It's amazing how the most boring business hardware of my youth is capable to turn itself into the most fashionable vintage piece of equipment in this date and age.
Very true. I'm an OG gamer, I've been playing video games since the 90s. I'm still rocking with my over 10 year old PC(BSEL modded Intel Pentium E2160, vmodded ATI HD4670 and 19'' 1280x1024 monitor). I can play AAA games like The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion/Skyrim, The Witcher 2, Mass Effect 1/2/3, Dragon Age 1/2/3 and Fallout 3/NV/TTW. Too bad I can't play Fallout 4 or The Witcher 3 because my GPU doesn't support DX11, but I can watch ''Let's play'' videos and it's almost like playing the game. I have my studio tour and gaming setup video on my channel.
Yeah, I’ve started to become hesitant to sell/recycle my hardware (laptops, tablets, smartphones) because I super regret getting rid of things like my first camera and my old Nokia.
That's one thing I found really puzzling was how supposedly "better" business computers (I mean you'd think so since they would do more important/complicated kinds of tasks) were supposed to be yet how come they typically just did plain black/green or black/amber when the Apple IIe or TI-99 4A computers in school could do full color? When our public library first got this kind of computer "card catalog" in the early 90s that too was puzzling how these brand new computers would be so primitive (plain black screen/amber text) yet the ones in my elementary school computer were older yet could do full color graphics. Didn't make any sense to me at all at the time...
That feature is called "soft scrolling" in the setup-menu. It tends to slow things down, so most people have it switched off. I'm using a VT520 (a somewhat never version of this one) for most of my work.
@@SomePotato The soft-scrolling was probably meant to be used with 4800 or 9600 bauds... on faster lines it's just awkward. There are cool things about having a real terminal though: - Some have built-in graphics capabilities like regis or sixel (ruclips.net/video/0SasrQ7pnbA/видео.html) - Some older programs and games use special characters to display elaborate pseudo-graphics which most terminal emulators won't display correctly
@@wuloki Yeah I kind of want a VT-330 just so I can play around with regis graphics. Though it's real hard to justify given the price of those things these days.
@@tetsujin_144 xterm can do both regis and sixel. The versions you get on a typical linux distro often don't have that enabled though, but compiling xterm yourself with the appropriate switches to ./configure is still cheaper than getting a real VT-330.
@@jn1mrgn I know of a ghetto community center that got some, they sold them to pizza hut and made a collective party with the money(ironically, buying some Pizza Hut)
Yeah my Mom trashed my Dad's old TRS-80 when they split back in '94 (probably just out of spite), but I would sure like to go back in time and stop her from doing that. Replace the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply (and any other large caps) and wherever kind of button-cell CMOS battery it had and I'd be ready for some LEGIT Frogger playing! Oh, and having a bona fide piece of computing history that might be worth $10K to the right buyer. It's crazy how worthless e-waste that we only recycle (as opposed to trashing) only because of a few hundred milligrams of precious metals might one day be a museum piece. Makes you think twice about getting rid of the stuff! That planned obsolescence is a mofo, and we all only have just so much storage space - guess we could go into our attics and start deleting stuff of questionable retention value from our /dev/attic1 to make room?
I was about to say almost the same thing. Editing was solid af and was very visually pleasing. Felt like he sent the video off to a legit TV studio to be edited or something lol. Clint is killin it.
@@MrClawt Hard one to answer but let me say it like this -- it is a great game, and very well done; but its 'sandbox'y, but not boxed in sandbox like say GTA etc. Like, paths of advacenemnt (bear in mind, I'm a noob despite having it since launch, just trying to really get in now..) .. you can be the usual freighter, or pirate, or work on your engineering skills, ot aim for gold, or aim for acquiring lots of ships of different kidns, and/or different buildouts for each; you can work on rovering around to find minerals, or do miing of asteroids. The aliens are invading, so you can fight aliens or their scouts, or try to evac burning outposts to save the people; you can guild up and do what the guilds prioties are. etc. So, theres a lot that can be done, but the game won't tell you to do anything; theres no levelling up per se (except engineering skills), but you don't start with a good ship or good modules for sed ship so thats where it starts.. Myself, I'd like to .. try a little of all of it; the tutorial missions will get you there. I'd really like to work on fighting the aliens and evacuating burning bases and such, that seems fun/risky :) Graphics and audio are astounding. I've got a VR headset, and it looks extra stunning in that, though it still controls with joy/mouse/keyb as normal, even when in VR.
Clint, I've always loved your videos, but I'm especially in love with this one. I'm a librarian (using the current Dynex system - Sirsi) and this takes me back. Thank you for showing some library love. This terminal brings back so many great memories!
I used to have to service WYSE-100 terminals, which also had this amber monochrome screens. The terminal main-menu was burnt into the phosphor, and you could read the main menu on the screen, with the terminal switched off. :) Those terminals run 24/7, and every now and again, the PSU caps would die, and I would have to pull the terminal to bits and recap the PSU, and put it back in. We actually used to have about five or six WYSE-100 terminals sitting on the shelf of the workshop, so that when you got the call that one had stopped, you would swap it out with one of the already repaired ones, then bring the dead one back to the shop, fix it, and plop it on the shelf to go out when needed.
@@GECKman88 Anyway, whoever Stanley is, I use those thingies on a daily basis. In my company we have the computers which went with those. They're controlling all sorts of machinery and construction robots. The computers have about 4 MB of RAM and run at roughly 10 MHz.
Went to elementary school in Springfield, and using DEC terminals was my first experience of knowing what the "network" was! Your work is greatly appreciated!
This gives me nightmares of converting a card catalog to database, one card at a time. I did it for a small library in 1994. They paid so much, but oooh it was boring.
LUCKY! My local library as a kid divied the task out to me and a few other adults and I think the Head Librarians son and at least us kiddos were paid in food (and access to the vending machine) and dibs on new books the library was ordering in. The adults (who definitely were being paid) were given the brunt of the task and helped us if we needed guidance, but yeah it was exceptionally boring, but it was computers so I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever done in my life.
@@TechnicolorMammoth On the GOOD side, I also got EVERY Star Trek TOS Pocket Book...someone donated a complete collection, and they didn't want it! HAH And yes, I loved the idea of sitting in front of a computer 12 hours a day, no problem! And a fun note, we used a program called KERMIT to connect to the University of Texas library, and the password was kermit too.
