depression is often unnoticed by parents, friends, and others around you. People that are depressed are really good at hiding it. Someone could be really hurting on the inside and you may have no clue at all. This is why it can be hard to intervene. This is also why we need to be having these discussions with all people everywhere. You never know who may be going through it and even the smallest of gestures can save a life.
i don't know if i understand your question? If you mean who helped him, my answer is no one, no one helped him. It was clear that the girlfriend should have told his parents that he was talking about killing himself, and she didn't.
Kacey Boston I saw a video of the text messages and she was encouraging him to do it!! That’s just sick! I can’t think of anyone on their right mind to encourage someone you are suppose to love to commit suicide.
I’m not writing this to get attention! This really happened! When I was in middle school, I was friends with a girl who was always being teased and bullied by a lot of people (even high schoolers which is sad).We were sitting on the bus heading to school and she started crying. I asked her what was wrong and she told me that she was going to commit suicide in the girls bathroom. I told her not to do it and told her that her family loved her and would be broken if she did it.. She didn’t budge. She asked me to promise her that I wouldn’t say anything to anybody. I lied to her and told her I wouldn’t but I knew I had to tell someone right away before she would hurt herself. When we got to school, I ran all the way to the counselors office and told her what the girl told me. I told her that she had to hurry and find her before it was too late. I started hyperventilating and crying because I was scared . The principal came and took me to the nurse’s office while my counselor went to find the girl. All the teachers went to find her too. They eventually found her and she was took to the hospital. I don’t think she hurt herself but they took her anyways. I remember I saw her a year later and told her I was glad to see her. She started crying and told me that she was happy to be alive and thanked me for saving her life. I’m glad I told somebody because if I didn’t, I would feel guilty the rest of my life. This really happened and I would never make up a story to get attention. Suicide is not a joking matter and neither is depression.
I went through something similar with my boyfriend when we started dating, he was depressed and suicidal, he would call me at 3 am to talk about how he just wants to end his pain, I wasn't in the right place either, had an eating disorder, depression and long history of anxiety and sometimes those conversations can be overwhelming and just puts you in the worst state of mind, but I stayed by his side and did everything in my power to help even when I needed help too and wasn't that strong. What i'm trying to say is that they both were toxic to each other because no one could've been able to help the other because this kind of trauma needs someone strong enough and professional, also someone close to you who dealt with this kind of pain before to stay by your side and show support.
This reminds me of my ex and I. She claims I stopped her from ending her life. We’re on no contact now because of mistakes she made but it makes me worry that she’s gonna end it all and I’m not gonna know she did it.
@@ellacorrinejowers2217 believe it or not I’m back with her again and I’m going through the process of trying to forgive her for her choices. Thank you for caring 🙏
@@addisonlyons2003 not so sure that's a good idea bud. You need to make sure you don't let anything weigh you down either. Make sure you let her family know please 🙏
that video has a very misleading information. they left out the text messages from when he was in the truck and she really urged him to kill himself. in this video it seems she wanted to help him but reality showed it's another case
tomas be i disagree with u.she was just 17 years old (in my country that means minor) and she was under antidepressands and other mental issues. she tried to warn him.the only thing she wanted was him out of pain. and insisting in telling him not to do it wouldnt make a difference. he would probably do it alone. its wrong for me to punish a girl who knew him so little and she was going through the same shit and not his family who led him to that point from the beggining. in my opinion a parent who didnt understand about his child depression and suicidal thoughts and not giving him the necessary help should blame no one but himself. children dont get born with mental issues. the family creates them.
it doesn't mean a gd thing that she urged him, he is responsible for his fuckn actions, I don't care what she said, he was big boy, if he couldn't cope, then prosecute his fuckn family you jackass
She was getting this kind of messages all the fucking time over years from him and he never did it. Probably she doesn't believe him, probably she was sick of it and doesn't know some other way out of all this drama. No one really knows. But if you get from the age of 15 to the age of 17 this kind of drama messages all the time, you would probably do the same when you have this kind of thinkings for your own. She met him 2 times in real life... that's nothing. 2.5 years are more than enough and i hope she gets help for her own problems. Probably he will be dead earlier when she doesn't stop him over the 2 years. Nobody knows that...
Sascha Funke She could’ve just blocked him. I think his life was worth more than the frustration of her “doubt” in this scenario. Yes, I understand the drama aspect of it but like you said, they met twice, she could’ve just blocked him if that was “nothing” - instead of encouraging him to take his own life.
@@priyamathias1762 Chick is fucking nuts herself, probably a borderline personality, constant need for attention, put a man on a pedestal one day, knock him off the next, then apologize when you think you've pushed him too far, then tell him he is worthless, repeat.
She messaged him about a 1000 times the day he died telling him to do it. There was no talking him out of it at all. More like irritation that he hadn’t done it yet
@@TheCc064 So because men killed Gabby Petito and others, it’s ok and possibly a good thing that this man was encouraged to, and then successfully killed himself by the hand of a woman???? Wow, you’re just an actual piece of trash!
I just finished watching the HBO documentary about this case. It turned out to be MUCH more complicated than I thought. Not only was Conrad deeply suicidal before meeting Michelle, Michelle spent the majority of their relationship trying to be emotionally supportive and urging him to get help. At the same time, Conrad had a habit of telling her that he was going to kill himself, that she wouldn't hear from him again, only to then contact her later saying that he changed his mind and starting the cycle over again. Additionally, text evidence shows that Conrad told Michelle that he would only ever hate her if she revealed his plan to kill himself to anybody else. Michelle, for her part, had the same depression diagnosis (and even the same medication) that Conrad had and demonstrated a pattern of deep loneliness and neediness for many years, apparently finding her own sense of love and acceptance once she'd found Conrad. On the other hand, Michelle was also proven to have been an emotional manipulator and seemingly impulsive liar, telling her friends so many contradictory things that some of them expressed suspicion and trouble believing some of the things that she said. She was also lying to them, as well as Conrad's family, even while simultaneously (as in literally, back and forth in the same moments) texting to Conrad about the details of how he'd kill himself and even after he ultimately did so. After his death, she seemed happy and made a number of comments directing attention to herself, particularly with regards to a baseball tournament that she arranged in his honor, which she set up in her own town. At her trial, multiple people that were described as her friends testified that beyond school or sport activities, as well as occasional texting, they didn't consider themselves to be especially close to her. Then, lastly, there's the legal aspect of the case. Many people were, and still are, under the impression that after Conrad exited his truck to escape his suicide attempt she texted him with the demand to get back in. I believed this as well. It turns out that there is actually no verifiable evidence of this. All that exists is a text from Michelle to one of her friends, several months after the incident, in which she claimed that she said this to Conrad when she called him during his attempt. A record of two calls exists, but no recording. No one but Michelle knows what was actually said. In other words, she wasn't even found guilty for urging Conrad to get back into his truck, the single specific incident that the judge found her guilty for. Instead she was found guilty because she told a friend that she did. Not only is there no evidence that she actually DID tell Conrad this, who's to say that her comment to her friend was even true? I'm not trying to take her side. What strikes me is that I no longer feel that I can really take either side. The story presented by the media was basically "this guy was attempting to kill himself and when he had second thoughts his heartless bitch girlfriend demanded that he get back in the car and go through with it, which he did. She killed him". After learning a lot more about the case I'm honestly very surprised that it wasn't that simple. These were two lonely, hurt, suffering, messed-up kids who happened to find each other at a bad time in their lives. They found a kinship, a mutual acceptance and apparent understanding that they couldn't share with anyone else. They were troubled teens in a codependent relationship, she seeming to want nothing more than to make him happy, and he seeming to only want her encouragement and support. This, unfortunately, included the suicide itself. He seemed to pursue and almost even demand her approval, looking to her as the key to finally making it happen. And she seemed to honestly want what was best for him, which in her own twisted way meant going through with the suicide so that he wouldn't be unhappy anymore. The entire case is tragic. I honestly can't in good conscience look at everything I know now and fully support OR condemn either person. This wasn't a saintly boy who was belligerently pushed to end his life by a wicked girl. This was a pair of flawed, manipulative, mentally troubled, emotionally vulnerable teenagers who found happiness with someone just like themselves when what they really needed was help.
There's only one word for all the words you wrote...that word is called "Codependency". That's what their relationship was like 80% of the United States population who are either married or in a relationship. That simply translates into at least 80% of those in a relationship with someone is in a "toxic relationship". Millions of people over centuries have committed suicide because they were deeply depressed and thought of ending their lives as ending their pain. Why should anyone else have to be prosecuted because someone else is depressed and would be solely the one who ultimately makes the decision on their own even in their depressive state of mind to kill themself? No one is to blame for this but the person who takes their own life, taking their own soul. Destroying their own soul. How sad is that?
@@Alec-Al destroying their own soul? ...how does suicide do that? Also, words matter, hence why you can get sued for slander, sooooo, yeah, yelling someone you're in a relationship with to kill themselves is bad & stupid. Being a miner only lessons the sentence like with any other crime, so, cased closed, on to the next social media dramafest bandwagon.
@@straygameplaywalkthroughps6480 You are right, words do matter, so in my opinion, all rap crap artists should stop using the word "nigga" and the word "bitches" in their stupid lyrics.
@@Alec-Al Yeah, most movies & songs are garbage if you study the lyrics or symbolism....addictive emotional brainwashing for profit. With scientific precision by mega corps.
well the texts make it seem like all he talked about was depression and suicide. I don’t think we can blame her. She tried multiple times to get him to change and reverse his life to no avail. The guy even threatens her not to tell anyone about his problems too… He definitely wanted out. He would have done it eventually with or without the girl
Being a teenager is hard because sometimes they don’t know how to deal with relationships, family, friends which all leads to depression. Thank god I grew that phase already.
When I was suicidal and finally opened up to a “friend” he proceeded to tell me “you would’ve done it by now if that were true”. That set me off so i attempted it when I was with him. If he hadn’t physically strong armed me whilst constantly provoking me and telling me I’m not serious enough about it and that’s I’d still do it if I really wanted to while tears were streaming down my face, he would be in prison for involuntary manslaughter. Terrible thing to tell someone who is suicidal. Thankfully that person is no longer in my life.
@@NadiaVenice well i doubt he could get changed for involuntarily manslaughter if he physically tried to stop you, and since he did yay! He/she didn't sign up for that, and if anything you should thank him for saving your life since this person cared enough to stop you. Based on your account that is my opinion. And i stay relaxed...
Regardless of the other comments here, I’ll just say that I’m glad you’re still on this earth. Your life is important no matter what others may say, or how they make you feel at times.
