Not a very high end person My suit fordabilities Price range 250 350 500 max My bespoke is 1500/2500 max Done by not known designers I value your wisdom knowledge Explanation of details on The bespoke suit details Why would it cost that much My experience is that you have A tailor that you know & trust That is personal to eye to detail My tailor gives me affordable Tailoring to my suit & taste And I am not disappointed With the results Thanks for your video
In the 90's I worked for a uniform manufacture which used local tailor shops to make some of the things. Most things were manufactured in China. But if there something they couldn't make or they were out of stock of a few items, they would get them made at the local tailor shop. For Christmas one year, I got to have a bespoke suit made for me for being an employee. It wasn't the most expensive fabric but it was a very nice wool fabric that I got to pick out. In the end it was fabulous. It felt and looked amazing! There is just noting like putting on a custom-tailored suit. Every man should have a least on customer tailored suit in his life.
At some point "surgeon's cuffs" became a status symbol. While the buttons may be functional, they serve no practical purpose. Has there been even one situation in your life over the past 30 years when it was more desirable to unbutton and roll up your sleeves instead of just taking off the jacket?
The most expensive suit I have is a $2,000 Versace which does have a different drape, but the truth that I have learned is that a great tailor can make my off the rack $200 suit look better than a poorly tailored $2,000 suit. Your build also makes a huge difference because I have an easy to fit off the rack body which fits the standard cuts pretty much the way it is without much tailoring needed, compared to my friends who are fat or misproportioned with too much muscles up top with skinny legs.
Versace after all is a off the rack overpriced garbage, bespoke suits are on the league of its own. What you can go for are made to measure suits, they are considerably cheaper than those bespoke suits but far better than all those high fashions brands like Gucci, chanel, Versace etc
This guy is different, he's really different. If I was to buy a $5000.00 suit, I would most certainly buy it from his store and only have this guy tailor my suit. No one else. He's a different breed of tailor for sure. Levels to the game
Much as I like these videos, I'm bound to disagree on several points, chiefly when it comes to cost.There's simply no need to go for a 5000$ to get a first quality bespoke item, and I know this for a fact. My last costume was barely on the 1000$ edge, and I received not less attention from my tailor or enlightened advice about fabrics, color, trimmings and fashionable details than our king ( I'm belgian, BTW). Of course, the final cost depends heavily on materials, as they vary wildly in price. Granted, if you choose a horribly expensive, albeit exceedingly beautiful fabric, the sky's the limit, but superior quality ones are available at reasonable prices. Don't ruin yourselves unnecessarily.
I think he said 5 thousand because its america and they have big salary compared to belgium...thus certain things can be cheaper in belgium or portugal, spain, korea...etc
I invested about 800€ in the Suitsupply in store made to mesure program. The tailor who mesured me was extremely professional. I had a second fitting and some small alterations where made for free. I am incredibly happy with the suit and I think it is a million times better than if i would have ordered it online. In store made to mesure is definitely a great option to Bespoke in my opinion as it comes really close at a third of the price.
Lol i never worn a suit or tux that cost more than $150 but m happy to know this info about the things which make a suit luxurious and so expensive....!!
I work for a menswear store and our custom program is pretty much just one of our "higher end" suits with your choice of material and we adjust a couple of measurements to your size. Essentially it is an off the rack suit with the alterations already done
Lol Men’s Wearhouse worker here are you speaking to the Joseph Abboud? 😂 Now MW also provides JOE and Michael Strahan options for custom, plus all alterations are free. Worth it for $400.
Few problems here: 500 dollars is not "cheap" to a regular american. Some of us make that in two weeks of work. Also, I think the regular viewer on this channel does not have extra change in their montly budget for a 5000 suit.
Actually there are no problems here. A person making 500$ in two weeks probably does not need a 500$ suit let alone a suit at all. They could get by with a suit from Macy's. In the corporate world, 500$ suits are extremely cheap and very noticeable. When you have to wear a suit everyday, the quality really does count. Also, he's aware that his average viewer is not wearing 5k bespokes. He is simply educating.
Obviously this content is not meant for impoverished people who make $500 every 2 weeks. If you don't have the money then don't buy the suit. Whats the problem? Just had to comment something, huh?
I don't really care what people "consider" me. And men wearing high quality suits is not the main problem with today's society. Thanks for coming out though.
Heartily agree. I am no where near $100K salary. My best suit is a $1,300 Samualsohn that I got for $650 on sale. It is FAR above what the average guy wears at my office.
i feel ya on that one. however, i do believe that the expensive purchases like these are lifelong investments. And ate somewhat saving you money in the long run if you're constantly buying new cheap $100 suits of lower quality.
We're talking about suits not just one garment. if you lived in London or anywhere else in Europe $5k on one garment is average in the suit world. a true bespoke suit in London could cost you more than 27k Euros, they have garments that are 12k and that's Euros which is approximately $1.8 every Euro.
Very fancy tailors sometimes make you an extra pair of pants, such as Cifonelli in Paris. Sounds like an old-fashioned mass market American suit maker like Bond in the 30s and 40s
The difference is very much in the armscythe AND in the way the pad stitching is done to conform to your body. I have had a great deal of success altering cheaper suits to fit nearly as well but there really is no substitution for custom. Its like kitchen cabinets. Sure you can buy stock sizes from the big box store for a lot less but the difference between that and a cabinet built to fit your taste as well as your space is obviously much more gorgeous.
I wear a suit everyday to work, and never heard of the term bespoke. Good information on the differences in quality. Your channel is teaching me how to raise my game. Before I got to the point where I can lay down $5K on a suit, I'm guessing I would have to be in the $250K annual salary for it to make sense. Until then, the $500 suit is about right for the working man.
Focus on the quality not the cost. Look for Hart Schaffner Mark, Hickey Freeman or Ted Baker on sale for half canvas suits. For full canvas, you can't beat Samuelsohn for value. I got one at Nordstrom for 50% off, $650. Most full canvas OTR suits are going to run over $1500 so it's best to find them at places like Saks off 5th or Nordstrom Rack. Hickey, Samuelsohn, Canali, Corneliani can all be found there for cheap (meaning under $1,000).
To all those complaining about the price: it's exactly the same as buying a custom cabinet from a master cabinet maker. Sewing is a trade and a skill, clothing is their craft. Except you're wearing it instead of it sitting in your home. You don't buy 50 cabinets either, you have one or two and you keep them for a long time. The ONLY reason clothing has been so cheap is because of fast fashion and it's made in sweat shops in Asia. Realistically without fast fashion manufacturing all suits should be priced upwards of 1,000$.
In my country, bespoke suits that would cost $6000+ if you made it in savile row will cost around $400-600 in my country. Bespoke tailors in my country include: Laxmi Tailors Brillington & Brothers Hariom's And much more...
I may not look too "dapper", but when you see me you will notice I am clearly man of culture. With my teal coloured Crooks and Castle shirt, complemented by a picture of medusa wearing a bandana, accompanied by my knee low Reasons tiger swim shorts, up sized to fit like basketball shorts, splashed with baby blue and pink all over it, followed by random kanji writing, a tiger, and palm tree silhouettes. Plus being that these ones are special edition, they have baby blue instead of the normal teal that the shorts come in and also have lightning on them. A true Gentleman...