When our HS made their library computerized in the 90's, I was one of the individuals who entered card catalog data into the database, and stuck barcodes on books during my gym period. I had ankle surgery, and was assigned to library duty in lieu of gym. Fun times.
Actually, about 0.1562 frames per second, if we take into account that one screen in 80x24 is 1920 characters, and at 2400 baud you can do 300 characters per second. Even slower if you set it to use more columns.
@Ivinnium You can now buy pre-made linux gaming laptops, install steam directly from the app store, and install windows games right onto it. My RTX 3080 System76 Oryx Pro linux laptop is proof that linux is no longer a niche fanboy OS. Its ready for the masses, but as long as you write off comments like what @fan of leaf nation wrote, you'll miss out. Damn shame
From the beginning LGR has always had the best intros but this one is incredible. Fantastic job with the cinematography for this video man, keep it up!
It's a real shame that Archive Dot Org doesn't have a copy of the classic Dynix library management software. If anyone still has an old server from an 1980s library please try to preserve that stuff.
Those databases from that era typically ran from ‘big iron’ (mainframes) - not a local ‘server’ in the sense that you’d have today. These were also typically shared and centrally located (so all libraries in a given region could use them via these ‘dumb terminals’). In some cases - if the software and/or database was critical enough we would sometimes port them out to mainframe emulators that ran on the equivalent of modern servers - but typically these old applications/data repos were just replaced with modern equivalents and left to die an unceremonious death in a freezing cold corner of some sad, lonely data center.
That intro was magical... And I love that cute "Wait" that it has in it's startup... it's like "Wait... this shit's getting started, check me out... VT320 OK!"
As a college student in the late 90s and early 2000s, I used this terminal on almost a daily basis because I was a student library worker for work study. The nostalgia is unreal!
The amber on black just makes me think of the computers in Portal (and yes, New Vegas) This was a triumph! I'm making a note here: Huge success! It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
We still use these things in VAX production environments where I work. These old terminals (and VAX/VMS systems) are hands-down some of my favorite pieces of tech to work with and enjoy. Not sure if you’ve ever done a video on OpenVMS, but that is a true gem from memory lane. Excellent production quality btw; keep doing exactly what you’re doing!
One really unfortunate thing about terminal I/O on Unix and Linux systems is that command-line applications fail to make use of the advanced features of the vt100 series, to say nothing of the vt320 series. In practice, curses, ncurses, termcap, and termio do a terrible job of supporting advanced features of DEC terminals. VMS command-line applications routinely made use of double-height text, blinking text, and windows within the screen. WordPerfect for VMS made use of downloadable fonts on vt320 terminals: you had real italics!
My god damn jaw dropped to the floor watching you connect this thing to the internet and post to twitter. Woww.. This thing does trigger nostalgia for me. I am pretty sure my local library had one too.
In the "Pre PC" days DEC 320's were the mainstay of most Hospital Pharmacy computing systems. The larger Hospital Pharmacies had many of these, since they were pretty multifunctional little terminals. They always seemed to have Post-It notes stuck everywhere too!
My library has these until the early 2000s. Back then, you only needed your library card number to get into all your info. Reserve books, renew them, and see if you owed the library any money. One day, I discovered that someone was one accidental key stroke away from my number, and from then on, I was always checking their stuff too. At one point, they owed my library over $500...
I'm guessing that's why modern library cards have PIN codes on them… …or in the case of the public libraries in my area, a separate online login that uses a username and password (and the online account is linked to the physical library card or identity card number), which in turn makes OverDrive logins rather interesting because I would have to put in my username and password in place of the library card number and PIN respectively.
Wonder if it was me? Lol. I still have a book i "borrowed" from the library in 1998... 8yo me forgot about it and I only found the book in 2017 when my dad moved house... the library is gone now. Its a car park....
Never owned a DEC, but the Amber Glow and your reference to Legend of the Red Dragon made me nostalgic... reminding me logging on to my local BBS on my XT with Hercules graphics hooked up to my 12" Amber monitor... ah, the good ole' days!
Wow I remember these at my undergrad library in the late 1990s, and when I worked there I would always help people with the usage. Great score here, and I didn't know these cost so much!
All the keyboards of the newer VT terminals have a quite smudgy feel. A good one is the one for the VT100 terminal, but those are quite old and hard to come by. The IBM 5250 terminals also had a nice keyboard (basically an IBM model M with LOTS of extra-keys).
It isn't just nostalgia. There was a level of refinement in the terminal, and in VMS and the application software that sat on top of it (including the command line itself), that exploited the features of DEC smart terminals in a way that was very smooth, expressive, and user-friendly. To this day, command-line applications on a UNIX or Linux system represent a definite step backward from what VMS and the DEC terminals provided. Another underappreciated feature of the vt320 monitor was that its native font made capital letters easy on the eye.
For an entire semester in college, I used a 9600bps modem and DEC VT-100 terminal (the old beige thing that looks straight out of The Forbin Project). I had sold my Mac IIci and was trying to stretch the time before the new Quadra came out. People were amazed I was able to write papers using WordStar on the VAX cluster and HP laserjets. Fun times.
Harder than it might seem... Modern Linux systems won't provision a tty on a serial port without special configuration. Still that's what I would do with something like this... Probably would make it the main terminal for a raspberry pi.
@@travis1240 I have a heathkit terminal at my desk at work that is hooked up to my desktop just to stop the lab director from tossing it. trust me it's not that hard.
I have many happy memories of controlling my Linux computer remotely using a terminal and a very long nulmodem cable, I probably still have a few in storage
Andre van Schaijk I remember writing up a project using a VT220 connected via a terminal concentrator to the buildings central DEC Ultrix server, then printing it out on a DEC laser printer the size of a copier.
Same here, set up a DEC terminal to communicate with my 486 running Debian over a serial cable. Seem to remember that i had to hack the DB9 connector to do some rewiring of the pins. the VT' came from a a redundant system used at my work (power industry). They had been used to enter work orders, spares management and purchasing at all our power stations. The system was rolled out to all remote sites and every desk had a terminal all muxed back to a VAX in head office. I do recall that there was a rudimentary email system that was only used by the more geeky employees. Slow and painful to use. In the end I remember pallet loads of these terminals gathering dust in forgotten corners of the company.