This is one of my biggest fears being a mother. That my son would battle something like this and not tell me and hide it 😞😞😞 I can’t imagine what his parents feel. She has her own issues too. Evil.
It's always good to discuss these things, I went through some similar issues with my teenager a few years ago...... Now I talk more openly about things with my kids. Maybe then if there is something they stress about we will have discussed it and they are more comfortable bringing things up.
His mother knew though. I also don't know why people are painting her as evil but not him after he emotionally and mentally abused her for 2 years and even told her to take her own life. Smh.
I’m so amazed at how people discredit her effort to convince him to go see a psychiatrist, to ask him to get help in the beginning. Something clearly happened before she started to get tired and go along with his plan. Should she had reached out for help for him? Of course. But he clearly had threatened her to not tell anyone about it or he would hurt himself.
@@thedutchmanjaspergrey137 I’m hoping that the movie will not be as biased as the media. That it will provide enough perspective from both sides and so that people can also learn a bit of empathy instead of jumping into conclusions.
Read the messages. For the last two weeks she sent him tons of messages getting angry that he didint kill him slef. It wasn't in ocent of sweet. It was cold.
Thank you to all the people that brought this story to life. We need to do better and support one another friends and family. We all struggle at times but taking your life is not the answer.
Depression is really dangerous, you feel like you are in a big dark tunnel and theres its not an exit. But with the right help you can over come to that sickness. Never be afraid to ask for help to some one and if thats a person who love you and care for you, will be easier. Don't you ever be ashamed, you can overcome this. 🙂🙏
This girl is not innocent. She was rightfully charged of her crimes, she encouraged to do it, and to get back in the car. However, I have been in a relationship like, (on her side). I can say for a fact, and as the psychiatrist said. HE was EMOTIONALLY abusing her, and she could not take it anymore. For 2 years, over 700 days, this guy kept saying he was going to kill himself. He eventually convinced her to agree with him that it was just, and to go through with it. Because she saw no other way to make him happy. You have no idea what it's like for someone you love and care about to threaten suicide. My girlfriend even ended a text to me at 2 a.m. one night with, "Ok, goodbye, I'm gonna end it now". To which I stayed up all night sending multiple texts showing my love and affection for her and begging and pleading her not too. I only put up with it for 4 months, before my mom forced me to break up with her, and sent me to a therapist. Why do people do this? Depression is a cancer of happiness. It eats away at it, and you can't have it for long. You can win an award, graduate from HS, get married. You only get minutes, hours, maybe a few days of happiness before it's all gone. Then your brain is telling you, "you have no reason to live" again. Because of this, people with depression will often do anything to find a way to become happy. The love and affection that she would have been showing him after he threatened it the FIRST time was gratifying. So he continued to do it, and most likely he developed in ADDICTION to this type of behavior. My ex never ended up killing herself, when we broke up she was sending texts like this guy was too me 3-4 times a week. Every time, I'd cry, virtually comfort her, beg and plead her not too. She'd suck all of the light out of me that she could just to make her lamp a little less dim. Thank you for reading this.
It is really exhausting emotional and psychologically... You weren't selfish. You are not a professional, the only thing you can do is recommend them to get help from professionals but if they don't want to, no matter how much you try... There's nothing more you can do. It's on their own hands. And sounds mean what I gonna say, but they become toxic to you. They absorb your energy.
I watched the full documentary last night. I was horrified when I saw the prosecutor's attitude towards her own witnesses in Court. She needs some serious training. You don't lead witnesses evidence like that. It was like she was cross-examining her own witnesses. So grateful for the training I got on secondary victimization. I will never ever treat my own witnesses that way
This story really hurts me. When I was 19 and struggling with severe depression I had a 3 year online relationship with a 19 year old guy similarly struggling. We both started talking a lot about wanting to end it and even discussed a suicide pact. I know just how much words can impact real life choices. When I got scared he was actually going to do something I called his dad out of fear and showed his dad the texts. I broke all of his trust and we broke up. Neither of us ended up harming ourselves though. Even with all that, I could never in a millions years in the worst of my depression imagine harrassing him to do it, especially if he had second thoughts. Ours was more of a "no way out in either of our stories" type of thought. We believed our life together would happen in heaven away from our abusive families. It wasn't like this. ANd I'm still ashamed of both of us for what we said to each other to play off one another's darkest thoughts.
Very Sad, I have suffered from depression for over 40 year's now. While I have not ended my life over the effect's of it, the thought's never really go away, they are always in the background in one way or another, but I have learned over the year's of ways to cope with it better than I did as a youth. I really hope that medical science can find an answer to this horrible condition because as a long time sufferer I would never want to see another person live through this it's very confusing.
haahaa.... from a sexual stand-point I believe he killed himself as the icing on the cake was about how his erected and hairy penis was dismembered while stuck to her face. She was so mad that her decision to urge this depressed boyfriend to kill himself for such damage she'll have to carry on for the rest of her life.
Michelle Carter does not strike me as an evil person. After so long telling him not to commit suicide, she finally broke down and tried to accept his wishes even though she doesn't like them (like a wife who buys her husband cigarettes and has long quit badgering him to quit). It's not like she was equipped to help him. She is a victim too in this tragedy.
Growing in a severely abusive house, suicide ideation was my reality daily , my solitude was dismissed as being shy , unable to make connections with girls my age. Abuse trauma is a lifetime affliction called PTSD. Daily suicide thoughts remained inacted even now, requires too much angst to go through with it I think , nobody to prod me into it like this evil girl did.
@@megb7758 i still am a solitary person. Early on , I've decided that to become independent, and be SELF SUFFICIENT was to gain some degree of success. I burned bridges with family and relatives. One renowned philosopher said that " Not needing friends and enjoying your own company or solitude is because you have a lot of experience. It means in a way that, lots of interaction with people have given you wisdom to protect yourself from them , only trust yourself . Only you can love yourself. Love thyself . I only need myself . I tried to stay connected to family but the dysfunction is pervasive. One younger brother screamed at me " YOU DON'T HAVE FRIENDS " when we had a disagreement . No need to qualify that with an answer, he's incapable of deep thought as all mean people are. What does it take to be KIND?
She legit could've stopped talking to him at anytime. That's the beauty of technology now a days. She could've blocked him at anytime but she liked it. Don't try to place all the blame on the the dude, it's a 2 way street she just as responsible for him taking his life.
Doesn't make sense at all why they didn't meet up more times. If you're about to die... why wouldn't u atleast go drive up to see your girlfriend and say bye ? Sounds like he wanted to die all along and just used her as a toy to talk to.
He was so beautiful if we only knew our value how truly precious and what a gift living life is. Yes my life personally is hard but i thank God for it. I pray we all find that peace
One of the saddest stories I have ever heard of. Sooo sad he needed help but Michelle pressured him to get back in the pick up. Just awful. He had so much life to live. He needed validation and encouragement. In this instance, the secretive world of social media can be a place to hide pain and grief, to where no one else can help because this outlet is disguising the severity of the problems to outsiders who have no idea what’s really happening. I wish Michelle could have stuck with her original position to help him.
I doubt it the guy tired to end his life more than once. She even told him not to for years and he wouldn’t stop saying he wanted to. He’s just as much to blame as her. Also wtf was his mother doing! Was she that clueless that she didn’t see the sign her son wasn’t doing well?
I feel bad for the girl. He harassed her about this for over 2 years. She isn’t his damn therapist, and the fact that she tried talking him out of it for several years says it all. Unfortunately she got fed up with it and snapped. It’s like that South Park episode, when the kid does exactly this and the counselor gets fed up and says “just fucking do it already” crazy how a cartoon could depict something so accurately
These children are from where I live. Sadly they are so young they don’t know that these feelings and mixed up emotions…. often work out and change so dramatically as we get older. Depression is real. And it needs to be shared talked about treated and brought into the light to help someone suffering. Depression left to suffer alone will crush the soul. I feel so sad for this poor young man. Watching his video diary brought tears to my eyes.
L B. Lmao no she didn’t “knew” you mean know. And it’s “You” not u. If you are going to tell someone learn to write you might want to know how to write first. I made a damn typo. And she clearly knew what she was doing. She is not mentally unstable. Sorry to tell you.
She told him to get help he told her no and she's not to tell anyone. She respected that and then ever time he brought it up she said just doit then. Perfectly legitimate
@@n.w.owhoknowstheshadowknow58 Just because she told him to get help doesn’t mean she actually meant it, maybe she was only telling him what he wanted to hear, I mean at the end of the day if she really cared about he she wouldn’t have encouraged him to take his own life in the first place.
@@niimariee9803 there comes a time dealing with this kind of thing when you stop believing the person because there using it as threat to get attention. I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for this guy I feel sorry for his parents and the girl because there the ones who are suffering as a result of his actions. IV had a friend who's father used suicide as weapon against him by blowing his head of in front of him. My friend later took his own life without a word to anyone.
@@n.w.owhoknowstheshadowknow58 Yes him taking his own life may have been a bit selfish but that doesn’t mean justify her actions either because any real person wouldn’t convince their significant other to take their own life no matter what the case is, if she felt like it was too much or couldn’t handle it then she should’ve cut things off to begin with.. i, myself feel very sorry for him because i also struggle with anxiety & depression and it’s really hard to explain how to feel to anybody, it’s like the whole world is against you and there’s nothing to do to help you, there’s like this great feeling of sadness.. and i wish i would’ve known about this i would’ve tried helping him but during the time i was really young & didn’t even know about depression 😂, he would’ve still been here today if only he didn’t make that call.
@@niimariee9803 I ain't saying she's nice, but since when are you obligated to help people if you decide you don't wish to I don't see it as crime that is all. Is it morally wrong, of course it is
@@cassinihuygens72 There was no proof at all that she texted that, that was something her friend had said she said, no proof of it at all. He was responsable for his life.
HE was EMOTIONALLY abusing her, and she could not take it anymore. For 2 years, over 700 days, this guy kept saying he was going to kill himself. He eventually convinced her to agree with him that it was just, and to go through with it. Because she saw no other way to make him happy.