I would have cut down the video by 5 minutes and just say flat out that made-to-measure online coatmakers take the same shortcuts that ready-to-wear makers do because they're following set template patterns that aren't 100% customized to the individual. Larger armscyes, standard shoulder slopes, generic measurements. Factory-made suits aren't bespoke.
Thank you for an excellent video, showing the problems with made to measure suits in comparison to a bespoke garment made on a personal, one to one manner. Showing the $500 dollar suit and then directly comparing to the bespoke shows some of the compromises you'll make when ordering a custom suit over the internet. I believe however, that many people are hung up on the term "cheap" when discussing a suit, as for many people, myself included, $500 is not an insignificant amount of money. However, "cheapness" is not always a comment about the actual price, but rather the price to performance ratio. For example, any suit at say, a Mens Warehouse, would be deemed "cheap"; even the ones they sell for $1000. The materials, construction, and details are all subpar; especially considering that price. Unfortunately, and perhaps more importantly for gentlemen such as myself with more limited funding, and a size which is not available from most decent off the rack options; $500 made to measure suits are really the only option for something that will be "decent". And yes, I thrift, but again my size puts me in a place where finding ANYTHING is a very rare thing indeed. For a quality made to measure suit from a reputable vendor, you should be working closely with their customer service (especially on the first suit) to make sure the adjustments are compensated by the vendor, and then incorporated into the next garment. In this case, with appropriate care and a good vendor, the suit may be "inexpensive" but not "cheap". And I suppose that really leads me to my point: perhaps rather than show a cheap made to measure suit, perhaps comparing to an "inexpensive" made to measure suit to a bespoke suit may be more interesting. Especially if you utilize a tailor, or the M2Ms own brick and mortar stores for measurements. While I know the quality will not compare to a $5000 bespoke from Savile Row, you may get a product that looks good and is considerably more comfortable to wear. It would also be interesting to see how this "cheap" suit compares to one of the terrible of the rack options at say a JC Penny's, a Macy's, or a Mens Warehouse. (I have already seen the $100 vs $1000 video, which tho helpful; doesn't directly compare these options.) As always, thank you for these excellent videos; I enjoy them immensely.
$500 custom suits have become very popular because of online supply chain management? Um, they've probably become popular because who the hell can afford a $5,000 suit?
Even if you can afford, with so many good options at sub 1k, if you're not a suit connoisseur, why spend that much money for a single suit? Not that some people love cars, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for them, but just an honest to god Honda civic is a fine car, a 500$ suit does not need to be bad, because a 5k suit exists.
Anywhere between 1 month to a year? For most people $500 dollars is a lot to spend on a suit. The only reason I can afford one of them is because I live with my folks and work a full time job while i'm looking for a place to stay, as such I have zero responsibilities bar the food i eat. Even then at most I'd ever buy 2 in a month. To me at least $5000 seems like an incredulous amount of money to spend on a suit. I don't know if it's my humble beginning s or the current state of the economy but even if I was a millionaire I couldn't feel good spending that much on a single article of clothing, there's just too many people I could help with that money. Mind you this shouldn't detract from the video which was very helpful and well thought out
You have a great mindset. I too couldn't spend that kind of money on a suit knowing people barely have money for basic necessities. These people that are convinced the starting price for a good suit is $5000 are detached from reality.
I regularly help one of my friends buy food so they can make rent, and am currently saving the money for one such suit. Funnily enough, all my yuppy middle class friends and family balk at spending that much on clothes much like you. The only person in my life who supports this decision is my working class friend who understands they would spend similarly on luxury if they could.
Thank you I always thought this. There is a fashion designer rick owens that straight out says to get in shape before worrying about buying fancy clothes lol
My suit only cost me around 300 usd for a full bespoke full canvas suit (exc.the garment), if you want to use an italian brand 100% wool fabric like Valentino, VBC, Zegna with a 100% silk interlining the total cost is around 600-1000 usd max.
A lot of numbers thrown around in the comments sections regarding the cost of a bespoke suit. Some idiot also said "a true bespoke suit in London would cost you EUR 27,000" which is absolute bullshit. From what I've seen online a 2 piece bespoke suit costs between £3,500 - £4500 and 3 piece falls between £4,500 - £5,500 in Sevile Row, London, all made from high quality cloth. Obviously there are over-the-top fabrics which are super expensive which will sky rocket the prices, and that is something that is made to cater the super rich people. If you want to stitch a bespoke suit don't be afraid to save some money and get that dapper look.
Good video because I understand what you are going for, pushing the concept of the one on one relationship with a tailor like the old school. There are flaws to this though because this only speaks to a certain audience of a greater financial bracket. Young guys like myself don't have 5K to throw down on a bespoke suit plus adding on traveling costs just to do so?? Ehh I have no problem spending $500-$1500 online when I live in a city that does not have bespoke culture. In doing so I've built good relationships with people like Dan Trepanier. Even through my own bespoke waistcoat business I've built good conversation with people & I have never had a complaint with a garment. This subject definitely has two sides
Thanks for bringing that up. This video points out why bespoke suits are so much better quality-wise and I don't think there's an argument there. We definitely understand it's not for everybody that's why Raphael said at the end of the video, you have to know what works for you. He also pointed out the cost of going the bespoke path and we have touched on the "other side of the subject" in an earlier video/topic which you may want to see: ruclips.net/video/zcsFP83eu3Y/видео.html
Nonsense, I'm 26 I got out of trade school 4 years ago, I'm saving up for a bespoke suit. You can do it, it's just an investment. People might not look at you and consciously say, oh, he's wearing a hand made suit. But they will notice how you look and it will effect how they treat you
I understand there is a negligible difference in material and other minor options but how does the 5k suit not tighten up when raising up your arms ? Does $5,000 fabric magically increase in length from under your armpits?
+KlappKlo That was just one movement that took 2 seconds compared to the 30 seconds in the beginning he spent showing how the suit behaves in various positions from various angles. Could have simply done a side by side shot showing two clips of the two suits doing the same exact movements. That would have been an effective and precise way of clearly showing the differences between the functionality of two types of suits.
For anyone who wants a made to measure suit in the highest quality, come to Japan! Because everyone here in japan wears suits to work. Good quality suits are important. Theyll cost you between 300-1200 dollars depending on fabric and the fit is very good
love the videos, its interesting to see some of the differences, i enjoy the content! and for those that are on a budget you can find expensive suits cheap. i have suits that are $1500- $3700 and have never paid the actual price, used and clearance will save you a lot, i have purchase $1000 and $2000 suits for $70-$100 and so on. yes you have to look around but it pays off, i have 1 $400 suit, its ok, but will never compare to the more expensive ones i own. if you put enough time in you will find one and you will not regret it.
I wouldn't call a $500 suit "bad" or "cheap" because that's probably the best most middle-class Americans can afford and usually a $500 suit should fit pretty well. I mean if you make a lot of money then definitely go bespoke but made to measure should be fine for most people
I have some bespoke and some made to measure by Cesare Attolini and I have to say the Attolini fits just as nice as any bespoke suit plus is much easier to order and not go through the 3 fittings which for my schedule could be tough especially given where I live as I'm not aware of any good bespoke tailors in my area. But of course with Attolini you pay for it as the suits range from $6,700-$7,700 US
This video is old but I still feel it's worth mentioning that if you actually pay attention and watch the video, he clearly raises his arms in the more expensive suits at 5:12 and again at 6:23. Just an FYI for anyone finding this video in 2020. Lol.