Bro most of the computers you review are much much older than me. But it's so fascinating to learn about them. And your DOS game reviews are also 👌👌👌 . Great upload as always!
The level of effort Clint put in this one extends well beyond it's intro. The terminal was displayed in a setting that's incredibly pleasing to the eye. The soft ambient lighting matches the warm tones of the music he's provided. The screen capture in this video is delightfully crisp, the depth being so obvious, I feel like I might as well be looking at the real thing. This channel is like a fine wine, Clint. It has aged perfectly.
Our libraries had WYSE termials, with a lot of burn-in. Ah, those halcyon days. What I wouldn't give for a time-machine. Do a long-play letsplay series of LORD. 😀
Nothing better than sitting down with a bowl of cereal in front of my retro computer to watch Clint talk about retro computers. Keep up the good stuff, dude.
Nostalgia bomb. I remember this system well. The amber glow, the beep, the keyboard sound. I used it for years. It was very satisfying. I was disappointed when the library “upgraded” to some full-color, mouse-driven GUI system. Thank you for this video. It made my day.
There are times I wish the local library would go back to something like this, but with maybe a slight bit more configuration for enlarging the characters on screen or maybe a splash of color for highlighting, but on the whole still text/keyboard centric because my eyes just kidna wash over the current cataloging system and it's like 'ok what do? This is all a jumble to me.' Also... that smooth scrolling. Holy mary mother of christ that scrolling.
Oh! That thing about a GUI system, reminds me of when the public libraries here used "CARLWeb53" for their catalogue systems, it had a version with the library branding and all (albeit the older logo that had serif text rather than sans-serif) in the main section, but a separate version of the same system called "Kids Catalogue WEB" that didn't have library branding, but had an bit of a "robot" design with animated GIF graphics and all, accessed through Compaq (and later HP) thin clients. In the early 2010s, they ditched that for the Spydus catalogue system web interface, but along with their own separate search site that searches multiple sources. Years later, they would ditch their proprietary (I think) e-book system in favour of OverDrive. They replaced the HP Compaq thin clients with HP ProDesk desktops, and later EliteOnes.
I was just remembering my own disappointment when my library upgraded! I think it was because the card catalog terminal was its own specialized device -- it even had a bunch of the keyboard buttons replaced by brightly-painted ones with catalog-specific labels. I guess the modern comparison would be reading an e-book on a Kindle vs an iPad: Yes, you CAN do that on either, but it's better on the device designed for that purpose.
Dynix was the operating system, basically Sequent’s multi-processor version of Unix. It wasn’t the library application, but the performance of the various Sequent servers was uniquely good for library workloads.
One of the best intros on RUclips that was. I like these type of computers. Growing up in 80s we used to have the old card system as seen in Ghostbusters in our school library. Loved the card system.
I remember playing around with those terminals when I was kid in the 80's and early 90's. I always found the amber color much more pleasant than the eye-searing green ones.
I've always loved LGR videos Clint, but this one is just *so* sweet! Multiple nerdgasms, all one after another at 9600bps. Your tender loving care with that well-crafted intro is much appreciated (as is the well researched and professionally presented content on this most awesome product). YOU ROCK, MAN!
This one really takes me back to 1993, hanging out at the library for hours on a chat BBS connected by telnet. My first experience with the internet. I remember there being these strange things in the library menu like "Gopher" and "World Wide Web". The web wasnt very interesting at the time... not much content and was all in text on the terminal. And that smooth scrolling of text was very satisfying, and I remember trying to find a terminal program on PC to do the same thing when dialing into BBSes, but never found anything like it.
Joe The scrolling was typically done by messing with the adjustment registers in the video chip. The classic chip in PCs could only do this for the whole screen, but some alternative chips did allow smooth scrolling a "window" part of the screen so the status line could stand still. Of cause in a terminal like this, the scrolling effect would be done to whatever was specified via the DEC escape codes, and if the chosen part couldn't be smooth scrolled, it just scrolled unsmoothly and the computer wouldn't know or care.
That intro was damn near orgasmic to watch, really makes me want to go and buy a terminal now... *Opens new tab and clicks on the eBay button in the Firefox top sites page*
Ah, what a lovely terminal! And I really enjoyed the intro part. In fact, I have no idea how many times I went back to the very beginning of the video to see the intro!
I had completely forgot about this, but used them in my daily job for a few years as a computer operator. I was filled with excitement as your video played and your nostalgic giddiness brought tears of joy as I relieved the exact same experiences in my mind. Aaaah. Thank you!
Although, if you go into the specifics about how those characters are "drawn" on the screen, there's a whole world of digital goodness going on, different than text on PC monitors.
In France we had something like that called the Minitel. It was used to connect to a network called Télétel, a sort of ancestor of internet. It ended working in... 2012 :p
I had a VT320 with an LK401 until recently. It had the paper-white CRT, and saw use in my workshop for interacting with Arduino projects, Cisco routers, Raspberry Pi's, and more. Unfortunately I had to let it go when I moved. Great video, Clint! Loved it!
That intro.. a e s t h e t i c. I’m 24 and I don’t remember these, so it’s not just nostalgia that makes this terminal a cool piece of retro technology. The smooth scrolling, the keyboard clicks, the surprisingly stable monitor stand. I love it all
Nice terminal, love that Amber glow and the super smooth scrolling. It would be fun to see portal - still alive end credits running on it. Anyway, great video.
Hey LGR, just wanted to thank you for being this beautiful, calm island where I can anchor for at least a while and rest from the stormy sea my life sometimes becomes. You're awesome.
@@hobbified I have seen countless CRT's and never one with a resolution like this. Have you? It looks unreal to me even comparing it to CRT's from the late 90's. That smooth scroll helps too.
@@98Zai that kind of sharpness was normal on monochrome CRTs. It's only the color ones that tended to be lower quality, because it takes much fancier technology to make a color one look good.
You’d be surprised how many current design choices come from either just tweaking old designs or being fully inspired by them. That applies to everything, by the way. I got my associate degree in graphic design and advertising about a decade ago and a lot of graphic design in the late 00’s and early 10’s was extremely inspired by 1900-1950’s American and European design. Then everything shifted to some abomination of minimalism pushed by Apple and Google and I died inside.