@@mchoo.8521 People need to learn what the term emotionally abusive is. How can you condemn him for leaning emotionally on a girl that he trusted and loved, it’s clear that he has had serious mental health issues far before meeting her BUT she didn’t just get fed up or say “just do it” she gave him IDEAS, she texted him numerous times pressuring him to do it, she made him feel like it NEEDED to be done. If it was too much for her emotionally even though she “loved him” she could have went to an adult, told his parents, told a friend, or did ANYTHING but egg him on. This falls into the category of bullying, if it were the other way around or if she wasn’t considered his girlfriend at one point, absolutely nobody would be defending her actions or reasoning with her texts to him. While she is not fully responsible for his actions, she is somewhat responsible for provoking a very depressed and emotionally unstable boy to take his life on numerous occasions. If it were the other way around people would never make excuses for him. Depression and anxiety is VALID even for men. I have bipolar disorder and go through extreme lows where I experience suicidal thoughts and I could not imagine where I would be if my BOYFRIEND encouraged and pressured me to take my life during that time. You people defending her only seem to have empathy for emotionally unstable women but not men. Sad.
I had a ex bf who would always threaten to take his own life 24/7 at first the few times he did this I would ofc try my best to reason w him or distract his thoughts I too had my own struggles growing up w/BPD and PTSD aren’t easy dealing w growing up after seeking therapy for my own issues I remember my therapist telling me that I was being verbally and possibly emotionally abused and I was also very young at the time so it was hard to kinda wrap my head around as a teen I think what Michelle Did was awful but She needed and still need a lot of help too and may Connor rest well ❤️
Very interesting case, has a lot of hard questions to ask from a logical standpoint, of course, many people at home act only on emotion and not logic and so they don't understand why this case is not cut and dry.
Agreed! No doubt her deed was evil, but what about him? But he was feeble minded to say the least. It takes two to tango, he surely wasn't an unwilling dancer. The way i see it (as cold as it sounds), this was a crasy tragedy that was played out by TWO selfish self-entered, attention-grabbing drama queens.
@@TheXmeimei depression isn't something people just pretend to have.It is very serious.And when you are in his place,you won't even care about how others would feel and you would just want to end the numbness.
teens, especially, need to be taught to seek help if they have thoughts of death or suicide....it is not a shameful thing to seek help, and thousands of people suffer from it.
I struggle with depression and anxiety myself and I feel for this girl. I would get overwhelmed having to constantly talk someone out of suicide. Especially being in a depression myself like she was. After so long of helping him emotionally and continually talking him out of suicide after so long she was probably like "fuck it if you're going to do it, do it. I can't keep saving you." And on top of all that she was dealing with the same thing he was (depression) so she wasn't even in a good enough emotional state to be helping him with what she herself was also struggling with. I don't think she should be locked for a decision he ultimately made on his own. She didn't make him take his own life. It's not like she murdered him.
She still instigated him nonetheless. I've been through it. I've taken anti depressants, hospitalised 2 times for suicide attempts. I will never in my LIFE instigate someone to kill themselves. Ever. Even Trump. This girl deserves whatever she has coming her way
He confided in her for help and she provoked him to end his life. It was even said he tried stepping out of the car to prevent his death, and she urged him back inside.
He wasn't a kid. He was suicidal. He said nothing could save him. Even then she was guilty. She served her time. Let her live. For all saying she deserved more time, she doesn't.
@The Senatei don't care what you think of me, i seen miracles with my eyes, i used to be like you, but i pray that one day you'll open your eyes too and see these principalitys around us.
This is heart breaking. My 17-year old self can so relate to the thoughts and things Conrad was saying before he passed. This is so much more complicated than Michelle incited him, or failed to prevent him, as much as that can be hard to fathom. They were bonded through suicide ideation...the text messages they sent between one another are not shocking to me at all...it can be an almost short hand way of communicating when you meet someone who suffers in the same way as you...they seemed pretty on par for two teenagers who were struggling with their mental health issues...and kind of trauma bonding.
Those videos of him talking about his depression were very hard to watch. I can’t imagine how his family felt watching them. Once someone with depression all of the sudden seems really happy, it’s a red flag and they need help.
seeing this is complicated, my crush is depressed and has a lot of problems with himself, we don't talk at the moment because he's mad at me, but i care about him so much and i don't want him to end up killing himself, i really like him and wanted help him..he is important to me and not only because we have known each other for 6 years and we went to the same school until seventh grade, but also because he makes me feel good but there are some attitudes of his that make me feel bad, but I didn't give up on him and I won't give up on him, i really want to help him...and i hope he trusts me.
In 2012 she encouraged him not to kilk himself and she tried so hard. Same thing happens 2 years later (only until October 2014 when she clearly tired and texting things as in the part 2) but like all that time? One would be so tired hearing things like "Im gonna kill myself tonight" "I want to die" "I will do it" over and over and over again but eventually they didnt do it. Its not the meaning of sentences but the repetition of them made her go crazy. So Her texts are quite easy to understand. From the beginning he appeared to be more obsessed with death and suicidal thoughts. He made both suffer with the idea that. Romeo and Juliet?? Michelle was like NO WE RE NOT LIKE THAT. WE ARE NOT GONNA DIE. Apparently both have mental illness but Michelle seems to be more stable. U have to look the whole case. Was a tragedy afterall
His mother knew, and his mother did nothing. She didn't monitor his phone, his online history, she didn't get him help. No one mentions the mother? It's sickening. And then, Michelle, who fought for him to live, encouraged him to get help, told him she didn't want him to die, eventually, gave into him pressuring her and surrounding her in his triangle of darkness, he was verbally abusive and emotionally manipulating her, because of how suicidal he was, pressuring her, he even wanted her to suicide with him. She's not some evil criminal. They spoke about nightmares, seeing the devil. They were NOT sane. They were drugged up teenagers. Depression is serious. It's a tragic story and I feel for them both.
Exactly. This reminds me of my first relationship in some ways just the constant bombardment. It eventually grew to him abusing me and sexually assaulting me. I never told him to kill himself or anything like that ofc but there were times I just had to tell him straight up “I’m not emotionally available to help you. You need outside help” he refused. At that point there’s not much more you can do. Abuse pushes ppl to do crazy things and often we sympathize with victims killing their abusers and I think this was a similar situation here. Obviously both teens had problems and ideally they would’ve split and gotten help, but this isn’t the work of an evil mastermind and more so the effects of mental health issues.
I don’t know much about this story, but I have had a few people throughout my life come to me and say they were suicidal/wanted to self harm. I had no idea what to do. I tried to just tell them that they could get through it, not to do it, and that people care about them. I feel like a good thing to do would also be to make effort for them, in retrospect. I was kinda stuck not being able to do much in middle school and high school, but now I feel like if you have a friend who is suicidal or depressed, make time and effort for them. Their depression won’t go away over night, but give them a reason to want to live. Help prove the thoughts in their head wrong by caring about them. Maybe bring them along to events you are doing to/help them find new hobbies or a pet or something. This is case by case, of course. When I was depressed, I just lost all my friends lol luckily, I got to go to counseling, but most of my mental work was alone. … well, if I’m being honest, I primarily got out of it with my faith.
Heartbreaking. Nobody should feel alone, nobody should feel like death is the answer. I have been there. My sons father pushed me to attempt suicide and would laugh about it
I kinda agree with that doctor she most likely got tired of the “care giver/ mediator” role so she felt doing what she did was the easiest way to “get rid” off him it’s a sad situation all around I hope she never does something like this again
this girl is a sicko and deserves much longer than she got. What a heartless piece of garbage to contact his family after she helped kill him asking for ashes etc. She is nuts and a danger to others
Finally someone with some sense. These comments excusing her behavior are completely NUTS!! I bet everyone who makes an excuse for her would be singing a whole different tune if it were their child, parent, sibling, or other loved one in place of Conrad. Yes he was depressed, yes he attempted suicide before BUT the text messages speak volumes on the fact that he was having serious second thoughts about going thru with it. IMO, he would not have committed suicide, at least not that day, had it not been for her. She’s disgusting. She’s EVIL! She should have gotten at least 10-12 years.
He needed help. If she loved him she should have talked to his family and gotten him help. Not told him to do it! Horrible girl. I had a friend who wanted to die. Asked me to help him get his affairs in order and I refused to help him commit suicide. Lots of times he would get mad at me for not supporting his choice to do it. I would stay on the phone with him for hours making sure he didn’t do anything. Now he is alive with a beautiful girlfriend and a job. I hope he is happy and doesn’t hate me.
If you look at things out of her perspective she was in a really hard situation. What people don’t consider is that she most likely had borderline and what that meant. Borderline makes it extremly hard to separate from people, he said he would hate her if she told anyone so he would get help, hence that was not an option. After years of trying to encourage him not to take is life and it not having any effect she probably realized that if he really really wants to die, maybe that would be the best thing for him, if it will make him find peace (for some people death can actually be the best opinion, not saying that it was necessarly in this case tho). Obviously it was wrong and irrational of her to do what she did. But she is not a monster. Yes she fucked up, but if you can atleast try to emphasize with her perspective the situation is not black nor white but grey, as it almost always is.
Regina Filangi yes if she was a regular person that would be logical but as i stated above people with borderline find it extremly hard to separate from people.
Yeah she fucked up and killed someone. You're literally siding with someone who encouraged someone to kill themselves. Telling them to get back in the truck and die. I sure hope no one ever does this to your kid or someone you love. You're supposed to help the people you love, not assist in their death at 18 years old. The dude was going through a tough time and would of been okay as time went on. But no he met a monster who helped him die
Mmmm interesting. I never realised that she did actually try to help him. I’m not justifying what she did but when you’re mentally unstable yourself and after two years of saying he’s going to do it she probably just wanted it to end.
If she wanted it to end she should’ve left him. And if you read the texts, she was encouraging him to take his life and later on talking about how his death would make her famous online. I’m so disgusted and horrified by these comments.
t was all Conrad in this. He was the one who manipulated her into helping him. It amazes me how almost no one takes into consideration that she tried to talk him out of it for over a year. He was unstable, manipulative and verbally abusive (you all saw his F-U texts). He cornered her in saying "You can't tell anyone or I will hate you". I believe if she had went to the police, social services or his parents, it would have just motivated him till kill himself even more and then he would have blamed her. I think some kind "If you say something, I'll kill myself and then it's on you" kind of mentality going on Then he even tried to steer her into killing herself as well. He said "We're going to be like Romeo and Juliet" "you know how that ended right?" I think he really had a grip on her and she felt like eventually he's going to wear her down and she pushed him to do it just to be free of him. He was a poison as was his family. His father beat him and what was that about with the mother acting so surprised like: "I could never imagine he'd kill himself", when she knew at least one occasion where he tried to swallow alot of pills. Still feel sorry for the parents though, I don't mean they deserve it or anything. Of course it was possible for her to defend herself and get out of it without him dying, but she was only 17 and had psychological problems of her own. I hope she's doing alright. She's a beautiful woman and deserves to move forward in life.