La différence entre 500 et 5000 est 4500 soit le pouvoir d'achat des gens qui voudraient bien s'offrir un très beau costume, et celui qu'ils achètent réellement, non en désespoir de cause, mais simplement aux vues de leur possibilités. Il n'en reste pas moins, que ces costumes sont d'une facture d'exception, qui justifie amplement leurs prix; De plus je suis en admiration devant un tel savoir faire, bravo messieurs les couturiers, vôtre savoir faire est un veritable patrimoine, qui je l'espère perdurera.
A lot of this is a generalisation, custom made suits are not as bad as you say, there are plenty of full canvas clothes that are not bespoke, also in terms of materials you can buy what ever materials you want and take them to your tailor
This guy had his point, he is comparing for example " Ferrari sport car (Italian) VS Toyota F 86 sport car (Japanese)" Both cars do have their duty to reach any destination you desire. One might reach faster than the other but at the end of the day, the destination is the same place. So no matter how hard he is trying to compare, it is impossible to match with each other like US$ 300 to $ 600 suit ordered online in Asia or any part of the world with low labor cost against pure Italian or English suit maker in Europe (very high labor and expensive rent) custom suit will cost US$ 1,500 to 5,000 depends where you shop and fabric mills that you choose. So for most people which could afford US$ 200 to US$ 900 dollars a suit would rather go for online suit as in the beginning the fits might not be 100% perfect, but if you order them a second time they should know what needed to be adjust base on the first suit that you order as they will surely keep all details and measurements for future purpose. If you are super rich then please visit Italian and English tailors as it is worth your money, but most of working men are not that rich and whom could tell the different between cheap online suit vs expensive Italian and English suit if you are not a tailor yourself or fashion designer.
For all the people complaining about the lack of comparison between arms raised in the $500 and $5,000 suit please see 5:10 where arms are raised in the more expensive suit.
It's a different suit than the one he is wearing, and is also with bent arms , different pose, and is also not showing the bottom and he is moving very slowly and carefully, it is still riding up.
If your making a video comparison talking about the difference in mobility between a 500 and and 5000 suit you'd think they would have clear full body side by side demonstrations. It is an interesting video but it seems pretty suspicious.
Calling a $500 suit "cheap" isn't a good look. It's also unnecessary writing. "Difference between $500 custom suit and $5000 tailor made suit" accomplishes the same thing with less words.
That tight suit in the opening, is reminiscent of the "Barbarian Beauty", the suit the mountain populating males have traditionally worn to their first dates. The hair, is of course in accord, the "Barbarian Scalp Vista", as it is called, complete with Cabbage Oil to hold it in place. Congratulations on the Look !!
In India/Vietnam/Thailand, this '$5000 bespoke suit' can be had for just $600 if you give them 4-7 days to make it. Yes, it is really as good or 99.9% as good, and very few people will be able to tell the difference. Much like $70 wine vs. $1000 wine can fool most experts.
I would go for that grey, cheaper suit. Looks so much better, more fashionable in every way. You just don't raise arms above shoulder level in suit. If you can afford 5k suit, you simply don't call a cab by raising your arms ;) Have a nice day
I am lucky - we have local firm here and I am able to buy silk square for aprox. 10bucks and silk tie for 30. On the opposit side of the street there are shops from abroad with much higher prices
my advise is to buy a bespoke suit the price range can be different but isnt large at all. My cheapest suit is about 300 dollars, which i accounted for the different nationality but the idea is its not about the price its more of the tailor, price still somewhat matters but it is valued more when it comes to the fabric quality
People about to get a job. If you can't spend at least a few hundred, you aren't going to get the good jobs. Or go buy a decent suit at the thrift store.
Could the difference illustrated by raising your arms simply be because the 500 suit has the English-style structured shoulder with padding, while the 5000 suit has the Italian style soft unstructured shoulder?
As has been discussed, consideration of cost is a constant for most everyone, no matter what the budget. What failed to be thoroughly explained was the intent of this video. The discussion is to best understand the difference between a $500.00 custom suit or a $5000 bespoke suit. $500 is not a small amount of money but if considering a custom suit, it results in being the low end of the market for custom tailoring. If an individual is more focused on maintaining a budget there is no reason that cash shouldn't focus more on a suit that is mass produced, it will offer better value, require less energy and some piece of mind of the final result.. If and when the budget offers a bit more leeway then custom suits can be a consideration.
Pleawe wear a $5000 "double breasted" suit and raise your arms in a comparativly similar motion to the demonstration you made on $500 suits. Can you be more biased?
There are 500 dollar suits that have a fit substantially better than a suit you bought of the track, 1 size to small. If you get a MTM Suitsupply suit for example it will fit to a level that comes very close to that of a real bespoke suit. As bespoke suits go, you kinda get them right, exactly right that is, for a price of no more then somwhere in the 2000 dollar range. The extra 3000, that is money you spend on either a fancy brand or a luxurious fabric.
Obviously a $500 online suit will never match an individually bespoke suit that costs ten times as much. However, online made to measure companies have come a long way in the past few years (even since this video was posted). As long as you communicate with the companies in question about any particulars (arm holes and making sure garments aren't too tight around the chest and loose around the back in my case), you can get items that are only superficially inferior to the $5000 alternatives. The caveat is it might sometimes take a couple attempts with these online companies to get something just right, but if you work with a company known for good customer service, that's not a big issue.
What about a place like Tailor Cooperative? They have high-end custom suits but also their "core collection" custom suits, averaging around $500 - $600. There are fittings and whatnot, it's fully custom and all in person.
If you have $5,000 to spend on a suit, you shouldn't be reading this. If you don't, no need to spend $5,000 for a bespoke suit. Shop and find a great Italian suit on sale such as Cesare Attolini, Sartoria Partenopea, Canali. These are full canvas suits, (except for Attolini who uses no interface), and these suits will all be well constructed, with great detailing. Next, find a great tailor who isn't afraid to take the suit apart and re-cut it to your form. The alterations may run $150-400, but if you bought a great suit at 40% to 60% off, you're way ahead of the game. Don't try to go cheap on a tailor working in a dry cleaners. You need a specialist. What you won't get going this route is the option to add many bells and whistles to a bespoke suit, such as; dax waist, button fly, etc., but you will get a suit that will last many years. What you do need to do is research. You should know what you want the suit to look like before you ever walk into the tailor's shop. Never rely on the tailor to design the suit. Walk in with pictures, diagrams, a fashion book etc. Even if you are having an off-the-rack suit refitted for you, you should know exactly what features you want, how fitted you want it, etc.
I have become a huge fan of made to measure shirts over the past few months and while I had to experiment and tweak 2-3 shirts the end result is really awesome. I am expecting a similar process with online made to measure suits as well so I haven't pulled the trigger on that. Would you have any tips on how to make sure the measurements are correct? Maybe go to a local tailor to help with that (probably not free but still seems like a good idea)?