This is such a beautiful thing. I'm kinda kicking myself for not grabbing a few back in the 90's when they were going to e-waste. They're just so frigging expensive on eBay these days.
I enjoyed your show because I am a fan of microcomputer technology and an end-user. It is my keyboarding or modern-day typewriting skills that enables me to learn using the microcomputer easily and effectively. I relish seeing people use the microcomputer, even though I prefer the desktop model over the smartphone and tablet computers. All the employment rejections with which I was confronted in the 1990s decade, I was led to work on a microcomputer, a color laser printer and a scanner and to learn them at my own pace, with no strings attached.
My College had a bunch of DEC, Wyze terminals for interacting with our DEC VAX system with dual 500MB hard drives. It ran our e-mail system, as well as student records and using telnet, was a window into the world of Multi User Dungeons (MUDs). What wonderful memories... My mom got a DEC terminal from her work that I helped her hook up to a modem so she could access the mainframe at work and I could also use it to dial into our local library's card catalogue system as well. Thanks for reminding me of those good times.
You should have an amber version of your intro for such occasions.
He had that intro on the Amdek 301A video.
@@und4287 yes I remember that but it was the old one
great idea!
Damn, I was gonna say the same thing!
Very true!
It's amazing how the most boring business hardware of my youth is capable to turn itself into the most fashionable vintage piece of equipment in this date and age.
could put it right alongside the turntable maybe
Very true. I'm an OG gamer, I've been playing video games since the 90s. I'm still rocking with my over 10 year old PC(BSEL modded Intel Pentium E2160, vmodded ATI HD4670 and 19'' 1280x1024 monitor). I can play AAA games like The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion/Skyrim, The Witcher 2, Mass Effect 1/2/3, Dragon Age 1/2/3 and Fallout 3/NV/TTW. Too bad I can't play Fallout 4 or The Witcher 3 because my GPU doesn't support DX11, but I can watch ''Let's play'' videos and it's almost like playing the game. I have my studio tour and gaming setup video on my channel.
Yeah, I’ve started to become hesitant to sell/recycle my hardware (laptops, tablets, smartphones) because I super regret getting rid of things like my first camera and my old Nokia.
I wish I still had my Novell Netware 3.12 server (not really).
That's one thing I found really puzzling was how supposedly "better" business computers (I mean you'd think so since they would do more important/complicated kinds of tasks) were supposed to be yet how come they typically just did plain black/green or black/amber when the Apple IIe or TI-99 4A computers in school could do full color? When our public library first got this kind of computer "card catalog" in the early 90s that too was puzzling how these brand new computers would be so primitive (plain black screen/amber text) yet the ones in my elementary school computer were older yet could do full color graphics. Didn't make any sense to me at all at the time...
7:00 That scrolling is so smooth. It doesn't even look real, like when movies or TV shows try to fake software or super-impose text on a dummy prop.
That feature is called "soft scrolling" in the setup-menu. It tends to slow things down, so most people have it switched off. I'm using a VT520 (a somewhat never version of this one) for most of my work.
It annoys me to bits even while watching!
@@SomePotato The soft-scrolling was probably meant to be used with 4800 or 9600 bauds... on faster lines it's just awkward.
There are cool things about having a real terminal though:
- Some have built-in graphics capabilities like regis or sixel (ruclips.net/video/0SasrQ7pnbA/видео.html)
- Some older programs and games use special characters to display elaborate pseudo-graphics which most terminal emulators won't display correctly
@@wuloki Yeah I kind of want a VT-330 just so I can play around with regis graphics. Though it's real hard to justify given the price of those things these days.
@@tetsujin_144 xterm can do both regis and sixel. The versions you get on a typical linux distro often don't have that enabled though, but compiling xterm yourself with the appropriate switches to ./configure is still cheaper than getting a real VT-330.
There's a definite lack of 'lazy' in your videos these days.
That intro was smooth af.
I'm still lazy so it's ok.
I hope he gets monetization credit for people watching the first 30 seconds of a video over and over again, because I know I did.
"Smooth" is the right word. That intro is "I want a VT320---now!" smooth.
The intro is soooo good.
@@TechnocratiK makes me sad, because I had a VT320, which I got rid of ages ago :'(
Man, that Amber display is amazing. I hate myself for recycling so many of these two decades ago.
I gave a bunch to a community center in the ghetto. Dunno what they did with them.
@@jn1mrgn I know of a ghetto community center that got some, they sold them to pizza hut and made a collective party with the money(ironically, buying some Pizza Hut)
Yeah my Mom trashed my Dad's old TRS-80 when they split back in '94 (probably just out of spite), but I would sure like to go back in time and stop her from doing that. Replace the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply (and any other large caps) and wherever kind of button-cell CMOS battery it had and I'd be ready for some LEGIT Frogger playing! Oh, and having a bona fide piece of computing history that might be worth $10K to the right buyer. It's crazy how worthless e-waste that we only recycle (as opposed to trashing) only because of a few hundred milligrams of precious metals might one day be a museum piece. Makes you think twice about getting rid of the stuff! That planned obsolescence is a mofo, and we all only have just so much storage space - guess we could go into our attics and start deleting stuff of questionable retention value from our /dev/attic1 to make room?
Lol indeed this is one of the most LGR-esque things you could do. Tweet from a terminal. What a time to be alive.
7:29 Tweeting and Gaming ! See who needs $8900 RGB - you got all your gaming right here ! RGB? no AMBER !
Loved the intro LGR, excellent cinematography. Great vid too..
That intro cinematography was amazing. Great job Clint, I want to see more stuff like this. You've got talent, man
For realsies, dude. For. Realsies.
I was about to say almost the same thing. Editing was solid af and was very visually pleasing. Felt like he sent the video off to a legit TV studio to be edited or something lol. Clint is killin it.
Agreed. I got chills watching that intro.
Loved the intro too
When "print screen"
actually printed the screen to a paper... :D
It still actually does! If you press it on BIOSes' text-based startup screens or MS-DOS, it still prints to LPT1: as a Generic Text Printer
@@guilherm502 interesting! I will try that soon on my Thinkpad.
What I need is for "print screen" to screen print a t-shirt of the current display
@@valshaped If you can redirect the output to a suitable printer, you can do that
exactly!!!!!