What? I’m pretty sure there’s proof she told him to do it and I believe said that his family would simply get over it. What she did isn’t ok. She should have broke up with him and got him actual help, not encourage it
Go rescue her king. Go give her the love that queen she deserves. She’s waiting for you, go sweep her up off her feet and have a beautiful, totally healthy family. You fucking loser.
They lived an hour away from each other and only had a texting relationship she couldn’t be mentally abused. It’s a simple block his life isn’t her responsibility so she shouldn’t have made ending his life her mission.
YES. Chilling how she excels at manipulating seeing at certain times I start putting myself in her position and start to rationalize for her. Than I snap out of it, like I just can’t.
This girl is not innocent. She was rightfully charged of her crimes, she encouraged to do it, and to get back in the car. However, I have been in a relationship like, (on her side). I can say for a fact, and as the psychiatrist said. HE was EMOTIONALLY abusing her, and she could not take it anymore. For 2 years, over 700 days, this guy kept saying he was going to kill himself. He eventually convinced her to agree with him that it was just, and to go through with it. Because she saw no other way to make him happy. You have no idea what it's like for someone you love and care about to threaten suicide. My girlfriend even ended a text to me at 2 a.m. one night with, "Ok, goodbye, I'm gonna end it now". To which I stayed up all night sending multiple texts showing my love and affection for her and begging and pleading her not too. I only put up with it for 4 months, before my mom forced me to break up with her, and sent me to a therapist. Why do people do this? Depression is a cancer of happiness. It eats away at it, and you can't have it for long. You can win an award, graduate from HS, get married. You only get minutes, hours, maybe a few days of happiness before it's all gone. Then your brain is telling you, "you have no reason to live" again. Because of this, people with depression will often do anything to find a way to become happy. The love and affection that she would have been showing him after he threatened it the FIRST time was gratifying. So he continued to do it, and most likely he developed in ADDICTION to this type of behavior. My ex never ended up killing herself, when we broke up she was sending texts like this guy was too me 3-4 times a week. Every time, I'd cry, virtually comfort her, beg and plead her not too. She'd suck all of the light out of me that she could just to make her lamp a little less dim. Thank you for reading this.
I know someone who fought w his gf alot always said he would kill himself one argument on phone he said it she said go ahead and he shot himself in the head while on the phone w her nothing happened to her this was early 90's
Bless your sweet soul conrad.none of this should of happened .I cannot condone what she done to you.beyond evil. rest in peace .know that justice is served ...even if it's not as long as we hoped💔
As a parent, I can not say what I would do, bc there are so many different stages of grieving, I would not be an adult at first, I can guarantee that I'd want to hurt someone.
Salem Mojo You can find help. It’s out there, just learn to live in the moment. Thinking about the past and the future will just hurt or torture you. You will make it through.
@@superstone13 All what life has is sickness death wars to much food no food money problems bad ugly friends am still trying to find the good in this freekin world.
It’s crazy how kids will drive themselves to this when they have more than 2/3 of the world. Just get someone who can actually talk to you and help you feel better, get some goals, appreciate little things in yo life more.
He clearly had mental health issues but wanted to live, she encouraged him to die. I don’t know about mental health but she appears to be a narcissistic psychopath - she pushed and pushed him to commit suicide then drew attention to herself after he was gone.
Saskia she wanted Conrad to live. Conrad wanted to die and kept repeating it to Michelle. Michelle encouraged him to live for two years until she couldn't handle it anymore. She had depression as well. Conrad still said he wanted to die. Michelle asked if he was sure and Conrad constantly said he was sure
Toxic Pixel have you followed this story at all? There are countless texts encouraging him to kill himself - that’s why she was sentenced, even if the sentence is a joke. Someone who pushed and pushed someone to commit suicide in a campaign lasting months never cared for that persons well-being. It’s insane to me that any sane person can claim to rationalise this.
Saskia what are u on about lady? It was clearly shown this girl was trying her best to get him to stop but wouldn't listen she finally got tired of the b.s. cuz suicidal people don't see how much thier depression can affect thier loved ones also I feel like she just finally snapped and went crazy I feel for both of them me suffering with depression I kinda understand where that kid was mentally some of us keep fighting but some just can't f8ght on forever
i honestly feel bad for her lmao. i know what it’s like to deal with someone like that and be made to feel like you have a responsibility to keep them alive and constantly be in immediate contact with them. it’s beyond exhausting and greatly adds on to the already existing anxieties of everyday life. at such a young age, too. she became fed up with it after years and probably thought something like “how about you stop talking about it and actually do something about it since nothing anyone tries to do is helping you.” i don’t think she should’ve gone to prison. she needed mental help yes, but conrad was uhhhh questionable to say the least. he refused to get help and put the pressure of his entire life on this already mentally ill girl that he met like twice.
Right so if someone is annoying you about killing themselves, screw trying to get them help just tell them to kill theirself right? Wow so exhausting having someone talking about killing themselves, just do it already. (By your logic) you're a shitty person just like her.
@@amandam4714 i probably wouldn’t feel the same and i understand his parents need to blame someone other than their son for his death to cope. he was constantly talking about how he was going to kill and refused to get help, and threatened cutting contact if she told anyone.
That doesn’t mean you get to pester him to suicide lol. Big difference between disengaging from the relationship and actively egging someone’s suicide. The latter is criminally liable
Depression is very dangerous. He didn't get enough help to cope with
it. She wasn't mentaly stable either. Sad story.
depression is often unnoticed by parents, friends, and others around you. People that are depressed are really good at hiding it. Someone could be really hurting on the inside and you may have no clue at all. This is why it can be hard to intervene. This is also why we need to be having these discussions with all people everywhere. You never know who may be going through it and even the smallest of gestures can save a life.
i don't know if i understand your question? If you mean who helped him, my answer is no one, no one helped him. It was clear that the girlfriend should have told his parents that he was talking about killing himself, and she didn't.
Sawyer Barnes Youre a child.
Why force someone to their death..so evil
Kacey Boston I saw a video of the text messages and she was encouraging him to do it!! That’s just sick! I can’t think of anyone on their right mind to encourage someone you are suppose to love to commit suicide.
I’m not writing this to get attention! This really happened!
When I was in middle school, I was friends with a girl who was always being teased and bullied by a lot of people (even high schoolers which is sad).We were sitting on the bus heading to school and she started crying. I asked her what was wrong and she told me that she was going to commit suicide in the girls bathroom. I told her not to do it and told her that her family loved her and would be broken if she did it.. She didn’t budge. She asked me to promise her that I wouldn’t say anything to anybody. I lied to her and told her I wouldn’t but I knew I had to tell someone right away before she would hurt herself. When we got to school, I ran all the way to the counselors office and told her what the girl told me. I told her that she had to hurry and find her before it was too late. I started hyperventilating and crying because I was scared . The principal came and took me to the nurse’s office while my counselor went to find the girl. All the teachers went to find her too. They eventually found her and she was took to the hospital. I don’t think she hurt herself but they took her anyways. I remember I saw her a year later and told her I was glad to see her. She started crying and told me that she was happy to be alive and thanked me for saving her life. I’m glad I told somebody because if I didn’t, I would feel guilty the rest of my life.
This really happened and I would never make up a story to get attention. Suicide is not a joking matter and neither is depression.
you’re amazing. that was amazing of you
@Memcha Laishram similar?? Not really. Totally different storys.
@Memcha Laishram Yeah, im sure you tellin the truth. But the storys NOT SIMILAR. The commentator had saved the girl. You just hear from it.
@Michaels amazing videos yo WTF?
Michaels amazing videos One word: Columbine.
I went through something similar with my boyfriend when we started dating, he was depressed and suicidal, he would call me at 3 am to talk about how he just wants to end his pain, I wasn't in the right place either, had an eating disorder, depression and long history of anxiety and sometimes those conversations can be overwhelming and just puts you in the worst state of mind, but I stayed by his side and did everything in my power to help even when I needed help too and wasn't that strong. What i'm trying to say is that they both were toxic to each other because no one could've been able to help the other because this kind of trauma needs someone strong enough and professional, also someone close to you who dealt with this kind of pain before to stay by your side and show support.
This reminds me of my ex and I. She claims I stopped her from ending her life. We’re on no contact now because of mistakes she made but it makes me worry that she’s gonna end it all and I’m not gonna know she did it.
@@addisonlyons2003 i hope everything’s ok
Everything you said...me too. Same things basically.
@@ellacorrinejowers2217 believe it or not I’m back with her again and I’m going through the process of trying to forgive her for her choices. Thank you for caring 🙏
@@addisonlyons2003 not so sure that's a good idea bud. You need to make sure you don't let anything weigh you down either. Make sure you let her family know please 🙏
that video has a very misleading information.
they left out the text messages from when he was in the truck and she really urged him to kill himself. in this video it seems she wanted to help him but reality showed it's another case
tomas be i disagree with u.she was just 17 years old (in my country that means minor) and she was under antidepressands and other mental issues. she tried to warn him.the only thing she wanted was him out of pain. and insisting in telling him not to do it wouldnt make a difference. he would probably do it alone. its wrong for me to punish a girl who knew him so little and she was going through the same shit and not his family who led him to that point from the beggining. in my opinion a parent who didnt understand about his child depression and suicidal thoughts and not giving him the necessary help should blame no one but himself. children dont get born with mental issues. the family creates them.
it doesn't mean a gd thing that she urged him, he is responsible for his fuckn actions, I don't care what she said, he was big boy, if he couldn't cope, then prosecute his fuckn family you jackass
She was getting this kind of messages all the fucking time over years from him and he never did it. Probably she doesn't believe him, probably she was sick of it and doesn't know some other way out of all this drama. No one really knows. But if you get from the age of 15 to the age of 17 this kind of drama messages all the time, you would probably do the same when you have this kind of thinkings for your own. She met him 2 times in real life... that's nothing. 2.5 years are more than enough and i hope she gets help for her own problems. Probably he will be dead earlier when she doesn't stop him over the 2 years. Nobody knows that...
Sascha Funke She could’ve just blocked him. I think his life was worth more than the frustration of her “doubt” in this scenario. Yes, I understand the drama aspect of it but like you said, they met twice, she could’ve just blocked him if that was “nothing” - instead of encouraging him to take his own life.
This is part 1 and they show all of her texts in part 2
Sounds like he had issues looooong before he met this girl. She said just enough to push him over the edge. Shameful.
Breakup as simple as that. Not drive someone to suicide or kill themself!
@@priyamathias1762 Chick is fucking nuts herself, probably a borderline personality, constant need for attention, put a man on a pedestal one day, knock him off the next, then apologize when you think you've pushed him too far, then tell him he is worthless, repeat.