Don't people usually eat when sitting? If I remember correctly form your previous videos, when sitting, the jacket is unbuttoned. So, yeah... Kind of biased? Also, who eats like that?
You do understand that you can buy a car for the same price of this suit you are talking about right ? 5k is far too much for the average person living in a 1st world country to justify the cost for the usability.
You know what the problem is is people don’t know value of fabric that’s the reason why they can say the suit is $5000 remember the person who is the third party selling the suit is selling it for $5000 and not the people who are making the suit which I’m sure it they got it for way cheaper
Makes me wonder if cheap home body scanning would solve much of this and close the gap. Video game systems already have cameras which scan the body in motion, would only have to increase the resolution.
I kept waiting for you to raise both arms in the expensive suit as you did in the inexpensive suit to illustrate the supposed massive difference between the two.
Exactly! He didn't do it because the expensive one does it too.
Kristofer Sens he did at 5:12
Ha .. exactly the comment I was going to make.
Nowhere near the same demonstration, Ryan.
except, he used a buttoned up double-breasted suit for the cheap example, which is by definition or rigid and allows less range of motion than an unbuttoned single breasted suit that he used as an example for the $5000. It was an unfair comparison.
my dads been a tailor for 25+ years I got him to make me a suit once I asked how much he'd charge for something like it and he said over $2000! Glad he's my father 😂!
abba g america me darzi lgy hain?
Very labor-intensive and requires an expertise that very few people have
You are a lucky man.
Can I give you my measurments, you tell your dad your body shape changed a little so you now need another suit, and I pay you 100$? :D
@@cccpredarmy 😂😂😂😂
Oh jeez, it's a no-brainer then! From now on, only $5000 suits for me!
for 5k i might as well just make it myself, because im sure when i click on their website there not going to have everything i want even for 5k, like 65% wool 30% lotus silk and 5%cotton fabric.
I have about 40 $5,000 suits and thinking of getting several more
@@snusmumriken232 I knooowwww!!!! Every time I see an email of a starving child who needs the gospel and food I just remember "I need bespoke..."
@@HotelCharliHill Children do not need the gospel
@@user-bo3mp8un6c We ALL need the Gospel. It's just that prior to some "age of accountability," by God's grace they don't need it for the salvation by grace.
Well I'd imagine the difference is $4,500
I wouldn't call a $500 suit a cheap suit. Most of my suits cost $500 and it is what most middle class people can afford (a $100 suit is too cheap unless you really can't afford it). I think that a $500 suit is the best option for most middle class people.
+Herman Lucero I mentioned in my comment that I wouldn't call a $500 suit cheap. $500 is standard for halfway decent quality. A $100 dollar suit is a cheap suit, I don't think it is even possible to buy a suit cheaper than $100 unless is it used.
Correction, 500$ is what middle class people can afford to go out and throw money away on. There's a saying among engineers. Buy best, cry once.
@Griffith Williams There isn't much of a point getting a suit that cheap, unless its vintage or second hand good quality and fits.
Bold words from the richest man in Rome
Yes mine range from 600 to 1,000.
So i have sat through a 10 minute video and not once did he answer the question
The difference between and $500 and $5000 suite is
$4500
Hahahahaha !!
Henry Louey no you're wrong..its $-4500
Exactly! I feel so let down. :(
Henry Louey
Hahaha, so fking brilliant
I noticed that you kept raising your arms to show how an ill-fitted suit reacts to movement, but you never did so while wearing the $5,000 suit. How differently does the jacket react to movement?
Yes sir, he did. Look for him in his blue suit "asking for a cab"
Yes, he did, at 5:09.
Honestly though, he didn't give it the same attention as when he showed the cheap suit. Would have been nice. Those who have bespoke suits, already know the diff. This video is supposed to be for those who don't really know the detailed difference. A sceptical person or an unknowledgeable one might think he did it that way on purpose because it still moved a lot more than one would expect after he talked about the difference between the two.
that was only one arm, hardly a side by side comparison to make his point
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I only wish you showed us the tailoring results of a $5000 suit so we can actually see the points you tried to prove. I saw a $900 fit to measure suit next to a Bespoke suit and differences become too subtle. There was no magical fit you describe. You raise your arms in any suit and it will be boxy and stiff, unless your Bespoke suits are made of spandex.
True bespoke suits are handmade so they don't have at all any of the restrictions on movement as the off-the-rack suits do. What he didn't say is that bespoke is an indicator that the suit is handmade and no machine touches it.
I ‘get it.’ Few do however.
99.9% of people will never know the difference between a high quality made to measure suit and a $5000 bespoke suit. It really boils down to the amount of handwork in the suit. I've even seen fully canvassed MTM suits, with various linings, horned buttons, picked stitching, surgeon cuffs, contrasting button hole threads and various other options, teamed with Loro Piana super 180s in any fabric pattern your heart desires for about $1000 bucks. Sure the button holes aren't hand finished but that's not worth $4000 imho.
Honesty many can see the difference. Still one should wear what one can afford and loves
A bespoke suit can take as many as 80 hours of work.
When I was very young I went to the New York branch of Bernard Weatherill, a London tailor who was very popular in NYC at the time. I ordered a suit with a vest and the tailor asked me if I wanted lapels on the vest. I blurted out "No, I hate that look". Then I noticed his waistcoat had lapels. He looked at me right in the eye and turned to his assistant and said "put down no hips and bowed legs".
Great point
He might've been a tool bag. I dislike lapels on vests for myself but im sure others like it and look good in it. BUT... shouldnt dictate how you treat a customer.
@@idofps9709I think the point is some tailors do have a style and they want to do that style if you seek them out. Also a great tailor is to be respected. If they are making your suit by hand they have enough business. They are willing to make you a suit.
I appreciate what he was trying to say but it solves a question that very few can seriously ask. I am sure the moon looks way better from a NASA rocket but for the rest of us non astronauts a telescope will have to do.
Almost every suit I own cost between $700 - $800, with a few less expensive ones purchased when I was first building my wardrobe. All of them have been extensively tailored to fit extremely well. I have seen a number of suits in the $1200 - $1500 range that are very nice, and my tailor has told me that he can build me a very nice suit for about the same price. I'm not sure just what makes a suit worth $5000, but I feel like there has to be a point of diminishing returns. I'd have to be very wealthy to ever feel right dropping that kind of money on a suit.
Umm, the board of directors? Investors? Of course you don't need to impress the average guy. You need to impress people one or two levels above you.
Fabric
@@cbernier3 wouldn't the guy 2 levels above you have a much better suit than you and thus would not be impressed by your comparably peasant like suit.
The guy 2 levels above is wearing silk beach shorts and a bib full of coke
Well done you fell for the hype beast mentality over spending on a suit that 99% of people don't and can't tell the difference between a couple hundred pound suit and a £3000 suit
At 5:12 he raises his arms in the expensive suit but has buttons open unlike with the cheaper one. I don't know if that makes a difference but I am not sold.
Hey, I got the Tennant suit in custom cotton brown/blue pinstripes from Magnoli Clothiers. Honestly, best $575 I've ever spent. It was a birthday gift to myself and the suit is quite comfortable even to this day. Everything fits perfectly. After owning for half a year, I can see where I could improve certain measurements, but I'm still very happy with the suit I have right now. Allons-y!