What, no ASCII-art naked women? What kind of historically-accurate BBS experience is _that_ ? :-)
9:15
HAPPINESS IS A WARM TERMINAL.
HAPPINESS IS A WARM TERMINAL.
HAPPINESS IS A WARM TERMINAL
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HAPPINESS IS A WARM TERMINAL
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SeaJay Oceans *confusion* 100
@@hamad9068 Schultz beagle?
What the HELL is going on in this little comment subsection here?
me: see this comment
also me: am i watching *****
Ok the first 10 seconds I thought I was watching a cut scene from Blade Runner or Deus Ex. Love it!
I thought the music was some Pink Floyd from The Division Bell, pretty close to era appropriate.
Same
Or Elite: Dangerous which lives and breaths amber terminals :)
@@skeezixcodejedi how is Elite Dangerous? Is been on my wish list a while now.
@@MrClawt Hard one to answer but let me say it like this -- it is a great game, and very well done; but its 'sandbox'y, but not boxed in sandbox like say GTA etc. Like, paths of advacenemnt (bear in mind, I'm a noob despite having it since launch, just trying to really get in now..) .. you can be the usual freighter, or pirate, or work on your engineering skills, ot aim for gold, or aim for acquiring lots of ships of different kidns, and/or different buildouts for each; you can work on rovering around to find minerals, or do miing of asteroids. The aliens are invading, so you can fight aliens or their scouts, or try to evac burning outposts to save the people; you can guild up and do what the guilds prioties are. etc.
So, theres a lot that can be done, but the game won't tell you to do anything; theres no levelling up per se (except engineering skills), but you don't start with a good ship or good modules for sed ship so thats where it starts..
Myself, I'd like to .. try a little of all of it; the tutorial missions will get you there. I'd really like to work on fighting the aliens and evacuating burning bases and such, that seems fun/risky :)
Graphics and audio are astounding.
I've got a VR headset, and it looks extra stunning in that, though it still controls with joy/mouse/keyb as normal, even when in VR.
*Clint's slight Duke Nukem voice*
"Mm yes, another delightful computer... thing video."
Keep it up Clint, your video quality is superb
Alcoholic Tom you know it’s sad when you read your comment and can hear Clint’s voice perfectly as you read it lol
Clint, I've always loved your videos, but I'm especially in love with this one. I'm a librarian (using the current Dynex system - Sirsi) and this takes me back. Thank you for showing some library love. This terminal brings back so many great memories!
I worked for Data Research Associates which were then selling ATLAS and LBPH library software.
That intro was AMAZING. Super retro vibes. That microchip-grid-startup-thing was incredible. Coupled with that music. Well done.
My thoughts precisely.
I used to have to service WYSE-100 terminals, which also had this amber monochrome screens. The terminal main-menu was burnt into the phosphor, and you could read the main menu on the screen, with the terminal switched off. :) Those terminals run 24/7, and every now and again, the PSU caps would die, and I would have to pull the terminal to bits and recap the PSU, and put it back in. We actually used to have about five or six WYSE-100 terminals sitting on the shelf of the workshop, so that when you got the call that one had stopped, you would swap it out with one of the already repaired ones, then bring the dead one back to the shop, fix it, and plop it on the shelf to go out when needed.
Came back here after MONTHS just to watch that intro again; that's how indelible it is.
LGR: makes a well-thought out, charming, informative video about a piece of historical tech
Me: heheh fallout new vegas
These came with a green screen too. But the previous model, the VT220, looks more like Fallout.
@@wuloki Thanks Stanley.
@@GECKman88 Who's Stanley?
@@GECKman88 Anyway, whoever Stanley is, I use those thingies on a daily basis. In my company we have the computers which went with those. They're controlling all sorts of machinery and construction robots. The computers have about 4 MB of RAM and run at roughly 10 MHz.
@@wuloki Stanley, the dude vault 101 who fixes your pip-boy up for you when you turn 10. :p
I used to work for DEC from 1978-1985 as a Sr Field Service Engineer and later as a Computer Engineer in MA
Kristyanna Virgona that’s rather cool!
Thank you for your service. No sarcasm. I appreciate it.
Maynard ? tell us something
Do you have some stories to tell?
Went to elementary school in Springfield, and using DEC terminals was my first experience of knowing what the "network" was! Your work is greatly appreciated!
Posting to twitter from a 1987 computer terminal. OMFG.
Howww??? Im confused XD
Snow Black watch the video impatient one
Terminal
Time Travel ! :-)
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@@SDKLarrabee 6:26
This gives me nightmares of converting a card catalog to database, one card at a time. I did it for a small library in 1994. They paid so much, but oooh it was boring.
LUCKY! My local library as a kid divied the task out to me and a few other adults and I think the Head Librarians son and at least us kiddos were paid in food (and access to the vending machine) and dibs on new books the library was ordering in. The adults (who definitely were being paid) were given the brunt of the task and helped us if we needed guidance, but yeah it was exceptionally boring, but it was computers so I thought it was the coolest thing I'd ever done in my life.
@@TechnicolorMammoth On the GOOD side, I also got EVERY Star Trek TOS Pocket Book...someone donated a complete collection, and they didn't want it! HAH
And yes, I loved the idea of sitting in front of a computer 12 hours a day, no problem! And a fun note, we used a program called KERMIT to connect to the University of Texas library, and the password was kermit too.
When our HS made their library computerized in the 90's, I was one of the individuals who entered card catalog data into the database, and stuck barcodes on books during my gym period. I had ankle surgery, and was assigned to library duty in lieu of gym. Fun times.
Gaming on this...mmm 1 fps, clean tho, no lag. Real smooth!
16k of RAM is all you need
i actually played a "graphical" game called tunnel. basically travelling down a tunnel avoiding the walls.
@ivanpro1126HD who wouldn't be a fan of Linux? I'll tell you who - n00bs who think VMS is better.
Actually, about 0.1562 frames per second, if we take into account that one screen in 80x24 is 1920 characters, and at 2400 baud you can do 300 characters per second. Even slower if you set it to use more columns.