She literally FORCED him to do it
Dude was depressed already then she encouraged him to commit suicide
that's fucked up for reals
straight icing on da cake goes wrong
whether her headstache was helping him
or she found a better CONG
She messaged him about a 1000 times the day he died telling him to do it. There was no talking him out of it at all. More like irritation that he hadn’t done it yet
And? After what happened to Gabby Petito and many other women, maybe we should flip the script.
@@TheCc064 that’s completely unrelated to this
@@smarie4233 right wtf is she talking bout
@@TheCc064 So because men killed Gabby Petito and others, it’s ok and possibly a good thing that this man was encouraged to, and then successfully killed himself by the hand of a woman???? Wow, you’re just an actual piece of trash!
@@TheCc064 That's retarded
Is it just me or Conrads aunt looks like an old Britney Spears?
Lucas Marques 😂 yes but she not cute like Britney
Lucas Marques me 2
lol was jus thinking that and scrolled too see if anyone mention it
Lucas Marques I knew it wasn’t just me lol. I had to come in search for someone that thought the same.
What the hell does that have to do with anything
I just finished watching the HBO documentary about this case. It turned out to be MUCH more complicated than I thought. Not only was Conrad deeply suicidal before meeting Michelle, Michelle spent the majority of their relationship trying to be emotionally supportive and urging him to get help. At the same time, Conrad had a habit of telling her that he was going to kill himself, that she wouldn't hear from him again, only to then contact her later saying that he changed his mind and starting the cycle over again. Additionally, text evidence shows that Conrad told Michelle that he would only ever hate her if she revealed his plan to kill himself to anybody else. Michelle, for her part, had the same depression diagnosis (and even the same medication) that Conrad had and demonstrated a pattern of deep loneliness and neediness for many years, apparently finding her own sense of love and acceptance once she'd found Conrad.
On the other hand, Michelle was also proven to have been an emotional manipulator and seemingly impulsive liar, telling her friends so many contradictory things that some of them expressed suspicion and trouble believing some of the things that she said. She was also lying to them, as well as Conrad's family, even while simultaneously (as in literally, back and forth in the same moments) texting to Conrad about the details of how he'd kill himself and even after he ultimately did so. After his death, she seemed happy and made a number of comments directing attention to herself, particularly with regards to a baseball tournament that she arranged in his honor, which she set up in her own town. At her trial, multiple people that were described as her friends testified that beyond school or sport activities, as well as occasional texting, they didn't consider themselves to be especially close to her.
Then, lastly, there's the legal aspect of the case. Many people were, and still are, under the impression that after Conrad exited his truck to escape his suicide attempt she texted him with the demand to get back in. I believed this as well. It turns out that there is actually no verifiable evidence of this. All that exists is a text from Michelle to one of her friends, several months after the incident, in which she claimed that she said this to Conrad when she called him during his attempt. A record of two calls exists, but no recording. No one but Michelle knows what was actually said. In other words, she wasn't even found guilty for urging Conrad to get back into his truck, the single specific incident that the judge found her guilty for. Instead she was found guilty because she told a friend that she did. Not only is there no evidence that she actually DID tell Conrad this, who's to say that her comment to her friend was even true?
I'm not trying to take her side. What strikes me is that I no longer feel that I can really take either side. The story presented by the media was basically "this guy was attempting to kill himself and when he had second thoughts his heartless bitch girlfriend demanded that he get back in the car and go through with it, which he did. She killed him". After learning a lot more about the case I'm honestly very surprised that it wasn't that simple. These were two lonely, hurt, suffering, messed-up kids who happened to find each other at a bad time in their lives. They found a kinship, a mutual acceptance and apparent understanding that they couldn't share with anyone else. They were troubled teens in a codependent relationship, she seeming to want nothing more than to make him happy, and he seeming to only want her encouragement and support. This, unfortunately, included the suicide itself. He seemed to pursue and almost even demand her approval, looking to her as the key to finally making it happen. And she seemed to honestly want what was best for him, which in her own twisted way meant going through with the suicide so that he wouldn't be unhappy anymore.
The entire case is tragic. I honestly can't in good conscience look at everything I know now and fully support OR condemn either person. This wasn't a saintly boy who was belligerently pushed to end his life by a wicked girl. This was a pair of flawed, manipulative, mentally troubled, emotionally vulnerable teenagers who found happiness with someone just like themselves when what they really needed was help.
There's only one word for all the words you wrote...that word is called "Codependency". That's what their relationship was like 80% of the United States population who are either married or in a relationship. That simply translates into at least 80% of those in a relationship with someone is in a "toxic relationship". Millions of people over centuries have committed suicide because they were deeply depressed and thought of ending their lives as ending their pain. Why should anyone else have to be prosecuted because someone else is depressed and would be solely the one who ultimately makes the decision on their own even in their depressive state of mind to kill themself? No one is to blame for this but the person who takes their own life, taking their own soul. Destroying their own soul. How sad is that?
@@Alec-Al They were very much codependent enablers.
@@Alec-Al destroying their own soul? ...how does suicide do that?
Also, words matter, hence why you can get sued for slander, sooooo, yeah, yelling someone you're in a relationship with to kill themselves is bad & stupid.
Being a miner only lessons the sentence like with any other crime, so, cased closed, on to the next social media dramafest bandwagon.
@@straygameplaywalkthroughps6480 You are right, words do matter, so in my opinion, all rap crap artists should stop using the word "nigga" and the word "bitches" in their stupid lyrics.
@@Alec-Al Yeah, most movies & songs are garbage if you study the lyrics or symbolism....addictive emotional brainwashing for profit. With scientific precision by mega corps.
well the texts make it seem like all he talked about was depression and suicide. I don’t think we can blame her. She tried multiple times to get him to change and reverse his life to no avail. The guy even threatens her not to tell anyone about his problems too…
He definitely wanted out. He would have done it eventually with or without the girl
"I wish I had a gun"
*_"WoUlD yOu uSE iT?"_*
Which school u go too?
not sure. she could be that bat shit crazy as to think that she was helping him, and all the world did not understand.
Danio Antonio weirdon
@@viverntahl2541 oh plz stop defending criminals
@@anjanalimbu8840 I do not, I just know crazy when I see it, these two were not of healthy mind.
Being a teenager is hard because sometimes they don’t know how to deal with relationships, family, friends which all leads to depression. Thank god I grew that phase already.
Depression isn’t a phase 😐 it’s a disease
My god
When I was suicidal and finally opened up to a “friend” he proceeded to tell me “you would’ve done it by now if that were true”. That set me off so i attempted it when I was with him. If he hadn’t physically strong armed me whilst constantly provoking me and telling me I’m not serious enough about it and that’s I’d still do it if I really wanted to while tears were streaming down my face, he would be in prison for involuntary manslaughter. Terrible thing to tell someone who is suicidal. Thankfully that person is no longer in my life.
Thats not involuntary manslaughter. He said you were cap.. thats not the same as encouragement
@@rustynales6610 if you were there you’d realize it would’ve definitely been classified as that. But you weren’t so imma need you to relax
@@NadiaVenice well i doubt he could get changed for involuntarily manslaughter if he physically tried to stop you, and since he did yay! He/she didn't sign up for that, and if anything you should thank him for saving your life since this person cared enough to stop you. Based on your account that is my opinion. And i stay relaxed...
Regardless of the other comments here, I’ll just say that I’m glad you’re still on this earth. Your life is important no matter what others may say, or how they make you feel at times.
@@rustynales6610 If he truly cared he wouldn't have said those things.
im jobless and suffering depression too but i never think of suicide, i still have to find a way to pay my insurance :'(
what a tough life
Tiwi Tiwi no worries, pray and think positive at all times. God rewards the ones who seek him. try it out, it won’t hurt to pray.
I hope it gets better for you dude
Mr R bruh you make me cringe
Good luck man, its going to get better, youll get through it
@@cocklet695 What a teen, you can't handle someone being religious? Go watch Richard Dawkins and eat some ice cream you'll feel better.
This is one of my biggest fears being a mother. That my son would battle something like this and not tell me and hide it 😞😞😞 I can’t imagine what his parents feel.
She has her own issues too. Evil.
It's always good to discuss these things, I went through some similar issues with my teenager a few years ago...... Now I talk more openly about things with my kids. Maybe then if there is something they stress about we will have discussed it and they are more comfortable bringing things up.
Miss, you just make sure you ask him. Please don't ignore it as a "teen thing". I owe my life to my mum. :')
His mother knew though. I also don't know why people are painting her as evil but not him after he emotionally and mentally abused her for 2 years and even told her to take her own life. Smh.
@@one-day-at-a-time4134 what does your comment have to do with my personal fear? Tf.
@@Moniquegarnica Because his mother did know that he wasn't well. It wasn't hidden.
I’m so amazed at how people discredit her effort to convince him to go see a psychiatrist, to ask him to get help in the beginning. Something clearly happened before she started to get tired and go along with his plan. Should she had reached out for help for him? Of course. But he clearly had threatened her to not tell anyone about it or he would hurt himself.
That’s my issue she spent years trying to help him. He made a choice and they wanted to blame her for his choice
@@thedutchmanjaspergrey137 I’m hoping that the movie will not be as biased as the media. That it will provide enough perspective from both sides and so that people can also learn a bit of empathy instead of jumping into conclusions.
the moment he stepped out of that car scared for his life and she convinced him to go back in shows how truly evil she is. She is not a victim
The thing is she was asked by him to be his juliet. To die with him. If he had made her do it he would of been portrayed as a bad guy not a victim.
I think she only said it as a joke or like in a romantic way and she said later they aren't going to die so...
Read the messages. For the last two weeks she sent him tons of messages getting angry that he didint kill him slef. It wasn't in ocent of sweet. It was cold.
Thank you to all the people that brought this story to life. We need to do better and support one another friends and family. We all struggle at times but taking your life is not the answer.
Depression is really dangerous, you feel like you are in a big dark tunnel and theres its not an exit.
But with the right help you can over come to that sickness.
Never be afraid to ask for help to some one and if thats a person who love you and care for you, will be easier.
Don't you ever be ashamed, you can overcome this.
🙂🙏
I had a bf like this but as selfish as it sounds I had to get away from him. Wasn’t good for me either
yeah its fine to break up with someone you're not happy being with but she felt out telled him to kill himself which no ones should ever do.
This girl is not innocent. She was rightfully charged of her crimes, she encouraged to do it, and to get back in the car.
However, I have been in a relationship like, (on her side). I can say for a fact, and as the psychiatrist said.