Couldn't afford a 5K suit even before I retired. This will kill you but I actually have a $50 suit. No kidding! Most people I encounter don't have a clue. I put it together with a beautiful David Donahue shirt and great tie and look like a million bucks. I'm actually more comfortable in it for the very reason that I spent so little; I don't worry about snags or spills.
Was it $50 new or used vintage? He doesn't have any problem with folks buying inexpensive good quality used suits and even has a video where his entire outfit cost him less that $300.
ruclips.net/video/H2qsIUcANG4/видео.html
Same! I love classic menswear, but will never afford to buy a 500€ suit because I also do fencing which is a quite expensive sport. I also pull off great outfits with cheap suits.
This information is good. You know what I like about it? It is practical and clear. I think that every father should pass this onto their sons. You know, have the 'talk' about clothes and fill them in on what they need to know about suits, shoes, shirts, colognes, hair. I floundered about for years making mistakes only because I didn't just get told this upfront.
You can get great half-canvassed suit at $1000 from Italian tailors with hand rolled lapels with great pattern and hand-stitching. I don't think you should spend $5000 on suit even if you have money
Which places would you recommend?
@@ayebarberfuckmeup4689 Pini Parma.
@@ayebarberfuckmeup4689 They’re handmade in Italy.
I would love to see you showing us some items from your closet and how you put together an outfit.
yes!
Thanks for your professional
Advice expertise on bespoke suit
Iam low end middle class,
Not a very high end person
My suit fordabilities
Price range 250 350 500 max
My bespoke is 1500/2500 max
Done by not known designers
I value your wisdom knowledge
Explanation of details on
The bespoke suit details
Why would it cost that much
My experience is that you have
A tailor that you know & trust
That is personal to eye to detail
My tailor gives me affordable
Tailoring to my suit & taste
And I am not disappointed
With the results
Thanks for your video
In the 90's I worked for a uniform manufacture which used local tailor shops to make some of the things. Most things were manufactured in China. But if there something they couldn't make or they were out of stock of a few items, they would get them made at the local tailor shop. For Christmas one year, I got to have a bespoke suit made for me for being an employee. It wasn't the most expensive fabric but it was a very nice wool fabric that I got to pick out. In the end it was fabulous. It felt and looked amazing! There is just noting like putting on a custom-tailored suit. Every man should have a least on customer tailored suit in his life.
At some point "surgeon's cuffs" became a status symbol. While the buttons may be functional, they serve no practical purpose. Has there been even one situation in your life over the past 30 years when it was more desirable to unbutton and roll up your sleeves instead of just taking off the jacket?
Bigwave2003 certain 500$ custom suit makers offer function buttons.
You are spot on. They are a way a bragging without saying anything. Problem is 99 out of 100 people have no idea what the symbol is or means
To wash your hands.
Cuffs start to stink with accumulated handwash splashes. There often isn't a hook in washrooms to hang one's suit coat.
Bigwave2003 if you are a surgeon and need to do an emergency operation outdoors:)
The most expensive suit I have is a $2,000 Versace which does have a different drape, but the truth that I have learned is that a great tailor can make my off the rack $200 suit look better than a poorly tailored $2,000 suit. Your build also makes a huge difference because I have an easy to fit off the rack body which fits the standard cuts pretty much the way it is without much tailoring needed, compared to my friends who are fat or misproportioned with too much muscles up top with skinny legs.
Versace after all is a off the rack overpriced garbage, bespoke suits are on the league of its own. What you can go for are made to measure suits, they are considerably cheaper than those bespoke suits but far better than all those high fashions brands like Gucci, chanel, Versace etc
@@neerajnongmaithem392 Where do you go for your MTM suits?
This guy is different, he's really different. If I was to buy a $5000.00 suit, I would most certainly buy it from his store and only have this guy tailor my suit. No one else. He's a different breed of tailor for sure.
Levels to the game
Much as I like these videos, I'm bound to disagree on several points, chiefly when it comes to cost.There's simply no need to go for a 5000$ to get a first quality bespoke item, and I know this for a fact. My last costume was barely on the 1000$ edge, and I received not less attention from my tailor or enlightened advice about fabrics, color, trimmings and fashionable details than our king ( I'm belgian, BTW). Of course, the final cost depends heavily on materials, as they vary wildly in price. Granted, if you choose a horribly expensive, albeit exceedingly beautiful fabric, the sky's the limit, but superior quality ones are available at reasonable prices. Don't ruin yourselves unnecessarily.
I think he said 5 thousand because its america and they have big salary compared to belgium...thus certain things can be cheaper in belgium or portugal, spain, korea...etc
In India/Vietnam/Thailand, this '$5000 bespoke suit' can be had for $700. There are many RUclips videos about this.
I invested about 800€ in the Suitsupply in store made to mesure program. The tailor who mesured me was extremely professional.
I had a second fitting and some small alterations where made for free. I am incredibly happy with the suit and I think it is a million times better than if i would have ordered it online. In store made to mesure is definitely a great option to Bespoke in my opinion as it comes really close at a third of the price.
Lol i never worn a suit or tux that cost more than $150 but m happy to know this info about the things which make a suit luxurious and so expensive....!!
I work for a menswear store and our custom program is pretty much just one of our "higher end" suits with your choice of material and we adjust a couple of measurements to your size. Essentially it is an off the rack suit with the alterations already done
Lol Men’s Wearhouse worker here are you speaking to the Joseph Abboud? 😂 Now MW also provides JOE and Michael Strahan options for custom, plus all alterations are free. Worth it for $400.
Few problems here: 500 dollars is not "cheap" to a regular american. Some of us make that in two weeks of work. Also, I think the regular viewer on this channel does not have extra change in their montly budget for a 5000 suit.
Actually there are no problems here. A person making 500$ in two weeks probably does not need a 500$ suit let alone a suit at all. They could get by with a suit from Macy's. In the corporate world, 500$ suits are extremely cheap and very noticeable. When you have to wear a suit everyday, the quality really does count. Also, he's aware that his average viewer is not wearing 5k bespokes. He is simply educating.
Obviously this content is not meant for impoverished people who make $500 every 2 weeks. If you don't have the money then don't buy the suit. Whats the problem? Just had to comment something, huh?
I don't really care what people "consider" me. And men wearing high quality suits is not the main problem with today's society. Thanks for coming out though.
Heartily agree. I am no where near $100K salary. My best suit is a $1,300 Samualsohn that I got for $650 on sale. It is FAR above what the average guy wears at my office.
MrRyuTko you're the problem with today's society
$500-$1,500 = fair price, acceptable & affordable to most of us
$5,000 = overpriced and simply not worth it
period
At some level its simply wort it. Most of us are simply nit on that level.
i feel ya on that one. however, i do believe that the expensive purchases like these are lifelong investments. And ate somewhat saving you money in the long run if you're constantly buying new cheap $100 suits of lower quality.
but $5,000 on a garment, yes, it really does seem ridiculous when you're not made of money.
It is worth it.