@Ivinnium You can now buy pre-made linux gaming laptops, install steam directly from the app store, and install windows games right onto it. My RTX 3080 System76 Oryx Pro linux laptop is proof that linux is no longer a niche fanboy OS. Its ready for the masses, but as long as you write off comments like what @fan of leaf nation wrote, you'll miss out. Damn shame
From the beginning LGR has always had the best intros but this one is incredible. Fantastic job with the cinematography for this video man, keep it up!
I feel like he could make really dank vaporwave music videos.
it rules
Really stepping up the editing game. :-)
Unlike the DEC VT320, LGR has many fans!
It’s bloody hot in here.
Woof!
A pun without alliterations? Well, at least you tried...
yea, i'm more of a VT100 kind of guy. xD
@@bamdadkhan Which did NOT need the keyclick form the speaker but had it anyway :)
It's a real shame that Archive Dot Org doesn't have a copy of the classic Dynix library management software. If anyone still has an old server from an 1980s library please try to preserve that stuff.
Those databases from that era typically ran from ‘big iron’ (mainframes) - not a local ‘server’ in the sense that you’d have today. These were also typically shared and centrally located (so all libraries in a given region could use them via these ‘dumb terminals’). In some cases - if the software and/or database was critical enough we would sometimes port them out to mainframe emulators that ran on the equivalent of modern servers - but typically these old applications/data repos were just replaced with modern equivalents and left to die an unceremonious death in a freezing cold corner of some sad, lonely data center.
Oh man you are so taking me back to the dialup landline BBS days! Wow!
-also that lamp is very pleasing to look at!
That intro was magical...
And I love that cute "Wait" that it has in it's startup... it's like "Wait... this shit's getting started, check me out... VT320 OK!"
As a college student in the late 90s and early 2000s, I used this terminal on almost a daily basis because I was a student library worker for work study. The nostalgia is unreal!
@3:32 Man, the graphics on this new Deus Ex game look amazing.
My vision is augmented.
Yeah, but can it run Crysis? XP
That some *A E S T H E T I C* lighting at the beginning
Liked this video for the content, but also the snazzy production values.
Yeah, this is some next level LGR!
The first thing that came to mind when I saw that was "infinite wood"
The amber on black just makes me think of the computers in Portal (and yes, New Vegas)
This was a triumph!
I'm making a note here:
Huge success!
It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction.
We still use these things in VAX production environments where I work. These old terminals (and VAX/VMS systems) are hands-down some of my favorite pieces of tech to work with and enjoy. Not sure if you’ve ever done a video on OpenVMS, but that is a true gem from memory lane. Excellent production quality btw; keep doing exactly what you’re doing!
One really unfortunate thing about terminal I/O on Unix and Linux systems is that command-line applications fail to make use of the advanced features of the vt100 series, to say nothing of the vt320 series. In practice, curses, ncurses, termcap, and termio do a terrible job of supporting advanced features of DEC terminals.
VMS command-line applications routinely made use of double-height text, blinking text, and windows within the screen. WordPerfect for VMS made use of downloadable fonts on vt320 terminals: you had real italics!
My god damn jaw dropped to the floor watching you connect this thing to the internet and post to twitter. Woww..
This thing does trigger nostalgia for me. I am pretty sure my local library had one too.
As I recall the local library here used Wyse 50 terminals.
In the "Pre PC" days DEC 320's were the mainstay of most Hospital Pharmacy computing systems. The larger Hospital Pharmacies had many of these, since they were pretty multifunctional little terminals. They always seemed to have Post-It notes stuck everywhere too!
Love the Blade Runner vibe in the intro! Better than anything Ridley Scott has done lately!
My library has these until the early 2000s. Back then, you only needed your library card number to get into all your info. Reserve books, renew them, and see if you owed the library any money.
One day, I discovered that someone was one accidental key stroke away from my number, and from then on, I was always checking their stuff too. At one point, they owed my library over $500...
I'm guessing that's why modern library cards have PIN codes on them…
…or in the case of the public libraries in my area, a separate online login that uses a username and password (and the online account is linked to the physical library card or identity card number), which in turn makes OverDrive logins rather interesting because I would have to put in my username and password in place of the library card number and PIN respectively.
mattandsarahaschan Isn’t that fraud?
@@BBC600 Only if you get caught!
@@BBC600 and I didn't know. I was maybe 10 when they switched to a more modern system.
Wonder if it was me? Lol. I still have a book i "borrowed" from the library in 1998... 8yo me forgot about it and I only found the book in 2017 when my dad moved house... the library is gone now. Its a car park....
I LOVE your videos, the way you explain things and do things is very clean. Thank you for another great video!
Never owned a DEC, but the Amber Glow and your reference to Legend of the Red Dragon made me nostalgic... reminding me logging on to my local BBS on my XT with Hercules graphics hooked up to my 12" Amber monitor... ah, the good ole' days!
That intro was beautiful!!
Your video quality is excellent and your videos are so relaxing to watch Clint. Keep up the good work!
Wow I remember these at my undergrad library in the late 1990s, and when I worked there I would always help people with the usage. Great score here, and I didn't know these cost so much!
our libraries had paper cards...
"It is not a mechanical clicky keyboard" - Good. Imagine that godawful clacking in a quiet library. :(
@Coffee Fox
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That clacking is computer-great for home, but godawful for the library hehehehehe
The keyboard of that thing is called "LK-401". There's also the LK-411, which has a PS/2 connecter, so you can use it with most PCs out there.
All the keyboards of the newer VT terminals have a quite smudgy feel. A good one is the one for the VT100 terminal, but those are quite old and hard to come by. The IBM 5250 terminals also had a nice keyboard (basically an IBM model M with LOTS of extra-keys).
I love clacky keyboards. They are satisfying
Terminal keyboard makers: We can't have mechanical, it'll clack
Also terminal keyboard makers: LET'S MAKE IT CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP
The sincere nostalgia of an amber screen monitor. Takes me back and tears me up reminding me of the simple and glorious days of my youth.
It isn't just nostalgia. There was a level of refinement in the terminal, and in VMS and the application software that sat on top of it (including the command line itself), that exploited the features of DEC smart terminals in a way that was very smooth, expressive, and user-friendly. To this day, command-line applications on a UNIX or Linux system represent a definite step backward from what VMS and the DEC terminals provided.
Another underappreciated feature of the vt320 monitor was that its native font made capital letters easy on the eye.