HE was EMOTIONALLY abusing her, and she could not take it anymore. For 2 years, over 700 days, this guy kept saying he was going to kill himself. He eventually convinced her to agree with him that it was just, and to go through with it. Because she saw no other way to make him happy. You have no idea what it's like for someone you love and care about to threaten suicide. My girlfriend even ended a text to me at 2 a.m. one night with, "Ok, goodbye, I'm gonna end it now". To which I stayed up all night sending multiple texts showing my love and affection for her and begging and pleading her not too. I only put up with it for 4 months, before my mom forced me to break up with her, and sent me to a therapist.
Why do people do this? Depression is a cancer of happiness. It eats away at it, and you can't have it for long. You can win an award, graduate from HS, get married. You only get minutes, hours, maybe a few days of happiness before it's all gone. Then your brain is telling you, "you have no reason to live" again. Because of this, people with depression will often do anything to find a way to become happy.
The love and affection that she would have been showing him after he threatened it the FIRST time was gratifying. So he continued to do it, and most likely he developed in ADDICTION to this type of behavior.
My ex never ended up killing herself, when we broke up she was sending texts like this guy was too me 3-4 times a week. Every time, I'd cry, virtually comfort her, beg and plead her not too. She'd suck all of the light out of me that she could just to make her lamp a little less dim.
Thank you for reading this.
It’s not selfish. You are entitled to being safe and healthy.
It is really exhausting emotional and psychologically... You weren't selfish. You are not a professional, the only thing you can do is recommend them to get help from professionals but if they don't want to, no matter how much you try... There's nothing more you can do. It's on their own hands. And sounds mean what I gonna say, but they become toxic to you. They absorb your energy.
well the girl is actually the one who wanted him to die
All "WORDS" can bless or curse ... chose to bless, please. 🙏
Kathy Valentine I really like what you said “choose to bless” I really love that, so sad to see people not realizing how much power there words hold.
Truth
Amen...
Heinous!!!! she's evil she found enjoyment out of it gross!
I watched the full documentary last night. I was horrified when I saw the prosecutor's attitude towards her own witnesses in Court. She needs some serious training. You don't lead witnesses evidence like that. It was like she was cross-examining her own witnesses. So grateful for the training I got on secondary victimization. I will never ever treat my own witnesses that way
This story really hurts me. When I was 19 and struggling with severe depression I had a 3 year online relationship with a 19 year old guy similarly struggling. We both started talking a lot about wanting to end it and even discussed a suicide pact. I know just how much words can impact real life choices. When I got scared he was actually going to do something I called his dad out of fear and showed his dad the texts. I broke all of his trust and we broke up. Neither of us ended up harming ourselves though. Even with all that, I could never in a millions years in the worst of my depression imagine harrassing him to do it, especially if he had second thoughts. Ours was more of a "no way out in either of our stories" type of thought. We believed our life together would happen in heaven away from our abusive families. It wasn't like this. ANd I'm still ashamed of both of us for what we said to each other to play off one another's darkest thoughts.
Very Sad, I have suffered from depression for over 40 year's now. While I have not ended my life over the effect's of it, the thought's never really go away, they are always in the background in one way or another, but I have learned over the year's of ways to cope with it better than I did as a youth. I really hope that medical science can find an answer to this horrible condition because as a long time sufferer I would never want to see another person live through this it's very confusing.
@Heartslove 3 Sorry, your religious delusion will not do anything to benefit me.
She calls her eye-brows ....."Ben and Jerry"
haahaa.... from a sexual stand-point I believe he killed himself as the icing on the cake was about how his erected and hairy penis was dismembered while stuck to her face. She was so mad that her decision to urge this depressed boyfriend to kill himself for such damage she'll have to carry on for the rest of her life.
@@brucelinht.nguyen6134 ha ha ha
Michelle Carter does not strike me as an evil person. After so long telling him not to commit suicide, she finally broke down and tried to accept his wishes even though she doesn't like them (like a wife who buys her husband cigarettes and has long quit badgering him to quit). It's not like she was equipped to help him. She is a victim too in this tragedy.
Growing in a severely abusive house, suicide ideation was my reality daily , my solitude was dismissed as being shy , unable to make connections with girls my age. Abuse trauma is a lifetime affliction called PTSD. Daily suicide thoughts remained inacted even now, requires too much angst to go through with it I think , nobody to prod me into it like this evil girl did.
Yes my relatives just called me shy too. I'm not shy I just kept quiet around them they were so cruel
@@megb7758 i still am a solitary person. Early on , I've decided that to become independent, and be SELF SUFFICIENT was to gain some degree of success. I burned bridges with family and relatives. One renowned philosopher said that " Not needing friends and enjoying your own company or solitude is because you have a lot of experience. It means in a way that,
lots of interaction with people have given you wisdom to protect yourself from them , only trust yourself . Only you can love yourself. Love thyself . I only need myself . I tried to stay connected to family but the dysfunction is pervasive. One younger brother screamed at me
" YOU DON'T HAVE FRIENDS " when we had a disagreement . No need to qualify that with an answer, he's incapable of deep thought as all mean people are. What does it take to be KIND?
Ur not alone. Stay strong. Idk how I pulled through but it's an everyday struggle.
Why was she convicted to 2.5 years of prison? He mentally abused that girl.
She legit could've stopped talking to him at anytime. That's the beauty of technology now a days. She could've blocked him at anytime but she liked it. Don't try to place all the blame on the the dude, it's a 2 way street she just as responsible for him taking his life.
She looks like Helga from Hey Arnold lol
she looks like a piece of shit
Thank you xD
Do not disrespect Helga like that...
Acts like it too
@@SampleTextxx 😆
Even though what she did was awful, he's still 1000% to blame.
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All she had to do was tell his parents what hewas wantingtodo
Doesn't make sense at all why they didn't meet up more times. If you're about to die... why wouldn't u atleast go drive up to see your girlfriend and say bye ? Sounds like he wanted to die all along and just used her as a toy to talk to.
Excusemysteezsir I find it very odd that he asked if she would do it as well so they could be like Romeo and Juliet
He was so beautiful if we only knew our value how truly precious and what a gift living life is. Yes my life personally is hard but i thank God for it. I pray we all find that peace
Amen
One of the saddest stories I have ever heard of. Sooo sad he needed help but Michelle pressured him to get back in the pick up. Just awful. He had so much life to live. He needed validation and encouragement. In this instance, the secretive world of social media can be a place to hide pain and grief, to where no one else can help because this outlet is disguising the severity of the problems to outsiders who have no idea what’s really happening. I wish Michelle could have stuck with her original position to help him.
I doubt it the guy tired to end his life more than once. She even told him not to for years and he wouldn’t stop saying he wanted to. He’s just as much to blame as her. Also wtf was his mother doing! Was she that clueless that she didn’t see the sign her son wasn’t doing well?
He left so young but if only he knew that life is beautiful.
How is saying “you won’t do it” trying to help him. She pretty much was daring him to.
This story (News) is not a trending topic outside of the USA. So thanks for posting it, it is interesting what happened.
I feel bad for the girl. He harassed her about this for over 2 years. She isn’t his damn therapist, and the fact that she tried talking him out of it for several years says it all. Unfortunately she got fed up with it and snapped. It’s like that South Park episode, when the kid does exactly this and the counselor gets fed up and says “just fucking do it already” crazy how a cartoon could depict something so accurately
These children are from where I live. Sadly they are so young they don’t know that these feelings and mixed up emotions…. often work out and change so dramatically as we get older. Depression is real. And it needs to be shared talked about treated and brought into the light to help someone suffering. Depression left to suffer alone will crush the soul. I feel so sad for this poor young man. Watching his video diary brought tears to my eyes.
To charge her when she’s mentally unstable aswell is absolutely wrong
Corey Gee how? She new exactly what she was doing.
L B. Lmao no she didn’t “knew” you mean know. And it’s “You” not u. If you are going to tell someone learn to write you might want to know how to write first. I made a damn typo. And she clearly knew what she was doing. She is not mentally unstable. Sorry to tell you.
@BosoxnationI972 2 years? They only knew each other for a short period of time, a few months at best...
Only cuz she's a girl lol
This is so heartbreaking. Like I don't even know what else to say. I hope that this haunts her every single day of her life.
She told him to get help he told her no and she's not to tell anyone. She respected that and then ever time he brought it up she said just doit then. Perfectly legitimate
@@n.w.owhoknowstheshadowknow58 Just because she told him to get help doesn’t mean she actually meant it, maybe she was only telling him what he wanted to hear, I mean at the end of the day if she really cared about he she wouldn’t have encouraged him to take his own life in the first place.
@@niimariee9803 there comes a time dealing with this kind of thing when you stop believing the person because there using it as threat to get attention. I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for this guy I feel sorry for his parents and the girl because there the ones who are suffering as a result of his actions. IV had a friend who's father used suicide as weapon against him by blowing his head of in front of him. My friend later took his own life without a word to anyone.
@@n.w.owhoknowstheshadowknow58 Yes him taking his own life may have been a bit selfish but that doesn’t mean justify her actions either because any real person wouldn’t convince their significant other to take their own life no matter what the case is, if she felt like it was too much or couldn’t handle it then she should’ve cut things off to begin with.. i, myself feel very sorry for him because i also struggle with anxiety & depression and it’s really hard to explain how to feel to anybody, it’s like the whole world is against you and there’s nothing to do to help you, there’s like this great feeling of sadness.. and i wish i would’ve known about this i would’ve tried helping him but during the time i was really young & didn’t even know about depression 😂, he would’ve still been here today if only he didn’t make that call.
@@niimariee9803 I ain't saying she's nice, but since when are you obligated to help people if you decide you don't wish to I don't see it as crime that is all. Is it morally wrong, of course it is
The irony of them voting her "most likely to brighten your day" when she caused someone's life to go completely black for eternity.
Let's be reasonable that young man shares the accountability for his death...she did not force him back into his car
She said: “Fucking get back in!!!”
Conrad got in the truck and died. It was his choice but Michelle pushed him to do it.
or white ......
@@cassinihuygens72 There was no proof at all that she texted that, that was something her friend had said she said, no proof of it at all. He was responsable for his life.
Imagine getting those disturbing messages on and on. Both of them needed help.
Yes, they were BOTH very messed up. Both needed serious counseling.
HE was EMOTIONALLY abusing her, and she could not take it anymore. For 2 years, over 700 days, this guy kept saying he was going to kill himself. He eventually convinced her to agree with him that it was just, and to go through with it. Because she saw no other way to make him happy.
yes. wouldn't you get mentally drained out from hearing someone tell you theyre going to kill themself everyday?