We're talking about suits not just one garment. if you lived in London or anywhere else in Europe $5k on one garment is average in the suit world. a true bespoke suit in London could cost you more than 27k Euros, they have garments that are 12k and that's Euros which is approximately $1.8 every Euro.
Always get extra slacks. Slacks wear out 2-3 pairs per jacket
Very fancy tailors sometimes make you an extra pair of pants, such as Cifonelli in Paris. Sounds like an old-fashioned mass market American suit maker like Bond in the 30s and 40s
The difference is very much in the armscythe AND in the way the pad stitching is done to conform to your body. I have had a great deal of success altering cheaper suits to fit nearly as well but there really is no substitution for custom. Its like kitchen cabinets. Sure you can buy stock sizes from the big box store for a lot less but the difference between that and a cabinet built to fit your taste as well as your space is obviously much more gorgeous.
I wear a suit everyday to work, and never heard of the term bespoke. Good information on the differences in quality. Your channel is teaching me how to raise my game. Before I got to the point where I can lay down $5K on a suit, I'm guessing I would have to be in the $250K annual salary for it to make sense. Until then, the $500 suit is about right for the working man.
Focus on the quality not the cost. Look for Hart Schaffner Mark, Hickey Freeman or Ted Baker on sale for half canvas suits. For full canvas, you can't beat Samuelsohn for value. I got one at Nordstrom for 50% off, $650. Most full canvas OTR suits are going to run over $1500 so it's best to find them at places like Saks off 5th or Nordstrom Rack. Hickey, Samuelsohn, Canali, Corneliani can all be found there for cheap (meaning under $1,000).
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Get a Kiton Napoli suit.
To all those complaining about the price: it's exactly the same as buying a custom cabinet from a master cabinet maker. Sewing is a trade and a skill, clothing is their craft. Except you're wearing it instead of it sitting in your home. You don't buy 50 cabinets either, you have one or two and you keep them for a long time. The ONLY reason clothing has been so cheap is because of fast fashion and it's made in sweat shops in Asia. Realistically without fast fashion manufacturing all suits should be priced upwards of 1,000$.
In my country, bespoke suits that would cost $6000+ if you made it in savile row will cost around $400-600 in my country. Bespoke tailors in my country include:
Laxmi Tailors
Brillington & Brothers
Hariom's
And much more...
What country is this? I need to visit to have some suits made! 👔
I've read your blogs for years and very happy with this RUclips channel and your cheeky responses. Very Smart and Posh.
Thank you.
Gentleman's Gazette de Nada
I may not look too "dapper", but when you see me you will notice I am clearly man of culture. With my teal coloured Crooks and Castle shirt, complemented by a picture of medusa wearing a bandana, accompanied by my knee low Reasons tiger swim shorts, up sized to fit like basketball shorts, splashed with baby blue and pink all over it, followed by random kanji writing, a tiger, and palm tree silhouettes.
Plus being that these ones are special edition, they have baby blue instead of the normal teal that the shorts come in and also have lightning on them.
A true Gentleman...
This is fair enough, and valid in terms of absolute quality. For most, a $500 suit is already a disproportionate spend. Each to his own, and means.
I would have cut down the video by 5 minutes and just say flat out that made-to-measure online coatmakers take the same shortcuts that ready-to-wear makers do because they're following set template patterns that aren't 100% customized to the individual. Larger armscyes, standard shoulder slopes, generic measurements. Factory-made suits aren't bespoke.
I am sorry, but my $50 dollar linen blazer has the comfort and fit of your blue suit. And I love its casual look.
So what are you sorry about ?
hes sorry for not spending $5,000 on a suit
You can't pass a job interview with that.
Thank you for an excellent video, showing the problems with made to measure suits in comparison to a bespoke garment made on a personal, one to one manner. Showing the $500 dollar suit and then directly comparing to the bespoke shows some of the compromises you'll make when ordering a custom suit over the internet.
I believe however, that many people are hung up on the term "cheap" when discussing a suit, as for many people, myself included, $500 is not an insignificant amount of money.
However, "cheapness" is not always a comment about the actual price, but rather the price to performance ratio. For example, any suit at say, a Mens Warehouse, would be deemed "cheap"; even the ones they sell for $1000. The materials, construction, and details are all subpar; especially considering that price.
Unfortunately, and perhaps more importantly for gentlemen such as myself with more limited funding, and a size which is not available from most decent off the rack options; $500 made to measure suits are really the only option for something that will be "decent".
And yes, I thrift, but again my size puts me in a place where finding ANYTHING is a very rare thing indeed.
For a quality made to measure suit from a reputable vendor, you should be working closely with their customer service (especially on the first suit) to make sure the adjustments are compensated by the vendor, and then incorporated into the next garment. In this case, with appropriate care and a good vendor, the suit may be "inexpensive" but not "cheap". And I suppose that really leads me to my point: perhaps rather than show a cheap made to measure suit, perhaps comparing to an "inexpensive" made to measure suit to a bespoke suit may be more interesting. Especially if you utilize a tailor, or the M2Ms own brick and mortar stores for measurements. While I know the quality will not compare to a $5000 bespoke from Savile Row, you may get a product that looks good and is considerably more comfortable to wear. It would also be interesting to see how this "cheap" suit compares to one of the terrible of the rack options at say a JC Penny's, a Macy's, or a Mens Warehouse.
(I have already seen the $100 vs $1000 video, which tho helpful; doesn't directly compare these options.)
As always, thank you for these excellent videos; I enjoy them immensely.
Mine costs $500.01, so it's not cheap! 👍👍👍
im not rich. a $500 suit is better than good to me.
Yes, for most it definitely is.
$500 custom suits have become very popular because of online supply chain management? Um, they've probably become popular because who the hell can afford a $5,000 suit?
BlackAcesBlackEights Exactly!
Even if you can afford, with so many good options at sub 1k, if you're not a suit connoisseur, why spend that much money for a single suit? Not that some people love cars, and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for them, but just an honest to god Honda civic is a fine car, a 500$ suit does not need to be bad, because a 5k suit exists.
LeFatalpotato exactly!
dude, you say so much yet so little
True saleperson
That’s facts
Indeed
You can get an amazing suit that fits you extremely well and is extremely comfy at MW for about $1000.
Had many $500 that fit AND wore perfect!
I'm only a public school teacher, but a $5000 suit would be wonderful to own someday.
Anywhere between 1 month to a year?
For most people $500 dollars is a lot to spend on a suit. The only reason I can afford one of them is because I live with my folks and work a full time job while i'm looking for a place to stay, as such I have zero responsibilities bar the food i eat. Even then at most I'd ever buy 2 in a month. To me at least $5000 seems like an incredulous amount of money to spend on a suit. I don't know if it's my humble beginning s or the current state of the economy but even if I was a millionaire I couldn't feel good spending that much on a single article of clothing, there's just too many people I could help with that money.
Mind you this shouldn't detract from the video which was very helpful and well thought out
You have a great mindset. I too couldn't spend that kind of money on a suit knowing people barely have money for basic necessities. These people that are convinced the starting price for a good suit is $5000 are detached from reality.
I regularly help one of my friends buy food so they can make rent, and am currently saving the money for one such suit. Funnily enough, all my yuppy middle class friends and family balk at spending that much on clothes much like you. The only person in my life who supports this decision is my working class friend who understands they would spend similarly on luxury if they could.