Its like I am back in my own library circa 1994, great memories!
Yep I was going to say robco terminal lol. Next Clint show us your Pip-Boy! 😁 love the show, later everyone.
For an entire semester in college, I used a 9600bps modem and DEC VT-100 terminal (the old beige thing that looks straight out of The Forbin Project). I had sold my Mac IIci and was trying to stretch the time before the new Quadra came out. People were amazed I was able to write papers using WordStar on the VAX cluster and HP laserjets. Fun times.
Jeez,that intro it's GLORIOUS
if I wrote something bad correct me,i'm from Argentina
Just your commas and spacing, and it's "I'm" instead of "i'm". :) But to be honest, your English is better than most of Americans. XD
@@blackneos940lol
You didnt its ok english
@@hotsauwz wut?
@@imanolibanez1611 I think he meant "You didn't. Your English is OK. (good)"
why not connect it to a linux / unix machine? relive the real TTY interface
Harder than it might seem... Modern Linux systems won't provision a tty on a serial port without special configuration. Still that's what I would do with something like this... Probably would make it the main terminal for a raspberry pi.
@@travis1240 I have a heathkit terminal at my desk at work that is hooked up to my desktop just to stop the lab director from tossing it. trust me it's not that hard.
I have many happy memories of controlling my Linux computer remotely using a terminal and a very long nulmodem cable, I probably still have a few in storage
Andre van Schaijk I remember writing up a project using a VT220 connected via a terminal concentrator to the buildings central DEC Ultrix server, then printing it out on a DEC laser printer the size of a copier.
Very nice :)
Same here, set up a DEC terminal to communicate with my 486 running Debian over a serial cable. Seem to remember that i had to hack the DB9 connector to do some rewiring of the pins. the VT' came from a a redundant system used at my work (power industry). They had been used to enter work orders, spares management and purchasing at all our power stations. The system was rolled out to all remote sites and every desk had a terminal all muxed back to a VAX in head office. I do recall that there was a rudimentary email system that was only used by the more geeky employees. Slow and painful to use. In the end I remember pallet loads of these terminals gathering dust in forgotten corners of the company.
Bro most of the computers you review are much much older than me. But it's so fascinating to learn about them. And your DOS game reviews are also 👌👌👌
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Great upload as always!
I saw suggestions about new mac pro, but I am here and watching this video about a 32 years old computer... 😃
The level of effort Clint put in this one extends well beyond it's intro. The terminal was displayed in a setting that's incredibly pleasing to the eye. The soft ambient lighting matches the warm tones of the music he's provided. The screen capture in this video is delightfully crisp, the depth being so obvious, I feel like I might as well be looking at the real thing. This channel is like a fine wine, Clint. It has aged perfectly.
Ok, that terminal is incredibly aesthetic. Smooth scrolling and a quaint amber display is lovely.
Not enough jazz in the intro. Unsubbed.
Oh wait, there's farts and balls as well. Resubbed.
Our libraries had WYSE termials, with a lot of burn-in. Ah, those halcyon days. What I wouldn't give for a time-machine.
Do a long-play letsplay series of LORD. 😀
Nothing better than sitting down with a bowl of cereal in front of my retro computer to watch Clint talk about retro computers. Keep up the good stuff, dude.
You are killing it with the editing. Your videos are always welcome, no matter what they are about.
This is the exact terminal I've been looking for from my childhood, definitely picking one up now. Thanks for the video!
Ah yes I used one of these in New Vegas. Makes me thirsty for a sunset sarsaparilla.
I went through the comments just to find a FO reference to terminals. You're a cool person.
This is very exciting. That smooth scroll. Thanks for another great video LGR
Nostalgia bomb. I remember this system well. The amber glow, the beep, the keyboard sound. I used it for years. It was very satisfying. I was disappointed when the library “upgraded” to some full-color, mouse-driven GUI system. Thank you for this video. It made my day.
There are times I wish the local library would go back to something like this, but with maybe a slight bit more configuration for enlarging the characters on screen or maybe a splash of color for highlighting, but on the whole still text/keyboard centric because my eyes just kidna wash over the current cataloging system and it's like 'ok what do? This is all a jumble to me.'
Also... that smooth scrolling. Holy mary mother of christ that scrolling.
Oh! That thing about a GUI system, reminds me of when the public libraries here used "CARLWeb53" for their catalogue systems, it had a version with the library branding and all (albeit the older logo that had serif text rather than sans-serif) in the main section, but a separate version of the same system called "Kids Catalogue WEB" that didn't have library branding, but had an bit of a "robot" design with animated GIF graphics and all, accessed through Compaq (and later HP) thin clients. In the early 2010s, they ditched that for the Spydus catalogue system web interface, but along with their own separate search site that searches multiple sources. Years later, they would ditch their proprietary (I think) e-book system in favour of OverDrive. They replaced the HP Compaq thin clients with HP ProDesk desktops, and later EliteOnes.
I was just remembering my own disappointment when my library upgraded! I think it was because the card catalog terminal was its own specialized device -- it even had a bunch of the keyboard buttons replaced by brightly-painted ones with catalog-specific labels.
I guess the modern comparison would be reading an e-book on a Kindle vs an iPad: Yes, you CAN do that on either, but it's better on the device designed for that purpose.
Dynix was the operating system, basically Sequent’s multi-processor version of Unix. It wasn’t the library application, but the performance of the various Sequent servers was uniquely good for library workloads.
me: *crouches, hacking it. fails to hack it, gets locked out.*
Fallout
Hecking 100
You can just log out with one attempt left and then try hacking again, but that's just me...
That opening was so awesome, keep up the good work Clint.
We have one in my school IT lab
Along with another 2 DEC terminals
Oh my god, this terminal is 20 days older than me.
One of the best intros on RUclips that was. I like these type of computers. Growing up in 80s we used to have the old card system as seen in Ghostbusters in our school library. Loved the card system.
These were ubiquitous at every library I went to in the 1990s. Never thought I'd be titillated by them in a video 25-30 years later.
I remember playing around with those terminals when I was kid in the 80's and early 90's. I always found the amber color much more pleasant than the eye-searing green ones.
Great intro man. Keep up the creativity.
That smooth scrolling made me nerdgasm. Hard.