@@mchoo.8521 People need to learn what the term emotionally abusive is. How can you condemn him for leaning emotionally on a girl that he trusted and loved, it’s clear that he has had serious mental health issues far before meeting her BUT she didn’t just get fed up or say “just do it” she gave him IDEAS, she texted him numerous times pressuring him to do it, she made him feel like it NEEDED to be done. If it was too much for her emotionally even though she “loved him” she could have went to an adult, told his parents, told a friend, or did ANYTHING but egg him on. This falls into the category of bullying, if it were the other way around or if she wasn’t considered his girlfriend at one point, absolutely nobody would be defending her actions or reasoning with her texts to him. While she is not fully responsible for his actions, she is somewhat responsible for provoking a very depressed and emotionally unstable boy to take his life on numerous occasions. If it were the other way around people would never make excuses for him. Depression and anxiety is VALID even for men. I have bipolar disorder and go through extreme lows where I experience suicidal thoughts and I could not imagine where I would be if my BOYFRIEND encouraged and pressured me to take my life during that time. You people defending her only seem to have empathy for emotionally unstable women but not men. Sad.
I had a ex bf who would always threaten to take his own life 24/7 at first the few times he did this I would ofc try my best to reason w him or distract his thoughts I too had my own struggles growing up w/BPD and PTSD aren’t easy dealing w growing up after seeking therapy for my own issues I remember my therapist telling me that I was being verbally and possibly emotionally abused and I was also very young at the time so it was hard to kinda wrap my head around as a teen I think what Michelle Did was awful but She needed and still need a lot of help too and may Connor rest well ❤️
She looks like Cara Delevigne
Catherine Kelly yeah the walmart version
Can I be your boyfriend
ICallsEmLikeISeesEm hardly
Hotter version
Plz stop making her famous .you are just inspiring the youth for commiting sucide
Very interesting case, has a lot of hard questions to ask from a logical standpoint, of course, many people at home act only on emotion and not logic and so they don't understand why this case is not cut and dry.
Agreed! No doubt her deed was evil, but what about him? But he was feeble minded to say the least. It takes two to tango, he surely wasn't an unwilling dancer.
The way i see it (as cold as it sounds), this was a crasy tragedy that was played out by TWO selfish self-entered, attention-grabbing drama queens.
@@TheXmeimei depression isn't something people just pretend to have.It is very serious.And when you are in his place,you won't even care about how others would feel and you would just want to end the numbness.
teens, especially, need to be taught to seek help if they have thoughts of death or suicide....it is not a shameful thing to seek help, and thousands of people suffer from it.
I struggle with depression and anxiety myself and I feel for this girl. I would get overwhelmed having to constantly talk someone out of suicide. Especially being in a depression myself like she was. After so long of helping him emotionally and continually talking him out of suicide after so long she was probably like "fuck it if you're going to do it, do it. I can't keep saving you." And on top of all that she was dealing with the same thing he was (depression) so she wasn't even in a good enough emotional state to be helping him with what she herself was also struggling with. I don't think she should be locked for a decision he ultimately made on his own. She didn't make him take his own life. It's not like she murdered him.
This!!
She still instigated him nonetheless. I've been through it. I've taken anti depressants, hospitalised 2 times for suicide attempts. I will never in my LIFE instigate someone to kill themselves. Ever. Even Trump. This girl deserves whatever she has coming her way
He confided in her for help and she provoked him to end his life. It was even said he tried stepping out of the car to prevent his death, and she urged him back inside.
You're stupid.
tf she forced him .
He wasn't a kid. He was suicidal. He said nothing could save him. Even then she was guilty. She served her time. Let her live. For all saying she deserved more time, she doesn't.
When 2 sick peoples met!
Theyre not sick, just phases going through their lifes. Pain is temporary.
Everyone is sick, these two just took a step further.
"The voices in my head are telling me too" the boy had demons whispering to him
@Soupy Chang demons are very much real
@The Senate i do blame them
@The Senatei don't care what you think of me, i seen miracles with my eyes, i used to be like you, but i pray that one day you'll open your eyes too and see these principalitys around us.
@@lucada8538 Please you're not really helping people woth mental issues
@@compulsivecommenter990 and telling them that they're fine is defiantly making things worse.
This is heart breaking. My 17-year old self can so relate to the thoughts and things Conrad was saying before he passed. This is so much more complicated than Michelle incited him, or failed to prevent him, as much as that can be hard to fathom.
They were bonded through suicide ideation...the text messages they sent between one another are not shocking to me at all...it can be an almost short hand way of communicating when you meet someone who suffers in the same way as you...they seemed pretty on par for two teenagers who were struggling with their mental health issues...and kind of trauma bonding.
Those videos of him talking about his depression were very hard to watch. I can’t imagine how his family felt watching them. Once someone with depression all of the sudden seems really happy, it’s a red flag and they need help.
seeing this is complicated, my crush is depressed and has a lot of problems with himself, we don't talk at the moment because he's mad at me, but i care about him so much and i don't want him to end up killing himself, i really like him and wanted help him..he is important to me and not only because we have known each other for 6 years and we went to the same school until seventh grade, but also because he makes me feel good but there are some attitudes of his that make me feel bad, but I didn't give up on him and I won't give up on him, i really want to help him...and i hope he trusts me.
So at a point he also tried to encourage her to die but she's the only villain????
Right???!!!
I think people just want to see the good side of the ones passed. It's sad. It's like once you're dead, you're a fucking saint and all is forgiven
In 2012 she encouraged him not to kilk himself and she tried so hard. Same thing happens 2 years later (only until October 2014 when she clearly tired and texting things as in the part 2) but like all that time? One would be so tired hearing things like "Im gonna kill myself tonight" "I want to die" "I will do it" over and over and over again but eventually they didnt do it. Its not the meaning of sentences but the repetition of them made her go crazy. So Her texts are quite easy to understand.
From the beginning he appeared to be more obsessed with death and suicidal thoughts. He made both suffer with the idea that. Romeo and Juliet?? Michelle was like NO WE RE NOT LIKE THAT. WE ARE NOT GONNA DIE. Apparently both have mental illness but Michelle seems to be more stable. U have to look the whole case. Was a tragedy afterall
Guilty👩🏽⚖️ with those Brows🙅🏽♀️
His mother knew, and his mother did nothing. She didn't monitor his phone, his online history, she didn't get him help. No one mentions the mother? It's sickening.
And then, Michelle, who fought for him to live, encouraged him to get help, told him she didn't want him to die, eventually, gave into him pressuring her and surrounding her in his triangle of darkness, he was verbally abusive and emotionally manipulating her, because of how suicidal he was, pressuring her, he even wanted her to suicide with him. She's not some evil criminal.
They spoke about nightmares, seeing the devil. They were NOT sane. They were drugged up teenagers. Depression is serious. It's a tragic story and I feel for them both.
Exactly. This reminds me of my first relationship in some ways just the constant bombardment. It eventually grew to him abusing me and sexually assaulting me. I never told him to kill himself or anything like that ofc but there were times I just had to tell him straight up “I’m not emotionally available to help you. You need outside help” he refused. At that point there’s not much more you can do. Abuse pushes ppl to do crazy things and often we sympathize with victims killing their abusers and I think this was a similar situation here. Obviously both teens had problems and ideally they would’ve split and gotten help, but this isn’t the work of an evil mastermind and more so the effects of mental health issues.
100% agree
I don’t know much about this story, but I have had a few people throughout my life come to me and say they were suicidal/wanted to self harm. I had no idea what to do. I tried to just tell them that they could get through it, not to do it, and that people care about them. I feel like a good thing to do would also be to make effort for them, in retrospect. I was kinda stuck not being able to do much in middle school and high school, but now I feel like if you have a friend who is suicidal or depressed, make time and effort for them. Their depression won’t go away over night, but give them a reason to want to live. Help prove the thoughts in their head wrong by caring about them.
Maybe bring them along to events you are doing to/help them find new hobbies or a pet or something. This is case by case, of course.
When I was depressed, I just lost all my friends lol luckily, I got to go to counseling, but most of my mental work was alone. … well, if I’m being honest, I primarily got out of it with my faith.
He looks like charlie puth.
So many lives lost over not being talked to and helped properly. Everyone can be helped. Everyone.
Heartbreaking.
Nobody should feel alone, nobody should feel like death is the answer.
I have been there.
My sons father pushed me to attempt suicide and would laugh about it
I kinda agree with that doctor she most likely got tired of the “care giver/ mediator” role so she felt doing what she did was the easiest way to “get rid” off him it’s a sad situation all around I hope she never does something like this again
this girl is a sicko and deserves much longer than she got. What a heartless piece of garbage to contact his family after she helped kill him asking for ashes etc. She is nuts and a danger to others
Finally someone with some sense. These comments excusing her behavior are completely NUTS!! I bet everyone who makes an excuse for her would be singing a whole different tune if it were their child, parent, sibling, or other loved one in place of Conrad. Yes he was depressed, yes he attempted suicide before BUT the text messages speak volumes on the fact that he was having serious second thoughts about going thru with it. IMO, he would not have committed suicide, at least not that day, had it not been for her. She’s disgusting. She’s EVIL! She should have gotten at least 10-12 years.
He needed help. If she loved him she should have talked to his family and gotten him help. Not told him to do it! Horrible girl.
I had a friend who wanted to die. Asked me to help him get his affairs in order and I refused to help him commit suicide. Lots of times he would get mad at me for not supporting his choice to do it. I would stay on the phone with him for hours making sure he didn’t do anything. Now he is alive with a beautiful girlfriend and a job. I hope he is happy and doesn’t hate me.
He threatened her and told her not to get help??
@@jamiepereira930 yeah because suicidal people know exactly what they need
If you look at things out of her perspective she was in a really hard situation. What people don’t consider is that she most likely had borderline and what that meant. Borderline makes it extremly hard to separate from people, he said he would hate her if she told anyone so he would get help, hence that was not an option. After years of trying to encourage him not to take is life and it not having any effect she probably realized that if he really really wants to die, maybe that would be the best thing for him, if it will make him find peace (for some people death can actually be the best opinion, not saying that it was necessarly in this case tho). Obviously it was wrong and irrational of her to do what she did. But she is not a monster. Yes she fucked up, but if you can atleast try to emphasize with her perspective the situation is not black nor white but grey, as it almost always is.
Regina Filangi yes if she was a regular person that would be logical but as i stated above people with borderline find it extremly hard to separate from people.
She's a monster.