I never understood how people could be so mindful of their appearance in regards to clothing and yet never go to the gym to stay in shape
agreed. take care of yourself
Thank you I always thought this. There is a fashion designer rick owens that straight out says to get in shape before worrying about buying fancy clothes lol
although this is old....... I have been boxing since I was 10 yo I now am 52 yo and I look good while sparring but I look awesome wearing my Armani
I'm getting fitted for some custom bespoke pajama pants. They cost a little more but is very much worth it.
My suit only cost me around 300 usd for a full bespoke full canvas suit (exc.the garment), if you want to use an italian brand 100% wool fabric like Valentino, VBC, Zegna with a 100% silk interlining the total cost is around 600-1000 usd max.
A lot of numbers thrown around in the comments sections regarding the cost of a bespoke suit.
Some idiot also said "a true bespoke suit in London would cost you EUR 27,000" which is absolute bullshit.
From what I've seen online a 2 piece bespoke suit costs between £3,500 - £4500 and 3 piece falls between £4,500 - £5,500 in Sevile Row, London, all made from high quality cloth.
Obviously there are over-the-top fabrics which are super expensive which will sky rocket the prices, and that is something that is made to cater the super rich people.
If you want to stitch a bespoke suit don't be afraid to save some money and get that dapper look.
Good advice. People forget about selling and saving.
Interesting information , thanks . Honestly , Most gents cant fly over to England to be fit several times for a suit or a Falcon sports car .
Really good review. Unfortunately not many of us have the $ to spend on a custom suit.
Good video because I understand what you are going for, pushing the concept of the one on one relationship with a tailor like the old school. There are flaws to this though because this only speaks to a certain audience of a greater financial bracket. Young guys like myself don't have 5K to throw down on a bespoke suit plus adding on traveling costs just to do so?? Ehh I have no problem spending $500-$1500 online when I live in a city that does not have bespoke culture. In doing so I've built good relationships with people like Dan Trepanier. Even through my own bespoke waistcoat business I've built good conversation with people & I have never had a complaint with a garment. This subject definitely has two sides
Thanks for bringing that up. This video points out why bespoke suits are so much better quality-wise and I don't think there's an argument there. We definitely understand it's not for everybody that's why Raphael said at the end of the video, you have to know what works for you. He also pointed out the cost of going the bespoke path and we have touched on the "other side of the subject" in an earlier video/topic which you may want to see: ruclips.net/video/zcsFP83eu3Y/видео.html
Nonsense, I'm 26 I got out of trade school 4 years ago, I'm saving up for a bespoke suit. You can do it, it's just an investment. People might not look at you and consciously say, oh, he's wearing a hand made suit. But they will notice how you look and it will effect how they treat you
I understand there is a negligible difference in material and other minor options but how does the 5k suit not tighten up when raising up your arms ? Does $5,000 fabric magically increase in length from under your armpits?
+Brickstun Ram it's the cut that is based on your individual pattern
Gentleman's Gazette could've easily proven that by demonstrating it in the video. Missed your chance.
PONYBOYonline he did
PONYBOYonline about 5:09
+KlappKlo That was just one movement that took 2 seconds compared to the 30 seconds in the beginning he spent showing how the suit behaves in various positions from various angles. Could have simply done a side by side shot showing two clips of the two suits doing the same exact movements. That would have been an effective and precise way of clearly showing the differences between the functionality of two types of suits.
For anyone who wants a made to measure suit in the highest quality, come to Japan! Because everyone here in japan wears suits to work. Good quality suits are important. Theyll cost you between 300-1200 dollars depending on fabric and the fit is very good
love the videos, its interesting to see some of the differences, i enjoy the content! and for those that are on a budget you can find expensive suits cheap. i have suits that are $1500- $3700 and have never paid the actual price, used and clearance will save you a lot, i have purchase $1000 and $2000 suits for $70-$100 and so on. yes you have to look around but it pays off, i have 1 $400 suit, its ok, but will never compare to the more expensive ones i own. if you put enough time in you will find one and you will not regret it.
I wouldn't call a $500 suit "bad" or "cheap" because that's probably the best most middle-class Americans can afford and usually a $500 suit should fit pretty well. I mean if you make a lot of money then definitely go bespoke but made to measure should be fine for most people
I have been working in a tailor store for 12 years in Thailand but most of your answer are good but some are funny
it also depends on the labour market, a top notch bespoke suit will cost much less in Turkey or Poland than France or England.
I have some bespoke and some made to measure by Cesare Attolini and I have to say the Attolini fits just as nice as any bespoke suit plus is much easier to order and not go through the 3 fittings which for my schedule could be tough especially given where I live as I'm not aware of any good bespoke tailors in my area. But of course with Attolini you pay for it as the suits range from $6,700-$7,700 US
I got an of the rack suit for over $500 and I love it.
This video is old but I still feel it's worth mentioning that if you actually pay attention and watch the video, he clearly raises his arms in the more expensive suits at 5:12 and again at 6:23. Just an FYI for anyone finding this video in 2020. Lol.
La différence entre 500 et 5000 est 4500 soit le pouvoir d'achat des gens qui voudraient bien s'offrir un très beau costume, et celui qu'ils achètent réellement, non en désespoir de cause, mais simplement aux vues de leur possibilités. Il n'en reste pas moins, que ces costumes sont d'une facture d'exception, qui justifie amplement leurs prix; De plus je suis en admiration devant un tel savoir faire, bravo messieurs les couturiers, vôtre savoir faire est un veritable patrimoine, qui je l'espère perdurera.
A lot of this is a generalisation, custom made suits are not as bad as you say, there are plenty of full canvas clothes that are not bespoke, also in terms of materials you can buy what ever materials you want and take them to your tailor
This guy had his point, he is comparing for example " Ferrari sport car (Italian) VS Toyota F 86 sport car (Japanese)" Both cars do have their duty to reach any destination you desire. One might reach faster than the other but at the end of the day, the destination is the same place. So no matter how hard he is trying to compare, it is impossible to match with each other like US$ 300 to $ 600 suit ordered online in Asia or any part of the world with low labor cost against pure Italian or English suit maker in Europe (very high labor and expensive rent) custom suit will cost US$ 1,500 to 5,000 depends where you shop and fabric mills that you choose. So for most people which could afford US$ 200 to US$ 900 dollars a suit would rather go for online suit as in the beginning the fits might not be 100% perfect, but if you order them a second time they should know what needed to be adjust base on the first suit that you order as they will surely keep all details and measurements for future purpose. If you are super rich then please visit Italian and English tailors as it is worth your money, but most of working men are not that rich and whom could tell the different between cheap online suit vs expensive Italian and English suit if you are not a tailor yourself or fashion designer.
My Dad used to get bespoke suits in Chicago; now i think that you would have to go to NYC.
For all the people complaining about the lack of comparison between arms raised in the $500 and $5,000 suit please see 5:10 where arms are raised in the more expensive suit.
It's a different suit than the one he is wearing, and is also with bent arms , different pose, and is also not showing the bottom and he is moving very slowly and carefully, it is still riding up.