And so did that intro, actually. Beautiful stuff.
I've always loved LGR videos Clint, but this one is just *so* sweet! Multiple nerdgasms, all one after another at 9600bps. Your tender loving care with that well-crafted intro is much appreciated (as is the well researched and professionally presented content on this most awesome product). YOU ROCK, MAN!
Your production quality is amazing!
This one really takes me back to 1993, hanging out at the library for hours on a chat BBS connected by telnet. My first experience with the internet. I remember there being these strange things in the library menu like "Gopher" and "World Wide Web". The web wasnt very interesting at the time... not much content and was all in text on the terminal. And that smooth scrolling of text was very satisfying, and I remember trying to find a terminal program on PC to do the same thing when dialing into BBSes, but never found anything like it.
Joe The scrolling was typically done by messing with the adjustment registers in the video chip. The classic chip in PCs could only do this for the whole screen, but some alternative chips did allow smooth scrolling a "window" part of the screen so the status line could stand still. Of cause in a terminal like this, the scrolling effect would be done to whatever was specified via the DEC escape codes, and if the chosen part couldn't be smooth scrolled, it just scrolled unsmoothly and the computer wouldn't know or care.
That intro was damn near orgasmic to watch, really makes me want to go and buy a terminal now... *Opens new tab and clicks on the eBay button in the Firefox top sites page*
Ah, what a lovely terminal! And I really enjoyed the intro part.
In fact, I have no idea how many times I went back to the very beginning of the video to see the intro!
I had completely forgot about this, but used them in my daily job for a few years as a computer operator. I was filled with excitement as your video played and your nostalgic giddiness brought tears of joy as I relieved the exact same experiences in my mind. Aaaah. Thank you!
Although, if you go into the specifics about how those characters are "drawn" on the screen, there's a whole world of digital goodness going on, different than text on PC monitors.
This reminds me of the terminals my library had when I was a kid, except theirs were from WYSE instead of DEC
We can feel your love, Clint. Great episode!
In France we had something like that called the Minitel. It was used to connect to a network called Télétel, a sort of ancestor of internet. It ended working in... 2012 :p
3615 Ulla
Sweden tried to copy that and launched Teleguide in 1991. The system failed miserably and was closed down in 1993
Yep, 1200 baud at best. I used it to connect my hp48gx pocket calculator to a bbs.
I had a VT320 with an LK401 until recently. It had the paper-white CRT, and saw use in my workshop for interacting with Arduino projects, Cisco routers, Raspberry Pi's, and more. Unfortunately I had to let it go when I moved. Great video, Clint! Loved it!
Man, I could literally almost smell my old library just watching that thing boot up. The memories
Incredible intro. You are one of RUclips's best - and your voice is hollywood production quality!!
That intro.. a e s t h e t i c. I’m 24 and I don’t remember these, so it’s not just nostalgia that makes this terminal a cool piece of retro technology.
The smooth scrolling, the keyboard clicks, the surprisingly stable monitor stand. I love it all
Loved that intro. :o) Tempted to screen shot it and make it a desktop background.
Your videos are so pleasing to watch!
I loved the aesthetic you gave the terminal! It really looked futuristic for a moment
aaaaand im a kid again. mono-chrome amber NICE!!! so much better on my eyes then mono-chrome green, but green is crispy in the dark.
Nice terminal, love that Amber glow and the super smooth scrolling. It would be fun to see portal - still alive end credits running on it. Anyway, great video.
Soooooooo many memories! You're a treasure Clint, I dread the day when you upload your last video... My hope is that you'll live forever! 😄
I never thought about that :(
Lets hope lgr as a service lasts atleast 30 more years. As a person, another 60.
Love the new decoration and opening intro! A Keyboard with speakers, glowing amber display, fancy spring loaded tilt mechanism 🦄
Hey LGR, just wanted to thank you for being this beautiful, calm island where I can anchor for at least a while and rest from the stormy sea my life sometimes becomes. You're awesome.
Ok. Now we want the DECTalk to read out Harry Potter written by an AI through a DECVT320.
I worked on these for years! I loved them! I always loved DEC equipment! VAX to the MAX!
I worked on them as well back in the day. This vid was quite nostalgic.
Amazing intro!
Also, amazing display! How was that even possible in '87.
Eh, why wouldn't it have been?
@@hobbified I have seen countless CRT's and never one with a resolution like this. Have you? It looks unreal to me even comparing it to CRT's from the late 90's. That smooth scroll helps too.
@@98Zai that kind of sharpness was normal on monochrome CRTs. It's only the color ones that tended to be lower quality, because it takes much fancier technology to make a color one look good.
Honestly one of the best openings youve ever done my good man
Using VT320's was so soothing due to their warm amber glow and smooth scrolling.
3:50 now I know where "Microsoft Surface adjustable stand" design came from.
You’d be surprised how many current design choices come from either just tweaking old designs or being fully inspired by them. That applies to everything, by the way. I got my associate degree in graphic design and advertising about a decade ago and a lot of graphic design in the late 00’s and early 10’s was extremely inspired by 1900-1950’s American and European design.
Then everything shifted to some abomination of minimalism pushed by Apple and Google and I died inside.
Thing of beauty!!! Joy forever!!! [cit. Dave EEVblog]
I'd totally buy one of these if in good condition!
This is such a beautiful thing. I'm kinda kicking myself for not grabbing a few back in the 90's when they were going to e-waste. They're just so frigging expensive on eBay these days.
I enjoyed your show because I am a fan of microcomputer technology and an end-user. It is my keyboarding or modern-day typewriting skills that enables me to learn using the microcomputer easily and effectively. I relish seeing people use the microcomputer, even though I prefer the desktop model over the smartphone and tablet computers. All the employment rejections with which I was confronted in the 1990s decade, I was led to work on a microcomputer, a color laser printer and a scanner and to learn them at my own pace, with no strings attached.
My College had a bunch of DEC, Wyze terminals for interacting with our DEC VAX system with dual 500MB hard drives. It ran our e-mail system, as well as student records and using telnet, was a window into the world of Multi User Dungeons (MUDs). What wonderful memories... My mom got a DEC terminal from her work that I helped her hook up to a modem so she could access the mainframe at work and I could also use it to dial into our local library's card catalogue system as well. Thanks for reminding me of those good times.