Yeah she fucked up and killed someone. You're literally siding with someone who encouraged someone to kill themselves. Telling them to get back in the truck and die. I sure hope no one ever does this to your kid or someone you love. You're supposed to help the people you love, not assist in their death at 18 years old. The dude was going through a tough time and would of been okay as time went on. But no he met a monster who helped him die
Mmmm interesting. I never realised that she did actually try to help him. I’m not justifying what she did but when you’re mentally unstable yourself and after two years of saying he’s going to do it she probably just wanted it to end.
If she wanted it to end she should’ve left him. And if you read the texts, she was encouraging him to take his life and later on talking about how his death would make her famous online. I’m so disgusted and horrified by these comments.
@@numindframetarot6046 And if she left him, he would’ve continued to threaten her. If he were still alive, they’d both be at fault.
@@numindframetarot6046 if you read the next he basically threaten her. But keep blaming her. He didn’t do anything wrong 🙄🙄
@@thedutchmanjaspergrey137 ok sociopath
@@numindframetarot6046 name calling? Are you 10?
t was all Conrad in this. He was the one who manipulated her into helping him. It amazes
me how almost no one takes into consideration that she tried to talk him out of it for over
a year. He was unstable, manipulative and verbally abusive (you all saw his F-U texts). He cornered
her in saying "You can't tell anyone or I will hate you". I believe if she had went to the police, social
services or his parents, it would have just motivated him till kill himself even more and then
he would have blamed her. I think some kind "If you say something, I'll kill myself and then it's on you"
kind of mentality going on Then he even tried to steer her into killing herself as well.
He said "We're going to be like Romeo and Juliet" "you know how that ended right?"
I think he really had a grip on her and she felt like eventually he's going to wear her down
and she pushed him to do it just to be free of him. He was a poison as was his family.
His father beat him and what was that about with the mother acting so surprised like:
"I could never imagine he'd kill himself", when she knew at least one occasion where
he tried to swallow alot of pills. Still feel sorry for the parents though, I don't mean they
deserve it or anything.
Of course it was possible for her to defend herself and get out of it without him dying,
but she was only 17 and had psychological problems of her own.
I hope she's doing alright. She's a beautiful woman and deserves to move forward in life.
Finally, someone who see's sense. Well said.
Ednf
What? I’m pretty sure there’s proof she told him to do it and I believe said that his family would simply get over it. What she did isn’t ok. She should have broke up with him and got him actual help, not encourage it
Go rescue her king. Go give her the love that queen she deserves. She’s waiting for you, go sweep her up off her feet and have a beautiful, totally healthy family.
You fucking loser.
They lived an hour away from each other and only had a texting relationship she couldn’t be mentally abused. It’s a simple block his life isn’t her responsibility so she shouldn’t have made ending his life her mission.
This is what happens when kids have social media and compare life’s instead of being happy with their own
TheSCH0FIELDKid there’s alot of truth in this
True , even effects grown ups
YES. Chilling how she excels at manipulating seeing at certain times I start putting myself in her position and start to rationalize for her. Than I snap out of it, like I just can’t.
i personally knew conrad roy. my father grew up with him. he is a true angel. may he rest in peace.
hes in hell now
@Regina Filangi i know everything
if you havent. you need to watch STEPHANIE SOOS video on this. she explains everything.
lost souls ..both of them. sadly a new wave of disassociation and fantasy death projection. she's a strange monstrous child. wow.
This is unbelievable! Nobody should be held responsible for someone s wrong doings !
This girl is not innocent. She was rightfully charged of her crimes, she encouraged to do it, and to get back in the car.
However, I have been in a relationship like, (on her side). I can say for a fact, and as the psychiatrist said.
HE was EMOTIONALLY abusing her, and she could not take it anymore. For 2 years, over 700 days, this guy kept saying he was going to kill himself. He eventually convinced her to agree with him that it was just, and to go through with it. Because she saw no other way to make him happy. You have no idea what it's like for someone you love and care about to threaten suicide. My girlfriend even ended a text to me at 2 a.m. one night with, "Ok, goodbye, I'm gonna end it now". To which I stayed up all night sending multiple texts showing my love and affection for her and begging and pleading her not too. I only put up with it for 4 months, before my mom forced me to break up with her, and sent me to a therapist.
Why do people do this? Depression is a cancer of happiness. It eats away at it, and you can't have it for long. You can win an award, graduate from HS, get married. You only get minutes, hours, maybe a few days of happiness before it's all gone. Then your brain is telling you, "you have no reason to live" again. Because of this, people with depression will often do anything to find a way to become happy.
The love and affection that she would have been showing him after he threatened it the FIRST time was gratifying. So he continued to do it, and most likely he developed in ADDICTION to this type of behavior.
My ex never ended up killing herself, when we broke up she was sending texts like this guy was too me 3-4 times a week. Every time, I'd cry, virtually comfort her, beg and plead her not too. She'd suck all of the light out of me that she could just to make her lamp a little less dim.
Thank you for reading this.
Two people coming together for the worst t'was like the blind leading the blind.
If she did care. She would have told and lose the relationship to save his life.
Glad I found this!
If his parents knew he had depression the parents should have done more to help their son it’s not the girl fault
He was seeing like 3 different counselors and therapist. Not sure what she u can do
Why am I watching this while playing Super Mario Odyssey
I know someone who fought w his gf alot always said he would kill himself one argument on phone he said it she said go ahead and he shot himself in the head while on the phone w her nothing happened to her this was early 90's
Here after hearing of her early release. Is the spelling mistakes in 5:52 intentional? Or someone playing dum dum.
This is drastically different than the info that was released prior to the trial!
Who came here because they saw the movie on Lifetime?
Damn...how did you know....hahahahahaha
I knew about the story before the moive when I first started whaching the moive I like this story about kid kill himself because of crazy girlfriend
Me lol
omg there’s a movie about it? whats the name?
I saw a video of text messages between him and his girlfriend! What is the movie called?
Bless your sweet soul conrad.none of this should of happened .I cannot condone what she done to you.beyond evil. rest in peace .know that justice is served ...even if it's not as long as we hoped💔
Smh.
this situation breaks my heart, rip conrad
They were both seriously mentally distressed. Like they fed off each other's negativity!
As a parent, I can not say what I would do, bc there are so many different stages of grieving, I would not be an adult at first, I can guarantee that I'd want to hurt someone.
I hear these voices every day and I don't know how long I can resist them.
Salem Mojo You can find help. It’s out there, just learn to live in the moment. Thinking about the past and the future will just hurt or torture you. You will make it through.
@@superstone13 All what life has is sickness death wars to much food no food money problems bad ugly friends am still trying to find the good in this freekin world.
I know I'm just a stranger online, but feel free to talk to me if you need some one to talk to.
@@lucada8538 thank you I appreciate it that's very nice of you.
@Jonathan Thomas bruh
It’s crazy how kids will drive themselves to this when they have more than 2/3 of the world. Just get someone who can actually talk to you and help you feel better, get some goals, appreciate little things in yo life more.
Mick you clearly don’t understand depression
@@drvonnostrum2671 and clearly you don't as well. . .
Yeah this comment is fucked
So someone sends you these kind of texts and you don’t tell or report it to someone really 😕😕
I haven't finished this yet man I hope she doesn't tell him to kill himself
He clearly had mental health issues but wanted to live, she encouraged him to die. I don’t know about mental health but she appears to be a narcissistic psychopath - she pushed and pushed him to commit suicide then drew attention to herself after he was gone.
Saskia she wanted Conrad to live. Conrad wanted to die and kept repeating it to Michelle. Michelle encouraged him to live for two years until she couldn't handle it anymore. She had depression as well. Conrad still said he wanted to die. Michelle asked if he was sure and Conrad constantly said he was sure
Toxic Pixel have you followed this story at all? There are countless texts encouraging him to kill himself - that’s why she was sentenced, even if the sentence is a joke. Someone who pushed and pushed someone to commit suicide in a campaign lasting months never cared for that persons well-being. It’s insane to me that any sane person can claim to rationalise this.
Saskia what are u on about lady? It was clearly shown this girl was trying her best to get him to stop but wouldn't listen she finally got tired of the b.s. cuz suicidal people don't see how much thier depression can affect thier loved ones also I feel like she just finally snapped and went crazy I feel for both of them me suffering with depression I kinda understand where that kid was mentally some of us keep fighting but some just can't f8ght on forever
Wilver Angulo Correct :) at least someone agrees with me
Wilver Angulo the fact that you think what she did was reasonable or arguably logical is frankly what’s wrong with the world.
its 2019...he would be graduating college now😢
Almost 2021. Half way through his course.
@@greengrassofhome And now… 2022 :(
A classic tale of boy falls in love with a girl who doesn't love him back
the fact she tried to talk him shows that kids shouldn’t get involved in affairs and should wait to mature
anyone suffering with suicide never give up no matter how hard it gets keep fighting there's always another way
Thank you..that's really good of you to say.
they really need to take this to the supreme court, you can not violate freedom of speech this blatantly
Sounds like a little rich kid that didn’t think of anybody but himself.
Why didn’t she contact his family and send them screenshots of the conversations? I think if she truly cared she would have!
She will not fail at having cellmates LMAO
i honestly feel bad for her lmao. i know what it’s like to deal with someone like that and be made to feel like you have a responsibility to keep them alive and constantly be in immediate contact with them. it’s beyond exhausting and greatly adds on to the already existing anxieties of everyday life. at such a young age, too. she became fed up with it after years and probably thought something like “how about you stop talking about it and actually do something about it since nothing anyone tries to do is helping you.” i don’t think she should’ve gone to prison. she needed mental help yes, but conrad was uhhhh questionable to say the least. he refused to get help and put the pressure of his entire life on this already mentally ill girl that he met like twice.
Right so if someone is annoying you about killing themselves, screw trying to get them help just tell them to kill theirself right? Wow so exhausting having someone talking about killing themselves, just do it already. (By your logic) you're a shitty person just like her.
What if it was your kid would you still feel the same way about her
@@amandam4714 i probably wouldn’t feel the same and i understand his parents need to blame someone other than their son for his death to cope. he was constantly talking about how he was going to kill and refused to get help, and threatened cutting contact if she told anyone.
That doesn’t mean you get to pester him to suicide lol. Big difference between disengaging from the relationship and actively egging someone’s suicide. The latter is criminally liable
@@Mancalashawty That's when you tell his parents so they can get help for him so he can't harm himself
I have always had anxiety depression. Some Days I'm sad some I'm ok. Rip conrad
Oh god I’m from this town this is absolutely sick watching, I hate this so much