If your making a video comparison talking about the difference in mobility between a 500 and and 5000 suit you'd think they would have clear full body side by side demonstrations. It is an interesting video but it seems pretty suspicious.
“500 $ cheap suit“
Me wearing a 150 $ suit:
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Calling a $500 suit "cheap" isn't a good look. It's also unnecessary writing. "Difference between $500 custom suit and $5000 tailor made suit" accomplishes the same thing with less words.
That tight suit in the opening, is reminiscent of the "Barbarian Beauty", the suit the mountain populating males have traditionally worn to their first dates. The hair, is of course in accord, the "Barbarian Scalp Vista", as it is called, complete with Cabbage Oil to hold it in place. Congratulations on the Look !!
In India/Vietnam/Thailand, this '$5000 bespoke suit' can be had for just $600 if you give them 4-7 days to make it. Yes, it is really as good or 99.9% as good, and very few people will be able to tell the difference. Much like $70 wine vs. $1000 wine can fool most experts.
I would go for that grey, cheaper suit. Looks so much better, more fashionable in every way. You just don't raise arms above shoulder level in suit. If you can afford 5k suit, you simply don't call a cab by raising your arms ;) Have a nice day
Thanks for your videos - such a great channel!
What about the $300-$500 bespoke suit from Thailand from reputable suit makers
Hahaha, good one.
They are cheap because the labour power is cheap in Thailand and such countries.
I'm the type of guy who wears a mtm suitsupply suit of approx $500 and combines it with overpriced Hermes ties and pocket squares...
same here, accessories are the shit.
very nice play
I am lucky - we have local firm here and I am able to buy silk square for aprox. 10bucks and silk tie for 30. On the opposit side of the street there are shops from abroad with much higher prices
Well……Hermes tie is only about 300 dollar…
Are you a stockbroker?
Your videos are very educational. One of the best men fashion youtube channel. Keep up the good work. ☺️
my advise is to buy a bespoke suit the price range can be different but isnt large at all. My cheapest suit is about 300 dollars, which i accounted for the different nationality but the idea is its not about the price its more of the tailor, price still somewhat matters but it is valued more when it comes to the fabric quality
I got an $80 suit and it serves me well.
What about concealed handguns? Should I go to Naples for my bespoke tailor? I just ask because the hair pomade makes you look 'mobby'.
There MUST be an acceptable middle of the road option. The number of men who can afford $5000 suit is exceptionally limited.
Yes, but there's a very glaring similarity:
Who the hell can afford either?!
When in doubt, search thrift stores or second-hand shops.
+John Smith Thanks for the advice, dipshit!
DongleSlongBog people who know how to manage their money...
DongleSlongBog a person with a jobb
People about to get a job. If you can't spend at least a few hundred, you aren't going to get the good jobs. Or go buy a decent suit at the thrift store.
Could the difference illustrated by raising your arms simply be because the 500 suit has the English-style structured shoulder with padding, while the 5000 suit has the Italian style soft unstructured shoulder?
I like the Goodwill customs
I don't really mind low armholes myself as I don't often raise my arms in the jacket and if I do, I unbutton it.
As has been discussed, consideration of cost is a constant for most everyone, no matter what the budget.
What failed to be thoroughly explained was the intent of this video. The discussion is to best understand the difference between a $500.00 custom suit or a $5000 bespoke suit. $500 is not a small amount of money but if considering a custom suit, it results in being the low end of the market for custom tailoring.
If an individual is more focused on maintaining a budget there is no reason that cash shouldn't focus more on a suit that is mass produced, it will offer better value, require less energy and some piece of mind of the final result.. If and when the budget offers a bit more leeway then custom suits can be a consideration.
If I'm paying $5000 for a suit I better be able to play basketball in it, fight like John Wick and it won't get dirty or torn.
Pleawe wear a $5000 "double breasted" suit and raise your arms in a comparativly similar motion to the demonstration you made on $500 suits. Can you be more biased?
There are 500 dollar suits that have a fit substantially better than a suit you bought of the track, 1 size to small. If you get a MTM Suitsupply suit for example it will fit to a level that comes very close to that of a real bespoke suit.
As bespoke suits go, you kinda get them right, exactly right that is, for a price of no more then somwhere in the 2000 dollar range. The extra 3000, that is money you spend on either a fancy brand or a luxurious fabric.
lol at how he took off that first uncomfortable jacket
Obviously a $500 online suit will never match an individually bespoke suit that costs ten times as much. However, online made to measure companies have come a long way in the past few years (even since this video was posted). As long as you communicate with the companies in question about any particulars (arm holes and making sure garments aren't too tight around the chest and loose around the back in my case), you can get items that are only superficially inferior to the $5000 alternatives. The caveat is it might sometimes take a couple attempts with these online companies to get something just right, but if you work with a company known for good customer service, that's not a big issue.
What about a place like Tailor Cooperative? They have high-end custom suits but also their "core collection" custom suits, averaging around $500 - $600. There are fittings and whatnot, it's fully custom and all in person.
If you have $5,000 to spend on a suit, you shouldn't be reading this. If you don't, no need to spend $5,000 for a bespoke suit. Shop and find a great Italian suit on sale such as Cesare Attolini, Sartoria Partenopea, Canali. These are full canvas suits, (except for Attolini who uses no interface), and these suits will all be well constructed, with great detailing. Next, find a great tailor who isn't afraid to take the suit apart and re-cut it to your form. The alterations may run $150-400, but if you bought a great suit at 40% to 60% off, you're way ahead of the game. Don't try to go cheap on a tailor working in a dry cleaners. You need a specialist.
What you won't get going this route is the option to add many bells and whistles to a bespoke suit, such as; dax waist, button fly,
etc., but you will get a suit that will last many years.
What you do need to do is research. You should know what you want the suit to look like before you ever walk into the tailor's shop. Never rely on the tailor to design the suit. Walk in with pictures, diagrams, a fashion book etc. Even if you are having an off-the-rack suit refitted for you, you should know exactly what features you want, how fitted you want it, etc.
I have become a huge fan of made to measure shirts over the past few months and while I had to experiment and tweak 2-3 shirts the end result is really awesome. I am expecting a similar process with online made to measure suits as well so I haven't pulled the trigger on that.
Would you have any tips on how to make sure the measurements are correct? Maybe go to a local tailor to help with that (probably not free but still seems like a good idea)?
you wouldn't be able to get the proper measurements without having someone that knows how to take measurements for a suit.
Don't people usually eat when sitting? If I remember correctly form your previous videos, when sitting, the jacket is unbuttoned. So, yeah... Kind of biased?
Also, who eats like that?
I had a tailor made medium weight wool suit made from Alexandre of London for $200.
You do understand that you can buy a car for the same price of this suit you are talking about right ? 5k is far too much for the average person living in a 1st world country to justify the cost for the usability.
Yes. A $5,000 suit is something that one earns through working experience or wins in a contest.
You know what the problem is is people don’t know value of fabric that’s the reason why they can say the suit is $5000 remember the person who is the third party selling the suit is selling it for $5000 and not the people who are making the suit which I’m sure it they got it for way cheaper
Makes me wonder if cheap home body scanning would solve much of this and close the gap. Video game systems already have cameras which scan the body in motion, would only have to increase the resolution.